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Speaker 1: So the Ministry of Culture Inheritage has proposed a major

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Speaker 1: overhaul of our media regulators and their funding agencies. The

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Speaker 1: discussion document the Ministry has released talks about merging New

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Speaker 1: Zealand on Air and the Film Commission, replacing the Broadcasting

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Speaker 1: Standards Authority with a new regulator, and requiring international streaming

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Speaker 1: services to invest in local content. So the Minister of

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Speaker 1: Media and Communications as poor Godsworth, then poor Godsworth joins me, now,

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Speaker 1: Holli Paul, So why merge the Film Commission and New

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Speaker 1: Zealand on Air?

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Speaker 2: Well, look at the proposal that will put me out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately they grew out of you know, the

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Speaker 2: world where you had separate big movies and you had

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Speaker 2: one group looking after movies on the big screen and

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Speaker 2: then another group which was focused on television and radio.

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Speaker 2: And as all your listeners will understand, those two distinct

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Speaker 2: categories are merging. Where were you know, TV and filmer

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Speaker 2: and series and digital stuff on streamers are all sort

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Speaker 2: of very much in the same space. There are obviously

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Speaker 2: differences in terms of the quality of feature films, but

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Speaker 2: it's merging, and so there's a good argument to say

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Speaker 2: in Meny, other countries have joined those two historic things together.

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Speaker 2: There are real challenges about how you do that. But

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Speaker 2: so that's the question I'm putting out.

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Speaker 1: For Well, would it mean less money available for content

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Speaker 1: makers because you've taken two organizations and merged them into one.

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Speaker 1: You've taken two parts of money merged into one.

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Speaker 2: Well no, Well hopefully it'll be more because there'd be

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Speaker 2: a little bit less overhead rather than having two organizations

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Speaker 2: doling it out. If you had one, you know, it

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Speaker 2: could be a more efficient way of doing it. We're

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Speaker 2: not suggesting changing the overall funding levels, it's just how

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Speaker 2: it's administered.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how much money do you want the likes of

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Speaker 1: Netflix to invest into local shows? Well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's another thing that all

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Speaker 2: around the world people are grappling with. In the past,

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Speaker 2: you've had a local TV stations are being required or

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Speaker 2: expect to do some development of material and programming here

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Speaker 2: in the country. That doesn't happen with sort of Apple

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Speaker 2: TV necessarily or Prime. And there's a whole range out

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Speaker 2: out there who are doing well, and so the question is, well,

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Speaker 2: what's the best mechanism to encourage them to be also

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Speaker 2: developing some stuff in new Zealand, but also putting New

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Speaker 2: Zealand material on their site and making giving it some

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Speaker 2: providence and there's a wide variety.

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Speaker 1: Can you actually force streaming services to make New Zealand

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Speaker 1: shows movies? I mean if they don't want to.

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Speaker 2: Have to, well, yeah, there are various ways of doing it.

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Speaker 2: You could sort of have an expectation around percentage being available,

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Speaker 2: you could have you know, there are different ways of

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Speaker 2: doing it, and that's what the discussion document is designed

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Speaker 2: to flush out. We don't want to be overly prescriptive

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Speaker 2: and we want to work out what's the best way

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Speaker 2: to ensure that. I mean, what's the public interest in

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Speaker 2: all of this is that you know, in a world

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Speaker 2: where you've got the world at your fingertips, which is

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Speaker 2: great for consumers. Everybody loves it. In fact, you can

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Speaker 2: see anything anywhere. But we also do want to ensure

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Speaker 2: that our New Zealand stories are available and can be

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Speaker 2: tracked down and reasonably prominent. Which is one of the

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Speaker 2: other basic things we're doing or suggesting is you know,

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Speaker 2: when you buy your new smart TV, you plug it

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Speaker 2: in and these acts come up in terms of various

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Speaker 2: things like Netflix and so forth. We want to ensure

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Speaker 2: that the New Zealand apps A TV and ZED and

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Speaker 2: so forth are actually there, and quite frequently now when

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Speaker 2: buy TV they're not and it's quite difficult to work

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Speaker 2: out and people struggle with that. So some of those

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Speaker 2: basic things that actually make a difference for the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand media landscape is what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: The venues bargaining bill is on hold. Why is that?

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Speaker 1: We were you bullied by Google?

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Speaker 2: No? Is just simply that the Australians, who you know.

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Speaker 2: I think it makes very good sense for us to

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Speaker 2: be broadly in steck with have just before Christmas announced

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Speaker 2: a different approach that they're going to take. They're going

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Speaker 2: to put out a discussion document. I'm going to be

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Speaker 2: meeting with the Minister hopefully next week to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: And I just think it makes sense to take a

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Speaker 2: stock and see exactly how the Australians will and how

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Speaker 2: the rest of the world responds to that, and then

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Speaker 2: New Zealand can follow if it makes sense. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's a better way of doing it rather than

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Speaker 2: just bearing off in our own direction. Good.

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Speaker 1: I thank you Paul Goldsmith, the Media and Communications MINISRI.

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