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Speaker 1: In France, Catherine Field, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine, thank you, MIKEE.

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Speaker 1: And I was just watching old Macron wandering with Trump,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't see the handshake. Whether azapple down around around,

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Speaker 1: they're off for lunch. I mean, he's got a job,

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Speaker 1: hasn't he, Macron, he's representing I'm assuming.

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Speaker 2: All of Europe. He is. Indeed, yes, just to be

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Speaker 2: precise on that, Mike, it was a handshake, not a hug.

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Speaker 2: That was the first thing that the French TV said

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Speaker 2: when they saw it. Of course, in the past twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: when Macron first met Donald Trump, then president, it was

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Speaker 2: a hug, that's all warmth, all smiles. We haven't seen

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Speaker 2: that today. There's visits by Emmanuel Macron, the first European

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Speaker 2: leader to have a one on one with Trump since

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Speaker 2: he took office. Of course, coincides with a third anniversary

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Speaker 2: of the start of the war he does. He has

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Speaker 2: a really hard job to convince Donald Trump that if

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Speaker 2: there is a quick deal with Vladimir Putin to stop

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Speaker 2: the war in Ukraine, then that risks being a bad deal.

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Speaker 2: And that's the message he's good to say. Look, if

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Speaker 2: it's a bad deal, you will end up on the

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Speaker 2: wrong side of history. It will weaken you. It'll make

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Speaker 2: you look weak to the Chinese. That's what he wants

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Speaker 2: to convince him about. He also wants to tell Trump, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we know what you're going on about European defense. We

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Speaker 2: know we need to do better. There is going to

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Speaker 2: be increased defense spending. There's a discussion about European defense capability.

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Speaker 2: But for the time being, he's going to say, please

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Speaker 2: can you keep that US security guarantee in place in Europe.

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Speaker 2: It's been there since the end of the Second World War.

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Speaker 2: That is what Europe's stability in Europ's economics are based on.

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Speaker 2: Please keep that in place. On top of that, he's

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Speaker 2: going to talk about this idea that Macromaan and the

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Speaker 2: UK Prime Minister Starma have come up with that there

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Speaker 2: could be some sort of European reassurance force that would

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Speaker 2: go into Ukraine after there was a peace settlement. Now,

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Speaker 2: of course they can't do that on their own. They

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Speaker 2: would need US intelligence and put they would need US

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Speaker 2: air support. Are going to say, if we do do that,

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Speaker 2: would you be able to help us out there? So

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Speaker 2: that's what is hoping he's going to get. We are

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Speaker 2: told from the Elisa Palace that you will not see

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Speaker 2: the usual Emmanuel Macron there, that you will see him

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Speaker 2: looking very serious and showing humility towards Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: As what we're told, no pressure. Then then the main

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Speaker 1: time back in Keev. I know that Starers and India

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Speaker 1: doing a tri dealer. Macrons obviously in Washington, so limited

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Speaker 1: the numbers. But once again we gather around the table

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Speaker 1: and what say, what We're with you.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly yet. Yes, there was that decision to have

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Speaker 2: this big EU meeting in Kiev to mark the anniversary,

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Speaker 2: to say, yes, we are with you, we have been

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Speaker 2: with you since the start, we will be with you

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Speaker 2: at the end, and we'll be with you into the future.

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Speaker 2: That is the message that they hope to get across.

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Speaker 2: They did get that message. There was also the Canadian

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Speaker 2: Prime minister, the current Prime Minister Trudeau was also there.

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Speaker 2: And that's what they're trying to do, Mike. You know,

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Speaker 2: when you've all these European and non European leaders going there,

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Speaker 2: they're trying to counter what they see quite clearly as

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump siding with Putin, and they're saying, look, we

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Speaker 2: are still siding with you. And when you just look

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Speaker 2: at what else has happened in the last hour. That

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Speaker 2: UN resolution which condemned the Russian aggression in Ukraine that

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Speaker 2: the US voted against, that sided with Russia and North

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Speaker 2: Korea and Belarusia. So that is what they're trying to do,

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Speaker 2: and saying, look, you know, the United States might be

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Speaker 2: siding with Putin for the time being, but we are

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Speaker 2: still there. And I think I've said it before. Mike,

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Speaker 2: the French Defense Minister, reminded everyone today that fighting between

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Speaker 2: Russia and Ukraine is just two thousand kilometers away from

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Speaker 2: mainland France exactly.

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Speaker 1: Just quickly, I noted mertzers off to talk to the

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Speaker 1: Social Democrats. He's got the nod to do that. Is

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Speaker 1: that an easy deal or not.

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Speaker 2: Should be an easy deal. Matt says that he should

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Speaker 2: have a coalition in place by easter. That's the Here's

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Speaker 2: of April. Very interesting stuff coming from him though, Mike

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Speaker 2: warning that we're now at a five to midnight moment

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Speaker 2: that the mainstream parties have to act now if they're

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Speaker 2: going to stop the far right from really coming into

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Speaker 2: Parliament and the next elections. There. The other thing which

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Speaker 2: was extraordinary to hear him talk about this being the

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Speaker 2: end of the Transatlantic Alliance. Very unusual for a German

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Speaker 2: of his generation to say that. But you know what

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Speaker 2: they're hoping for, of course, is that Matt's and Emmanuel

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Speaker 2: macroanf they're both risk takers. They both know that times

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Speaker 2: are changing in Europe and Europe's going to have to

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Speaker 2: start talking at least about some sort of independent European

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Speaker 2: defense capability.

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Speaker 1: Jeez, are interesting terms, aren't they. Catherine appreciated as always,

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Speaker 1: seen next week Catherine Field in France. For more from

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