1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the BSA because the Broadcasting Standards Authority 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: has decided it is now in charge of the Internet, 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: which means that it can now consider that complaint against 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: Sean Plunketts show on the platform. Winston Peters is not happy, 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: but you've got ideas from the BSA is rising bordering 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: on fascist behavior. Thank they they should go, they should 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: be abolished. Paul Goldsmith is the Broadcasting Minister and with 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: us now, Hi Paul, Hello Heather, how are you very well? 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: Thank you? You happy with us. 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: With the decision. Look, it's not ultimately as a minister 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: for me to make a judgment about their individual decisions. 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: But the reality is that the legislation is out of date. 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: There's no question about that sort of It was done 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 2: in the early late eighties. It relates to a world 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: where you just had broadcasting TV and broadcasting radio, and 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: so there was a situation built up around that. Now, 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: of course, the world has moved on and the boundary 18 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: has got blurry. So we've got three options. Basically, we 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: can just leave it as it is and let the 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: BUSCA sort of work out where that boundary is, or 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: we could change the legislation to be clear about where 22 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: the boundary is in relation to broadcasting and podcasts and 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: things like that. Or we could just asks the BSA 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: and say the world's moved on, let's just have a 25 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: media council deal with media complaint. And as a government, 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 2: we haven't made a decision on that, but those are 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: the three options, and so we need to sort of 28 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: come to a conclusion on that as a government, and 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: we haven't yet. 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: We have talked to you about this for six months 31 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: and we've had exactly these three options in front of 32 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: us and waiting for you to make a decision. So 33 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: when do you make a decision. 34 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: Well, it was interesting when I talked about the potential 35 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: to just shut it down mister Peters a couple of 36 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: months ago he said no, no, I don't do that, 37 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: and now he's in favor of it, so you know 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: he's changed his Did he say why, Well, didn't want 39 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: to throw out the baby with the bath water, I 40 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: think was the phrase. And so look, I mean I 41 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: think that this is a this is a discussion we 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: can have, but the reality is to do that, we 43 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: need to legislate. And as of talk to you many times, 44 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: you know, we've got lots of priorities for legislation in 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 2: this government. I'm focused on restoring law and order and 46 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: a bunch of things. So there's a high threshold before 47 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 2: we start legislating. And I can understand that mister mister 48 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: Plunkett is very exercised about this and he obviously wants 49 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: to do a lot of attention to it. But so 50 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: tell me, tell me, tell me where the fire is burning. 51 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Where the fire is but inside 52 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: my south? 53 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: Yes? 54 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 1: Is that what you mean? 55 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: No, I mean you talked about that. They said that 56 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: they're going to regulate the internet. That is not what 57 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: they're saying. That is just nonsense. No, it's just there 58 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: is a category of programs that are broadcast through the 59 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 2: Internet rather than through through the towers and broadcasting channels 60 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: that we have in the past. That's what we're talking about. 61 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: Which program is programs now fall within their purview? 62 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and and that is where the boundary is 63 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: not clear. There's three or four things such as why are. 64 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: You, as a minister chill about this? 65 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not chill about it. I'm just saying that 66 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: the media, the media that the legislation's out of date. 67 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: But democracy is not going to collapse, and the democracy 68 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 2: is not going to collapse in the meantime because. 69 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: What's going on here, like what is going on here 70 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: is because they have now decided that that that anything 71 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: in the wild west of the Internet is fair game 72 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: for them. 73 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: They haven't. They have not decided that you have that 74 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: they have decided. 75 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: I asked you to define what programs they have purview 76 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: over now and you said you couldn't. So it literally 77 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: is the whole internet, then no, it is not. 78 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: The decision is absolutely clear that it does not relate 79 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: to anything on demand. It does not relate to personal 80 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: online content. Is talking about scheduled programs, which one and 81 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: and well, that's the thing. There are three or two 82 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: or three that may be in that category. I agree 83 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: it is untidy. It's not a podcast, but it's not 84 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: the number one issue of the government at the moment, 85 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: but something. 86 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: That we should about because you understand this is it podcasts. 87 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: No, it's not not not a a podcast, is not 88 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: a scheduled program and that's the best thing in the world. 89 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: So if he does it basically live, he gets in trouble. 90 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: But if he pre records it and puts it out 91 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: as a podcast with more offensive stuff and it he 92 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: doesn't get in trouble that stupid. 93 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're right about what are you doing? 94 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: This is nonsense. 95 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 2: You could shut it down, yes, and that is one 96 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: of the options we're considering. Or you could try and. 97 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: By and letting this happen. I'll tell you what's going 98 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: to happen here. The problem that happens is that this lot, 99 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: who all will be most likely leaning towards a certain 100 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: political inclination, will go through and go I don't like that. 101 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: We know, we'll take that one on them. We'll take 102 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: because if we're going to start picking in using what 103 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: we've got jurisdiction over, then they can just start picking 104 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: and choosing the things that they don't like and they 105 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: start shutting that down, and that tilts the political scales, 106 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: doesn't it. 107 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting, and that is why I'm very open 108 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: to the idea that its time has finished. You keep 109 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: saying it, and we could say that. Well, but the 110 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: last time I had a conversation with on this, he said, no, 111 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: don't do it. He's changed. Well, you need the support 112 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: of all three parties to do something, and so now. 113 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: Said that it's okay. Body, So are you're going to 114 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: go back and talk to him and see if you 115 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 1: can get it done before the election. 116 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: I will, I will, will you. 117 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,239 Speaker 1: No one's going to check up on you on this, say. 118 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: Uh and yes, well, yes, I'm sure you will. Well 119 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: look forward to having that conversation. 120 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: Now, just so that this isn't utterly pointless. Are you 121 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: still going to be the Media and Communications Minister tomorrow 122 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: after the reshuffle? 123 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: Well, Heather, I'm sure you'll be the first to know 124 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: when the Prime Minister announced it to the so the 125 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: nation tomorrow. 126 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: Goldie, thanks very much, Thanks for doing nothing in your 127 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: entire time. There is the Media and Communications Minister. That's 128 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: Paul Goldsmith. 129 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 130 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: News Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 131 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.