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Speaker 1: Here we go. Research has found some vegan products are

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Speaker 1: worse for the environment than the real thing. Yeah. Oxford

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Speaker 1: University has examined twenty four foods used as substitutes for

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Speaker 1: meat and dairy and scored them on things like production

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Speaker 1: cost and land and water use. They found that almond

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Speaker 1: milk and lab grown meat like fake bacon and veggie

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Speaker 1: burgers aren't actually better for the environment, and in some

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Speaker 1: cases they're actually worse nutritionous Nicky Hert is with us, Now,

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Speaker 1: I killed a good evening hi cura. So just explain

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Speaker 1: to us, how are these alternative foods potentially worse for

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Speaker 1: the environment.

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Speaker 2: Well, it all comes down to ultraprocessing. Really. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we want you to eat a vast array of fruit

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Speaker 2: and vegetables, whole grains, legumes, all those kind of things,

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Speaker 2: but we want them mostly in their natural state. Jack.

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Speaker 2: We don't want them that they've been manipulated and have

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Speaker 2: been created with salt and preservatives and those kind of things.

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Speaker 2: So when I'm thinking about someone wanting to be a vegan,

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Speaker 2: I want them to look at the traditional cultures and

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Speaker 2: how they used to put their legumes and grains and

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Speaker 2: things together. That's what we're after we're not wanting all

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Speaker 2: these fake foods. That's not good at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So okay, so it comes down to the processing.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean that these foods are also worse for

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Speaker 1: your health? They're not just worse for the environment. Potentially,

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Speaker 1: they're potentially worse for your health than the real thing

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean I think it all started when we

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Speaker 2: began to see this ground swell around climate crisis, and

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Speaker 2: everybody was thinking, Okay, what can I do? What's my

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Speaker 2: part to play in protecting the planet, And so there

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Speaker 2: was this huge swell of all these new products. But

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Speaker 2: we began to think, well, hang on a minute, they're

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Speaker 2: better than there's some of their parts, Like, for example,

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Speaker 2: a lot of these fake products don't contain adequate sources

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Speaker 2: of protein. And you know, we've got an aging pop population.

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Speaker 2: We don't want the loss of mass or their bones

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Speaker 2: to be at or compromised because they're trying to do

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Speaker 2: something right when in fact it could be bad for

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Speaker 2: their health.

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Speaker 1: Almonds are the big one for me. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't mind a little almond from time to time, but

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Speaker 1: it's ridiculous, like to make one almond, you just kind

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Speaker 1: of you need like topol right, it's a ridiculous amount.

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Speaker 2: Of water, exactly right. So if you're wanting to use

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Speaker 2: plant milk because you ethically don't want to eat drink

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Speaker 2: cow's milk, then the next one along that I would

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Speaker 2: suggest people try is a soy milk because at least

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Speaker 2: it is from a legum and has adequate sources of

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Speaker 2: protein and calcium. The other ones are not so much.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's less problems with soy than there

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Speaker 2: is the light the likes of almond.

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Speaker 1: And I got to read the label because sometimes with

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Speaker 1: the sour milks they get a lot of sugar in

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Speaker 1: them sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, you know, exactly. So this is more about

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Speaker 2: can people just eat a natural based food source like

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Speaker 2: I would rather you eat almonds and drink milk, Or

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Speaker 2: if you're wanting to be a vegan, then use chickpeas

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Speaker 2: and put them into a curry with rice and brown

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Speaker 2: rice and so you get all your amene acids. So

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Speaker 2: it's not just I mean, if I was a vegan,

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Speaker 2: I don't think i'd want to tweet something called not

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Speaker 2: bacon because that just sounds wrong. You know.

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Speaker 1: My attitude is and this isn't really a scientific editude

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Speaker 1: but my attitude is you can't get something for nothing, right,

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Speaker 1: So anytime anytime you think you're getting something that tastes

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Speaker 1: like super delicious without the calories or like you know,

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Speaker 1: environmental or nutritional impact, is the real thing something that's

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Speaker 1: pretending to be something that isn't Nana, there's officialkin there.

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Speaker 1: That's what I reckon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so for me, you know, we know jack

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Speaker 2: a Mediterranean style diet or one that's called the DASH diet,

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Speaker 2: which is dietary approaches to against hypertension. Those are the

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Speaker 2: only two diets that are actually recommended by healthcare professionals,

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Speaker 2: dietitians and nutritionists because we know that their whole and

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Speaker 2: they're natural, and it's you know, it's it's balanced, and

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Speaker 2: that's what we need everybody to be thinking about.

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Speaker 1: Very good. Hey, thanks for your time, Niki. We appreciate it.

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