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Speaker 1: And will, where political debates are often criticized as being

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Speaker 1: inconsequential to the wider rice Joe Biden managed to tip

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Speaker 1: that theory on It's hid four days later, he's hunk

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Speaker 1: it down at camp. I've been working out what to do,

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Speaker 1: Nick Spectators. Washington editor Amber ethnes Beck will us am

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Speaker 1: the Good.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Good Morning.

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Speaker 1: Could you believe what you were watching?

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Speaker 2: It was difficult to believe, but I think not surprising

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Speaker 2: for those of us who have been paying attention. It

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Speaker 2: was a huge campaign talking point for Trump back in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty that Biden was not mentally or physically fit

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Speaker 2: to be president. People who brought this up at the

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Speaker 2: time were called conspiracy theorists. They were told that they

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Speaker 2: were crazy, And now four years later, members of the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party and Biden's own campaign are starting to admit

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Speaker 2: what people have been saying for four years. I think

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of sadness for many people watching

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Speaker 2: what happened on Thursday night, and probably a lot of

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Speaker 2: as well from voters who feel like they've been gas

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Speaker 2: lit and disrespected by people on the left who have

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Speaker 2: been trying to cover up for the obvious issues with

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Speaker 2: Biden's health.

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Speaker 1: I got to say, as a New Zealander halfway around

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Speaker 1: the world. I'm not voting, obviously, but I look at

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Speaker 1: a country of three hundred and something million Americans, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking of those two the base you've got. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me. I mean, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people must have been looking at that going this is calamitous.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And there is a significant portion of the

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Speaker 2: voter base in the United States that says that they

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Speaker 2: want an alternative to the two major party candidates. But

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Speaker 2: of course, with the way the US electoral system is

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Speaker 2: set up, it's very difficult for a third party or

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Speaker 2: independent candidate to garner a significant portion of the vote.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's even difficult just to have ballot access.

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons why Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who's

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Speaker 2: consistently pulling at about ten to fifteen percent nationwide, was

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Speaker 2: apparently kept out of that CNN debate was because his

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Speaker 2: signature that he collected to get on the ballot in

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Speaker 2: a number of states had not been verified yet. But

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Speaker 2: a lot of those states are not even at the

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Speaker 2: point in the electoral process where they would verify, so

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Speaker 2: he was basically set up for failure with the rules

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Speaker 2: and regulations that they had in place for who was

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Speaker 2: allowed to participate. And then of course we have a

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Speaker 2: Green Party candidate, you'll sign a Libertarian Party candidate Chase

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Speaker 2: Oliver Cornell West is running. But those individuals all pull

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Speaker 2: at about three percent, if not lower. So right now

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Speaker 2: people are feeling like they have to pick between the

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Speaker 2: best between too bad option.

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Speaker 1: Here's what account work out. You don't go to Camp

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Speaker 1: David with your family unless you're deeply worried. But then

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Speaker 1: out over the weekend they raise millions of dollars. He

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Speaker 1: comes back looks more feisty Jewels. I don't know whether

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Speaker 1: the Jill's doing him damage or not. Obomba's out, Clinton's

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Speaker 1: out saying you had one bed not who cares? What's

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Speaker 1: your sense of this way does this go? Does he

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Speaker 1: stay or not?

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Speaker 2: I think right now they're trying to figure out a

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Speaker 2: way to just weather the storm and see if they

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Speaker 2: can bounce back from this, because the reality of it is,

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Speaker 2: if they want to replace Joe Biden, not only does

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Speaker 2: he have to willingly step aside in order for them

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Speaker 2: to avoid a very chaotic broker convention, but they also

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Speaker 2: have to have someone worth replacing him with and one

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Speaker 2: of the things that they have been giving to donors

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Speaker 2: in the past couple of days is actually a set

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Speaker 2: of polling that shows all of the potential alternatives to

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden are when put in a head to head

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Speaker 2: matchup against former President Donald Trump, are polling at or

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Speaker 2: below Joe Biden and Kamala Harris consistently has a very

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Speaker 2: dismal approval rating and if the Democrats try to pass

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Speaker 2: her over, that's going to be another scandal for them

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Speaker 2: to try to overcome. So right now, it's sort of

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Speaker 2: the devil you know, might be better than the devil

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Speaker 2: you don't great pleasure mbago.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll talk again soon, Amber. And that's their problem,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean, Kamala Harris, do you pass on

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Speaker 1: the president even if he pulls out? And that's historic

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Speaker 1: of in nature all by itself. You then naturally go

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Speaker 1: to the vice president or whoops, no you don't because

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Speaker 1: she can't win. Who do you go to? And so

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Speaker 1: they are between a rock and a major hard place.

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