1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: So Anna Bremen Reserve Bank governor yesterday held the ocr 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: reckons will be back in target range for inflation by 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: the end of the year. Cameron Baggery Independent economists with 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: me this morning, Cameron, good morning, good morning. Did they 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: get the tone right? 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: Well? At your markets have been thinking that the reserve 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: banks can be highly possibly two twice before the end 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 2: of the year. The Reserve Bank pushed back a little 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: bit against that. They said more likely than not, probably one. 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: But the general s what that's what the Reserve Bank 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: is saying is the next move in interest rates is up, 12 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: but it looks like will be at the back after 13 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: this year as opposed to first off. 14 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: And is she right? Are they right, I should say, 15 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: on the inflation track. Do you think that they're getting 16 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: that right because that basically predicts what they do with 17 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: the rates? 18 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, I've got what you call a set of 19 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: holy guilty of the economic forecast. Growth has up to 20 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: three percent in place, magically goes back to two percent, 21 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: the unemployment rate sort of drops, productivities up, their house 22 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: prices move back up to around four to five percent. 23 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: There's a little bit of magic and achieving dose of outcomes. 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: If I think there's a problem within their forecast. The 25 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: problem with theirs is they assume uptick in productivity growth. 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: Now we need that uptick in productivity growth, which is 27 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: that drives a supply side capacity in your comment, your 28 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: ability to meet demand. Now we know that demand line 29 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: is packing up. What the Reserve Bank is assuming is 30 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: that the supply side capacity via productivity growth is going 31 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 2: to improve. And if demand and supply both improved, then 32 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: we're not going to have an inflation problem over twenty 33 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: twenty six. If we do not get that supply so 34 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: or capacity up, then in place is going to prove 35 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: to be a lot more sticky and it's not going 36 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: to come down to two percent. As the Reserve Bank are. 37 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: Saying, productivity very hard thing to fix, isn't it. 38 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, and a lot of the leavers to 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: ten productivity around lots of infrastructure education their long term 40 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: In nature, what we tend to see though, is that 41 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: productivity tends to wax and wane with the economic cycle. 42 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: At the top of the cycle, productivity tends to sort 43 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: of back off. What you tend to see early in 44 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: the cycle traditionally is a productivity growth starts to pick up. 45 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: What We're seen early in this cycle. There's employment growth 46 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: and ours works have started to pack up pretty early 47 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,119 Speaker 2: in the economic cycle, so that suggests a face edue. 48 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: We actually not seen much of what's called a cyclical 49 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: pickup and productivity growth. 50 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: Yet interesting stuff. Cameron Cameron Bagri Independent Economists with us 51 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: this morning. For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, 52 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: listen live to News Talks it'd be from five am weekdays, 53 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.