1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: And that's a putting forward a member's bill that bans 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: social media for under sixteen year olds. The TOOKI tookimp 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Catherine Web's bill would put responsibility of age verification on 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: the social media companies, so that's their job. The idea 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: is supported by the Prime Minister, but ACT doesn't like it. 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Nathan Wallace's parenting expert with us this morning. Nathan, good morning, 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: Good morning, Ryan. 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: How are you mate? 9 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: Very good? Thank you great to have you on the show. 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: Now to phones, have we established that phones make kids 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: depressed and messed with their heads and turns them into 12 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: you nutbars? 13 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, The short answer is yere, we have that. 14 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 2: In the last like three years, the research has really 15 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: moved from being coronith where where those we know that 16 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: they started to get anxiety and depression rates started to 17 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: go up at the same time as kids got cell phones. 18 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: But that's not the same as causative research that actually 19 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: shows us causing it, Whereas now there's clear evidence that 20 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: shows that social media is actually causing the depression and anxiety. 21 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so Tick, we do know that we can say 22 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: that definitively alcohol does bad things to them, Drugs does that, 23 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: cigarettes is bad for your health. We don't let them 24 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: do that, so should really? Yeah, so what are we doing? 25 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my way of thinking too. I think it's 26 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: been a social experiment because we didn't know it was bad. 27 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: It's going back to those old days when they didn't 28 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: know cigarette smoking was bad, so you know, doctors recommend 29 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: it and stuff. But then that changed, and I think 30 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: it's a similar situation. We now know, oh, whoops, that's 31 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: way worse than we thought, way worse and were comprehended, 32 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: and now we need to, you know, be the responsible 33 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: parents and take the steps to protect our kids from it. 34 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: How do you do that? Though? If a kid gets drunk, 35 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: you can tell because they're stumbling around the house, they 36 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: smell like cigarettes. How do you tell what they've been 37 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: using a phone? 38 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: I think there is no hard, fast way that you 39 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: can always tell. I mean, there's all the obvious parenting 40 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: things of restricting it. But I think just by making 41 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: it that they're not supposed to have one for the 42 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: age of sixteen, it's just going to take it out 43 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: of being the norm and instead of every other kid 44 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: at school having one, And it just sends the message 45 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: that it is like cigarettes and alcohol is something we 46 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: need to monitor because it's not just teenagers, it's you know, 47 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: there's an issue with them on screens right from the 48 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: time you're a child. You know, the World Health Organization 49 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: says children under two shouldn't look at screens at all, 50 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: you know, the appropriate number of minutes per day they 51 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: can look at a screen without doing damage a zero. 52 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: And then we know it has big impacts on you know, 53 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: if you give your four year old the cell phone 54 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: or the iPad is a reward, they never want any 55 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: other award after that. It's all the creativity that you know, 56 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 2: sand castle building, the tree huts they're making and stuff. 57 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 2: That stuff doesn't tend to happen because all they want 58 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: to do is go online and you know, go and 59 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: have the screen from of them. It's because it gives 60 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: so much dopamine to the brain, just like alcohol does. 61 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: You know, alcohol gives you a great big breast of 62 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: dopamine and to feel good stuff. 63 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: But at least at least you have some fun though, yeah, yeah, 64 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: and at least it's social. At least it's actually social, 65 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: whereas this is not the it's the antithesis of it. 66 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: Nathan really appreciate you coming on the show. If I 67 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: let you talk any longer, I'm going to get more depressed. God, 68 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: isn't that frightening. Nathan Wallace's parenting expert, with us this morning. 69 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 2: For more Familily edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen live to 70 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from five am weekdays, or follow 71 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.