1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: So the Treaty Principles build was finished off yesterday, not 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: without a bit of noise and ground standing on the 3 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: second reading, David Seymour didn't go down without some resistancies 4 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: with us. Very good morning to you. 5 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: Good by any way, No regrets, not at all. I'll 6 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: never regret standing up for basic human rights being equal 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: and also for standing up for truth. And if you 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: watched the debate yesterday, the most interesting thing is that 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: not a single opponent pointed to here's one of the 10 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: principles proposed, and here's why I oppose it, and this 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: is why we're going to have a better country without it. 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: Fact is that Parliament does have the complete right to 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: make laws. The Crown does have an obligation to uphold 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: all people's rights, including Maris, such as property rights, and 15 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: we are all equal before the law. Now, obviously it's 16 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: taking a while for certain people in Parliament to catch 17 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: on to that. But the challenges how else do they 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: want a country to work? 19 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: And that's the difficulty. You haven't been able and this 20 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: is not a criticism of you, but you haven't been 21 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: able to apply the logic so liberally people finally get it. 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: In other words, you're never going to turn them where. 23 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: I think what this debate has revealed is quite how 24 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 2: far New Zealand has departed from liberal democratic principles. If 25 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: you go out there and say, well, I don't actually 26 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 2: think the treaty is a partnership between races. I think 27 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: we're just all people who have either migrated here or 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: our ancestors did, and we should be afforded the ability 29 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: to grow our culture and our lives economically and socially 30 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 2: and make the most of our time on earth, which 31 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: is all equally special to each of us. A whole 32 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: lot of people say, oh no, no, no, we've got 33 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: to be part of this sort of bizarre binary cult, frankly, 34 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: where you've got to bow down and have strange courses 35 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: at your university and constantly worship people based on things 36 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: that happened two hundred years before you're born. That's where 37 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: New Zealand is. And if the bill has done anything, 38 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: it's probably revealed to me that we've gone further down 39 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: that track in the last thirty or forty years than 40 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: people have realized. But that's not a reason to have regrets. 41 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: Thank God, I just wish i'd been born twenty years earlier. 42 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 2: And got into the sooner. 43 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly is it wise to put it to the 44 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: people's vote. My argument against it is, and I struggle 45 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: with it, is that people will vote without the knowledge 46 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: they need and they'll vote on a motion. Or is 47 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: that democracy and that's just life. 48 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you a funny story. I was debating 49 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: in the House last week and I used to term 50 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: from economics. I ticket was something like opportunity cost and 51 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: someone from the Mari Party, which has piped up and said, oh, what, 52 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 2: you're just making it up, that's kaka, and I thought 53 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: far out. You know, we let people into parliament with 54 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: no rudimentary knowledge of year ten or year eleven economics. 55 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: If they say that people need to be more educated 56 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: to have an opinion, maybe they should start themselves. Good on. 57 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: You'm nice to talk to you appreciate it. David Seymore 58 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: act a party lead it. 59 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 60 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 61 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.