1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,693 Speaker 1: from News Talks at Me. 3 00:00:12,813 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 2: It's been almost fifteen years since the Pike River mining disaster, 4 00:00:16,373 --> 00:00:19,453 Speaker 2: in which twenty nine men lost their lives. A new film, 5 00:00:19,533 --> 00:00:22,493 Speaker 2: Pike River, tells the true story of the tragedy and 6 00:00:22,533 --> 00:00:25,613 Speaker 2: its aftermath through the eyes of Anna Osborne and Sonya 7 00:00:25,693 --> 00:00:28,173 Speaker 2: rock House, two women at the forefront of the fight 8 00:00:28,333 --> 00:00:29,133 Speaker 2: for justice. 9 00:00:29,893 --> 00:00:32,653 Speaker 3: A decision has been made that this prosecution is not 10 00:00:32,733 --> 00:00:33,773 Speaker 3: going to proceed. 11 00:00:34,653 --> 00:00:37,533 Speaker 2: And mind will be permanently sealed. That's the reality. 12 00:00:37,853 --> 00:00:42,293 Speaker 3: No one is going to go on the earth again. 13 00:00:43,093 --> 00:00:44,053 Speaker 1: So what are you going to do? 14 00:00:45,213 --> 00:00:46,973 Speaker 4: Where are going to stop them? 15 00:00:47,413 --> 00:00:51,333 Speaker 2: Anna lost her husband Milton in Pike River. Sonya lost 16 00:00:51,373 --> 00:00:54,493 Speaker 2: her son Ben, while one of her other sons, Daniel, 17 00:00:54,813 --> 00:00:57,573 Speaker 2: was one of just two survivors Pik River. The film 18 00:00:57,653 --> 00:01:00,333 Speaker 2: has just had its week of premieres around New Zealand, 19 00:01:00,373 --> 00:01:02,813 Speaker 2: and Anna Osborne and Sonya rock House are with us 20 00:01:02,853 --> 00:01:06,813 Speaker 2: in studio. O'kyilda, Good morning, morning, good morning. It's so 21 00:01:06,893 --> 00:01:08,533 Speaker 2: good to see you both, and I know you have 22 00:01:08,613 --> 00:01:11,653 Speaker 2: had a crazy week, so we really appreciate you being here. 23 00:01:12,253 --> 00:01:14,573 Speaker 2: Before I asked too much about the film, can I 24 00:01:14,653 --> 00:01:18,293 Speaker 2: ask about the process. How does this kind of thing happen. 25 00:01:18,373 --> 00:01:21,533 Speaker 2: How does someone like Rob Saky's come to the community 26 00:01:21,573 --> 00:01:24,173 Speaker 2: and say, you know what, I think, I want to 27 00:01:24,173 --> 00:01:27,333 Speaker 2: tell your story. Anna. 28 00:01:27,613 --> 00:01:32,693 Speaker 4: Yeah, he actually wasn't. He had his eye on Pike River, 29 00:01:32,773 --> 00:01:37,733 Speaker 4: but he wasn't too interested in making a film as yet. 30 00:01:37,813 --> 00:01:42,093 Speaker 4: But as time progressed and he saw two women that 31 00:01:42,453 --> 00:01:46,773 Speaker 4: were actually trying to bring about truth and justice, he thought, well, 32 00:01:47,253 --> 00:01:50,933 Speaker 4: actually there could be a movie in this, And so 33 00:01:51,053 --> 00:01:54,133 Speaker 4: he waited and watched for quite a while, and then 34 00:01:54,133 --> 00:01:58,813 Speaker 4: he approached us as well as a few other film companies, 35 00:01:59,573 --> 00:02:02,853 Speaker 4: and was interested in making a movie about us. And 36 00:02:03,493 --> 00:02:06,733 Speaker 4: we were thinking, what the heck? Why so I would 37 00:02:06,773 --> 00:02:10,533 Speaker 4: someone want to make a movie about two middle aged 38 00:02:10,613 --> 00:02:17,533 Speaker 4: women who nothing flash and nothing fense, and we're trying 39 00:02:17,533 --> 00:02:19,453 Speaker 4: to you know, we were trying to do what was 40 00:02:19,573 --> 00:02:22,173 Speaker 4: right for our loved ones and the twenty you know, 41 00:02:22,213 --> 00:02:25,773 Speaker 4: the other twenty seven men that were underground. So it 42 00:02:25,853 --> 00:02:29,373 Speaker 4: was surreal thinking that anyone would want to make a 43 00:02:29,413 --> 00:02:30,293 Speaker 4: movie about us. 44 00:02:31,093 --> 00:02:33,773 Speaker 2: Was it a difficult balance? Because I can imagine from 45 00:02:33,813 --> 00:02:37,333 Speaker 2: your perspective, given everything you've experienced over the last fifteen years, 46 00:02:38,613 --> 00:02:40,933 Speaker 2: a lot of people in your shoes would find it 47 00:02:40,973 --> 00:02:44,333 Speaker 2: hard to trust people, and you have to go to 48 00:02:44,373 --> 00:02:48,013 Speaker 2: someone like Rob and put an incredible amount of trust 49 00:02:48,053 --> 00:02:49,893 Speaker 2: in him to tell your story. How did you feel 50 00:02:49,933 --> 00:02:52,493 Speaker 2: about this on you, Well. 51 00:02:52,373 --> 00:02:55,093 Speaker 3: I kind of feel like he's the sort of person 52 00:02:55,133 --> 00:02:59,973 Speaker 3: that when you meet him, I trust my instinct most 53 00:03:00,013 --> 00:03:04,133 Speaker 3: of the time, and I just felt I just felt 54 00:03:04,173 --> 00:03:08,813 Speaker 3: safe with him and Fiona two. And you can tell 55 00:03:08,853 --> 00:03:12,533 Speaker 3: when somebody is interested in what you're saying. And we've 56 00:03:12,573 --> 00:03:14,733 Speaker 3: had plenty of people that, you know, give us lip 57 00:03:14,773 --> 00:03:19,213 Speaker 3: service but aren't actually listening. But he was listening, and 58 00:03:19,253 --> 00:03:21,693 Speaker 3: he asked a lot of questions, and he spent a 59 00:03:21,733 --> 00:03:23,653 Speaker 3: lot of time with us. And one of the big 60 00:03:24,133 --> 00:03:28,613 Speaker 3: frustrations for Anna and I was that nobody wanted to listen. 61 00:03:28,613 --> 00:03:31,293 Speaker 3: Everyone had pike fatigue. They were sick of it, and 62 00:03:31,733 --> 00:03:33,893 Speaker 3: they didn't want to listen to what we had to 63 00:03:33,933 --> 00:03:39,173 Speaker 3: say because it went against the grain. And you know, 64 00:03:39,333 --> 00:03:42,653 Speaker 3: as he was, we know that, you know, we're pretty 65 00:03:42,973 --> 00:03:47,253 Speaker 3: we are pretty conservative people, you know, most of the time, 66 00:03:48,013 --> 00:03:50,293 Speaker 3: and so we don't like to rock the boat. And 67 00:03:50,413 --> 00:03:53,213 Speaker 3: we were rocking the boat, and you know, people got 68 00:03:53,213 --> 00:03:57,333 Speaker 3: annoyed by that. So to have somebody like Rob and 69 00:03:57,373 --> 00:04:01,933 Speaker 3: Fiona just wanting us to spill everything that we were 70 00:04:01,973 --> 00:04:06,853 Speaker 3: feeling and thinking. It was so liberating because we felt 71 00:04:06,933 --> 00:04:12,493 Speaker 3: like finally we were taking control, you know, because for 72 00:04:12,653 --> 00:04:16,333 Speaker 3: years we just had to sit there and be told 73 00:04:16,813 --> 00:04:20,133 Speaker 3: what we were being told, and we knew that it 74 00:04:20,173 --> 00:04:22,533 Speaker 3: wasn't right, but there was nothing we could do about it. 75 00:04:22,573 --> 00:04:28,013 Speaker 3: We were told to be to be, to be right, 76 00:04:28,293 --> 00:04:31,973 Speaker 3: and to be dignified because otherwise the government might, you know, 77 00:04:32,053 --> 00:04:34,813 Speaker 3: walk away, And I actually believed that in the beginning, 78 00:04:34,933 --> 00:04:38,133 Speaker 3: and then I thought later on, you know, that's just rubbish. 79 00:04:38,213 --> 00:04:41,693 Speaker 3: They're never going to do that, and so yeah, he 80 00:04:41,813 --> 00:04:44,053 Speaker 3: just he just sort of built that trust up. It 81 00:04:44,093 --> 00:04:47,053 Speaker 3: didn't happen immediately, of course, but we could see that 82 00:04:47,173 --> 00:04:52,933 Speaker 3: he genuinely wanted to tell our story and so yeah, 83 00:04:53,013 --> 00:04:54,333 Speaker 3: that's why we went with him. 84 00:04:54,613 --> 00:04:58,613 Speaker 2: So no doubt you immediately pushed for say over the cast. 85 00:04:58,693 --> 00:05:01,213 Speaker 2: You said, right, we want Gwyneth Peltrow, and we want. 86 00:05:03,173 --> 00:05:05,333 Speaker 3: We had a lot of fun coming up with all 87 00:05:05,413 --> 00:05:09,973 Speaker 3: different names that we thought each one should. Never in 88 00:05:10,053 --> 00:05:14,613 Speaker 3: my wildest dreams could I ever have imagined that Robin 89 00:05:14,733 --> 00:05:19,613 Speaker 3: Malcolm would be playing me. In fact, when Rob rang 90 00:05:19,693 --> 00:05:22,973 Speaker 3: me up and said that Robin was going to be 91 00:05:22,973 --> 00:05:27,373 Speaker 3: playing me. I was gobsmacked. I couldn't speak. And then 92 00:05:27,453 --> 00:05:30,373 Speaker 3: I said, no, why she cannot play me? And he 93 00:05:30,413 --> 00:05:33,533 Speaker 3: said why and I said, because she is gorgeous, like 94 00:05:34,213 --> 00:05:38,333 Speaker 3: she's like an eighth my size, and you know, and 95 00:05:38,413 --> 00:05:42,013 Speaker 3: she just she's just so I mean, yeah, I mean, 96 00:05:42,173 --> 00:05:44,893 Speaker 3: My Outrageous Fortune was just one of my favorite shows. 97 00:05:44,933 --> 00:05:48,093 Speaker 3: And I you know who doesn't love Robin Malcolm. So 98 00:05:48,413 --> 00:05:52,293 Speaker 3: I I still can't believe it when I look at 99 00:05:52,293 --> 00:05:55,373 Speaker 3: her and she looks at us with the same ore 100 00:05:55,533 --> 00:05:58,253 Speaker 3: that we look at her, and it's just the weirdest thing. 101 00:05:59,813 --> 00:06:02,533 Speaker 2: I thought they did an amazing job. I thought Melanie 102 00:06:02,573 --> 00:06:06,933 Speaker 2: and Robin did an incredible job. So you guys have 103 00:06:07,093 --> 00:06:09,093 Speaker 2: seen the film a few times now. You've had a 104 00:06:09,133 --> 00:06:11,933 Speaker 2: series of premiers, kind of like a touring series of 105 00:06:11,973 --> 00:06:14,893 Speaker 2: premier years. This week, can you tell me about being 106 00:06:14,933 --> 00:06:16,733 Speaker 2: in Graymouth in it for the first time and seeing 107 00:06:16,773 --> 00:06:18,093 Speaker 2: the film for the first time. 108 00:06:18,733 --> 00:06:24,613 Speaker 4: It was quite overwhelming, a lot of emotion because you 109 00:06:24,613 --> 00:06:25,693 Speaker 4: were there with all the families. 110 00:06:25,733 --> 00:06:27,733 Speaker 2: Right, this is a private private screening. 111 00:06:27,853 --> 00:06:31,893 Speaker 4: Talking about the one before we ye family viewing and yeah, 112 00:06:31,933 --> 00:06:36,733 Speaker 4: so that was viewed by about forty family members and 113 00:06:37,293 --> 00:06:43,733 Speaker 4: the response from the families was an overwhelming well done, ladies, 114 00:06:44,253 --> 00:06:47,973 Speaker 4: because they did not know exactly what Sonya and I 115 00:06:48,093 --> 00:06:49,733 Speaker 4: had been doing behind the scenes. 116 00:06:49,813 --> 00:06:50,013 Speaker 1: You know. 117 00:06:50,653 --> 00:06:53,613 Speaker 4: I would send out emails to the families and say, well, listen, 118 00:06:53,653 --> 00:06:55,773 Speaker 4: this is what we're trying to do now, or this 119 00:06:55,853 --> 00:06:59,053 Speaker 4: is what has been suggested or whatever in the families 120 00:06:59,093 --> 00:07:03,533 Speaker 4: for email back and say yep, we support you, thank 121 00:07:03,573 --> 00:07:06,013 Speaker 4: you so much, and that was about it. But for 122 00:07:06,093 --> 00:07:08,533 Speaker 4: son and I, we actually got off our bombs and 123 00:07:08,573 --> 00:07:12,013 Speaker 4: we did the hard yards behind the scenes, and the 124 00:07:12,133 --> 00:07:14,733 Speaker 4: film sort of validates everything we. 125 00:07:14,853 --> 00:07:17,933 Speaker 2: Have done because, for want of a better term, you 126 00:07:18,013 --> 00:07:21,173 Speaker 2: guys have been agitators, and I mean that in a 127 00:07:21,213 --> 00:07:22,573 Speaker 2: good way. You're laughing so on your but you know 128 00:07:22,613 --> 00:07:25,573 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, you guys have been fighting, and 129 00:07:26,133 --> 00:07:29,253 Speaker 2: for much of that fight, you have gone through all 130 00:07:29,293 --> 00:07:33,373 Speaker 2: of these different processes thinking that that work would be unseen, 131 00:07:34,093 --> 00:07:37,053 Speaker 2: you know. And in a way, this is like the 132 00:07:37,133 --> 00:07:40,373 Speaker 2: amazing thing about the film. For the first time, not 133 00:07:40,413 --> 00:07:43,893 Speaker 2: just the other families, but the world gets to get so. 134 00:07:43,973 --> 00:07:48,133 Speaker 3: We hope that people I've been asked many times, what 135 00:07:48,253 --> 00:07:50,333 Speaker 3: do I hope that people take away from the movie, 136 00:07:50,373 --> 00:07:53,173 Speaker 3: And one of the things that I hope for is 137 00:07:53,213 --> 00:07:56,533 Speaker 3: that people get an understanding of what the families have 138 00:07:56,653 --> 00:07:59,773 Speaker 3: been through and had to go through. I mean, when 139 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:02,933 Speaker 3: you think about it, logically, we should never have had 140 00:08:02,933 --> 00:08:05,693 Speaker 3: to fight to get what we've known. This was not 141 00:08:05,813 --> 00:08:09,213 Speaker 3: our fault, was not our men's fault, and so the 142 00:08:09,293 --> 00:08:11,333 Speaker 3: fact that we even had to do it is just 143 00:08:11,693 --> 00:08:16,013 Speaker 3: the most terrible thing. But yeah, I'd like people to 144 00:08:16,133 --> 00:08:24,973 Speaker 3: take away that message, plus the message that about if 145 00:08:25,013 --> 00:08:27,573 Speaker 3: anybody else is in a position where they see things 146 00:08:27,573 --> 00:08:30,533 Speaker 3: in the workplace that are not right, you need to 147 00:08:30,613 --> 00:08:34,453 Speaker 3: speak up. Don't be afraid to speak up because you know, 148 00:08:34,533 --> 00:08:39,893 Speaker 3: health and safety is so important, and our health and 149 00:08:39,893 --> 00:08:43,053 Speaker 3: safety rate in New Zealand is abysmal and it's one 150 00:08:43,093 --> 00:08:48,453 Speaker 3: of the worst in the Western world. And why why 151 00:08:48,573 --> 00:08:52,413 Speaker 3: is that? You know? So, yeah, that's what I hope 152 00:08:52,413 --> 00:08:53,773 Speaker 3: that people take away from it. 153 00:08:53,973 --> 00:08:56,613 Speaker 2: So it was amazing to me because Rob said to me, 154 00:08:56,733 --> 00:08:59,093 Speaker 2: make sure when I watch it, I have headphones in, 155 00:08:59,533 --> 00:09:02,093 Speaker 2: headphones on so I can really immerse myself in the sound. 156 00:09:02,453 --> 00:09:04,533 Speaker 2: And it was really incredible from the first couple of 157 00:09:04,573 --> 00:09:12,373 Speaker 2: frames of the film, beautiful but also haunting. It kind 158 00:09:12,413 --> 00:09:14,733 Speaker 2: of transferred me back from my experience and of course 159 00:09:14,773 --> 00:09:19,293 Speaker 2: my experience is nothing like your experiences. But I wondered, 160 00:09:19,773 --> 00:09:22,333 Speaker 2: having seen the film a few times now, are you 161 00:09:22,413 --> 00:09:24,613 Speaker 2: seeing different things in it? Yeah? 162 00:09:24,653 --> 00:09:28,573 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean I think I've seen it about six times. 163 00:09:29,533 --> 00:09:33,253 Speaker 4: There was one where with the music, the orchestra hadn't 164 00:09:33,253 --> 00:09:37,373 Speaker 4: finished doing the sound for it yet, so we went 165 00:09:37,453 --> 00:09:40,133 Speaker 4: through a movie without sound, which was really quite weird 166 00:09:40,213 --> 00:09:45,613 Speaker 4: because you know, you don't usually have that opportunity. But 167 00:09:46,053 --> 00:09:49,773 Speaker 4: we have watched it and each time we come away 168 00:09:50,173 --> 00:09:53,373 Speaker 4: from seeing it, we turn around and we say, can 169 00:09:53,413 --> 00:09:57,453 Speaker 4: you remember that actually happening? Or I can't remember seeing 170 00:09:57,493 --> 00:10:00,373 Speaker 4: that the first time we saw the movie, And it's 171 00:10:00,533 --> 00:10:03,493 Speaker 4: just it's really bizarre, really, isn't it, because we just yeah, 172 00:10:03,533 --> 00:10:07,533 Speaker 4: we keep seeing different things, and yeah, it's kind of cool. 173 00:10:07,613 --> 00:10:10,253 Speaker 3: We were there during the filming, so you know, we 174 00:10:10,493 --> 00:10:13,973 Speaker 3: were seeing these scenes being played out. But then when 175 00:10:13,973 --> 00:10:17,733 Speaker 3: you watch it, it's there is an a seed every 176 00:10:17,773 --> 00:10:20,453 Speaker 3: time there's something that I think, oh, I don't remember 177 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:22,093 Speaker 3: seeing that last time that. 178 00:10:22,213 --> 00:10:25,853 Speaker 4: We are really proud of what we see on the 179 00:10:25,893 --> 00:10:31,013 Speaker 4: screen and realized, you know, we two ordinary women could 180 00:10:31,253 --> 00:10:39,053 Speaker 4: actually change so many things in New Zealand, like laws, 181 00:10:39,173 --> 00:10:42,733 Speaker 4: health and safety, even the government. You know, if the 182 00:10:42,813 --> 00:10:46,253 Speaker 4: government was going to change. We wanted everyone to support Pike, 183 00:10:46,413 --> 00:10:49,133 Speaker 4: you know, stand with Pike, and we did that. We 184 00:10:49,253 --> 00:10:51,933 Speaker 4: got a commitment from all the other parties that are 185 00:10:51,973 --> 00:10:55,413 Speaker 4: the minor parties apart from ACT and of course National, 186 00:10:56,053 --> 00:10:59,213 Speaker 4: all the other parties at the time signed this agreement 187 00:10:59,373 --> 00:11:04,213 Speaker 4: that if Labor got in, they would support Pike River 188 00:11:05,213 --> 00:11:09,173 Speaker 4: and you know, they would perform in. 189 00:11:09,133 --> 00:11:11,533 Speaker 3: The re a safe entry. 190 00:11:11,573 --> 00:11:14,933 Speaker 4: That's right. They create an agency within one hundred days, 191 00:11:14,933 --> 00:11:17,213 Speaker 4: and that's what happened. And it's the first time we've 192 00:11:17,253 --> 00:11:18,053 Speaker 4: been listened to. 193 00:11:19,093 --> 00:11:22,733 Speaker 2: I feel it must be so gratifying to go to 194 00:11:22,733 --> 00:11:24,693 Speaker 2: fight and fight and fight and then see, even if 195 00:11:24,733 --> 00:11:27,013 Speaker 2: it's a tiny shred, but see a little bit of progress. 196 00:11:27,773 --> 00:11:31,253 Speaker 2: So you talked down before about the family screening in Graymouth, 197 00:11:31,533 --> 00:11:34,493 Speaker 2: but very quickly tell me about the glitzy screaming of 198 00:11:34,533 --> 00:11:36,093 Speaker 2: the last few days, because you've had a couple of 199 00:11:36,133 --> 00:11:36,773 Speaker 2: big premieres. 200 00:11:36,813 --> 00:11:40,613 Speaker 4: Now I'll just talk about the Graymouth. Talk about the auklad. 201 00:11:40,333 --> 00:11:43,933 Speaker 2: That when I think glitzy, I think Graymouth. We all do. 202 00:11:44,693 --> 00:11:48,053 Speaker 4: Yeah, Graymouth had not seen a film in the big 203 00:11:48,093 --> 00:11:50,533 Speaker 4: cinema there for fifteen years, believe it or not. So 204 00:11:50,573 --> 00:11:53,653 Speaker 4: it was a huge thing for Graymouth to have this 205 00:11:53,773 --> 00:11:57,653 Speaker 4: movie come to town, and they had. They went all out. 206 00:11:57,773 --> 00:11:59,933 Speaker 4: You know, you should have seen the red carpet and 207 00:11:59,973 --> 00:12:03,053 Speaker 4: the plants and that they decked it all out to 208 00:12:03,493 --> 00:12:08,213 Speaker 4: something wonderful. And the community support and the community spirit. 209 00:12:08,253 --> 00:12:10,973 Speaker 4: You could feel it in the room, seeing the people 210 00:12:11,013 --> 00:12:12,933 Speaker 4: that were with us in the picket line, you know, 211 00:12:12,973 --> 00:12:17,133 Speaker 4: and Patient bringing us food. All these people you could 212 00:12:17,133 --> 00:12:19,133 Speaker 4: see them in the audience there, and I just thought, 213 00:12:19,533 --> 00:12:22,453 Speaker 4: I'm so proud to be able to bring this movie 214 00:12:22,813 --> 00:12:27,413 Speaker 4: to Graymouth for the premiere and to say thank you 215 00:12:27,453 --> 00:12:31,533 Speaker 4: because Graymouth was a community that really did support and 216 00:12:31,653 --> 00:12:36,813 Speaker 4: embrace the twenty nine families. I've felt the love the 217 00:12:36,933 --> 00:12:40,373 Speaker 4: adel her in the room and that it was beautiful. 218 00:12:40,653 --> 00:12:41,093 Speaker 3: It was. 219 00:12:41,733 --> 00:12:44,173 Speaker 2: I don't want to give too much away, but I 220 00:12:44,173 --> 00:12:46,293 Speaker 2: think it's fair to say the film ends, but the 221 00:12:46,333 --> 00:12:52,413 Speaker 2: Pike story doesn't, right, And I just wondered if there 222 00:12:52,573 --> 00:12:56,493 Speaker 2: is when you think about the progress or lack thereof 223 00:12:56,653 --> 00:13:01,173 Speaker 2: when it comes to prosecutions relating to Pike, is there 224 00:13:01,373 --> 00:13:04,573 Speaker 2: one last push that you hope this film will give 225 00:13:05,333 --> 00:13:06,253 Speaker 2: powerful people. 226 00:13:06,573 --> 00:13:12,333 Speaker 3: Absolutely, we are hoping that the powers that be that 227 00:13:12,453 --> 00:13:19,573 Speaker 3: make the important decisions will a go and see the movie, 228 00:13:20,373 --> 00:13:24,933 Speaker 3: because how can you make such important decisions about people 229 00:13:26,173 --> 00:13:30,213 Speaker 3: that you've never even met. It really irritates me that 230 00:13:31,693 --> 00:13:35,573 Speaker 3: the people who will be making the important decisions know 231 00:13:35,693 --> 00:13:39,093 Speaker 3: nothing about us, haven't met us, haven't talked to us, 232 00:13:39,573 --> 00:13:44,173 Speaker 3: heard our side of the story. So I'm hoping that 233 00:13:44,373 --> 00:13:48,493 Speaker 3: the movie will highlight a whole pile of things and 234 00:13:48,573 --> 00:13:53,213 Speaker 3: make them perhaps think about what their decision might be. 235 00:13:53,973 --> 00:13:57,133 Speaker 3: But at the same time, they also need to understand 236 00:13:57,293 --> 00:14:02,893 Speaker 3: that if the right decision doesn't come back, we are 237 00:14:02,973 --> 00:14:03,413 Speaker 3: done yet. 238 00:14:03,533 --> 00:14:05,493 Speaker 4: We'll put on our big deal pants and we'll do 239 00:14:05,533 --> 00:14:08,973 Speaker 4: it for a yet, because we need justice for our men. 240 00:14:09,093 --> 00:14:12,173 Speaker 4: Twenty nine men don't go to work and they were killed. 241 00:14:12,173 --> 00:14:14,533 Speaker 4: They didn't die, they were killed at work. This was 242 00:14:14,573 --> 00:14:20,693 Speaker 4: a totally avoidable accident, and so that's disgusting that no 243 00:14:20,733 --> 00:14:24,413 Speaker 4: one has been charged over that yet. And we need 244 00:14:24,613 --> 00:14:27,373 Speaker 4: justice for our men, for the families, for New Zealand, 245 00:14:27,453 --> 00:14:31,253 Speaker 4: for the world. Basically, so if the right decision does 246 00:14:31,293 --> 00:14:35,613 Speaker 4: not come we will start kicking up Holy hell again. 247 00:14:35,733 --> 00:14:37,373 Speaker 4: And that's a promise I make. 248 00:14:38,133 --> 00:14:42,373 Speaker 2: Doubt you for a moment. Thank you for your courage 249 00:14:42,453 --> 00:14:45,613 Speaker 2: and your work and for your story and for sharing 250 00:14:45,613 --> 00:14:47,013 Speaker 2: your story. Thank you so much, guy. 251 00:14:47,093 --> 00:14:47,573 Speaker 4: Thank you. 252 00:14:48,573 --> 00:14:51,173 Speaker 2: That's Anna Osborne and so on your rockas they are 253 00:14:51,213 --> 00:14:54,813 Speaker 2: the inspiration for Pike River. We've got all the details 254 00:14:54,813 --> 00:14:57,013 Speaker 2: about the film and you can see it around the country. 255 00:14:57,093 --> 00:14:59,613 Speaker 2: Up on the News Talks dB website. 256 00:14:59,853 --> 00:15:02,933 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame. Listen live 257 00:15:03,053 --> 00:15:05,853 Speaker 1: to News Talks he'd be from nine am Saturday, or 258 00:15:05,933 --> 00:15:07,813 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.