1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Miko Rubio in the last couple of hours has talked about, well, 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: we had JD. Vance come out and say no, we 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: didn't want regime change in Iran. We just wanted to 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: hit the nuclear facilities, which is exactly what they did. 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: But look out, regime change could be coming if you 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: continue trying to get your hands on a nuclear weapon. 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: If Iran is committed to becoming a nuclear weapons power, 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: I do think it puts the regime at risk. I 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: really do. 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: I think it would be the end of the regime 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: of their tribe to do that. 12 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: Now, our Defense Force is sending AC one thirty j 13 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: Hercules to the Middle East to assist any key we 14 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: stranded in Iran or Israel. Winston Peters at this point 15 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: not saying whether we supported America's strikes or not. Judith Collins, 16 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: the Minister of Defense, is with me life this morning. Minister, 17 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: Good morning, Oh, good morning, Ryan. Do you have any 18 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: update on those numbers. Apparently there were lots coming out 19 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: of the woodwork yesterday you were saying any more overnight, 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 1: not that. 21 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: I'm aware of yet. But as we've said many times now, 22 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: people should not be in there as you can possibly 23 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: get out to get yourself out there by any sayfish 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: way possible. 25 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: Is it frustrating that people haven't been signing up from 26 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: day one and doing what you said? 27 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that people work on the pray and 28 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 2: hope strategy often, which is like, I know, we've heard 29 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 2: this all before, nothing's going to happen. In those people 30 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: who have been in the region for a while, they 31 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: often think like that. But it's a natural human condition 32 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: to hope for the best, and I think it's very 33 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: important everyone takes the opportunity while they can to get 34 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: themselves out to the borders. As I said, those airspace 35 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: have not opened up their clothes, so we can't just 36 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: fly in. We've got to have people to come out to. 37 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: The borders at mom Yeah, and I mean there are 38 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: land borders open from Israel in a Jordan and Egypt 39 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: or open, so you could cross land and then potentially 40 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: get a commercial flight anyway. 41 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, But we've also one of the reasons 42 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: for having the Hercules there with our people is that 43 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: should those should their airspace open up at all, then 44 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: we can possibly go into some areas. But the point is, 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 2: I really get yourself to a land order if possible. 46 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: Yesterday I was watching you and Minister Peters that Finolapie 47 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: said that, you know, we're waiting on more information to 48 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: determine if the strike was justified or not from the 49 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: United States. Do we have any more information? Do you 50 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: have a view yet? 51 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: Well, I don't not overnight, and that would normally be 52 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: the Foreign Affairs or to deal with that. But no, 53 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: I don't have any more information. 54 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: Do you know whether it was legal or illegal? 55 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: No, I'm not trying to give you a legal advice 56 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: on something I don't have full information on. 57 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: Writ we still have We still have personnel Minister in 58 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: Jordan Air for Operation Gallant Phoenix, because I know you 59 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: did an update on that a couple of weeks back. 60 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: This is under US Special Operations Command. Are they at 61 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: any risk of a retaliatory strike by Iran? 62 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: I would not have thought so, and the Defense Force 63 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: has made their assessment on risk. We do have, as 64 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: you write, you say, quite a few people in the 65 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: Middle East, and our people in the Middle East. You know, 66 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: obviously for most in our minds, my view is don't 67 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 2: take unnecessary risk, particularly a small nation like ours. We 68 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: have to be very careful about what we do but 69 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: I don't believe our people are under any particular threats 70 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: according to. 71 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: Defense, so none of them are being moved. 72 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: Well, I can't say exactly where everybody is, but I 73 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: can tell you that we still are continuing with some 74 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: of our operations in the Middle East, but there are 75 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: some people have already been moved out. Sorry to be vague, 76 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: but we have to be bad. 77 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: It's okay when you say people were moved out, you 78 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: mean in the last week as. 79 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: A result of this, in the last week or go. 80 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: And any change to the war games that are going 81 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: to be happening. I think it's July nine due to 82 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: start a Talisman Saber in off the Queensland coast. We've got, 83 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, people being sent there. Any change to that 84 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: at all. 85 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of. I wouldn't have thought not. 86 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: It just depends what happens. I mean, I think everyone's 87 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: very aware in the sense that anything can happen at 88 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: any stage, so they've just got to be prepared. But 89 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: at this stage there's no change, okay. 90 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 1: And new funding for Ukraine, I see it announced overnight 91 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: by Prime Minister Luxe and we had actually the ambassador 92 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: on our Herald show a week or so ago and 93 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: he was talking about maybe we could pick up some 94 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: of their drones. Are we looking at that at all? 95 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 2: Yes, we have actually quite a few drones ourselves in 96 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: terms of the manufacturing of New Zealand, but it would 97 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: be it's a very nice offer that Ukraine has learned 98 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: an awful lot about warfare using drones, and they're also 99 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: they've made let's say that have learnt a lot more 100 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 2: than many other people have. So there's nothing wrong with 101 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: us actually talking to Ukraine about what those lessons are. 102 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: Impossibly some of those drugs, but I think right at 103 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 2: the moment they're drones net the theory in crime. 104 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: Appreciate your time this morning, minister. That's Judith Colin, c 105 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: Defense Minister. For more from earlier edition with Ryan Bridge. 106 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: Listen live to News Talks it'd be from five am weekdays, 107 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.