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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Or it's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duper c Ellen Drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected and news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be good afternoon six after four. Great to have

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Speaker 2: your company coming up on the show. The Bell's screening

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Speaker 2: program changes. There are two of them. One is extending

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Speaker 2: and one is pulling back. We'll look at the numbers.

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Speaker 2: How many lives can you save and how many do

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Speaker 2: you lose from making these changes. Phil Goff's been fired.

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Speaker 2: Greg Fororan has hit the eject button on his job.

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Speaker 2: We'll look at both of these, and how many times

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Speaker 2: per hour do you think you pick up your cell phone?

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Bryan Bridge. So Winston Peters has made

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Speaker 2: things pretty darn clear for anyone representing our interests abroad.

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Speaker 2: If you insult Donald Trump, you're fire.

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Speaker 4: Get the hell out of here, you're fired.

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Speaker 2: The sacking half in this afternoon. So it's possible that

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Speaker 2: Phil Goff is sleeping right now, not even aware that

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Speaker 2: frantic mystic calls from Helen. She's leaped to his defense.

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Speaker 2: This is a thin excuse for sacking a respected man,

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Speaker 2: She says, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But the

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Speaker 2: fact is that what Goff said was stupid and is

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Speaker 2: actually quite serious. Here's why he was basically big Noting

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Speaker 2: at this Chathamhouse Chardonnay event in London, he asks a

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Speaker 2: the question, which is comparing the nineteen thirty eight Munich

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Speaker 2: On the face of it, that doesn't sound that bad,

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Speaker 2: the context here is everything. Trump has very thin skin.

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Speaker 2: We know this. He doesn't like being insulted, and when

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Speaker 2: Our primary sector has battled tooth and nail very hard

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Speaker 2: This week, Donald Trump promised to put tariffs on all

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Speaker 2: So when a representative of that same government insults him,

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Speaker 2: implying he doesn't know his history, it matters. Phil Goff

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Speaker 2: Commerce Commission to stop messing around and just ban card

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Speaker 2: payment surcharges. They must annoy you when you go shopping.

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Speaker 2: Card payment surcharges are those annoying extra payments that you

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Speaker 2: Hi Jessica, Hi there. You mentioned that you guys have

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Speaker 5: So most of the complaints we're getting are about just

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Speaker 5: the percentage of the surcharge. Our advice is anything above

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Speaker 2: Twenty percent. How many people have been charged twenty percent?

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Speaker 5: So these tend to be you know, when you go

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Speaker 2: At the moment. The rules, well, they're just guidelines, aren't they,

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Speaker 5: So the guidelines say that they should not be excessive,

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Speaker 5: But you're absolutely right because as guidelines, there's really nothing

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Speaker 2: So the Commerce Commission wants to lower the interchange fees,

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Speaker 2: but you want them just banned out, right, isn't it

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Speaker 5: So the interchange fees and the surcharges are quite separate.

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Speaker 5: So the interchange fees is what's being consulted on right now.

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Speaker 5: So that's the payments that their retailers are incurring. So

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Speaker 2: So you want so how would this work? So the

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Speaker 2: you're wanting the surcharge band. But would that not then

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Speaker 5: Yes, So what's happening now, So the consultation on the

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Speaker 2: I would have thought and get in touch with me.

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Speaker 2: We will pay either way. I mean, if the if

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Speaker 2: at some point we lose, don't we We're always the loser.

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Speaker 2: ZB News Talks ITB. It is seventeen minutes after four

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Speaker 2: loads of texts coming in on two things. On the

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Speaker 2: of you are saying, yeah, that's great, but a number

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Speaker 2: of you are saying, why are we sucking up to Trump?

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Speaker 2: Like you know, we're basically bending over it and taking

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Speaker 6: I eventually crawled into the scratch and till in the

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Speaker 2: because obviously Cycling Elfred is coming. It's been delayed a

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Speaker 6: Oh, the Reds are over here because they're playing on

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Speaker 2: Are they going to some of them going?

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Speaker 6: Well, some of them will. I'd suggest. You know, you're

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Speaker 6: And that's much bigger than a game of rugby. And

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Speaker 2: Around from it. From a rules perspective, could they are

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Speaker 2: they would they be within their rights to just pull

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Speaker 6: That's a really good question. And believe that Jack Messly

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Speaker 8: He'd be.

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Speaker 9: You've told me.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, twenty five minutes away from five news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be coming your way up to five. We're going

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Speaker 2: There you go, Here's what Winston Peters had to say.

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Speaker 2: They'd be drive cyclone Alfred will arrive in Australia, but

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Speaker 2: Prov Finally, this afternoon, tensions between the US and Canada

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Speaker 8: Thanks, Ryanire, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: So we better start the cyclone. What is the latest here?

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I heard you say there Friday night, Saturday morning.

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Speaker 8: it's now under Alban Easy labor has boosted the defense

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Speaker 16: Hell it was.

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Speaker 8: The retail figures for January came in this week and

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Speaker 8: they weren't too bad. I just forget the exact figure.

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Speaker 8: But look, there's been some economic news this week. The

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Speaker 8: National accounts figures were about where Labor expected. So labor's

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Speaker 8: heading into an election. It could be called this week

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Speaker 8: as well. Anthony Albanezi, you know, he says, I'm not

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Speaker 8: talking about election speculation. I'm spending the next the next

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Speaker 8: few days working out of the National Situation Room as

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Speaker 8: we monitor the cyclone. I mean, looks good for the

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Speaker 8: cameras and but it wouldn't surprise me to see him

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Speaker 8: go to the Governor General on Sunday at Gordon an election.

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Speaker 8: There's lots of you know, point to this and then

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Speaker 8: you know the polls out that flash for Labor, but

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Speaker 8: it's only fifty one to forty nine two party preferred.

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Speaker 8: Peter Dutton remains deeply unpopular. Labor comport to an interest

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Speaker 8: rate cut and say well there's more on the way,

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Speaker 8: even though they have no idea there's more on the way.

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Speaker 8: There's a bunch of different things. Both sides have pledged

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Speaker 8: billions of dollars in spending. Not sure where the cash

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Speaker 8: is coming from. But certainly labor's on the ball with childcare,

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Speaker 8: with with pay rises for the lowest paid. These are

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Speaker 8: the people working in aged care. For God's sake, they

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Speaker 8: take over forty bucks an hour, some of them much

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Speaker 8: less than that, and that's it's just not a good

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Speaker 8: thing for the economy when so many people are getting older.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to need someone looking up to me.

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Speaker 2: I'll come over Murray. Hey, you're a good man, just quickly.

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Speaker 2: If the storm is really bad, he can't call on Sunday, Kenny,

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Speaker 2: I mean that will be well surely.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know we're still like April twelve, we're still

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Speaker 8: over a month away. It's going to be hard to campaign, obviously,

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Speaker 8: but it's a big country. You might have to miss

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Speaker 8: out in south east Queensland for a bit, but there's

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Speaker 8: plenty of Victorian seats they need to prop up, plenty

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Speaker 8: of New South Wales and it's in Sydney's West as well.

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Speaker 8: Perth remains very very much live, but all the intelligence

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Speaker 8: is pointing to a very strong performance from the Teals

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Speaker 8: over here. The Independents who say they're not aligned, but

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Speaker 8: bore they are, and it could very much be a

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Speaker 8: minority government. Not sure which side's going to have the

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Speaker 8: biggest handicats.

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Speaker 2: Murray Old's are Australia correspondent, Thanks for that. Sixteen away

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Speaker 2: from five News talks they'd be and Barry Soper is next.

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Speaker 1: Politics was centric credit, check your US and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Sim In Brown Live after five, fourteen to five. Now

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Speaker 2: Barry Soper, Senior Political correspondent, Very good, afternoon, afternoon. Right,

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Speaker 2: you've come with the receipts on GoF, you've got the clips,

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Speaker 2: you've got the audio for it.

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Speaker 4: Or Old phil Ay just can't keep his trap shut

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Speaker 4: and that really is a problem for an ambassador when

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Speaker 4: well he's the High Commissioner, but nevertheless he is the

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Speaker 4: top diplomat that we've got in Britain. You know, he

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Speaker 4: was at an event at Chatham House and the old

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Speaker 4: Chatham House rules clearly did it in the play, which

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Speaker 4: is a bit of a pity really for him. But

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Speaker 4: basically the video shows Golf speaking at an event there

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Speaker 4: with Finland's foreign minister. It was a panel and during

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Speaker 4: the Q and A the two were discussing how Finland

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Speaker 4: kept peace on its border with Russia. Now this is

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Speaker 4: how phil Goff effectively finished his career as a diplomat.

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Speaker 4: Asking a question of the uncomfortable Finnish politician phil Golf,

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Speaker 4: New Zealand High Commissioner, I was rereading Churchill's speech to the.

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Speaker 3: House of Commons in nineteen thirty eight after the Munich Agreement,

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Speaker 3: and he turned to Chamberlain. He said, you had the

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Speaker 3: choice between war and dishonor you chose dishgnor yet you

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Speaker 3: will have war. President Trump has restored the bust of

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Speaker 3: Churchill to the Oval Office. But do you think he

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Speaker 3: really understands history.

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Speaker 17: I will limit myself to saying that in this time,

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Speaker 17: and I did it myself. I quoted Sir Winston Churchill,

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Speaker 17: and I think he has made very timeless remarks.

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Speaker 4: Well, there was a diplomatic answer, so little did she

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Speaker 4: realize just how timeless it was going to be fulfilled

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Speaker 4: Golf which he made those remarks. The thing is that

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Speaker 4: that bust has been restored to the Oval Office, and

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Speaker 4: it's Churchill, in his military fatigue when he went to

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Speaker 4: come to see Roosevelt during the Second World War, and

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Speaker 4: of course to Lensky, got told off for not getting

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Speaker 4: exactly so there's an irony there. But Helen Clark said

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Speaker 4: that she thought it was a very thin excuse for

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Speaker 4: second phil Goff. But look, I'm sorry, if you're a diplomat,

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Speaker 4: you can say that. As a politician maybe maybe get

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Speaker 4: away with it as Chris of consent, But when you're

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Speaker 4: dealing with somebody like Donald Trump whose ultra sensitive.

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Speaker 2: And you've got tariffs coming at you like bullets.

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Speaker 4: Precisely, and this is not if Donald Trump takes any

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Speaker 4: notice of this, which he probably won't, but if he did,

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Speaker 4: then New Zealand could be in a better position that

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Speaker 4: might otherwise have been. And that we look Philly strong.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you kept jokes like that from diplomats who are

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Speaker 2: representing our government, not themselves, playing fast and loose with

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Speaker 2: our bread and but I can't do it. You can't

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Speaker 2: do it. Now. The Crown account is going to say sorry.

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Speaker 4: Winston Peters because he said it wasn't an easy decision

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Speaker 4: for him to make.

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Speaker 11: If he had made that comment about Germany, France, Tomra

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Speaker 11: or Summer, I'd have been forced to act in this

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Speaker 11: seriously regretabook one of the most difficult things once had

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Speaker 11: to do in the whole career with phill Golf, and

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Speaker 11: none of them for a long time I've worked in

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Speaker 11: government with them. It's just seriously disappointing.

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Speaker 4: What has to make See, the thing is that Winston

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Speaker 4: Peters did get on quite well with so it probably

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Speaker 4: was hard. I think he should have to go with

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Speaker 4: Mallard and we all have been happy in Ireland.

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Speaker 2: Well not less. Mallard knows when to shut up.

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Speaker 4: Well, he hasn't said seen anything since he's been exactly.

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Speaker 2: He knows he's onto the good wicked exactly. Keep quite

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Speaker 2: keep thinking, Guinness. Now the Crown accounts actually quite positive.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's it's good.

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Speaker 4: Finally we've seen some good news. But then they're based

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Speaker 4: on treasury predictions that we had last year and we

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Speaker 4: know how accurate they are, and it allows the politics

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Speaker 4: to crow about it. But the thing that I really

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Speaker 4: do like about these accounts is that tax revenue for

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Speaker 4: the seven months of the fiscal year to the end

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Speaker 4: of January up by more than seventy billion dollars. And

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Speaker 4: that's that's high, and it just goes to show that

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Speaker 4: business is starting to rebound, if you like. It's six

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Speaker 4: hundred million higher than forecast and GST is also up

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Speaker 4: quite considerably, so people are out there spending a bit more,

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Speaker 4: and if these figures can be built on New Zealand,

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Speaker 4: hopefully will finally have turned the corner with Adrian or

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Speaker 4: not being about to interfere in things.

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Speaker 2: I just had to add to add.

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Speaker 4: That in there.

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Speaker 2: You had to get that in there. Yep, brilliant. Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much. Great to see you as always. Barry Soper,

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Speaker 2: senior political correspondent with us here on news Talk ZEB.

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Speaker 2: It's just gone nine minutes away from five I mean

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Speaker 2: Brown on boll cancer screening after five o'clock. Also, we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk to Morris Williamson. He was a former

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Speaker 2: consul general in Los Angeles. This is about the Winston

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Speaker 2: Peters sacking, fell goth saga, that's what you want to

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Speaker 2: call it. And a little later after five o'clock, there's

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Speaker 2: new data out. How many times are you packing up

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Speaker 2: your device, your phone or your kindle or whatever. How

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Speaker 2: many times do you think you were doing that per hour?

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Speaker 2: I was quite shocked when I heard this number. I'll

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Speaker 2: let you know shortly. News Talk said, be.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 10: Adrian Nor's departure seemingly coming out of nowhere, former Reserve

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Speaker 10: Bank senior staff for Jeff mortalote.

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Speaker 18: With us as he packed us said he appears to

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Speaker 18: have with.

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Speaker 14: No apparent reason for it.

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Speaker 10: Could we read into it that the funding debate between

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Speaker 10: the government and the board at the moment might have

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Speaker 10: something to.

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Speaker 14: Do that That would be a reasonable interpretation. I think

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Speaker 14: the understanding I have is there have been tensions between

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Speaker 14: the Reserve Bank and the Minister over the funding the negotiations,

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Speaker 14: and that wouldn't surprise me given how much the budget

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Speaker 14: has increased, just how much they have been spending in

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Speaker 14: the last seven years under Asi.

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Speaker 10: And all back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking

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Speaker 10: Breakfast with the Rain drove the laugh News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Five away from five. Great to have you compley this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: I've been a little dismayed at David Seymour in the

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Speaker 2: past couple of days. Have you been following this the

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Speaker 2: school lunch thing? And I actually said the other day

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Speaker 2: we should ban the word school lunch, free school lunches

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Speaker 2: because we've talked about it way too much, so I

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Speaker 2: won't even I shouldn't have I shouldn't have ever mentioned it.

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Speaker 2: That's my mistake. Anyway, they were supposed to have a

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Speaker 2: meeting to help sort out the issue, and the meeting

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Speaker 2: still hasn't happened. And I just get the sense from

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Speaker 2: watching David Seymour that he thinks he's a little bit

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Speaker 2: above meeting with Erica Stanford, because he said and in

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Speaker 2: his stand up he said, oh, no, I've met with

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister about this, and you know, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: many other ministers have interests, but I've met with the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, which to me says, you know what, I'm

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Speaker 2: dealing with your boss and I'm too important for you,

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Speaker 2: which I don't think is necessarily the right attitude to have.

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Speaker 2: Just go on. Four minutes away from five Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: So coming up after five, we're looking at bowel screening

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Speaker 2: and the number here that's most important because they've made

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Speaker 2: a change. They're canceling one program, they are extending another program.

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Speaker 2: The one they're extending is universal, so everyone can get

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Speaker 2: the free bow screening cancer screening done and the age

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Speaker 2: will drop from sixty down to fifty eight. How many

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Speaker 2: lives do you save by doing that? How much does

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Speaker 2: it cost you? And how does that compare to the

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Speaker 2: program that you've cut. How many lives are you going

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Speaker 2: to save from the program that you've cut all of

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Speaker 2: those questions for Simeon Brown Plus will take a look

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Speaker 2: at Phil Goff after news News Talks, they'd be.

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Speaker 19: We're never of four, We're never up, we never up.

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Speaker 19: The finger of blade has turned to yourself more. We

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Speaker 19: to of myself, my prison, need my help, money.

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Speaker 11: Never.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Brian Bridge on hither duplessy allan drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected News talks at

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Speaker 1: be Good Evening at.

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Speaker 2: A seven after five News Talks b we get to

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Speaker 2: fill golf sacking in just a second. Right now everyone

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Speaker 2: can get free bell cancer screening two years earlier. The

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Speaker 2: age has been progressively loud from sixty down to fifty eight.

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Speaker 2: But the money is coming from free screening that's set

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Speaker 2: aside exclusively for Marty and Pacifica. They can be screened

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Speaker 2: for free from the age of fifty. Simon Brown is

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Speaker 2: the health minister, Minister, Good Evening, Good Evening. So you've

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Speaker 2: said you're going to save one hundred and seventy eight

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Speaker 2: extra lives over twenty five years because of this change.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 13: That is correct.

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Speaker 20: By lowering the age for all New Zealanders down to

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Speaker 20: the age of fifty eight, that will make a bigger

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Speaker 20: difference and save more lives than just lowering it to

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Speaker 20: fifty for Marty and Pacifica communities. And this is the

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Speaker 20: evidence provided by the Ministry of Health. We've relied on

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Speaker 20: that and we're making this decision to save more lives.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, So, how many Marty and Pacifica lives that

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Speaker 2: we're going to be saved won't be Have you figured

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Speaker 2: that out?

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Speaker 21: Well?

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Speaker 20: The evidence was that if we lowered it to fifty

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Speaker 20: for only Marty and Pacifica communities, we would be three

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Speaker 20: hundred and ninety additional deaths prevented over twenty five years.

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Speaker 20: This changing means it will save five hundred and sixty

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Speaker 20: six lives over twenty five years. And this is about

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Speaker 20: five following the evidence and ensuring that we have a

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Speaker 20: policy which is based on ensuring that healthcare is based

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Speaker 20: on need. That's part of our government's policies and that's

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Speaker 20: what we're doing in this area.

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Speaker 2: Is there a Malori and Pacific people more predisposed to

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Speaker 2: bowel cancer?

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Speaker 20: No, The advice is that bow cancer risk is similar

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Speaker 20: similar across all population groups at the same age, so

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Speaker 20: that that's the evidence that we're represented by the Ministry

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Speaker 20: of Health.

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Speaker 2: So why was this program in place for Maori and Pacifica.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're obviously behind when it comes to stats

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Speaker 2: on death from vow cancer.

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Speaker 20: Well, I think the key thing, one of the key

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Speaker 20: things here is actually it's not just about the age,

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Speaker 20: but it's also making sure we're encouraging more testing in

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Speaker 20: those population groups. So part of what we're doing today, yes,

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Speaker 20: we're allowing it to fifty eight for all New Zealanders

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Speaker 20: with an intention to go further as cholonoscopy testing allows for.

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Speaker 20: But we're also going to be doing a lot of

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Speaker 20: work with Health New Zealand to focus on being increasing

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Speaker 20: the rates of testing amongst those Marian Pacifica communities. So

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Speaker 20: we are going to focus resource into increasing the testing

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Speaker 20: amongst those communities. So it's about taking a balanced approach, Yes,

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Speaker 20: lowering the age for everyone, but actually focusing on getting

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Speaker 20: the testing rates up so that they're the same as

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Speaker 20: European communities for Pacifica and Marerica communities, and it's also

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Speaker 20: going to make a big difference.

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Speaker 2: What about the age generally for everybody that you promised

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Speaker 2: during the election campaign we get to forty five, were

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Speaker 2: still at fifty eight. When's that going to happen?

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Speaker 20: Well, we said would match Australia. That's what we're going

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Speaker 20: to do. Is a key part right, they've just reduced

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Speaker 20: it to forty five from fifty. The key restraint is

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Speaker 20: the access to cholonoscopies in our health system and so

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Speaker 20: as we increase the capacity in our hospitals for colonoscopies,

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Speaker 20: that will allow us to be able to lower the

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Speaker 20: age progressively when we've committed to doing that at the stage,

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Speaker 20: this is what we can achieve. As we increase that capacity,

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Speaker 20: we will go further.

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Speaker 2: Do you not have a date war We We don't

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Speaker 2: have a date at this.

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Speaker 20: Stage, but ultimately Health New Zealand, you know, one of

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Speaker 20: the key things is making sure they can increase the

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Speaker 20: number of colonosky's across the country. That can be done

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Speaker 20: and as that happens, we'll looked as thol of this

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Speaker 20: age as quickly as we can.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to your time, minister, really appreciate it. Simmy and

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Speaker 2: Brown the Health Minister. It is ten after five, So

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Speaker 2: Phil Goffer is Gonski as High Commissioner to London to

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Speaker 2: the UK, I should say he made this remark at

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Speaker 2: Chatham House in London. He asked the Finnish minister who

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Speaker 2: was in attendance at a panel, if she thought that

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump really understands history, which is obviously not something

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Speaker 2: you want to say about a thin skinned man over

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Speaker 2: in the White House. Now Winston is fired and Morris

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Speaker 2: Williamson's the former Consul general to Los Angeles. Good evening,

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Speaker 2: good evening, right call to get rid of him.

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Speaker 16: I think there's no choice for the Foreign Minister.

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Speaker 22: To do what he did.

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Speaker 16: I can tell you I was a diplomat in the

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Speaker 16: United States when Donald Trump was the president for his

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Speaker 16: first term. We're given very very clear warnings that we

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Speaker 16: are there to convey only what the government's policy are

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Speaker 16: and not what our own personal views may or may

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Speaker 16: not be. And it wouldn't matter if you were talking

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Speaker 16: about Japan or China or anything. That's the role of

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Speaker 16: a diplomat. You're there to represent the government's views. And

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Speaker 16: I think it was pretty clear that. I think the

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Speaker 16: Foreign Minister said it's untenable what happened, and I simply

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Speaker 16: don't know why Phil Goff would have made such a mistake.

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Speaker 2: I wondered whether he knew he was being filmed. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's been around the traps a long time, surely you

728
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Speaker 2: must have known. But he was playing politician, not diplomat,

729
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Speaker 2: wasn't he. That's the problem.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, and your problem with those things, and I always

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Speaker 16: I had it quite a lot. I went to a

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Speaker 16: function in Utah once and I was told it was

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Speaker 16: all well Chatham House rules because you were a Chathamhouse

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Speaker 16: And I never accept that, because someone will be filming

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Speaker 16: it with their hand camera, someone will be recording it

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Speaker 16: with a tape deck inside their jacket. You literally, when

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Speaker 16: you're in the public you have to be representing New Zealand.

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Speaker 16: You have that The government is the You are there

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Speaker 16: their pleasure and they can either appoint you or remove

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Speaker 16: you accordingly. And I have to say that I was

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Speaker 16: appointed under a national government when I went up there

742
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Speaker 16: and it switched to a labor New Zealand First government.

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Speaker 16: It's quite unusual for me to say it, but I

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Speaker 16: think Winston Peters is just an outstanding foreign minister and

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Speaker 16: really well regarded around the world. Everybody I talked to

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Speaker 16: from the foreign sort of embassies of other countries were

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Speaker 16: actually quite envious that we had a guy who knew

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Speaker 16: foreign affairs as well as Winston Peters does.

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Speaker 2: He's had a long time to learn about it too, Morris,

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Speaker 2: thank you for that. Marics Williamson, former Consul General in

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles. It is twelve after five, Ryan Bridge, Interesting,

752
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Speaker 2: isn't it. So we've had Phil Goff gone although fired,

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Speaker 2: We've had Adrian all resigning and Greg Furan is a

754
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Speaker 2: big one today. Of course here's in New Zealand chief

755
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Speaker 2: executive and talk to Irene King about him. Why has

756
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Speaker 2: he gone now? I mean he's had a hard time.

757
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Speaker 2: He came in. Remember it was a month before the

758
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Speaker 2: borders close that he came in. The airline basic has

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Speaker 2: treaded water since then. They've had the issues with the

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Speaker 2: Rolls Royce engines. It's been a hard time to be

761
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Speaker 2: the boss. Just want to bring your attention to this

762
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Speaker 2: very quickly because it's over in South Carolina in the

763
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Speaker 2: United States. The court there has cleared their way for

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Speaker 2: the first execution to take place by firing squad in

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Speaker 2: more than fifteen years. The guy's name is Brad Siegmund.

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Speaker 2: He has chosen this because he's worried about because they

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Speaker 2: can either go by. You have three options basically an

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Speaker 2: electric here, a lethal injection, or a firing squad in

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Speaker 2: South Carolina. This is really, this is the reality here,

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Speaker 2: and he didn't like his chances with the other two,

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Speaker 2: so he's gone by firing squad. This is due to

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Speaker 2: take place Saturday our time. His crime was beating his

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Speaker 2: ex girlfriend's parents to death. He does have one, so

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Speaker 2: by Saturday morning our time, he will be dead. And

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Speaker 2: this is fine in South Carolina. He does have one

776
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Speaker 2: last shot at surviving. Asked the governor there for clemency,

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Speaker 2: and they have to decide I think two hours before

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Speaker 2: the firing starts to take place. So the two hours

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Speaker 2: before that he will find out whether he's been granted clemency.

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Speaker 2: The kicker is that no governor, and this is a

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Speaker 2: Republican governor, no governor has in this state has granted

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Speaker 2: clemency in forty nine years. Fourteen, after five news talks,

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Speaker 2: there be how much time are you spending on your

784
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Speaker 2: cell phone? I'll tell you next news talks. Heb it's

785
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Speaker 2: seventeen minutes after five. New research out from Amazon says

786
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Speaker 2: that kiwis check their phones. You pick up your phone

787
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Speaker 2: all day long I know you do pick up their

788
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Speaker 2: phones and check notifications up to fifty times per hour.

789
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Speaker 2: More than a quarter of us are receiving notifications right

790
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Speaker 2: up until the time we go to sleep, and it's

791
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Speaker 2: also been revealed that apparently nine to forty five PM

792
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Speaker 2: is the ideal time to switch off. Doctor Mark Williams

793
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Speaker 2: is a neuroscience professor. He's with me this evening. Good evening,

794
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Speaker 2: Hi Ryan, nice too, good to have you on. Can

795
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Speaker 2: you be honest hat do you know how many times

796
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Speaker 2: an hour you pick up your phone?

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Speaker 22: I actually have allline notifications turned off so I'm not

798
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Speaker 22: getting beat and buzzed all the time. And then I

799
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Speaker 22: have in my calendar times to actually check my phone

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Speaker 22: to see if I've had anything important I've got to

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Speaker 22: deal with.

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Speaker 2: And in between that you don't have the urge.

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Speaker 22: No, No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: Interesting because I think I think a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Would you know with it? Because is it if you

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Speaker 2: have your no notifications buzzing you, then you're less likely

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Speaker 2: to pick it up.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, So the notifications are what they're using to actually

809
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Speaker 22: get us to pick up the phone. So the notifications

810
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Speaker 22: they have a noise or if you turn down the noise,

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Speaker 22: and they buzz, they actually move on you, and those

812
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Speaker 22: are two are the best ways to actually capture our

813
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Speaker 22: at tension. And we've got to remember that our brain

814
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Speaker 22: is exactly the same brain as we had twenty five

815
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Speaker 22: thousand years ago, right, and that is just looking for

816
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Speaker 22: things that might be dangerous in their our environment. And

817
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Speaker 22: so things that move or sort of things that make

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Speaker 22: sound could be dangerous, and so we're always looking out

819
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Speaker 22: for that, and that's basically why the phone attracts our

820
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Speaker 22: attention and captures us. And so by getting rid of those,

821
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Speaker 22: we don't have that drive to constantly pick it up

822
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 22: and have a look to make sure it's nothing we

823
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Speaker 22: need to worry about.

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Speaker 2: If we continue down this path and we're doing it

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Speaker 2: up to fifty times an hour, what happens to our brain?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, So a brain is basically just like any other muscle,

827
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Speaker 22: but it's got lots and lots of muscles in it.

828
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Speaker 22: And the muscles that we work all the time become

829
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Speaker 22: really strong and they're the dominant ones that we're going

830
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Speaker 22: to be constantly active, and the muscles that we don't

831
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Speaker 22: work are going to atrophy and slowly die off and

832
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Speaker 22: we won't have access to those anymore. And so if

833
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Speaker 22: you're constantly darting from one thing to another or constantly

834
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Speaker 22: responding to your phone, then that's something that you're going

835
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Speaker 22: to be constantly doing more and more and more. And

836
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Speaker 22: that's why a lot of people now have a thing

837
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Speaker 22: called bantom buzz syndrome where they'll get a buzz on

838
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Speaker 22: their leg or a buzz on their wrist if they

839
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Speaker 22: have the smart watch on, even when they're not actually

840
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Speaker 22: getting notifications, because their brain's so wide to be constantly

841
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Speaker 22: getting these notifications, that's what they're looking for all the time,

842
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Speaker 22: and they get these phantom buzzers and they have trouble

843
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Speaker 22: going to sleep and do with those things because of

844
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Speaker 22: those fandom buzzers. So they're actually physically addicted to it.

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Speaker 2: That's grim. And yet meanwhile, the longer term, you know

846
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Speaker 2: what you might call the deeper thinking part of our brain,

847
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Speaker 2: if we're not using that as much, then that just dies.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, we know we're getting dumber, right so the first

849
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Speaker 22: time in our evolutionary history, we're getting dumber at the moment,

850
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Speaker 22: and that's happened over about the last ten years. And

851
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Speaker 22: we know that from the Flind effect, the Fline effect,

852
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Speaker 22: is this idea that we were actually getting smarter because

853
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Speaker 22: people are getting more educated and we're learning how to

854
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Speaker 22: read and do all these sorts of things. So over

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Speaker 22: the last one hundred and fifty years or so, we've

856
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Speaker 22: been getting smarter every five or ten years. Over the

857
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Speaker 22: last ten years, we've actually got dumber. And the only

858
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Speaker 22: thing that's happened in that time, of course, is these

859
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Speaker 22: devices that we now have in our popits that are

860
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Speaker 22: constantly distracting us. So that's a huge problem. But also

861
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Speaker 22: we know that it's the younger you've given a device,

862
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Speaker 22: or the more time you spend on the device, the

863
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Speaker 22: more likely you are to have ADHD as well. And ADHD,

864
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Speaker 22: of course is a disorder of attention, and these things

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Speaker 22: are attracted constantly interrupting how attentional mechanisms are not allowing

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Speaker 22: us to develop those areas properly, so we're not able

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Speaker 22: to sustain our attention and actually do good work, actually

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Speaker 22: think about things, and to read books and do these

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Speaker 22: sorts of things. And of course, on the other hand,

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Speaker 22: reading's gone dropped off dramatically, and most people used to

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Speaker 22: read ten to fifteen books every year. Your average person,

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Speaker 22: the average person today is reading likes and one book

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Speaker 22: which is really really sad as well.

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Speaker 2: Of course fascinating and disturbing. Dr Mark Williams really appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time, neuroscience professor. That is pretty devastating evaluation of

876
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Speaker 2: the human race, isn't it. We are, for the first

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Speaker 2: time in human history, collectively getting thicker. And do you

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Speaker 2: know what's more funny about this? You might even be

879
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Speaker 2: listening to this radio station on a phone that you've

880
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Speaker 2: been checking as we've been talking. I've just done it

881
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Speaker 2: right then after the interview finished, I just looked at

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Speaker 2: my phone. I don't even know why, just to see

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Speaker 2: what the time was. But I'm getting done.

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Speaker 15: You come in there and take that off your own.

885
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Speaker 2: You're supposed to be hosting a radio show at the honestly,

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Speaker 2: take it away. The thing is this is we've had

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Speaker 2: this morning before. It's like obesity. People say, we're getting

888
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Speaker 2: fatter for the first time in history, we're getting dumber

889
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Speaker 2: for the first time in history. And what do we

890
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Speaker 2: do pick up our phones and go to McDonald's.

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Speaker 15: How I guess the answer is how dumb You can

892
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Speaker 15: use the phone to, like auder McDonald's deliver to you

893
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Speaker 15: and then it'll buzz to let you know when the

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Speaker 15: McDonald's is a arrive.

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Speaker 2: The only question left really is how dumb and how

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Speaker 2: big are we going to get? Twenty two after five?

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Speaker 1: Moving the big stories of the day forward, it's Ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge on hither do for see Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be five twenty five. So have you heard the

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Speaker 2: news that Adrian Or is heading to air New Zealand? Done?

902
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Speaker 2: Just kidding, don't before you freak out, don't worry, I'm

903
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Speaker 2: just kidding. Can you imagine it, though? Can you imagine

904
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Speaker 2: Adrian Or running in New Zealand he does something annoying

905
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Speaker 2: or extreme like he did with the rbn Z hit,

906
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Speaker 2: either flood the market with seats, bring the prices down

907
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Speaker 2: but bankrupt the airline. Or he'd hike the fears so

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Speaker 2: quickly nobody could afford to fly anymore and would all

909
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Speaker 2: be back on the intercity buses, you know, the furthest

910
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Speaker 2: you can get for the weekend would be Hamilton. In

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Speaker 2: all seriousness, though, if you think about this for a minute,

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Speaker 2: we've had a lot of resignations over the last couple

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Speaker 2: of days. Let's think from about four and about Asia

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Speaker 2: and Or. They both have high profile jobs. They are

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Speaker 2: both hugely important to our country and to our economy.

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Speaker 2: The Reserve Bank governor is obviously more important because it

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Speaker 2: affects more people, and when it goes south, it cuts

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Speaker 2: all of us and can cut us quite deeply. As

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Speaker 2: we have discovered with airlines, planes break down, flights get canceled,

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Speaker 2: the air fares go up, COVID comes along, borders get

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Speaker 2: closed overnight. That is a bloody hard job too, So

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Speaker 2: they're both hard jobs done by two reasonably smart chief executives.

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Speaker 2: The difference between them as public leaders, though, is stark.

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Speaker 2: Foreign has always fronted no matter how bad the news,

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Speaker 2: the delays, the cancelations, the cock ups, he would be

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Speaker 2: there bright nearly in the morning for a television interview.

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Speaker 2: He knew the issues, he answered reasonably well most of

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Speaker 2: the time, and he was always pretty even tempered. Adrian

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Speaker 2: Or initially did interviews quite freely. When the going got tough,

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Speaker 2: though he cut back on the number and the frequency,

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Speaker 2: often combative. In these interviews, some have did say smami,

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Speaker 2: some did say arrogant, rub people the wrong way. So

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Speaker 2: neither of these men had easy jobs, and neither will

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Speaker 2: be loved but I suppose there's a way to not

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Speaker 2: be hated, and I don't think Foreign will be. Brian

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Speaker 2: Bradley Hews Talk said, be twenty seven minutes after five

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Speaker 2: nine two nine two is the number de text we'd

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Speaker 2: love to hear from you. Coming up after the news,

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about well, Greg Furan, Irene Kings,

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Speaker 2: the aviation commentator knows all things aviation, obviously, hence the title.

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Speaker 2: She is with us after five point thirty for her

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Speaker 2: reaction to Foreign saying goodbye to Aaron.

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Speaker 1: Z, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on hither do for see Allen drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected News Talks.

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Speaker 22: It'd be.

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Speaker 23: Just have a little woman.

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Speaker 11: I love how much I was turning up and you're

949
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Speaker 11: right let your side.

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Speaker 12: Who'll keep turning up?

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Speaker 2: And I twenty five minutes away from sex here on

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Speaker 2: news Talks, edb great to have your company Tonight after sex,

953
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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about these scientists. The lab scientists

954
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Speaker 2: that have gone on strike are going on strike, I

955
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Speaker 2: should say so. Over eight hundred and fifty lab scientists

956
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Speaker 2: and technicians across the country are going to go on

957
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Speaker 2: a rolling strike over the next seven days. This is

958
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Speaker 2: going to affect one hundred and twenty three thousand patient tests.

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Speaker 2: I've got some blood tests that I need to do

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Speaker 2: that my doctor has given me. I've had it sitting

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Speaker 2: on my kitchen table for a couple of nearly two weeks,

962
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Speaker 2: because you have it's one of those ones where you

963
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Speaker 2: have to have an empty stomach in the morning and

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Speaker 2: I keep waking up and eating. So haven't quite got

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Speaker 2: there yet, but it sounds like maybe I should get

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Speaker 2: in before they do with the strikes anyway. That is

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Speaker 2: after sex here on news Talks VB cry and Bridge.

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Speaker 2: She's gone twenty four away from six o'clock now. In

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, boss Greg Fouran is out. He's resigning. He

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Speaker 2: joined the airline February twenty twenty and he'll be leaving

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Speaker 2: in October. In New Zealand, the chair in New Zealand's

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Speaker 2: chair believes the airline is set up well to continue

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Speaker 2: it's positive trajectory and agrees the time is right. Iren

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Speaker 2: King is a former Aviation New Zealand CEO. Good Evening, Irene.

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Speaker 24: Good Evening, How are you very good in India?

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Speaker 13: At the moment.

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Speaker 2: Oh, quite fitting to have your traveling Now, how do

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Speaker 2: you think, why do you think he's going now?

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Speaker 24: Well, I'd say that, you know, i'd be pretty tired

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Speaker 24: after all all of the events that he's been through.

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Speaker 24: And you know, I think it's time for a change

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Speaker 24: in trajectory, change in direction. I think, you know, a

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Speaker 24: New Zealand's really got to focus on its core New

984
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Speaker 24: Zealand market and I think some of that's been lost,

985
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Speaker 24: lost siege has gone off.

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Speaker 2: One of the big problems is the Rolls Royce engines

987
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Speaker 2: and there's nothing I mean, whoever the new chiev executive is.

988
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Speaker 2: They can't fix that overnight precisely.

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Speaker 24: And so that's why I say the focus has got

990
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Speaker 24: to be on, you know, restoring confidence, consumer confident. It's

991
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Speaker 24: in in New Zealand and in their home market. Now,

992
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Speaker 24: if they don't control that market, then you know, it

993
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Speaker 24: makes life really challenging, even more challenging than what they've

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Speaker 24: got at the present time.

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Speaker 2: Because we get a lot of feedback here whenever we

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Speaker 2: talk about in New Zealand, it's the delayed flights, or

997
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Speaker 2: it's the canceled flights, or it's the state of the

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Speaker 2: corery lounge Is that just me or do you get

999
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Speaker 2: the sense that there's been a bit of a reputation

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Speaker 2: hit here for their line.

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Speaker 24: Look, I think that they really need to refocus on

1002
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Speaker 24: domestic New Zealand. You know that regional route network restructure

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Speaker 24: has not gone down well prices. You know, they are

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Speaker 24: off off the planet and they've got to somehow get

1005
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Speaker 24: that focus back and recapture our hearts and minds. It's

1006
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Speaker 24: not that New Zealanders don't support in New Zealand, they

1007
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Speaker 24: just don't want to pay the money that.

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Speaker 25: Requires.

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Speaker 24: So that means you've got to be very strongly focused

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Speaker 24: on your costs and delivering value for the customer.

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Speaker 2: Irene, thanks for that, Irene King, former aviation in zed CEO.

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Speaker 2: Time has just gone twenty one away from Sex the Huddle.

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Speaker 2: Find your one of a kind rich pickings for the

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Speaker 2: Huddle today. David Farris with us KIWI blog Polster Hi

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Speaker 2: David and Stuart Nash, former Labor Party ministers here too.

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Speaker 7: Hey Stuart, how are you mate?

1018
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm well, thank you. Good to have you guys on.

1019
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Speaker 2: Let's start with Winston sacking Phil Stuart had to happen.

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Speaker 7: Right, Well, it kind of did, right.

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Speaker 10: I mean, your Phil Goff's a former minister foreign few

1022
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Speaker 10: he gets this game. But you know the world has changed.

1023
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Speaker 7: You know, you've got it.

1024
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Speaker 10: You've got Zalinski going in the White House and getting

1025
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Speaker 10: getting a new asshole rip.

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Speaker 7: The world has changed. You've just got to be very,

1027
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 7: very careful what you say these days.

1028
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Speaker 10: Phil would have known that Winston is one of the

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Speaker 10: best foreign ministers I think we've ever had, and highly

1030
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Speaker 10: respected globally.

1031
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Speaker 7: I don't think he had a choice.

1032
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the stakes are too high, David.

1033
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Speaker 12: Look, I mean Trump could read this and stick a

1034
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Speaker 12: three five percent Terri for New Zealand.

1035
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Speaker 2: Off.

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Speaker 7: I mean, this is how foreign policy is now bad.

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Speaker 12: The trouble with Phil go Off, how I feel about

1038
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Speaker 12: sorry for is he's a former politician and he was

1039
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Speaker 12: asking as a politician, not as a diplomat. A professional

1040
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Speaker 12: diplomat would never have asked a question like that.

1041
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Speaker 10: He did actually say that he was identified himself as

1042
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Speaker 10: High Commissioner, so you know he I think he might

1043
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Speaker 10: have known what he was doing. But Phil's passionate about life,

1044
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Speaker 10: you know, especially about everything, and I just think working

1045
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Speaker 10: himself David.

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Speaker 2: To your point, should we be appointing former politicians to

1047
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Speaker 2: be diplomats.

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Speaker 12: Only in very rare cases certain times. The one exception

1049
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Speaker 12: is probably Washington, d C. Because there are former politicians

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Speaker 12: of real status outside there.

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Speaker 21: I think your best to generally stick with the professionals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we could have done with one today, I think,

1053
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Speaker 2: and I guess everyone now is on notice. Every diplomata

1054
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Speaker 2: around the world just be very careful what you say

1055
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Speaker 2: about Donald Trump because the bar is very low for

1056
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Speaker 2: being h fired. Stuart Beow screening. The age has been

1057
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Speaker 2: lowered for everyone from sixty to fifty eight, but it

1058
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Speaker 2: means that the funding has come from a targeted program

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Speaker 2: that was meant that those over fifty who were Maloria

1060
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Speaker 2: Pacifica could get it. Now the net effect means that

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Speaker 2: we say, one hundred and seventy eight extra lives. So

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Speaker 2: is that not a better use of funding?

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Speaker 10: Like I read this with a little bit of skiptis

1064
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Speaker 10: the reason I say that is we know that Marian

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Speaker 10: Pacifica end up with beal cancer's far more prevalently than

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Speaker 10: the rest of New Jerald.

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Speaker 7: There are times, and there are.

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Speaker 10: Places where you've got to have targeted intervenions, and I

1069
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Speaker 10: think this is one of those times I think this

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Speaker 10: is your politics, and I don't think it's particularly good.

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Speaker 10: I don't think it's particularly smart, and I think it'll

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Speaker 10: disadvantage our poor communities, of which Marian Pacifica are overrepresented

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Speaker 10: in these stats.

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Speaker 26: David I does agree here Marian Pacifica are over represented,

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Speaker 26: but not because there's some genetic shape which makes them

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Speaker 26: sospietical bow cancer.

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Speaker 9: It's because there's other factors at work there, and the

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Speaker 9: current age of sixty people can actually get screening before

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Speaker 9: sixty if there's clinical reasons. I'm actually having one in

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Speaker 9: a few weeks because there's clinical reasons. So you only

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Speaker 9: use things like race as a proxy if you have

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Speaker 9: no individual data, and we do have individual at the

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Speaker 9: end of the day, I think if a fifty seven

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Speaker 9: year old non Mari Pacifica gets bow cancer.

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Speaker 21: And finds out he could have been prevented, but he

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Speaker 21: was the wrong race, because you don't screen Europeans at

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Speaker 21: fifty seven agents and to others, you should only use

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Speaker 21: race as a proxy when there's no other data available.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree, because the other thing is

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Speaker 2: if there's because Stuart, if there was a predisposition. If

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Speaker 2: you're a Malia Pacifica, you're predisposed to contracting bow cancer,

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Speaker 2: then yes, but but then you would be on the

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Speaker 2: list where you would be able to get it specially

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Speaker 2: done right, So look, yeah, the blanket thing maybe is right.

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Speaker 10: Using race purely as a proxy is not a good

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Speaker 10: way to make policy. I completely buy into that. And

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Speaker 10: there are mitigating factors, you know, diet, exercise, all those

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Speaker 10: things that we know about. But I just think we

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Speaker 10: need to deal with the reality of the situation we

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Speaker 10: find themselves in, and that is Maria Pacifica over represented

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Speaker 10: in those who end up with with bell cancer over

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Speaker 10: over other New Zealands. There is a there is a

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Speaker 10: the data does provide a case for screening targeted populations

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Speaker 10: earlier than the general population. And I think this is

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Speaker 10: one of those cases where we actually where the data

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Speaker 10: does actually back up marian Pacifica at fifty.

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Speaker 7: And the rest of us.

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Speaker 2: But you must accept then, don't you have to accept

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Speaker 2: that there will be an Indian man or a Chinese

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Speaker 2: woman who will die because they couldn't get the funding

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Speaker 2: because you packed one race over another.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's a very very tricky argument.

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Speaker 10: So what we're saying now is if you are married

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Speaker 10: in Pacifica and you are under the age of fifty eight,

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Speaker 10: you will not get the funding for this.

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Speaker 7: Now there will evinably be.

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Speaker 10: Marrying Pacifica men who will die or women who will

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Speaker 10: die because they didn't screen before the age of fifty eight.

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Speaker 7: Look, this is a really really triquent.

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Speaker 10: What I would have done is actually I would have

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Speaker 10: dropped the screening down to fifty for everyone in Australia.

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Speaker 10: I think it's forty five. We know that screening works.

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Speaker 10: I mean you talk about a blood test on your

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Speaker 10: kitchen table. I had one done for this exact same

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Speaker 10: thing a couple of weeks ago. The test came back

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Speaker 10: within about eight hours. But it does work, and I

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Speaker 10: think encouraging people to get these sorts of tests is

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Speaker 10: really important. Taking up to fifty eight for Marria Paizika,

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Speaker 10: I just think you'll see more mare in Pacifica die

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Speaker 10: that didn't.

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Speaker 2: David, do you have any final thoughts on.

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Speaker 12: This Earlier is the hit of courses with everything there

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Speaker 12: is a funding one, but I think at the end

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Speaker 12: of the day, you can get h screen before sixty

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Speaker 12: or fifty eight based on clinical factors and that's how

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Speaker 12: it should.

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Speaker 2: Be, all right. David Farrett and Stuart Nash are on

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Speaker 2: the huddle. We're back in a second, plenty more to discuss.

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Speaker 2: We've got a comment from Phil twyfe at about Destiny

1140
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Speaker 2: Church another one and also Greg Forham. Where's he going?

1141
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Speaker 2: What's he doing? Did you know? By the way, just

1142
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: a fun fact before we go to the break, what

1143
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: was his salary at Walmart before he went to their

1144
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: New Zealand versus what is his salary now he's gone?

1145
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: He went down, took a haircut from nineteen million down

1146
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 2: to one point eight. Ryan Bridge News talks there b

1147
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: you're on the huddle with David Farrer and Stuart Nash.

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Speaker 2: Welcomb back, guys, So Greg Fouran is out. Skis from

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand. We've had a lot, it feels like

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01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 2: there's been a lot this week. We've had Phil Goff

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01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: being fired, Greg Furan is out, Adrian ra is out.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know what to say. Who do we

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01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: Who did the best job? David?

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Speaker 13: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Greg?

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Speaker 12: I think it's easier than In fact, they've heard the

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01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 12: joke that he's going to become Reserved Bank Governor.

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Speaker 7: Adrien all High commissioner.

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Speaker 2: I loved what do you reckons to it?

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Speaker 10: I'm a big fan of big friend. I think he's

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01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 10: done a fantastic job. You know, this is not a

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01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 10: man who needed the money. He turned up.

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01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 7: The week he turned up, we closed down the country

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01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 7: and he's stuck around.

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Speaker 10: He doesn't need the money. A salary, will Mut actually

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Speaker 10: wasn't nineteen million. The salary was about one million, but

1167
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 10: all his bonuses and options yeah, sorry.

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Speaker 3: No, no.

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Speaker 10: But what I mean is he gets that for being successful.

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Speaker 10: He is one of these kiwis that has really excelled

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01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 10: on the world stage. I think we were very, very

1172
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 10: lucky to have him. I disagreed with the av agent

1173
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 10: expert that you had before the huddle. I think Grigg's

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01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 10: done a good job. There are many things outside of

1175
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 10: his control. That means he's been tearing his tear out.

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Speaker 10: I mean roles for It's engines we bluddy hell.

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Speaker 2: I know you wouldn't have thought, I mean you're not.

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Speaker 2: They don't look like or sound like cheap ones, No,

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Speaker 2: they don't.

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Speaker 7: And chira clubs. I mean I fly more than most.

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Speaker 10: I mean I've been flying up and down this country

1182
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 10: every week for about fifteen sixteen years. Chira clubs are

1183
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 10: in great condition. The service I get is absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 10: It's expensive, but if you book ahead you can actually

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Speaker 10: get some really good fears. I think Greg's done a

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01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 10: good job and I wish him the best.

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Speaker 2: David with it when it comes to Adrian or do

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Speaker 2: you think that his he will work in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: or do you think you'll go overseas?

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Speaker 27: I think he would find it difficult to work in

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01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 27: you them, partly because after you've been reserved bank governor

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01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 27: there's not a lot of roles left, but also his

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Speaker 27: men that did leave quite a few ruises on people,

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Speaker 27: so I don't think to be as many opportunities as otherwise.

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Speaker 12: He could well end up though, just being a professional director,

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Speaker 12: maybe gain on some.

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Speaker 21: You know, financial boards etcca. He was to be there

1198
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Speaker 21: from a very very good chief at SECA, New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Super fun, Yes he was. He was this public facing

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01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: role perhaps not so suited.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, David, maybe you should be the High Commissions

1202
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Speaker 10: to London because I think that was the most diplomatic

1203
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 10: answer I have heard about aident's performance all day.

1204
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Speaker 7: I think he would, you know, he is a very

1205
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 7: very smart man, but I do not think that this

1206
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 7: role suited his temperament or his personality.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, somebody somebody said, maybe there's a job going

1208
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Speaker 2: at Otaga University with.

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Speaker 7: I don't think Grant would want him anywhere there, anywhere

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Speaker 7: in the South Island.

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Speaker 2: Very good, all right? Just before we go, Actually, Phil

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Speaker 2: Tryphon's come out and said about Destiny Church, the Man

1213
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: Up program, He's worried about the fact that the courts

1214
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: are still sending people to this program. David. It has

1215
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Speaker 2: been shown to have some success, but there's obviously the

1216
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Speaker 2: whole problem with the protesting and people's opinions of Destiny Church.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 12: I'm sorry, the hypocrisy Phil's government, which Suett may have been.

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Speaker 12: And also people to get rehabilitated by.

1220
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Speaker 28: The Mongrel bob.

1221
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 7: Drug addicts off to the bug.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Stuart was probably a fan of that.

1223
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 7: No, no, look, I didn't buy into that program in

1224
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 7: any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 10: But but David, I think sending people with Destiny to

1226
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Speaker 10: get rehabilitated, there's like sending people of the Mungo mab rehabilitated.

1227
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Speaker 10: But I'm like, now, with all respect to Brian Tomakitt,

1228
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Speaker 10: I'm not suggesting don't sue me. I'm not suggesting you

1229
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Speaker 10: like the Mungo MAB, but I just do not think

1230
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Speaker 10: this is an organization that the police should be sending

1231
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Speaker 10: trouble used to.

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Speaker 2: All right, very I love that the hypocrisy. It's like

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01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: today today I heard Tory Farno calling for Nick Leggett

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Speaker 2: to resign. I thought, what what have we come to?

1235
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Speaker 2: Podcast weird? Such a weird week. Hopefully we're all still

1236
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Speaker 2: here by the end of it. That is David farre

1237
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Speaker 2: Kivy Blog and Polster and Stuart Nash, former Labor Party

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Speaker 2: minister on the Huddle. It is eight to six NEWSTALKSVB,

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones

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Speaker 2: with local.

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01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: And global reach. It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full

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Speaker 1: Show podcast on my Art Radio, powered by News TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: News Talks HEB five away from six. I haven't even

1244
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 2: mentioned this on the show yet, but China says it

1245
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 2: is ready for any type of war. It feels like

1246
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 2: something two hours in we probably should have mentioned earlier.

1247
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Speaker 2: But the reason I haven't is because it's just saber

1248
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: rattling and it's more to do with trade wars than

1249
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 2: anything else. This is the quote from China's embassy on

1250
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: x reposting a line from a government statement there was

1251
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Speaker 2: that she issued on Tuesdays. So what does that mean?

1252
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 2: Old news anyway. If war is what the United States wants,

1253
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: be it a tariff war, a trade war, or any

1254
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: other type of war, ears are picking up now. We're

1255
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Speaker 2: ready to fight until the end.

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Speaker 22: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not paying too much attention to that. It

1258
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: is four minutes away from six. What I am paying

1259
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Speaker 2: attention to with China is the story from the Wall

1260
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: Street Journal this morning, which I found endlessly fascinating because

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Speaker 2: you know how people go absolutely pack their pants about

1262
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: the fact that we're still using coal at Huntley even

1263
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: though it keeps out you know, Tutsi's warm in winter

1264
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 2: and protesting and going outside Huntley and crying. Well, perhaps

1265
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: you should go cry in China. So this is a

1266
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Speaker 2: story about an EU ambassador to China who's trying to

1267
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Speaker 2: school them on what they do with coal fired power plants.

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Speaker 2: But in here is a number. In the last half

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Speaker 2: of last year, Beijing approved sixty six point seven gigawatts

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Speaker 2: of new coal fired power capacity. What the hell does

1271
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Speaker 2: that mean? Well, one giga what equals one coal powered plant,

1272
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Speaker 2: So sixty six extra coal powered plants just in the

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Speaker 2: last half of last year. That's how much they increase

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Speaker 2: their capacity pay. So next time you want to go

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Speaker 2: cry about Huntley, I don't know, get a plane to

1276
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 2: China and cry there, because you'll have far more impact.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought. It is three minutes away from

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Speaker 2: Sexier on News Talk, said be Jamie mackay from the

1279
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: country here to talk red meat after six. But next

1280
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Speaker 2: we are doing Dr Debrah Powell on these lab technicians

1281
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Speaker 2: who are going on stroke, keeping.

1282
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Speaker 1: Track of where the money is flowing. The Business Hour

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01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: with Ryan Bridge and insurance and investments, Grow your wealth,

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Speaker 1: Protect your future, use talks.

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Speaker 2: Be good evening. It is seven after six News Talk

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Speaker 2: ZIBB coming up, Liam dan on the price of oil,

1287
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: Jamie McKay on the price of beef and lamb. Sam

1288
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: Dickey on equities and headlines about shareholder mutinies at tvn Z.

1289
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Speaker 2: Sorry enz and me fo part from me. We'll get

1290
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Speaker 2: to that at later in the program as well. Medical labs,

1291
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Speaker 2: scientists and technicians are going on strike. They'll be rolling

1292
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Speaker 2: strikes at AW NUI path lab and med labs. This

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Speaker 2: is all over the country. For the week beginning March

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Speaker 2: twenty second, the Union says one hundred and twenty three

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Speaker 2: thousand fewer patient tests will be done in that week

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Speaker 2: because of the strikes. The president is Debrah Powell. Good evening, Deborah,

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Speaker 2: good evening, Ryn.

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Speaker 18: I'm the National Secretary, by the way, not the president.

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Speaker 25: Not take that role.

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Speaker 2: Forgive me and for APEX. I should clarify too. So

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Speaker 2: what exactly do these technicians and scientists do?

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Speaker 18: Okay, Well, the public probably know them best from COVID.

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Speaker 18: They really saved us during that period. They were the

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Speaker 18: ones who did all of the PCR testing. If you remember,

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Speaker 18: we all had things being stuck up our noses and

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Speaker 18: they were the ones who said, yep, let's COVID or

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Speaker 18: no it's not. But they do way more than that.

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Speaker 18: They diagnose infections, you know what bugs or bacteria you've

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Speaker 18: got in your system. They diagnosed problems with your red

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Speaker 18: blood cells, whether you've got leukemia or not, whether you've

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Speaker 18: got anemia. They diagnosed cancer through histology, so they look

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Speaker 18: at bits of lumps and things they really don't want

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Speaker 18: and say, yeah, that's cancer or no.

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Speaker 2: Never mind important stuff.

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Speaker 18: Oh yeah, and absolutely.

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Speaker 2: It's eight hundred and fifty of them, and they're going

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Speaker 2: on strike. They're rolling strikes. One hundred and twenty three

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Speaker 2: thousand patient tests will be impacted. Will they be tests

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Speaker 2: like the ones you described, some pretty important ones where

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Speaker 2: you'd want to know.

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Speaker 18: They may well be. If someone needs a test immediately

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Speaker 18: to keep them alive, putting it bluntly, then they will

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Speaker 18: be done. So that sort of stuff as cases. But yes,

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Speaker 18: other tests will be delayed. So you know, your cancer diagnosis,

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Speaker 18: for histology, it will be delayed. It will be done,

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Speaker 18: it just won't be done as timely as the guys

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Speaker 18: normally do so.

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Speaker 2: TAFATO or employees the same types of workers, laboratory, scientists, technicians.

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Speaker 2: And there's a thirty percent thirty percent pay gap, Yes

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Speaker 2: there is.

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Speaker 18: You want to close the culmination of it, Yeah, we

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Speaker 18: want to close it. It's a culmination of a number

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Speaker 18: of things. There's pay equity which went through to the

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Speaker 18: AURA lab workers that did not go through the private

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Speaker 18: corporates did not pay a pay equity uplift. And there

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Speaker 18: is also a slow decline and insufficient cost of living

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Speaker 18: type adjustments having been made in the private sector. So yeah,

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Speaker 18: now there's a thirty percent gap and we want it corrected.

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Speaker 2: So who owns ape who owns the forgive me? Who

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Speaker 2: owns the labs?

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Speaker 25: Well, there's three different labs.

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Speaker 18: The biggest one is Ahwanui that's owned by a Canadian

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Speaker 18: teachers Superannuation fund I think about forty eight percent. There

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Speaker 18: is an EWE interest in that at about three point

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Speaker 18: seven percent, and there is also the New Zealand super

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Speaker 18: Fund which owns it. So some arezoned offshore, some are

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Speaker 18: owned here in New Zealand. None of them are health providers,

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Speaker 18: of course. They are simply shareholders and they're looking for

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Speaker 18: a dividend. They're looking for profits to be paid out.

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Speaker 18: So ah anuis a few years ago, just after COVID

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Speaker 18: paid out forty four million dollars and profit out to

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Speaker 18: its shareholders. That money largely came from the public. Perse

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Speaker 18: that's the private system, isn't it. Here we are today

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Speaker 18: saying hang on a set here, but your workers aren't

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Speaker 18: being paid enough in their crying poor So we've got

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Speaker 18: a bit of a problem.

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Speaker 2: Tod to de pow APEX National Secretary nine two nine

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Speaker 2: two the number to text thanks for your time. This

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Speaker 2: evening ten minutes after six, lean down here next on

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Speaker 2: the price of oil. Good news for you coming, Thank goodness,

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Speaker 2: there's some good news, good news on filling up your

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Speaker 2: car with petrol so long. Unless you're one of those

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Speaker 2: people who switched to an EV then it's not good news.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about the next bit. But

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Speaker 2: if you haven't, I've got some good news.

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Speaker 2: ownership of News Talk, said B and The Herald, which

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Speaker 2: is the parent company ENZ and me. We'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that a little bit before seven o'clock. Right now, though,

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Speaker 2: good news on the way for motorists, which, let's face it,

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Speaker 2: that's most of us, especially if you're listening driving home

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Speaker 2: right now. Petrol prices are expected to fall in the

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Speaker 2: coming days as oil slumps and the key dollar stabilizes.

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Speaker 2: Liam Dan's, the Herald's business editor at largely MB good

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Speaker 2: a good evening, gooday, Ryan, some good news for a

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Speaker 2: change for us.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, and I like to write these things in a

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Speaker 29: way it makes it clear that they really should be falling,

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Speaker 29: and we should expect to see them fall the next

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Speaker 29: few days.

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Speaker 2: So let's hope they do.

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Speaker 29: It's a combination of Well, the main thing is that

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Speaker 29: so the oil price has fall into the lowest in

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Speaker 29: three years, which is quite a big slump in the

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Speaker 29: past few weeks. Actually you might not know that. Notice

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Speaker 29: that at the pump as much. You know, so our

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Speaker 29: dollar has come off a lot in the past say

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Speaker 29: six weeks or eight weeks or so, and that that,

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Speaker 29: you know, oil has traded in US dollars, so that

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Speaker 29: affects the input price for New Zealand, and that's part

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Speaker 29: of the equation. But yeah, with that, you know, Brent

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Speaker 29: crude slumping below US seventy dollars a barrel, you would,

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Speaker 29: and then our dollar has actually stabilized and gone up

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Speaker 29: a little bit in the past few days. It really

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Speaker 29: should equate to some lower prices, I would hope.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got my I've sold this to everyone. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: well that's right. Well, we are dependent on these.

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Speaker 29: Petrol companies that you know, they look, they tell us

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Speaker 29: they pass it on pretty pretty well, and Commerce Commission

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Speaker 29: probably believes them.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a couple of things at play, right

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Speaker 2: you mentioned I've got the exchange rate that's stabilizing, but

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Speaker 2: then we've also got a boost in production from OPEC

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Speaker 2: countries and at the same time we've got growth not

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Speaker 2: being that great.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 29: So so I mean Donald Trump came in promising to

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Speaker 29: bring down the price of oil. This isn't quite the

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Speaker 29: reasons that he would have wanted. But one of the

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Speaker 29: reasons is that when global growth looks like it's going

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Speaker 29: in the wrong direction, traders tend to sell off oil

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Speaker 29: because we're just not going to if the economy isn't

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Speaker 29: as big, there isn't as much action in the economy,

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Speaker 29: you're not going to see as much use of petrol

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Speaker 29: basically motor you know. And so that's that's happened. And

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Speaker 29: so the tariff thing is weighing on the global growth story,

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Speaker 29: and so the investors are looking forward and going, well,

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Speaker 29: they're not seeing so much oil consumption or fuel consumption.

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Speaker 29: And then OPEK, who is the organization that's sort of

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Speaker 29: dominated by the saudiast Opek, plus it's got Russia in it.

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Speaker 29: They have after a couple of years of cutting back

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Speaker 29: on production. Have This is sourced from Ruters, but that

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Speaker 29: Reuters says they've got three sources saying that Opek currently

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Speaker 29: plans to boost production. So that means more supply coming

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Speaker 29: on less demand. And so the oil price is slumped

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Speaker 29: in the past few days. So some of those reasons

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Speaker 29: are not fantastic if you're thinking about global growth and

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Speaker 29: the fact that we want our exports booming and helping

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Speaker 29: the recovery in New Zealand. But you know, from an

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Speaker 29: inflationary point of view, this is the thing about economics,

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Speaker 29: upsides and downsides. From inflationary point of view, that's quite good.

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Speaker 29: It means that less pressure on domestic inflation and obviously

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Speaker 29: just quite good if you kind of fill up for

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Speaker 29: the weekend and going somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Certainly, it's interesting because that monetary policy statement we had

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Speaker 2: through from the Reserve Bank, the most recent one, and

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Speaker 2: there they listed as one of the risks exchange rate

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Speaker 2: to inflation in our exchange rate plus the potential for

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Speaker 2: you know, all of this stuff to happen overseas and

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Speaker 2: petrol prices to go up, and we would be doubly

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Speaker 2: kind of hat.

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Speaker 29: I guess they've got to look at that risk that

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Speaker 29: that was. I guess the dollar had been coming off

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Speaker 29: a lot at that point. It does seem to have stabilized.

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Speaker 29: The markets have turned a little bit against the US dollar,

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Speaker 29: and we've seen US bonds coming off a bit because

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Speaker 29: you know, they're genuinely concerned about what happens to what

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Speaker 29: Trump is called a bit of disturbance in the economy

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Speaker 29: that are around tariffs, and so that's a sort of

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Speaker 29: a headwind to US growth. And the US dollar has

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Speaker 29: come off a bit, especially against the European currency, but

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Speaker 29: that's benefited the New Zealand currency a bit. Look, Miss Wilburin,

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Speaker 29: right now, who's to say how long anything is going

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Speaker 29: to last. It could be the other way around by

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Speaker 29: the time I'm talking to you.

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Speaker 2: No nextly, which is what makes it so difficult if

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Speaker 2: you're a business like the automakers. Thank goodness they've been

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Speaker 2: given thirty day reprieve. But I was listening to an

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Speaker 2: exec from an automotive company in the US saying, how

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Speaker 2: do you plan when you know you're purchasing your stock,

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Speaker 2: your labor. When are these terwraf is going to be

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Speaker 2: here for one year, two year, three year, two minutes.

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Speaker 29: It's a huge amount of uncertainty. I mean, New Zealand's

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Speaker 29: facing it with agricultural exports.

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Speaker 2: At the moment.

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Speaker 29: I think New Zealand's lucky. It's got great free trade

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Speaker 29: agreements and alternative markets and there could be some you know,

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Speaker 29: some strange side effects. You know, if the US is

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Speaker 29: US beef is getting blocked in China, then it's probably

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Speaker 29: good for New Zealand. You know, it's very hard to

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Speaker 29: see how it lands. It is a big strange experiment

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Speaker 29: right now, and you know, let's hope that lands lands

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Speaker 29: fairly well.

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Speaker 22: One.

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Speaker 29: You know, New Zealand economy is quite flexible and the

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Speaker 29: dollar is a sort of a safety valve, the fact

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Speaker 29: that we have a floating dollar and we can it's

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Speaker 29: an economy that sort of self corrects around some of

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Speaker 29: this stuff. So that stuff's positive. If we could just

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Speaker 29: get a bit of growth going at the ground on

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Speaker 29: the ground floor of the economy, they'll be all good.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, check gas, everybody enjoy Lim Dan, the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Heralds Business editor at Lard your News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Your Bee time is nineteen minutes after six, and next

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Speaker 2: we're going to Jamie mckaye. Actually he's got an update

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Speaker 2: on just how good and how great our beef and

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Speaker 2: Lamb is going overseas the exporters.

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Speaker 1: That's next, the Rural Report on hither do for see

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Speaker 1: Allen Drive.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, twenty two minutes after six. Great to have

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Speaker 2: your company, and Jamie mckaye is with us, hoster of

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Speaker 2: the country, Jamie. Good evening, So forgive me Jamie you're there.

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Speaker 2: Good evening to you. Yeah, you got me now, got

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Speaker 2: you now? And the red meat sector doing very very well,

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Speaker 2: back on track for a strong rebound.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, a couple of good news stories out in

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Speaker 25: the last couple of days. We'll start with the red

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Speaker 25: meat then look at the dairy one. So yeah, look.

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Speaker 25: Beef and Lamb New Zealand released their mid season update today.

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Speaker 25: They did it on them on the mid Candary Mount

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Speaker 25: Summer's Farm of the chair of Beef and Lamb New Zealand,

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Speaker 25: Kate Ackland, well known Canterbury farming family, and they're saying

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Speaker 25: that export receipts a force forecast should I say, to

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Speaker 25: increase by one point two billion on last year to

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Speaker 25: reach ten point two billion. So obviously that's up from

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Speaker 25: nine billion the year before. And this is despite overall

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Speaker 25: export volumes dropping, so we're sending away less and getting

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Speaker 25: more for it. Lamb prices a forecast to reach one

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Speaker 25: hundred and fifty five dollars per head. That's up twenty

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Speaker 25: percent from last season, nine percent above the five year average. Mutton,

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Speaker 25: which crashed badly in the past couple of years, expected

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Speaker 25: to rise to ninety dollars per head. This is the

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Speaker 25: old news, of course, seventy percent increase on last year.

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Speaker 25: Cattle prices, as we all know, at the moment, at

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Speaker 25: record levels, and all the all beef rounded out price

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Speaker 25: of six hundred and eighteen cents per kilogram is also

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Speaker 25: a record high. That there's a big rider on that one,

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Speaker 25: obviously with Trump AND's tariffs. Now here's the interesting one.

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Speaker 25: Your average sheep and beef farmer Ryan will make a

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Speaker 25: profit of one hundred and six thousand, five hundred dollars

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Speaker 25: per year. And I'm guessing a lot of people are

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Speaker 25: listening in and thinking that's really good money. Well, it's

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Speaker 25: double last year's profit of fifty six thousand. But just

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Speaker 25: remember from that money that one hundred and six thousand,

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Speaker 25: they've got to pay drawings, tax, capital expenditu are I

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Speaker 25: replacing the tractor or the ut and principal repayments, so

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01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 25: it doesn't actually leave that much and it's still less

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Speaker 25: than the five year average. Just another one fact that

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01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 25: came out today. Every day sheep and beef farmers spend

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01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 25: fifteen million dollars in goods and services, with eighty to

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Speaker 25: ninety percent of that money staying in local communities.

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Speaker 2: No great context act you to put around that for

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Speaker 2: people to understand, Jamie. Now, the dairy modest growth BETWEENY

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Speaker 2: twenty five predicted. This is a Rabobank report, is it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 25: This one out well, it came out today, but we

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Speaker 25: were on to it yesterday. As a result, Ravo Banks

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Speaker 25: listed its milk price forecast upwards by thirty cents ten

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Speaker 25: dollars per kilogram of milk solids. That's where Fonterra and

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Speaker 25: a number of other banks are sitting. In fact, I

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Speaker 25: think ASP don't.

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Speaker 22: Quite this one.

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Speaker 8: There were.

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Speaker 25: Global dairy portally some export regions around the world, Australia,

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01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 25: US obviously, Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, the EU and the US

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Speaker 25: are expected to expand production by only zero point eight percent,

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01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 25: so not much of an increase on world milk production there. Interestingly,

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Speaker 25: twenty twenty four, dairy exports reached a three year high,

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Speaker 25: with sales to China following a similar trend. Now, China

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01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 25: has been off the boil in recent years since COVID,

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Speaker 25: so it's good to see a bit of recovery there.

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01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 25: Milk prices up two dollars on where it was a

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Speaker 25: year ago. That's fantastic. Interstrates dropping, that's fantastic. The only

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01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 25: rider I would add to that one, and it's the weather.

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Speaker 25: You can't do much about that. A lot of the

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01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 25: North Island in particular is very very dry, so there

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Speaker 25: is a risk that milk production could finish abruptly in

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01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 25: the western, Middle and north of the North Island.

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Speaker 2: Jamie, thank you for that update. Jamie mckaye, host of

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Speaker 2: the Country here on news talksb with a couple of

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01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 2: bits of good news from the rural sector this evening

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01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 2: twenty six minutes after six, somebody says, mind, does that

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Speaker 2: mean we we're paying more for our meat with these

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Speaker 2: high sale prices? Well, I mean we do pay Dame

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Speaker 2: with dairy we pay here. Basically the international price don't

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01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 2: mean the trade price. So potentially if there's a shorter

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01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 2: drive the seas and it pumps the price up, then

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Speaker 2: yep it would. What's the Saint May snee and we

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Speaker 2: catch a cold? That sort of thing. That was Jamie McKay.

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Speaker 2: show on Netflix. Oh my gosh. But at the same

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Speaker 2: about that. He's our UK correspondent with us before top

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Speaker 2: of the hour, before seven o'clock. Right now. We have

1594
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Speaker 2: been telling you for weeks there are a couple of

1595
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 2: big risks to the economy. A couple of those roosters

1596
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 2: are coming home to roost. I think I've said that wrong.

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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 2: The risks are policy uncertainty. We've also been talking about

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Speaker 2: excess retail investor enthusiasm, so many more things. Now, where

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Speaker 2: are we at and what does all of it mean

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Speaker 2: for investors? Sam Dicky is with Fisher Fun Sam good

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Speaker 2: eten to you good evening. Tell me equity markets have

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01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 2: fallen what a handful of a percent in the last

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01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. What's going on? What's what are you

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Speaker 2: putting it down to?

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Speaker 31: Yeah, you're right, Ryan, So they have been under a

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Speaker 31: bit of pressure, and it is because several of those

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Speaker 31: risks you and I have been talking about playing out,

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01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 31: rearing the head coming home to roost, as you said.

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Speaker 31: So the exceptional policy uncertainty, so not just the will

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Speaker 31: he won't e tariff noise, but in uncertain year around

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Speaker 31: how the DOGE or Department of Government efficiency inspired federal

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01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 31: government cost cutting could be a drag on the economy.

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01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 31: There's the escalating US versus trying a computer chip bore,

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01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,839
Speaker 31: the extraordinary amount of capital that the largest tech companies

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Speaker 31: in the world are spending right now with uncertain return

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Speaker 31: on that capital. And finally, there's the animal spirits we've

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Speaker 31: talked about, or irrational exuberance that had crept into the

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Speaker 31: market since Trump's election.

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Speaker 2: They seemed to take all the upside of Trump He's

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01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 2: going to cut taxes, he's going to cut regulation, and

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01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 2: ignore all the potential downside, ie the tariffs. It's almost

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01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 2: like the markets didn't really taken seriously that he would

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Speaker 2: actually do it.

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Speaker 31: That's right, I think, you know, memory, muscle memory is powerful.

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Speaker 31: So people remember last time that when he was elected,

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01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 31: everyone was quite bearish, and he actually did a pretty

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01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 31: good job, and equity markets were up sort of twenty

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01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 31: one percent in the year following his election. However, the

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01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 31: starting point, says you say, we're very different. Last time,

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01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 31: the market was much cheaper, expectations were very low, and

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01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 31: he sort of climbed over that pretty low bar. This

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01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 31: time around, expectations were super high, and as you say,

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01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 31: all the upside was priced in without a lot of

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01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 31: the risk, and those risks are kind of manifesting.

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Speaker 13: Now we're right in the thick of it.

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Speaker 7: So if you think about some of those risks.

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Speaker 31: US policy uncertainty as near as high as it's ever

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01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 31: been since we started measuring it sort of fifty years ago.

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01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 31: According to business surveys in the US, US trade policy

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01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 31: is the highest it's ever been. Oh sorry, trade policy

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01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 31: uncertainty is the highest it's been in fifty years. So

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01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 31: set another way, imagine sitting in a boardroom ryan in

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01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 31: the US, Southeast Asia, or even Mexico or candidate and

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01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 31: being asked to sign off on a huge capital project

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01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 31: or a three year strategy document with this type of

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01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 31: sort of fifty year high uncertainty, and at the very

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01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 31: least I think it would give you pause. So when

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01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 31: we think about the drag on the economy, is this

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01:25:56,240 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 31: actually manifesting? It really is its early days. So if

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01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 31: you think of something like economic surprise, which tracks you know,

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01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 31: every piece of key economic data in the US when

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01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 31: it comes out, does it surprise people on the upside

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01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 31: or downside? A couple of months ago, that was surprising

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01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 31: sharply positively. Now that's surprising sharply negatively negatively. So we

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01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 31: might be seeing some of these risks actually start to

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01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 31: manifest in a slow down in growth.

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Speaker 2: Is this at this point having more of a shock

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Speaker 2: to those indicators you're describing than COVID.

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Speaker 31: No, the I think I COVID was a one and

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Speaker 31: one hundred year event and then you know, fifty percent

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Speaker 31: of the world's economy came to a grinding halt.

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Speaker 2: I think this is more mild, much more mild.

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Speaker 31: It's just that, you know, running into this from US,

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Speaker 31: say a month or two ago, expectations were very high.

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Speaker 31: So we had, you know, sentiment gauges, retail sentiment gauges

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Speaker 31: running red hot. We had a lot of irrational exuberance market.

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Speaker 31: As you say, all of the good news that Trump

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01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 31: had talked about was pricing une of the risks. So

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Speaker 31: it's more about the starting point in terms of the

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01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 31: actual drag on the economy versus COVID. That that's much

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01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 31: much more mild.

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Speaker 2: And what does it mean for investors then going forward?

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01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 2: Do you I mean, if you're a business, let's take

1675
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 2: because investors are basing their decisions off what they think

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01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 2: the businesses are going to do. Right, So if you're

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01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 2: in business and you're not wanting to throw your money

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01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: at this, or throw your money at that, or buy

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01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 2: the new plant, or hire a new person because it's uncertain.

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01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 2: I mean, at some point, if uncertainty is constant, you

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01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 2: get used to it and you invest anyway, don't you.

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01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 13: I think that's right.

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01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 31: I think people will at the very least, this will

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01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 31: be an excuse for people who are going to sign

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01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 31: off on a marginal project to take a wait and

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01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 31: see approach.

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Speaker 12: However, I do think and by the way, it never does.

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Speaker 31: Feel good as an investor when these risks are coming

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01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 31: home to roost or plan out, as you said. But

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01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,959
Speaker 31: the good news is there is a lot less irrational

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01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 31: exuberance than the market today than there was it a

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Speaker 31: month ago. So those sentiment engages that were red hot

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01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 31: have gone to more normal. And I guess when you

1694
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 31: think about whether you're going to sign that check or

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01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 31: not for that three year capital project, I do think

1696
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 31: of this uncertainties does start to drag on the economy

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01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 31: too much, and it becomes very evident that to Trump himself,

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01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 31: that he is intentionally hurting the US economy. I do

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01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 31: think that a reasonable base case is that rationality will

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01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 31: prevail and maybe some of these things will be reversed,

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01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 31: and we saw that again last night when he buttoned

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01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 31: off again on these tariffs and the stock market rally

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01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 31: very sharply. So for now, the good news is that

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01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 31: a lot of these risks we're talking about are coming

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01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,560
Speaker 31: home to roost. They have partially played out, and the

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01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,679
Speaker 31: sentiment has gone from red hot over at SKIS to sort.

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Speaker 2: Of more normal, Sam. Thank you for that really interesting stuff, Sam.

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Speaker 2: He wants to remove most of the current directors. Concern

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Speaker 2: is now growing amongst journalists and staff about a possible

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Speaker 2: move or a shift in editorial direction. Michael Wood is

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Speaker 2: the negotiation specialist at E two. He's with me tonight. Hi, Michael, Hi,

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Speaker 2: what role are you playing here?

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Speaker 23: Well, as you can imagine, this is a significant interest

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Speaker 23: to our members. So many of the journalists at NZDME

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Speaker 23: and as the union who represents them. We're working through

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Speaker 23: this issue with them, and I think it's fair to

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Speaker 23: say that the primary primary concern here is to ensure

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Speaker 23: that journalists are able to continue doing their job with

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Speaker 23: genuine editorial independence, without fear or favor. And the concern

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Speaker 23: here is that we clearly have an individual who is

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Speaker 23: highly motivated to take control of a major media entity

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Speaker 23: in New Zealand, who is doing so quite clearly with

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Speaker 23: the intent of promulgating a particular political perspective, and there

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Speaker 23: are real concerns about what that might mean for the

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Speaker 23: editorial independence of journalists are at dyeament.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, this has a process to go through. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you can't just overtake a board, right, so there's a

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Speaker 2: process that that has to go through, and there will

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Speaker 2: be other investors who will have to decide on this.

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Speaker 23: That's right. There's clearly a commercial process which is playing

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Speaker 23: out here. But again, one of the concerns here is

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Speaker 23: it's pretty cloak and daggers. When this individual originally took

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Speaker 23: a stake in the company last week, the comments he

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Speaker 23: may rule about dampening down any suggestion that there was

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Speaker 23: a bigger play here and then this week, of course,

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Speaker 23: we have learned that there is in fact a bigger play,

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Speaker 23: which is a move to potentially try and take over

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Speaker 23: the board and to install other people like minded people,

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Speaker 23: and some names have been reported on in that respect.

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Speaker 23: So there's not any openness or transparency here. There has

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Speaker 23: been no commitment made by mister Greennan to those principles

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Speaker 23: of editorial independence, which is critical. I remember we're talking

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Speaker 23: about one of the major media organizations in New Zealand.

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Speaker 23: It has a huge impact on our public discourse in

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Speaker 23: New Zealand. Held has often been thought of as New

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Speaker 23: Zealand's paper of record, and we've never had a situation

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Speaker 23: where a particular individual with a lot of money and

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Speaker 23: a lot of power and a lot of influence has said, yeah,

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Speaker 23: I want that, and I want it because I want

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Speaker 23: to get my views out there. This is new territory

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Speaker 23: for New Zealand and we don't think that would be

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Speaker 23: healthy for our media environment.

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Speaker 2: We don't know, of course, any of this yet. This

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Speaker 2: is speculation.

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Speaker 23: Well, mister Greennan has purchased a significant stake. He has

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Speaker 23: gone on record today as saying that he wants to

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Speaker 23: create a position whereby he installs a majority of board members.

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Speaker 23: He has made a claim that he has support of

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Speaker 23: thirty seven percent of shareholders for that plan. As you

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Speaker 23: said before, there's clearly a corporate process which is playing

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Speaker 23: out here, but he has now laid out a very

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Speaker 23: clear plan in this area. And the background to that

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Speaker 23: as well is that Miss Greenham has engaged in the

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Speaker 23: New Zealand media environment. He has set up a publication

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Speaker 23: a network previously called The Centrist was a specific goal

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Speaker 23: about influencing the public discourse in New Zealand. So this

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Speaker 23: doesn't seem like an individual who is going in simply

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Speaker 23: because he wants to make a commercial investment, which is

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Speaker 23: what we normally get in the media environment. Mister Greenhand

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Speaker 23: appears to be an individual who wants to make this

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Speaker 23: investment and wants to have this influence on the board

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Speaker 23: to push a particular agenda. And that's what makes us

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Speaker 23: different and worrying to other changes in court prom media

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Speaker 23: ownership that we've seen.

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Speaker 3: Over the years.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Michael, I really appreciate you coming on the program.

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Speaker 2: Michael Wood, who's a negotiation specialist at the Air two Union.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and who Mayor's Insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future Newstalks.

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Speaker 2: V while the Seven News Talks. BN de Brady is

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Speaker 2: our Europe and UK correspondent and a good evening to you.

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Speaker 13: Hey, Ryan, good to speak to again.

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Speaker 2: Really tragic story somebody has died. Is that a child

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Speaker 2: has died after a car in it up on a

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Speaker 2: rugby pitch.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, this is absolutely shocking. Now immediately we're told by

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Speaker 28: the police it's not terror related. There's very little else

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Speaker 28: other information, but it's happened in the town of Kendall.

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Speaker 28: Now Kendall is a regional town. It's in Cumbria. It's

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Speaker 28: up in the far northwest of England, next up Scotland.

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Speaker 28: Basically Cumbria is beautiful. It has the lakes up there

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Speaker 28: and a key part at the heart of the community

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Speaker 28: in Kendall is the Rugby Union Club. Now I'm told

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Speaker 28: there was under sixteens and just before five pm a

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Speaker 28: black BMW quite high speed picks were driven onto the pitch.

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Speaker 28: Now it collided with two boys. We're told that one

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Speaker 28: is dead and one is injured. A four year old

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Speaker 28: driver has been arrested at the scene. That is as

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Speaker 28: much whuch as we know, and there is a cordon

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Speaker 28: up there. The whole Still Be Club put a very

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Speaker 28: very brief statement saying they're cooperating with the police investigation.

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Speaker 28: But looking at the pictures, there is no reason for

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Speaker 28: a black BMW to be driving onto a rugby pitch.

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Speaker 28: So the town is devastated and as I say, a

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Speaker 28: young child dead. There was training from the fourties and

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Speaker 28: under sixteen, so that will give you an idea of

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Speaker 28: the age group.

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Speaker 2: Possibly terrible. Now let's talk about this lunch package meal

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Speaker 2: you can get from a UK supermarket. So they've got

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Speaker 2: a lunch meal deal including a zero beer. What's wrong

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Speaker 2: with that?

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Speaker 28: Yes, well the big question is acceptable to be drinking

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Speaker 28: beers at work, regardless of whether it's zero or a

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Speaker 28: real one. So one of the major retailers has come

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Speaker 28: out this week changing the rules around its lunchtime meal

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Speaker 28: deal offering.

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Speaker 13: So you get these meal deals.

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Speaker 28: I'm sure it's the same in New Zealand sandwich bagg

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Speaker 28: of crisps and a soft drink for you know, six

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Speaker 28: pounds twelve dollars roughly. And they've come out this week

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Speaker 28: Sainsbury's and said that amongst all the drinks on offer,

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Speaker 28: they'll now offer you the choice of a couple of

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Speaker 28: non alcoholic lagers to choose from.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 13: Debrettes is the execute guy this week, saying that it

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Speaker 13: just looks desperate that if you see a colleague in

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Speaker 13: the office drinking a non alcoholic beer half past twelve,

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Speaker 13: do not they want a real one. And it's sparked

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Speaker 13: quite a conversation here I have to say in all honeste, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, we'll live at the Thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: the Indo Bradio Europe and UK correspondent. Time has just

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Speaker 2: gone nine minutes away from seven. Apologies about netline there.

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Speaker 2: I've got the statement from insid ME. This is to

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Speaker 2: the Indian ets today. Also I've got a statement from

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Speaker 2: Grennan himself, well thrown intermediary about what exactly he is

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Speaker 2: trying to do. We'll get to those before the end

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Speaker 2: of the program at seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the hither due to see Alan Drive full show

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Speaker 1: US on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 2: News Talks VB. It is coming up to seven o'clock,

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Speaker 2: just gone four minutes too. So this is a statement

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Speaker 2: from enz ME today to the Stock Exchange because obviously

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Speaker 2: it's a listed company, owns the Herald and owns newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 2: They say that Jim Grennan this is the Canadian billionaire

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Speaker 2: who now lives in Auckland in his own right and

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Speaker 2: through his entity JTG four Limited or JTG, which contains

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Speaker 2: a proposal to remove all of the current board directors

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Speaker 2: of nz ME and nominations for the appointment of four

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Speaker 2: new directors to the NZME board to be voted on

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Speaker 2: at the upcoming annual shareholders meetings. So that is yet

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Speaker 2: to take place now. He and his letter. By the way,

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Speaker 2: he's the one that brought in just over nine percent

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Speaker 2: of the company last week, so he says he holds

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Speaker 2: approximately thirty seven Percent's got confidence from thirty seven percent

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Speaker 2: of shareholders. So you add to that his roughly ten percent,

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Speaker 2: that's forty seven. So he needs to get over fifty

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Speaker 2: in order.

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Speaker 26: To do this.

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Speaker 2: That's the kind of state of play. But there's a

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Speaker 2: shareholders meeting that will go ahead and they'll work all

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Speaker 2: that out. I'm sure five away from seven and it's

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Speaker 2: what are we going out to tonight?

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Speaker 15: Clocks by cole Player players out tonight, Ryan So, Chris

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Speaker 15: Martin and Phil Harvey of Coleplay have confirmed that they

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Speaker 15: have been working with FIFA to plan the first ever

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Speaker 15: halftime show for the FIFA World Cup Final, which will

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Speaker 15: be at the World Cup next year, the finals on

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Speaker 15: July nineteenth at the MetLife Stadium in New Jersey. So

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Speaker 15: we don't know where the Coldplay will actually be playing

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Speaker 15: in this halftime show, but they are working to apparently

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Speaker 15: decide who is going to be playing. And surely they'll

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Speaker 15: I mean, surely you rate yourself, wouldn't you be like, well,

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Speaker 15: I mean I've got a band like I can, I'm available,

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Speaker 15: you know.

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Speaker 2: Well, so they're not like what are they consultants now,

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Speaker 2: not musicians? Surely they would be the ones performing.

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Speaker 15: Well. Yeah, again, we'll see. But does the FIFA World

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Speaker 15: Cup Final really need a halftime show? That's that's the

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Speaker 15: that's the real question.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true they'll have to extend the half time,

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Speaker 2: which will well, man.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean football is usually pretty good about that.

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Speaker 15: Maybe it'll be a really quick.

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Speaker 2: One yeah, quick one cold half of Coldplay. Thank you answer,

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Speaker 2: Thank you everybody for all of your texts and your feedback.

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Speaker 2: Very much enjoyed it and very much enjoyed today. We'll

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Speaker 2: see you and do it all again tomorrow.

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Speaker 30: Where Are Wants? Where are Want? Where are Wants It?

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Speaker 30: Where Are Wants?

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