1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,613 Speaker 1: from News Talks at. 3 00:00:11,653 --> 00:00:16,333 Speaker 2: Be Good a Jack voyeuristic titillation. We have developed a 4 00:00:16,413 --> 00:00:22,693 Speaker 2: voracious appetite for the ugly and inane, says Anne. Great words, 5 00:00:22,693 --> 00:00:26,853 Speaker 2: and yeah, I can't disagree with that at all, Neil, 6 00:00:26,853 --> 00:00:29,933 Speaker 2: says Jack. Let he who is without sindcast the first stone. 7 00:00:29,933 --> 00:00:32,453 Speaker 2: A hypocrites abound. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there are 8 00:00:32,453 --> 00:00:34,373 Speaker 2: plenty of hypocrites who have been delighting in it all. 9 00:00:34,413 --> 00:00:37,893 Speaker 2: I just I think what's amazing about the information age 10 00:00:38,133 --> 00:00:41,133 Speaker 2: is whereas in the past, you know, people of course 11 00:00:41,213 --> 00:00:43,853 Speaker 2: had you know, incidents in public in which they were shamed, 12 00:00:43,893 --> 00:00:49,053 Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes quite deliberately, sometimes as a purposeful punishment, 13 00:00:49,573 --> 00:00:51,733 Speaker 2: you know, being locked in the old stocks and pelted 14 00:00:51,773 --> 00:00:54,173 Speaker 2: with fruit in that kind of thing. But the thing 15 00:00:54,293 --> 00:00:57,333 Speaker 2: about virality, the thing about the spread on the Internet, 16 00:00:57,533 --> 00:01:00,013 Speaker 2: is that there's just there's nothing you do. Once it 17 00:01:00,093 --> 00:01:04,493 Speaker 2: kicks off, it's gone. And where as you might think, oh, 18 00:01:04,693 --> 00:01:07,213 Speaker 2: they kind of deserve it this time, what's to say 19 00:01:07,213 --> 00:01:09,693 Speaker 2: that the next time there's a viral moment where someone 20 00:01:09,733 --> 00:01:13,413 Speaker 2: preps you think doesn't deserve to have their names splashed 21 00:01:13,453 --> 00:01:19,013 Speaker 2: around the world. You know, experiences the same consequences ninety 22 00:01:19,013 --> 00:01:20,413 Speaker 2: two ninety two. If you want to send us a 23 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:23,133 Speaker 2: message this morning, eighteen past nine and Kevin Milner's alea 24 00:01:23,213 --> 00:01:24,493 Speaker 2: us today to Kevin. 25 00:01:24,973 --> 00:01:27,093 Speaker 3: Heck you got to Jack. I remember a time in 26 00:01:27,253 --> 00:01:32,133 Speaker 3: TV when if you're going out to film somewhere that 27 00:01:32,293 --> 00:01:34,973 Speaker 3: had a large crowd, And I'm thinking of race meetings 28 00:01:35,453 --> 00:01:38,533 Speaker 3: where we used to go out and mainly you'd film 29 00:01:38,613 --> 00:01:42,773 Speaker 3: the big race, but you would also get shots of crowds. 30 00:01:43,853 --> 00:01:48,653 Speaker 3: You would never film people close enough so that they 31 00:01:48,733 --> 00:01:55,013 Speaker 3: were recognizably at the meeting. Ah, And I wonder what's 32 00:01:55,093 --> 00:01:58,173 Speaker 3: happened to those sort of laws you mentioned suing the 33 00:01:58,293 --> 00:02:01,653 Speaker 3: producers of the show or you know about coldplay or 34 00:02:01,693 --> 00:02:06,133 Speaker 3: whoever it is. Yeah, I wonder whether there's any law 35 00:02:06,533 --> 00:02:14,933 Speaker 3: about intrusion of that sort. Yeah, I definitely remember were 36 00:02:15,493 --> 00:02:19,413 Speaker 3: on live show, on live coverage of race meetings, for example, 37 00:02:19,813 --> 00:02:22,893 Speaker 3: the cameras would stick very wide on the on the crowds. 38 00:02:23,493 --> 00:02:26,653 Speaker 3: So the very reason that somebody might be in that 39 00:02:26,853 --> 00:02:28,133 Speaker 3: shot that shouldn't be in the. 40 00:02:28,173 --> 00:02:30,693 Speaker 2: Shot, I don't know. I mean, I think in New 41 00:02:30,773 --> 00:02:34,773 Speaker 2: Zealand we have like public space, you know, filming rules. 42 00:02:34,773 --> 00:02:37,933 Speaker 2: I mean, you know in that video having seen it 43 00:02:37,973 --> 00:02:39,573 Speaker 2: a few times now, I mean they were they were 44 00:02:39,613 --> 00:02:42,733 Speaker 2: smiling and all happy one moment when they had a 45 00:02:42,733 --> 00:02:44,893 Speaker 2: problem with the video until the camera was turned on them. 46 00:02:44,853 --> 00:02:45,013 Speaker 3: You know. 47 00:02:45,213 --> 00:02:48,293 Speaker 2: So yeah, sure, But I also wonder if the you know, 48 00:02:48,373 --> 00:02:51,333 Speaker 2: the nature of us all having smartphones and cameras in 49 00:02:51,373 --> 00:02:53,933 Speaker 2: our pockets, powerful cameras in our pockets, has meant that actually, 50 00:02:54,933 --> 00:02:57,333 Speaker 2: you know, just generally privacy when it comes to videos 51 00:02:57,453 --> 00:03:00,093 Speaker 2: isn't what it once was. That the kind of societal 52 00:03:00,173 --> 00:03:03,413 Speaker 2: expectations there have changed. But there's a very good point, sure, Yeah. 53 00:03:03,493 --> 00:03:05,373 Speaker 3: And after all, it is only just a bit of fun, 54 00:03:05,453 --> 00:03:08,093 Speaker 3: and it's sort of like competition, isn't it really You 55 00:03:08,173 --> 00:03:11,093 Speaker 3: get it at all the rugby matches. Yeah, couples together. 56 00:03:11,413 --> 00:03:14,973 Speaker 3: But it's a slightly it's a slightly dangerous practice. 57 00:03:15,173 --> 00:03:17,813 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's real. It's been a kind of fascinating 58 00:03:18,173 --> 00:03:23,333 Speaker 2: anthropological exercise, this whole thing. Anyway, Kevin, you're saddened by 59 00:03:23,333 --> 00:03:26,093 Speaker 2: the closing of a retailer that you have never actually 60 00:03:26,213 --> 00:03:26,973 Speaker 2: been inside. 61 00:03:27,733 --> 00:03:30,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're becoming anewer, aren't we. To the announcements of 62 00:03:31,173 --> 00:03:35,093 Speaker 3: Kiwi Enterprises closing down for reasons none other than the 63 00:03:35,413 --> 00:03:38,773 Speaker 3: trading environment's got too tough. But the businesses that are 64 00:03:38,893 --> 00:03:42,373 Speaker 3: now closing down seem to me increasingly those you'd have 65 00:03:42,493 --> 00:03:46,893 Speaker 3: backed as winners rather than losers. Restaurants, for example, since 66 00:03:46,933 --> 00:03:50,653 Speaker 3: some of them. I'm sadden to hear that Madikan ceramics 67 00:03:50,733 --> 00:03:54,973 Speaker 3: firm Morrison James is calling it quits. We had three 68 00:03:55,093 --> 00:03:58,733 Speaker 3: of their huge outlaw pots and a bird bath with 69 00:03:58,973 --> 00:04:03,373 Speaker 3: Morrison James striking glaze all over them. I love their 70 00:04:03,453 --> 00:04:05,933 Speaker 3: ceramics because they haven't got maide in China or made 71 00:04:05,973 --> 00:04:09,613 Speaker 3: in Vietnam on them. They're really strongly kiw. I love 72 00:04:09,653 --> 00:04:12,133 Speaker 3: them because there are no two that are exactly the same. 73 00:04:12,533 --> 00:04:15,253 Speaker 3: You might buy a pair that from a distance seems 74 00:04:15,253 --> 00:04:18,773 Speaker 3: the same, but they're not there, made by artists, not machines. 75 00:04:19,453 --> 00:04:22,813 Speaker 3: Then there's the classy Morrison James metal stamp on them. 76 00:04:23,053 --> 00:04:24,733 Speaker 3: If you've got one, you'll know what I'm talking about, 77 00:04:25,093 --> 00:04:30,093 Speaker 3: proudly stating that they're from Matakana, New Zealand, which is 78 00:04:30,133 --> 00:04:33,813 Speaker 3: actually somewhere I've never been to. We buy online or 79 00:04:34,053 --> 00:04:39,133 Speaker 3: via our local furniture short store. There's been a phenomenal experience. Well, 80 00:04:39,173 --> 00:04:43,413 Speaker 3: it would be to walk through the Morrison James Northland Factory. 81 00:04:43,773 --> 00:04:47,933 Speaker 3: We've only wandered through their website and that's uplifting enough, 82 00:04:48,333 --> 00:04:51,173 Speaker 3: and I recommend people do that. But once they're current 83 00:04:51,253 --> 00:04:53,693 Speaker 3: supplies of clay used up, it will be all over. 84 00:04:54,493 --> 00:04:58,653 Speaker 3: Well they've left themselves are very slight out. I heard 85 00:04:58,693 --> 00:05:02,253 Speaker 3: the owners saying that if a generous investor where they 86 00:05:02,333 --> 00:05:04,853 Speaker 3: decide they wanted to be part of a wonderful operation 87 00:05:05,053 --> 00:05:07,893 Speaker 3: and a wonderful bet of the country that happily keep 88 00:05:07,973 --> 00:05:12,893 Speaker 3: its colorful heart beating. I wholeheartedly recommend that if you 89 00:05:13,093 --> 00:05:16,213 Speaker 3: like color in your garden, at least by something online. 90 00:05:16,333 --> 00:05:19,933 Speaker 3: Now to remember Morrison James, as we found with the 91 00:05:20,293 --> 00:05:23,533 Speaker 3: stunning bird bath that I bought London for Christmas. Their 92 00:05:23,613 --> 00:05:27,693 Speaker 3: work arives at your door, superbly packed. Who knows if 93 00:05:27,853 --> 00:05:30,933 Speaker 3: enough of us invest in something special for around the house, 94 00:05:31,293 --> 00:05:35,813 Speaker 3: the unique Morrison James ceramics of Matticana might live on. 95 00:05:36,813 --> 00:05:37,533 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. 96 00:05:37,733 --> 00:05:40,013 Speaker 2: It is really sad news, isn't it, Because they'd make 97 00:05:40,013 --> 00:05:42,853 Speaker 2: it incredible, Like the really lean into the color, don't they. 98 00:05:42,893 --> 00:05:46,013 Speaker 2: There's a real kind of splendor to their color of 99 00:05:46,053 --> 00:05:49,093 Speaker 2: their designs. Yeah, And to be honest, I'm a bit 100 00:05:49,213 --> 00:05:52,333 Speaker 2: surprised because I feel like ceramics are having a moment, 101 00:05:52,933 --> 00:05:55,253 Speaker 2: don't we feel like that? I sort of feel like 102 00:05:55,333 --> 00:05:57,733 Speaker 2: pottery in the last cup five years and ceramics, and 103 00:05:57,973 --> 00:06:00,173 Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of going through a little little 104 00:06:00,213 --> 00:06:04,093 Speaker 2: boom period. And just curious that a Kiwi firm, you know, 105 00:06:04,373 --> 00:06:06,893 Speaker 2: is preps finding it a pretty trick at the moment. 106 00:06:07,853 --> 00:06:09,493 Speaker 3: You don't have to buy a great big pot like 107 00:06:09,573 --> 00:06:13,733 Speaker 3: we have. They sell gorgeous jugs and right about every 108 00:06:13,853 --> 00:06:16,813 Speaker 3: color you can think of, and they're superb. 109 00:06:17,093 --> 00:06:19,013 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is very good. Okay, that's a good little 110 00:06:19,053 --> 00:06:21,053 Speaker 2: gift suggestion too. And like you said, yeah, I suppose 111 00:06:21,093 --> 00:06:24,773 Speaker 2: to get running the risk of becoming collectors additions very soon. 112 00:06:25,653 --> 00:06:27,733 Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Kevin. Yeah, it is a shame. And 113 00:06:27,773 --> 00:06:30,973 Speaker 2: you've never been to Matakana, never been to Madicana. 114 00:06:31,253 --> 00:06:32,853 Speaker 3: No love to go there. 115 00:06:32,973 --> 00:06:34,333 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you have to put it on the list. 116 00:06:34,373 --> 00:06:37,733 Speaker 2: It's very it's very fancy these days. That's where all 117 00:06:37,813 --> 00:06:39,253 Speaker 2: of the well to do is like to head up 118 00:06:39,293 --> 00:06:41,053 Speaker 2: there for the weekend, go and check out the market, 119 00:06:41,173 --> 00:06:41,333 Speaker 2: you know. 120 00:06:42,533 --> 00:06:44,493 Speaker 3: Yeah, we can go on tours of the factory. I 121 00:06:44,533 --> 00:06:46,733 Speaker 3: think the Miles and James Statory. I'm here, I am 122 00:06:46,853 --> 00:06:49,133 Speaker 3: thinking that Madicana is attainly a little place that's got 123 00:06:49,173 --> 00:06:51,813 Speaker 3: a big, huge ceramic statuary, but I'm certain it's got 124 00:06:51,853 --> 00:06:53,213 Speaker 3: loads of other great things as well. 125 00:06:53,373 --> 00:06:55,733 Speaker 2: Plenty of attractions in Matacana. So the next time, yeah, 126 00:06:56,173 --> 00:06:58,653 Speaker 2: around the nine, you have to make sure you carve 127 00:06:58,693 --> 00:07:00,133 Speaker 2: out an afternoon and go and have a bit of 128 00:07:00,173 --> 00:07:03,053 Speaker 2: a look. Kevin, Hey, thank you for that, and thanks 129 00:07:03,093 --> 00:07:05,333 Speaker 2: for drawing it to our attention. If there are any 130 00:07:05,453 --> 00:07:08,253 Speaker 2: generous benefit, was listening right now? Who'd like to invest? 131 00:07:08,693 --> 00:07:11,373 Speaker 2: Like I say, ceramics are having a bit of a moment. Hey, 132 00:07:11,413 --> 00:07:14,653 Speaker 2: thanks for your text this morning. Heaps the messages regarding 133 00:07:14,693 --> 00:07:17,933 Speaker 2: the Coldplay couple. Jack I disagreed. The damage is done. 134 00:07:18,053 --> 00:07:20,773 Speaker 2: The CEO should sue. He should ramp up the rhetoric, 135 00:07:20,933 --> 00:07:22,693 Speaker 2: keep the beast rolling and then write a book. At 136 00:07:22,773 --> 00:07:25,133 Speaker 2: least make a buck out of the whole experience, says 137 00:07:25,733 --> 00:07:29,493 Speaker 2: Shane Jack. Things will always go viral on social media. 138 00:07:29,533 --> 00:07:31,773 Speaker 2: What I found disconcerting with the Coldplay cam is how 139 00:07:31,813 --> 00:07:34,413 Speaker 2: the news around the world and the mainstream news media 140 00:07:34,453 --> 00:07:36,653 Speaker 2: have weighed in and amplified it. Isn't that where the 141 00:07:36,693 --> 00:07:38,853 Speaker 2: problem lies, says Mark. I think it all is kind 142 00:07:38,893 --> 00:07:40,213 Speaker 2: of speaking to the same phenomenon. 143 00:07:40,573 --> 00:07:40,773 Speaker 3: Mark. 144 00:07:40,813 --> 00:07:42,893 Speaker 2: I mean, I logged and I was on the BBC 145 00:07:43,573 --> 00:07:46,373 Speaker 2: BBC yesterday and it was like, you know, like story 146 00:07:46,453 --> 00:07:50,133 Speaker 2: number one, Gaza, story number two, Donald Trump and the 147 00:07:50,813 --> 00:07:54,973 Speaker 2: head of the Federal Reserve having a tiff, Story number 148 00:07:55,173 --> 00:07:58,613 Speaker 2: three or four, the coldplay Kescam, and I was like, Okay, 149 00:07:58,893 --> 00:08:01,413 Speaker 2: we're really you know, even the BBC's really covering the 150 00:08:01,453 --> 00:08:04,493 Speaker 2: gamut of stories here. And look, I mean, I can't 151 00:08:04,893 --> 00:08:07,133 Speaker 2: criticize anyone here. I am talking the whole thing. But 152 00:08:07,213 --> 00:08:09,613 Speaker 2: at this think it speaks to the kind of you know, 153 00:08:10,013 --> 00:08:11,773 Speaker 2: like we wouldn't be talking about it unless it was 154 00:08:11,813 --> 00:08:14,733 Speaker 2: a perfectly encaptured little you know, if unless that five 155 00:08:14,813 --> 00:08:18,573 Speaker 2: second video didn't tell a much richer story, right, And 156 00:08:18,613 --> 00:08:21,253 Speaker 2: there's something about human nature where we just want to 157 00:08:21,933 --> 00:08:24,053 Speaker 2: laugh and share and laugh and sheer and laugh and share. 158 00:08:24,133 --> 00:08:26,613 Speaker 2: The Internet allows us to do that so quickly. But 159 00:08:26,733 --> 00:08:29,013 Speaker 2: I can imagine that the you know, the impacts are 160 00:08:29,013 --> 00:08:29,853 Speaker 2: pretty significant. 161 00:08:30,613 --> 00:08:33,693 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 162 00:08:33,773 --> 00:08:36,973 Speaker 1: to News Talks' b from nine Am, saturday or follow 163 00:08:37,013 --> 00:08:38,533 Speaker 1: the podcast On. iHeartRadio