1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: So the government's speeding up the way in which admires 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: land for infrastructure projects will have a premium payment scheme. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: You sell quickly, you'll get more objections, will no longer 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: be heard by the Environment Court. Instead, you'll wander off 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: to the appropriate ministry or the Council. Public words at 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: expert and partner at Denton's Kensington's One, Matthew Oucleston's with us, 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Matthew morning. 8 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: Good morning mate. 9 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Makes sense. 10 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's some real game changes in here. 11 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: Isn't there a premium already? Like in the government comes 12 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: along to me and goes, look, we'll off for you 13 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: a million dollars and I'll go, look, make at one 14 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: point one and we're done. I mean, that's a premium, 15 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 1: isn't it. Whether you talk about it. 16 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: Or not, does a premium In the legislation, it's called 17 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: additional compensation and there's two types that they're relatively small amounts. 18 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 2: There's a maximum of fifty thousand dollars if it's your 19 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: own house, or twenty five thousand dollars in other situations. 20 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: So given a lot of commensation amounts that we're talking, 21 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: those don't really amount to much of an incentive. So 22 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: I think the proposal to increase those quite significantly up 23 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: to one hundred and fifty ninety two thousand, that will 24 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 2: make a difference. 25 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: Right, So that's material. What will also make the most 26 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: difference that or the lack of environment caught and you're 27 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: dealing with the ministry or council. 28 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: I think the incentive payments will help a bit. But 29 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 2: some of the big delays that we've seen have been 30 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: around the fact that objections go to the Environment Court, 31 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: and that's a whole process that courts through a busy 32 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: it's a lot of other jurisdiction as well. So if 33 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: we can keep these objections out of the Environment Court 34 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: and have them dealt with directly by the acquiring authority, 35 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: I think that will make a difference. And for some 36 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: landowners they've said, look, I want to engage directly with 37 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: the Minister or with the council. I want to speak 38 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: to that body, and so it sounds like this will 39 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: give them a bit more of that direct access. I 40 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: think that will make a big difference. 41 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Sure, well, that part's good, but I mean the Environment 42 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: Court is used not by those people but by third parties. 43 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: Ago we'll hold on as a wetland there and I 44 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: need an argument about it. 45 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've seen a range of objections. I think the 46 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: more challenging ones have been where people have said, I'm 47 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: essentially challenging the nature of the project. You know, it 48 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: should be a tunnel that should go to the west, 49 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: not to the north, and those decisions have often already 50 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: been made through the rm A process and so it 51 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: is a bit crazy that there's an opportunity to challenge 52 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 2: those again to the ejection process. And that's something else 53 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: that the government is looking at changing the. 54 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: How are they going to deal with it? How are 55 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: they going to deal with the uniformity on councils. Why 56 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't one council take a completely different view from another 57 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: council Unless you can somehow manage. 58 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: That, that is hard. You know, you've got the government 59 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: on the one hand, and then a whole number of 60 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: other councils on the other hand, each are able to 61 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: influent the legislation themselves, and so you do see some variation, 62 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 2: and that that is part of the issue. People have said, 63 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: when I deal with different councils, I get quite different experiences. 64 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: I'm not sure we're ever going to be able to 65 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: change all of that. But I think as part of 66 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 2: these wider reforms that government is looking at setting out 67 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: some more best practice across the entire public works, etc. 68 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: But of course the government is only responsible for the 69 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 2: government side of it, not the council side. 70 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly good and so I appreciate it. Matthew Matthew Augustin, 71 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: who's with Denton's Kensington. 72 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: Swan For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast. Listen live 73 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: to news talks the'd be from six am weekdays, or 74 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.