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Speaker 1: A highly anticipated report on homelessness has finally been released.

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Speaker 1: The report shows homelessness rose by thirty seven percent between

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and twenty twenty three. Previous government and anecdotally,

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Speaker 1: city councils are reporting that the numbers of rough sleepers

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Speaker 1: have increased in this current government's term. Social housing commentator

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Speaker 1: Bernie Bernie Smith is with me, now, hey, Bernie, hi,

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Speaker 1: heav is this report the slam dunk that it's being

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Speaker 1: reported as well?

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Speaker 2: I certainly think that the present minister is not living

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Speaker 2: in reality by saying that the information that's coming through

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Speaker 2: from various ngngas is antidota. I mean it's factual information

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Speaker 2: that nsc M hard has provided it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, But it is anecdotal, isn't it? Because it's counsels

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Speaker 1: who are saying yep, and the numbers are quite bag Bernie.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're saying, you know, in Auckland's homelessness has

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Speaker 1: gone up I think seventy three percent in some places

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Speaker 1: tohundred and something percent, like massive increases. But it is

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Speaker 1: still anecdotal, isn't it? And does that count as much

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Speaker 1: as actually going around and counting in the senses?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think even the senses was accurate enough

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Speaker 2: on homelessness. So either because many of the homeless people

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Speaker 2: were not contactible who weren't interested in sewing in the

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Speaker 2: sensors because there couldn't see any relevance to their homelessness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's also it's also hard to get a

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Speaker 1: letter delivered to someone who doesn't live in.

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Speaker 2: A house, right exactly?

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Speaker 1: Can we blame it on the emergency accommodation being unwhelmed?

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Speaker 2: I think we have to lay some of the blames

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Speaker 2: at that because you don't get rid of or shut

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Speaker 2: down all the motels and then claim that said no

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Speaker 2: impact on the increasing numbers of homelessness. Fair point, but

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Speaker 2: we have a cost of living crisis and a number

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Speaker 2: of other things going on, rental substantially, so we've got

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Speaker 2: people that once were comfortable, even though they were just surviving,

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Speaker 2: now falling into homelessness.

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Speaker 1: To critis Bernie, thank you, look after Yourself, Bernie Smith's

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Speaker 1: social housing commentator, formacy of the Monte Cecilia Housing Trust.

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