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Speaker 1: Pressing the newspeakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Jack Tame on hither duple c Allen drive with

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Speaker 2: one New Zealand let's get connected news dog zaidb.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome to New salk EDB. Jack tame in

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Speaker 3: the hot seat. Heather's just feeling a bit crook at

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Speaker 3: the moment, a bit under the weather. She should be

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Speaker 3: back with us very soon. Big show lined up here

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Speaker 3: this afternoon, right after five o'clock. Louise Upston, the Social

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Speaker 3: Development Minister, will be with us. Job Seeker benefit numbers

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Speaker 3: a pretty high at the moment, no great surprise in

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Speaker 3: this economy. But the government's pleaging to get ten thousand

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Speaker 3: job seekers one on one support. How are they going

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Speaker 3: to do that? The Minister will be with us very shortly. Plus,

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Speaker 3: of course we are approaching a week on from that

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Speaker 3: fifty basis point cut to the ocr So why are

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Speaker 3: banks not cutting their fixed term rates? Will get an

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Speaker 3: answer for you very shortly. Right now it is seven

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Speaker 3: past four.

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Speaker 1: Good team.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Labor Party is edging ever closer slow as

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Speaker 3: it may be, towards supporting a capital gains tax at

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Speaker 3: the next election. Reporting by Politics says both a CGT

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Speaker 3: and a wealth tax. A wealth tax have been pushed

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Speaker 3: to the party's Policy Council for further development, although a

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Speaker 3: remit that was calling for a wealth tax policy to

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Speaker 3: proceed has been pushed back. That came up before members

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Speaker 3: at the Labour Party conference over the weekend. Now you

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Speaker 3: got to say, pushing back an immediate call to support

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Speaker 3: a wealth tax is definitely a good call in my

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Speaker 3: view of the two the two taxes, a CGT and

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Speaker 3: a wealth tax, a capital gains tax is probably easier

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Speaker 3: to sell politically. A wealth tax would immediately be lambastadors

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Speaker 3: an envy tax, whereas a broader CGT merely brings us

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Speaker 3: in line with comparable countries. I also think that capital

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Speaker 3: flight would be a much greater issue with a wealth

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Speaker 3: it would be such a novel adjustment to our tax system,

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Speaker 3: a CGT is probably easier to administer as well. Now

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Speaker 3: you know my views when it comes to a broader CGT.

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Speaker 3: I've said it before, I'll say it again. I just

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Speaker 3: don't understand why someone's slogging their guts out in a

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Speaker 3: when someone else making hundreds of thousands of dollars in

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Speaker 3: capital gains shouldn't be taxed ascent. I just think it's

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Speaker 3: not fair. That doesn't mean that a CGT would have

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Speaker 3: But I just don't think that we tax well. I

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Speaker 3: don't think it's fair that we tax one thing and

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Speaker 3: I reckon we could just start to see the bones

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Speaker 3: enter the election campaign making big promises, but really big

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Speaker 3: Denedan Hospital. Right. They are going to embrace deficits. They're

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Speaker 3: problem with that strategy though. Remind me how many kilometers

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Speaker 3: an even harder sell than the tax team. Ninety two

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Speaker 3: at Newstalk that news Talk saidb dot co dot NZ.

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Speaker 3: Let me know your thoughts on that. Right now, It's

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Speaker 3: eleven past four and US President Joe Biden has pardoned

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Speaker 3: his son Hunter, who was set to be sentenced for

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Speaker 3: gun and tax convictions. In a statement, the President said

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Speaker 3: that Hunter had been unfairly singled out and prosecuted because

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Speaker 4: I am satisfied that I'm not going to do anything

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Speaker 5: I will do that and I will not partner him.

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Speaker 3: Logan Church is TVNZ's US correspondent, and he joins us

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Speaker 3: now I will not pardon him. Those were the words

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Speaker 3: of Joe Biden. Why has he changed his mind?

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Speaker 6: Oh jacket, certainly a recap, Certainly a U turn, isn't this?

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Speaker 6: I mean, just for a very quick recap for those

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Speaker 6: who haven't been following this case Hunter Biden. Of course,

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Speaker 6: Joe Biden had been charged and convicted for crimes releasing

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Speaker 6: to illegally buying a gun, and tax avoidance. This all

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Speaker 6: came to a headering a trial earlier this year in

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Speaker 6: Delaware that exposed a loss of Hunter Biden's past in

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Speaker 6: regards to drug abuse and family dysfunction, a lot of

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Speaker 6: what he's talked about in his memoir, and he was

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Speaker 6: due to be sentenced actually this month now. In America,

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Speaker 6: of course, the president has the power to parson people

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Speaker 6: for crimes and for all of Joe Biden's re election campaign,

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Speaker 6: more than anything else. Now for context, at the same time,

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump was accusing Biden of weaponizing the justice system

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Speaker 6: against him. So no pardon four Hunter until today. Now,

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Speaker 6: this pardon covers any potential federal crimes that Hunter Biden

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Speaker 6: you say, is a shock to everyone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. It says to me that

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden just doesn't care anymore. He doesn't have another

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Speaker 3: He feels like he's been let down by his Democrat colleagues.

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Speaker 3: He knows that his legacy has already been tainted by

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Speaker 6: Well, this is a Sunday night here, and Joe Biden

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Speaker 6: President Biden also said that his political opponents in Congress

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Speaker 6: I hope that Americans will understand why a father and

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Speaker 6: a tumultuous terrain that has been the Joe Biden presidency.

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Speaker 6: Because it's worth noticing that this is not the first

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Speaker 6: Trump camp has reacted this evening, many of them coming

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Speaker 6: certainly the end of another unprecedented chapter in this quite

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Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy times. Thanks Logan, appreciate it. That's TV and

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Speaker 3: z's UIs correspondent Logan Church. Thanks feedback. Jack. If there's

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Speaker 3: one thing that Labor's good at, that's implementing new taxes infrastructure,

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Speaker 3: not so much taxes. Yes, they're the masters, says Glenn Jack.

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Speaker 3: Labor just blue. However, many billion dollars over the last

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Speaker 3: already owe so much money for COVID, we haven't got

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Speaker 3: a plan going forward. Already, it looks like the deficit

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Speaker 3: two is the text number. We'll talk about the black

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Speaker 3: Caps chances in the second Test against England in a

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Speaker 3: couple of minutes. Right now, it's quarter past four. You

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Speaker 2: Who will take the White House results and analysis of

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Speaker 2: the US election on Heather due to see Alan Drive

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected news talk, said B.

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Speaker 3: Jason Pyne is the host of Sports Talk this evening.

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Speaker 3: He's with us now killed apart Keller Jack. So the

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Speaker 3: black Caps versus England, they should have still been playing,

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Speaker 8: I think we can all agree on that, Jack, that

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Speaker 9: Look at was inexplicable, wasn't it? How many did we

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and that too many? Yeah, too many?

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Speaker 3: And just control the controllables.

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Speaker 8: Yes, not not to fall back on cliches, but catches,

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Speaker 8: you know, they don't win matches. They certainly help your

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Speaker 8: about this and to what can change, I don't think

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Speaker 8: they just did. You know, it doesn't seem to me

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I turn my mind back to

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Speaker 8: So let's hope we see that again at the basin

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Speaker 3: Looks it's pretty interesting the way they seem to have

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Speaker 3: The tax we need can be obtained, or the revenue

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Speaker 3: And US President Joe Biden has pardoned his son Hunter Hunter.

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Speaker 13: Everybody's saying this is how we should talk to prime ministers.

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Speaker 3: In fact, they already have the ability to be able.

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Speaker 13: and spend potentially the other ten thousand dollars to put

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Speaker 13: those batteries into their home. Yeah, they don't have that,

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Speaker 13: so they can make a couple of bucks selling it

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Speaker 13: back to the energy regulator.

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Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 3: So to be totally clear, So that's for a battery

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Speaker 3: at home, But is there not like a a larger

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Speaker 3: scale grid option, you know, like in New Zealand over

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Speaker 3: recent years, for example, they've been talking about having a

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Speaker 3: lake that essentially you use when you've got when you're

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Speaker 3: generating heaps of electricity, you can push the water uphill,

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Speaker 3: use that energy to push the water uphill and then

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Speaker 3: let it flow down until later on, so that you

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Speaker 3: have it as a battery and you can use it

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Speaker 3: when the sun isn't shining, for example, there's no spot

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Speaker 3: like that. No, and that's what we need.

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Speaker 13: We need that on a large scale infrastructure, you know,

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Speaker 13: project there's more people have decided to put solar on.

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Speaker 13: You'd think that you could be able to store what

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Speaker 13: is being generated there to then share it around when

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Speaker 13: you need it.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Okay, So three colleges have been closed down for

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Speaker 3: issuing fake diplomas.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and we're talking here about seventeen thousand students. So

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Speaker 13: these are based in Sydney, Adelaide and Melbourne and people

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Speaker 13: who might have qualifications in early childhood education, do the

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Speaker 13: disability support, age care, community services and first date. It's

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Speaker 13: long been argued that a lot of these so called

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Speaker 13: education colleges have just been set up as a rout

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Speaker 13: to bring in international students, to not only line the

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Speaker 13: pockets of the educators, but to also provide an opportunity

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Speaker 13: for migrants to move into Australia and not really get

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Speaker 13: the qualifications they thought they were going to get, but

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Speaker 13: it could be advertised at a price that they can

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Speaker 13: get the mid of the country. So these ghosts quote

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Speaker 13: colleges have been shut down. The whole sector is on notice.

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Speaker 13: And really this plays into the hands of the government

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Speaker 13: which is saying it will crack down on migration, and

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Speaker 13: it turns its attention towards international students and colleges because ultimately, Jack,

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Speaker 13: they don't vote, so that they're the easy solution, not

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Speaker 13: the structural problems that we have with migration at the moment.

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Speaker 13: Just get rid of the students because they're not going

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Speaker 13: to vote either way. So the government looks like they're

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Speaker 13: doing something when they're not really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fascinating. Now a company that owns about two

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Speaker 3: hundred pubs and bars around Australia, is it's not going

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Speaker 3: to be holding any Australia Days celebrations at any of

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Speaker 3: its venues.

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Speaker 13: Why, Yeah, Well, this is the annual debate in Australia

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Speaker 13: about whether or not we should celebrate on the twenty

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Speaker 13: sixth of.

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Speaker 14: I just you know what, I call it Invasion Day,

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Speaker 14: the correct yeah right, But I didn't really have it

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Speaker 14: on my Bingo card for December one and two. You know,

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Speaker 14: I just thought, let's get let's get Christmas out of

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Speaker 14: the way and return to the airwaves in the.

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Speaker 3: Middle of January and start So I'm sure we move

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Speaker 3: the date or not. No, Australian venues Co.

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Speaker 13: And we're talking here some of the most popular pubs

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Speaker 13: and bars in locations like Darling Harbor. You've got Cargo Bar,

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Speaker 13: which is one of the most famous bars in Sydney.

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Speaker 13: Plenty of pubs, as you said, right across the country,

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Speaker 13: including a dozen or so here in Perth. The Clermont

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Speaker 13: Hotels one that I go to, So you know, people

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Speaker 13: are saying I'll never go there again, you know. And

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Speaker 13: the irony here is, you know, they do call themselves

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Speaker 13: Australian venues Co. They don't want to celebrate Australia Day. Look,

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Speaker 13: I think ultimately again it's the same issue that pops

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Speaker 13: up every year. Do we celebrate on the twenty sixth

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Speaker 13: of January or not? Now that this pub group's going early,

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Speaker 13: it's reignited the debate. Will anybody actually move the date? No,

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Speaker 13: because no one can find an alternative date.

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Speaker 9: But we go.

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Speaker 3: Round and round in circles. Hey, thanks for your time,

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Speaker 3: Mollie appreciated as always. That is Peterson six PR Perth

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Speaker 3: Live presenter. So the data is in from the Black

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Speaker 3: Friday Sales for transactions over the sales weekend Worldline, which

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Speaker 3: is in New Zealand's Payments network. They've counached the numbers

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Speaker 3: basically where New Zealanders have spent more or less the

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Speaker 3: same as last year, so not exactly the same, but

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Speaker 3: more or less the same. Here's the thing, though, they

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Speaker 3: had slightly more transactions, but the average transaction price was

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Speaker 3: slightly lower than last year. But it's interesting when you

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Speaker 3: go through the regions. Different regions have really different numbers

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Speaker 3: to last year. So in Auckland and north And for example,

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Speaker 3: the annual change is down one point five percent, so

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Speaker 3: spending has gone down one point five percent since Black

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Speaker 3: Frider sales from last year tell you what though things

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Speaker 3: are going gangbuses in Taranaki, Hawk's Bay, Gisbon as well.

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Speaker 3: So Taranaki they had a thirteen percent increase on last year,

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Speaker 3: almost fourteen percent increase, Hawk's Bay eleven percent on last year.

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Speaker 3: Gisbon up nineteen percent on last year. I suppose that

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Speaker 3: you look at the storm damag from last year in

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Speaker 3: that part of the country and think that maybe that

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Speaker 3: contributed to some of that. But yeah, big spend in

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Speaker 3: Hawks Bay and Tartanaki and Gisbon over the weekend nationwide,

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Speaker 3: though about the same as last year. Which feels about right,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it when you think about where GDP is at

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Speaker 3: at the moment. Can't of stagnant growth for the time being,

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Speaker 3: relatively stagnant Black Friday sales as well. And a couple

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Speaker 3: of minutes, Barry Soper's here with our political update right

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Speaker 3: now at this quarter to five. You're with Jack Tame

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Speaker 3: on News Talks dB Politics.

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Speaker 2: With Centric Credit, check your customers and get payments Certainty.

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Speaker 3: And News Talks. dB Senior political correspondent Barry Soapa is

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Speaker 3: here with us this afternoon. Kielder ser good afternoon, Jack.

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Speaker 3: So the Supreme Court with a significant decision this afternoon.

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Speaker 5: It's actually quite significant and there will be a lot

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Speaker 5: of upset, I would imagine, certainly in Marridom for a start,

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Speaker 5: because you're the Court of Appeal judgment last year that

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Speaker 5: was in October last year. They is the test for

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Speaker 5: Maldi to game customly titled the foreshort and See, but

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Speaker 5: it goes back twenty year. Is as to Helen Clark's government,

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Speaker 5: the ruling allowed by the Appeal there was an appeal

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Speaker 5: by the Attorney General that today has been upheld by

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court. What they've done is when this government

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Speaker 5: at basically what to restore what was intended in the

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Speaker 5: Foreshaw on Seabed Act, and that was to ensure that

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Speaker 5: they had exclusive rights if they had uninterrupted access to

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Speaker 5: various parts of the Foreshow and the seabed. But two

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Speaker 5: Court of Appeal judges decided that bar was too high.

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Speaker 5: That was the October ruling. They ruled it was inconsistent

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Speaker 5: with the Treaty of White Tonguey. Now that gets down

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Speaker 5: to the argument, I guess between who is the supreme

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Speaker 5: court in this country? Is at Parliament or is it

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Speaker 5: the courts? Well, the Court of Appeal have made it

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Speaker 5: quite clear today. These two Court of Appeal judges who

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Speaker 5: basically decided that the bar was too high in this

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Speaker 5: earlier legislation, they've been overruled. Now the two judges basically

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Speaker 5: were Justice David Goddard who was appointed five years ago

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Speaker 5: and Justice Mark Cooper, the former President of the Court

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Speaker 5: of Appeal. He retired just a few weeks ago. Interestingly,

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Speaker 5: and the judge who dissented there was one judge and

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Speaker 5: the three judge decision who dissented on the decision, that

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Speaker 5: was Justice Forest Miller. Well where's he He's now on

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court which made this ruling today, and he

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Speaker 5: was one of Judith Collins as the Attorney general first

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Speaker 5: appointment when she became Attorney General in December last year.

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Speaker 5: It's been a lot of toing and throwing in this,

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Speaker 5: but look, really it gets back to the argument, doesn't it.

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Speaker 5: And I think the Parliament has to be spre when

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Speaker 5: it comes to making laws and the laws to be

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Speaker 5: adhered to. And this to me is a really classic

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Speaker 5: case of Mauri won't like it, No doubt there will

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Speaker 5: be a lot of a lot of protest about it.

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Speaker 5: But and they don't like the Marine and Coastal Area Act.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I mean because

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Speaker 3: that I suppose that same tension cuts to the heart

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Speaker 3: of the Treaty principals debate as well, Right, who who

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Speaker 3: should be interpreting the Treaty? Should have been the Court?

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Speaker 3: Should it be the should it be the Parliament? Who

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Speaker 3: should be? Yeah? Yeah, these are there's are interesting kind

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Speaker 3: of constitutionals.

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Speaker 5: I think I heard you say yesterday Jack that David

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Speaker 5: Seymour got what he wanted. Well, in fact, he did

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Speaker 5: get He's got a lot what he wanted. And that

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Speaker 5: was debate on the issue. We're all having it. This

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Speaker 5: will add to it significantly. So he's got the debate

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Speaker 5: and it might be voted down. But don't forget he

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Speaker 5: was the proponent of the euthanasia bill that was voted

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Speaker 5: down initially. And what have we got today. You know,

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Speaker 5: that's how legislation goes on.

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Speaker 3: Many occasions, marriage and that kind of thing. Right. Yeah, Now,

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Speaker 3: Chris Hopkins made a lot of promises at the Labor

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Speaker 3: Party conference over the weekend.

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Speaker 5: Well, the dneied in hospital will be very happy. I'm

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Speaker 5: not sure they will go back to the more than

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Speaker 5: three billion dollars that they were up for. But he's

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Speaker 5: not going into Orcas while Orcus is actually basically stalled

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Speaker 5: at the moment. And and I saw Andrew Little this

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Speaker 5: morning saying that, look, it's an easy decision to say

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Speaker 5: this because it's going nowhere at the moment. But I'd

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Speaker 5: suggest when Trump gets into office, if it's seen as

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Speaker 5: being anti China, Trump will rekindle it and it'll be

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Speaker 5: very much back on the agenda. And I think it's

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Speaker 5: Chris Sipkins is sort of lost in the fact that

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Speaker 5: UCUS is about for the Pillar two is about technology

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Speaker 5: as opposed to nuclear submarine means, which is what the.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we're not We're not getting nucleus ups and

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Speaker 3: I mean we can maintain our nuclear free status while

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Speaker 3: joining pillartoos my understanding.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, the thing that was missed in the speech

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Speaker 5: yesterday by the media and talking about it, I felt

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Speaker 5: was that he said before the last election he worked

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Speaker 5: out ruling with Winston Peters and he hasn't once regretted it.

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Speaker 5: So what does that say He's going to do it again,

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Speaker 5: no doubt He's sort of committed to it here. So

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Speaker 5: what does it mean as coalition partner presumably will have

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Speaker 5: to be the Maldi party in this they can pull

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Speaker 5: off what they did in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Maldi Party in the Greens, right, Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: three party coalitional support deal which is a coalition of

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Speaker 3: car and an interesting thought. Yeah, okay, hey, thank you

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Speaker 3: very much. Barry to se he has always senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 3: Barry Soco. Right now, it has just come up to

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Speaker 3: seven to five, putting.

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Speaker 2: The tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking.

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Speaker 15: Breakfast played the leader Chris Hopkins swimmers. Did you read

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Speaker 15: Peter Dunn's article over the weekend?

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Speaker 16: I have seen that.

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Speaker 15: One pieces, the government's going pretty well and compared with

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Speaker 15: a lot of governments around the world, they're actually performing

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Speaker 15: quite well. You wouldn't want to hear that.

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Speaker 17: Oh, I don't agree with that. I mean, I think

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Speaker 17: that overall our economy is getting worse the decisions that

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Speaker 17: this government have taken. Who contributed to the economic situation

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Speaker 17: that we're in at the moment. I mean, they've been

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Speaker 17: in government for a year now and they want to

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Speaker 17: continue to blame the previous government through everything that's been happening.

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Speaker 17: But actually they need to start accepting responsibility for the

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Speaker 17: decisions that they have taken.

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Speaker 15: Even though you and government spent your full six years

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Speaker 15: blaming the previous government, so you didn't take your own advice.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 15: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 15: the Rain drove the lah News talk z.

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Speaker 3: top of the South Island, the northwest corner of the

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Speaker 3: South Island, who've currently got a pilot well stranding there.

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Speaker 3: Doc says that they've got thirty to forty pilot whales

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Speaker 3: that have stranded their staff working alongside the Community and

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Speaker 3: Project Joanah New Zealand to try and refloat some of those.

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Speaker 3: It's a part of the country, you know, there are

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Speaker 3: certain parts of the country where pilot wales always strand

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Speaker 3: they do it all the time. In fact, if you

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Speaker 3: go for a walk along certain parts of Farewells but

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Speaker 3: you can actually sadly find a lot of bones from

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Speaker 3: the pilot whales that have stranded there in the past.

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Speaker 3: So hopefully they can manage to refloat some of those

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Speaker 3: pilot whales and not obviously we'll keep you up to

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Speaker 3: date if we get any further updates from Doc. After

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Speaker 3: five o'clock this evening, we're going to catch up with

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Speaker 3: the Social Development Minister. The government is concerned by the

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Speaker 3: increasing number of job seekers on the benefit. At the moment,

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Speaker 3: I suppose no huge surprise in one sense, as unemployment

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Speaker 3: continues to rise I think currently forecast to rise until

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Speaker 3: the early part of next year. No great surprise that

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Speaker 3: those numbers are headed in the wrong direction. But they're

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Speaker 3: taking new steps to try and bring the numbers down.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to tell you a bit more about

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Speaker 3: that as well as that we are five six days on,

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Speaker 3: five days on since those changes to the OCR. Fifty

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Speaker 3: basis points taken off the OCR. Most of the markets

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Speaker 3: were expecting it, but we haven't seen much movement from

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Speaker 3: the banks in the days since the Reserve Bank made

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Speaker 3: that call. Why only big changes? We've really seen around

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Speaker 3: floating rates, the big fixed rates though, no major changes.

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Speaker 3: So when are change is likely to come? We'll tell

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Speaker 3: you more after five. It's almost five you with Jack

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Speaker 3: tame and the Heather. This is news Talk's EDB.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers, find the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Jack Tame on Heather Dup to c Elan Drive with

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Speaker 2: One New Zealand Let's.

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Speaker 1: Get connected news Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 3: The government says it is concerned the number of job

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Speaker 3: seekers is going in the wrong direction and it's introducing

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Speaker 3: individual job plans to help people get back into employment.

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Speaker 3: The government set a target to reduce the number of

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Speaker 3: job seekers by fifty thousand by the year twenty thirty,

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Speaker 3: but rather than reduce, numbers rose by almost fifteen thousand

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Speaker 3: in the first nine months of this year. Louise upstent Is,

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Speaker 3: the Social Development Minister, is with us Evening Kyodo Good Evening, minister,

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Jack. Why has that number increased so much?

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Speaker 18: Well, we did know that because of the state of

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Speaker 18: the economy, the numbers were always forecast to go up

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Speaker 18: before they come down, and Treasury with their BFU forecast

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Speaker 18: had expected that peak in January next year, So no

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Speaker 18: surprises there. But we are putting more effort in supporting

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Speaker 18: people with their opportunities to find work.

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Speaker 3: So what do you reckon the numbers will likely peek

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Speaker 3: at alongside unemployment.

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Speaker 18: Well, we're at four point eight percent unemployment rate and

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Speaker 18: the peak is expected at five point two percent, so

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Speaker 18: the numbers are likely to still keep going up, which

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Speaker 18: is why it's really important we take efforts now to

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Speaker 18: provide assistance to people to help them and improve their

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Speaker 18: chances to get a job.

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Speaker 3: But we could, I mean, theoretically, at the very least

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Speaker 3: be looking at another ten thousand people on the benefit

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Speaker 3: right if those numbers hold true.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, And look, as I said, the numbers were forecast

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Speaker 18: to get worse before they got better, which is why

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Speaker 18: we've now got seventy thousand people in case management, ten

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Speaker 18: thousand over the phone, which is a new initiative and

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Speaker 18: working really well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, talk us, talk to us about an individual job plan.

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Speaker 3: What does that actually involve?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, so what we as part of our Welfare that

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Speaker 18: Works reform, for the seventy thousands that are on case management,

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Speaker 18: they will have an individual needs assessment and then they'll

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Speaker 18: create a job plan with their case manager. So we

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Speaker 18: do know for some people they've got more barriers to work.

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Speaker 18: It might be childcare, it might be they don't have

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Speaker 18: a driver's license, it might be that they've got literacy

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Speaker 18: or numeracy challenges. So they'll have those sorts of activities

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Speaker 18: built into their individual job plan to improve their chances

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Speaker 18: of being in work. And that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 18: So I want to provide support they need.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, so just to be clear when you say

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Speaker 3: you have that built into their job plan, as in

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Speaker 3: you have them, you have it. You tell them to

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Speaker 3: go and see Mengfoon and get a driver's license.

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Speaker 18: So they'll create their individual plan with their case manager.

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Speaker 18: So if they need a driver's license, then yes, we'll

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Speaker 18: connect them with an MSD funded program, and there's some

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Speaker 18: great programs around the country. For other people, it might

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Speaker 18: be more complex, and so we want to make sure

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Speaker 18: that we are addressing the individual barriers that someone faces

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Speaker 18: to improve their chances of getting a job.

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Speaker 3: So how many people are going to get this individual

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Speaker 3: job plan? How do you handle that from the case

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Speaker 3: manager site?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, So, as I said, there'll be seventy thousand in

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Speaker 18: case management now, up from fifty three thousand a year ago.

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Speaker 18: So that's a significant improvement. And then each one of

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Speaker 18: those people over time who have a case manager will

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Speaker 18: have that needs assessment and an individual job plan because

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Speaker 18: we want to we want to really interrupt that cycle

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Speaker 18: of welfare dependency and we want people to be in work,

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Speaker 18: and we recognize that some have more challenges and need

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Speaker 18: more support than others.

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Speaker 3: So sanctions for people who don't meet their obligations have

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Speaker 3: increased from I think eight thousand in September twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: three quarter through to fourteen thousand and September twenty four.

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Speaker 3: What does that say about how sanctions are actually working

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Speaker 3: as a deterrent.

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Speaker 18: Well, it's working really well because ninety eight percent of

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Speaker 18: people are complying, so they're at green on the traffic

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Speaker 18: light system. They're taking the steps they need to. And

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Speaker 18: what we've seen despite their being really challenging economic times

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Speaker 18: in the four months July through to October twenty two

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Speaker 18: thousand people exited the Job Seeker Benefit into work, which

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Speaker 18: is four thy one hundred more than the same time

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Speaker 18: a year ago. So people taking the steps they need

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Speaker 18: to take is improving their chances of getting a job,

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Speaker 18: and that's what this is all about.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your time, Social Development Minister Louise Upston. It's

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Speaker 3: eleven past five.

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Speaker 1: Team.

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Speaker 3: If you have a mortgage and you've been waiting and

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Speaker 3: waiting for your bank to pass on last week's fifty

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Speaker 3: basis point cut to the OCR, you might be waiting

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Speaker 3: for a while. Banks have all cut their floating rates,

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Speaker 3: but the term rates haven't really moved much since last week.

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Speaker 3: Bruce Patten is a mortgage advisor with US this evening

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Speaker 3: gilt up.

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Speaker 12: Hi there, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks, So the OCR has been cut by fifty

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Speaker 3: basis points. Why haven't all mortgage rates been cut by

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Speaker 3: the same amount.

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Speaker 12: Well, you'll have seen that all the floating rates will

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Speaker 12: have probably almost all come down by now. A lot

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Speaker 12: of the fixed rates, it's not the OCR doesn't directly

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Speaker 12: relate to just them that there's people money on tom deposit.

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Speaker 12: You've got their swap rates for the overseas wholesale market.

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Speaker 12: And the other big fact at this time was that

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Speaker 12: everybody had fully priced in that we were going to

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Speaker 12: get fifty basis points. Whereas the last two cuts, it

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Speaker 12: was what are we going to get? Are we going

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Speaker 12: to get one? How much is it going to be?

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Speaker 12: So the market didn't really know this time. They knew

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Speaker 12: we were getting fifty maybe seventy five. So we saw

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Speaker 12: a few banks move a few days before we saw

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Speaker 12: the ben Z come down from six point four nine

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Speaker 12: to five nine nine on the Monday before the ocr

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Speaker 12: was even announced. Yeah, so a lot of the rates

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Speaker 12: had already moved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a bit of movement heading up to

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Speaker 3: the announcement itself. Does that mean that when it comes

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Speaker 3: to those fixed term rates, we're unlikely to see more

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Speaker 3: movement until we get closer to February's next cut?

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Speaker 19: That's right.

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Speaker 12: I think that's probably it.

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Speaker 19: For Christmas.

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Speaker 12: You might get lucky, some bank might decide they're going

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Speaker 12: to bring out a little special, but I would say

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Speaker 12: not because what you've got to remember is rates were

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Speaker 12: over seven only in August and we're now right down

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Speaker 12: to less than five and mid five in some cases.

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Speaker 12: So you know, we've had what one point twenty five

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Speaker 12: off the ocr Well, we've already had at least one

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Speaker 12: point twenty five off the fixed rates, So that says

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Speaker 12: to me, we've got all we're going to get.

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Speaker 3: What are people fixing for right now?

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Speaker 12: Mostly short term six or twelve months. If I was

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Speaker 12: to give anyone any advice, it would be just be

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Speaker 12: careful about fixing too long, because once everybody starts to

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Speaker 12: jump into those two three five year fixed rates, you

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Speaker 12: might see them start to go back up a bit

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Speaker 12: because at the moment, no one's using them, so the

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Speaker 12: banks really aren't doing anything with it. So my advice is,

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Speaker 12: don't leave it too long.

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Speaker 19: If you can.

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Speaker 12: Afford If we see a rate at say five or

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Speaker 12: four nine nine, if we were lucky and you can

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Speaker 12: afford that, take it, then don't try to wait for

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Speaker 12: another one point one point two fix it when it's

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Speaker 12: affordable for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. How competitive are the banks right now?

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Speaker 12: Well, were like, well, they're a bit like petual companies,

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Speaker 12: right they tend to be allowing one another quite quite closely.

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Speaker 12: And you've got to remember they're all sourcing their money

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Speaker 12: from the same place as well, so that it costs

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Speaker 12: them the same wherever. So when they're giving a special,

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Speaker 12: they're generally taking a bit of a hit, so they

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Speaker 12: don't tend to stay around for very long. So ain

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Speaker 12: Z priced one year at five five nine, not long

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Speaker 12: before the official cash rate. But then they did away

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Speaker 12: with it because I think they saw that maybe the

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Speaker 12: rate wasn't going to be cut by point seventy five,

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Speaker 12: so they thought, well, we better get rid of it

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Speaker 12: because it's costing us money. Yeah, So sometimes they will

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Speaker 12: when they're trying to attract new business, and other times

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Speaker 12: they're out of the market, but generally they're all much

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Speaker 12: of a muchness to be honest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, thanks Bruce, appreciate it. That is Bruce Patten,

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Speaker 3: mortgage advisor, before six o'clock on Newstalks, he'd be Labor

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Speaker 3: had their party conference over the weekend, of course, and

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Speaker 3: announced that Labor will not be supporting New Zealand, joining ORCUS.

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Speaker 3: But as well as that, a little bit of movement

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Speaker 3: as they try and work out their tax policy ahead

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Speaker 3: of the next election. So one big remit on David

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Speaker 3: Parker's wealth tax got voted down, but another one which

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Speaker 3: will push the wealth tax and a potential capital gains

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Speaker 3: tax through to the party's policy committee that was supported

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Speaker 3: over the weekend. So what does this mean for the

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Speaker 3: future of a wealth tax. David Park is going to

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Speaker 3: be with us before six. Right now it is quarter

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Speaker 3: past five. The risk of shark attacks this summer is real.

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Speaker 3: That's because the BYD Shark six super hybrid ute has

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Speaker 3: just landed in BYD dealerships across the country. You heard

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Speaker 3: me talk about this new SuperTruck coming for a while

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Speaker 3: and it is now here. There is blood in the water,

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Speaker 3: and the Shark six is the ute that's got other

872
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Speaker 3: car companies scared. That's because this truck is four hundred

873
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: and thirty horse power, It can go zero to one

874
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 3: hundred clicks in just five point seven seconds and has

875
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 3: very low emissions. In fact, most people in city centers

876
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: would hardly ever use the petrol engine. It'll just be

877
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: driving an EV mode most of the time. Its total

878
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: range is up to eight hundred kilometers and it can

879
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: even tow the most you can legally toe on a

880
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 3: car license. The special launch pricing is just sixty nine

881
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: nine ninety plus on road cost, but you have to

882
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: be quick. The price will rise in the new year,

883
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Speaker 3: so check it out at Bydauto dot co dot NZ

884
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: nineteen five on news talks, he'd be the return of

885
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: A league football to Auckland has gone better than almost

886
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: anyone could have dream lies on refereen s in Danaskis Man,

887
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: he confirms Auckland FC go five from five.

888
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 20: Man Auckland state at top the A League men's ladder.

889
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 3: I was there, of course, of course I was. Auckland

890
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: f C still undefeated, yet to concede a goal five

891
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: games into its inaugural season, and the jerseys have been

892
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 3: flying off the shelves. The club has already sold all

893
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 3: of the merchant was expecting to sell this entire season,

894
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: and they're having to ship more in before Christmas. Nick

895
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 3: Becker is the Auckland FC CEO, and he's with us

896
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: this evening high neck.

897
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 16: Hi, Jack, are you doing?

898
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: What's the secret source? How things been going so well?

899
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 16: I you know what it's been. Well, it's a few things.

900
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 16: There's no single silver bullet. But the Auckland was ready

901
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 16: for some professional football. I think like the passionates in

902
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 16: those stands. You just see it, like, yeah, we came

903
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 16: in at the right time. Like we worked really hard

904
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 16: to integrate ourselves into the community. But the community was.

905
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 16: It was, we're pushing against an open door and the

906
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 16: arms that was wide open, and they've accepted us really well.

907
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 16: And you know, we're absolutely loving it here.

908
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've been to a couple of games now,

909
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 3: I went to the opening game as well. It is

910
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: just an amazing experience. I'm not being paid to say that. Like,

911
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: it's a great family environment. Absolutely loving it. But you know,

912
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: sports apparel isn't cheap. You must be amazed people are

913
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: still shelling out one hundred and seventy bucks or so

914
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 3: for a founding members jersey and a cost of living crisis.

915
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 16: Yeah, well yeah, the founding members jersey was a little

916
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 16: bit more expensive. Was that actually had your name on it?

917
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 16: If you can buy a home jersey for it's about

918
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 16: one hundred and twenty dollars, a little bit cheaper for

919
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 16: a youth.

920
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 21: One.

921
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 16: The thing that's blown me around is just a.

922
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: Buzz in the community.

923
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 16: Like you know, at that open game that you were at,

924
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 16: we would have had seven eight thousand kids there, you know,

925
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 16: in a twenty five thousand stadium. That's phenomenal. And I

926
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Speaker 16: think you know you're right. The atmosphere is amazing. One end,

927
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Speaker 16: it's a family zone, and there's there's a fan zoned

928
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 16: there for the kids. At the other end, you've got

929
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Speaker 16: the port and the hardcore and that they've been amazing.

930
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 16: They've been a pretty They've brought the passion and brought

931
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Speaker 16: the noise.

932
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they've been incredible. So so the derby against

933
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 3: the Phoenix this weekend is almost completely sold out. Any

934
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Speaker 3: chance you can squeeze a few more fans in.

935
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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, we've gone out today with them. We're going

936
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Speaker 16: to put so every seat is sold, but we can

937
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 16: put some we've sold. We're gonna sell about a thousand

938
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Speaker 16: plus tickets onto the north bank there, the grass bank,

939
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Speaker 16: right next to where we've got the big inflatable side

940
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Speaker 16: that goes down the bank. Yeah, we're gonna put about

941
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 16: a thousand people onto that. So those have been selling,

942
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Speaker 16: and to be honest, mate, they've been selling like hot

943
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 16: cakes today. So I'd expect they'll be all gone by

944
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Speaker 16: buy into play today. But that will take us up

945
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 16: well over the sort of twenty six thousand mark and

946
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Speaker 16: probably closer to the twenty seven thousand marks. It'll be,

947
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Speaker 16: it'll be, it'll be an all time record for a

948
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Speaker 16: regular season a league game to be played in New Zealand,

949
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 16: so that's really exciting.

950
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: And I would hate to say this, and of course

951
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: I don't want to be doing the commentator's curse, especially

952
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 3: is a keen opening season fan. But do you reckon

953
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: you're going to be able to keep up the buzz

954
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: if we happen to accidentally letting the goal sometime this season? Yeah?

955
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: I think so.

956
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 16: I mean the guys that the guys are brilliant because

957
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 16: like the old police, they ever take it game by game,

958
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 16: I'm sure, But what they're actually doing is they're setting

959
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 16: themselves a challenge each game. And I've never been I've

960
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 16: worked in football for twenty years. I've never been around

961
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 16: a group of guys who are so connected and so together.

962
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 16: And you see it out there on the pitch here,

963
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 16: they're just working for each other. Like Steve's got them.

964
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 16: Steve Corriker, our head coach, has got them working a

965
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 16: really good, certainly really good defensive pattern. Their press is

966
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 16: really impressive. But you've actually got you see them actually

967
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 16: out there and they're talking. They're working for each other,

968
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 16: and that's the sign of a really good team.

969
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 3: No, it's fantastic. Hey, good luck this weekend. Nick, really

970
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: looking forward to it. That is Nick Becker, the CEO

971
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: of Auckland f C. And I can speak from first

972
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: hand experience when I say, if you are thinking about

973
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 3: going down that blow up slide as a thirty seven

974
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 3: year old man, do not expect to keep your dignity

975
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 3: as twenty three bus five good the.

976
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: Name you trust to get the answers you need. Jack

977
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: team on heither duples see Alan drive with one New

978
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected and new talk for Joe.

979
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 3: Biden has pulled his middle finger to the world as

980
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: he prepares to leave office. Despite explicitly promising time and

981
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 3: time again that he would not pardon his own son,

982
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: He's used his executive authority to do exactly that. Hunter

983
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 3: is off the hook. It just shows you how Biden

984
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 3: feels about the Democratic Party and about his congressional colleagues

985
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: right now. A bitter resentful without the burden of a

986
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 3: future election campaign, and in the knowledge that his legacy

987
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: has already been irreparably damaged by Donald Trump's reelection, he

988
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: must have just figured why the hell not? I mean,

989
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: forget mending partisan divisions, forget taking the moral high ground,

990
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, from the perspective of Joe Biden the individual.

991
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: You can kind of understand it, right. It doesn't mean

992
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 3: it's right though, I mean, honestly, it is a disgrace.

993
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: It is just completely It completely undermines the same justice

994
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: system which Democrats have for years he has been claiming

995
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: is independent, as impartial as it sought to prosecute President Trump.

996
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: Either the justice system is subject to political manipulation or

997
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: it isn't. You can't change your story just because you're

998
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: being shuffled out of office and there's no longer an

999
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: election in a few weeks time. It is just remarkable,

1000
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: really that he should make this decision, but that he

1001
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 3: should also make it in the same week that Donald

1002
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: Trump has appointed the soon to be US Envoy to France.

1003
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 3: Who's that, you ask, Oh, it's just Charles Kushner, the

1004
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 3: father of his son in law, Jared Kushner, the same

1005
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: man that Donald Trump pardoned shortly before he left office.

1006
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: Trump did it. Now Biden's done the same thing. I

1007
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 3: guess Biden figures, if you can't beat them, join them.

1008
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: But my god, we should can't ourselves. Lucky that here

1009
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 3: in New Zealand our system hasn't yet been poisoned to

1010
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 3: this extent. Americans may be more divided than ever, but

1011
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: they are united in their woeful regards art for foundational

1012
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 3: democratic institutions. Jack tam let me know your thoughts ninety

1013
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: two ninety two will ask the huddle about that four

1014
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: six o'clock this evening, clear law and Josie BGANI you

1015
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 3: are going to be and we'll also talk about to Papa.

1016
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: So to Papa is charging international visitors thirty five bucks

1017
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: per visit, but it is working. They've made seven hundred

1018
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: and fifty grand in the last couple of months. I'll

1019
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: tell you a bit more about that. It's almost five

1020
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: point thirty you were, Jack Tame for this is News

1021
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 3: Talk ZEDB.

1022
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1023
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: your car on your drive home. It's Jack tam on

1024
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get

1025
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: connected and New Talk SEDB.

1026
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 1: Some shot, some shots, some requested. You'll be seeing.

1027
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 3: You you with Jack Tayman for here, she's just feeling

1028
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 3: a bit underweather, so she should be back relatively soon.

1029
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 3: Fingers crossed. Before six o'clock, we're going to take a

1030
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 3: look at the situation with UK Master Chef host Greg Wallace.

1031
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: He's hit back at allegations and proper behavior by blaming

1032
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 3: the allegations on quote middle class women of a certain age,

1033
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: which is certainly one common strategy. We have two middle

1034
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: class women of a much younger age who are going

1035
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: to be on the huddle this evening clearer Laura and

1036
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: j C. Bagany with their thoughts shortly right now, it

1037
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 3: is twenty four minutes to seck Jack team and the

1038
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 3: current government is in talks regarding joining Pillar two of ORCUS,

1039
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: but Labor leader Chris Hopkins says no government he leads

1040
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 3: will join it. You remember that Orcus is a military

1041
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: agreement between Australia, the UK and the US. Pillar two

1042
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: is an agreement to share cutting edge military technologies between

1043
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: the member states. So Labor's announcement over the week has

1044
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 3: left former Labor Defense Minister Andrew a little a little

1045
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: bit confused.

1046
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 10: Those three partners are partners who will get more technology.

1047
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 10: Problem anyway, we'll always get it from them, so it's

1048
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 10: not starting up to that. We still have to have

1049
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 10: a relationship with them.

1050
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: What we're going to David Parker is the Labor Party's

1051
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: Foreign a fair spokesperson and is with us this evening,

1052
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: good evening, good evening, Jack. Why don't you want us

1053
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 3: to join ORCUST Pillar two?

1054
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 10: Because it's become increasingly clear that it is a China

1055
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 10: containment strategy from the point of view of the United States,

1056
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 10: and we don't think we should tie ourselves to that.

1057
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 10: We should try and plot a middle course between the

1058
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 10: superpowers rather than holy take the side of one. That

1059
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 10: doesn't mean to say we're unaligned. We do buy our

1060
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 10: kit from Australia from the US, and it's interoperable with

1061
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 10: systems in Australia, but we shouldn't be part of ORCUST.

1062
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 3: Does China need to be contained?

1063
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 10: Well, we don't perceive that there are any there's any

1064
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 10: immediate threat of them invading us. That there are things

1065
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 10: that China does that we disagree with, both in our

1066
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 10: own region, and of course they've got a completely different

1067
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 10: style of government in a communist one party state. We're

1068
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 10: a liberal democracy, but there are lots of countries in

1069
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 10: the world that we don't agree with. We nonetheless try

1070
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 10: and chart a peaceful course in support of the international

1071
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 10: rules based order that keeps us all safe.

1072
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: What would we actually get out of pillar two if

1073
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: we do join it.

1074
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 10: Well, that's never been completely clear. But one of the

1075
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 10: positives are not completely clear, because we already buy our

1076
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 10: kit out of the US, and that's already been made

1077
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 10: clear by the current US President that even if we

1078
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 10: weren't in August, they'd continue to sell us stuff. What

1079
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 10: we would get out of it in the negative is

1080
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 10: that we'd be clearly positioning ourselves against China. And although

1081
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 10: trade issues and economic issues are not the be all

1082
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 10: and end all, they are relevant. And of course Chia

1083
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 10: doesn't imposed tariffs on us, the US is talking about

1084
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 10: doing exactly that thing.

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Speaker 3: How can you rule it out if it's not completely

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Speaker 3: clear what we're actually getting.

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Speaker 10: Well, the current government has already changed the wording around Aucus.

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Speaker 10: They've said that they now see themselves as a force

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Speaker 10: multiplier for the United States, you will call it. In

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Speaker 10: yester year, the National Party disagreed with us on our

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Speaker 10: stants in Iraq, said we should just follow Australia in

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Speaker 10: the US into that illegal war in Iraq, which has

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Speaker 10: made things worse in the region, not better. We think

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Speaker 10: it's better for us to chart our traditional independent course

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Speaker 10: and take our decisions case by case on what is

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Speaker 10: in the national interest in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but wouldn't taking a decision in a case by

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Speaker 3: case mode mean you actually waited to see what we

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Speaker 3: were getting out of this explicitly before making that call.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think we've had a number of public meetings

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Speaker 10: that we've hosted in New Zealand, from Australian's critical of Aucus,

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Speaker 10: from former New Zealand Prime ministers, from Pacific leaders expressing

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Speaker 10: their concern about AUCUST. You just can't sit and wait

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Speaker 10: forever until the National Party dumped this upon us without notice.

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Speaker 10: They certainly didn't campaign upon it at the last election.

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Speaker 10: It would be major chain in New Zealand's foreign policy

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Speaker 10: and we don't think it should happen.

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Speaker 3: So if the National Party or if the current government

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Speaker 3: signs up to WUCAS before the next election, will you

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Speaker 3: pull out of the deal?

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Speaker 10: Yes, we've said we would, but in terms of the

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Speaker 10: practicality of that, very little will have happened by then.

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Speaker 10: In the Pillar one submarines that are nuclear power that

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Speaker 10: Australia is purchasing, and that's controversial in Australia, they don't

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Speaker 10: arrive until the twenty thirties, so you know, next elections

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Speaker 10: what twenty twenty seven, sorry, twenty twenty six, so you

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00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 10: know it's by then. I don't think there will be

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Speaker 10: anything substantial that will have happened under August. Pillar Two's right.

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Speaker 3: So you definitely have put you will definitely withdraw New

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Speaker 3: Zealand from that agreement.

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Speaker 9: That's right.

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Speaker 10: Chris Hipkins has made that clear. We not only won't join,

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Speaker 10: we don't support New Zealand being in it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, while we got you. Is your wealth tax

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Speaker 3: do you think dead? Why did it get voted down

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Speaker 3: at the weekend?

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Speaker 10: Well, the Labor Party voted to continue work on two

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Speaker 10: streams of work. One was around a capital gas tax

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Speaker 10: and one was a wealth tax, so neither have been

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Speaker 10: fully committed to, but neither it did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but what did they also vote when it came

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Speaker 3: to progressing the wealth tax over the weekend? They voted

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Speaker 3: it down, right, They.

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Speaker 10: Voted on them exactly the same manner as there was

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Speaker 10: a vote on the capital gangstacks. There were two identical

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Speaker 10: reemants put out. Both were voted down in favor of

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Speaker 10: the Policy Council continued to work for and respected both options.

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Speaker 3: Do you expect the Policy Council to back the CGT

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Speaker 3: ahead of a wealth tax.

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Speaker 10: Well, look, I'm not going to speculate that today. I'm

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Speaker 10: just making clear the process from him.

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Speaker 3: Would you support a stamp duty? And principle, what are

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Speaker 3: the downsides and upsides to a stamp duty?

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Speaker 10: The position of the remnant that was passed that the

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Speaker 10: party was to look at the two options that we've

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Speaker 10: already spoken of and take other things off their gene.

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Speaker 3: Thanks your Tom, We appreciate it. That is David Parker

1148
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Speaker 3: with us this evening right now. It is eighteen to six.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, Local and

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Speaker 2: Global Exposure like Noah.

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Speaker 3: And on the huddle this evening, journalists cleared a law

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Speaker 3: and child fun CEO. Josie Bergani calder Chord. Yeah, there

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Speaker 3: we go, got the microphones on so ucus. It is

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Speaker 3: a bit unusual, is it not to have a division

1155
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Speaker 3: like this when it comes to foreign policy Josie, And

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00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 3: to have a party who's not in government ruling out

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Speaker 3: something that they initially supported investigating.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: I think it's a case of differentiating on as many

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Speaker 22: things as they can to get cut through. And I

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Speaker 22: think they're right on this. I think David Parker gave

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Speaker 22: a good defense of it there. Look, the Trump election

1163
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Speaker 22: made Aucust really complicated. He's going to do tariff's on us. Anyway,

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Speaker 22: what are we gaining by joining August Pillar two? And

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Speaker 22: I think we do kind of know what it is.

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Speaker 22: It's sharing military know how ie technology like AI drones

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Speaker 22: and so on, which we're kind of doing anyway, we

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Speaker 22: do it through five. And for me, the big thing is,

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Speaker 22: you know, independent foreign policy is probably going to matter

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Speaker 22: to us even more. We're not Australia. We're certainly not

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Speaker 22: the US. We've got a much bigger Pacific profile than Australia,

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Speaker 22: and our kind of center of gravity is really the Pacific,

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Speaker 22: and Pacific nations have been balancing this kind of global

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Speaker 22: tension between China and US for a lot longer than

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Speaker 22: we have. Actually, I mean, they're doing a better job

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Speaker 22: of it in some ways than us, and I think

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Speaker 22: we have to be really careful that we maintain that

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Speaker 22: kind of Pacific identity and that independence. And the other

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Speaker 22: thing is, you know, China isn't really our enemy at

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Speaker 22: the moment. You know, we've got a lot more threats

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Speaker 22: to New Zealand at the moment. We've got, you know, Russia, expanding,

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Speaker 22: expansionist Russia. We've got a dysfunctional un where the veto

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Speaker 22: just basically makes everything kind of hopeless.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 22: So we've got to look at the whole range of

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Speaker 22: threats to us and take our own position.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right, Okay, clear, it's always a dangerous

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Speaker 3: game to try and put yourself in in the mind

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Speaker 3: of Donald Trump. But is there a possibility that not

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Speaker 3: joining up to WACAS Pillar two is the difference between

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Speaker 3: New Zealand facing tariffs and not.

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Speaker 23: Well, that may be a factor. But I having listened

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Speaker 23: to David Parker, I'd have to say, I find myself

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Speaker 23: thinking we should be pursuing Aucus two to find out

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Speaker 23: what it could offer. He could not say what might

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Speaker 23: be in it that he so strongly envehemently disagrees with

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Speaker 23: that it's completely off the table. And we are now

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Speaker 23: getting a lot of pressure not just from say the

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Speaker 23: United States, but also Australia to lift our defense done

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Speaker 23: and we've sunk part of a naval capacity. Well, whatever

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Speaker 23: sort of cooperation and assistance we can technically have, I

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Speaker 23: think we need to keep exploring. We're falling very far

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Speaker 23: behind in a whole range of areas, and I think

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Speaker 23: a defense might be one. And I'm not saying we

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Speaker 23: should join Pillar two to try and sort of escape

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Speaker 23: the wroth of Donald Trump on another front. But if

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Speaker 23: it happened to have some positive effect, that's not a

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Speaker 23: bad thing too.

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Speaker 3: Well, it is it is on the on the onus

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Speaker 3: is on the supporters of ORCUST to actually explain what

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Speaker 3: we get out of this, right.

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Speaker 22: But also yeah, it's not yes they have, but also.

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Speaker 3: You think they have that.

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Speaker 22: No, I don't think that we know that. I mean, actually,

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Speaker 22: you know we know that Pillar one was sharing you know,

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Speaker 22: nuclear building, nuclear submarine, nuclear powered submarines. It's not nuclear weapons,

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Speaker 22: nuclear powered submarines, you know, with Australia and the UK

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Speaker 22: and Britain. But I think the thing about Pillar two

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Speaker 22: is we look in our region, the Pacific and also

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Speaker 22: Southeast Asia, where they're you know, doing what's called hedging, right,

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Speaker 22: they're not. They're trading with China. They're looking to get

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Speaker 22: the sort of back the rules based order of that's

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Speaker 22: headed by the US. We've got to do the same thing.

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Speaker 22: We've got to be careful not to sort of shoot

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Speaker 22: ourselves in the foot on trade and ironically China and

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Speaker 22: the US both want to join the TPP or if

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Speaker 22: you scoll it, the CPTPP. The TPP. I just said, yeah,

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Speaker 22: but they're going further apart on security, so they're kind

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Speaker 22: of hedging as well.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 22: So I think we have to be very politic about this,

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Speaker 22: and I think the Labour's position is right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Josie Bigani clear the law, our huddle this evening.

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Speaker 3: We're back in a couple of minutes. It's fourteen to six.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the

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Speaker 2: marketing of your home.

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Speaker 3: You're back with our huddle this evening, Clear law and

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Speaker 3: Josie Bgany so clear. Joe Biden has pardoned Hunter Biden

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Speaker 3: despite saying a thousand times that he wouldn't do. So

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Speaker 3: what do you think.

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Speaker 23: I think it's completely understandable. But I mean it's another

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Speaker 23: blow to his legacy, you know, which is just going

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Speaker 23: to be seen as as pretty hopeless and just a

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Speaker 23: blip in between two what will be and what was

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Speaker 23: volataile Trump administrations. And I really do sort of fear

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Speaker 23: for the comfort that Trump will take from this, because

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Speaker 23: he now, of course from the Supreme Court has topal immunity,

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Speaker 23: as I presume in fact Biden does now too. But

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Speaker 23: it just means that effectively the families, there's you know,

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Speaker 23: if you're going to get into a tip for Tate,

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Speaker 23: you did this, I did that, then Trump is going

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Speaker 23: to feel very empowered to partner his own family. I mean,

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Speaker 23: pardons are used as part of what's an overall clemency arrangement,

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Speaker 23: where presidents will either commuter sentence or grant pardon, and

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Speaker 23: they used very liberally sometimes. I mean in modern history

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Speaker 23: the two presidents have used them least often were the

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Speaker 23: the two Bushes, George and his and George JR. Obama

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Speaker 23: used them very liberally.

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Speaker 3: Of course. Yeah, it wasn't Bill Clinton when he was

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Speaker 3: like twelve hours before he left office or something something. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there is a history, is a history.

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Speaker 23: There's a big history of it. The most famous one,

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Speaker 23: of course, was Gerald Ford partnering Nixon in nineteen seventy

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Speaker 23: four over.

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Speaker 3: Watergate, which was different.

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Speaker 23: But you know, this is just like, here's another blow

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Speaker 23: to Biden. It just looks awful, doesn't it.

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Speaker 22: I understand it. As a mother, I mean, tell me

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Speaker 22: who to bribe, Tell me who to sleep with. I'll

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Speaker 22: do anything to certain children, right, but this just looks terrible.

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Speaker 22: I mean even Jesus didn't get a pardon from his dad.

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Speaker 16: You know.

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Speaker 22: It's just you can't just change the rule of law

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Speaker 22: like that. And he's when you campaigned on it. So

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Speaker 22: I definitely think he's campaigned on honesty, integrity, rule of law.

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Speaker 22: I definitely think that those politics behind the onslaught against

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Speaker 22: Hunter Biden, but he did so the politics got him

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Speaker 22: to court. He got to court, he was found guilty

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Speaker 22: by a court that's independent. So either you're saying the

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Speaker 22: justice system is independent or you're saying it's not. He's

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Speaker 22: now lost the high ground. The Democrats have lost the

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Speaker 22: high ground. Trump can not only pardon his own family,

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Speaker 22: he can he can say, well, I'm going to pardon

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Speaker 22: the January, the sixth insurrectionists, I'm going to pardon everybody

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Speaker 22: and anybody in my last administration. And the Democrats now

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Speaker 22: have no high ground.

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Speaker 23: Stars not much highground left.

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Speaker 3: There's not a lot of high ground low ground. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not sure that what aboutism is really going

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Speaker 3: to get us the worst position than already. And when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the US, now, the UK Master Chief

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Speaker 3: Host Greg Wallace is hit back at allegations and proper behavior,

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Speaker 3: blaming them on quote, middle class women of a certain

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Speaker 3: age and not casting any spirit and.

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Speaker 22: A downwardly mobile middle class woman of a certain age.

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Speaker 22: We're much more resilient than that, aren't we, clear?

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Speaker 24: Greg?

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Speaker 21: Oh?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, what the hell is he talking about the idea

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Speaker 22: that we'd be sort of wilting violets. But this is

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Speaker 22: a guy who was wandering around the studio totally naked

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Speaker 22: with the socks on his willy. I mean, that is

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Speaker 22: not good.

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Speaker 3: Behavior in the modern workplace, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 22: I'd be very worried. I wouldn't be offended, I'd be

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Speaker 22: worried for your mental health. But he's just making this

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Speaker 22: so much.

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Speaker 23: Soul and he will lose this job. He will not

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Speaker 23: be employed bra anyone else.

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Speaker 22: Master Chef host is certainly not serving humble pie, is he?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 23: Absolutely?

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Speaker 13: Not?

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Speaker 3: Very quickly to Papa. You know how they're charging international

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Speaker 3: visitors thirty five bucks a visit. In two months, they've

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Speaker 3: made seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Do you reckon

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Speaker 3: the shows that we should actually be charging international visitors

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Speaker 3: a little bit more?

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Speaker 23: I think it's fantastic. I wouldn't charge more.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, not more for to Papa, but I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, for visiting New Zealand, like we should, we

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Speaker 3: should be charging for other museums.

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Speaker 21: Right.

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Speaker 23: Well, I think you go into a lot of museums

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Speaker 23: in the world and they're free, but there are a

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Speaker 23: whole bunch of places where you do pay. And I

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01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 23: think we just need to actually start looking at all

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Speaker 23: revenue streams. I'd be kind of interested to know what

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Speaker 23: the visitor figures were and what the pushback was from

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Speaker 23: some people. But hey, that seems to me to have

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Speaker 23: been a pretty two months.

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Speaker 3: Yes, very I.

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Speaker 22: Think it's a really bad look to charge tourists more

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Speaker 22: than locals. It just looks like, you know, he's Topapa,

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Speaker 22: where we tell the stories about our nationhood and about

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Speaker 22: who we are. It's like the Treaty House in WAITEITANGI

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Speaker 22: they wanted to charge tourists to come in to see

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Speaker 22: our founding document You imagine that in Philadelphia of you

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01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 22: going in to see the founding documents.

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Speaker 3: American in America.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, but you don't it's free.

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Speaker 23: There is no there is no central funding national trust.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's remarkable. Hey, thank you so much. We're going

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Speaker 3: to keep moving, but thank you for your time this morning,

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Speaker 3: this evening, our huddle, this evening on Newstalks, he'd be

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Speaker 3: Cleared Law and Josie Bcganney. It's seven to six on Newstalks, he'd.

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Speaker 2: Be red or blue, Trump or Harris? Who will win

1348
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 2: the battleground states? The latest on the US election, it's

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Speaker 2: Heather duple Cy Alan drive with one New Zealand let's

1350
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 2: get connected.

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Speaker 1: US Talks B, News Talks B.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your feedback this evening. Jack.

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01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: I really hope labor will vote for a wealth tax.

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01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 3: It will put a final nail and Labour's coffin they'll

1355
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 3: never return to the government benches again, says John Jack,

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01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 3: regarding your comments this evening on the capital gains tax,

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Speaker 3: It's nice to hear someone at News Talks he'd be

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Speaker 3: with a balanced approach to a CGT. There are lots

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Speaker 3: of benefits to the tax, including people investing in more

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Speaker 3: productive parts of the economy. I do think that is

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Speaker 3: worthy of some interest, and it's not just related to

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Speaker 3: a CGT. It's just a when it comes to our

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Speaker 3: tax priorities generally. I mean, for example, would you not

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Speaker 3: think that maybe instead of some of the tax cuts

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Speaker 3: we've had so far, we could look at changes to

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01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 3: the corporate tax rate to try and encourage people to

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Speaker 3: invest in more productive assets. Hey, very quickly, just news

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Speaker 3: out of Biosecurity Minister Andrew Hoggard's office this evening. All

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Speaker 3: poultry exports are on hold until New Zealand is free

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Speaker 3: of the highly pathogenic bird flu that's been detected at

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Speaker 3: Amoy Ducky egg farm. We're going to have more details

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Speaker 3: for you on that situation in the news very shortly.

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Speaker 3: Right after the six cock news, Finance Minister Nikola Willis

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01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 3: will be this with us. Plus we'll talk to Tipapa

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Speaker 3: about the benefits of charging thirty five bucks to every

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Speaker 3: foreign visitor. News is next, though it's almost six o'clock.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jack Tame and this is newstalg z EDB.

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Speaker 2: We have business inside the business hour with Jack Tame

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Speaker 2: and my hr on NEWSTALKSB.

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Speaker 3: New Storks hed vit you with Jack Tayman for Heather.

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Speaker 3: She recovers from what I hope isn't too serious of

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Speaker 3: an illness. Hey, a few weeks ago I had the

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Speaker 3: great fortune of going to Apec in Peru, of all

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Speaker 3: places in Lima, Peru. It was my first time in Peru,

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Speaker 3: and while I was there, I had about eight hours

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Speaker 3: of downtime. So what did I do with my eight

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Speaker 3: hours of downtime? Very simple? I looked for recommendations for

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Speaker 3: museums across the city and I ended up. I ended

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Speaker 3: up going to an erotic pottery museum. It's not every

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Speaker 3: day you do that. Tell you what in the Instagram

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Speaker 3: account for this erotic pottery museum? My goodness, it's really

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Speaker 3: it's got a hard sell, hard being the operative word

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Speaker 3: there anyway, kidding. It cost me twenty bucks, which is

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Speaker 3: more than dinner cost me in Lima. But it was

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Speaker 3: funny because I was traveling. It's not the sort of

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Speaker 3: thing I would usually do, spend twenty bucks going to

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Speaker 3: a pottery museum, especially in erotic pottery museum. But I

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Speaker 3: decided to do it because I was traveling, and I

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Speaker 3: guess to Papa has been vindicated in some specs by

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Speaker 3: doing the same thing. Not that they have erotic pottery,

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Speaker 3: but simply because they are charging international tourists thirty five

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Speaker 3: bucks to visit to Papa and they've made seven hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty grand in just two months. So we're going

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Speaker 3: to talk to to Papa before seven o'clock this evening

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Speaker 3: about how that's working and whether or not any international

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Speaker 3: tourist who otherwise would be going are deciding that actually

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Speaker 3: thirty five bucks is too steep. They're going to be

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Speaker 3: with us very shortly. Right now, it is eight past six,

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Speaker 3: in time to catch up with Finance Minister Nicola willis

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Speaker 3: you a good evening?

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Speaker 1: And Jack?

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Speaker 3: Did you indulge in the Black Friday sales at all?

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Speaker 3: Was it your cup of tea?

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Speaker 21: No?

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Speaker 19: Not really my kind of thing, but good on those

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Speaker 19: who did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think the yeah, there's not only much

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Speaker 3: you can read into it. Apparently we had more transactions

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01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 3: than last year, but with a slightly lower cost, so

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Speaker 3: it's about even with last year, which I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Can you read anything into that when it comes to

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Speaker 3: our economic progress?

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Speaker 16: Ah?

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Speaker 24: Well, look, I think a lot of people leave this

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01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 24: Christmas shopping to a bit later, don't they, And that's

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Speaker 24: when we all part with our precious dollars. So people

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Speaker 24: will be gearing up for that, and I know many

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01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 24: New Zealanders will share my view that if you can

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01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 24: spend it at a local business on a local product.

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Speaker 3: You should very good now. Interest rates the ocr has

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01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 3: drop fifty basis points, but we haven't seen a whole

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01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 3: lot of movement from the banks when it comes to

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Speaker 3: fixed term rates over the last five or six days.

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Speaker 3: Are you surprised by that at all?

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Speaker 24: Well, look, banks always have a choice about how much

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Speaker 24: they pass on, and I'd always rather see it in

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01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 24: Kiwi's pockets than padding the bottom line of Australian banks.

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Speaker 24: But of course you know many of them will have

1439
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 24: priced it in already. This year you have seen significant

1440
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Speaker 24: drops across the board. There was a peak for one

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01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 24: year fixed term rates of seven point three four four

1442
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Speaker 24: percent in January. That's now down to five point nine

1443
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 24: one four percent at the rates vary. I see that

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Speaker 24: there are some banks advertising five point four nine for

1445
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 24: a two year fix. So in all of these things,

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01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 24: I shouldn't give advice, but always shop around. Refixing your

1447
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 24: mortgage makes sure you get the best rate possible, because

1448
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,839
Speaker 24: that is real money into your bank account.

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Speaker 3: What did you think of Labour's call regarding Orcus.

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Speaker 24: I was surprised by that because it seemed premature to me.

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01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 19: Let's remember that.

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01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 24: It was Labor who started the discussions about Pillar two

1453
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 24: of UCUS back in twenty twenty one. No one's ever

1454
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 24: talked about joining the first pillar, but exploring how we

1455
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 24: could cooperate on technology was something labor kicked off, and

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01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 24: I was surprised that while those discussions are still ongoing,

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01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 24: they would come to a view. And what it said

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01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 24: to me is, rather than taking a cool, calm view

1459
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 24: of New Zealand's national interests, Chris Hopkins is putting the

1460
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 24: views of his labor activists first. I think he's a

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01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 24: leader under pressure.

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Speaker 3: What would we actually get out of joining Pillar two?

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Speaker 3: Do you think that case has been sufficiently made?

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Speaker 24: Well, that's what we're continuing to explore, Jack, which is

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01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 24: exactly what you would expect us to do, because it's

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01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 24: too soon to say at this stage. And what the

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01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 24: Foreign Minister and the Prime Minister have been doing is

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01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,480
Speaker 24: working with Australia in the UK and US to understand

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01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 24: how we could work with them in it and whether

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01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 24: there would be advantages to New Zealand. It's about technology

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Speaker 24: and it's about maintaining security for New Zealand and what

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01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 24: is an increasingly contested region of the world.

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Speaker 3: So David Parker said to us before six o'clock this

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01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 3: evening that increasingly it's become obvious that ORCUS is simply

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01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 3: an effort to contain China. Is he right?

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01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 24: Well, I don't see it that way. These are cooperation.

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Speaker 24: This is a cooperation agreement between three countries who are

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 24: looking to preserve security in the world. As I say,

1479
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Speaker 24: it's a process that Labor began back in twenty twenty one,

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01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 24: which we've continued, and we are doing so with New

1481
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 24: Zealand's best interests first and.

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Speaker 19: Foremost in our minds.

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Speaker 24: And I think it's the right thing to do to

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01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 24: let that process run through into so prematurely come to

1485
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 24: a decision based on a remit at a Labor Party

1486
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 24: conference that just suggests that Labor are putting politics ahead

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Speaker 24: of the national interest.

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01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 3: I was speaking to a security analyst in DC a

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Speaker 3: month or so ago, and we were talking about UCUS

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Speaker 3: and the implications for the Pacific and he said that

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Speaker 3: from his perspective, the thing that was being missed in

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Speaker 3: some of the ORCUST discourse so far was that there

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01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,799
Speaker 3: would be really significant economic benefits potentially for New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: that some of this technology could be used by private

1495
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 3: industry to actually benefit our economy. So when will New

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Speaker 3: Zealanders have a really good idea of what Pillar two

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01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 3: would actually entail. It seems to me that's absolutely critical.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, well, look, I'm sure we will in the coming months,

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Speaker 24: and that is those are conversations that the Defence Minister,

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Speaker 24: the Minister of fran I here's the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 19: Are regularly engaged in. And you're right.

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Speaker 24: Look, our security relationships go to not just our safety

1503
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 24: in the world and our ability to protect the values

1504
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 24: that we stand for, but also of course evocantly, they

1505
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 24: do impact training relationships, They do impact who our businesses

1506
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 24: operate with and on what basis, And so we need

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01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,719
Speaker 24: to weigh up all of that and as I say,

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01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 24: we think it would be wrong to have a knee

1509
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 24: jerk reaction at this early interval. We need to assess

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01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 24: the information and weigh it up against what's best for kiwis.

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Speaker 3: Would you consider underwriting the risk of fossil fuel exploration

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Speaker 3: like the oil and gas industry ask you to in July.

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Speaker 24: Well, I've actually recused myself from decision making on that matter,

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Speaker 24: and that is a matter that I have delegated to

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Speaker 24: the Associate Minister for Finance, Chris Bishop.

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Speaker 19: And obviously the Cabinet as a whole.

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Speaker 3: Can we ask why, Yes.

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Speaker 24: That's because I'm complying with the Cabinet Manual in terms

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Speaker 24: of how we manage any perceived conflicts and interest.

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Speaker 3: Right, okay, what is the perceived conflict of interest there?

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Speaker 19: Well, per the Cabinet Manual.

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Speaker 24: I'm not going to disclose or go into the detail

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Speaker 24: of that so much as to say that New Zealanders

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01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 24: can be assured that I have made the decision that

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Speaker 24: I should recuse myself from that decision so that I

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Speaker 24: can be free from any accusations of bus. I always

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01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 24: put New Zealand's interests first, and if that means recusing

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Speaker 24: myself in some matters, then I will.

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Speaker 3: Is the government's investment one hundred and fifteen million bucks

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Speaker 3: into sold the zero? Is that gone? Pease?

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Speaker 19: Yeah? Look, this is the New Zealand Green Investment Fund.

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Speaker 24: Which was started by the previous government and which was

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Speaker 24: intentionally set out pretty independent of ministers in its decision making.

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Speaker 24: So they've told me they made one hundred and forty

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Speaker 24: five million dollar capital commitment and that to date one

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01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 24: hundred and fifteen million has been drawn down in subordinated lending.

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Speaker 19: What they are now trying.

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Speaker 24: To do is work out how much is at risk,

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01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 24: and they tell me that they first need to understand

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Speaker 24: the advice from the legal and insolvency advisors. It's really

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Speaker 24: important to me. One, I'm really concerned that everyone who's

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Speaker 24: lost their job here at a terrible time, just before Christmas.

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Speaker 19: That's really rough.

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Speaker 24: So I want to un stand what has gone on.

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Speaker 24: And the second thing I want to understand is are

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Speaker 24: all steps being taken to protect tax payers money? And

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Speaker 24: was this a prudent investment to have made. So I

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Speaker 24: will be meeting with the New Zealand Green Investment Fund

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Speaker 24: later this week to ask those questions, as you would

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Speaker 24: expect me to do.

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Speaker 3: Your surplus definitely delayed, right, No, I haven't heard anyone

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 3: saying it's going to be saying at twenty seven twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: We're looking at twenty eight twenty nine minimum.

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Speaker 21: Right.

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Speaker 24: Well, I make an announced about the forecasts on the

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Speaker 24: seventeenth of December and that's when I will share them

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Speaker 24: with the New Zealand is Can.

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Speaker 3: You tell us when you make a decision on the

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Speaker 3: inter islander replacement or the future of the replacement theory

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Speaker 3: as well?

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Speaker 24: Not long to wait Jack will be coming out with

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Speaker 24: our plans for safe, reliable ferry crossings into the future

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Speaker 24: in the coming weeks.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your time. We appreciate it. Finance Minister

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Speaker 3: Nikola willis with us this evening. Ninety two to ninety

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Speaker 3: two is the text number if you want to send

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Speaker 3: us a message Jacket Newsalk ZB dot co dot NZ.

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Speaker 3: Right now it's sixteen past.

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Speaker 2: Six Analysis from the experts bringing you everything you need

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Speaker 2: to know on the US election. It's the Business Hour

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01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 2: with Heather Duplicy, Alan and my Hr Ehr Solution for

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01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 2: busy SMEs used talks.

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Speaker 1: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen past six you with Jack Tame on News Talks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be Shane Solely from Harbor Asset Managements with us

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01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 3: this evening, go to Shane aj. Let's take a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a look at the markets and are we

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01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 3: at maximum Trump government policy uncertainty for the capital markets.

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Speaker 3: How have the capital markets reacted to recent US policy announcements.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the quick quick stadments. We're not sure,

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Speaker 4: you know, we haven't seen everything that could come down

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Speaker 4: the line. But what we're seeing is, you know, President

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01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 4: elect Trump has policy announced. They' certainly causing some choppiness

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Speaker 4: in capital markets, but the trend has actually been more

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Speaker 4: positive than the headlines. We actually saw the US she market,

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Speaker 4: for example, up just under six percent of November. And

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Speaker 4: one of the things that happened in the later in

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Speaker 4: the month was mister Trump picked a guy called Scott

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Speaker 4: percent to be Treasury Secretary, and he was taken as

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Speaker 4: being a sort of as in the choice that might

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Speaker 4: could stabilize markets and be a little more considered on

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Speaker 4: terms of tariffs and tax cuts. He actually saw long

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Speaker 4: term bond.

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Speaker 1: Yards full sheer marka go up.

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Speaker 4: But then of course mister Trump doubled down with his

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Speaker 4: discussion about putting tariffs additional terrorists in China, which we

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Speaker 4: had already thought about, but then slipping out of twenty

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Speaker 4: five percent tariffs on Canada and Mexico, and that really

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Speaker 4: got people excited. And obviously he's targeting migrants and legal

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Speaker 4: drugs came across the borders. That that push to add

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Speaker 4: tariffs on to Canada and Mexico has implications for supply chains,

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01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 4: even for companies like Fisher and pip Bolca that manufacture

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Speaker 4: out of Mexico. So yeah, it's we're in for a

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Speaker 4: few more weeks of policy announcements that could surprise investors.

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Speaker 4: A good example is, you know, whether Robert IF Kennedy

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Speaker 4: Junior gets confirmed as the Department of Health and Human Services,

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Speaker 4: and that would cause a little bit of uncertainty for investors.

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Speaker 4: I think probably that we've got to keep watching our

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01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 4: Trump media Truths social media platform to find out what

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Speaker 4: mister Trump's.

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Speaker 5: Going to think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, back home, Jane, are you seeing signs that the

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Speaker 3: New Zealand economy might just be reawakening from its slumber

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Speaker 3: a recent Reserve bank rate cuts driving more consumer and

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Speaker 3: business confidence.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I think you know it's a good point

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Speaker 4: you raised, Jack. We have sort of weathered one of

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Speaker 4: the tougher central bank interest rate increased cycles globally when

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Speaker 4: we look around the world, we really took a bitter medicine.

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Speaker 4: But more recently we've seen business and consumer confidence bounced

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Speaker 4: back in the last few weeks. That is certainly Reserve

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01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 4: bank and cutting official rates that reduces the interest costs

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Speaker 4: for borrowers, But there might be a couple of other

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01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 4: factors giving us a bit of a boost as well.

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Speaker 4: You know, diairy pretty solid dairy season, an unusual combination

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Speaker 4: of higher volume production and good firm pricing. And yes,

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Speaker 4: the dairy farmers out there will be telling me, yes,

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Speaker 4: the cost of producing a gone up, but it's still

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Speaker 4: a benefit and that may trickle down. We are seeing

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Speaker 4: some signs of recovery in China's economic activity. It's not

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Speaker 4: huge yet, but even over the weekend we saw these

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Speaker 4: lead It indicates there's purchasing manager and this is they

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Speaker 4: were up above fifty, which it suggests the economies at

1634
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Speaker 4: least expanding again after some of the stimulus that's announced.

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Speaker 4: And then finally we've had a bit of a next

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Speaker 4: lot of data on construction activity in New Zealand. We

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Speaker 4: saw October building permits down five point two percent of

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Speaker 4: the month, down to almost sixteen percent for the twelve

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Speaker 4: months of October to thirty two thousand starts here in

1640
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Speaker 4: New Zealand of homes. But against that, we've also seen

1641
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Speaker 4: a Reserve Bank US how marge landing starting to pick up,

1642
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 4: which you saw a thirty percent increase in October on

1643
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Speaker 4: the same month in twenty twenty three where investors actually

1644
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 4: shown a bit of spy. So it's mixed, but we

1645
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 4: are seeing the some green shoots coming through. And now

1646
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 4: Sharmaker here not as exciting as the US market was

1647
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 4: actually up three point four percent over the month of November,

1648
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Speaker 4: so the market looks forward.

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Speaker 3: Now there's so what announcements are you keeping an eye

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Speaker 3: on this week?

1651
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it's going to be another week where we

1652
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 4: watch what happens to the US data, particularly job opening

1653
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 4: data out tomorrow and on Friday. This this is called

1654
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 4: the payroll data, and this is all about getting some

1655
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 4: medications for what the US Federal Reserve, which is the

1656
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 4: US Central Bank, might do with official rates on the

1657
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 4: adeenth of December, and the market sort of unwound expectations

1658
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 4: of big cuts. Is only about twenty or point two

1659
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Speaker 4: of a percent cut in priced in now, so that'll

1660
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Speaker 4: be interesting. Wednesday, We've got secret you can look data

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Speaker 4: out of Australia and China, obviously two key trade partners

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Speaker 4: for the New Zealand. We've also got some company years,

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Speaker 4: similarly the dairy producer, which is seen a little bit

1664
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 4: of financial pressure recently then due to report to the

1665
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 4: annual share to meet on Wednesday. We've also going to

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Speaker 4: invest to day from Somerset, the retirement village operate on Wednesday,

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Speaker 4: and again that might get a bit of an insight

1668
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Speaker 4: into their future. Friday we wrap up with doesn't sound

1669
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 4: very exciting, but it's actually quite important. There is the

1670
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 4: Australian SMPA six two hundred index, which is the main

1671
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 4: benchmark Australian investors used to decide what she is to

1672
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 4: enlist them. And there's some suggestion that Flitcher Building has

1673
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 4: spark could be removed from that, which makes you see

1674
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 4: some more selling than those two stocks from Australian investors.

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01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 4: So yeah, busy week.

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Speaker 3: Jack, Yeah, very good. Hey, thanks Shane, appreciate it. Shane

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Speaker 3: Solid there from Harbor Asset Management. Right now it's twenty

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Speaker 3: three pars six.

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Speaker 1: Croaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2: It's Jack team with the Business Hour thanks to my HR,

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Speaker 2: the HR solution for busy Smy's on News Talks FB.

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Speaker 3: And in the last few minutes's got new numbers out of

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Speaker 3: the Post and fresh Water Strategies which is a big

1684
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Speaker 3: international polling company. So new polling data and it's not

1685
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Speaker 3: great news for Christopher Luxon. So at the moment, according

1686
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Speaker 3: to the latest poll, Nationals at thirty four percent, down

1687
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Speaker 3: four percentage points since last year. Labour's at thirty one,

1688
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Speaker 3: the Greens at thirteen, up one, Act at eight, down one,

1689
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Speaker 3: New Zealand first at six to Party Maldi at four.

1690
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Speaker 3: What's really interesting is to look at the preferred prime

1691
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Speaker 3: minister numbers right now. So Christopher Luxen is sitting at

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Speaker 3: forty one percent, Christopher hip Chris Hipkins sitting at forty

1693
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Speaker 3: two percent. So if you compare that to twenty twenty three,

1694
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 3: in the same poles numbers in twenty twenty three, Christopher

1695
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 3: Luxan is down to Chris Hipkins is down three. But

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Speaker 3: it's surprising that you see chriss Hipkins that high. I

1697
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 3: think not totally convinced by those numbers. You know, sometimes

1698
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 3: you get a pole, and I mean all poles are

1699
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Speaker 3: just a point in time, and I'm a little bit

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01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 3: skeptical about poles, to be honest at the best of times.

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01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 3: That doesn't feel quite right to me. Anyway, I'm sure

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Speaker 3: Labor will be celebrating that, taking any good news they

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Speaker 3: can get. At the moment, after six point thirty on

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Speaker 3: News doalks ZEDB, We're going to take you to the

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Speaker 3: UK and we will take you to the coolest little

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Speaker 3: capital where, of course to Papa is now charging thirty

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Speaker 3: five bucks a pop for international visitors who want to

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Speaker 3: visit our national Museum. It is bringing in a whole

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Speaker 3: lot of revenue though seven hundred and fifty grand in

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Speaker 3: two months. News is next. You're Jack Tame on News

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Speaker 3: doorg zedb.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing.

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Speaker 2: Economics, it's all on the business hours with Jack Tam

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Speaker 2: and my HR the HR solution for busy SMS, new stalks.

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Speaker 25: EV you talk that you were Jack Tame.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your messages this evening ah an obvious

1717
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 3: one here Blair has flipped me a note to say Jack,

1718
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 3: great to hear that you went to an erotic pottery museum,

1719
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 3: but he didn't tell us was it worth it? Twenty

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Speaker 3: bucks feels pretty steep here. To be honest, I don't

1721
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Speaker 3: know what the going rate is for your average erotic

1722
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Speaker 3: pottery museum. I attended erotic pottery museum. It cost about

1723
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Speaker 3: twenty bucks. It was one of the most expensive things

1724
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Speaker 3: that I did in my few days while in Peru

1725
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Speaker 3: covering APEC this year. It was well worth it, in

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Speaker 3: my opinion, it was well worth it. You weren't supposed

1727
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 3: to take many photographs, but I did take a couple

1728
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 3: and they're going to be you know photos that I

1729
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 3: cherished for the rest of my life, memories that I

1730
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 3: cherished for the rest of my life. I did manage

1731
01:23:59,960 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 3: to convince a few other journos to come with me,

1732
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 3: and I think, to be totally fair, not all of

1733
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 3: them were as satisfied its spending twenty dollars on an

1734
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 3: erotic pottery museum. Not all of them thought it was

1735
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 3: a great spend. All of them thought it was a

1736
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 3: very memorable experience. The reason we are discussing this, of course,

1737
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 3: is that that wasn't the only museum around that's charging

1738
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 3: foreigners for a bit of a visit to Papa might

1739
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 3: be showing the rest of the country just how to

1740
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 3: generate some extra income. It's now been two months since

1741
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 3: the National Museum started charging overseas visitors thirty five dollars

1742
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 3: per visit, and it has made seven hundred and fifty

1743
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 3: thousand dollars during that time, and we're only now are

1744
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 3: just coming into the busy season. Kate camp is tip

1745
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 3: up as spokesperson and she's with us this evening. Kelder,

1746
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 3: Good evening, Keilda.

1747
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,879
Speaker 21: I'm not sure if I can compete with the Peruvian

1748
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:50,679
Speaker 21: erotic pottery.

1749
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 3: I would do my best look. You know, Tapapa has

1750
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 3: other attractions. You know, you just got to play your strengths,

1751
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 3: and apparently that's what the strengths were in that part

1752
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 3: of the world. It was it was I've been to

1753
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 3: a lot of museums in my time, as I'm sure

1754
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 3: you have, Kate, but it was it was certainly one

1755
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 3: to remember. It was, yeah, we don't need to get

1756
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 3: into too much to do. It was surprisingly explicit if

1757
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 3: I'm perfect, Well.

1758
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 21: You put that on your trip advisory.

1759
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I was like, wow, they've really okay, yeah, right,

1760
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 3: they're okay, yep. The indigenous people here really leaned into

1761
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 3: their int their you know, to their explicit erotic pottery. Anyway,

1762
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 3: is this about how much you expected to make? Seven

1763
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty grand and two months feels like a

1764
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 3: lot of money.

1765
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 21: It does, and it is pretty much in line with

1766
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 21: what we expected to make. In fact, we're at ninety

1767
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 21: seven percent of what our projection was. So I take

1768
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 21: my hat off to our finance boffins because they struck

1769
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 21: it pretty much on the nail, which is not actually

1770
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 21: an easy thing to do because given that to Papa

1771
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 21: has always been free inchy, you know, it's free inchry

1772
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 21: for the New Zealanders. Now we're charging internationals. But in

1773
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 21: the past we've never known precisely how many New Zealanders

1774
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 21: versus internetationals were coming in because they went passing through

1775
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 21: any kind of a turnstyle or anything at entry. So

1776
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 21: I think that we've done really well in terms of

1777
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 21: what the income we've been able to generate and in

1778
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 21: terms of yeah, our predictions are pretty much played out

1779
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 21: as expected.

1780
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 3: Well, I suppose you not only can you is it

1781
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 3: hard to quantify exactly how many international tourists you have.

1782
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 3: It's also hard to quantify how many might not come

1783
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 3: in if they don't want to pay thirty five bucks, right, Yeah, I.

1784
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 21: Mean we're doing very close observation, which includes observing people

1785
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 21: who might come up to the door and see that

1786
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 21: they need to pay and then walk away. You know,

1787
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 21: we took advice from our friends at Auckland Museum and

1788
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 21: other places around the country around what things to look

1789
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:43,440
Speaker 21: out for. But in the end, mostly what we're experiencing

1790
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 21: is our international visitors are pretty happy to pay. They

1791
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 21: based on our research that we're doing a lot of

1792
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 21: interviews with people as they're leaving the museum, they seem

1793
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 21: pretty comfortable.

1794
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, So how did you decide on that price point.

1795
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 21: It was based on research on you know, other attractions

1796
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 21: in New Zealand. I mean, Tapapa has been number one

1797
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 21: on New Zealand's Tourist Attractions for a long time now,

1798
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 21: and we're number one in the South Pacific Entrip Advisor

1799
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 21: as well. So we believe and I think the evidence

1800
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 21: shows that we've got a really great product. So we

1801
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 21: needed to compare ourselves against other things. You've got Auckland

1802
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 21: Museum it's thirty two dollars for internationals, Waitangi Treaty Grounds

1803
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 21: is sixty dollars for internationals, and Tapuia the geffrmal Valley

1804
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 21: recently moved to a model where it's tour only and

1805
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 21: that's now ninety five dollars entry. So you know, the

1806
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 21: tourism industry in New Zealand is a it's a rich

1807
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 21: area in the sense of there's a lot going on,

1808
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 21: but also by definition, when you're an international visitor coming

1809
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 21: to New Zealand, you're looking for these in depth, once

1810
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 21: in the lifetime experiences. You're not here for a cheap

1811
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 21: and cheerful holiday. For most of our visitors and there.

1812
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 3: I suggest that not want to want to go on

1813
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 3: about the Erotic Pottery Museum too. But if you've my

1814
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 3: editue was like traveled this far. You know, it's like, oh,

1815
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 3: twenty bucks seems like a lot, but it's like, oh,

1816
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 3: you've traveled, you've traveled this far, you've come. If you've

1817
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 3: come to New Zealand, you've traveled from the other side

1818
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 3: of the world, you spent thousands of dollars on the

1819
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 3: air fears, then then maybe actually the thirty five dollars

1820
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 3: is palatable. So what happens how do you work out

1821
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 3: who's an overseas visitor and who's not.

1822
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 21: So it was really important to us when we implemented

1823
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 21: it that the process be really easy for our New

1824
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 21: Zealand visitors who are free. So that was very much

1825
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 21: top of mind in terms of the entry procedure. So

1826
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 21: we as people they bowl in the doors and they

1827
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 21: agree to buy a host saying hey, we're joining us

1828
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 21: from today. If they say Grost Church or wherever, we

1829
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,680
Speaker 21: say great, up you go. If they say I'm here

1830
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 21: from New York or Berlin or wherever else in the world,

1831
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 21: they go through to the ticketing Q. So it is

1832
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 21: based on people's self declaration of where they're from, and

1833
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 21: we're finding that's working really well. I mean, I'm sure

1834
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 21: there'll be one or two cheeky people who slipped through

1835
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,799
Speaker 21: the cracks, but for us, what's more important is making

1836
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,919
Speaker 21: the experience really smooth and welcoming for all of our visitors.

1837
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 21: And you know, it's a numbers game in the end

1838
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 21: of it. If a couple of cheeky backpackickers get through

1839
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 21: on a busy Saturday, that's not the end of the

1840
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 21: world from our point of view.

1841
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. Are there people who like get there

1842
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 3: and say, you know what, I really want to look in,

1843
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:16,680
Speaker 3: but thirty five bucks is too much for me.

1844
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 21: I'm sure there'll be the odd one. There hasn't been

1845
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 21: that many, and from the reporting i've seen back from

1846
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 21: on the floor. The other thing is it's a forty

1847
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 21: eight hour ticket. So we do get people often who'll

1848
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 21: come at the end of the day and say, well,

1849
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 21: I'm not sure I've really got time, but then they

1850
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 21: can come back the following day so get their moneyes

1851
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 21: with because i mean, most people who visit to Papa

1852
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 21: spend multiple hours there. It's you know, it's not a

1853
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 21: quick look there's a lot to see and so you know,

1854
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 21: we think that they're definitely getting their money's worth.

1855
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, what does the money go towards.

1856
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 21: I just goes towards supporting the work that Papa does.

1857
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 21: We're funded by government to the tune of forty four

1858
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 21: million a year and we need to raise another thirty

1859
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 21: million a year just to stand still. So if you've

1860
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 21: looked at your insurance and power bills this year, you

1861
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 21: probably had to sharpen take a breath. Well, you can

1862
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 21: imagine for us, with you know, building the size of

1863
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 21: twenty six rugby fields, the cost of living for to

1864
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 21: Pappa is very, very intense. So for us, it's just

1865
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 21: a pragmatic decision of what can we do to keep

1866
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 21: to Pupper free from New Zealanders, keep the experience at

1867
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 21: that high quality. And we're doing all the other things too.

1868
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 21: I mean, what you see on the floor is just

1869
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 21: the tip of the iceberg. We've got two point two

1870
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 21: million items to look after in the back of house,

1871
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:33,879
Speaker 21: be they you know, dried up cicadas or Shackleton's sleds.

1872
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 21: So you know, there's a lot of other things that

1873
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 21: power the museum behind the scenes, and you know, all

1874
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 21: of those things require money to keep them going.

1875
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 3: So you made seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in

1876
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 3: about two months, so it's about four point five million

1877
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 3: a year, or are you expecting to make a bit

1878
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,679
Speaker 3: more than that because we haven't entered the busy season

1879
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 3: just yet.

1880
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 21: Well, we haven't entered the busy season, but equally we

1881
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 21: haven't been through the winter season yet, probably even out

1882
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 21: over the years. So we were very cautious in making

1883
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 21: any projections when we started out, and we're still pretty

1884
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 21: cautious because you know, we're only a few months into

1885
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 21: something that's brand new. But yeah, we think several million

1886
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 21: a year will be a reasonable amount to expect, and

1887
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 21: that can you go towards supporting all of the work

1888
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 21: we do, then that's awesome.

1889
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 3: Do you wish you to introduce the charges maybe a

1890
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 3: bit earlier?

1891
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 19: I don't know.

1892
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 21: I suffer from this thing in life where anytime I

1893
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 21: do something good, I think God, I should have done

1894
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 21: this twenty years ago. So maybe it's an age thing.

1895
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:34,560
Speaker 21: So I don't know. I just feel like this is

1896
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 21: a time when to Papa has probably become We've been

1897
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 21: through our early early childhood years. Now we've entered out

1898
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 21: in our national Treasure phase and I think New Zealand

1899
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 21: has known us so well as this free attraction, and

1900
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 21: I think they probably realized that now is the right

1901
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 21: time for us to do this for internationals so that

1902
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 21: we can stay free for Kiwis because you know, I mean,

1903
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 21: you guys own to Papa, you own all the collections,

1904
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 21: you own the building, you know, so it's really important

1905
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 21: that New Zealanders can always come for three.

1906
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that makes you know, makes total sense? Hey,

1907
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 3: number one on trip Advisory.

1908
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 21: Well that's something. Yeah, it's something that many places aspire to.

1909
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 21: But we've got stuff competition out there, from Melford Sound

1910
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 21: to Hobbiton. It's a real mixed bag. Who are competing

1911
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 21: for that title?

1912
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,320
Speaker 3: Did do you have to like? Yeah? Do you have

1913
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 3: to do you have to do stuff for that? Do

1914
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 3: you have to like if people write a riven you

1915
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,719
Speaker 3: do you have to go on and say, oh, sorry, Gary,

1916
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 3: you know.

1917
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 21: Sorry about that. Gary. I did have one the other

1918
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 21: day where someone gave us a negative review because while

1919
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 21: they're at the cafe, someone bumped into the back of

1920
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:37,719
Speaker 21: their chair, which I did think was a little harsh.

1921
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 21: But I think for us it's about the experience, the

1922
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 21: quality of the experience and the interactions that people have

1923
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 21: it to Papa, And when you read the reviews, it's

1924
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 21: often they'll say, oh, an amazing host told me something

1925
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 21: I would never have known otherwise, or you know that

1926
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 21: personal touch is really important. And I think that's one

1927
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 21: thing that's quite nice about having introduced the charge is

1928
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 21: that part of that entry now is that basically every

1929
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 21: single person who comes in needs to be greeted. And

1930
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 21: I actually think that creates a more welcoming vibe when

1931
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 21: people come in the door.

1932
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:12,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh fantastic. Thanks for your time, Kate, We really

1933
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 3: appreciate it. It is tipup a spokesperson, Kate Camp. Thank

1934
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 3: you for your feedback as well.

1935
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 5: Jack.

1936
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 3: Regarding erotic pottery, it must be a common thing in

1937
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:21,799
Speaker 3: that part of the world. When staying up in Keito,

1938
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 3: just up the road in Ecuador, there was a lot

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Speaker 3: of erotic pottery for sale on the streets and markets there.

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Speaker 9: You go.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that, Mark ninety two, ninety two. If

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Speaker 3: you've got thoughts on that, I suppose it's fourteen to seven.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Jack Team and my HR the

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Speaker 2: hr solution for busy sm on news doorg zb.

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Speaker 3: Top seven non news doorgs zb UK corresponding, Gavin Great

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Speaker 3: is with us this evening, Hi, Gavin, hither Jack. So,

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Speaker 3: Georgia has experienced the fourth night of huge street demonstrations.

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Speaker 3: What has triggered all of this?

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Speaker 11: Basically, they held an election and to the surprise of many,

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Speaker 11: the country, which is a former Russian republic, has kind

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Speaker 11: of turned its back on joining the European Union and

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Speaker 11: once really closer links to Russia. Now many of the

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Speaker 11: opposition party who say this election was a shock result,

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Speaker 11: say the election was rigged and they are demanding that

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Speaker 11: the government think again. It has also led to a

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Speaker 11: string of very very senior resignations of people within the country. Indeed,

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Speaker 11: the latest reports suggest George's ambassador to the US has

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Speaker 11: now stood down, saying he'd come under considerable pressure. But

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Speaker 11: it's not just those high profile figures as well. Teachers

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Speaker 11: other workers all say that they are going to resign

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Speaker 11: or refusing to work, and it really has led a

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Speaker 11: very very frustrating period for the country. Now three thousand

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Speaker 11: teachers signing letters condemning the decision to put the EU

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Speaker 11: accession on hold so joining the European UNI the pro

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Speaker 11: Western president who's due to step down in just four

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Speaker 11: weeks time. She says she's going to refuse to step

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Speaker 11: down until a new vote has been held. So at

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Speaker 11: the moment, Georgia, with its population a three point seven

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Speaker 11: million and a bridge as it were, between Eastern Europe

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Speaker 11: and Russia, very much, very much in a deepening political

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Speaker 11: and constitutional crisis, with tens of thousands of people out

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Speaker 11: on the freezing streets again last night, met with the water, canon,

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Speaker 11: tear gas and all sorts of really pretty violent and

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Speaker 11: harsh reaction from the police. Many fear this country is

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Speaker 11: really looking into the abyss regards whether or not another

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Speaker 11: election will be held.

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Speaker 3: How have Greg Wallace's alleged victims reacted to his response.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, pretty furious, of course. Greg Wallace, big television star

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Speaker 11: here for the BBC, he hosted Master Chef over twenty

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Speaker 11: years and suspended for alleged inappropriate sexual comments and inappropriate behavior.

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Speaker 11: He then went on to social media and said this

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Speaker 11: is these complaints have come from a handful of middle

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Speaker 11: class women of a certain age. Well, many of his

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Speaker 11: victims now stepping forward and saying well, look this just

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Speaker 11: shows that he hasn't learned his lesson. He seems to

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Speaker 11: be saying he's the victim of classism, and they're saying

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Speaker 11: this has got nothing to do with class it's got

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Speaker 11: something to do with your behavior. And they alleged that

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Speaker 11: he should really, in this period where he stepped aside,

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Speaker 11: have a think about his behavior and what he reckons

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Speaker 11: about it. So this does look like it's going to

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Speaker 11: be a very very difficult period for the program, and

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Speaker 11: questions of course for the BBC about how they have

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Speaker 11: handled earlier complaints about the sixty year old, why he

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Speaker 11: wasn't looked at earlier, how he was still presenting the program,

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Speaker 11: and what they knew when basically so at the moment,

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Speaker 11: as I said, he's suspended. These are all allegations. But

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Speaker 11: since he's made his comments now a growing number of

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Speaker 11: younger women on the program who haven't made complaints at

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Speaker 11: the time, are it is reported, coming forward Jack now

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Speaker 11: to complaint as well.

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Speaker 3: And given to Belgium, we're Belgium's six workers get maternity

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Speaker 3: leaven pensions under a new World first law.

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Speaker 11: Yes, quite extraordinarly there so real leaping in h I

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Speaker 11: suppose sort of modern day thinking but sex workers will

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Speaker 11: be entitled to official employment contracts, the health insurance, pensions,

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Speaker 11: maternity leave and sick day. In other words, being a

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Speaker 11: prostitute will be the same or being a sex worker

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Speaker 11: will be treated like any other job. And there are

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Speaker 11: tens of millions of sex workers worldwide. But it's decriminalized

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Speaker 11: in Belgium just a couple of years ago, legal in

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Speaker 11: several countries now, including Germany, Greece, the Viands. But getting

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Speaker 11: that sort of employment rights and getting contracts out there

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Speaker 11: for sex workers that is a global first. Many are

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Speaker 11: saying this is great, a great tactic from Belgium to

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Speaker 11: change the law and saying, you know, this all what

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Speaker 11: got prompted because the lack of state support during the

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Speaker 11: COVID pandemic. But others are saying, are we really really

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Speaker 11: in a state where we are acknowledging and doing more

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Speaker 11: than acknowledging sex workers by giving them these rates.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fascinating, isn't it. Hey, thank you very much

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Speaker 3: for your time givin. We appreciate it. Gavin Gray, UK

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Speaker 3: correspondent The Spires. It's not entirely surprising that if a

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Speaker 3: country was to progress this it would be either the

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Speaker 3: Dutch or the Belgians. Hey, thank you for your feedback.

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Speaker 3: Jack regarding that poll Chris Sipkins in the forties, please

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Speaker 3: is bill hilarious? What sort of polling company is this?

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Speaker 3: Labour's reputation is done? And Julian sis Jack, I think

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Speaker 3: it's really said tipapa's charging our visitors to get in.

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Speaker 3: How are they going to police it in our multicultural city,

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Speaker 3: our multicultural country. How will they know who's a tourist

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Speaker 3: or not. They're just going to approach people and make

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Speaker 3: citizens feel embarrassed as well. Thirty five dollars is so steep.

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Speaker 3: I feel sorry for our backpackers travelers who are trying

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Speaker 3: to get round on a budget. Seems like they only

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Speaker 3: want rich cruise ship tourist types. Thank you for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a good point. I mean, I suppose they're just

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Speaker 3: rolling on an honesty system at the moment, but appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two ninety two If you want to flickers of.

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Speaker 2: Text getting ready for a new administration in the US,

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Speaker 2: what will be the impact? It's The Business Hour with

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy Allen and my Hr. The HR solution for

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Speaker 2: busy SMEs news talks.

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Speaker 3: 'b right oh, thank you very much for all of

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Speaker 3: your communications this afternoon on News talks 'B. That is

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Speaker 3: us for another couple of hours together. Hopefully hit this

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Speaker 3: feeling a bit better tomorrow and we'll be back. Jason

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Speaker 3: Pine is going to be taking you through the evening

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Speaker 3: with sports talk on News Talks 'DB. But Ans has

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Speaker 3: chosen the beats to close us out.

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Speaker 20: Yeah we're roight after and jack zz top give me

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Speaker 20: all your loving to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 9: Good news.

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Speaker 20: Zz Top have announced they are coming back to the country.

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Speaker 20: It's a lot less to likeness two years since they

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Speaker 20: were last year. Yeah, they were here last year, but

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Speaker 20: nixt May they will be playing one show in Auckland

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Speaker 20: Spack Arena and well and Wellington's TSP Arena.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 3: They clearly enjoyed it here. They're not going to be

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Speaker 3: one of the one of the new ones at Edon Park. No,

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Speaker 3: apparently it's a bit of a shame, but they'd be

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Speaker 3: good just the st.

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Speaker 20: Yeah it's not one of them, and then I'll live

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Speaker 20: another No, no, no.

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Speaker 3: Very good. Okay, thank you so much. Ed's it's easy

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Speaker 3: top to close you out. Jason Pine with your sports

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Speaker 3: talk very shortly after the seven o'clock news. Does is

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Speaker 3: news talksz be.

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