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Speaker 1: Depressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Andrew

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Speaker 1: Dickens on Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: to coverage like no one else news talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be afternoon June and welcome to the program. It's

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Speaker 2: the third of October. It's seven after four today after

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Speaker 2: pay is allowing people to buy their groceries and petrol

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Speaker 2: on credit. That's after pay. Budgeting experts are ringing alarm bells.

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Speaker 2: Will have that story for your next The Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: is telling the Jewish community he's taking quick action here

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Speaker 2: after that terrorist attack on the synagogue in England. But

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Speaker 2: the Jewish Council believes is a global rise of anti

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Speaker 2: Semitism and it's taken root here. We'll talk to the

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Speaker 2: council after five plus. Of course, Taylor Swift has a

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Speaker 2: and we're going to have a rabid fan to squeal

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Speaker 2: excitedly for you round about five fifteen today plus correspondents

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Speaker 2: and you can have your say by texting me. Nine

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Speaker 2: That's where the Jewish world is. In fact, the whole

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Speaker 2: world is reeling in the aftermath of the deeply disturbing

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Speaker 2: attack on the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue. This is

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Speaker 2: of Manchester. Happened during Yong Kapur, the holiest day in

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Speaker 2: the Jewish calendar. Could you make even more of a

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Speaker 2: single than that the horror meet it out by a

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Speaker 2: British citizen, but of Syrian descent. So this sort of

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Speaker 2: violence in Britain has been a long time coming, and

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Speaker 2: there's been tension between British nationalists and of course the

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Speaker 2: massive surge of Arab refugees and immigrants into Great Britain

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Speaker 2: over the past twenty years due to economic reasons and

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Speaker 2: of course wars and more. But is this a sign

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Speaker 2: that anti Semitism is sweeping the globe? And is it

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Speaker 2: a sign that anti Semitism is sweeping New Zealand. That

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Speaker 2: is the fear of the Jewish Council of New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: who say that anti Semitism does not rise in isolation.

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Speaker 2: They feel the Jewish community in New Zealand feel exposed

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Speaker 2: and there's an ambient anti Semitism that has become normalized

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Speaker 2: in many public and online spaces right here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: And they have a point when you go to a

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Speaker 2: know what that means, and the proliferation of Palestinian scarves

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Speaker 2: on our streets, or because of the protest against the

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Speaker 2: war in Gaza to in Israeli to a Jewish eye,

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Speaker 2: that feels like anti Semitism. But is it really antisemitism

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Speaker 2: or is it just the reaction to what the New

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Speaker 2: two years ago. Is there really hatred for the religious

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Speaker 2: a more secular position protesting the state and not the faith.

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Speaker 2: And personally, whenever I've said anything about Israel, I've hated

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Speaker 2: being labeled an anti Semite because I know I'm not

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Speaker 2: an anti Semite. I'm allowed to criticize the actions of

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Speaker 2: the government of Israel. I'm not criticizing the faith. I'm

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Speaker 2: clever enough to know that the two things can be

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Speaker 2: simultaneously held without prejudice and conversey. If we're looking at

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Speaker 2: a rise of hatred in this country, what about the

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Speaker 2: christ Church Mosk attack as a sign that Islamophobia is

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Speaker 2: far more widespread in this country than anti Semitism. But

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Speaker 2: what do I know. I'm not Jewish. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how they feel. What I feel is it's okay to

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Speaker 2: to attack a faith. And it doesn't matter what faith

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Speaker 2: we're talking about here. So we'll talk more about this

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Speaker 2: later and it's the Jewish councilor joining us after five

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Speaker 2: and we will investigate the rise of anti Semitism in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. Gone are the days when you actually have

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Speaker 2: to pay for your fuel and groceries. From now on,

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Speaker 2: you can have to pay it. It's that buy now,

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Speaker 2: pay later service. They've reversed their policy to not let

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Speaker 2: users access their service at the supermarket petro stations. This

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Speaker 2: is just seven months after introducing the ban. Better yet,

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Speaker 2: you can no longer have to even make your first

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Speaker 2: Jake Lily is a senior policy advisor for financial mentoring

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Speaker 3: Hello, Jake, good, how's it going?

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Speaker 4: Very good?

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Speaker 2: This confuses me. Seven months ago it is a bad thing,

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Speaker 2: Okay, why why should we banned people from doing it?

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's about banning in this instance. I

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Speaker 5: mean you could go down and use credit card to

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Speaker 5: They can't put you into a loan that would have

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Speaker 5: These sorts of loans aren't fully regulated like equivalent loans.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, how different is this

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess you've got a credit card. That limit

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Speaker 5: checked that they're not trapping you beforehand with an affordability assessment.

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Speaker 5: But at the moment, by now pay later, aren't captured

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Speaker 5: so that we've all got it, but yeah, at the

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Speaker 5: service and mentors of seeing the pain that comes with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That bill would hand over credit lending enforcement

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Speaker 2: to the FMA and STIU of the ComCom. Would that

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Speaker 5: It also hands over the power to decide Watson and

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Speaker 5: what's out for our credit protections to the FMA instead

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Speaker 6: So once we go through the.

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Speaker 2: I made a mistake by actually casually using the word ban.

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Speaker 2: But what you would say is that you need to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is really a worry when someone puts that

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Speaker 5: we see as people trying to keep these buying now

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Speaker 5: financial mentors really worry, Jake.

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Speaker 2: I thank you very much for your time. Jack Lily

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Speaker 2: as the thin Cap senior policy advisor. He said, right

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Speaker 2: at the beginning, have you gone to after pay for

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Speaker 2: a reaction? Well, we've just got it, just got the

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Speaker 2: statement from after pay. After pay is evolving based on

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Speaker 2: customer feedback and strong merchant partnerships. The reintroduction of no

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Speaker 2: payment upfront for fuel and groceries gives customers greater flexibility

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Speaker 2: while maintaining our commitment to responsible lending. Using after pay

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Speaker 2: for every day spending is now mainstream, and by enabling

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Speaker 2: this feature through our trusted to network, we're meeting customer

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Speaker 2: a safe, interest free alternative to traditional credit cards, who

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Speaker 2: day space responsibly. How do you feel about it? How

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Speaker 2: small charge of pies. Now, no cricket today because it's raining.

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Speaker 2: What a surprise. It's October. You know we're not having

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Speaker 2: a summer of cricket. We're having a spring of cricket

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Speaker 3: And I want to know.

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Speaker 2: What's that about. Why don't we have the best cricket January, February, Hey, December,

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 2: It be News Talks here, b I Andrew Dickens and

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Speaker 2: for Heather, who's away for a little bit of a holiday.

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Speaker 2: Back again on Monday. It is eighteen minutes after four,

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Speaker 2: so after pay. It's a bit remarkable with that have

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Speaker 2: to pay that seven months ago they thought no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: we shouldn't do this because this could trap people in

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Speaker 2: months later they reverse their decision. I mean, what changed

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Speaker 2: higher purchase and it is really actually quite remarkable. But

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Speaker 2: the interest rates are less than if you're doing it

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Speaker 2: that says for those who are good with money yet struggle,

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Speaker 2: it's a God sends. But sometimes you have to wonder

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Speaker 2: whether those people who are struggling are good with money

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Speaker 2: in the first place. It is nineteen after four.

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine afternoon, Hello Andrew. I may have been a

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Speaker 2: bit quick in saying that there's no cricket tonight, but

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Speaker 2: it doesn't look like there's any cricket tonight.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 7: I've had a look at the forecast and it doesn't

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Speaker 7: look promising, nor doesn't look promising for tomorrow night. It's odd,

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Speaker 7: isn't it. You know that you think of a place

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Speaker 7: whether most of the time in Mount montnganer be to

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Speaker 7: one of the places you'll land on.

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Speaker 3: But we are early October.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say it is October. I had

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Speaker 2: never seen an international game played now, and I've just

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Speaker 2: of course we have an autumn of cricket after this

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Speaker 2: spring of cricket. What's that about.

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Speaker 7: So how does that where? This is a very good

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Speaker 2: weekends week a time, all right, Jason Plaine, have yourself

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Speaker 2: a great weekend. It is now twenty three minutes after four,

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Andrew dickens on

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Speaker 2: They'd be for twenty six as being anti Israel, the

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Speaker 2: The latest is Italy backs Trump's cease fire plan. The

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Oh, this person's quite good.

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Speaker 2: I think this person might have a future of music.

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Speaker 2: We've contempt to.

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Speaker 4: Put me in the basement.

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Speaker 2: It's a complex rhythm. Yes, we are going to Taylor

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Speaker 2: In the wake of what happened in Manchester, Sakir Starmer

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Speaker 10: It is a hatred that is rising once again and

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Speaker 10: Britain must defeat it once again. This is a country

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Speaker 2: The mother and two people are dead after the attack,

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Speaker 11: Well, they could be firings, and that's their fault, and

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Speaker 2: All right, Dave. Finally, visitors are describing the Disney World

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Speaker 1: To five International Correspondent squid ends and eye insurance, Peace

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Speaker 13: Andrew, good afternoon to you and all will listeners.

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Speaker 2: Are you fizziting with excitement in that Taylor Swift's album

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Speaker 13: Twenty one minutes, twenty four seconds. We could do this

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Speaker 3: How long did you? How long did you work on that?

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Speaker 3: In well few minutes time.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, Jonathan, I think Tellor Swift now transcends music.

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Speaker 2: She could actually release her sort of humming Happy Birthday

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Speaker 2: over and over and over again. It will still go crazy.

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Speaker 2: She has transcends music. But when you put that to

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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, fans like, oh no, the music is everything.

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Speaker 2: Which I will do later on. Let's talk about something

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Speaker 2: a lot more serious, and that is the shutdown and

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's plans to perhaps fillow some people forever.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, this is extraordinary, and I think we're going to

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Speaker 13: start seeing the initial movements probably in the coming hours.

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Speaker 13: The White House has already indicated there's going to be

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Speaker 13: mass layoffs in thousands, and they could begin as early

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Speaker 13: as tomorrow, as early as yeah, tomorrow, in the United States,

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Speaker 13: the president's itinery has been released. You likeily won't see

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Speaker 13: him in public again tomorrow. We didn't see him in

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Speaker 13: public today. He's been accusing Democrats of being the ones

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Speaker 13: behind this shutdown, but it is Republicans who control the House,

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Speaker 13: Republicans who control the Senate, and Republicans who control the

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Speaker 13: White House. Now what does it actually all mean. Well,

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Speaker 13: it means that a whole bunch of federal government run programs,

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Speaker 13: federal government run tourist attractions can effectively have their doors closed.

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Speaker 13: And we've seen that already. I mean, the Statue of

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Speaker 13: Liberty is threatening with having its lights turned off. Island

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Speaker 13: in the Bay Area here in California that's been closed down,

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Speaker 13: The Washington Monument's been closed down, but in reality, this

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Speaker 13: is now going to mean what Donald Trump has been

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Speaker 13: trying to do, and that is shrieked the bureaucracy. And

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Speaker 13: I think in the coming hours you're going to start

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Speaker 13: seeing his first movements on how that's going to play out,

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Speaker 13: and there will be layoffs. He's already said that. His

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Speaker 13: Press Secretary Caroline loved said at the White House today,

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Speaker 13: it's just how deep and how wide are they going

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Speaker 13: to go?

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Speaker 6: Because we know that they.

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Speaker 13: Are trying to cut their bottom line big time in

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Speaker 13: order to try and save minions across the economy. But

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Speaker 13: the longer this goes on, the more it hurts the

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Speaker 13: economy too. I mean we're already hearing from places that

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Speaker 13: help mothers and children who are on low incomes and

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Speaker 13: try and get food vouches to them. Those organizations are

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Speaker 13: going to be forced to shut down in the coming

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Speaker 13: days if this goes on, and it is going to

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Speaker 13: go on at least until next week. That is because

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Speaker 13: they have not been voting on the Senate today because

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Speaker 13: it is yon Kapoor. They will return tomorrow. It will

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Speaker 13: not get through. The spend bills will not go through tomorrow.

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Speaker 13: They will not sit over the weekend. So we will

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Speaker 13: go through to this into what will be day six

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Speaker 13: come Monday, and so it will drag on and very

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Speaker 13: very quickly you will find that people financially will be hurting,

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Speaker 13: them be hurting very very badly. Indeed, they won't be

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Speaker 13: able to afford to get to work. They may not

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Speaker 13: be fabled to afford to put the food on the table.

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Speaker 13: And the last time we saw a shutdown in Trump

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Speaker 13: administration twenty eight and twenty nineteen, it's thirty five days

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Speaker 13: and we saw lines at food banks. Now the president

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Speaker 13: is not going to want to see those images again,

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Speaker 13: and if he does, he's likely to shift the blood

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Speaker 13: politically onto his opponents. So maybe it will be shrink

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Speaker 13: the workforce, get done what he wants to get done,

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Speaker 13: and then tell his Republicans to go back and get

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Speaker 13: something through that reopens the government again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big risk because everybody who's paid by

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Speaker 2: the fair will also vote, you know, and he'll find

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Speaker 2: he'll lose a lot of voters. And there's a perception thing.

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Speaker 6: But there we go.

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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin's not happy and unhappy that he's not happy.

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Speaker 2: But what's he not happy about?

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Speaker 13: Well, he's not happy, but a whole range of things.

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Speaker 13: I mean, he's not happy that NATO is involved in

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Speaker 13: trying to protect NATO's own airspace. He is seemingly unhappy

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Speaker 13: with the idea that the United States could re arm

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Speaker 13: Ukraine with potentially even stronger Tomahawk missiles that could reach

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Speaker 13: well inside Russia. He's issued a warning that essentially to

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Speaker 13: the United States that could be an escalation. He's told

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Speaker 13: NATO essentially they need to calm down to even though

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Speaker 13: what NATO has done is put up its own fighter

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Speaker 13: jets to stop Russian drones or drones launched from Russia

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Speaker 13: going into their own airspace. So what you're seeing is

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Speaker 13: a very tense situation play out between Russia, the United States,

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Speaker 13: and Ukraine. America's president has said he's not happy with

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Speaker 13: the Russian presidents that he thought he might have got

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Speaker 13: a little bit more out of the Alaska meeting. But

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Speaker 13: I think anybody who watched that Alaska summit take place

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Speaker 13: between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump would have walked away

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Speaker 13: in the hours after thinking, well, America didn't really get

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Speaker 13: anything out of this, and peace in Ukraine doesn't seem

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Speaker 13: any closer, and right now it actually doesn't and now

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Speaker 13: you've got the idea of the United States ramping up

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Speaker 13: the supports to Ukraine with missiles that could potentially reach

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Speaker 13: well inside Russia. And while that starts to become an

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Speaker 13: extra big problem, and with Vladimir Putin already saying that

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Speaker 13: that would be a major escalation, well then you have

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Speaker 13: to wonder what comes next.

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Speaker 2: Oh what a lovely thought to go into a weekend

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Speaker 2: for Jonathan Kurzley. I thank you so very much for

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Speaker 2: your time, Jonathan, our US correspondents, and it's coming up

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Speaker 2: a quarter to five texts through on ninety two ninety

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Speaker 2: two small charge does apply. Ben says, I stand by

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Speaker 2: the right to protest, but at someone's home late at night,

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Speaker 2: when they're trying to sleep, that's harassment, says Ben, and

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Speaker 2: I thank you for that mean while another says some

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Speaker 2: will say the protesters went too far, that MPs deserve

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Speaker 2: privacy and should be safe in their own homes. Ask

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Speaker 2: those people how many Palestine people are safe in their

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Speaker 2: own homes. We're talking about the Winston Peters protest last

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Speaker 2: night Instant Mary's Bay at night, banging and clattering of

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Speaker 2: pots and pans, affecting not just Winston but the entire neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Barry Soper on that and more. Next here on new

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Speaker 2: Talks Head.

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Speaker 1: Be Politics with centrics Credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper.

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Speaker 12: Good afternoon, Andrew, It's good to have you.

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Speaker 3: Hear it now.

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Speaker 2: Winston Peter's your great mate, had a terrible night last night.

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Speaker 2: Thirty protesters chanting, banging drums, waving Palestinian fags, waiting messages

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Speaker 2: on the chalk on the footpath, all about the detained

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders in the flotilla, upsetting the good people of

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Speaker 2: Saint Mary's. Baby irony there is that the other side

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Speaker 2: of Winston's house is the motorway.

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Speaker 12: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So he's got a motorway humming all night long on

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Speaker 2: one side, and he's got a whole lot of chanting

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Speaker 2: protesters on the other side.

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Speaker 3: What do you know about it?

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Speaker 12: Well, you know it's to me a person's home is

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Speaker 12: their castle, and you know, nobody's got the right to

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Speaker 12: stand outside a public figures home and bang on drums

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Speaker 12: and disturb the whole neighborhood. He lives in a pretty

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Speaker 12: small street and the protesters, when they posted online said

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Speaker 12: come down and join us. We'll be doing this more

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Speaker 12: than tonight. They were out there at five o'clock again

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Speaker 12: this morning. How did they know that Winston Peters was

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Speaker 12: going to get up and have his car there to

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Speaker 12: go to the airport. Now somebody I don't know who

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Speaker 12: told them, but they were there then.

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Speaker 3: And you know, to me, it's just not you might say.

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Speaker 12: Respectful, but that sounds too twee. But people should be

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Speaker 12: able to say what they like in this country in

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Speaker 12: terms of democracy and do what they like. And the

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Speaker 12: government government has got to be able to govern without

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Speaker 12: these woons gathering outside his house. Now, Winston was quiet

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Speaker 12: on it initially, but he in a trump est trump

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Speaker 12: ESQ like he posted on X. I don't know the

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Speaker 12: trump uses X, but he said politicians had families and

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Speaker 12: children just like every other key we home. He said,

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Speaker 12: our families don't deserve to be harrised and intimidated for

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Speaker 12: any reason. He said they lost their moral high ground

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Speaker 12: when they turned up outside his house.

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Speaker 3: And I tend to agree with him.

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Speaker 12: And you'll remember last month Paul Goldsmith, the Justice Minister,

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Speaker 12: he said that they were looking at the possibility of

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Speaker 12: it being an offense to protest outside a person's home,

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Speaker 12: well that maybe move forward now, who.

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Speaker 2: Knows at temperature specifically. Rising had a text that I

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Speaker 2: read up just before I got into the ad break

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Speaker 2: before you that said MPs deserve privacy and they should

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Speaker 2: be safely their own homes. Yes, but how many Palestine

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Speaker 2: people are safe in their homes.

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Speaker 12: It's always going to be the argument, isn't it, though?

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Speaker 12: And the thing is to really understand this issue is

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Speaker 12: to know that everyone probably in the world, including most

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Speaker 12: people that live in Israel, are appalled by what's happened

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Speaker 12: in Gaza, and so it doesn't diminish that in any

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Speaker 12: way at all. We all hate it, we all hate

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Speaker 12: what we've seen, but you know, we are entitled to

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Speaker 12: take our own stances on what was said. And indeed

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Speaker 12: I supported the stance that New Zealand took last week

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Speaker 12: this time last week in New York because you had

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Speaker 12: to read the speech really to understand it, and it

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Speaker 12: was a very very well written, good speech, and I

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Speaker 12: just hope that those protesters would take the time out

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Speaker 12: to read it themselves.

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Speaker 2: I did post that and I said, read it. It's

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Speaker 2: a grown up piece of it's weighing everything up. He's

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Speaker 2: a lawyer, and you know I got I understood it

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Speaker 2: and all that sort of thing. But boy, when I

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Speaker 2: posted that on social media, I got a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: I know, grow some ballstick has become a real journalist,

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Speaker 2: you know, stick up for no No, I am a

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Speaker 2: real journalist. I just read the words.

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Speaker 12: Yes, yes, indeed, and you know everybody's entitled to have

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Speaker 12: the essay.

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Speaker 2: I think, all right, neighbors getting more questions about the

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Speaker 2: Mary Party today, Well they're going to get.

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Speaker 12: Them, aren't they. And this is going to happen if

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Speaker 12: the leadership the Maori Party can't sort themselves out. And

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Speaker 12: of course we've got the son who headed the Hiquoi

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Speaker 12: to Parliament coming out against the party that his mum

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Speaker 12: is an MP.

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Speaker 2: He's an impressive young man, he's.

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Speaker 12: Very well spoken and so he's called the Maori Party

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Speaker 12: leadership a dictatorship. And of course Debbie no Riuwa Packer

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Speaker 12: and Roie Way to Tea is they're not saying anything

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Speaker 12: essentially now and they should have. They should have made

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Speaker 12: some sort of statement in Ferris's you know again criticizing

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Speaker 12: him for what he doubled down on Labour's constantly being

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Speaker 12: asked about doing business with the Maldi party and Willie Jackson,

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Speaker 12: a good mate of the party's president John Tammy Harry.

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Speaker 12: He was asked about it this morning.

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Speaker 14: Don't ask me, but I think the leadership. You know,

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Speaker 14: you got raw Woody deep JT.

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Speaker 6: John.

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Speaker 2: I mean they've got a big job because.

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Speaker 14: The other side of it is, you know they've got

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Speaker 14: a young woman coming into parliament. Now we go to

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Speaker 14: Parliament next week, big big week for her, big week

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Speaker 14: for her community.

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Speaker 6: I would have thought that'll be the priority. Now.

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Speaker 14: Now I'm not saying they're going to be a Coalisian partner,

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Speaker 14: but what I do get tired of is how they

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Speaker 14: get written off all the time by people and they going, well,

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Speaker 14: they're just not suitable. The party Maori did a deal

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Speaker 14: with the National Party in two thousand and eight. They

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Speaker 14: were probably even more radical than this slot.

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Speaker 2: And I'll say so that is no, they were well

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Speaker 2: don Barry Saber and I thank you. Barry's back after

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Speaker 2: six as we review the week, it is seven to five.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: Let's get some insight into how much of a mess

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Speaker 11: the Mary Party in it. A flabbel former co leaders

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Speaker 11: with us Erud Karpa KINGI I don't know him, do you?

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Speaker 11: He seems like a very affable, likable sort of bloke,

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Speaker 11: very articulate.

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Speaker 6: That's a good summary of them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So is he trouble or is he going?

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Speaker 6: There?

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Speaker 11: Something fundamentally wrong with the Marory.

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Speaker 6: Party and the statement of these natives politicians need to

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Speaker 6: stop being activists and activists need to stop being politicians,

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Speaker 6: which I think is a fair call.

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Speaker 11: Is the dictatorship thing. The thing is that your observation

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Speaker 11: that they got a problem run there.

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Speaker 6: I sort of haven't been involved too much with a

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Speaker 6: party at that level since I left. Got on the

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Speaker 6: face of it, you'd say there's a few things going on.

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Speaker 11: Back Monday from six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 11: a Vida News talk zb.

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Speaker 2: He Ramsey with the latest of news coming up at

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Speaker 2: five o'clock, and then we're with the Jewish Council to

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Speaker 2: talk about the possible rise of anti Semitism in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand how real is that? And but later on a

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Speaker 2: dude who actually makes drones who could now get some

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Speaker 2: money from the New Zealand government to make even better drones.

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Speaker 2: What sort of drones does he make? We'll find that out.

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Speaker 2: And a very excitable fanom of Taylor Swift's, because Taylor

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Speaker 2: in three minutes time releases an album. The last album

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Speaker 2: she released was Tortured Poets Department came out and then

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Speaker 2: when't you know, it became a double album just hours

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Speaker 2: later called the Anthology thirty one songs on. It all

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Speaker 2: ended out in the US Top one hundred. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this woman who cares what the songs are like, She's

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Speaker 2: just they just buy it, it seems.

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Speaker 6: Anyway.

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Speaker 2: From Tortured Poets Department to take us to news, I

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Speaker 2: can do it with a broken heart. This is newstalk' zedba.

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Speaker 1: You know, check up my job, the only drive show

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Speaker 1: you can trust to ask the questions, get the answers,

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Speaker 1: find the facts and give the analysis. Andrew Dickens on

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Speaker 1: Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 1: power of satellite mobile News Talk Sippy.

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Speaker 2: After They're Welcome to the program at seven after five.

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Speaker 2: So the Prime Minister is telling the Jewish community that

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Speaker 2: he's taking quick action here in New Zealand after the

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Speaker 2: terrorist attack on a synagogue in England were two people

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Speaker 2: died forward seriously injured. This was a Manchester on Yom Kapua,

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Speaker 2: which is the holiest day in the Jewish calendar. It

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Speaker 2: was obviously very symbolic. The attacker a thirty five year

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Speaker 2: old British citizen of Syrian descent. He was killed by police.

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Speaker 2: So Christopher Luxon says appropriate action will be taken here,

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Speaker 2: including increased security around synagogues.

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Speaker 15: These are looking at that this morning.

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Speaker 2: I've been brief quickly on that they will continue to

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Speaker 2: look at stepping up whatever else they can do. All right,

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Speaker 2: Ben Caps from the New Zealand Jewish Council is with

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Speaker 2: me now, and good afternoon.

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Speaker 16: To you, Ben Hi Andrew Hay doing good mate.

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Speaker 2: Have you been told by the police or security services

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Speaker 2: or anybody as to what is going to happen outside

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Speaker 2: areas where Jewish people congregate them?

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Speaker 16: I mean obviously that the people in our community you

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Speaker 16: handle those sorts of things, have been talking with the

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Speaker 16: various authorities and I'm sure they will do what they

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Speaker 16: need to do to ensure that we're safe.

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Speaker 2: I know that the Jewish councilors say that you at

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Speaker 2: these days feel exposed. Do you feel at this in

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Speaker 2: this country that the protection needs to be stepped up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: Well, I mean, I think there's some context here.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 16: For the last year or two, we've had leaders in

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Speaker 16: New Zealand chant and shout to globalize the Nafada. What

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Speaker 16: we saw in Manchester last night is an example of

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Speaker 16: what happens when you globalize the Nafada. So, in good

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Speaker 16: Jewish style, I'm going to answer your question with another question,

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Speaker 16: which is a question to those leaders in New Zealand

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Speaker 16: who are chanting globalize the Intafada, is that what they meant?

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Speaker 16: And is that what they want for New Zealand, Because

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Speaker 16: that's really worrying if it is.

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Speaker 12: Wellether.

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Speaker 2: This is the question I've actually asked with Chloe and

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Speaker 2: many other people. When you say from the river to

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Speaker 2: the sea, do you know what that means? When you

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Speaker 2: say global interfada, do you know what that means? Is

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Speaker 2: that actually synonymous with anti Semitism or are they actually

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Speaker 2: protesting the secular state of Israel?

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Speaker 16: Well, I think the reality is the people that here

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Speaker 16: globalize the Intafada can't differentiate between those two things. And

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Speaker 16: that's why you see you know, people doing what they

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Speaker 16: do in synagogues or firebombing, you know, Jewish owned businesses

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Speaker 16: in New Zealand. Or abusing kids in schools or universities.

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Speaker 16: To them, that is globalization of the Entafada. And so

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Speaker 16: we are calling for people to think about their words

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Speaker 16: and think about what they say, and think about the

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Speaker 16: direct consequence of the things that they say too frankly

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Speaker 16: signal their own virtue and gain attention.

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Speaker 2: But what do you say to all those people who

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Speaker 2: want to who are standing against Israel's actions in Gaza,

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Speaker 2: for instance, and want to criticize Israel the state for

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Speaker 2: their military actions in Gaza, and who are then met

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Speaker 2: with cries of you're an anti Semite?

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Speaker 6: What do you say?

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Speaker 2: What do you say about the other side?

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Speaker 16: So there's absolutely no doubt in my mind or in

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Speaker 16: our minds that criticism of Israel is absolutely valid, and

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Speaker 16: criticism of Israel, you know, isn't directly anti Semitism. We

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Speaker 16: have no issue with that. Conflating thections of the State

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Speaker 16: of Israel or the government of Israel with Jews globally,

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Speaker 16: that is clearly anti semitism, all right.

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Speaker 2: And is this or because of Gaza or is this

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Speaker 2: something that's been rising for a while, Because I remember

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Speaker 2: being young when Jewish cemeteries were being attacked and there

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Speaker 2: were swastikas all over the place. There was always some

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Speaker 2: crazy sickos who had some love affair with Adolf Hitler.

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Speaker 2: Is this rising because of Gaza?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 16: So I mean the same right. My grandmother is buried

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Speaker 16: at the Cory Cemetery and I remember as a kid

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Speaker 16: seeing her grave interfaced with swosti because it's always been there.

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Speaker 16: But clearly over the past couple of years people have

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Speaker 16: been emboldened by people in New Zealand who frankly should

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Speaker 16: know better, saying flippantly things that have delitarious impacts. And

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Speaker 16: what we saw in Manchester is there is a direct

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Speaker 16: line between people calling to globalize the inta fada and

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Speaker 16: people being murdered.

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Speaker 2: Well, Ben, I thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy your weekend. It is eleven after five, all right,

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Speaker 2: let us government announced them from Judith Tizzarut. She's announced

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Speaker 2: a huge boost to our local defense industry. Judith Collins,

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Speaker 2: the Defense Minister, says the government will invest up to

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Speaker 2: three hundred million dollars in the advanced technology sector to

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Speaker 2: produce military requirements. So who's going to get this sort

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Speaker 2: of money. Who's going to apply for it? Well, one

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Speaker 2: of those local defense companies is Saios Aerospace. They're based

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Speaker 2: in Tonoga. They make drones, and its chief executives Sam Vai,

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Speaker 2: who joins me. Now, Hello Sam, Hey, good effenoing. So

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Speaker 2: for people who aren't familiar with SIAS, what do you do?

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Speaker 2: What does your company do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: Okay, So SIUs Aerospace develops some manufacturers uncrewed vehicles or drones,

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Speaker 15: drones and robotics across air, land and sea. So we

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Speaker 15: make drones that fly, drones that drive on the ground UGBs,

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Speaker 15: and drones that go in the water. So autonomous spokes.

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Speaker 3: How long have you been doing that for? So we've

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Speaker 3: been doing it.

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Speaker 15: Company's been around four years in Mountain Monmonoi, and about

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Speaker 15: two years ago we really progressed into working further in

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Speaker 15: the defense sector, but primarily because we wanted to support

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Speaker 15: the effort for Ukrainians and the Ukrainian war.

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Speaker 2: Are you still in a design phase or do you

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Speaker 2: have working prototypes or product.

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Speaker 15: So absolutely, we have work in products right now that

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Speaker 15: are operational in operational use. And you know, we have

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Speaker 15: a wide range of vehicles from uncrewed helicopters to autonomous

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Speaker 15: boats and a number of these are in operational use

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Speaker 15: as well as we have new systems and new products

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Speaker 15: in development.

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Speaker 2: So you already have a client list, correct, very good.

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Speaker 2: So what does this kind of partnership with the government

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Speaker 2: with a defense force mean for a company like yours?

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Speaker 2: How will it change things? Because you sound like you're

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Speaker 2: doing pretty good by yourself.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Look, one of the huge ad advantages with this industry

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Speaker 15: strategy is is how nz DF New Zealand Defense Force

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Speaker 15: can actually work collaboratively and co developed systems with New

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Speaker 15: Zealand tech companies. And you know, if tech companies are

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Speaker 15: just to try and do it themselves, they might potentially

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Speaker 15: miss the end user requirements. They might you know, they

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Speaker 15: might develop an amazing product that might not just be

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Speaker 15: suitable for the solution or to fill the problem gap

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Speaker 15: as well as you know. So so this this news

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Speaker 15: actually assists in nz DF directing the basically U Zealand

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Speaker 15: tech industry as to what the problems are, what can

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Speaker 15: ENZ tech industry solve and how to apply our products? Okay,

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Speaker 15: and and and by doing that that obviously creates a

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Speaker 15: you know, if tech companies such as SiZ and and

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Speaker 15: various other New Zealand tech companies, if we create an

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Speaker 15: amazing product that is a DF needs that's going to

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Speaker 15: be applicable for the huge export market as well. So

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Speaker 15: that's that's that's one thing. The second huge point is

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Speaker 15: ns a DF can can also conduct in and trials

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Speaker 15: and experimentation with New Zealand tech company products. Okay, so

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Speaker 15: that's going to be a huge boost to actually have

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Speaker 15: NZDF test in New Zealand products.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought with the current global situation with

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Speaker 2: everybody arming themselves up, business would have been going gang

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Speaker 2: busters for you anyway. So the question was did you

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Speaker 2: even need government funding or was there enough private capital

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Speaker 2: coming your way to keep going anyway?

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Speaker 15: So actually science is pretty much mostly grown from purely

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Speaker 15: organic growth through contract revenue with customers overseas. But what

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Speaker 15: we're what this announcement today will actually further boost our

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Speaker 15: growth because utilizing nzdf's ends user knowledge as well as

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Speaker 15: their test and evaluation, test and experimentation capability will allow

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Speaker 15: us to rapidly grow our products even faster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, giving you more products, new products that you can

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Speaker 2: then on cell as well. And that's all good for business.

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Speaker 2: And Sam Vibe from the Science Aerospects, thank you for

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Speaker 2: your time today. Thank you all right, it is now

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Speaker 2: fifteen after five, we have some new Taylor Swift for

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Speaker 2: you and you will hear it. Give me a couple

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Speaker 2: of minutes downloading up for you on michill be It

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Speaker 2: is eighteen after five. Time for a cultural moment, ladies

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Speaker 2: and gentlemen. Eighteen minutes ago, Taylor Swift released her new album,

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Speaker 2: her twelfth studio album, called The Life of a Showgirl,

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Speaker 2: and we got to hear some new music. And in fact,

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Speaker 2: this is the first track on the album, because that's

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Speaker 2: how far we've managed to get through listening to it

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Speaker 2: in the last eighteen minutes. And this is the fate

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Speaker 2: of Ophelia. Now on first hearing, that's a little bit

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Speaker 2: autotuned and very poppy and not country if it's if

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Speaker 2: I'm fair to say that, But what do I know?

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Speaker 2: What I do know is Aphelia. The famous Ophelia was

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Speaker 2: actually in Hamlet by William Shakespeare. And when Hamlet was

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Speaker 2: in his descent into badness and obsession with revenge and

875
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: all that, treated Ophelia very cruelly and famously, he told

876
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: her to get thee to a nunnery, which is a

877
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: famous line in literature. That was Aphelia. Meanwhile, l magazine

878
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 2: at that bastion of journalism is reporting that this album

879
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: is about Travis Kelcey saving Taylor Swift from a dissent

880
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 2: into heartbreaking insanity. So you see how this is linked

881
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: up with Ophelia and Hamlet and William Shakespeare. Oh my god,

882
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: maybe I might be thinking too much. Now if you

883
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: want to listen to this, but you don't want to

884
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: listen alone. There are listening parties happening all over the world,

885
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: and there's one happening at Real Groovy in Auckland and

886
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: Kayla Anthony from Real Groovy is m seeing the event

887
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: and joins me.

888
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: Now, Kayla, Hello, Hello, Hello.

889
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: Are we excited?

890
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 17: Very excited that Life of a Fate of Ophelia? That

891
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 17: was the first time I've heard anything because I'm saving

892
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 17: it for our listening party, So that got me very excited.

893
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Why are you excited? I mean, it's just a

894
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: very competent country and pop star releasing an album. Or

895
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: has she transcended just being a musician?

896
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think she definitely has.

897
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 17: I mean, if you've seen you know, the Eras tour

898
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 17: was the largest selling tour of all time, so she's

899
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 17: definitely just transcended that.

900
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 18: You know, normal pop star persona.

901
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: And of course the fans will be dissecting the album

902
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: with Scalpels to find out what it's really saying about

903
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 2: her private life and what her relationship with Travis Kelcey

904
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: is like, who she will be getting married to, which

905
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: is Jaylor knowses, doesn't it? And she puts in Easter

906
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: eggs and Christmas gifts for people so that they can

907
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 2: get in there and just have a good old gossip.

908
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 18: Oh yes, she puts Easter eggs and everything.

909
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 17: I think she had a Spotify pop up in New

910
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 17: York and there were Easter eggs everyone where.

911
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 18: She loves like fans like sifting through all of that stuff.

912
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: So you're having a listening party.

913
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 18: When does this Real Groovy?

914
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: When does it start?

915
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 18: It starts at six pm tonight and.

916
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: That's you just stick it on. Everyone gets into Real Groovy,

917
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: gets themselves some wine and cheese, and has a listener

918
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: and has a good old chin wa Is it right?

919
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: Yeah?

920
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 17: So we're gonna have some bedazzling arts and crafts going on,

921
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 17: and then we will have a raffle twenty copies of

922
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 17: the vinyl that we have currently.

923
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: How many people are coming along? How many people are

924
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: coming along.

925
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 18: Uh think the RSVP list is about sixty to seventy.

926
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Speaker 3: Very good.

927
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: Now, what do you say to Craig who sticks to

928
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: me as all her songs sound the boddy same?

929
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 17: I think that is bs to be honest, I think

930
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 17: every album sounds completely different and she doesn't sound the same.

931
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Speaker 2: Well, look, we're going to play more of the Life

932
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: of Ophelia, which has, as I've already said and I've

933
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: already analyzed, has long links to William Shakespeare. So if

934
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: you don't want to hear this, you can hang up

935
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: with me now and we'll play a little bit more

936
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: of this song, which is the only song we've got

937
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: off the album so far. But we'll get onto a

938
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: track two, and then track three, and then track four

939
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: as time goes by. Can I remind you that when

940
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: the anthology came out from Torture Poet Society, all thirty

941
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: one tracks ended out in that hot one hundred. That's

942
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: a lot of money.

943
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 5: You saved my heart from the fat of.

944
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

945
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: It's Andrew Dickens on Hither duplessy Eland Drive with one

946
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: New Zealand coverage like no one else use talks.

947
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: It'd be it's five twenty five. Heather's off to Queenstown.

948
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: She's back on Monday. You know, I was watching the

949
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 2: TV news last night, and sometimes when you're watching the news,

950
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: sometimes a phrase or sentence just jumps right out of

951
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: the screen and the speakers and it really grabs your

952
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: attention and you go, oh, actually, that's important. It's not

953
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: all the flower fly and flannel. Happened last night when

954
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: I suddenly heard Chris Hipkins saying quite forcefully to party

955
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: Mari appears to be a long way away from being

956
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: ready to have a role in government.

957
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 6: Wow.

958
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: Okay, that should be a wake up call to the

959
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 2: Malory Party and to Malory voters, in fact, all voters

960
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: in the country. And I'll tell you why. I've just

961
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: come back from an extensive tour of the South Island

962
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 2: enjoying the late season snow. Why are they all closing

963
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: this weekend? They've got more snow than they've had Anyway.

964
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: I've been talking to business owners and farmers in South

965
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: Islanders in general, and the common feeling I got from

966
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: everybody was a growing lack of confidence in the National

967
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: leg government, a feeling that the current government has the

968
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: right idea what to do, but they're doing it badly

969
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: or they've been doing it at the wrong time. And

970
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: their other big fear is that people affected by this

971
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: austerity light and this recessionary times that we've been in,

972
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, might vote in protest

973
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: for the other lot. And the other lot, of course labor,

974
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: the Greens and to Party Mary. And their fear, of

975
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 2: course is that maybe there might be a protest votes

976
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: and this people come in and there'll be taxes and

977
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: crazies from the Greens and to Party Mari, taking New

978
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: Zealand down an ideological cul de sac. So Hipkin's dismissal

979
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: of the Maori Party's attitudes should give them pouse to ponder,

980
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: because this party has never positioned themselves ever to be

981
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: on the treasury benches or have any real influence. In

982
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: my opinion, they stand for government while being dismissive of government.

983
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: They have no desire to change things or to shake

984
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: policy from a Mari perspective, to contribute to MMP, to

985
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: be part of a coalition. But they're sure as he'll

986
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: take the wages, weren't they. They're not like the Mari

987
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: Party of old, who partnered with National and gave us

988
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: Tejuananga and a whole heap more than nowhere near that anymore. So,

989
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: if there was a government protest vote for a left

990
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: wing what sort of government could Labor form? Well, obviously,

991
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: as Chris said last night, not one at the moment

992
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 2: with to party Mari, and only just one with the Greens,

993
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: who similarly hold a protests mentality, with no ounce of compromise.

994
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: And the best that Labor that could then hope for

995
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 2: will be a minority government without a caucus support from

996
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: a radical Maori party, which sounds tremendously unstable. So there

997
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: we have it, ladies and gener and that's what you

998
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 2: have in choices next year, the choice of a dithering

999
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: right block and an anarchic left block. Well, good luck

1000
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: on that one.

1001
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens five twenty.

1002
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: Seven more Taylor Swift is on the way. But with

1003
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: all the misery around the place it is, it's a Friday,

1004
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: it's time to talk about a roof on Stanley Street,

1005
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: a stadium I've been going to since I was a kid.

1006
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: It's never had a roof. It's always been either too

1007
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: hot or too wet. And this is great news, but

1008
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: this is the government actually putting some money in, actually

1009
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: investing all of a sudden, and then we've got the

1010
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: sports huddle as well. And what's this open light?

1011
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 4: Is this track two?

1012
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,479
Speaker 2: Now don't know it's on the album. The new Taylor

1013
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 2: Swift album came out twenty eight minutes ago and you're

1014
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: hearing it first on Newstalk's THEB.

1015
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1016
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. It's Andrew Dickens on

1017
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: Hither Dupless Ellen Drive with One New Zealand Tent of

1018
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: Power of Satellite Mobile news Talks, NBA, good.

1019
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: I, Well, ladies and gentlemen.

1020
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: In thirty six minutes, we've managed to play you three

1021
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift song from her new album, The Life of

1022
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 2: a show Girl. This is called Elizabeth Taylor. There are

1023
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 2: already reviews. The BBC says, getting straight to the point,

1024
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: it's a triumph. It's a combination of compelling songwriting and

1025
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: whip smart production that easily clears the high bar that

1026
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: Swift has set for herself. The Guardian, though, gives it

1027
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: two out of five stars. Oooh, it's an album that

1028
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: isn't terrible. Let's just nowhere as good as it should

1029
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: be given Swift's talents, and it leaves you wondering why.

1030
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: And bill Board says Swift's eagerly anticipated returned to bangers

1031
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: is not say, nineteen eighty nine Part two. Sorry, I

1032
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: don't even understand their sentence. I just read I do

1033
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine was well loved. Instead of coming back

1034
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: with party tracks, Swift has synthesized the commitment to Christine

1035
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: Hooks that she shares with Martin and Shellback. And I

1036
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: don't know, yeah, really a few people actually testing in

1037
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,479
Speaker 2: saying the Newstalks heb audience doesn't have a toss about

1038
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, but it is a big business story for

1039
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: those people. Can I just say that Ronnie Wood from

1040
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: The Rolling Stones and the Sun has said that the

1041
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: Rolling Stones have basically a completed album that is in

1042
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: the in the camp and really to be released early

1043
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, and they may indeed be going touring.

1044
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: And can I just say Eden Parker is waiting for you,

1045
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 2: the ladies and gentlemen of the Rolling Stones, and that

1046
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: is rock and roll. And if we've played a lot

1047
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: of new Rolling Stones tracks, you'd be a lot happier

1048
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: but there we go. It's twenty two to s Dickens.

1049
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 2: Eden Park wants a roof. Stanley Street is getting one

1050
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 2: where this soon won't be a worry for tennis fans

1051
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: in Auckland. The Stanley Street Tennis Arena, now sponsored by

1052
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: Manuka Honey, is finally going to get a roof. The

1053
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 2: government has now pledged five million dollars towards the fifteen

1054
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 2: million dollar project and it's hope the roof will be

1055
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: completed by twenty twenty seven. So the CEO of Tennis

1056
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: Auckland and the ASB Classic is Roan West, who joins me. Now,

1057
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 2: congratulations to you Ryan about time.

1058
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: What I Andrew?

1059
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 19: Thank you very much.

1060
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 9: Yes, there was a red letter day for the Manuka

1061
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 9: Doctor Arena and Tennis Aalkland certainly was a fantastic announcement.

1062
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: I apologize for getting the sponsor role Manuka Doctor who

1063
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 2: gave us the Manuka Honey et cetera. Okay, how much

1064
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 2: of a draw is a roof to elite players from

1065
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: around the world, Because the problem has been with the

1066
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: tournament that when it rains, it gets delayed and we

1067
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: end up having to extend a day, and with the

1068
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: Australia Open so close it's a bit tough.

1069
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 19: Yes, you're dead right.

1070
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 9: It is a real draw card for players now, especially

1071
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 9: when we're up against the lights of Brisbane and Adelaide,

1072
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 9: who have had rules on their center court arenas for

1073
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 9: a good number.

1074
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 19: Of years now.

1075
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 9: So if a player of a certain caliber, let's say

1076
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 9: top thirty, top twenty, who would be expecting to play

1077
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 9: on center court for all of their matches of a tournament,

1078
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 9: if they have the option of going to a venue

1079
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 9: which is.

1080
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 19: Fully covered versus ourselves which isn't.

1081
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 9: And we have to admit the players know that Auckland

1082
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 9: has inclement weather in early summer. It's not till late

1083
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 9: in summer that it really settles down here in England,

1084
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 9: so they know that, so that is a decision maker

1085
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 9: for some players. What we do, and have done for

1086
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 9: decades now is create an environment where the players want

1087
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 9: to come.

1088
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 19: We have full crowds, full arenas from the.

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Speaker 9: First serve of the first match of the first day

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Speaker 9: right through the entire tournament, and we really enveloped them

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00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 9: in the sort of monarchitangua and hospitality that Keywis are

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00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 9: renowned for now.

1093
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 2: The other thing about the stadium is that it was

1094
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 2: risking losing tenaments because the court just wasn't big enough.

1095
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: So as I understand it, are you moving the stadium

1096
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 2: that's near the domain, you're actually moving that back a

1097
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 2: bit so you get more caught.

1098
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 6: Yes.

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00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 19: Absolutely.

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00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 9: We started the first phase of this part of the

1101
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 9: redevelopment project about four months ago where we demolished the

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00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 9: Robinson stand at the southern end and we have just

1103
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 9: recently started the extension of the court so the court

1104
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 9: surface will increase by four meters. That is to make

1105
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 9: sure that we adhere to the new international standards of

1106
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 9: court length. As most of your tennis fans and listeners

1107
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 9: would know, the game has become so much more powerful

1108
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 9: in the last few years. You've got players in the

1109
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 9: men's side, especially six five, six sixty seven, booming down

1110
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 9: massive serves and players are really playing a lot deeper

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00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 9: in the matches, especially receiveing serves. So we needed to

1112
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 9: basically extend the court to stay within regulations.

1113
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: So you're going to have to lay a new court,

1114
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: is that right? And of course the problem with that

1115
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: is that it may change the speed of it. And

1116
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: one thing about the Auckland court, it's the same speed

1117
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: as the Aussie Open. Will it'll still be the same

1118
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: speed as the Aussie Open.

1119
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 19: Absolutely.

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Speaker 9: All we're doing we're going to be replicating the subsurface

1121
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 9: that's already in place, and the top coats of the

1122
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,959
Speaker 9: paint have to be the same as the Aussie Open,

1123
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 9: so we will not be changing that.

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00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 19: We are committed to having the same playing surface as Melbourne.

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00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 2: Twoko questions the roof. I understand it will be translucent,

1126
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,479
Speaker 2: so that means some might get through, So we won't

1127
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: be playing under lights in the middle of the day.

1128
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 6: Should not know.

1129
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 9: Probably the lights will come on a little bit earlier

1130
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 9: than currently, but yes, through the height of a sunny day.

1131
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 19: We won't need lights on the center court.

1132
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: And we've got five million from the government. All up

1133
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: now seven point one million has been raised, but you

1134
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: need fifteen so I guess you're rattling the camp.

1135
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 9: Yes, in the next few weeks and a couple of months,

1136
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 9: we expect to have another two to two and a

1137
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 9: half million in our side of the kidding, so that'll

1138
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 9: get us very very close to nine nine and a half.

1139
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 9: And we've been discussing with a council for a number

1140
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 9: of months. Some other options for council support. So we're

1141
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 9: just in those processes and we're a reasonably confident that

1142
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 9: we'll get to that starting point reasonably soon.

1143
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 3: Good Luck.

1144
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: Can't wait for this year's tournament. Can't wait for the

1145
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: roof and con graduate asients. Rome West, who is the

1146
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: CEO of Tennis Auckland and the ASB Classic.

1147
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,959
Speaker 1: Friday Sports huddled with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find

1148
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: your one of a kind.

1149
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 13: And the Army's huffed and puffed, but they can't quite

1150
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 13: blow the fortress down.

1151
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,959
Speaker 17: At Eden Park, the bladders lope puff in all black

1152
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 17: tens for another year and.

1153
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 10: Caitlin, Oh Colo, you'll kick it out?

1154
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 4: Was the crime?

1155
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 20: It was crit it was a termination from this.

1156
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 3: Platforms signed light. The access is behind the.

1157
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 7: Stumpstairs one hundred seven Robinson, You beauty.

1158
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 3: You beauty.

1159
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: Oh It's Friday is home for the Sports Huddle, And

1160
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: on the Sports Huddle today we've got Jim Kaye sports

1161
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: journalists and Hangers MacKaye from Gold Sports rugby commentator and

1162
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: also working on the country at the moment, gentlemen, good

1163
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: evening to you evening, hey, miss how good is the

1164
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: roof on Stanley Street.

1165
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 21: Oh, I think that's just fantastic. Let's I love your

1166
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 21: rattle that can really loud. Let's get it done. The

1167
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 21: number of times I've sort of managed to sort of

1168
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 21: jam me in on a session at the tennis and

1169
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 21: it's rained and it's poured and they've got the towels

1170
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 21: out and here, this is just just just the best thing,

1171
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 21: you know. And increasing the size of the court. I mean,

1172
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 21: we get good names there always. I think we do

1173
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 21: pretty punch above our weight, but even will even be

1174
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 21: better for that now?

1175
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And to Jim, I actually I have been

1176
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: to Stanley Street when it was grass. You know, this

1177
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: is how long I've been going there, and this has

1178
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: been how long I've been waiting for a decent stadium

1179
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: at this place to be filled.

1180
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 4: Careful, careful, careful. It isn't it amazing that they have

1181
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 4: to make it bigger. It just shows the power of

1182
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 4: the athlete. The technology and the rackets and the balls

1183
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 4: and the surfaces and all of those salts things that

1184
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 4: they're adding another what is another four meetings that's quite

1185
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 4: phenomenal and very sensible and logical. And when you watch

1186
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 4: the players as as your guest and the interview said,

1187
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 4: you can see how far the boars go. But yeah,

1188
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 4: that I found that amazing.

1189
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: You know, you know, how we could have solved all

1190
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: of that is prevented the tech, the tech that's gone

1191
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: into tennis records. For instance, back in nineteen ninety one

1192
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 2: hours at Monte Carlo and I actually watched beyond Borg

1193
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: try a comeback. He had a wooden racket. Everybody else

1194
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: had the modern records. He didn't have the power. If

1195
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: we get them wooden gym, then we wouldn't have to

1196
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: extend the course.

1197
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I don't think you seriously believe that, but

1198
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 4: you know, I think the technology that's coming to most

1199
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 4: sports has been really really good, and I like it.

1200
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 4: I think the game is fantastic to watch.

1201
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 2: Heymus, Are we going to get cricket tonight?

1202
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 21: No, I think something's out, isn't it. I think it's

1203
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 21: it's done, and course, of course quite.

1204
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 4: I love in tar and I could tell you what's.

1205
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 21: Happening coming with them.

1206
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 4: Pouring with rain. It is very very persistent.

1207
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 6: You know.

1208
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you'd be very long odds to have a ball

1209
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 4: bowl tonight.

1210
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: Do you know when I heard that they were going

1211
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: to try and play tea twenties in October and do

1212
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: three tours of international teams before December. I said this

1213
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 2: would happen, and it would happen. Was this a bad call?

1214
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: And I know it's because of the World Cup, and

1215
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: I know teams can't come in January, but this is

1216
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 2: bad for cricket, isn't it? Hamish?

1217
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 6: Uh? You know?

1218
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 21: I mean I sat down and watched for the first

1219
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 21: time the other night in a long time, like a

1220
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 21: long time, and maybe they had something to do with

1221
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 21: where the channel was and the positioning of it. But

1222
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 21: I think, you know, I think we've just got to

1223
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 21: be every opportunity. Yeah, look, you damned if you do

1224
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 21: an you're damn if you don't. I think we've got

1225
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 21: to be playing the game regularly and let the Tim

1226
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 21: Robinsons of this world come through, because we saw that

1227
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 21: with our Blackburn and rugby team seriously underdone. Now, they

1228
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 21: were never going to beat England, make no mistake about that,

1229
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 21: but they should have done better and they don't and

1230
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 21: they're underdone. So I guess we try and get as

1231
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 21: much competition at all levels and all sports as we can.

1232
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: And Jim mind the mention of Tim Robinson. Look at

1233
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 2: this look at this talent. We already said we had

1234
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: a deep talent pool. And then a guy who comes

1235
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: out that I didn't really know about goes and knocks

1236
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: our one hundred against Australia. We have a good team

1237
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: right now, Oh we do.

1238
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 4: And what a great backstory was it meant to be

1239
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 4: in the team? I think it was crutching? Was it

1240
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 4: the Hamish over the weekend?

1241
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: A's the country guy as the country guy and.

1242
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 4: Then our amos has seed a few sheep on the time.

1243
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 4: Don't worry about that. He knows the right into the

1244
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 4: clippers and then he comes into the team and he

1245
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 4: knocks over a hundred. Fantastic. So yeah, we've got some

1246
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 4: good depth. There's some young guys coming through. I've got

1247
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 4: a nephew keep telling me that one of his old

1248
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 4: schoolmates of the team and he's young. So you know,

1249
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 4: it's a good look. And I agree with Hamosh that

1250
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 4: need to get games and look at rains and January

1251
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 4: as much as the rains on October and New Zealand.

1252
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Jim from talonga our weather man in Hamish,

1253
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: McKay from the country, our rural correspondent, are talking sport.

1254
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: There's a couple of sports are definitely going to happen

1255
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: and they're big. And there after the break we've got

1256
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 2: the All Blacks Versus Australia and Perth got the NR

1257
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: Grand Final. That's next on News Talk SEB.

1258
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports title with New Zealand South of East

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1260
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Speaker 2: All right, take three from Russell says, what does the

1261
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 2: tennis tournament do for New Zealand Tennis? I as a ratepayer,

1262
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: object to council or government putting in any monies. But Russell, look,

1263
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 2: it is actually a venue. And when South Australia put

1264
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: a roof on their venue, they were inundated with requests

1265
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: for people wanting to host count concerts there, wanting to

1266
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: do beach volleyball there, wanting to do dance parties there,

1267
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: wanting to do rallies there, all sorts of things. It's

1268
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: another facility for Auckland and it's got a roof.

1269
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 3: So there we go.

1270
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: Now we're on the huddle. Jim Kays and Hamish Makay

1271
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 2: is with us. I'm going to go with Hamish first

1272
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 2: because he is a rugby commentator. No offense Jim, but

1273
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: there's quite a game on in Perth where the all

1274
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 2: backs are searching for consistency and yet due to injuries

1275
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: and also Scott Robinson's you know want we're not going

1276
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 2: to consistent side Hamish.

1277
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 21: No, and look one of the issues here is can

1278
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 21: we do too in a row. That's the consistency we're

1279
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 21: talking about here. But he has thrown a bit of

1280
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 21: you know, he's said a few No. I don't like

1281
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 21: the way they do messages nowadays. Like the rhetoric is

1282
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 21: for me Billy Proctor and for me Wallace a titi,

1283
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 21: you dropped right, you drop you actually dropped from the

1284
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 21: starting fifteen. Now, nothing would make me hungrier to get

1285
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 21: back in the starting fifteen than being dropped. But they

1286
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 21: are no, no, no, it's you know, like we're just

1287
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 21: rotating and we're giving Billy's bodies pretty bashed up and

1288
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 21: we're just doing this. I hate that kind of language.

1289
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 21: I'd like to see some more fear put back into

1290
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 21: the players and that might be give us that edge

1291
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 21: that we need. You were a young team going out

1292
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 21: against an Aussie team that has improved, will be improved

1293
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 21: markedly by Valentini and Skelton they'll make a huge difference.

1294
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 21: Jake Gordon, half back. Well admit at first five a

1295
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 21: we don't make anything in the news Hieland media last

1296
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 21: week of old or Bucker. Luck's the old fellow at

1297
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 21: first five eight for the Wallabies missing touch three times

1298
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 21: from penalties. That is a disgrace and the game possibly,

1299
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 21: in fact almost certainly changes based on what he couldn't

1300
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 21: do there. I was stunned by that, but so yeah,

1301
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 21: we've got a hell of a job in front of us.

1302
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, Jim, consistency. And I said this

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Speaker 2: to Piney before. We've got Lester faire Nuku who's playing

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Speaker 2: at wing, who's spent the last two years and two

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Speaker 2: on playing at center. We've got Quentin to Pia who's

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Speaker 2: playing its center but he normally plays it at second five.

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Speaker 2: And we've got rico Ohani, who the last few years

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Speaker 2: has been playing at center playing at wing. So what's

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Speaker 2: that about. That's not consistent and we're not putting people

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Speaker 2: in their strongest positions.

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Speaker 4: No, well, ricco is on the bench, but I still look,

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Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying, but I don't mind this team.

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Speaker 4: I like quint to pie I think he's played really,

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Speaker 4: really well in his little cameos off the bench. I

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Speaker 4: don't mind him at center. He's probably big enough to

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Speaker 4: cope with that. And I like the fact that Peter

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Speaker 4: Archie's going to get a run at number eight. I

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Speaker 4: think Wallace has been treading water a little bit, to

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Speaker 4: be honest. So yeah, the changes they've made on form.

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Speaker 4: I agree with Hamish that the two guys have been jobbed,

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Speaker 4: Billy Potter and Wallas City. I like it whether they

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Speaker 4: can be consistent, whether they can back up a performance.

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Speaker 4: They're the stall, the really big unknowing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and poor al Fabian Holland who was so good

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01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 2: last weekend now not there, but there we have it

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Speaker 2: in our real final, Storm versus Broncos. Hamish, Yeah, look, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Going to go storm.

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Speaker 21: I've got all those players in the back line with

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Speaker 21: the he doos that look like they should be cocktail waiters.

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Speaker 21: I don't know, and yet they and yet they worked

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Speaker 21: some magic. I just think up to the job. I

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Speaker 21: just think they've got the might be one too early

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Speaker 21: for a Broncos site, Yeah, yeah, quite quite interesting that

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Speaker 21: these two have finished up in the final. I didn't

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Speaker 21: see that happening, but then again, given their heritage, is

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Speaker 21: no surprise.

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Speaker 3: I'll go Storm, Okay and Jim, yes, Storm.

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Speaker 2: I mean you know they they lost in the Grand

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Speaker 2: Final last year. I mean they've been winning, winning, winning,

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Speaker 2: They've got a winning mentality, but they weren't winning, winning

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Speaker 2: winning this season.

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Speaker 4: No, And I love the way the Broncos came back

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01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 4: against Penrithla week and one on that second half. So

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01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 4: just to go one up against me, old mate, hamershold,

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01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 4: I'll back the Broncos. Ryese Walsh in a bit of

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01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 4: sparkling form, so let's see what he can do there.

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Speaker 4: But it should be it should be one hic of

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01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 4: a game. And the Ausies do it well, don't they.

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01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 4: They have concerts before the game, they make it look

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01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 4: good and all that sort of stuff, So uh, it'll be.

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01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 4: It'll be a fantastic who lights in a row they

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01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 4: We're going to have to start a bit late, hammer

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01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 4: shall I I know, I know.

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Speaker 3: But I thank you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Mish McKay and Jim Kays. Get back to bed,

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Speaker 2: sleep up and get ready.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZIBBI.

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Speaker 2: This will zip big hospitality is being dropped as an

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Speaker 2: nce A Level one subject, but hospitality says that is

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01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 2: short sighted and I agree. We'll talk to hospitality right

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Speaker 2: after the News and Sport Barry Soapa wrapping the political

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01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 2: week and why are we losing companies to buyouts in

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01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: the z X and shrinking. It's all to come next

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Speaker 2: hour here on News Talk Zibby.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Insight The Business Hour with Andrew Dickens

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Speaker 1: and Mass for Insurance Investments and Kili Saber. You're in

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Speaker 1: good hands News Talk sab.

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Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 2: Good evening to you. It is now seven minutes after six.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Dickens and the Heather who's back on Monday.

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Speaker 2: On the way we will between the Barry Sofa wrapping

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Speaker 2: the political week, we'll be looking at show business. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk to Oliver Amanda. Because the New Zealand X, the

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Speaker 2: ins and X keeps losing companies overseas to bias, it

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Speaker 2: means there's less companies for us to invest in. But

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Speaker 2: first let's talk education. In the hospital sector is worried

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Speaker 2: that the new NCEA curriculum will make staffing shortages worse.

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Speaker 2: So the Hospitality New Zealand has written to Education Minister

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Speaker 2: Erica Stamford and asked her to reinstate hospitality as a

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Speaker 2: year eleven subjects for form if you will. Under the

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Speaker 2: new plans, students can only study hospitality in years twelve

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01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 2: and thirteen. But the industry is now worried that that

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01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: might make the subject less attractive and people won't go

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01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,479
Speaker 2: into twelve and thirteen if they haven't had a taste

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Speaker 2: of it at eleven. Sam McKinnon from Hospitality in New Zealand's.

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Speaker 3: With me right now?

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Speaker 2: Hello, Sam, got it?

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Speaker 9: Andrew, So I.

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Speaker 2: Agree, hospitality great, great, great thing for kids to get

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Speaker 2: into a fantastic career. But what difference really does one

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Speaker 2: year make if the subject is still there in year

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Speaker 2: twelve and thirteen?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean, I guess from an outside looking in perspective,

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01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,879
Speaker 22: maybe there's not a sense that that has any difference,

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Speaker 22: But I guess from our view, we want it to

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01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 22: be considered as a full coherent subject and being able

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01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 22: to take a level one or year eleven all the

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01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 22: way through to year thirteen really signals to students that

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Speaker 22: there's a key pathway through secondary school taking hospitality courses.

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01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 2: Okay, so what do hospitality students learn in year eleven

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01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: that they'll then miss out on if it's taken away

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01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 2: and they come in year twelve and thirteen.

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01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 22: Yeah, so year eleven is teaching the key technical skills

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01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 22: that I guess students can take forward into careers in hospitals.

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01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 22: So you're looking at foundational food prep around veggies and

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01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 22: how to bake scones and those sorts of things, kitchen terminology,

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01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 22: understanding food hygiene, so there's a whole series of things

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01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 22: that they sort of can pick up in that.

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Speaker 6: Year.

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Speaker 22: We understand that that hospital courses will be split across

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01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 22: various courses and other departments, and so some elements from

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Speaker 22: that year eleven course might be brought into other areas,

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01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 22: but there's no real clarity on what that actually looks like.

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01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,799
Speaker 22: And again it's not signaling that there's a coherent subject

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 22: for hospitality that you can take all the way through.

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Speaker 2: And you warn that not having the kids coming in

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01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 2: in year eleven might decrease the number of people who

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Speaker 2: study hospitality, and you will warning that there will be

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Speaker 2: staff shortages. So what are these staffing shortages that you're

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01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: expecting over the next five to ten years.

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01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,759
Speaker 22: Yeah, Well, the data that we've got forecasts and eight percent.

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Speaker 22: I guess gap and staffing possibilities for hospitality over the

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Speaker 22: next period, and I guess the way that we see

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01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 22: it is that there's a disconnect between across education. So

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01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 22: we're being asked into the tourism roadmap piece of work

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Speaker 22: that the governments are running to increase kiwi's the number

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01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 22: of keyis and tourism and hospitality roles. But the start

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01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 22: of that talent pipeline is being undermined and disrupted. So

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Speaker 22: if we're hopeful to have more keywis and kiwis and

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Speaker 22: tourism and hospitality roles, and we will have challenges getting

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Speaker 22: migrant staff into those areas, We're going to have skill

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Speaker 22: shortages in the future. But how can we make sure

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01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 22: that we can get the kids of today into careers

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Speaker 22: and hospo so that they can help us fill some

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Speaker 22: of those gaps.

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Speaker 2: And the whole thing about for Erica Stamford's changes was

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01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 2: actually to make education tailored to what the jobs are

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01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 2: more closely than the current NCAA offers with it's just

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01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 2: millunge of subjects. And here's thething. Hospitality work is often

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01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 2: a first job for school leaders who are not intending

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01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 2: to go on to tertiary education and then of course

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01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 2: there's a huge career path that goes on after that.

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Speaker 2: So this might affect that. Might it might stop them

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01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 2: coming out of school at going into hospitality and then

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01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 2: going into hotel management for instance, and then learning business skills,

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01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 2: et cetera.

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01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 22: Yeah, exactly, exactly. There's a whole range of career paths

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01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 22: that you can take within hospitality, and you don't necessarily

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01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 22: need a qualification to work your way into owning your

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01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 22: own venue or senior management within a hospitality group or

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01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 22: a hotel chain. And so for us, I guess this

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01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 22: is often the first touch point at year eleven that

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01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 22: someone might have with the hospitality sector. They might discover

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Speaker 22: that they've got a real passion for it, but it's

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01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 22: not something that they've previously considered. Yeah, we've got some

1457
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 22: concerns about what the flow on effect may be.

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Speaker 2: So might say, though, it's your staffing shortage, so it's

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01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: your problem. So does the industry have to shoulder more

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01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 2: of the work to lure students into hospitality as a

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Speaker 2: career path.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, certainly. I mean we're aware that there's a perception

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Speaker 22: issue around around the careers and hospitality, and I guess

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01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 22: the opportunities that that hospitality presents. I guess the challenge.

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Speaker 22: The challenge back to the government is that we're being

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Speaker 22: tasked with trying to get more keys into these roles.

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Speaker 22: We can do our bit around communicating what the career

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Speaker 22: paths are, but we need to make sure that we've

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Speaker 22: actually got some help in terms of the way that

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Speaker 22: the curriculum functions to be able to bring those students through.

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Speaker 22: There's some talk around industry lead courses and those sorts

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Speaker 22: of things, but we don't have any clarity of what

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01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 22: that looks like under the new system. So this is

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Speaker 22: part of why we wanted hospitality at year eleven reinstated.

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Speaker 2: So you've written to Rika stan for asking for that.

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01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 2: Have you had any indication that she is going to reply?

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01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: Have you had any backdoor communications? Have you heard anything.

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01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 22: I've been in touch with the Ministry of Education team

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Speaker 22: and so we're having a discussion with them around what

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01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 22: this looks like and ones next steps.

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Speaker 2: Very good and I wish you are the very best

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01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 2: of luck. That is Sam McKinnon and he's from hospitality

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01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 2: in New Zealand and he has a tale about hospitality.

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01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: I was at the Rugby the other weekend and I

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01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: was sitting beside a guy who is the CEO of

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Speaker 2: a major hotel in Auckland. He had started in hospitality

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01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 2: from barista to cafe work, et cetera, then went on

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Speaker 2: into hotel work, then traveled the world learning the business

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Speaker 2: of hotels, then sent back to New Zealand because he

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01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 2: was Australian, sent back to New Zealand to help build

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Speaker 2: a hotel. So he got into construction, spent two years

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01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 2: building the hotel. Once the hotel was open, he now manages.

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Speaker 2: He is the CEO of that hotel. So that's major

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01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 2: business skills and that all came from learning how to

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01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: be a hospitality worker right from the very beginning. He

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01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: has no tertiary education. He's at the top of his field.

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Speaker 2: It is a great career path. And if you go

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01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 2: to a job's expo at any time, you'll sit there

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01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 2: and see the hospitality people sitting there with nobody in

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01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 2: front of them. Nobody in front of them because everyone

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01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: goes I don't want to be a barista when I

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01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 2: grow up. I want to be a planngur. Watching this

1503
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 2: is when I grow up. But they don't realize just

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01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 2: how much career is there in hospitality? It's good stuff.

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01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 2: At six fourteen, Barry Sober reviews the week.

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01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: Next it's the Heather Duper See Allan Drive Full Show

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01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: podcast on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk Zippi.

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01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: News Talks. Heb Lance says, Andrew, did that CEO get

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01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 2: to the top by learning to be a barista or

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01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 2: by having a great work ethic? Well, Lanser, you already

1511
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 2: know the answer to that. We all know the answer

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01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 2: to that. The work ethic is number one no matter

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01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 2: what career you embark on. Seventeen minutes after second look,

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Speaker 2: who's back to review the week of politics? Arry Soaper,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 12: Good afternoon again, Andrew So New.

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Speaker 2: Zealand will not be recognizing Palestine yet. No, but that

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean we won't do it in the future when

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Speaker 2: certain circumstances.

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Speaker 12: All right, we will most certainly do it. The point

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Speaker 12: that Winston Peter's made in the speech was it's not

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Speaker 12: a matter of if, it's a matter of when. And

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Speaker 12: we know the what, what the what they expect from

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Speaker 12: Harmas in particular to lay down its arms. It's a

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Speaker 12: terrorist organization. But look, I can't see for the life

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Speaker 12: of me any agreement from the meeting that Ntano had

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Speaker 12: with his best bro Donald Trump this week, because you

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Speaker 12: know to expect and I'm not speaking on behalf of Harmas.

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Speaker 12: I think they are an appalling group of people or organization,

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Speaker 12: but they're not going to lay down the arms when

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Speaker 12: they see that the rule the rulers of Palestine will

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Speaker 12: be in the short term at least. Tony Blear, that's fine,

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Speaker 12: But then Tony Blear, don't forget he took Britain into

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Speaker 12: the Iraq War and there's still a lot of people

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Speaker 12: remember that, Tony Blear. That's one. Then you've got Benjamin

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Speaker 12: nittn Yahoo, the man that destroyed the country, sitting now

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Speaker 12: as a ruler of the country, along with Donald Trump

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Speaker 12: as the.

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Speaker 2: Cheer No Hamas in the conversation, and so why would

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Speaker 2: they actually agree? They say that Hamas and Katar the

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Speaker 2: political wing go yeah, that's okay, But there's still some

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Speaker 2: military dudes left who are going, why would we do

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Speaker 2: this the people? You've given it all to one side

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Speaker 2: and not to us. Well, can I just note? Can

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Speaker 2: I just note that all these states, one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty seven of them that actually went to say, well,

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Speaker 2: let's go for a Palestinian state. It doesn't seem to

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Speaker 2: have influenced the negotiations whatsoever, not in.

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Speaker 12: The slightest And you know, when you look at just

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Speaker 12: not what a couple of months ago Putin standing on

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Speaker 12: the stage with Donald Trump and them saying, you know,

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Speaker 12: there will be a resolution to the Ukraine, the Ukraine situation.

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Speaker 12: Of course, that didn't happen. And I said it wouldn't

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Speaker 12: happen at the time, and I'm sure, well not sure

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Speaker 12: because as sorry, Turkey is leaning on Hamas to do

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Speaker 12: something with this deal that's been drawn up by Trump

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Speaker 12: and his crony, and everybody would hope that they would

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Speaker 12: lay down the arms and they would return the hostages.

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Speaker 12: But I can't, for the life of me, see.

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Speaker 6: Them doing it.

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Speaker 2: What I found amazing also is that Donald Trump learnt

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Speaker 2: with the Ukraine when he did a deal with Putin

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Speaker 2: but didn't involve Zelenski. But that doesn't work for Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: And then he's gone and done exactly the same thing

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Speaker 2: a month later, which I find strange.

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Speaker 12: Mind you, he solved seven wars. Now this is the biggest,

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Speaker 12: This would be the biggest resolution of a dispute in civilization.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he told us. Okay, anyway, a dispute between Donald Jr.

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Speaker 2: And Tiffany does not count. Now now we have new

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Speaker 2: earthquake rules for New Zealand buildings. And can I just

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Speaker 2: say in ponto me there's the Lee's Institute, which has

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Speaker 2: been close forever. It's a library, it's an old building.

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Speaker 2: It's not up to earthquake standards. There hasn't been an

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Speaker 2: earthquake in Auckland since rung A Toto exploded. Let's open

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Speaker 2: that library. This is a good thing, Yes, it is

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Speaker 2: a good thing.

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Speaker 12: The only people I feel really sorry for are those

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Speaker 12: who have gone out complied by what our overarching rules

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Speaker 12: for the whole of the country, which is plainly ridiculous

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Speaker 12: because Northland Auckland taken totally out of the equation on

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Speaker 12: with the Chatham Islands. Well, I've been to the Chatham

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01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 12: Islands and they don't have any high rises there, so

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Speaker 12: they should never have been part of it anyway. But

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Speaker 12: you know, I think for the people that put their

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Speaker 12: buildings or spent a lot of money putting their buildings right,

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Speaker 12: will now be a bit hosed off, but nevertheless their

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Speaker 12: buildings will be strong enough to resist anything. And I

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Speaker 12: think this is a big step forward. I think it's

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Speaker 12: a great move.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, so do I. But those people who have

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Speaker 2: spent money, you now have an even better building than

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Speaker 2: everybody else. I hope that you actually realize all that

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Speaker 2: money in capital gains as we go forward.

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Speaker 12: Yes.

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Speaker 2: So then we go trouble of the Maori Party. Of course,

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01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 2: they are apparently dictatorial and they're having revolt with them

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Speaker 2: and they claim that there's a reset coming up next week.

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Speaker 12: Well it's interesting, isn't it, Because next week, of course

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Speaker 12: areny Kaiperat She gets sworn in as the new Toommackee

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Speaker 12: Macoldo MP, and that's what they should be celebrating, but

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01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 12: instead naval gazing looking at problems within their own party

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01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 12: and the breakaway from the head of the Hikuoi. And

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01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 12: that was a very successful Hikuoi on Parliament. I was

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01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,799
Speaker 12: there and it was very peaceful. It was a credit

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Speaker 12: to the organizers. And the organizer, of course, was the

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01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 12: son of one of the current MPs who's now broken

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Speaker 12: away from the party. Used to be the vice president

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Speaker 12: of the Malori Party. He's a very articulate young man.

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01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 12: He's broken away. He doesn't agree with the way the

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Speaker 12: Maori Party is headed, says the leadership is dictatorial. Well,

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Speaker 12: you know, I mean that's pretty hard language for a

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Speaker 12: party that would hope, I would think to be in

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Speaker 12: cabinet after the next election and coalition with Labor.

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Speaker 2: And then Hipkins comes out and says it doesn't look

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Speaker 2: like they want to be in government, which means that

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Speaker 2: that's not good for the left block either. That means

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Speaker 2: you might have a Labor Greens coalition, but then you

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01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: do only have the Maori Party as support, yes, and

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01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 2: that's that's a very dodgy thing. And so if you've

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Speaker 2: decided to vote against National and that's the other lot,

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Speaker 2: I mean, well it's not choice. It was enough to

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Speaker 2: put you off voting entirely. Yeah, Electricity reforms, they got

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Speaker 2: a report. They ignored almost all of it.

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Speaker 3: Well they ignored this much of it.

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Speaker 12: And I'll tell you it's Shane Jones. Was He deafened

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Speaker 12: me by his silence. And I know exactly the game

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Speaker 12: he's playing, because you will remember that he stood on

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Speaker 12: the stage with Sinda Dern and the Energy Minister Meghan

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01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 12: Wood when they canceled expiration for oil and gas with

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Speaker 12: his head in his hand. He didn't want to be

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Speaker 12: seen to be doing that again. So he clearly felt

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Speaker 12: that these reforms didn't go far enough, and indeed, in

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Speaker 12: his view, he's written a twenty page report for his leader,

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Speaker 12: Winston Peters, and that'll be an election issue next year

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Speaker 12: for the New Zealand First Party.

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Speaker 2: The report says, don't do an LNG import plant, and

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01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 2: they come out and say, well, we're going to do

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01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 2: an LNG import plant. I just never got that at or. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: Christopher Luckson the continuing saga about his leadership and his

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01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 2: thoughts there.

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Speaker 12: Well, if I do I make about Christopher Luxon, is

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01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 12: that people tend I think to forget this man is

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01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 12: actually a fairly much a rookie prime minister. I mean,

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01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 12: he's only been in Parliament four years, for goodness sake.

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Speaker 12: And the thing is the man came from a job

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01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,560
Speaker 12: that paid several million dollars a year to one that

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01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 12: pays just about half a million a year. So he

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01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 12: didn't do it for the good of himself. He did

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01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 12: it because he believed that he could do better for

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01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 12: the country and I think he's got to be given

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01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 12: credit for that. And they've been through one hell of

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01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 12: a time in the past couple of years. So next

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01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 12: year they will be hoping that we will have turned

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01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 12: the economic corner, and I believe we probably will have.

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Speaker 2: And my left leading friends are gonna hate me for

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01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 2: saying this, but to be brutally honest, Krystal Luxon is

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01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 2: getting better.

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Speaker 12: Yes, he is exactly.

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Speaker 2: Got to go, Marri Stober, have a great weekend.

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01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 3: Now I was talking to you, Andrew.

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01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 2: It is now six twenty five. Show business is next.

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01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's here Dickens

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01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 1: with the Business Hour, and Mas for insurance convestments and

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01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: Kuie Saber. You're in good hands news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be.

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Speaker 19: All right.

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01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: There's no business like show business.

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Speaker 2: That's indeed right. And I've got some show business news

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01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 2: here which does not involve Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 3: So stay with me.

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Speaker 2: In fact, if you're the same age as me, you'll

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Speaker 2: know this well. Over the Archie comic books, Yeah, that

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01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 2: was a big deal when I was young. It was

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01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 2: the Archie comic books, and there was Uncle Scrooge obviously,

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01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 2: and Donald Duck, and there was Superman and Batman. The

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01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 2: Archie comics with the nerdy wed Heead and of course

1677
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,719
Speaker 2: the girls, the black head Veronica and the blonde bombshell

1678
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 2: Betty was all very chaste. You would Archie ever get

1679
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 2: off with Veronica or Betty? That never happened anyway. It

1680
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 2: was a big thing for people of my age, for

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01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 2: people of another age. They turned it into a teen

1682
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: drama on the Telly called Riverdale, which starred New Zealand

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01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 2: the kJ Upper as the Archie. So they had Archie,

1684
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 2: they had the game. They were solving murders, investigating cults,

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01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: all that sort of thing. It got it kind of

1686
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 2: bad and jumped the shark and they all went to

1687
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 2: an alternate universe and they got magical powers. And then

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01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 2: the show was canceled in twenty twenty three, no kidding,

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01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: but it might be coming back from the dead. And

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Speaker 2: I mean this quite literally, because one of the original

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01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 2: producers of the Riverdale show has just got a reboot

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01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 2: green lit. The twist of Riverdale with Archie is this

1693
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 2: time arch she will be trying to find love during

1694
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 2: a zombie apocalypse. It's called Archiem The Afterlife. All the

1695
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 2: characters you know and love are trying to survive an

1696
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 2: apocalyptic version of Riverdale. Of course, they're wandering around avoiding

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01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 2: being bitten. Actually, most of the Archie fans aren't happy

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01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: about it all.

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Speaker 3: Riverdale was trash.

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Speaker 13: Why would you bring the same creator to work on

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01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 13: a new Archie show. It's like you're asking for your

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01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 13: show to flop.

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01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, going, And the question is will Qui actor kJ

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01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 2: Appa return to play Archie. You know, I had to

1705
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 2: explain the Archi cartoons to most of the newsroom today

1706
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 2: because they had no idea. They thought Riverdale was original

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01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 2: and didn't know that we used to read these little

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01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 2: paper cat tunes with Archie and Veronica and Betty.

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Speaker 23: I like Veronica myself, whether it's Macro micro or just

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01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 23: playing economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickins and

1712
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 1: for Insurance Investments and the Kiwi Safer and You're in

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01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: good hands.

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Speaker 6: News talk sippy.

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01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,600
Speaker 8: As they will lineo.

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01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 3: Sever I still see the style is not so.

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01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 2: So welcome back, Miles has written, I'm with you. Veronica

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Speaker 2: was hot. All right, Let's get into some business. And

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Speaker 2: in business news, the NZX had a pretty rough week.

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01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 2: Carpet maker Bremworth anounced to takeover deal with its direct

1721
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 2: competitor Godfrey Hurst and the remaining shares in KFC owner

1722
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 2: restaurant brands were brought out by their majority stakeholder. All

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01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 2: these stakes going overseas. Both of these deals seen as

1724
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 2: a massive bargain and it is continuing a trend of

1725
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,600
Speaker 2: Kiwi businesses being gobbled up by overseas companies and that

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Speaker 2: effects the number of companies that are listed on the NZNX.

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Speaker 2: Oliver Amanda is the CEO of the New Zealand Shareholders

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Speaker 2: Association and joins me right now.

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Speaker 20: Hello Oliver, good afternoon, How are you good.

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Speaker 2: Normally you sell like this is greeted with, you know,

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Speaker 2: with success and this is great. You know, we're selling

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Speaker 2: on and all that sort of thing. But it's not

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Speaker 2: good for the market.

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Speaker 20: Well, it isn't good for the market. And certainly what

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Speaker 20: we've seen in the last couple of years is that

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Speaker 20: continuation of really what is persistent undervaluation, particularly on small

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Speaker 20: and midcaps on the INSIDEX.

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Speaker 2: So we're selling low and we're ending out with less

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Speaker 2: companies we can invest in if we want to invest

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Speaker 2: in the Internet.

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Speaker 20: Well, whether they're low or not, I mean, every situation

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Speaker 20: is different, but yes, ultimately what you're seeing now is

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Speaker 20: less and less choice for investors on the INSIDEX. And

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Speaker 20: you know, I know there's been a couple of listings

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Speaker 20: recently where we're seeing slightly that Locate Technologies will list

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Speaker 20: on the insidetx Monoucar Resources has listed very recently. But

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Speaker 20: certainly we want to see, you know, really high quality

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Speaker 20: companies continuing to come through and put their capital into

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Speaker 20: the public market.

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Speaker 2: So why are so many New Zealand brands going up

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Speaker 2: for sale being so while some people say cheaply, is

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Speaker 2: it because New Zealand business owners aren't prepared to sort

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Speaker 2: of rock these businesses right the way to the end

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Speaker 2: of that business's life and their own life and they

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Speaker 2: wanted to get out cash up, get the batch to

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Speaker 2: the boat in the BMW.

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Speaker 20: On a public market, I'd really hope that it's more

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Speaker 20: about the batch of the boat in the BMW. But

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Speaker 20: certainly that's that that could be considered a factor for

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Speaker 20: private sales, So when a company doesn't go public but

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Speaker 20: chooses to sell to a private equity partner, and that

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Speaker 20: may be a factor in that regard. But we also

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Speaker 20: do do see elements of the public market where businesses

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Speaker 20: have been unloved for a long time by markets, and

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Speaker 20: that's that's a feature of a small market that means

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Speaker 20: we haven't always got the liquidity there to create the

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Speaker 20: underlying value for the company on the market. And you know,

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Speaker 20: in the last couple of years we've seen US markets

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Speaker 20: go gangbusters. We've seen even Australia as our trade's recovered

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Speaker 20: and it's trading some pretty significant multiples over there. That

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Speaker 20: just hasn't happened on the ins and X.

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Speaker 2: And is that another is that another city it's steat?

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Speaker 2: Is that another symptom of the skewing of our investment

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Speaker 2: market towards property and not into equities.

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Speaker 20: I think that is definitely one of the factors. Yes,

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Speaker 20: but it's also global capital goes where it's cheap, and

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Speaker 20: right now New Zealand is looking relatively undervalid compared to

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Speaker 20: other markets, so it's not surprising that we're seeing a

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Speaker 20: lot of overseas interests in some of these companies. Yep,

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Speaker 20: the majority owner of Restaurant Brands has chosen this time

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Speaker 20: to actually take that company and take it private, and

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Speaker 20: they already owned seventy five percent of it. The Bremworth

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Speaker 20: deal is interesting as a smart pay and smart Pay

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Speaker 20: is a less known company. They are a key if

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Speaker 20: post provider on both sides of the Tasman in terms

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Speaker 20: of the hardware that supports that, and this meant some

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Speaker 20: commentary in Australia that suggests that's actually been a very

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Speaker 20: good price for the acquirer of that company.

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Speaker 2: So what do all these sales mean for people who

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Speaker 2: are investing in the NZNX through their retirement funds, through

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Speaker 2: their key We say, well, what I would call passive investors.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, so look at it means that that they have

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Speaker 20: less choice or less ability to invest in the New

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Speaker 20: Zealand market, or their funds have less choice and less ability.

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Speaker 20: So they might be getting a good cash return right now,

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Speaker 20: certainly the context of whether shares may have been trading

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Speaker 20: at So look does the smart pay one is a

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Speaker 20: really good example of that that the takeover op the

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Speaker 20: takeover that has removed that company from the exchange is

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Speaker 20: more than double that the prevailing prices that preceded any

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Speaker 20: of the offers being made. So it looks really good

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Speaker 20: in the short term, but in the long term, yeah,

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Speaker 20: it's reducing investor choice and ultimately it just reflects some

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Speaker 20: of that sort of regulatory and legislative sentiment that's in

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Speaker 20: favor of what does not favor public markets because the

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Speaker 20: compliance issues are significantly.

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Speaker 2: But that's what this government is actually fighting. They want

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Speaker 2: They say we've had a culture of no they want

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Speaker 2: to change. They also say we want foreign investment into

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Speaker 2: our companies. So are they actually making the changes that

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Speaker 2: are needed.

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Speaker 20: We've seen a couple of changes come through so that

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Speaker 20: the major one has been the removal of something called

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Speaker 20: prospective financial information provision and that means that a company

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Speaker 20: going for an IPO or listing on the market for

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Speaker 20: the first time doesn't need to provide a forecast for

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Speaker 20: the next sort of five years of data about how

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Speaker 20: it's going to be trading. That's something we actually supported

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Speaker 20: because we felt that some of that information wasn't always

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Speaker 20: high quality and it was really expensive issue was to produce.

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Speaker 6: So you had a.

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Speaker 20: Situation where the people were relying on that were relying

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Speaker 20: on the information, arguably they would have been better served

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Speaker 20: by getting better financial advice or doing their own analysis

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Speaker 20: around that.

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Speaker 2: Good Oliver Amanda, I thank you for your time. Oliver

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Speaker 2: is the New Zealand Shareholders Association CEO. You can text

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Speaker 2: on ninety two ninety two. Small charge applies after Barry

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Speaker 2: and I discussing Christopher Luxen and saying that he's getting better.

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Speaker 2: Had a few texts. Someone says I'm sick of people

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Speaker 2: complaining about Luxon. He's actually holding the whole show together.

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Speaker 2: Heaven help New Zealand. If the opposition clowns get in,

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Speaker 2: they are a useless and dangerous mob. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: your text. And another text that says Luxon has kept

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Speaker 2: a coalition functioning, which can be very tricky, and he

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Speaker 2: shall get more credit for this. Plus he's got some

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Speaker 2: very capable cabinet ministers. And thank you Andrew. Good to

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Speaker 2: have you on. Well, I'm here for a short time,

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Speaker 2: not a long time. In fact, Heather is back tomorrow

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Speaker 2: and I've still got sixteen minutes to go, and I'm

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Speaker 2: still going to be sorry exactly right on Monday, which

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Speaker 2: is not tomorrow, Tomorrow, Saturday. I have sixteen minutes to go.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to talk to Gavin Gray out of

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Speaker 2: the UK in just a few moments time.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Andrew Dickins and Mays for insurance investments and Kiwye

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Speaker 1: Safer You're in good hands news talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be Well, it's now thirteen minutes to seven and

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray from the UK joins me, good evening to you.

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Speaker 2: Gavin just got an analyticctually from the Guardian. That's heid

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Speaker 2: the two men, a fifty three year old and sixty

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Speaker 2: six year old killed in the terrorist attech in Manchester

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Speaker 2: at the synagogue have been named and you have details.

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Speaker 24: Yes, indeed then they are both local people who had

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Speaker 24: been attending the mosque that day. There's been lots of

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Speaker 24: sort of retrospective concerns, of course overnight now here it's

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Speaker 24: early in the morning, about the safety of people attending

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Speaker 24: synagogues today but also in future, something that the government

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Speaker 24: is looking at. But of the details of what do

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Speaker 24: we know, well, we believe the attacker as a thirty

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Speaker 24: five year old man. They've named him. He's said to

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Speaker 24: be British of Syrian descent, but of course great deal

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Speaker 24: of investigations. They think he was acting alone, but the

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Speaker 24: authorities will be checking who he's been speaking to and

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Speaker 24: who he's been communicating with, and his emails and his

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Speaker 24: computer trail as it were. The victims named as Adrian Dolby,

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Speaker 24: a fifty three year old, and a sixty six year

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Speaker 24: old called Melvin Kravitz. Three others however, remain in hospital.

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Speaker 24: It's thought one was stabbed, one was hit by the

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Speaker 24: car driven by the assailants, and it's thought the third

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Speaker 24: might accidentally have been caught up in the Malay as

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Speaker 24: it were, between the police and the assailant.

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Speaker 20: And so those are what we know at the moment.

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Speaker 24: A great deal of interest, of course, among some of

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Speaker 24: the papers about where al Shami, this assailant came from,

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Speaker 24: and the background that he had in Syria, and also

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Speaker 24: three arrests, people still being questioned there.

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Speaker 20: Now it's no we know.

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Speaker 24: Now it's being declared as a terrorist incident, and that

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Speaker 24: will give police a lot longer and many more powers

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Speaker 24: with which to be able to hold them and question them.

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Speaker 2: And the Prime Minister Kiirstama has been warning that they've

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Speaker 2: got to you as a country have got to stem

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Speaker 2: the rise of Jewish hatred in society.

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Speaker 24: Yes, that's something reflected as well by other leaders, but

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Speaker 24: also by the Jewish faith themselves, rather alarmingly, many saying

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Speaker 24: this was something that they kind of knew were waiting

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Speaker 24: were going to happen. Struck, of course, on Jong Kippur,

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Speaker 24: the holiest day in the Jewish calendar, the UK's Chief

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Speaker 24: Rabbi s e from Mervis said that the attack was

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Speaker 24: a tragic result of an unrelating wave of due hatred,

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Speaker 24: and of course, only a couple of weeks ago the

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Speaker 24: UK recognized Palestine as a state. A slightly separate argument,

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Speaker 24: but all I think caught up in the same thing,

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Speaker 24: and the almost weekly demonstrations in support of Garza again

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Speaker 24: unconnected with this incident, but I think the whole sort

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Speaker 24: of feeling of it reaching a bit of a boiling

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Speaker 24: point now becomes quite clear.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now to Munich we go with the airport there

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Speaker 2: has been closed and more than a dozen flights canceled

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Speaker 2: after more drones.

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Speaker 24: Yes, and it led to some quite widespread disruption as

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Speaker 24: you can imagine, where seventeen flights in total were grounded,

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Speaker 24: affecting three thousand passengers. Flights diverted to nearby city. Is

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Speaker 24: no immediate confirmation again of where these drones had come from. Why, well,

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Speaker 24: because it was nighttime, so it's difficult to identify them. Also,

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Speaker 24: the airports tend to be in quite densely populated areas,

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Speaker 24: so you know, shooting them down is not an easy

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Speaker 24: decision to make in case you hurt people on the ground.

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Speaker 24: But This is, as you know, one of the latest

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Speaker 24: in a string of incidents of drones being flown over

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Speaker 24: airports in and around Europe and its borders. Many people

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Speaker 24: pointing the finger at Russia, Russia saying it's got nothing

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Speaker 24: to do with them, but we do know that twenty

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Speaker 24: Russian drones crossed into Poland last month and Russian make

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Speaker 24: thirty one jets entered Estonian airspace in recent incidents. Copenhagen

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Speaker 24: Oslo airports also affected, and some of the airports that

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Speaker 24: are being affected andrew are also military airports. The idea

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Speaker 24: they can't take off because of some drones is deeply worrying.

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Speaker 2: It's also deeply worrying about the state of combat in

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Speaker 2: the twenty first century, where the combatants are infecteding in

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Speaker 2: some office blocks from London and they're flying a drone,

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Speaker 2: or sitting in an office block in Moscow and flying

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Speaker 2: a drone, and it is the collateral damage of civilians

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Speaker 2: rather than actual combatants who are remotely controlling these weapons.

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Speaker 2: It's a remarkable thing now. Nigel Farraj polling magnificently and

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Speaker 2: looking like a bit of a front runner. Some people

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Speaker 2: even say could form a government. But yes, his security

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Speaker 2: has been cut.

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Speaker 25: Now why well, the government isn't confirming or denying that,

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Speaker 25: but Nigel Parish and his team, he of course you

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Speaker 25: might call him the architect of Brexit, the leader of

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Speaker 25: Reform UK and Upstart party that is absolutely smashing it,

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Speaker 25: as they say in the polls, is rumored to have

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Speaker 25: had his security detail cut by seventy five percent. And

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Speaker 25: why does this matter?

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Speaker 24: Well, it matters because well, not just of course of

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Speaker 24: what's happened in Manchester with the attack on the synagogue,

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Speaker 24: but also more and more threats made to politicians and

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Speaker 24: indeed at the Labor Party conference, the party of government

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Speaker 24: here in the UK, they held a conference last week

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Speaker 24: in which Reform UK accused Sekir Starmer, our Prime Minister

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Speaker 24: of inciting violence against Niger Pharahs by some of what

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Speaker 24: he'd said. The Deputy Prime Minister had accused Nigrirol Paraj

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Speaker 24: of flirting with the Nazism. And you know this is

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Speaker 24: the sort of commentary which, of course then everyone steps

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Speaker 24: back and say, yes, we mustn't say these things. But

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Speaker 24: I think plenty of people think that that was perhaps

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Speaker 24: an overstep of the mark. And indeed the Deputy Prime

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Speaker 24: Minister has rode back on those comments, but nevertheless, I

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Speaker 24: think it's left Nigro Pharaoh is pretty angry the Reform

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Speaker 24: UK Party saying, look, you're firing all your missiles at us,

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Speaker 24: and quite frankly, you know you're doing exactly what you're

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Speaker 24: saying you shouldn't be doing by inciting the violence. Regarding

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Speaker 24: the response from the government, the government says we do

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Speaker 24: not decide the level of security for politicians. That is

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Speaker 24: done by a separate, independent committee. Nothing to do with us,

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Speaker 24: nothing to see here. Rumors reached me, however, to the

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Speaker 24: shortfall as it is seen of security for Nigel Pharaohs

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Speaker 24: is now being paid for privately, which I think sets

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Speaker 24: a very very dangerous president for the safety of our.

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Speaker 2: Part I totally agree. But at the same time, mister

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Speaker 2: Farage will actually use this to his benefit because he's

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Speaker 2: an expert at that. Gavin Gray out of the UK,

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Speaker 2: I thank you very much, and it is now seven

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Speaker 2: minutes to seven.

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Speaker 2: We come to the point where we leave the program

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Speaker 2: with the banging tune and the banging tune is normally

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Speaker 2: chosen by a technical director that is normally NTS Millsage,

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Speaker 2: and when he's choosing the banking tune, I call him

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Speaker 2: mixed Master Millsage, but today's technical director, and I thank

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Speaker 2: you for a great job as Libby. And I've just

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Speaker 2: asked AI, what's Libby's DJ name? And it could be

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Speaker 2: or it could just be Libby Libby. What are we

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Speaker 2: going to play out with?

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Speaker 17: I'm going to take us out on the title track

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Speaker 17: from Taylor's new album for Like You had to Stay?

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Speaker 6: Did You had to?

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Speaker 2: We had to? And we've had an hour off playing

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Speaker 2: the old Taylor. But it's already massive, already huge, probably

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Speaker 2: already number one. And I thank you for your time.

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Speaker 2: Just head this back on Monday. My name is Andrew Dickens.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to Libby, Thank you always to the German,

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Speaker 2: that's what she calls you. I never did Laura, thank

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Speaker 2: you magnificence, and I'll see you when I see you.

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Speaker 8: Photos of the boot I'm married to brother and now

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