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Speaker 1: Now Labour is going to vote. The Labour Party members

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Speaker 1: are going to vote whether they're going to ban captain's calls.

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Speaker 1: Most recent captain's call was Chris Hopkins last year as

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Speaker 1: the Labour Party leader and Prime Minister going into the election,

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Speaker 1: when he decided to rule out the Wealsh tax that

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Speaker 1: David Parker was so keen on. Former Labor Minister Stuart

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Speaker 1: Nash is with us on the SA stute.

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Speaker 2: How are you, Heather?

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you? Do you reckon you banned

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Speaker 3: the captain's call or no?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not ridiculous thing to do. Well, keep in your

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Speaker 2: mind that the Prime Minister or the leader of the

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Speaker 2: opposition probably has more staff and a more macro outlook

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Speaker 2: on what's tappening over the general economy from a political

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Speaker 2: spectrum than anyone else. You've got to empower your leaders

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Speaker 2: to be able to make calls that he or she

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Speaker 2: thinks are in the best interrists of both the party

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Speaker 2: and the country.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is one region putting it up right,

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Speaker 1: So it's Region one Auckland and Northland. It's probably going

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Speaker 1: to get voted down, isn't because it hasn't got the

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Speaker 1: support of I doubt it's going to have the support

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Speaker 1: of the MP's hasn't got the support of the policy Council.

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Speaker 3: It's an idea going nowhere, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's really good. The concentrating on this is that

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Speaker 2: are important like healthcare, economic development and you know all

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Speaker 2: these other things and cost of living. But I think

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Speaker 2: I'll probably got it down because of going Why would

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Speaker 2: you disempower the leader of your party to make a

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Speaker 2: call that he or she thinks is in the best

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Speaker 2: of the party. And keeping in mind you know, the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister or the lead of the opposition, they often

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Speaker 2: lived and died by the captain's schools. If they make

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Speaker 2: a good one, then fantastic. They make a bad one,

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Speaker 2: then you know they're often in a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 2: So these things aren't made in isolation. They're usually done

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Speaker 2: with a lot of consultation with key advisors anyway, but

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Speaker 2: certainly with the leader of believing that they're making the

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Speaker 2: best call for the party.

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Speaker 3: Are you have you have you had a chance to

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Speaker 3: read this COVID inquiry? Are you going to come out

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Speaker 3: of it looking okay?

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Speaker 2: Not yet? But I hear your tripy on your arsehole.

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Speaker 2: Jesus A lot.

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Speaker 3: Of things that just came out of your mouth that

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Speaker 3: might get me in trouble.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is here, that is you know, I

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Speaker 2: mean obviously I was around the cabinet table the whole

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Speaker 2: time that COVID, the COVID response was in play. You know,

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Speaker 2: everyone is wise in hindsight. We were a cabinet that

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Speaker 2: was faced with a whole lot of really difficult decision

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Speaker 2: to make in a pandemic where there were no rules.

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Speaker 2: And sure, at hindsight we knew, you know, we discussed this,

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Speaker 2: We knew that there were things that in the mindset you

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Speaker 2: probably do differently. But do you know anyone who died

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Speaker 2: of COVID. You don't.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Oh it wasn't in New Zealand, is it? This

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Speaker 3: is important that it's a New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I know, so I remember, you know, I

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Speaker 2: was in my classroom during all that time, of course,

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Speaker 2: and he said you should be doing what Stockholm did,

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Speaker 2: You should leave the economy open. Well, if we've done

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Speaker 2: the same as stockhowned done or Sweden it done, then

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Speaker 2: then there would have been about five thousand people.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, before you

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Speaker 1: start going down this path, Stewart Nash, how many Okay,

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Speaker 1: have you had a look at Stockholm's Have you looked

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Speaker 1: at Sweden's COVID debts in comparison to ours?

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Speaker 2: I was looking at them. Mind, Now we did a

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Speaker 2: really good people. People have very short memories.

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Speaker 1: No, no, But now I'm asking this because I'm going

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Speaker 1: to tell you something. Do you realize that we have

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Speaker 1: caught up to the global average on COVID debts? We

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Speaker 1: haven't saved anybody that weren't going to die.

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Speaker 2: Of course we have. Back then we didn't know what

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Speaker 2: the hell was going on.

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Speaker 3: Now give me this disinformation and misinformation.

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Speaker 2: Hey, don't you spread disinformation.

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Speaker 3: I'm giving you actual data. Hey, listens to you. Thanks

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Speaker 3: very much. Ed appreciated that. Stuart Nash, former Labor Minister.

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