1 00:00:19,059 --> 00:00:22,178 Speaker 1: Kyota at Chelsea Daniels here, host of the Front Page. 2 00:00:22,379 --> 00:00:24,779 Speaker 1: We're taking a week breakover summer, but to help fill 3 00:00:24,859 --> 00:00:27,859 Speaker 1: the gap, we're re issuing some of our most significant 4 00:00:27,859 --> 00:00:31,379 Speaker 1: episodes of twenty twenty five on behalf of the Front 5 00:00:31,379 --> 00:00:34,098 Speaker 1: Page team. Thanks for listening and we look forward to 6 00:00:34,099 --> 00:00:37,539 Speaker 1: being back with you on January twelfth, twenty twenty six. 7 00:00:42,939 --> 00:00:43,379 Speaker 2: Kyota. 8 00:00:43,418 --> 00:00:46,418 Speaker 1: I'm Chelsea Daniels, and this is the Front Page, a 9 00:00:46,539 --> 00:00:54,579 Speaker 1: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. It was 10 00:00:54,619 --> 00:01:00,099 Speaker 1: February nineteenth, two thousand and thirteen. Marie Schaeffer was excited 11 00:01:00,179 --> 00:01:03,139 Speaker 1: to start a hairdressing course at the Eastern Institute of 12 00:01:03,179 --> 00:01:07,339 Speaker 1: Technology the next day. That night, three cars, a silver 13 00:01:07,419 --> 00:01:10,939 Speaker 1: Holding Commodore, a blue Fort Falcon and a Grayness and 14 00:01:11,059 --> 00:01:15,619 Speaker 1: Skyline was street racing near Napier. The Commodore continued through 15 00:01:15,619 --> 00:01:18,938 Speaker 1: an intersection going well over one hundred and eighty kilometer 16 00:01:18,938 --> 00:01:22,458 Speaker 1: an hour when the driver lost control, slid sideways across 17 00:01:22,499 --> 00:01:24,658 Speaker 1: the road and crashed into a tree. 18 00:01:24,699 --> 00:01:25,499 Speaker 2: There were three. 19 00:01:25,299 --> 00:01:28,899 Speaker 1: Occupants in that car. One was eighteen year old Marie. 20 00:01:29,459 --> 00:01:33,179 Speaker 1: She died at the scene. Twelve years later, and boy 21 00:01:33,299 --> 00:01:38,339 Speaker 1: racer events are still happening. People are injured, cars totaled, 22 00:01:38,499 --> 00:01:43,578 Speaker 1: police intimidated, and people are still dying. Just last month, 23 00:01:43,739 --> 00:01:47,058 Speaker 1: riot police clashed with what the police Minister's calling cowardly 24 00:01:47,299 --> 00:01:51,779 Speaker 1: tryhard idiots in Livin and Palmerston, North and police are 25 00:01:51,819 --> 00:01:55,779 Speaker 1: preparing for more of these gatherings Today. On the front page, 26 00:01:56,019 --> 00:01:59,299 Speaker 1: Kareen Schaefer, Marie's mother tells us what she'd like to 27 00:01:59,339 --> 00:02:01,539 Speaker 1: say to one of these kids and what life is 28 00:02:01,739 --> 00:02:11,539 Speaker 1: like after losing her daughter to street racing. First off, Karin, 29 00:02:11,779 --> 00:02:16,019 Speaker 1: can you tell me about your daughter Marie? 30 00:02:18,299 --> 00:02:23,579 Speaker 2: She's Beautif she was a I don't know. She was 31 00:02:23,699 --> 00:02:27,219 Speaker 2: just the light of the room. Really. Her smile was 32 00:02:27,219 --> 00:02:31,779 Speaker 2: all teeth, It was infectious. She loved her sisters, you know, 33 00:02:31,978 --> 00:02:36,579 Speaker 2: sister Lee love hate that kind of thing. But you 34 00:02:36,659 --> 00:02:38,939 Speaker 2: know she was my best friend. Yeah, she had so 35 00:02:39,019 --> 00:02:45,059 Speaker 2: many friends. Yeah, very ditsy though, yeah. No, she was 36 00:02:45,099 --> 00:02:49,779 Speaker 2: just everything. Was my firstborn, firstborn. And she was going 37 00:02:49,858 --> 00:02:53,059 Speaker 2: to hairdressing. Yeah, she was going to a t she 38 00:02:53,099 --> 00:02:55,258 Speaker 2: was supposed to start the morning after the crash. 39 00:02:55,499 --> 00:02:58,939 Speaker 1: What happened on February nineteenth, twenty thirteen. 40 00:02:59,499 --> 00:03:04,058 Speaker 2: Well, I was at work, just going about her normal thing, 41 00:03:04,099 --> 00:03:07,099 Speaker 2: and Marie was getting all excited about going to AIT 42 00:03:07,418 --> 00:03:10,379 Speaker 2: and my sister had said, oh, come and stay here 43 00:03:10,418 --> 00:03:12,899 Speaker 2: the night, you know, don't stay with your boyfriend, come 44 00:03:12,939 --> 00:03:16,099 Speaker 2: and have an early night. And but no, Marie wanted 45 00:03:16,099 --> 00:03:18,419 Speaker 2: to do her own thing, and she sent one of 46 00:03:18,418 --> 00:03:22,939 Speaker 2: those mail texts things. And by the time I finished 47 00:03:22,978 --> 00:03:24,859 Speaker 2: work it was about halbust ten eleven. Iur, so I 48 00:03:24,899 --> 00:03:29,258 Speaker 2: won't text you back. She might be asleep. Then about 49 00:03:30,459 --> 00:03:33,299 Speaker 2: have us twelve in the morning, I heard a knock 50 00:03:33,339 --> 00:03:35,619 Speaker 2: on the door and it was just a knock, and 51 00:03:35,819 --> 00:03:38,219 Speaker 2: I didn't think anything of it. And I looked outside 52 00:03:38,259 --> 00:03:39,899 Speaker 2: and I didn't know the car, so I just didn't 53 00:03:39,939 --> 00:03:42,179 Speaker 2: answer the door. And then it would have been a 54 00:03:42,179 --> 00:03:45,699 Speaker 2: couple of hours later. The knock was a knock that 55 00:03:46,539 --> 00:03:48,659 Speaker 2: you'll never get out of your head. And I knew 56 00:03:48,699 --> 00:03:51,459 Speaker 2: I had to get up for this knock. And as 57 00:03:51,499 --> 00:03:53,939 Speaker 2: soon as I opened the door and I saw the police, 58 00:03:54,819 --> 00:03:57,859 Speaker 2: I know, I fell to the floor. I screamed. That 59 00:03:58,019 --> 00:04:00,419 Speaker 2: was the end of my world right at that moment. 60 00:04:01,179 --> 00:04:04,099 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you knew something was wrong even just before 61 00:04:04,139 --> 00:04:05,339 Speaker 1: you even answered the door. 62 00:04:05,499 --> 00:04:09,139 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a moment stinct. I think I had 63 00:04:09,179 --> 00:04:11,859 Speaker 2: to get up for that knock, not the other knock. 64 00:04:12,579 --> 00:04:17,219 Speaker 1: What was your first thought and feelings when you heard 65 00:04:17,299 --> 00:04:18,499 Speaker 1: what had actually happened. 66 00:04:18,939 --> 00:04:23,979 Speaker 2: I was liverd I was so angry that his stupid 67 00:04:23,979 --> 00:04:28,059 Speaker 2: boyfriend at the time and your best friend decided to 68 00:04:28,059 --> 00:04:30,459 Speaker 2: be a cool idea to get into the cars and 69 00:04:30,579 --> 00:04:37,419 Speaker 2: have a race. They make tracks for racing, not streets. Yeah, 70 00:04:37,459 --> 00:04:42,019 Speaker 2: I was really really pissed off. I was. I can't 71 00:04:42,059 --> 00:04:47,459 Speaker 2: describe it. It's just yeah, it was done. I've got 72 00:04:47,499 --> 00:04:48,939 Speaker 2: a lot of other words for it, but I want 73 00:04:49,059 --> 00:04:51,259 Speaker 2: to say those words. 74 00:04:52,979 --> 00:04:56,699 Speaker 1: I mean, I bet that was a really confusing feeling 75 00:04:56,739 --> 00:05:01,259 Speaker 1: as well, because you've just lost your daughter, your best friend, 76 00:05:01,059 --> 00:05:04,899 Speaker 1: but feeling angry with her as well. Has that anger passed? 77 00:05:05,299 --> 00:05:09,339 Speaker 2: It's got better. I mean, it doesn't matter how angry 78 00:05:09,379 --> 00:05:13,659 Speaker 2: I am with her or the others involved. I will 79 00:05:13,699 --> 00:05:16,499 Speaker 2: never have a home. So I've learned to live with 80 00:05:16,579 --> 00:05:20,419 Speaker 2: the anger. But I still get really angry when I 81 00:05:20,459 --> 00:05:23,139 Speaker 2: see the crep that goes on on the TV, and 82 00:05:23,179 --> 00:05:26,179 Speaker 2: I think, well, I hope no one knocks on your parents' door. Well. 83 00:05:26,219 --> 00:05:29,419 Speaker 1: The four young men who killed Marie were the first 84 00:05:29,499 --> 00:05:32,259 Speaker 1: in the country to be sentenced under the new anti 85 00:05:32,419 --> 00:05:35,459 Speaker 1: boy racer laws. At the time, though it was called 86 00:05:35,459 --> 00:05:40,379 Speaker 1: the Sentencing Vehicle Confiscation Amendment Act. Tell me about the 87 00:05:40,419 --> 00:05:44,099 Speaker 1: court process, because not only did you lose your daughter 88 00:05:44,179 --> 00:05:46,819 Speaker 1: in such a horrific way and you're dealing with that, 89 00:05:46,899 --> 00:05:49,539 Speaker 1: you're dealing with that trauma, but then you have to 90 00:05:49,579 --> 00:05:54,019 Speaker 1: go through and how was that. 91 00:05:54,579 --> 00:05:57,899 Speaker 2: I would never want to do it again. Ever, it 92 00:05:57,979 --> 00:06:02,659 Speaker 2: was an emotional rollercoaster every day just being in court 93 00:06:02,939 --> 00:06:08,179 Speaker 2: seeing them and then not really showing remorse. You know, 94 00:06:08,339 --> 00:06:11,979 Speaker 2: It's just I really did want to leap up and 95 00:06:12,019 --> 00:06:13,939 Speaker 2: hit them, but then I would have been probably in 96 00:06:13,979 --> 00:06:18,019 Speaker 2: a contempt of court. I don't know. But Corey Eubles, 97 00:06:18,059 --> 00:06:21,139 Speaker 2: he was the policeman at the time. He was great. 98 00:06:22,059 --> 00:06:24,299 Speaker 2: He would sit us down before we went to court 99 00:06:24,379 --> 00:06:27,178 Speaker 2: and just have a talk and no, he was great. 100 00:06:28,099 --> 00:06:30,779 Speaker 2: We sort of knew what was going to be coming 101 00:06:31,059 --> 00:06:34,499 Speaker 2: when we were in the courtroom, but to see and 102 00:06:34,579 --> 00:06:38,619 Speaker 2: hear it and like how it happened, speeds they were going, 103 00:06:40,219 --> 00:06:43,539 Speaker 2: just looking at the state of the car, it was 104 00:06:43,699 --> 00:06:47,779 Speaker 2: just horrible. Just yeah, there's nothing you want to be 105 00:06:47,859 --> 00:06:48,939 Speaker 2: doing at all. 106 00:06:49,339 --> 00:06:51,379 Speaker 1: Can you remember how you felt at the time. Were 107 00:06:51,379 --> 00:06:54,379 Speaker 1: you happy with their sentences? Nah? 108 00:06:55,539 --> 00:06:59,779 Speaker 2: No, they got off lightly. They really did it wasn't enough, 109 00:07:00,339 --> 00:07:02,419 Speaker 2: and they're going to crush cars. You know, boy race 110 00:07:02,499 --> 00:07:05,139 Speaker 2: his cars, You're going to crush them. And I don't 111 00:07:05,139 --> 00:07:09,139 Speaker 2: see much happening at all. The car Marie was and 112 00:07:09,259 --> 00:07:11,819 Speaker 2: was a complete right off, so that was just a goner. 113 00:07:11,939 --> 00:07:15,139 Speaker 2: But I just things need to be done, Things need 114 00:07:15,179 --> 00:07:17,739 Speaker 2: to change. And if they're going to bring a Lauren 115 00:07:17,819 --> 00:07:21,219 Speaker 2: like that, stick to it, don't you know, beat around 116 00:07:21,219 --> 00:07:24,419 Speaker 2: the bush, don't just sweep it under the mat. Something 117 00:07:24,459 --> 00:07:25,179 Speaker 2: has to be done. 118 00:07:25,339 --> 00:07:25,499 Speaker 3: Well. 119 00:07:25,499 --> 00:07:28,219 Speaker 1: The fact of the matter is that this is thirteen 120 00:07:28,419 --> 00:07:33,179 Speaker 1: years without Marie and we're still seeing this kind of 121 00:07:33,299 --> 00:07:34,139 Speaker 1: thing happening. 122 00:07:34,819 --> 00:07:35,059 Speaker 2: Yep. 123 00:07:36,139 --> 00:07:37,939 Speaker 1: What does that bring up for you when you see 124 00:07:37,939 --> 00:07:39,499 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff on the telly? 125 00:07:39,779 --> 00:07:44,059 Speaker 2: The same emotions back to day one, back to their 126 00:07:44,139 --> 00:07:47,539 Speaker 2: knock on the door. It's you relive it all the time. 127 00:07:47,819 --> 00:07:50,379 Speaker 2: And I haven't told my other daughters that were one 128 00:07:50,419 --> 00:07:52,539 Speaker 2: sitting next to me, But I haven't told my daughters. 129 00:07:52,739 --> 00:07:55,819 Speaker 2: That's how I feel every time the siren goes off, 130 00:07:55,899 --> 00:07:57,779 Speaker 2: or if I know that they've gone in the car, 131 00:07:57,899 --> 00:08:01,979 Speaker 2: or like my twins, like getting into cars with people. 132 00:08:02,139 --> 00:08:07,659 Speaker 2: They've all had the mum word of all. I'm frightened, 133 00:08:08,339 --> 00:08:10,339 Speaker 2: you know, And I shouldn't have to feel that way, 134 00:08:10,379 --> 00:08:13,219 Speaker 2: but that there's part of the reality of your child 135 00:08:13,219 --> 00:08:16,659 Speaker 2: getting killed by a stupid Cararas. 136 00:08:17,459 --> 00:08:20,019 Speaker 3: It's the government's view that the car laws are not 137 00:08:20,099 --> 00:08:22,979 Speaker 3: adequate enough to deal with the harm that boy racers cause, 138 00:08:23,219 --> 00:08:26,219 Speaker 3: we want to toughen things up, really crack down and 139 00:08:26,299 --> 00:08:28,539 Speaker 3: make sure that the law sends a very clear message 140 00:08:28,699 --> 00:08:30,979 Speaker 3: that illegal street racing is not going to be tolerated 141 00:08:30,979 --> 00:08:34,059 Speaker 3: in our communities and sends it deterrent message to say 142 00:08:34,099 --> 00:08:37,779 Speaker 3: that boy races. Enough is enough. So we've decided upon 143 00:08:37,859 --> 00:08:41,859 Speaker 3: a package of changes, the centerpiece of which is a 144 00:08:42,099 --> 00:08:46,499 Speaker 3: new presumption in that illegal street racing or taking part 145 00:08:46,539 --> 00:08:50,578 Speaker 3: in an intimidating plot point, or failing to stop for police, 146 00:08:51,218 --> 00:08:55,498 Speaker 3: or indeed failing to identify an offending boy racer will 147 00:08:55,539 --> 00:09:00,699 Speaker 3: result in the forefoot and destruction of a car owned 148 00:09:00,699 --> 00:09:01,699 Speaker 3: by a boy racer. 149 00:09:05,218 --> 00:09:09,419 Speaker 1: Last month, the government announced a few tougher penalties. So 150 00:09:09,458 --> 00:09:13,259 Speaker 1: that means that convicted fleeing drivers, boy racers and people 151 00:09:13,299 --> 00:09:16,858 Speaker 1: participating in intimidating convoys they call them, will have their 152 00:09:16,939 --> 00:09:20,539 Speaker 1: vehicles destroyed or for for dead. Do you think that 153 00:09:20,578 --> 00:09:21,619 Speaker 1: goes far enough? 154 00:09:21,819 --> 00:09:24,058 Speaker 2: No, because they'll just go and pick up another shipbox 155 00:09:24,059 --> 00:09:27,378 Speaker 2: for cheap, and they'll use that. There's always going to 156 00:09:27,419 --> 00:09:29,379 Speaker 2: be a car for somebody to get. Why don't they 157 00:09:29,419 --> 00:09:31,979 Speaker 2: send them to jail. Why don't they get those people 158 00:09:32,019 --> 00:09:33,738 Speaker 2: to go and knock on the door and tell them, 159 00:09:33,738 --> 00:09:36,099 Speaker 2: oh sorry, Why don't they walk in the shoes of 160 00:09:36,098 --> 00:09:40,059 Speaker 2: the parents? I was getting faster and they think that 161 00:09:41,299 --> 00:09:45,419 Speaker 2: they're invincible, you know, and then the dumb people that 162 00:09:45,498 --> 00:09:49,338 Speaker 2: stand there and watch them. Yeah, it's an accident waiting 163 00:09:49,379 --> 00:09:52,899 Speaker 2: to happen. But something needs to be done. And honestly, 164 00:09:53,259 --> 00:09:55,619 Speaker 2: I don't think what kind of law brought in will 165 00:09:55,699 --> 00:09:58,979 Speaker 2: change it, because there's the kids will always find a 166 00:09:58,978 --> 00:10:02,099 Speaker 2: way around it. It's like anything, something needs to be done. 167 00:10:02,259 --> 00:10:03,419 Speaker 2: But I do not want to know. 168 00:10:03,458 --> 00:10:08,179 Speaker 1: What do you think that if there was any more education, 169 00:10:08,779 --> 00:10:12,939 Speaker 1: or if the kids knew? I mean, because kids know, though, 170 00:10:13,019 --> 00:10:15,179 Speaker 1: don't they like It's just they just don't want to listen, 171 00:10:15,978 --> 00:10:16,459 Speaker 1: that's right. 172 00:10:16,819 --> 00:10:21,339 Speaker 2: Yeah, like Marino that night, hmm. But I don't think 173 00:10:21,379 --> 00:10:24,299 Speaker 2: she well, she wouldn't have wanted the outcome to be 174 00:10:24,338 --> 00:10:28,139 Speaker 2: the way it was. And I think in the moment, 175 00:10:28,578 --> 00:10:31,779 Speaker 2: kids think, yes, this is going to be great, but 176 00:10:31,899 --> 00:10:36,298 Speaker 2: they don't think of the consequence, they don't think long term. 177 00:10:37,218 --> 00:10:39,299 Speaker 2: You know, maybe they should go and visit people that 178 00:10:39,419 --> 00:10:42,779 Speaker 2: have been paralyzed and stuff like that through KA saying 179 00:10:42,899 --> 00:10:45,939 Speaker 2: and people been hit and they can't walk, they can't talk, 180 00:10:46,419 --> 00:10:49,659 Speaker 2: you know, let them go and do their cares for 181 00:10:49,699 --> 00:10:51,899 Speaker 2: a day, or let them go and see what it's like. 182 00:10:53,139 --> 00:10:55,179 Speaker 2: You know, is that person's lost out in a lot 183 00:10:55,179 --> 00:10:55,779 Speaker 2: of life. 184 00:11:06,379 --> 00:11:10,699 Speaker 1: Karen, If you could come face to face with one 185 00:11:10,738 --> 00:11:13,419 Speaker 1: of these kids, say in Levin, for example, who are 186 00:11:13,458 --> 00:11:15,858 Speaker 1: taking part in this mass boy racer meet up and 187 00:11:15,939 --> 00:11:19,859 Speaker 1: driving dangerously, disobeying police, acting tough. If you could set 188 00:11:19,899 --> 00:11:21,819 Speaker 1: one of them down, face to face, what would you 189 00:11:21,858 --> 00:11:22,378 Speaker 1: say to them? 190 00:11:22,578 --> 00:11:25,219 Speaker 2: I'd children the photo of Maurice's car, first photo of 191 00:11:25,259 --> 00:11:28,578 Speaker 2: my daughter and say this could possibly be you, and 192 00:11:28,618 --> 00:11:31,539 Speaker 2: then just tell them what happened, because being smart don't 193 00:11:31,539 --> 00:11:36,379 Speaker 2: save your life. Being a smart ass don't save your life. Yeah. 194 00:11:36,618 --> 00:11:38,458 Speaker 2: I would just probably tell them what I'm telling you, 195 00:11:38,858 --> 00:11:43,898 Speaker 2: but in harsher terms, my anger would probably come out 196 00:11:43,939 --> 00:11:46,459 Speaker 2: a lot more than it is on right now. 197 00:11:47,458 --> 00:11:52,179 Speaker 1: Do you ever think if that night didn't happen, where 198 00:11:52,179 --> 00:11:53,059 Speaker 1: would Marie be? 199 00:11:53,179 --> 00:11:53,458 Speaker 4: Now? 200 00:11:54,179 --> 00:11:57,578 Speaker 2: Yep? Every day I reckon she'd have her own care 201 00:11:57,618 --> 00:12:01,338 Speaker 2: Solon Alex, her sister, the other big sister. She reckons 202 00:12:01,338 --> 00:12:03,618 Speaker 2: she'd be a millionaire by hour because she even though 203 00:12:03,618 --> 00:12:06,139 Speaker 2: she acted them, she was very, very smart, and she 204 00:12:06,179 --> 00:12:08,738 Speaker 2: reckons she would have been up there with the top. Yep, 205 00:12:09,379 --> 00:12:11,299 Speaker 2: she would have gone far. She would have got rid 206 00:12:11,338 --> 00:12:13,338 Speaker 2: of that stupid boyfriend that was in the other car. 207 00:12:14,498 --> 00:12:16,858 Speaker 2: She haded life make out. She knew what she wanted 208 00:12:16,858 --> 00:12:22,099 Speaker 2: to do. Yeap. She would have been great were almost 209 00:12:22,139 --> 00:12:24,339 Speaker 2: having her around so much. She'd be able to hold 210 00:12:24,379 --> 00:12:28,419 Speaker 2: her nephews and check your sister's asses when they need it, 211 00:12:28,819 --> 00:12:31,578 Speaker 2: you know, just things like that. But she would have 212 00:12:31,819 --> 00:12:32,739 Speaker 2: She would have gone far in a. 213 00:12:32,819 --> 00:12:36,819 Speaker 1: Life, even if it is what twelve years ago. Now, 214 00:12:37,218 --> 00:12:38,778 Speaker 1: I bet you could do that. I bet that not 215 00:12:39,019 --> 00:12:40,059 Speaker 1: just feels like yesterday. 216 00:12:40,299 --> 00:12:45,779 Speaker 2: Yep, very knock every fire siren, Yep, I just go, 217 00:12:45,899 --> 00:12:49,218 Speaker 2: ah ship here we go. I just yeah, I just 218 00:12:49,699 --> 00:12:52,098 Speaker 2: it's not it's not fun, you know, And these things 219 00:12:52,098 --> 00:12:54,259 Speaker 2: are embedded in me now. I never used to care, 220 00:12:54,819 --> 00:12:58,219 Speaker 2: but I do now. It's just the fear of maybe 221 00:12:58,259 --> 00:13:01,659 Speaker 2: somebody else that we know, hopefully not one of my family, 222 00:13:02,539 --> 00:13:06,898 Speaker 2: to anybody. It's just not it's not the nice knock. 223 00:13:07,019 --> 00:13:08,819 Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you want to add. 224 00:13:09,259 --> 00:13:13,338 Speaker 2: I just want kiss to grow up. Grow up, stop 225 00:13:13,379 --> 00:13:17,939 Speaker 2: acting like smart asses. Get your ship together. You know 226 00:13:18,379 --> 00:13:22,619 Speaker 2: why it's been all that money on shipbox cars. Why 227 00:13:22,659 --> 00:13:26,539 Speaker 2: do that? Get an education, Get a job, you know, 228 00:13:26,858 --> 00:13:29,419 Speaker 2: do something with your life. Don't waste it on a car. 229 00:13:29,858 --> 00:13:33,299 Speaker 2: And for Christ's sake, don't kill anybody. Well, if you do, 230 00:13:33,419 --> 00:13:35,379 Speaker 2: I hope you get done really good for it. 231 00:13:35,379 --> 00:13:38,619 Speaker 1: It's just that I remember where I was looking back 232 00:13:38,659 --> 00:13:41,858 Speaker 1: to when I was eighteen, seventeen eighteen, and my god, 233 00:13:42,059 --> 00:13:44,179 Speaker 1: it's that time in your life when you just think 234 00:13:44,179 --> 00:13:48,339 Speaker 1: you're invincible and you've got this road, not literally but 235 00:13:48,458 --> 00:13:51,059 Speaker 1: a road of life ahead of you. You've got so 236 00:13:51,218 --> 00:13:54,458 Speaker 1: many things, and it just feels so far away, and 237 00:13:54,498 --> 00:13:56,098 Speaker 1: you just think you've got all this time. 238 00:13:56,858 --> 00:14:01,819 Speaker 2: You don't. Time is precious. Time is precious. Don't waste 239 00:14:01,858 --> 00:14:05,059 Speaker 2: your time, not on a street race. It's not worth it. 240 00:14:05,179 --> 00:14:07,458 Speaker 2: And one day the cops will catch you. And it's 241 00:14:07,498 --> 00:14:09,618 Speaker 2: just I don't know, I don't know how to explain it. 242 00:14:09,659 --> 00:14:11,539 Speaker 2: But kids are so thick, not all of them, but 243 00:14:11,618 --> 00:14:13,699 Speaker 2: you know, you know, there's a majority of them that 244 00:14:13,699 --> 00:14:16,499 Speaker 2: are pretty thick. And maybe it'll take for one of 245 00:14:16,539 --> 00:14:19,219 Speaker 2: their family members, or for them to kill or one 246 00:14:19,219 --> 00:14:23,139 Speaker 2: of their family members to realize that it wasn't really 247 00:14:23,179 --> 00:14:26,419 Speaker 2: such a great idea at the time. Maybe then they'll 248 00:14:26,459 --> 00:14:28,819 Speaker 2: think about it. Until then, are we going to know 249 00:14:29,659 --> 00:14:31,699 Speaker 2: is the law going to do anything? I don't know. 250 00:14:32,459 --> 00:14:34,179 Speaker 2: My daughter and I were talking about it today, and 251 00:14:34,299 --> 00:14:36,059 Speaker 2: is it even if we had a track for them 252 00:14:36,099 --> 00:14:39,219 Speaker 2: to go and do it legally? You know, but then 253 00:14:39,219 --> 00:14:41,459 Speaker 2: you're still going to get the muppets that will do 254 00:14:41,539 --> 00:14:44,579 Speaker 2: it on the road, you know, just just think it's fun. 255 00:14:45,379 --> 00:14:47,739 Speaker 2: It ain't fun. So I really don't know what we 256 00:14:47,779 --> 00:14:48,459 Speaker 2: can do about it. 257 00:14:52,059 --> 00:14:55,819 Speaker 4: We really don't need people glorifying this sort of behavior, 258 00:14:56,139 --> 00:14:58,179 Speaker 4: and we're going to stamp it out with these laws. 259 00:14:58,459 --> 00:15:02,819 Speaker 5: Legislation introduced today means anyone posting or sharing violent or 260 00:15:02,819 --> 00:15:06,018 Speaker 5: illegal acts on social media could face up to two 261 00:15:06,139 --> 00:15:09,339 Speaker 5: years in prison, regardless of whether anyone in the post 262 00:15:09,539 --> 00:15:12,659 Speaker 5: was charged, the Attorney General stopping short of saying it 263 00:15:12,699 --> 00:15:14,859 Speaker 5: was prompted by a rise in youth crime. 264 00:15:15,059 --> 00:15:17,499 Speaker 4: I think we're seeing people do stupid things like this 265 00:15:17,619 --> 00:15:21,299 Speaker 4: across the board, doing really stupid things in cars or 266 00:15:21,379 --> 00:15:24,699 Speaker 4: fights on streets, and glorifying this sort of criminal behavior. 267 00:15:29,699 --> 00:15:32,299 Speaker 1: I was looking up some laws over in Aussie because 268 00:15:32,459 --> 00:15:35,179 Speaker 1: everything in Australia seems ten years ahead in terms of 269 00:15:35,299 --> 00:15:38,619 Speaker 1: laws and how everything's going, and they call them hoon's 270 00:15:38,739 --> 00:15:42,459 Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, And in Queensland they brought in a 271 00:15:42,539 --> 00:15:47,459 Speaker 1: law called posting and boasting. So that's when if you're 272 00:15:47,459 --> 00:15:49,619 Speaker 1: going above the speed limit, if you're doing a stupid 273 00:15:49,699 --> 00:15:51,459 Speaker 1: video in your car and you're going you know, one 274 00:15:51,459 --> 00:15:53,939 Speaker 1: to eighty or whatever, and you post it online, then 275 00:15:54,019 --> 00:15:56,699 Speaker 1: you can the maximum penalty is five years. 276 00:15:56,899 --> 00:16:00,299 Speaker 2: That needs to be done over here then, simple, simple, 277 00:16:00,699 --> 00:16:01,019 Speaker 2: I mean. 278 00:16:00,899 --> 00:16:04,059 Speaker 1: Because those spectators are participating as well and egging people 279 00:16:04,099 --> 00:16:04,459 Speaker 1: on a. 280 00:16:05,139 --> 00:16:07,499 Speaker 2: Those people can go to jail too. I don't know 281 00:16:07,539 --> 00:16:10,019 Speaker 2: why we haven't got harsh laws, to be quite honest, 282 00:16:10,339 --> 00:16:13,779 Speaker 2: I think that would be a great idea, But then 283 00:16:14,339 --> 00:16:16,739 Speaker 2: our prison system wouldn't be able to cope with the 284 00:16:16,779 --> 00:16:18,739 Speaker 2: amount of people that would have to go in, you know, 285 00:16:19,339 --> 00:16:24,979 Speaker 2: So how can you work it? If she hadn't died, 286 00:16:25,379 --> 00:16:27,499 Speaker 2: I would have been marching her down to the police 287 00:16:27,499 --> 00:16:31,379 Speaker 2: station and handing her in for being part of it, 288 00:16:31,739 --> 00:16:35,099 Speaker 2: So you know, that would have been her consequence. You know. 289 00:16:36,059 --> 00:16:38,779 Speaker 2: I think parents need to get harder as well. Do 290 00:16:38,859 --> 00:16:40,859 Speaker 2: they know what their kids are doing on Saturday night, 291 00:16:42,179 --> 00:16:46,019 Speaker 2: had they taken mummy's car out for a drive. You know, 292 00:16:47,139 --> 00:16:50,019 Speaker 2: I just want something done, Like I said, I just 293 00:16:50,059 --> 00:16:53,699 Speaker 2: want respect for Marie. She needs respect. I don't want 294 00:16:53,739 --> 00:16:57,899 Speaker 2: her death in vain watching all the other kids out 295 00:16:57,939 --> 00:16:59,699 Speaker 2: there just getting away. 296 00:16:59,459 --> 00:17:02,059 Speaker 1: With it because so many lives have been lost, like 297 00:17:02,219 --> 00:17:05,019 Speaker 1: young lives as well. Was just so much ahead of them, 298 00:17:05,659 --> 00:17:06,459 Speaker 1: like Marie. 299 00:17:07,139 --> 00:17:12,899 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a waste, it's a real waste. But we'll 300 00:17:12,939 --> 00:17:15,699 Speaker 2: never go back. We've only got memories. 301 00:17:15,979 --> 00:17:18,139 Speaker 1: You know, what's one of your favorite memories? 302 00:17:19,419 --> 00:17:22,539 Speaker 2: Oh god, there's so many. Probably her making me pumpkin soup. 303 00:17:24,859 --> 00:17:29,219 Speaker 2: It was a good all pretending like when I got 304 00:17:29,219 --> 00:17:31,219 Speaker 2: home from where it be at like ten o'clock at night. 305 00:17:33,099 --> 00:17:36,658 Speaker 2: She knew the dog wasn't allowed to be inside, and 306 00:17:36,699 --> 00:17:39,779 Speaker 2: then she'd hear the gate and opposite the dog got 307 00:17:39,819 --> 00:17:43,539 Speaker 2: thrown out the door. Or living right across the road 308 00:17:43,619 --> 00:17:46,299 Speaker 2: from college, and she was always late to school, weren't 309 00:17:46,299 --> 00:17:48,539 Speaker 2: to live right across the right opposite the school. She 310 00:17:48,619 --> 00:17:51,019 Speaker 2: was always late every day, every day she was late 311 00:17:51,019 --> 00:17:57,059 Speaker 2: to school. There was just silly little stupid things like that, 312 00:17:57,619 --> 00:18:00,539 Speaker 2: just you know, teaching her to drive my car. One day, 313 00:18:00,899 --> 00:18:03,859 Speaker 2: driving along and there was a corner coming up and 314 00:18:03,899 --> 00:18:06,779 Speaker 2: she's pointing, look, look, look there's a dog. There's a dog. 315 00:18:06,819 --> 00:18:12,059 Speaker 2: And we said, chat, there's a corner. But what I 316 00:18:12,099 --> 00:18:14,779 Speaker 2: missed the most about her is just her love, her 317 00:18:14,779 --> 00:18:19,619 Speaker 2: compassion for her sisters, just her love for everybody. Yeah, 318 00:18:19,699 --> 00:18:23,379 Speaker 2: and it's slid, big grin. Yeah. If you felt like 319 00:18:23,819 --> 00:18:30,979 Speaker 2: should should soon make you feel better. 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