WEBVTT - Leighton Smith Podcast #268 - December 4th 2024 - Nick Cater

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to podcast two hundred and sixty eight four December four,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. Nick Cator who has made numerous podcast

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<v Speaker 2>appearances over the last six years, and there were discussions

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<v Speaker 2>we had on radio starting in twenty thirteen through to

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<v Speaker 2>the end of twenty eighteen. Nick is a journalist and writer,

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<v Speaker 2>essentially an analyst and commentator. He's a mixture of all.

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<v Speaker 2>His life has undergone some restructuring in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen him on Sky News all around Australia. I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen him on Sky News from Romania, from London and

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<v Speaker 2>some other places that I failed to remember. Now to

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<v Speaker 2>include him before the end of twenty four we had

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<v Speaker 2>to pick a time and date that suited us both.

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<v Speaker 2>So a few days ago, on the eve of Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 2>we connected in New York and the idea from my

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<v Speaker 2>perspective was to target Australia from different perspectives. With the

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<v Speaker 2>underlying intent on information for would be migrants or immigrants

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<v Speaker 2>from this country. So the discussion ranged through problems facing Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>power supply being maybe the most important, which meant including

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear power, politics obviously, education, housing, race relations, anti Semitism,

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<v Speaker 2>health and hospital care, and that gets even more discussion

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<v Speaker 2>after the interview, the ten most dangerous cities and other matters,

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<v Speaker 2>and finally we've finished up with well having a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of fun expense of the media. As usual, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a relaxed and interesting conversation. But first years ago I

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<v Speaker 2>tagged Aukland Transport as the best example New Zealand has

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<v Speaker 2>of the administrative state, and it proved to be a

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<v Speaker 2>correct description. The term administrative state to me means essentially

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<v Speaker 2>unelected bureaucrats making the rules rather than elected representatives of

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<v Speaker 2>the people. So in New Zealand that means our single

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<v Speaker 2>chamber of Parliament and local councils, members of which can

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<v Speaker 2>be held accountable by the voting public. Now, in one

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<v Speaker 2>of those coincidences that I thrive on, I can provide

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<v Speaker 2>an even better definition of the administrative state. Roger Kimball

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<v Speaker 2>is a thinker and writer who I admire yesterday I

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<v Speaker 2>read an article that he wrote a couple of days ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was called what is the administrative State? And

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<v Speaker 2>here is part of what he wrote. The administrative state

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<v Speaker 2>is that quota of political power that covertly fills the

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<v Speaker 2>vacuum left and this is very important, left by the

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<v Speaker 2>failure of the legislative branch to discharge its obligations. Two

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<v Speaker 2>things are critical. One is the displacement of sovereignty. No

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<v Speaker 2>longer are the people sovereign. The bureaucracy is. The second

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<v Speaker 2>critical thing is the covert nature of the enterprise. The

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<v Speaker 2>question what is the administrative state can seem difficult to

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<v Speaker 2>answer because it's not supposed to exist in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it only by its actions. You can't look

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<v Speaker 2>it up in the statute book, much less in the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 2>The very fact of the administrative state violates any number

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<v Speaker 2>of constitutional norms, not least its being a sort of

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<v Speaker 2>fourth branch of government when the Constitution provides for only three. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that is restricted more to them and not so inclusive

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<v Speaker 2>of us. However, the points are still relevant. The shadowy

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<v Speaker 2>nature of the administrative state helps to explain why it

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<v Speaker 2>is so hostile to free speech and by the same token,

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<v Speaker 2>why it tends to be receptive to the deployment of

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<v Speaker 2>censorship and police power to achieve its ends and stymy

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<v Speaker 2>the ends of its critics. That's why the rise of

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<v Speaker 2>the administrative state goes hand in hand with the loss

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<v Speaker 2>of public confidence in society's guiding institutions. Talk of democracy

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<v Speaker 2>is ever on their lips. Swat teams, prosecutor abuse and

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<v Speaker 2>lawfare are out on the street for all to see.

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<v Speaker 2>The bottom line, the age of the administrative state is,

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time an age of declining legitimacy in

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<v Speaker 2>the foundational institutions of civil society. That last sentence is

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<v Speaker 2>applicable here as as well as anywhere. Little further on,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, I have not yet answered the question posed

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<v Speaker 2>in my title, what is the administrative state? A friend

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<v Speaker 2>asked me that in the course of our conversation about

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<v Speaker 2>my column last week. He said, isn't it possible that

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<v Speaker 2>the administrative state, like its scarier sounding cousin deep state,

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<v Speaker 2>is just a polysyllabic synonym for state for the complex

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<v Speaker 2>activities of government in a complex, technologically advanced polity. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the administrative state is just an invention of right wing

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theorists who find goblins where there are only harmless bureaucrats. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Roger Kimball's response to that was, well, it can be

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<v Speaker 2>reduced to this conspiracy theorist. And that's a phrase that

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<v Speaker 2>is wheeled out when the aim is to end, not

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<v Speaker 2>further the conversation. The problem is not conspiracy theories, but

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracies in fact. It's a line we should all remember

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<v Speaker 2>because we can use it probably frequently. The problem is

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<v Speaker 2>not conspiracy theories, but conspiracies in fact. Now, in case

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<v Speaker 2>you're wondering why this, here's the answer. Yesterday, Auckland Transport

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<v Speaker 2>will be surgically changed to restore democratic control for transport

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<v Speaker 2>issues in Auckland, according to the Transport Minister Simeon Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>He and the Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown declared that they

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<v Speaker 2>were taking back control of Auckland Transport by stripping the

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<v Speaker 2>unpopular council body of its policy, strategy and planning functions

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<v Speaker 2>and moving them to the Auckland Council. Wayne Brown said

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<v Speaker 2>having at focused on running the buses, trains and ferries

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<v Speaker 2>is what they should be doing, declaring it to be

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<v Speaker 2>a very good result. Simeon Brown said the existing transport

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<v Speaker 2>governance model in Auckland is falling short of meeting under statement,

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<v Speaker 2>short of meeting the expectations of the government, Auckland Council

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<v Speaker 2>and most importantly, Auckland is themselves. By returning decision making

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<v Speaker 2>power to elected representatives, we are enabling Aucklanders to directly

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<v Speaker 2>influence the transport policies that affect their daily lives. That

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<v Speaker 2>is true in how should we say principle, All we

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<v Speaker 2>have to do is get off our butts and make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that we're heard. And I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people up till relatively recently attempted to do that and

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<v Speaker 2>basically got nowhere. And I've mentioned stories in the past

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<v Speaker 2>of people who've told me of presentations they made to

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<v Speaker 2>at at public meetings only to get dumped on. Now

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<v Speaker 2>after the mail room, I've connected a couple of different issues,

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<v Speaker 2>three in fact, but connected issues remedical, nursing and health,

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<v Speaker 2>and I recommend that you don't miss them now in

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<v Speaker 2>a moment. Nick cater Leverx is an antihistamine made in

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<v Speaker 2>Switzerland to the highest quality. Leverix relieves hay fever and

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<v Speaker 2>skin allergies or itchy skin. It's a dual action antihistamine

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<v Speaker 2>and has a unique nasal decongestant action. It's fast acting

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<v Speaker 2>for fast relief and it works in under an hour

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<v Speaker 2>and lasts for over twenty four hours. Leverix is a

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<v Speaker 2>tiny tablet that unblocks the nose, deals with itchy eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>and stops sneezing. Leveris is an antihistamine made in Switzerland

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<v Speaker 2>to the highest quality. So next time you're in need

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<v Speaker 2>of an effective antihistamine, call into the pharmacy and ask

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<v Speaker 2>for Leverix l e v Rix Leverix and always read

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<v Speaker 2>the label. Takes directed and if symptoms persist, see your

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<v Speaker 2>health professional. Farmer broker Auckland Layton Smith Nick Cata has

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<v Speaker 2>been on the podcast on numerous occasions over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a very good friend of the podcast and

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<v Speaker 2>a good friend of mine. And it's great to welcome

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<v Speaker 2>you back because we have not spoken this year and

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<v Speaker 2>it was time to rectify it. And here we are

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<v Speaker 2>talking to you via your phone, which of course some

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<v Speaker 2>is locked into Sydney and you're in New York. What

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing there?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm here for conference by the International Democratic Union, which

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<v Speaker 3>is an organization of conservative parties from around the world,

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<v Speaker 3>including the National Party in New Zealand to get together

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<v Speaker 3>and discuss conservatism and how to win these battles. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's what I'm here for mainly, and also to visit

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<v Speaker 3>a nuclear power plant plant in Toronto or in nearby

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<v Speaker 3>Toronto in Ontario, which is one Australia could look at

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<v Speaker 3>as a possible model. But I think we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>come to that later on.

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<v Speaker 2>We yes, we will come to that later. Very good.

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<v Speaker 2>So how was your quote a slip?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know whether this is too much chit

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<v Speaker 3>chat for early in the podcast laden, but they, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they always think that you can tran you can change

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<v Speaker 3>the flight in an hour and a half having arrived

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<v Speaker 3>in America. I don't know why, because it takes you

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<v Speaker 3>an hour and a half to get through the passport

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<v Speaker 3>cure alone. It'll reclaim your badget anyway. All up, they

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<v Speaker 3>gave me nine hours in Dallas Airport, which is not

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<v Speaker 3>a bad airport, but it is an airport.

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<v Speaker 2>Airports are airports. Yes, Indeed, what would you say was

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest problem or if you want the biggest problems

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<v Speaker 2>confronting Australia, because every country, it seems now has some issues.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we have plenty. It's hard to put them

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<v Speaker 3>in order because they're all big. But I would say

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<v Speaker 3>a top of my mind at the moment is economic

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<v Speaker 3>management and the fact that we've been living off two

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<v Speaker 3>decades really of mining boom and getting pretty lazy and

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<v Speaker 3>not doing the things which we have to do to

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<v Speaker 3>keep our economy competitive Keith. Amongst those is productivity. Productivity

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<v Speaker 3>has gone backwards. And then on top of that you've

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<v Speaker 3>got the rise of the green lobby, particularly the Green

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<v Speaker 3>Tape and now Black tape, which is the indigenous legislation

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<v Speaker 3>and is things you have to comply with, which means

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<v Speaker 3>that it's almost impossible to start a new mine or

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<v Speaker 3>drill for gas in Australia, and that of course is

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<v Speaker 3>the like blood of our economy. So I really do

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<v Speaker 3>fear for the place, particularly as this starts to kick

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<v Speaker 3>in in the next ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Hasn't it already started well either.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing about these mining investment decisions is that there

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<v Speaker 3>are at least a decade or a decade and a

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<v Speaker 3>half to come to fruition. So I think it is

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<v Speaker 3>the next generation that are going to feel it. There'll

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<v Speaker 3>be fewer opportunities for them because we don't have that

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<v Speaker 3>pioneering quality to us anymore, and particularly the legal institutions

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<v Speaker 3>have become very very woke, very you save the planet

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<v Speaker 3>sort of a focus rather than looking at the law.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, mining deals are held up for a

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<v Speaker 3>long long time if they get through at all. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 3>there are still companies that are prepared to fight and

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<v Speaker 3>go through that process and hope that perhaps we can

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<v Speaker 3>get a government that can smooth things out and really

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<v Speaker 3>accelerate investment in this country in the right things.

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<v Speaker 2>How big is DEI in Australia Now, it's pretty big.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's quite as in say the States,

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<v Speaker 3>but I see in the States where I am at

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<v Speaker 3>the moment, is you say, where things are turning pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's a big backlash. I saw Walmart only

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<v Speaker 3>yesterday dropped a lot of their DEI policies. So companies

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<v Speaker 3>are beginning to drop them, and I think they will

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<v Speaker 3>in Australia. But they certainly They certainly do drive appointments

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<v Speaker 3>in big corporations, which means you're not necessarily appointing on

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<v Speaker 3>memic or pointing on some quality about them their gender

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<v Speaker 3>or the color or race or something. You know, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's big in universities, of course, so it is. It's

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<v Speaker 3>really entrenched, and I think we somehow have to get

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<v Speaker 3>beyond that thinking and go back to the idea we

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<v Speaker 3>just want the best people for the jobs, or the

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<v Speaker 3>best students going to university.

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<v Speaker 2>What a surprise I heard a little earlier this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of conversation with I missed. I missed a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it because I was getting in the shower,

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<v Speaker 2>but a conversation with a guy whose name I seem

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<v Speaker 2>to recall as being Jimmy Starbuck or something very similar,

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<v Speaker 2>who has taken up the caudule, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>his methodology, but has had huge success in destroying DEI

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<v Speaker 2>in companies, and a lot of the companies that provide

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<v Speaker 2>the DEI service are closing down. There was one in

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<v Speaker 2>particular where the woman said, we're just we're just being

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<v Speaker 2>wiped out. We can't I've got to close the doors.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. We can't get any work. And that's because

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<v Speaker 2>of because of this guy. Now, my name for him

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<v Speaker 2>might be slightly wrong, because I know it's it's it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds a bit fanciful, but it is a fanciful name.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it's Starbus. I'm not sure about the Jimmy anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>but you get you get the picture. So there is

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<v Speaker 2>a growing success in pushback on the EI in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Now my question then becomes, that's where it came from

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<v Speaker 2>in the first place, so and then and then rippled

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<v Speaker 2>out to the rest of the world, including here, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>is it going to be automatically does it automatically follow

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<v Speaker 2>that the collapse in our countries?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, pretty this way late, and I'm pretty confident now

0:14:40.293 --> 0:14:42.893
<v Speaker 3>we've reached peak woke. I wouldn't have said that six

0:14:42.933 --> 0:14:45.773
<v Speaker 3>months ago, but I am now. And you can see

0:14:45.813 --> 0:14:48.493
<v Speaker 3>it in the States with DEI, as you say, and

0:14:48.493 --> 0:14:51.053
<v Speaker 3>they have been well. Two material things have happened in

0:14:51.053 --> 0:14:54.213
<v Speaker 3>the States. One was the Supreme Court decision I think

0:14:54.213 --> 0:14:58.853
<v Speaker 3>it was last year that overturned the preferential treatment for

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<v Speaker 3>on the grounds of race in university admissions and positive

0:15:03.653 --> 0:15:07.293
<v Speaker 3>discriminations they call it. So that was a material thing

0:15:07.333 --> 0:15:09.653
<v Speaker 3>which shook up the inniverse. The other thing, of course,

0:15:09.733 --> 0:15:13.133
<v Speaker 3>is Donald Trump. You know, it matters a lot who

0:15:13.173 --> 0:15:16.293
<v Speaker 3>your president is and who your administration is run by,

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<v Speaker 3>because they can pull the levers and order a whole

0:15:19.613 --> 0:15:23.893
<v Speaker 3>lot of things. And there's talk of Trump defunding American

0:15:23.973 --> 0:15:27.613
<v Speaker 3>universities if they carry on with their DEI policies. So

0:15:27.733 --> 0:15:30.573
<v Speaker 3>that's happened here and there's definitely a feeling and people

0:15:30.613 --> 0:15:33.453
<v Speaker 3>are writing about it quite confidently that this is peag woke.

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<v Speaker 3>The SAME's true in Australia. Two things happened there. One

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<v Speaker 3>is the Voice referendum, which happened at the very date

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<v Speaker 3>November fourteen last year, the day of your election. Of course,

0:15:44.973 --> 0:15:48.853
<v Speaker 3>we voted sixty forty against an Aboriginal voice to Parliament.

0:15:49.093 --> 0:15:52.933
<v Speaker 3>And although that was a referendum on a specific constitutional proposal,

0:15:53.453 --> 0:15:56.053
<v Speaker 3>people really took it really as a referendum on woke

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<v Speaker 3>and it's had a big effect and people are being

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<v Speaker 3>more confident to speak out about things that they might

0:16:02.693 --> 0:16:05.933
<v Speaker 3>have thought, well, get them into trouble eighteen months ago.

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<v Speaker 3>So it has been a change in the climate. And

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<v Speaker 3>again with the Albanesi government in trouble and the Pospulity

0:16:12.213 --> 0:16:15.573
<v Speaker 3>Coalition government think things are changing.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you think of one CEO of a of a

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<v Speaker 2>decent sized company who has taken a stand against it

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<v Speaker 2>from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>In Australia, Yeah, I'm racking my bones now. Well, I

0:16:30.573 --> 0:16:35.933
<v Speaker 3>suppose somebody like Gina Reinhardt, who's the well the the

0:16:36.013 --> 0:16:40.253
<v Speaker 3>owner of Hancock Search as the big mining and pastoral company.

0:16:40.293 --> 0:16:43.253
<v Speaker 3>She's Australia's richest woman. She's been strongly against it from

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<v Speaker 3>the start. But because she's she's not not a listed company.

0:16:46.493 --> 0:16:48.213
<v Speaker 3>You know, I think when you have a listed company,

0:16:48.253 --> 0:16:51.653
<v Speaker 3>the dynamics are different, and you know, you start having

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<v Speaker 3>to buy by all sorts of rules from the stock

0:16:56.733 --> 0:16:59.133
<v Speaker 3>market about how you should run your company and how

0:16:59.173 --> 0:17:03.533
<v Speaker 3>you should report. So it'd be very few, if any publicly.

0:17:03.733 --> 0:17:07.053
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I know some privately voiced concerns about it,

0:17:07.853 --> 0:17:11.573
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, I think it'll come though later, because you

0:17:11.653 --> 0:17:15.893
<v Speaker 3>see the backlash every time they take a woke star stance.

0:17:15.973 --> 0:17:19.333
<v Speaker 3>It was a massive backlash against WARS last year when

0:17:19.373 --> 0:17:23.493
<v Speaker 3>they decided they weren't going to sell any Australia Day merchandise.

0:17:24.213 --> 0:17:26.293
<v Speaker 3>It was a serious drop in sales for them for

0:17:26.333 --> 0:17:30.013
<v Speaker 3>a short while there and they had to basically come

0:17:30.613 --> 0:17:34.333
<v Speaker 3>very contritely and say, look, we regret that decision. So

0:17:34.373 --> 0:17:36.533
<v Speaker 3>there is a backlash now, and you do see it

0:17:37.213 --> 0:17:40.933
<v Speaker 3>when they try too hard in the DII area.

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<v Speaker 2>So two things. Then, going back to the only person

0:17:44.773 --> 0:17:46.733
<v Speaker 2>I can think of and I did interview him a

0:17:46.773 --> 0:17:49.373
<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago. It was Jerry Harvey. Oh yes,

0:17:49.733 --> 0:17:53.893
<v Speaker 2>and basically Jerry said screw you, yes, as far as

0:17:53.893 --> 0:17:56.453
<v Speaker 2>that was concerned. But there is a guy who is

0:17:56.933 --> 0:18:00.653
<v Speaker 2>very wealthy, very successful, a mind of his own and

0:18:00.773 --> 0:18:06.613
<v Speaker 2>doesn't rely on the support of anybody that matters for

0:18:06.653 --> 0:18:10.413
<v Speaker 2>his company to keep being successful. So he's got the

0:18:10.813 --> 0:18:13.573
<v Speaker 2>he's got the courage from from a couple of areas,

0:18:13.573 --> 0:18:16.853
<v Speaker 2>but I would suggest it comes from deep down inside

0:18:16.933 --> 0:18:20.733
<v Speaker 2>him where he has been successful and all sorts of

0:18:20.733 --> 0:18:24.133
<v Speaker 2>things over the years. He's just yeah, and he's just

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<v Speaker 2>confident exactly.

0:18:26.693 --> 0:18:29.933
<v Speaker 3>And their chain of stores, having normand chain is very

0:18:29.933 --> 0:18:33.213
<v Speaker 3>big in regional Australia. That's a big part of their

0:18:33.253 --> 0:18:36.733
<v Speaker 3>market and it would resonate, you know, that sort of

0:18:36.773 --> 0:18:40.533
<v Speaker 3>down to earth, no nonsense attitude resonates there. So I

0:18:40.573 --> 0:18:44.813
<v Speaker 3>think it's what's good for Jerry's sense of the sense

0:18:44.853 --> 0:18:48.053
<v Speaker 3>of sanity is also good for his business.

0:18:48.373 --> 0:18:51.493
<v Speaker 2>Like that of sense of sanity, and of course some

0:18:52.293 --> 0:18:56.373
<v Speaker 2>having Ormonds is big here too. So is there anything

0:18:56.413 --> 0:18:58.053
<v Speaker 2>else that you would put on the list? Well, there

0:18:58.093 --> 0:19:03.973
<v Speaker 2>must be of matters confronting Australia that are causing grief.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that, and this lies behind the DEI

0:19:08.533 --> 0:19:12.693
<v Speaker 3>woke nonsense, is really a lack of conscious pride in

0:19:12.693 --> 0:19:15.813
<v Speaker 3>the country anymore, an understanding of who we are and

0:19:15.853 --> 0:19:20.693
<v Speaker 3>what we are. And this is manifesting itself in the

0:19:20.933 --> 0:19:26.413
<v Speaker 3>dreadful Jewish hatred which has erupted and been allowed to flourish.

0:19:26.533 --> 0:19:29.013
<v Speaker 3>And the government has been very weak on that and

0:19:29.053 --> 0:19:33.293
<v Speaker 3>that's not helped at all. You know, we've had only

0:19:33.373 --> 0:19:40.053
<v Speaker 3>last week a serious attack on a Jewish residential area

0:19:40.373 --> 0:19:44.293
<v Speaker 3>in western Sydney, Eastern Sydney, sorry area you would know

0:19:44.413 --> 0:19:51.093
<v Speaker 3>very well, and cars were graffited with obscene graffiti about Israel.

0:19:51.333 --> 0:19:54.093
<v Speaker 3>One we set a light damage was committed to buildings

0:19:54.893 --> 0:19:58.173
<v Speaker 3>and the most alban easy, the alban easy the Prime

0:19:58.173 --> 0:20:00.533
<v Speaker 3>Minister could do, was to come out and say this

0:20:00.693 --> 0:20:04.733
<v Speaker 3>is disturbing, like if you couldn't think of a more limp,

0:20:05.013 --> 0:20:09.613
<v Speaker 3>weak adjective to describe a dreadful hate crime like that

0:20:09.653 --> 0:20:13.653
<v Speaker 3>which had struck fear into the Jewish community who feel

0:20:13.733 --> 0:20:17.733
<v Speaker 3>under threat. And so I think that that breakdown, what

0:20:17.733 --> 0:20:19.813
<v Speaker 3>we're seeing with the anti seminism is just part of

0:20:19.813 --> 0:20:23.653
<v Speaker 3>a broader breakdown of the social fabric. A lot of

0:20:24.093 --> 0:20:27.133
<v Speaker 3>confidence and pride in who we are as a nation.

0:20:28.133 --> 0:20:32.493
<v Speaker 3>That's very I find that very troubling and in the

0:20:32.573 --> 0:20:34.893
<v Speaker 3>long term I think that's very bad for the country.

0:20:35.133 --> 0:20:39.773
<v Speaker 2>Alban Easy is arguably one of your biggest problems, if

0:20:39.813 --> 0:20:45.373
<v Speaker 2>not the biggest. There's been plenty of criticism, but across

0:20:45.453 --> 0:20:48.933
<v Speaker 2>this side of the Tasman, of course, Luxen has been

0:20:49.853 --> 0:20:53.413
<v Speaker 2>on the receiving end of some pretty vicious commentary of late.

0:20:54.413 --> 0:20:57.653
<v Speaker 2>The question is the question is going to be extend

0:20:57.693 --> 0:21:00.773
<v Speaker 2>that last comment of it because we have been going

0:21:00.813 --> 0:21:04.493
<v Speaker 2>through just in the last few days, ever since the

0:21:05.493 --> 0:21:09.373
<v Speaker 2>so called harker in Parliament, we have been going through

0:21:09.453 --> 0:21:14.973
<v Speaker 2>some pretty critical times with regard to discussion and there

0:21:14.973 --> 0:21:17.133
<v Speaker 2>are things that there are things that need to be

0:21:17.293 --> 0:21:20.453
<v Speaker 2>said that are not really being said well enough at

0:21:20.533 --> 0:21:23.373
<v Speaker 2>least to deal with the issues that are at hand.

0:21:24.093 --> 0:21:26.413
<v Speaker 2>And you've got yours, We've got ours, but they are

0:21:26.533 --> 0:21:34.333
<v Speaker 2>all race based. Now you can't claim, of course, that

0:21:33.013 --> 0:21:36.493
<v Speaker 2>there is anything to do with immigration as far as

0:21:37.293 --> 0:21:42.373
<v Speaker 2>the Mary contingent are concerned. But when it comes to

0:21:42.533 --> 0:21:46.413
<v Speaker 2>the anti Semitism, there has been a substantial amount of

0:21:46.413 --> 0:21:49.493
<v Speaker 2>that here. It is a case of in its time

0:21:49.533 --> 0:21:53.373
<v Speaker 2>it was confronted a case of allowing the wrong people

0:21:53.453 --> 0:21:55.973
<v Speaker 2>into the country. The last time that I recall that

0:21:56.013 --> 0:21:58.093
<v Speaker 2>you had something like that in the eastern suburbs of

0:21:58.133 --> 0:22:03.013
<v Speaker 2>Sydney was back in the let me think sixties and seventies,

0:22:04.533 --> 0:22:07.733
<v Speaker 2>when Yugoslavia broke up and the immigrants that came into

0:22:07.773 --> 0:22:11.333
<v Speaker 2>the country brought their problems with them, and there were

0:22:11.453 --> 0:22:14.093
<v Speaker 2>buildings set on fire, there were bashings, and I think

0:22:14.093 --> 0:22:15.493
<v Speaker 2>they might have even met a death or two.

0:22:15.933 --> 0:22:18.413
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, and I think but much of that I

0:22:18.453 --> 0:22:24.093
<v Speaker 3>think was violence and tension between ethnic groups estentially, particularly

0:22:24.173 --> 0:22:26.733
<v Speaker 3>the Serbs and the Croats in that case. So now

0:22:26.773 --> 0:22:31.613
<v Speaker 3>it's quite different. What you're seeing is people bringing their

0:22:31.813 --> 0:22:35.973
<v Speaker 3>troubles from around the world, bringing their dated, historical grievances

0:22:36.053 --> 0:22:39.373
<v Speaker 3>to this country and wanting to fight them out here.

0:22:39.453 --> 0:22:41.213
<v Speaker 3>And I say, well, you don't do that, and we

0:22:41.253 --> 0:22:43.333
<v Speaker 3>should have be very clear. If we just have much

0:22:43.333 --> 0:22:47.173
<v Speaker 3>more clarity from our Prime Minister and other leaders, that's sorry.

0:22:47.253 --> 0:22:51.133
<v Speaker 3>That part of the deal about becoming an Australian citizen,

0:22:51.173 --> 0:22:53.413
<v Speaker 3>about coming to live from Australia, as you leave those

0:22:53.453 --> 0:22:57.293
<v Speaker 3>things at home. We don't do historical grievances here. We

0:22:57.453 --> 0:23:01.053
<v Speaker 3>just treat everybody as an equal. If you become a citizen,

0:23:01.533 --> 0:23:03.653
<v Speaker 3>you have the same rights as every other citizen, whether

0:23:03.733 --> 0:23:06.973
<v Speaker 3>you've been here five minutes or five thousand years in

0:23:07.013 --> 0:23:12.133
<v Speaker 3>the case of originals, the longer. There's no difference, and

0:23:12.173 --> 0:23:17.573
<v Speaker 3>we cannot be reltigating historical grievances here in Australia.

0:23:18.093 --> 0:23:20.133
<v Speaker 2>All right, So I've got to bug out. I've got

0:23:20.173 --> 0:23:22.813
<v Speaker 2>a challenge for you. Then you can say that you

0:23:22.853 --> 0:23:26.093
<v Speaker 2>can even apply it to immigration and testing and what

0:23:26.133 --> 0:23:28.013
<v Speaker 2>have you. But people will say whatever they want to say,

0:23:28.773 --> 0:23:31.133
<v Speaker 2>whatever they think should be said to get them where

0:23:31.133 --> 0:23:34.333
<v Speaker 2>they want to go. Let them settle down a little bit,

0:23:34.493 --> 0:23:38.293
<v Speaker 2>and before too long there's enough of them to create

0:23:39.093 --> 0:23:43.053
<v Speaker 2>the issues that we're now witnessing on your side in

0:23:43.093 --> 0:23:46.373
<v Speaker 2>this case more but here as well. So what do

0:23:46.413 --> 0:23:47.013
<v Speaker 2>you do with it?

0:23:47.333 --> 0:23:50.573
<v Speaker 3>Well, you do it by reinforcing what a normal patterner

0:23:50.653 --> 0:23:54.453
<v Speaker 3>behavior is here, by having people in authority make it

0:23:54.693 --> 0:23:59.493
<v Speaker 3>very clear, unambiguously, which what sort of behavior is unacceptable

0:23:59.493 --> 0:24:03.093
<v Speaker 3>in this country, and having a police force and adjustive

0:24:03.213 --> 0:24:06.533
<v Speaker 3>system that when things get out of hand, is prepared

0:24:06.693 --> 0:24:09.693
<v Speaker 3>to come down hard. That's not been the case in

0:24:09.733 --> 0:24:13.453
<v Speaker 3>this country with the anti semitism we've seen. It's not

0:24:13.573 --> 0:24:18.213
<v Speaker 3>been the case with the Palestinian demonstrations which have taken

0:24:18.253 --> 0:24:22.133
<v Speaker 3>the streets, and particularly in Melbourne where they've been enormously disruptive.

0:24:22.213 --> 0:24:27.293
<v Speaker 3>They managed to disrupt the opening of a Christmas display

0:24:27.333 --> 0:24:29.893
<v Speaker 3>at Myers. You know, kids that come along to see

0:24:30.373 --> 0:24:33.213
<v Speaker 3>you know, Santa and on display in the windows of Myers,

0:24:33.613 --> 0:24:36.293
<v Speaker 3>and the Palestinians that come to protest and shut that

0:24:36.413 --> 0:24:42.413
<v Speaker 3>down for some ridiculous reason. That's fine, but at that

0:24:42.533 --> 0:24:44.493
<v Speaker 3>point the police need to step in and say you're

0:24:44.493 --> 0:24:48.333
<v Speaker 3>not authorized to do this. You're not authorized to intimidate people.

0:24:49.133 --> 0:24:52.453
<v Speaker 3>If you want to demonstrate, you have to seek permission

0:24:52.493 --> 0:24:55.733
<v Speaker 3>and approval. You can't just do it any place, anytime.

0:24:56.533 --> 0:24:59.013
<v Speaker 3>But they're not doing that. There's a two tier police

0:24:59.053 --> 0:25:02.973
<v Speaker 3>system going on here. They take a very very softly

0:25:03.053 --> 0:25:07.373
<v Speaker 3>softly approach when it comes to anybody from an ethnic background.

0:25:08.013 --> 0:25:10.813
<v Speaker 3>I gues the police just don't want to get into trouble,

0:25:10.853 --> 0:25:14.413
<v Speaker 3>but they're not prepared to enforce the law as it stands,

0:25:14.533 --> 0:25:17.093
<v Speaker 3>let alone. You know, the kind of hate laws we've

0:25:17.093 --> 0:25:20.733
<v Speaker 3>got do not get enforced. So you can have Palestinians

0:25:20.773 --> 0:25:23.733
<v Speaker 3>as you did here on November night last year, two

0:25:23.773 --> 0:25:27.453
<v Speaker 3>days after the attacks in Israel protesting on their steps

0:25:27.453 --> 0:25:32.093
<v Speaker 3>of the Opera house, saying gas the Jews, or if

0:25:32.293 --> 0:25:34.373
<v Speaker 3>you listen to the police, they say no, they're actually saying,

0:25:34.413 --> 0:25:37.373
<v Speaker 3>where's the Jews. I don't know that there's much difference

0:25:37.613 --> 0:25:41.613
<v Speaker 3>between those two chants as to which is most going

0:25:41.653 --> 0:25:44.853
<v Speaker 3>to intimidate the Jewish community in this country, indeed, anybody

0:25:44.853 --> 0:25:47.813
<v Speaker 3>who thinks that it should be a haven for people

0:25:47.813 --> 0:25:50.253
<v Speaker 3>who just get along, regardless to their backgrounds. But there

0:25:50.373 --> 0:25:53.693
<v Speaker 3>was not enforced. I don't know. I certainly saw no

0:25:54.333 --> 0:25:57.173
<v Speaker 3>arrests as a result of that. There might have been

0:25:57.173 --> 0:26:00.653
<v Speaker 3>a few, but there weren't a parent and then and

0:26:00.693 --> 0:26:03.573
<v Speaker 3>then most recently, well last week, you know, you had this,

0:26:03.813 --> 0:26:07.573
<v Speaker 3>as I say this, terrible anti Semitic violence in the

0:26:07.613 --> 0:26:11.493
<v Speaker 3>eastern suburbs and no police press conference. We didn't see

0:26:11.493 --> 0:26:13.693
<v Speaker 3>the police commissioner get up and say, look, I'm going

0:26:13.733 --> 0:26:16.053
<v Speaker 3>to come down on a ton of bricks and we're

0:26:16.093 --> 0:26:17.453
<v Speaker 3>going to get to the bottom of this, and we're

0:26:17.453 --> 0:26:20.413
<v Speaker 3>going to set up strike force whatever or whatever, none

0:26:20.453 --> 0:26:24.093
<v Speaker 3>of that, which was remarkable contrast to what had happened

0:26:24.093 --> 0:26:28.053
<v Speaker 3>only two or three days before, when the police held

0:26:28.213 --> 0:26:32.453
<v Speaker 3>a number of pressure conferences in one day to champion,

0:26:32.533 --> 0:26:36.053
<v Speaker 3>the fact that they arrested Alan Jones, the radio host,

0:26:36.533 --> 0:26:41.213
<v Speaker 3>on what are relatively low order charges if they're proven.

0:26:42.173 --> 0:26:44.093
<v Speaker 3>But of course he was a great name. They wanted

0:26:44.133 --> 0:26:50.013
<v Speaker 3>to get him on these so called sexual abuse allegations.

0:26:50.053 --> 0:26:52.973
<v Speaker 3>An eighty three year old man. They make a big

0:26:53.013 --> 0:26:56.333
<v Speaker 3>fuss about that, but not about anti Semitic violence. It's

0:26:56.333 --> 0:26:59.853
<v Speaker 3>just a feeling that the police force are not focused

0:27:00.013 --> 0:27:02.533
<v Speaker 3>on their role in life, which has enforced the law.

0:27:03.013 --> 0:27:05.053
<v Speaker 3>They're being sidetracked with other agendas.

0:27:05.253 --> 0:27:08.053
<v Speaker 2>Well, we can match that we've had a very weak

0:27:08.093 --> 0:27:11.173
<v Speaker 2>please force for a lengthy period of time. It starts

0:27:11.213 --> 0:27:14.053
<v Speaker 2>at the top under a labor government. It was very

0:27:14.093 --> 0:27:17.133
<v Speaker 2>poorly led. And we've only just recently, in the last

0:27:17.133 --> 0:27:21.573
<v Speaker 2>week or so, we've only appointed a new police commissioner.

0:27:21.813 --> 0:27:24.613
<v Speaker 2>And we'll see how things go new police commissioner under

0:27:24.653 --> 0:27:28.413
<v Speaker 2>a new government and maybe, just maybe they'll do the

0:27:28.493 --> 0:27:30.813
<v Speaker 2>job that they are supposed to do. And let me

0:27:30.853 --> 0:27:35.933
<v Speaker 2>just add actually, because I think it was only yesterday,

0:27:35.973 --> 0:27:39.293
<v Speaker 2>as we record, a few days before before this is released,

0:27:39.613 --> 0:27:44.013
<v Speaker 2>that the police announced the commissioner announced. Let me back

0:27:44.093 --> 0:27:46.373
<v Speaker 2>up here a minute. Police headquarters was in the middle

0:27:46.373 --> 0:27:49.653
<v Speaker 2>of the city up until fairly recently when it moved

0:27:49.693 --> 0:27:51.693
<v Speaker 2>to I don't know whether you know Pons and me,

0:27:51.813 --> 0:27:54.493
<v Speaker 2>but it's just on the fringe of the CBD on

0:27:54.573 --> 0:28:01.133
<v Speaker 2>the outside, really okay, And that meant that there wasn't

0:28:01.533 --> 0:28:04.373
<v Speaker 2>a central city police presence. Now, they used to have

0:28:04.893 --> 0:28:08.013
<v Speaker 2>a small police station done on the waterfront. They closed

0:28:08.013 --> 0:28:12.133
<v Speaker 2>that down and ever since then, for a variety of reasons,

0:28:12.173 --> 0:28:17.373
<v Speaker 2>we have had nothing but trouble in the city with violence, killings, robberies,

0:28:17.533 --> 0:28:20.693
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Now that go back to what I started with.

0:28:21.293 --> 0:28:24.653
<v Speaker 2>They announced a new police station for the inner city.

0:28:25.613 --> 0:28:28.133
<v Speaker 2>That in itself is an indication that somebody with some

0:28:28.213 --> 0:28:30.933
<v Speaker 2>intelligence is now in control.

0:28:31.973 --> 0:28:34.613
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, but you've got to have a police presence.

0:28:34.653 --> 0:28:38.813
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of pleasing, one oh one, isn't it. It's unlure.

0:28:39.453 --> 0:28:41.333
<v Speaker 2>Just to give you an idea, a friend of mine

0:28:41.333 --> 0:28:44.053
<v Speaker 2>who lives on the thirty second floor of an apartment

0:28:44.173 --> 0:28:47.933
<v Speaker 2>in the city watched when try to think how long ago,

0:28:47.973 --> 0:28:50.133
<v Speaker 2>but let's say at least a year ago. Last year anyway,

0:28:51.573 --> 0:28:54.813
<v Speaker 2>there was a there was an assault, a murdering, a

0:28:54.893 --> 0:28:58.333
<v Speaker 2>murderous assault on a building site and he just watched

0:28:58.373 --> 0:29:02.733
<v Speaker 2>it from his window. Now I'm what I'm keen to

0:29:02.813 --> 0:29:07.733
<v Speaker 2>do is to try and convey to New Zealanders who

0:29:07.853 --> 0:29:12.893
<v Speaker 2>are leaving in their droves and will probably continue to

0:29:12.933 --> 0:29:16.653
<v Speaker 2>do so to move to Australia as to whether or

0:29:16.693 --> 0:29:20.133
<v Speaker 2>not they're making the right choice. Now, I could ask

0:29:20.213 --> 0:29:22.133
<v Speaker 2>you straight out, is it the right thing? Is it

0:29:22.173 --> 0:29:25.773
<v Speaker 2>a good thing to do? Is Australia still the place

0:29:25.853 --> 0:29:31.333
<v Speaker 2>of hope promised land for others? Or would you suggest otherwise?

0:29:32.813 --> 0:29:34.813
<v Speaker 3>It's relative, isn't it? But I think it definitely is

0:29:34.973 --> 0:29:41.613
<v Speaker 3>a place of hope. It's a place that compared to

0:29:41.693 --> 0:29:45.533
<v Speaker 3>other Western countries, I think puts a check on a

0:29:45.573 --> 0:29:49.933
<v Speaker 3>lot of the extreme kind of progressive moves better than

0:29:50.053 --> 0:29:53.213
<v Speaker 3>others in most countries. In most cases we've got a

0:29:53.333 --> 0:29:56.733
<v Speaker 3>much stronger media, of course, and a more balanced media

0:29:56.773 --> 0:30:00.613
<v Speaker 3>in the sense that we have in newspapers and television stations,

0:30:00.613 --> 0:30:04.133
<v Speaker 3>at radio stations from right across the political spectrum. Really,

0:30:04.493 --> 0:30:07.213
<v Speaker 3>so we are in that sense, I think strong, and

0:30:07.253 --> 0:30:11.053
<v Speaker 3>we have you. The fundamentals are great. The economy is

0:30:11.093 --> 0:30:14.773
<v Speaker 3>still going well. House prices of course are ridiculous and

0:30:14.893 --> 0:30:17.493
<v Speaker 3>it's very hard to buy a home, and part of

0:30:17.533 --> 0:30:19.973
<v Speaker 3>that is immigration, which we could come and talk about that.

0:30:20.013 --> 0:30:25.013
<v Speaker 3>There's been far too many migrants been admitted to Australia

0:30:25.053 --> 0:30:28.653
<v Speaker 3>in the last three years, and surprise surprise, has put

0:30:28.653 --> 0:30:31.173
<v Speaker 3>a pressure on housing prices. One of the factor is

0:30:31.253 --> 0:30:35.413
<v Speaker 3>driving on housing prices. So there lots of issues here,

0:30:35.493 --> 0:30:39.693
<v Speaker 3>but I'd say that there's still opportunities. And if you

0:30:39.773 --> 0:30:42.413
<v Speaker 3>go to regional and rural Australia, which is where I

0:30:42.453 --> 0:30:45.733
<v Speaker 3>love spending more of my time than ever these days,

0:30:45.773 --> 0:30:51.013
<v Speaker 3>then you do find people buying larger, normal, sensible, pragmatic,

0:30:51.213 --> 0:30:53.773
<v Speaker 3>hard working people and they haven't got much time for

0:30:53.853 --> 0:30:56.773
<v Speaker 3>the elites that are trying to run our lives.

0:30:57.093 --> 0:30:58.333
<v Speaker 2>Where's your preference.

0:30:59.613 --> 0:31:03.773
<v Speaker 3>In terms of the country Australia. I love the northern

0:31:03.973 --> 0:31:07.373
<v Speaker 3>rivers of New South Wales, but I'm happy to travel anywhere,

0:31:07.373 --> 0:31:12.173
<v Speaker 3>particularly it's warm. But yeah, I just find you don't

0:31:12.173 --> 0:31:14.973
<v Speaker 3>have to get far out of the place and suddenly

0:31:15.013 --> 0:31:18.573
<v Speaker 3>it's a different atmosphere. You know, it's a people. You

0:31:18.693 --> 0:31:21.573
<v Speaker 3>know when you I was in Broken Hill, for instance,

0:31:22.053 --> 0:31:25.613
<v Speaker 3>working on a story on energy when on the day

0:31:25.613 --> 0:31:28.853
<v Speaker 3>of the US elections, and because we were all listening

0:31:28.933 --> 0:31:31.253
<v Speaker 3>to it, and I went out in the evening and

0:31:31.853 --> 0:31:34.813
<v Speaker 3>chatted to people in the pub, and you knew instinctively

0:31:34.973 --> 0:31:37.573
<v Speaker 3>that they would be very comfortable with the Donald Trump victory.

0:31:37.893 --> 0:31:40.213
<v Speaker 3>As in teed they were. You didn't have to tread

0:31:40.253 --> 0:31:44.213
<v Speaker 3>on eggshells and say which side were you supporting. You

0:31:44.373 --> 0:31:47.293
<v Speaker 3>just know that they'll take that view because you know,

0:31:47.333 --> 0:31:51.293
<v Speaker 3>they're very much like Trump's people in the States. They're

0:31:51.333 --> 0:31:56.213
<v Speaker 3>no nonsense, working people who want to make a living

0:31:56.253 --> 0:31:59.613
<v Speaker 3>and want to make the world better for their their families,

0:31:59.653 --> 0:32:02.173
<v Speaker 3>you know. So that's the sort of people who tend

0:32:02.173 --> 0:32:06.333
<v Speaker 3>to go for Donald Trump. I think common sense, yeah, yeah,

0:32:06.373 --> 0:32:11.653
<v Speaker 3>definitely common sense and the elite, which I'm increasingly just

0:32:11.773 --> 0:32:13.653
<v Speaker 3>calling them the elite because that's what they are, and

0:32:13.693 --> 0:32:17.013
<v Speaker 3>Trump calls them the elites in the States. A really small,

0:32:17.053 --> 0:32:19.413
<v Speaker 3>sort of select group of people when you boil it down.

0:32:20.093 --> 0:32:22.693
<v Speaker 3>But they're just they're very good at talking, aren't they.

0:32:22.613 --> 0:32:26.773
<v Speaker 3>They're very good at fancy words and making arguments and

0:32:26.773 --> 0:32:29.813
<v Speaker 3>building narratives, and they can drag you with them, or

0:32:29.813 --> 0:32:32.533
<v Speaker 3>they drag some of the population along with their nonsense

0:32:32.613 --> 0:32:36.413
<v Speaker 3>if you're not careful. But they're not the majority, and

0:32:36.973 --> 0:32:40.533
<v Speaker 3>in the end, they talk nonsense and often, you know,

0:32:40.533 --> 0:32:42.893
<v Speaker 3>because they're up there in the clouds, they're talking theory

0:32:42.933 --> 0:32:45.573
<v Speaker 3>the whole time. On things like energy policy rather than

0:32:45.573 --> 0:32:50.133
<v Speaker 3>the practical aspects of it, the engineering and aspects of

0:32:50.253 --> 0:32:54.493
<v Speaker 3>energy policy. Know, they're talking in high fluting theoretical.

0:32:54.013 --> 0:32:59.653
<v Speaker 2>Terms, and this is a good place to introduce something else. Momentarily,

0:33:00.133 --> 0:33:03.613
<v Speaker 2>question which would be in and don't think about it

0:33:03.653 --> 0:33:07.493
<v Speaker 2>too much, just shoot an answer. Which would be the

0:33:07.533 --> 0:33:12.533
<v Speaker 2>most dangerous city in Australia, Which would be the least I.

0:33:12.453 --> 0:33:15.133
<v Speaker 3>Think the most dangerous, well, if you're talking about crime,

0:33:15.173 --> 0:33:18.893
<v Speaker 3>would be Alice Springs without a doubt. And then allied

0:33:18.893 --> 0:33:21.893
<v Speaker 3>to that, there are a lot of towns and cities

0:33:22.493 --> 0:33:27.013
<v Speaker 3>on the fringes of central Australia where there are large

0:33:27.053 --> 0:33:33.093
<v Speaker 3>Aboriginal populations have equal problems, particularly youth crime. And then

0:33:33.213 --> 0:33:35.933
<v Speaker 3>after that I'd say, off the Melbourne major cities Melbourne

0:33:35.973 --> 0:33:39.213
<v Speaker 3>without a doubt or Brisbane actually is a very high

0:33:39.933 --> 0:33:41.253
<v Speaker 3>rated crime in Queensland.

0:33:41.293 --> 0:33:43.933
<v Speaker 2>All right, you're ready for a surprise, Yeah, go on.

0:33:44.053 --> 0:33:51.173
<v Speaker 2>I pulled this detail off last night intentionally because no, no,

0:33:51.453 --> 0:33:54.093
<v Speaker 2>not at all, just for my own interests sake, And

0:33:54.133 --> 0:33:55.733
<v Speaker 2>then when I saw it, I thought, no, I'm going

0:33:55.733 --> 0:33:58.533
<v Speaker 2>to include this, So I'm going to work from ten

0:33:58.613 --> 0:34:03.093
<v Speaker 2>back to one. Yeah, the least, well, the least most

0:34:03.213 --> 0:34:13.133
<v Speaker 2>dangerous of the ten coffs Harbor second, Darwin third, yes, third,

0:34:13.733 --> 0:34:17.533
<v Speaker 2>Alice Springs. I wrote down, I wrote down some of

0:34:17.533 --> 0:34:19.453
<v Speaker 2>the some of the reasons, some of the reasons that

0:34:19.493 --> 0:34:24.093
<v Speaker 2>were given domestic violence in Alice Springs, substance abuse, et cetera.

0:34:25.893 --> 0:34:31.733
<v Speaker 2>Next surprised me. Number seven Hobart. Then then came Sydney

0:34:31.773 --> 0:34:37.053
<v Speaker 2>at six, Brisbane at five, Perth at fourth place. In

0:34:37.053 --> 0:34:42.493
<v Speaker 2>fourth place third is Melbourne. Adelaide is second. Adelaide is

0:34:42.493 --> 0:34:46.933
<v Speaker 2>the second most dangerous city in Australia according to this survey.

0:34:47.893 --> 0:34:49.853
<v Speaker 2>And first of all, you never guess it, so I'll

0:34:49.853 --> 0:34:52.653
<v Speaker 2>tell you the Central Coast. Now I wouldn't call the

0:34:52.693 --> 0:34:56.013
<v Speaker 2>Central Coast a city, but they've included it as such,

0:34:56.373 --> 0:34:59.253
<v Speaker 2>gang violence and drugs being the most the most prominent.

0:34:59.533 --> 0:35:07.533
<v Speaker 2>But the Central Coast, which is between basically between the

0:35:07.573 --> 0:35:12.453
<v Speaker 2>northern Sydney, just to make it simple, up up to

0:35:13.693 --> 0:35:14.893
<v Speaker 2>Gosford and a bit beyond.

0:35:15.773 --> 0:35:19.013
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, yes, actually the Central Coast doesn't surprise me.

0:35:19.253 --> 0:35:24.333
<v Speaker 3>But it's got a lot of a little welfare pockets.

0:35:24.373 --> 0:35:26.733
<v Speaker 3>There were a very high number of people on welfare

0:35:26.853 --> 0:35:28.053
<v Speaker 3>and people are doing it tough.

0:35:29.773 --> 0:35:34.373
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, So moving on, education has been a problem

0:35:34.653 --> 0:35:38.653
<v Speaker 2>in both our countries. Education in Australia I think has

0:35:39.293 --> 0:35:43.373
<v Speaker 2>maybe had the biggest problem because you've got states playing parts.

0:35:44.413 --> 0:35:48.293
<v Speaker 2>What has happened COVID disrupted of course a great deal,

0:35:48.493 --> 0:35:52.733
<v Speaker 2>but what's happened to education overall? Do you think since

0:35:53.253 --> 0:35:54.573
<v Speaker 2>we got released from jail?

0:35:55.253 --> 0:35:58.573
<v Speaker 3>Well, as you say this big hangover from COVID, there

0:35:58.573 --> 0:36:02.693
<v Speaker 3>are all sorts of problems with mental illness to put

0:36:02.693 --> 0:36:07.253
<v Speaker 3>a broad brush answer on that, and children lowest, low

0:36:07.293 --> 0:36:09.693
<v Speaker 3>school attendance rate, like a lot of kids are having

0:36:09.733 --> 0:36:13.373
<v Speaker 3>trouble getting back to school, so that's a problem. But

0:36:13.493 --> 0:36:17.293
<v Speaker 3>we continue to see every year, every year when we

0:36:17.333 --> 0:36:21.133
<v Speaker 3>get the latest scores and that plan scores and the

0:36:21.213 --> 0:36:26.573
<v Speaker 3>piece of scores, you see a further decline in standards

0:36:27.653 --> 0:36:32.133
<v Speaker 3>relatives to other countries. We continue to go backwards because

0:36:32.133 --> 0:36:36.093
<v Speaker 3>I think New Zealand does actually and this is despite

0:36:36.133 --> 0:36:41.333
<v Speaker 3>the fact that we've had massive increase in investment investment

0:36:41.413 --> 0:36:45.853
<v Speaker 3>per child in schools at both private and public schools,

0:36:45.933 --> 0:36:49.373
<v Speaker 3>and that's been going on really for at least fifteen

0:36:49.453 --> 0:36:51.813
<v Speaker 3>or twenty years. You know, we've been a reduction in

0:36:52.373 --> 0:36:57.013
<v Speaker 3>the school in the pupil to teacher ratio, so more

0:36:57.053 --> 0:37:01.373
<v Speaker 3>teachers for fewer pupils, and in a great investment in

0:37:01.453 --> 0:37:04.013
<v Speaker 3>school buildings right up and down the country, some of

0:37:04.093 --> 0:37:07.533
<v Speaker 3>that funded by the federal government, but none of that

0:37:07.613 --> 0:37:11.453
<v Speaker 3>is actually rood outcomes. So we've got to ask what's

0:37:11.493 --> 0:37:13.853
<v Speaker 3>going wrong or what are we doing wrong? How do

0:37:13.893 --> 0:37:17.093
<v Speaker 3>we fix that? And there's a massive continues to be

0:37:17.293 --> 0:37:21.413
<v Speaker 3>hemorrhaging away from the public schools towards private schools.

0:37:22.373 --> 0:37:25.653
<v Speaker 2>What would your what would your first answer be to

0:37:25.773 --> 0:37:28.933
<v Speaker 2>a question of what would you do to overcome the

0:37:29.133 --> 0:37:31.293
<v Speaker 2>issue that you've just arrived at.

0:37:32.573 --> 0:37:36.053
<v Speaker 3>I think you're going to address teacher training, really, because

0:37:36.053 --> 0:37:38.773
<v Speaker 3>they're spending in our four years I think to get

0:37:38.813 --> 0:37:42.373
<v Speaker 3>it qualified as a teacher used to be only one year,

0:37:42.493 --> 0:37:44.653
<v Speaker 3>and now they've made it four years. And the teachers,

0:37:45.253 --> 0:37:47.693
<v Speaker 3>I think, are getting diverted with a lot of things

0:37:47.733 --> 0:37:50.093
<v Speaker 3>that are not really core curriculum. You know, they're not

0:37:50.573 --> 0:37:52.853
<v Speaker 3>they're not They don't come in every morning thinking what

0:37:52.853 --> 0:37:55.573
<v Speaker 3>are the first three most important things I've got to

0:37:55.573 --> 0:37:59.373
<v Speaker 3>do today? Obviously reading, writing, and arithmetic. They don't seem

0:37:59.413 --> 0:38:03.213
<v Speaker 3>to have that clarity. So I mean teachers, my experience,

0:38:03.253 --> 0:38:05.933
<v Speaker 3>most teachers are very good, very conscientious people, but they're

0:38:05.973 --> 0:38:10.413
<v Speaker 3>being diverted and also by imustration as well. But we

0:38:10.533 --> 0:38:12.213
<v Speaker 3>have to get them back to square one. And there's

0:38:12.213 --> 0:38:14.813
<v Speaker 3>a very interesting initiute which I came across going on

0:38:14.853 --> 0:38:18.293
<v Speaker 3>in one Christian based school in Newcastle where they've actually

0:38:18.853 --> 0:38:21.613
<v Speaker 3>decided they're going to train their own teachers rather than

0:38:21.693 --> 0:38:24.493
<v Speaker 3>see them go to university and get them back after

0:38:25.093 --> 0:38:29.173
<v Speaker 3>four years, they're going to train them on the job

0:38:29.773 --> 0:38:33.013
<v Speaker 3>at the school and they'll get an academic component to

0:38:33.093 --> 0:38:37.173
<v Speaker 3>that provided by another college. But basically it turns it

0:38:37.213 --> 0:38:41.213
<v Speaker 3>from a university academic degree into an apprenticeship, you know,

0:38:41.333 --> 0:38:44.453
<v Speaker 3>like learning on the job, and that's really I think

0:38:44.493 --> 0:38:47.693
<v Speaker 3>what teaching used to be. So I think taking this

0:38:47.813 --> 0:38:50.933
<v Speaker 3>out of the universities and making the education for teachers

0:38:50.973 --> 0:38:56.573
<v Speaker 3>more practical and focused on the basics would help. Plus

0:38:56.773 --> 0:39:00.133
<v Speaker 3>changes to the curriculum are the big things. I think.

0:39:00.653 --> 0:39:03.133
<v Speaker 2>What religion is the school.

0:39:03.933 --> 0:39:07.493
<v Speaker 3>It's a Christian school that's I'm not really certain it's

0:39:07.493 --> 0:39:10.653
<v Speaker 3>on I visited a place I'm trying to think of

0:39:10.653 --> 0:39:12.293
<v Speaker 3>them that name of it, but it was very very

0:39:12.333 --> 0:39:16.333
<v Speaker 3>well run and very good non denominational Christian school. It's

0:39:16.413 --> 0:39:18.733
<v Speaker 3>very popular. They have a big waiting list to get

0:39:18.773 --> 0:39:20.293
<v Speaker 3>into it. And it's always the sign of a good

0:39:20.293 --> 0:39:24.933
<v Speaker 3>stool and waiting lists, not just from Christian families, but

0:39:25.013 --> 0:39:27.173
<v Speaker 3>from others who've just heard it does a good education.

0:39:28.133 --> 0:39:30.493
<v Speaker 2>I went to a religious school for a couple of

0:39:30.613 --> 0:39:35.333
<v Speaker 2>years that I'm thinking I'm in high school. The teachers

0:39:35.373 --> 0:39:39.053
<v Speaker 2>were trained at school. It was a combination, you know,

0:39:39.053 --> 0:39:43.733
<v Speaker 2>it was an apprenticeship situation and they'd learnt And we

0:39:43.853 --> 0:39:48.453
<v Speaker 2>covered this off in a previous podcast over this particular issue.

0:39:49.133 --> 0:39:54.333
<v Speaker 2>They learnt on the job like an apprenticeship and with

0:39:54.773 --> 0:40:00.893
<v Speaker 2>an overseeing authority that was not always there but was

0:40:01.253 --> 0:40:05.413
<v Speaker 2>keeping an eye on things, and I think it turned

0:40:05.413 --> 0:40:08.053
<v Speaker 2>out some well, as far as I can tell some

0:40:08.373 --> 0:40:09.253
<v Speaker 2>pretty good teachers.

0:40:09.933 --> 0:40:12.333
<v Speaker 3>One thing it does later is it gives them immersion

0:40:12.333 --> 0:40:14.733
<v Speaker 3>in the classroom very early on in their training. So

0:40:15.293 --> 0:40:17.653
<v Speaker 3>they will learn pretty quickly whether that's for them or not.

0:40:18.293 --> 0:40:20.653
<v Speaker 3>You know, they will know that they've got a chance

0:40:20.693 --> 0:40:23.573
<v Speaker 3>to get out of it if teaching is not quite

0:40:23.573 --> 0:40:27.253
<v Speaker 3>what their cup of tea, instead of doing four years

0:40:27.253 --> 0:40:30.333
<v Speaker 3>in training and then finding out. So I think that's

0:40:30.493 --> 0:40:35.573
<v Speaker 3>one very good practical aspect of teaching teachers that way.

0:40:36.413 --> 0:40:41.373
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you something of interest. At that school, there

0:40:41.573 --> 0:40:47.773
<v Speaker 2>was the son of a person in the media, the

0:40:47.813 --> 0:40:51.373
<v Speaker 2>man trying to think of his name. He was the

0:40:51.413 --> 0:40:54.653
<v Speaker 2>manager of TWGB and Sydney when it was in Phillip Street,

0:40:54.733 --> 0:41:00.253
<v Speaker 2>So this is back in the sixties and he was

0:41:00.293 --> 0:41:05.893
<v Speaker 2>sent there because his father knew the school's reputation. Now

0:41:06.213 --> 0:41:09.533
<v Speaker 2>other matter that's causing a lot of trouble here and

0:41:10.093 --> 0:41:16.453
<v Speaker 2>at both ends of the enterprise is healthcare and hospitals,

0:41:16.613 --> 0:41:21.213
<v Speaker 2>or hospitals and health We have a great shortage of

0:41:21.373 --> 0:41:24.853
<v Speaker 2>nurses and doctors. We were told a couple of days

0:41:24.893 --> 0:41:28.253
<v Speaker 2>ago that we were getting I think fifty new doctors

0:41:28.773 --> 0:41:31.653
<v Speaker 2>coming to the country. I don't know. I don't know

0:41:32.173 --> 0:41:36.133
<v Speaker 2>the circumstances at this point, but we have had a

0:41:36.173 --> 0:41:40.053
<v Speaker 2>short shortage and they are still leaving the country, and

0:41:40.173 --> 0:41:42.253
<v Speaker 2>most of them would be going to Australia, but not all.

0:41:43.173 --> 0:41:46.413
<v Speaker 3>Well, this is a problem the world over, actually late,

0:41:47.533 --> 0:41:49.693
<v Speaker 3>and it's rute. The underlying problem is we don't have

0:41:49.773 --> 0:41:54.333
<v Speaker 3>enough people anymore. You know that the population population growth

0:41:55.173 --> 0:41:58.573
<v Speaker 3>is declining almost everywhere in the world. It's below replacement

0:41:58.733 --> 0:42:03.293
<v Speaker 3>rate in almost every country in Asia, for instance, as

0:42:03.333 --> 0:42:06.293
<v Speaker 3>it has been for some time in New Zealand and Australia.

0:42:06.853 --> 0:42:10.093
<v Speaker 3>So you know, it just is not such a large

0:42:10.133 --> 0:42:14.213
<v Speaker 3>supply of skilled migrants, or even unskilled migrants for that matter.

0:42:15.093 --> 0:42:16.853
<v Speaker 3>So we're going to find it harder and harder to

0:42:16.933 --> 0:42:19.333
<v Speaker 3>sort of make up for our own lack of training

0:42:19.413 --> 0:42:23.293
<v Speaker 3>enough doctors and teacher and nurses by just importing them.

0:42:23.293 --> 0:42:25.853
<v Speaker 3>That's going to be harder. If I remember to focus hard,

0:42:25.973 --> 0:42:26.293
<v Speaker 3>if I.

0:42:26.253 --> 0:42:30.653
<v Speaker 2>Remember correctly, you did a piece on that. Didn't you procreate.

0:42:30.253 --> 0:42:34.453
<v Speaker 3>Or or perish? Yes, I mean, yes, it is. It

0:42:34.533 --> 0:42:37.053
<v Speaker 3>is a massive change that nobody's talking about, and it's

0:42:37.093 --> 0:42:40.373
<v Speaker 3>been going on for probably sixty or seventy years. You

0:42:40.853 --> 0:42:47.613
<v Speaker 3>remember that that famous book, The Population Bomb in early seventies. Yeah,

0:42:47.653 --> 0:42:49.293
<v Speaker 3>well it was very at the time, it was the

0:42:49.373 --> 0:42:52.053
<v Speaker 3>best seller. He was concerned about how the population was

0:42:52.093 --> 0:42:53.853
<v Speaker 3>going to explode and we were all going to start

0:42:53.893 --> 0:42:56.933
<v Speaker 3>because it'd be too many people. Well, actually the opposite

0:42:57.053 --> 0:42:59.253
<v Speaker 3>is happening. It's taken a while for that to filter

0:42:59.373 --> 0:43:03.573
<v Speaker 3>through into overall population numbers because we're getting older, you know,

0:43:03.613 --> 0:43:07.893
<v Speaker 3>thanks to medical science, we're living longer. But now populations

0:43:07.933 --> 0:43:11.133
<v Speaker 3>in places like Japan have started to decline, have been

0:43:11.173 --> 0:43:16.533
<v Speaker 3>declining for some time, in say Hungry and in Korea,

0:43:16.693 --> 0:43:20.093
<v Speaker 3>which has one of the lowest birth rates in the world,

0:43:20.373 --> 0:43:24.373
<v Speaker 3>and India surprisingly is below replacement rates. So all these

0:43:24.413 --> 0:43:27.333
<v Speaker 3>places we thought were going to provide keep producing human

0:43:27.373 --> 0:43:30.213
<v Speaker 3>beings and training them up to provide our doctors and

0:43:30.253 --> 0:43:32.453
<v Speaker 3>so forth, und well, it's not going to happen. So

0:43:32.493 --> 0:43:34.093
<v Speaker 3>we have to at some point to come to terms

0:43:34.133 --> 0:43:34.373
<v Speaker 3>with that.

0:43:34.613 --> 0:43:37.493
<v Speaker 2>Seeing that you've done the work on it. When you

0:43:37.533 --> 0:43:43.693
<v Speaker 2>mentioned India not replacing the population, is that a bad thing?

0:43:43.853 --> 0:43:47.093
<v Speaker 2>When you consider the number of people who live in India.

0:43:49.653 --> 0:43:52.453
<v Speaker 3>It's probably not a bad thing. But you have to

0:43:52.453 --> 0:43:54.933
<v Speaker 3>be able to adjust to it eventually, you see, because

0:43:55.053 --> 0:44:00.173
<v Speaker 3>we still need productive people in the workforce, making things

0:44:00.213 --> 0:44:04.813
<v Speaker 3>and earning money, especially as people get older and you've

0:44:04.813 --> 0:44:07.733
<v Speaker 3>got a larger number of people or the higher dependency

0:44:07.813 --> 0:44:10.333
<v Speaker 3>rates they can you know, the number of people out

0:44:10.333 --> 0:44:13.133
<v Speaker 3>of the workforce because they've grown too old compared to

0:44:13.173 --> 0:44:16.013
<v Speaker 3>the ones that are in it paying the taxes. So

0:44:16.053 --> 0:44:19.293
<v Speaker 3>that if it happens too rapidly and we're not prepared,

0:44:19.413 --> 0:44:22.253
<v Speaker 3>we haven't improved productivity, for instance, and learned how to

0:44:22.293 --> 0:44:26.093
<v Speaker 3>make things better and smarter with fewer people, then it

0:44:26.253 --> 0:44:29.773
<v Speaker 3>is going to be a problem. It'll come through in

0:44:29.853 --> 0:44:32.333
<v Speaker 3>all sorts of ways, and what I understands happening in

0:44:32.373 --> 0:44:34.733
<v Speaker 3>injury is they've still got a slightly higher birth rate

0:44:34.773 --> 0:44:37.533
<v Speaker 3>in the south of India, so there's a big migration

0:44:37.613 --> 0:44:39.533
<v Speaker 3>from the south to the north, which is where most

0:44:39.573 --> 0:44:42.173
<v Speaker 3>of the industrial production is carried out.

0:44:42.533 --> 0:44:46.453
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of productivity, we've had a problem with productivity for

0:44:46.493 --> 0:44:48.533
<v Speaker 2>as long as I can remember on this side of

0:44:48.533 --> 0:44:52.453
<v Speaker 2>the tasma is AI possibly the answer.

0:44:54.133 --> 0:44:57.133
<v Speaker 3>I'll reserve my judgment on that.

0:44:57.133 --> 0:44:58.733
<v Speaker 2>That's a very diplomatic answer.

0:45:00.253 --> 0:45:02.173
<v Speaker 3>I just have to put my hand on the out

0:45:02.173 --> 0:45:04.413
<v Speaker 3>and say I just don't know, and I can't even

0:45:05.093 --> 0:45:08.173
<v Speaker 3>I can't even bluffin unswer on this one. It's too

0:45:08.613 --> 0:45:13.373
<v Speaker 3>to say. It is fascinating, it's exciting in some ways,

0:45:13.933 --> 0:45:17.133
<v Speaker 3>quite scary in others. But I think we're all just

0:45:17.253 --> 0:45:20.213
<v Speaker 3>learning to work out what it can do. I don't

0:45:20.253 --> 0:45:22.973
<v Speaker 3>think anybody really knows what its overall effect is going

0:45:23.013 --> 0:45:28.093
<v Speaker 3>to be on productivity. Will it replace journalists? For example?

0:45:28.613 --> 0:45:32.453
<v Speaker 3>I tend to think not, because sure I can get

0:45:32.453 --> 0:45:35.253
<v Speaker 3>Ai to write an opinion piece for me. I could say,

0:45:35.413 --> 0:45:40.173
<v Speaker 3>write an opinion piece from a conservative perspective on this topic,

0:45:40.213 --> 0:45:43.213
<v Speaker 3>and it will spew something out, which is you've probably

0:45:43.213 --> 0:45:45.973
<v Speaker 3>got fewer spelling mistakes in the device rushing it off.

0:45:46.053 --> 0:45:51.573
<v Speaker 3>But it's just not something slightly not there's no humanity

0:45:51.573 --> 0:45:55.453
<v Speaker 3>in it, there's nothing to surprise you, there's nothing quirky,

0:45:55.613 --> 0:45:58.653
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's I don't know that I'll ever overcome that.

0:45:59.053 --> 0:46:02.813
<v Speaker 3>And my example of this is the drum machine. If

0:46:02.853 --> 0:46:05.293
<v Speaker 3>you remember in them, when would it be in the

0:46:05.373 --> 0:46:09.653
<v Speaker 3>in the eighties when electro drummer machine started to replace

0:46:09.733 --> 0:46:13.613
<v Speaker 3>real drummers and you listen to those songs and you think, no,

0:46:13.893 --> 0:46:16.693
<v Speaker 3>you know, when there's an electric drummer, sine when there's

0:46:16.733 --> 0:46:19.213
<v Speaker 3>a real drummer. Even now you can tell a difference.

0:46:19.293 --> 0:46:22.253
<v Speaker 3>It's got no life in it. So I don't know,

0:46:22.453 --> 0:46:27.133
<v Speaker 3>that's not that's not a very comprehensive look at the

0:46:27.173 --> 0:46:29.933
<v Speaker 3>whole thing of AI, but it is a way to

0:46:29.973 --> 0:46:31.173
<v Speaker 3>see I think as far as we.

0:46:31.173 --> 0:46:36.973
<v Speaker 2>Know well, I asked somebody once whether AI could be hijacked,

0:46:37.013 --> 0:46:39.173
<v Speaker 2>because it would be very hard to tell. But if

0:46:39.213 --> 0:46:42.053
<v Speaker 2>it was, what could it be? What could it be

0:46:42.173 --> 0:46:46.253
<v Speaker 2>trained to do? What attitudes could it be trained to

0:46:46.413 --> 0:46:52.213
<v Speaker 2>introduce without anybody really knowing? And the answer was along

0:46:52.253 --> 0:46:54.893
<v Speaker 2>the lines have not never happened. And I think that

0:46:55.013 --> 0:46:57.813
<v Speaker 2>was a very bad answer, because if you're going to

0:46:57.853 --> 0:47:01.293
<v Speaker 2>talk about AI, it's a major it's a major breakthrough

0:47:01.333 --> 0:47:06.253
<v Speaker 2>simpy in itself. Its usage can be abused like so

0:47:06.333 --> 0:47:11.853
<v Speaker 2>many other aspects of development of life without question for me.

0:47:12.893 --> 0:47:17.653
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that's right now. So well, the jury's out,

0:47:17.693 --> 0:47:18.373
<v Speaker 3>I guess latent.

0:47:18.573 --> 0:47:21.173
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, do you want to sit on the jury?

0:47:21.253 --> 0:47:26.293
<v Speaker 2>That's the question now. You mentioned at the beginning that

0:47:26.413 --> 0:47:30.973
<v Speaker 2>you were going up to see a nuclear a nuclear development.

0:47:31.893 --> 0:47:34.933
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a nuclear power plant up in Ontario, a place

0:47:34.973 --> 0:47:40.853
<v Speaker 3>called Darlington, which is very interesting from an Australian point

0:47:40.853 --> 0:47:42.813
<v Speaker 3>of view as a kind of technology we should be

0:47:42.813 --> 0:47:46.133
<v Speaker 3>looking at. But it will be the third nuclear plant

0:47:46.133 --> 0:47:50.413
<v Speaker 3>I visited this year. Actually, because the whole debate is hot,

0:47:50.613 --> 0:47:54.773
<v Speaker 3>hot it up in Australia. You now have the opposition,

0:47:55.173 --> 0:47:59.213
<v Speaker 3>the Coalition, going to the next election with a policy

0:47:59.453 --> 0:48:02.253
<v Speaker 3>to lift the moratorium on nuclear powers. You know, we

0:48:02.293 --> 0:48:08.173
<v Speaker 3>can't have nuclear power in Australia, it's illegal and the

0:48:08.413 --> 0:48:12.893
<v Speaker 3>bata's really rolled on very quickly on this. Most people,

0:48:12.973 --> 0:48:15.653
<v Speaker 3>I think, if they're not in favor of nuclear power,

0:48:15.653 --> 0:48:18.533
<v Speaker 3>they're certainly in favor of considering it as part of

0:48:18.533 --> 0:48:20.653
<v Speaker 3>our mix because they know how much trouble we're in

0:48:20.693 --> 0:48:24.053
<v Speaker 3>with energy, and younger people in particular don't have the

0:48:24.053 --> 0:48:27.333
<v Speaker 3>same hang ups over nuclear for instance. They're not obsessed

0:48:27.333 --> 0:48:29.773
<v Speaker 3>with Three Mile Island and churnobil in the way that

0:48:29.973 --> 0:48:33.573
<v Speaker 3>the baby boomers are. So yeah, it's a live debate

0:48:33.613 --> 0:48:36.493
<v Speaker 3>in Australia and I've become, i suppose, quite an advocate

0:48:36.493 --> 0:48:40.053
<v Speaker 3>for nuclear power. I'm now quite convinced that it is

0:48:40.493 --> 0:48:42.333
<v Speaker 3>what we need to do in Australia and probably in

0:48:42.333 --> 0:48:45.213
<v Speaker 3>New Zealand. Actually, to be honest, I think there's less

0:48:45.293 --> 0:48:47.453
<v Speaker 3>pressing need for it there for a number of reasons.

0:48:47.533 --> 0:48:49.653
<v Speaker 3>One is that you've got a lot of water and

0:48:49.693 --> 0:48:50.813
<v Speaker 3>a lot of hydroelectricity.

0:48:51.053 --> 0:48:54.373
<v Speaker 2>Well actually, actually you'd be surprised. A few months ago

0:48:54.453 --> 0:48:58.693
<v Speaker 2>we were very close to having blackouts instituted on us

0:49:00.853 --> 0:49:06.373
<v Speaker 2>and if it had got there is one private electrical

0:49:06.373 --> 0:49:09.413
<v Speaker 2>engineer who has had a lot of exper in this country.

0:49:10.093 --> 0:49:12.773
<v Speaker 2>Everyone knows who I'm talking about because he's been a

0:49:12.813 --> 0:49:15.733
<v Speaker 2>guest on the podcast on a number of occasions. He

0:49:15.813 --> 0:49:18.573
<v Speaker 2>has experienced from all over the world and he is

0:49:19.013 --> 0:49:22.293
<v Speaker 2>pretty much a leader in the field, and he thinks

0:49:22.333 --> 0:49:27.133
<v Speaker 2>that New Zealand's electricity supply is in very very grave

0:49:27.213 --> 0:49:31.533
<v Speaker 2>danger and there's some well it's being kept alive at

0:49:31.533 --> 0:49:33.373
<v Speaker 2>the moment my importing coal from Indonesia.

0:49:33.453 --> 0:49:35.933
<v Speaker 3>Dammit, well, there you go. There's a problem for you.

0:49:37.013 --> 0:49:39.573
<v Speaker 3>But I think, yeah, the thing about it is we

0:49:39.693 --> 0:49:42.533
<v Speaker 3>also need to bear in mind that our demand for

0:49:42.573 --> 0:49:46.373
<v Speaker 3>electricity is increasing and will continue to increase. We've already

0:49:46.413 --> 0:49:48.773
<v Speaker 3>mentioned reason part of the reason why that is, and

0:49:48.853 --> 0:49:55.853
<v Speaker 3>that's AI and computer storage, which has become massive pusher

0:49:55.933 --> 0:49:59.693
<v Speaker 3>of growth for energy demand across the world because that

0:49:59.893 --> 0:50:04.413
<v Speaker 3>demands such large amounts of electricity to store data and

0:50:04.453 --> 0:50:11.573
<v Speaker 3>to process AI, exponentially higher than normal computing. There's a

0:50:11.613 --> 0:50:14.573
<v Speaker 3>new data center actually just a few kilometers up the

0:50:14.613 --> 0:50:18.373
<v Speaker 3>road from me and Sydney drive past, and it is

0:50:18.493 --> 0:50:21.213
<v Speaker 3>the scale of it is massive, and right down the

0:50:21.253 --> 0:50:23.693
<v Speaker 3>side of it there is big it's probably about a

0:50:23.733 --> 0:50:26.973
<v Speaker 3>seven story high building you're can imagine, which is just

0:50:27.133 --> 0:50:32.213
<v Speaker 3>full of computer storage with these great air conditioning pipes

0:50:32.333 --> 0:50:34.333
<v Speaker 3>running on the outside because they need to be kept

0:50:34.373 --> 0:50:38.653
<v Speaker 3>cool the whole time. And they have diesel generators installed

0:50:39.293 --> 0:50:41.933
<v Speaker 3>as part of the thing, so that the normal electricity

0:50:41.973 --> 0:50:46.413
<v Speaker 3>supply goes down, they'll kicking diesel generators. So yeah, New

0:50:46.493 --> 0:50:49.453
<v Speaker 3>Zealand needs to be prepared for that because without data

0:50:49.493 --> 0:50:53.773
<v Speaker 3>storage and AI facilities close to the user, you can't

0:50:53.773 --> 0:50:56.933
<v Speaker 3>rely on this from overseas, you're going to be in trouble.

0:50:57.013 --> 0:50:59.613
<v Speaker 3>So that's one good reason why you probably should be

0:50:59.693 --> 0:51:04.013
<v Speaker 3>looking at a new solid source of power like nuclear

0:51:04.493 --> 0:51:07.013
<v Speaker 3>and with the new small modulary actors which I'll be

0:51:07.053 --> 0:51:10.853
<v Speaker 3>looking at in Canada, they may be a good solution

0:51:11.013 --> 0:51:13.253
<v Speaker 3>for parts of New Zealand away from the big cities.

0:51:13.333 --> 0:51:16.453
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I would think so, and I think more and

0:51:16.453 --> 0:51:20.053
<v Speaker 2>more people are realizing how desirable it's going to be. Now,

0:51:20.533 --> 0:51:23.493
<v Speaker 2>maybe we should end up with something that's near and

0:51:23.533 --> 0:51:26.493
<v Speaker 2>dear to both of us, and that's the media. Let

0:51:26.533 --> 0:51:29.453
<v Speaker 2>me give you a very quick brief on here on

0:51:29.533 --> 0:51:33.773
<v Speaker 2>the situation here. New Zealand's media is in trouble. There

0:51:33.813 --> 0:51:36.293
<v Speaker 2>have been a lot of job losses and they continue,

0:51:36.933 --> 0:51:43.973
<v Speaker 2>and there are mergings and there are foldings, and it's

0:51:44.013 --> 0:51:51.493
<v Speaker 2>not a good thing overall. But I've declared in different

0:51:51.573 --> 0:51:55.533
<v Speaker 2>circumstances that I have little sympathy for some of them

0:51:55.533 --> 0:51:57.973
<v Speaker 2>who are losing their jobs because of the stand that

0:51:58.053 --> 0:52:01.333
<v Speaker 2>they've taken over a lengthy period of time now, and

0:52:01.373 --> 0:52:06.773
<v Speaker 2>that is a stand of lockdown on subject matter. And

0:52:07.213 --> 0:52:10.293
<v Speaker 2>if you deprive, if you deprive a very large section

0:52:10.373 --> 0:52:13.573
<v Speaker 2>of the community from having their being able to read

0:52:14.773 --> 0:52:19.253
<v Speaker 2>matters that concern them, that they're interested in your newspaper

0:52:19.373 --> 0:52:21.933
<v Speaker 2>or on your television screen or wherever it might be,

0:52:22.533 --> 0:52:26.133
<v Speaker 2>then it serves you right because this has a this

0:52:26.173 --> 0:52:30.533
<v Speaker 2>has become a campaign against climate change, against COVID matters,

0:52:30.573 --> 0:52:33.893
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. And you have the same in Australia, but

0:52:33.973 --> 0:52:35.333
<v Speaker 2>you don't have the same restrictions.

0:52:35.653 --> 0:52:39.973
<v Speaker 3>No, well, no, generally that'll be true. But it is

0:52:40.453 --> 0:52:44.813
<v Speaker 3>about we have a very competitive, beautifully competitive media system,

0:52:44.853 --> 0:52:48.133
<v Speaker 3>now more competitive than ever. I mean the barriers rentry

0:52:48.653 --> 0:52:51.933
<v Speaker 3>are much lower, but the amount of competition is much higher.

0:52:52.013 --> 0:52:54.573
<v Speaker 3>So you have to change your model. And that that's

0:52:54.653 --> 0:53:00.093
<v Speaker 3>been happening in Australia. It meant some most media companies

0:53:00.093 --> 0:53:04.213
<v Speaker 3>have had to slim down, become more efficient, be what

0:53:04.253 --> 0:53:06.613
<v Speaker 3>they're doing, look at what they're doing, work out how

0:53:06.613 --> 0:53:10.453
<v Speaker 3>they can do it better. So in that sense, that's

0:53:10.493 --> 0:53:13.093
<v Speaker 3>been happening probably for twenty years, but increasingly in the

0:53:13.133 --> 0:53:17.093
<v Speaker 3>last ten years. And what you've seen is that companies

0:53:17.133 --> 0:53:22.413
<v Speaker 3>that do adapt are surviving and will thrive, and those

0:53:22.453 --> 0:53:25.453
<v Speaker 3>who just stick by the old model, won they'll go

0:53:25.493 --> 0:53:29.333
<v Speaker 3>out in the back door. So it's capitalism really, it's

0:53:29.413 --> 0:53:32.813
<v Speaker 3>raw capitalism in the end, the fundamental thing you put

0:53:32.853 --> 0:53:37.293
<v Speaker 3>your finger on it. Unless you provide people with something

0:53:37.333 --> 0:53:40.653
<v Speaker 3>they can't get elsewhere that's really precious to them and valuable,

0:53:41.173 --> 0:53:44.693
<v Speaker 3>they're not going to put their credit card across across

0:53:44.933 --> 0:53:47.933
<v Speaker 3>online and pay for the content because they'll just suck

0:53:48.013 --> 0:53:53.293
<v Speaker 3>up yours and other free content along the same lines

0:53:53.693 --> 0:53:57.133
<v Speaker 3>quite easily. It's very easy to pick up commentary from

0:53:57.173 --> 0:54:01.573
<v Speaker 3>the left for nothing but good solid conservative commentary. Well

0:54:01.573 --> 0:54:04.133
<v Speaker 3>we should be we should be asking people to pay

0:54:04.133 --> 0:54:06.413
<v Speaker 3>for that because it's valuable to them, and we are

0:54:06.453 --> 0:54:10.773
<v Speaker 3>increasingly know The Australian now is behind a pay wall.

0:54:10.813 --> 0:54:15.973
<v Speaker 3>It's very hard to yeah, and quite rightly so, I

0:54:15.973 --> 0:54:17.973
<v Speaker 3>mean I write for the Australian and they do send

0:54:17.973 --> 0:54:22.093
<v Speaker 3>me a small rebiddance every every month, so that's that's

0:54:22.173 --> 0:54:25.333
<v Speaker 3>important you. I mean, if you're a chocolate factory saying

0:54:25.453 --> 0:54:28.053
<v Speaker 3>you decided, oh, we don't want to put our chocolate

0:54:28.093 --> 0:54:30.373
<v Speaker 3>behind a paywall, you'd be nuts, right. So it's the

0:54:30.413 --> 0:54:33.693
<v Speaker 3>same with news, but the quality of that news has

0:54:33.733 --> 0:54:38.413
<v Speaker 3>to be good and reliable and trustworthy. Otherwise you won't

0:54:38.693 --> 0:54:41.293
<v Speaker 3>be able to build a business out of it. But

0:54:41.733 --> 0:54:43.493
<v Speaker 3>there is there is a way out in the other side.

0:54:43.533 --> 0:54:47.013
<v Speaker 3>I think New Zealand's abiding problem is the size and

0:54:47.453 --> 0:54:51.013
<v Speaker 3>the size of the market. It's it's very difficult to

0:54:51.093 --> 0:54:54.133
<v Speaker 3>make something work on that scale.

0:54:54.773 --> 0:54:56.373
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think there are more people who would

0:54:56.373 --> 0:54:59.053
<v Speaker 2>agree with you now than I would have in the

0:54:59.213 --> 0:55:03.733
<v Speaker 2>in the past. But there's a sector of the of

0:55:03.813 --> 0:55:06.653
<v Speaker 2>the media that I want to raise with you, and

0:55:06.733 --> 0:55:12.973
<v Speaker 2>that is journalism in the essay form. And you write

0:55:13.013 --> 0:55:16.813
<v Speaker 2>for You've been flitting about quite a bit lately. Actually,

0:55:17.173 --> 0:55:22.213
<v Speaker 2>you've expanded your environment. You write for The Australian. You

0:55:22.253 --> 0:55:28.613
<v Speaker 2>are writing now for Quadrant magazine, which has undergone management

0:55:28.733 --> 0:55:32.973
<v Speaker 2>change and an overhaul. I don't know that I've seen

0:55:33.573 --> 0:55:36.093
<v Speaker 2>your name too many times in Spectator though.

0:55:37.773 --> 0:55:39.573
<v Speaker 3>No, I haven't writen for Spectator for a while. It's

0:55:39.613 --> 0:55:42.293
<v Speaker 3>just time, really, I'd love to. It's a great publication,

0:55:42.453 --> 0:55:45.893
<v Speaker 3>but Quadrant. I should, at a matter of disclosure, say

0:55:45.893 --> 0:55:48.213
<v Speaker 3>that the editor of the new editor of Quadrant is

0:55:48.213 --> 0:55:54.493
<v Speaker 3>my wife, Rebecca Weiser, So my opinion of Quadrants altered

0:55:54.533 --> 0:55:58.493
<v Speaker 3>by that. But it is a very it's been going

0:55:58.533 --> 0:56:03.853
<v Speaker 3>since nineteen fifty six. It's a very very solid publication

0:56:04.013 --> 0:56:07.973
<v Speaker 3>that's always been firmly aligned on the size of side

0:56:07.973 --> 0:56:12.173
<v Speaker 3>of free. It started out the Cold War, you know,

0:56:12.253 --> 0:56:16.733
<v Speaker 3>fighting the communist nonsense, and now it's fighting the woke nonsense.

0:56:16.813 --> 0:56:21.773
<v Speaker 3>So but it drives debate a lot and helps influence

0:56:21.813 --> 0:56:25.733
<v Speaker 3>the debate, and I'm very committed to Quadrant to see

0:56:25.733 --> 0:56:29.533
<v Speaker 3>it expand and grow to a new audience. And I'm

0:56:29.613 --> 0:56:31.373
<v Speaker 3>very happy to write for it because to write those

0:56:31.373 --> 0:56:34.093
<v Speaker 3>longer form pieces, you know, it allows you to do

0:56:34.173 --> 0:56:35.933
<v Speaker 3>more in an article than you will just in a

0:56:35.973 --> 0:56:39.373
<v Speaker 3>normal newspaper column. And this is a lot of that

0:56:39.453 --> 0:56:42.213
<v Speaker 3>stuff around as you know, I mean on substack also

0:56:42.373 --> 0:56:46.653
<v Speaker 3>right on Substack, and that's a thriving environment now for

0:56:47.813 --> 0:56:49.693
<v Speaker 3>really good journalism as well as.

0:56:49.653 --> 0:56:52.573
<v Speaker 2>I've watched it expand over here too in the I've

0:56:52.573 --> 0:56:56.373
<v Speaker 2>had two substect writers on the podcast in the last

0:56:56.373 --> 0:56:56.933
<v Speaker 2>six months.

0:56:57.613 --> 0:57:00.213
<v Speaker 3>Well that's I mean, that's the way forward, isn't it.

0:57:00.253 --> 0:57:03.013
<v Speaker 3>For a country like New Zealand. You don't have the

0:57:03.053 --> 0:57:05.253
<v Speaker 3>barriers for entry in that you've got to fire up

0:57:05.253 --> 0:57:08.813
<v Speaker 3>a printing press, but you can reach a reasonably size

0:57:08.853 --> 0:57:12.973
<v Speaker 3>audience on there and you have nobody's sensors here. Really,

0:57:13.053 --> 0:57:16.053
<v Speaker 3>you know, there's nobody your sense of yourself. You're your

0:57:16.093 --> 0:57:20.573
<v Speaker 3>own editor, and the readers decide whether you're you're worth

0:57:20.613 --> 0:57:22.493
<v Speaker 3>reading or not, and whether they're going to pay for

0:57:22.533 --> 0:57:27.493
<v Speaker 3>you or subscribe to you in some other way and

0:57:27.653 --> 0:57:31.773
<v Speaker 3>keep the thing going. So Substacks, you know, Substack and

0:57:31.813 --> 0:57:35.413
<v Speaker 3>other sort of similar platforms, I think a great success.

0:57:35.453 --> 0:57:37.493
<v Speaker 3>And I think, you know, as we've been talking for

0:57:37.533 --> 0:57:40.453
<v Speaker 3>some time, I think there is great scope to have

0:57:40.853 --> 0:57:45.413
<v Speaker 3>one of the Australian digital networks like ADHTV, which I'm

0:57:45.453 --> 0:57:49.653
<v Speaker 3>attached to, really start growing its market in New Zealand too.

0:57:49.773 --> 0:57:52.373
<v Speaker 3>Whenever we run something on New Zealand on eighty h

0:57:52.493 --> 0:57:55.693
<v Speaker 3>you know, now and then I might interview somebody yourself.

0:57:55.733 --> 0:57:59.853
<v Speaker 3>Even we get a huge pick up in audience, and

0:57:59.893 --> 0:58:02.733
<v Speaker 3>most of that from your side of the tasmum because

0:58:02.733 --> 0:58:05.893
<v Speaker 3>there is a hunger there. So there are ways around this.

0:58:06.133 --> 0:58:07.453
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I doubt if you're ever going to have

0:58:07.533 --> 0:58:13.013
<v Speaker 3>a competitive center right newspaper come out daily on the streets,

0:58:14.533 --> 0:58:18.933
<v Speaker 3>but that's not the way people consume news. For instance, yesterday,

0:58:19.133 --> 0:58:22.133
<v Speaker 3>only yesterday, when I arrived in Dallas and I had

0:58:22.253 --> 0:58:24.693
<v Speaker 3>nine hours to kill at the airport. You wouldn't believe

0:58:24.733 --> 0:58:28.693
<v Speaker 3>how hard it was in an airport, a major airport,

0:58:28.733 --> 0:58:32.493
<v Speaker 3>to find a printed newspaper. I did find one eventually.

0:58:33.493 --> 0:58:34.573
<v Speaker 2>Which one was it?

0:58:34.653 --> 0:58:38.453
<v Speaker 3>Well, I got the I got the Wall Street Journal

0:58:38.493 --> 0:58:41.733
<v Speaker 3>in the New York Times and the Dallastribute is at

0:58:41.773 --> 0:58:46.253
<v Speaker 3>the local Dallas paper and they cost me between them,

0:58:46.253 --> 0:58:49.973
<v Speaker 3>they cost me fifteen US puck. That's clearly not the

0:58:49.973 --> 0:58:52.813
<v Speaker 3>way most people consume the media. Now I'm just some

0:58:53.013 --> 0:58:55.613
<v Speaker 3>old fogy who likes to sit down and turn pages.

0:58:56.093 --> 0:58:58.893
<v Speaker 2>Well, I joined you in that. And one of the

0:58:58.933 --> 0:59:02.733
<v Speaker 2>privileges of being in Sydney at any given time is

0:59:03.373 --> 0:59:06.533
<v Speaker 2>to take coffee and a cave or breakfast in a

0:59:06.573 --> 0:59:10.893
<v Speaker 2>cafe where there's usually a bunch of newspapers to read

0:59:11.253 --> 0:59:14.373
<v Speaker 2>for free. There's still four newspapers in Sydney.

0:59:14.933 --> 0:59:19.093
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, I mean, and the Australian. It finds its

0:59:19.173 --> 0:59:23.173
<v Speaker 3>print edition is very important to its business. I mean

0:59:23.173 --> 0:59:27.693
<v Speaker 3>it's costly, Sure, it's costly, but the market for it

0:59:27.773 --> 0:59:31.373
<v Speaker 3>isn't going away because I think there's something there's just

0:59:31.413 --> 0:59:35.573
<v Speaker 3>something different about the way you consume news from a

0:59:35.573 --> 0:59:39.133
<v Speaker 3>printed newspaper from online. And one of the big things

0:59:39.173 --> 0:59:42.013
<v Speaker 3>is that you come across unexpected things in the printed

0:59:42.053 --> 0:59:46.213
<v Speaker 3>newspaper much more frequently that you come across anything unexpected

0:59:46.253 --> 0:59:49.093
<v Speaker 3>and online where you tend to go down a channel

0:59:49.133 --> 0:59:52.413
<v Speaker 3>and look at this and then a related article maybe

0:59:52.413 --> 0:59:54.893
<v Speaker 3>you turn the page and you'll go, oh, that's interesting.

0:59:54.973 --> 0:59:55.213
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that, you know. So yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be around for a fair bit longer.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't like to say how long, but they will.

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<v Speaker 2>Be indeed, and that draws us I think to a close.

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<v Speaker 2>It has been has been a pleasure. Well, having a chat.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly a joy is ever. And as I'm in the

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<v Speaker 3>United States, I should wish you happy holidays and happy Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 3>But more than that, you know, thanks again for all

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<v Speaker 3>you do on your podcast over the years late and

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<v Speaker 3>it's one of the ones that I've always got on

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<v Speaker 3>my regular search when I go to listen to something

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<v Speaker 3>at the weekend. So keep it up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to run a bit longer. So there is

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<v Speaker 2>this one more thing I wanted to clarify though you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned ADH. Can you just tell everybody what ADH is?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, eighty h stands for Australian Digital Holdings and it's

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<v Speaker 3>really a startup television station that began online and through

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<v Speaker 3>and up about three years ago and is just really

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<v Speaker 3>now beginning to take off. We've got some new studios,

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<v Speaker 3>for instance in Sydney which used to belong to Channel

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<v Speaker 3>nine where they used to do their cooking shows. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's actually a whole kitchen at one end of the

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<v Speaker 3>studio which we cover up and a sort of a

1:01:20.853 --> 1:01:23.853
<v Speaker 3>smell of stale food. It's quite an unusual place, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's a probably a quick studio, and it shows the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that the old networks like nine are now struggling

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<v Speaker 3>and then closing down facilities, and people like us are

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<v Speaker 3>snapping them up because our audience is growing and we're

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<v Speaker 3>finding ways to make them work online and we've got

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<v Speaker 3>great plans coming up for twenty twenty five. So eighty

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<v Speaker 3>h Television if somebody wants to check it out. My

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<v Speaker 3>show is called Reality by Ites and it's it's online too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can get it. I see that the lead personality is

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<v Speaker 2>still the same, hasn't changed.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's the guy? It may just be our websites out

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<v Speaker 3>of date. Alan Jones was with it, but he had,

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<v Speaker 3>as you know, health issues and he's he hasn't been

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<v Speaker 3>broadcasting for p a year or so, so we've got

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<v Speaker 3>a whole news stable of people Christmas. It does a

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<v Speaker 3>regular show. He's a former radio presenter. Here myself, Daisy

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<v Speaker 3>Cousins and anyway worth checking it out. I think I'd

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<v Speaker 3>be very surprised if you didn't find something worth watching

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<v Speaker 3>on there, even if it's not my show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I can say comfortably. Actually I can stay comfortably.

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<v Speaker 2>Your show is worth watching, so appreciate it, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wish you were merry Christmas and a much

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<v Speaker 2>better twenty twenty five. I don't care how good this

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<v Speaker 2>one was. I want next to you to be better. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>let's hope, Thanks late and all the very best, missus producer.

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<v Speaker 2>It is one of the better days that we've had

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<v Speaker 2>this season, so you must be feeling fantastically.

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<v Speaker 4>Flesh Laton. I always feel fantastic, but today is the

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<v Speaker 4>icing on top of the cake, isn't it beautiful? Let's

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<v Speaker 4>hope there are many more of these days to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, why don't I lead this week? Just for a change,

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<v Speaker 2>It's no wonder to send her a durn labeled David

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<v Speaker 2>Seymour an arrogant prick. David Seymour is a conviction politician,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes him a great politician as he relentlessly fights

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<v Speaker 2>for what he believes in. While a Dern believed in

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<v Speaker 2>government controls, Seymour believed in individual freedoms. Personally, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a love hate relationship with David Seymour. I love it

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<v Speaker 2>when he fights for what I believe in, such as

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<v Speaker 2>the Treaty Principles Bill. I hate it when he fights

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<v Speaker 2>against what I believe in, such as his use in

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<v Speaker 2>Asia Bill. He is a great ally to have, but

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<v Speaker 2>he also makes a ruthless opponent. Despite that, I preferred

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<v Speaker 2>David Seymour over Chris luxm because, as a conviction politician,

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<v Speaker 2>Seymour is willing to tackle what really matters and doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>pussy for. Like Luxan, David Seymour joins the ranks of

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<v Speaker 2>what Ramesh the Kerr calls creative disruptors. Creative disruptors are

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<v Speaker 2>people like Trump in the US, Maloney in Italy, Milay

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<v Speaker 2>in Argentina, Polaver in Canada, and Farage in the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>Creative disruptors are the only kind of leaders who can

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<v Speaker 2>successfully wage war on woke. The Treaty Principal's Bill is

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<v Speaker 2>to New Zealand what the First Amendment is to the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. It's all about equal rights and freedoms for

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<v Speaker 2>all citizens, regardless of skin color. In fact, this issue

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<v Speaker 2>is so important to me that I will vote for

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<v Speaker 2>the act Party if they end up being the only

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<v Speaker 2>party willing to die on this hill. Soldier on, David Seymour,

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<v Speaker 2>We're with you on the Treaty Principle's Bill.

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<v Speaker 4>Leyton Tim says, thank you for your interesting and enlightening

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<v Speaker 4>chat with David Seymour with regard to the Treaty Principal's Bill,

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<v Speaker 4>I have to say I haven't been a fan of

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<v Speaker 4>mister Seymour since his stance on the COVID vaccine. But

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<v Speaker 4>not everyone is perfect, and he has redeemed himself lately

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<v Speaker 4>with his backbone under relentless pressure from the activist class,

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<v Speaker 4>gutless politicians, and the activist legacy media. But I repeat

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<v Speaker 4>myself as a National Party activist for nearly forty years

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<v Speaker 4>and now in exile, I'm extremely disappointed in the current

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<v Speaker 4>leadership at both political and organizational levels that are too

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<v Speaker 4>focused on not creating offense and being labor light in

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<v Speaker 4>case they get off side with someone for a so

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<v Speaker 4>called Christian Luxen has weak on issues that middle of

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<v Speaker 4>the road Christians and non Christians alike are concerned about.

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<v Speaker 4>Why Luxon and others are afraid of standing up for

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<v Speaker 4>one standard of citizenship and for standing up to issues

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<v Speaker 4>such as the transgender nonsense is beyond me. It was

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<v Speaker 4>a winner for Trump. Your semi regular retired National MP

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<v Speaker 4>corrrespondent was again on the money with his letter last week.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe National needs to look across the Tasman and

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<v Speaker 4>see how Peter Dutton has been differentiating the Coalition from

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<v Speaker 4>Labor and see what happens when you stand up for something.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm of the opinion that Dutton will be Australian Prime

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<v Speaker 4>Minister in twenty twenty five with the Labor Party being

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<v Speaker 4>a one term government. I could go on, but that

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<v Speaker 4>will be a letter for another day. Please keep up

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<v Speaker 4>your excellent work late and I wish you, missus producer

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<v Speaker 4>and your family all the best for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Ensure your break.

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<v Speaker 3>It's lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Tim, Tim appreciate it very much, and likewise

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<v Speaker 2>to you from Rick. It was very small print. I

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<v Speaker 2>may stumble enjoyed your interview with David Seymour today. Last

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<v Speaker 2>week I sent the below letter to Luxelm. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>that you will like it, and I'm happy for you

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<v Speaker 2>to read it out if you wish so, without having

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<v Speaker 2>actually read it. Let's read it out, High Prime Minister. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>not formal enough. I am appalled you are tolerant of

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<v Speaker 2>a small minority of married activists that are taking over

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<v Speaker 2>our country. They do not represent real Marie Kiwis. What

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<v Speaker 2>happened in Parliament was appalling and should never have been allowed.

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<v Speaker 2>These clowns do not speak for Mary and they certainly

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<v Speaker 2>do not speak for me. Man up. These radicals are

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<v Speaker 2>destroying our beautiful country and you, sir, are allowing it.

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<v Speaker 2>You are being wimpy at best. You are making and

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<v Speaker 2>allowing these racist people to divide New Zealand, and you

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<v Speaker 2>are making the majority of Kiwi's become unnecessarily racist. This

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<v Speaker 2>is evil. I have been informed by a person who

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<v Speaker 2>had to clean up the mess on a number of

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<v Speaker 2>rail stations as a result of this protest. These activist

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<v Speaker 2>Maris have no regard or respect for property belonging to

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<v Speaker 2>the public or anybody but have or anybody but have

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<v Speaker 2>trashed it with them rubbish and beer bottles. I have

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<v Speaker 2>seen the photos just outright vandalism on the stations where

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<v Speaker 2>they have been sleeping as well. They don't care. But

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<v Speaker 2>what is more important is the government does not care,

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<v Speaker 2>and the media is feeding us rubbish and not telling

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<v Speaker 2>us the truth of what is really going down. Highways

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<v Speaker 2>being blocked and people people's cars being poked with their flags, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister, wake up, we'll remember the next election. Just as

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<v Speaker 2>an aside, you are saying that there are two classes

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<v Speaker 2>of Kiwi's Mary and non Mary, and the mary have

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<v Speaker 2>special rights. That is racism, separatism apart eid.

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<v Speaker 3>Wake up.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to live in a country like this.

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<v Speaker 2>From Rick, she'd say it as he feels.

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<v Speaker 4>Later, Nicki says many thanks for your podcast this week

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<v Speaker 4>with David Seymour. Great timing for those of us who

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<v Speaker 4>intend to make a submission. First up, I disagree with

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<v Speaker 4>David's ambivalence on our country's name. In our circle, we're

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<v Speaker 4>off and found correcting the news media on their use

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<v Speaker 4>of out here are New Zealand, we shout into the abyss.

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<v Speaker 4>The second is his term fucker putiah hey fucker butanga

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<v Speaker 4>Heyfukaputanga was the Minority Northern Chiefs Initiative which was never ratified,

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<v Speaker 4>nor did it prevent further into tribal warfare. It was

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<v Speaker 4>superseded by the treaty five years later. Third, the representation

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<v Speaker 4>question MMP is in Therefore race based seats are out

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<v Speaker 4>both act in New Zealand first or in general agreement.

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<v Speaker 4>Perhaps National could grow a democratic spine. Lastly, David's expressed

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<v Speaker 4>a view that the National Party has more important things

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<v Speaker 4>to worry about, like the economy, than correcting fifty years

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<v Speaker 4>of mistruths, which resulted in the establishment of the co

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<v Speaker 4>Governance Partnership. Thee for cultural engagement. Is this political expediency

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<v Speaker 4>towards the next election or satire? New Zealand's EWE already

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<v Speaker 4>have a seventy billion dollar economy of their own. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 4>it is time they contributed corporate bracket taxes and refunded

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<v Speaker 4>extortionate engagement fees that would aid our economy. Aren't we

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<v Speaker 4>all equal citizens under the treaty and not partners in

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<v Speaker 4>our constitutional monarchy? What is it called when welfare becomes wealthfare?

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting times? Says Nicki.

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<v Speaker 2>It is interesting times all over. Change of subject from

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<v Speaker 2>George editing Nuclear and New Zealand just doesn't go together.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote unquote so says Paul Beck, New Zealand Herald at

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight eleven twenty four. The question of whether it

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<v Speaker 2>was appropriate to establish a nuclear waste facility on a

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<v Speaker 2>site without notifying neighboring property owners is valid. However, for

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<v Speaker 2>Beck to say that we should shun anything nuclear is

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<v Speaker 2>simply folly. Nuclear technology plays a significant role in modern medicine,

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<v Speaker 2>including some cancer treatments and in providing scans for diagnon

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<v Speaker 2>nosing a raft of medical conditions. The development of this

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<v Speaker 2>technology in recent decades has saved many lives and has

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<v Speaker 2>delivered the quality of life to countless patients which would

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<v Speaker 2>not have been possible otherwise. Current research in nuclear technology

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<v Speaker 2>is also providing solutions for future electricity needs as demands

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<v Speaker 2>for more capacity grows worldwide. Some will agree that anything

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear should be avoided at all costs. So are we

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<v Speaker 2>to bury our heads in the sand and deny ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>the considerable advantages of technological progress? Or shall we get

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<v Speaker 2>over our irrational paranoia of all things nuclear? George, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I agree with you wholeheartedly pretty much. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what bothers me elsewhere in this podcast. I've may

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<v Speaker 2>mention of people leaving the country going to Australia. I

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<v Speaker 2>am concerned that the country's IQ is dropping like a

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<v Speaker 2>rock at the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Leighton Stephen says, thank you for interviewing David Seymour for

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<v Speaker 4>yesterday's podcast. I gave act my party vote because I

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<v Speaker 4>wanted them to deal with this chaotic situation with the treaty. However,

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<v Speaker 4>David lost more than a few points from me when

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<v Speaker 4>he stated his ambivalence about the name of this country.

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<v Speaker 4>It has been New Zealand since the time of Abel Tasman.

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<v Speaker 4>It was not the British who named the place, and

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<v Speaker 4>to even contemplate changing the name at all is not acceptable.

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<v Speaker 4>The name of a country is the label of its soul.

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<v Speaker 4>It is not something to be flippant about. While I

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<v Speaker 4>have a lot of respect and regard for David, his

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<v Speaker 4>las a fair attitude towards the name brings into question

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<v Speaker 4>his commitment to his other policies. I enjoy your podcast,

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<v Speaker 4>says Stephen, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>He lost a few points on that commentary. We got

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<v Speaker 2>more mail on it, but we can't read it all.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there is a thing called bracket creep. It's

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<v Speaker 2>usually applied to Texas. Tried to say this to him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try and do it better now. But

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<v Speaker 2>there is this thing called bracket creep, and if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not aware of it, you get robbed. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about, bracket creep inflation and you find yourself

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<v Speaker 2>moving into higher tax brackets. Same principle with this, you

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<v Speaker 2>will allow whatever creep it is. In this case it's

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<v Speaker 2>racial creep. You're allowed to get a foothold, and before

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<v Speaker 2>you know it, you're moving up the latter at a

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<v Speaker 2>rate of knots. And that the longer you wait, the

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<v Speaker 2>more difficult it is to rectify, as we are finding

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<v Speaker 2>out now with the Treaty Principles Bill. Now from Allen. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is actually written to me and separately to his

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<v Speaker 2>own address to David Seymour. I want to congratulate Layton

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<v Speaker 2>allowing David a lengthy, yet succinct, informative opening statement overview

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<v Speaker 2>of salient points of New Zealand's constitutional history and podcast

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<v Speaker 2>to sixty seven. David's comprehensive answer was both informative and apt.

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<v Speaker 2>Unlike Layton admitted at the end of that answer, I

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<v Speaker 2>believe all of us listening learnt at least a few

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<v Speaker 2>facts previously likely unknown that's opening set the scene through

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<v Speaker 2>a uniquely interesting podcast discussion, being catalyst by the introduction

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<v Speaker 2>of the Principles of the Treaty of Whiteangi Bill twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four to the New Zealand Parliament by Coalition Partner Act.

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<v Speaker 2>Whilst I suggest an alternative viewpoint see copy attached to

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<v Speaker 2>my submission to the Parliamentary Select Committee hearing of submissions

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<v Speaker 2>on the Bill. I commend you both on providing a

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<v Speaker 2>most useful discussion session to listen to. But you get

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<v Speaker 2>the picture. By the way, Allen's a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 4>Knows what he's talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, not all lawyers, do you know? That's not that's

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<v Speaker 2>a that's a whole lot of pot. I've got a

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<v Speaker 2>reflection on Allen, but not all lawyers do.

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<v Speaker 4>Leydon Brett, this is a lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>So of them become judges even still don't.

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<v Speaker 4>This is my final email and a lovely one to

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<v Speaker 4>finish on. Brett says warm wishes to you both as

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<v Speaker 4>you remind us another year will soon have passed in

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<v Speaker 4>the lives of yourselves, guest contributors and listeners alike. Before

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<v Speaker 4>I get further taken over by life's challenges and happenings

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<v Speaker 4>that I may forget one simple task. I wish you

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<v Speaker 4>a very merry Christmas and most happy New Year. Have

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<v Speaker 4>a great, adventurous and rewarding year to come, a present

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<v Speaker 4>which you get to unpack every day of your lives.

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<v Speaker 4>You are indeed wealthy people in the journey and rich

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<v Speaker 4>tapestry of life. Are wealth shared with those lives you

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<v Speaker 4>touch upon and touch upon you. As I keep saying, Brett,

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<v Speaker 4>it's nothing to do with me.

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<v Speaker 3>I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Sworn in every now and again. Well, I feel touched

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<v Speaker 2>for both of us, and Brett.

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<v Speaker 4>Says, by the grace of God, go I and us

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<v Speaker 4>all have a wonderful break. Brett, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really lovely of you. And merry Christmas and happy

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<v Speaker 4>New Year to you too.

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<v Speaker 2>Think you have a lovely break. We got a three

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<v Speaker 2>months off or something? Or am I mistaken?

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<v Speaker 4>You don't want three months off? You You'll be champing

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<v Speaker 4>at the bit after about four weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>You think, Okay, So we'll see you next week, Yes

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<v Speaker 2>for the grand Final, Absolutely, yes, Tony astall look forward

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<v Speaker 2>to that. Now. This segment comes in three different parts.

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<v Speaker 2>We start with part one, which was a press release

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<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday, of this week from ACT ACT is warning

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<v Speaker 2>that new standards of competence for registered and enrolled nurses

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<v Speaker 2>will distract from individual patient needs and make it harder

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<v Speaker 2>to attract and retain nurses. The role of the nursing

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<v Speaker 2>count is to protect the health and safety of the

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<v Speaker 2>public and ensure nurses are competent and fit to practice,

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<v Speaker 2>but new standards of competence set to be implemented on

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<v Speaker 2>January twenty will veer the nursing profession badly off track,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the ACT Health spokesperson Todd Stevenson. Stevenson goes further,

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<v Speaker 2>Once upon a time, being a nurse was a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of having the right skills and a kind heart. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we're asking nurses to have the correct views on the

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<v Speaker 2>Treaty of White Hangi and to make assumptions about patient's

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<v Speaker 2>needs based on their ethnicity. The six planned pillars of

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<v Speaker 2>competency for registered nurses are Mari health. Example, nurses must

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<v Speaker 2>use terrao and incorporate tikangamari into practice. Number two Cultural safety.

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<v Speaker 2>Nurses must be able to describe the impact of colonization

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<v Speaker 2>and advocates for cultural and spiritual health. Part three A

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<v Speaker 2>word that I can't pronounce going to get plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>criticism from it. I haven't come across it before, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to. I'm not going to buger it up,

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak. So it comes under the heading basically

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<v Speaker 2>of communication. Example, nurses must use culturally appropriate communication in

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<v Speaker 2>all interactions. Part four Evidence informed nursing practice. Nurses must

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<v Speaker 2>support far our choice of alternative therapies, such as the

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<v Speaker 2>use of wrongeye as herbal remedies and massage and spiritual healing.

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<v Speaker 2>Number five. People centeredness. Nurses must integrate relational and FOCKERPAPA

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<v Speaker 2>centered care to meet the needs of people and parno

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<v Speaker 2>and leadership is number six. Nurses must support the constant

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<v Speaker 2>assessment and improvement of sustainability practice or practice says so.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to Todd Stevenson, rather than seeing patients as people

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<v Speaker 2>with basic humanity and individual needs, nurses are being told

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<v Speaker 2>to focus on their patient's ethnic identity. Clinical needs are

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<v Speaker 2>sidelined in favor of a focus on the treaty, cultural safety,

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<v Speaker 2>and even spiritual concerns. According to Stevenson, I have been

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<v Speaker 2>contacted by nurses who are bewildered by the standards and

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<v Speaker 2>are concerned they will be required to take extensive additional

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<v Speaker 2>trainings when they would rather focus on improving individual nursing skills.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to wonder how we're meant to attract overseas

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<v Speaker 2>trained nurses when our bespoke local standards send the message

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<v Speaker 2>that their skills and experience are not valued. Here on Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote to the Minister of Health asking that he

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<v Speaker 2>assess the impact of the proposed competencies. In fact, during

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<v Speaker 2>the election campaign, Act propose giving the Health Ministry power

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<v Speaker 2>to override decisions of regulatory authorities like the Nursing Council

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<v Speaker 2>if the Minister believes those decisions go beyond what is

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<v Speaker 2>necessary to protect public health and safety. Now that's the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the Act release, and so do Part two.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this was and by somebody I know quite well,

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine in fact, and it was published

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days ago prior to the Act release.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is entertaining in and of itself. And so

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<v Speaker 2>it begins. The first week in November promised a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>On the Tuesday, the liberal women of America were going

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<v Speaker 2>to show men that they would reclaim the right to

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<v Speaker 2>abort their babies at any time and place they wished.

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<v Speaker 2>And the educated elites on campus and in the media

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<v Speaker 2>were set to prove that lies told often enough constitute

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<v Speaker 2>the truth, so long as they are told by the

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<v Speaker 2>right people. By Wednesday, according to smart people, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>would be holed up at marri Lago with his idiot

1:20:49.653 --> 1:20:54.293
<v Speaker 2>savant newby Elon Musk, licking his wounds and sharing hamburgers

1:20:54.293 --> 1:20:59.333
<v Speaker 2>with RFK Junior. On Wednesday, my grandson would turn two

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<v Speaker 2>and receive a bright red fire engine to add to

1:21:02.053 --> 1:21:04.613
<v Speaker 2>his collection of trucks. It was going to be quite

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<v Speaker 2>a week. Unfortunately I missed it. On Monday night, Nature

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<v Speaker 2>sent its silent assassin to visit me. Sepsus arrives invisibly

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<v Speaker 2>and without warning. By Tuesday, I vomited fourteen times, to

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<v Speaker 2>the point that water came back out of my mouth

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<v Speaker 2>as quickly as I tried to sip it, and nausey

1:21:22.853 --> 1:21:26.573
<v Speaker 2>appeals couldn't get past my pharynx. Being a male, I

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<v Speaker 2>lay down to let it pass. It didn't. On Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>I crawled to the room where my cell phone sat

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<v Speaker 2>on its charger and tried to alert a political junkie

1:21:35.933 --> 1:21:38.573
<v Speaker 2>friend that I couldn't keep our date. To pore over

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<v Speaker 2>the entrails of the election as planned. The text read,

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<v Speaker 2>have hav she waited for more? There wasn't any more.

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<v Speaker 2>The cell phone lay on the floor, and so did I.

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<v Speaker 2>When the building valet staff, concierge, and ambulance crew arrived,

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<v Speaker 2>they spread me out like a starfish and bared my

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<v Speaker 2>chest for the cardio version machine, as if none of

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<v Speaker 2>this had anything to do with me. I collected snippets

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<v Speaker 2>of conversation for clues as to the scene taking place.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get the catamine in quick. Tell any one who

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<v Speaker 2>needs to know we may not make it in time.

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<v Speaker 2>Ain't going to die on our watchman, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>ambulance bros said, reassuringly, No way, bro, not no way,

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<v Speaker 2>no how. His fellow bro replies, they write rap lyrics

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<v Speaker 2>in their spare time. I thought, then the good part.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking down at this person who looks a lot

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<v Speaker 2>like me, who was lying prone on a Stanley Kubrick

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<v Speaker 2>or George Lucas spaceship set while I give increasingly frustrated directions,

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<v Speaker 2>as if being the actor, a cameraman and director is

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<v Speaker 2>too much of one person to handle. The set is great, though,

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<v Speaker 2>and the transition to the next scene is seamless. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking down at myself, traveling at the speed of

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<v Speaker 2>a sushi train through dry white mist, illuminated by a

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<v Speaker 2>strong light. My face is serene to the point of

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<v Speaker 2>being dopey. I'm never serene. I have a moment of anxiety,

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<v Speaker 2>wondering if it's true that finger nails and toenails continue

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<v Speaker 2>to grow after you who cuts them. The light goes out.

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<v Speaker 2>When I woke, my best friend was holding my hand.

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<v Speaker 2>She looked at me as though this time I'd gone

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<v Speaker 2>too far. I peered through a forest of catheters and

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<v Speaker 2>tubes coming out of my neck, my arms, and my chest.

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<v Speaker 2>Beeping monitors competed with each other for attention. Apparently, the

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<v Speaker 2>first words I said were that ketamine baby. My daughter

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<v Speaker 2>arrived from Australia, my son from Nelson. My grandson loved

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<v Speaker 2>his fire truck, but the siren was driving them mad.

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<v Speaker 2>Removed the battery. I suggested you were dead on arrival.

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<v Speaker 2>She replied, don't do that again. The cliches are all true.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we get into the parth that's relative. The cliches

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<v Speaker 2>are all true. Nurses are angels. They come from the Philippines, India,

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<v Speaker 2>Asia and the Pacific Islands with ready made smiles on

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<v Speaker 2>their faces. We pay them nothing. The young doctors travel

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<v Speaker 2>in threes, visiting every four hours to read the charts

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<v Speaker 2>and hypothesize about the meds and their dosage levels. I

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<v Speaker 2>doubt if one of them is over thirty, working fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>hour shifts, carrying the weight of hundreds of sick and

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<v Speaker 2>dying people on their shoulders. The administrative bureaucracy, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>lets send down. I could write a list. So that

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<v Speaker 2>was my November. In Michele Wellmeck's latest novel, Annihilation, the

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<v Speaker 2>French health bureaucracy separates health from humanity until end of

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<v Speaker 2>life care becomes a punishment subservient to systems. This inspires

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<v Speaker 2>the establishment of a volunteer group called CLASH, the Committee

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<v Speaker 2>for Liberation from Assassination in hospitals. They rescue people in

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<v Speaker 2>the dead of night and return them to the people

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<v Speaker 2>who love them after a week in recovery, listening to

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<v Speaker 2>the fog horn snoring and the obsessive recounting of a

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<v Speaker 2>dying man's life as he searched for a version of

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<v Speaker 2>himself that he could accept. At the last I was

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<v Speaker 2>lying in bed, desperately seeking a snatch of sleep, when

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<v Speaker 2>a marry woman visitor to the ward decided to conduct

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<v Speaker 2>a telephone conversation in terreo at full volume, as if

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<v Speaker 2>she were in a shopping ball. It lasted an hour

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<v Speaker 2>and a half, barely two meters from my curtained bed.

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<v Speaker 2>On his next ward rounds, I told my brilliant young

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese doctor about clash recovery. I mused, relies equally on

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit as it does to the body. In order

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<v Speaker 2>to preserve my spirit, I intended escaping. He nodded his

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<v Speaker 2>head and smiled. I'll need an hour or so at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of my rounds to write you a discharge

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<v Speaker 2>and arrange a meds. Back home and feather bedded comfort

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<v Speaker 2>fussed over like a visiting celebrity. I feeled at a

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<v Speaker 2>call from a friend in Sydney. What's it like on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side, he asked. I assured him that it

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<v Speaker 2>is painless and peaceful. The pain is on this side.

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<v Speaker 2>My political junkie friend brought me up to date with

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<v Speaker 2>a presidential election. A mass sociogenic hysteria had broken out

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<v Speaker 2>among liberal women, causing them to cut off their hair

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<v Speaker 2>and gather in lakeside mobs to howl hysterically at the moon.

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<v Speaker 2>Four year cruise packages were being offered to Democrats, allowing

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<v Speaker 2>them to stay away from America until the madness had passed.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Zuckerberg, who had banned Donald Trump from his social

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<v Speaker 2>platforms in twenty twenty and fed his sights with false

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<v Speaker 2>information from the state intelligence community, had gone down to

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<v Speaker 2>mare Lago to kiss the new monarch's ring. It had

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<v Speaker 2>been a clean sweep. The pain is on this side,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, but for the woke allergic majority, the

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<v Speaker 2>pain has eased a little a I Faber. If you

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<v Speaker 2>want to copy it for yourself and share it round,

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<v Speaker 2>it's worth it, I reckon Ai Fabler, substack, help yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's free, and it's a true story, and it covers

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<v Speaker 2>more bases than he intended to in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>If you go back to I haven't finished yet. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you go back to the list of the pillars

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<v Speaker 2>that they're installing as of January twenty, you can see

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<v Speaker 2>that at least fifty percent of them. Well, I'll let

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<v Speaker 2>this follower tell the story. Because I sent that release,

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<v Speaker 2>the act release, to Ai Fabler, I said, would you

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<v Speaker 2>care to comment on it?

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<v Speaker 3>Please?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what he'd say, but I suspected this

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<v Speaker 2>is late in my experience during an extended period in

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<v Speaker 2>ice you followed by recovery in a four patient ward

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<v Speaker 2>was that the majority of nurses were from the Philippines, India,

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<v Speaker 2>Asia and Pacific Islands. Without exception, their competence and devotion

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<v Speaker 2>to patients was exemplary. Shortness of staffing, particularly at night,

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<v Speaker 2>meant that nurses had an informal agreement to cover for

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<v Speaker 2>each other in neighboring ICEEU rooms, and sometimes Philippine staff

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<v Speaker 2>or Indian staff would call to each other in their

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<v Speaker 2>own language to attract attention under urgency, but would always

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<v Speaker 2>advise the patient in English as to what was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I was never conscious of my ethnicity being a factor

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<v Speaker 2>in any treatment, no matter how sensitive that treatment. There

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<v Speaker 2>may have been reference to my ethnicity in the record

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<v Speaker 2>of my NHI number, but never on any records of treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>During my period of stay. I never encountered a Mari

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<v Speaker 2>nurse or doctor, but did observe the treatment and expectations

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<v Speaker 2>of married patients and visitors, which I would rather not

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<v Speaker 2>comment upon. The Nursing Council list of expectations has no

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<v Speaker 2>relevance add all to the health, safety, or cultural well

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<v Speaker 2>being of eighty five percent of patients who have no

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<v Speaker 2>desire to be addressed in terraea or to be treated

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<v Speaker 2>with reference to so called Marii custom. And he finalizes

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<v Speaker 2>with this sentence, which is most important. Further, it would

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<v Speaker 2>be a burden on dedicated staff of other ethnicities who

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<v Speaker 2>have been trained in Western medicine and put their faith

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<v Speaker 2>in itslutely regards. Make of it what you will. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just another example of this country going inch by inch,

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<v Speaker 2>step by step in an undesirable direction. At least that's

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<v Speaker 2>my take. And that will take us out for Podcast

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and sixty eight. We shall return in a

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<v Speaker 2>few days with podcasts to sixty nine, the last for

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<v Speaker 2>the year, and it's got to be a great discussion

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<v Speaker 2>with Tony Astral from Antoine's Restaurant. As it was that

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<v Speaker 2>is no longer so in the meantime, the only thing

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