1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:12,013 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B. 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:16,213 Speaker 1: Follow this and our Wide Ranger podcast now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:20,493 --> 00:00:23,533 Speaker 2: Hi, welcome to this special edition of the ESPN Scrum 4 00:00:23,813 --> 00:00:27,213 Speaker 2: Reset Podcast. Sam Bruce joined us ever by Christy Dora 5 00:00:27,253 --> 00:00:29,293 Speaker 2: and Christy got a couple of special guests in the 6 00:00:29,293 --> 00:00:30,373 Speaker 2: Schmid house this week. 7 00:00:30,453 --> 00:00:31,013 Speaker 3: He had to let. 8 00:00:30,933 --> 00:00:34,613 Speaker 2: Uslow one the Rugby direct boys, Elliott Smith, Liam Nabier, 9 00:00:34,773 --> 00:00:35,213 Speaker 2: welcome in. 10 00:00:35,333 --> 00:00:36,813 Speaker 4: Great to be here to me. 11 00:00:36,853 --> 00:00:39,693 Speaker 5: Here's Sam Sidney's send it on for us and look 12 00:00:39,773 --> 00:00:40,893 Speaker 5: forward to one of you boys up. 13 00:00:41,093 --> 00:00:43,013 Speaker 2: You're blowing a bit of a Meghan Gale out there 14 00:00:43,053 --> 00:00:45,493 Speaker 2: this afternoon, but glad we turned the warm weather on 15 00:00:45,573 --> 00:00:48,733 Speaker 2: for you this week. Christie has plenty to talk about. 16 00:00:48,973 --> 00:00:51,533 Speaker 2: Let us slow week. It's always a big week here 17 00:00:51,573 --> 00:00:53,973 Speaker 2: in Sydney and across Australia. First time we've had this 18 00:00:54,413 --> 00:00:57,773 Speaker 2: game here in Sydney since twenty twenty COVID times. 19 00:00:58,093 --> 00:00:59,853 Speaker 3: We've been through two. 20 00:00:59,693 --> 00:01:03,613 Speaker 2: Coaches since them, Dave Readie into Eddie Jones, now Joe Schmith. 21 00:01:04,133 --> 00:01:06,413 Speaker 2: We're back at a Courl Stadium. The crowd around about 22 00:01:06,453 --> 00:01:08,693 Speaker 2: sixty thousand. How are you? 23 00:01:08,693 --> 00:01:10,373 Speaker 3: How are the vibes this week? You've been in Sydney 24 00:01:10,373 --> 00:01:11,253 Speaker 3: in your travels. 25 00:01:11,933 --> 00:01:14,013 Speaker 6: Well, you're right, the weather has turned it on. I 26 00:01:14,013 --> 00:01:16,053 Speaker 6: know that Raised Robinson will get too later on, but 27 00:01:16,093 --> 00:01:18,253 Speaker 6: he was enjoying and joining the surf and that's what 28 00:01:18,293 --> 00:01:21,053 Speaker 6: our New Zealand friends are enjoying right now. But I'll 29 00:01:21,053 --> 00:01:24,213 Speaker 6: tell you what it does seem quite. I know that 30 00:01:24,333 --> 00:01:26,693 Speaker 6: the three of us, the four of us, we love 31 00:01:26,693 --> 00:01:28,693 Speaker 6: our agy, we get to we know, we live and 32 00:01:28,733 --> 00:01:31,933 Speaker 6: breathe it. But if you look around that the Shanne landscape, 33 00:01:31,933 --> 00:01:34,613 Speaker 6: the media landscape, is the blendesslope buzz there right now, 34 00:01:34,653 --> 00:01:36,893 Speaker 6: I don't know if it is, but hopefully Saturday afternoon 35 00:01:36,933 --> 00:01:38,293 Speaker 6: they will be boys. 36 00:01:38,893 --> 00:01:41,213 Speaker 2: Give us a sense of the vibes in New Zealand 37 00:01:41,253 --> 00:01:44,093 Speaker 2: at I'm and around Scott robertson this new Paul Blacks 38 00:01:44,133 --> 00:01:46,373 Speaker 2: of Year, Eliot, I know you're in South Africa and 39 00:01:46,413 --> 00:01:49,813 Speaker 2: calling the games for news talk. Zed be two losses 40 00:01:49,853 --> 00:01:53,653 Speaker 2: to tight losses. What's been the I guess the feedback 41 00:01:54,173 --> 00:01:57,053 Speaker 2: the response to those two defeats of South Africa and 42 00:01:57,093 --> 00:01:59,373 Speaker 2: I guess three defeats out of four and the RUGBA gym. Yeah, 43 00:01:59,373 --> 00:02:01,133 Speaker 2: I think there's been a few wobbles with this team 44 00:02:01,453 --> 00:02:04,013 Speaker 2: since they started and probably haven't seen the game plan 45 00:02:04,093 --> 00:02:06,533 Speaker 2: that we was thinking we might get from Scotlarly on 46 00:02:06,653 --> 00:02:09,373 Speaker 2: his ten yures taken a wildest sort of imprint, his 47 00:02:09,493 --> 00:02:11,693 Speaker 2: fingerprints on the Seamon in South Africa. 48 00:02:11,973 --> 00:02:13,613 Speaker 7: Maybe going over there and getting we'll win it. A 49 00:02:13,613 --> 00:02:15,773 Speaker 7: loss would have been a good return, but they've ended 50 00:02:15,813 --> 00:02:18,893 Speaker 7: up with two close losses. Glass a full approach, you see. 51 00:02:19,013 --> 00:02:21,893 Speaker 7: Actually there's some signs building there that maybe beginning to 52 00:02:21,893 --> 00:02:24,853 Speaker 7: see the game plan. But again they were defeats and 53 00:02:24,893 --> 00:02:27,253 Speaker 7: if you're an All Blacks team that hasn't ended over 54 00:02:27,253 --> 00:02:29,093 Speaker 7: the Freedom Cup to so Afya since two thousand and 55 00:02:29,133 --> 00:02:30,693 Speaker 7: a night, you've just done it for the first time 56 00:02:30,733 --> 00:02:32,973 Speaker 7: since then, you're not going to win the Rugby Championship. 57 00:02:33,053 --> 00:02:35,133 Speaker 7: So it does ultimately feel like a step back. 58 00:02:35,173 --> 00:02:35,733 Speaker 6: To this point. 59 00:02:36,373 --> 00:02:38,693 Speaker 7: It's you're optimist, you can see that there's something happening 60 00:02:38,733 --> 00:02:40,693 Speaker 7: in this All Blacks team. If you're not, you figure 61 00:02:40,693 --> 00:02:42,533 Speaker 7: it's more of the same and maybe you've step backwards 62 00:02:42,533 --> 00:02:43,133 Speaker 7: from last. 63 00:02:42,973 --> 00:02:43,733 Speaker 3: Year and Lamb. 64 00:02:43,853 --> 00:02:47,573 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, we've got Mills Lilian telling as here in Australia 65 00:02:47,613 --> 00:02:50,133 Speaker 2: it's our fault that the All Blacks are Batlan bar 66 00:02:50,253 --> 00:02:53,333 Speaker 2: under Scott Robinson and Alida Hills if you're watching Jeff 67 00:02:53,373 --> 00:02:55,773 Speaker 2: Wilson some interesting excuses. 68 00:02:55,493 --> 00:02:56,173 Speaker 3: As well, but. 69 00:02:57,933 --> 00:02:59,773 Speaker 2: His raising getting a bit of a free hit at 70 00:02:59,813 --> 00:03:02,653 Speaker 2: the moment. Or are you guys at the public starting 71 00:03:02,693 --> 00:03:05,373 Speaker 2: to come I guess is the tide turning because everyone 72 00:03:05,413 --> 00:03:07,053 Speaker 2: thought he was going to come in and you know 73 00:03:07,133 --> 00:03:08,653 Speaker 2: it was going to be to raise the six that 74 00:03:08,693 --> 00:03:11,773 Speaker 2: he's had with Canterbury and then the Crusaders obviously clearly 75 00:03:11,813 --> 00:03:14,333 Speaker 2: doesn't have his made man Richiemonger there, but I guess 76 00:03:14,373 --> 00:03:16,653 Speaker 2: the magic hasn't turned up in the Black Jersey just yet. 77 00:03:17,213 --> 00:03:17,293 Speaker 6: No. 78 00:03:17,453 --> 00:03:19,893 Speaker 5: I think you know, the War Tales obviously have to 79 00:03:20,093 --> 00:03:21,293 Speaker 5: cop their first. 80 00:03:21,053 --> 00:03:22,493 Speaker 4: Year of culpability. 81 00:03:22,533 --> 00:03:25,293 Speaker 5: But you're right, Razor came in with a massive amount 82 00:03:25,373 --> 00:03:28,973 Speaker 5: of public goodwill. Seven titles were the Crusaders, he was 83 00:03:29,093 --> 00:03:31,973 Speaker 5: the Golden Goose, Haid the Midas Touch and I think 84 00:03:32,013 --> 00:03:35,013 Speaker 5: he's found out very quickly that Test rugby is a 85 00:03:35,093 --> 00:03:38,533 Speaker 5: very different beast, so that the midpoint in this season 86 00:03:38,933 --> 00:03:44,133 Speaker 5: he's four wins, three losses and it's been disappointing, frustrating. 87 00:03:44,533 --> 00:03:46,853 Speaker 5: I think the loss of Alice Park was heartening to 88 00:03:46,893 --> 00:03:49,013 Speaker 5: a degree. There was a lot of good to take 89 00:03:49,053 --> 00:03:52,773 Speaker 5: out of that, but the following week disheartening because the 90 00:03:52,853 --> 00:03:56,493 Speaker 5: All Blacks probably went backwards and they didn't improve the 91 00:03:56,813 --> 00:03:59,613 Speaker 5: final quarter meltdowns. It was a big issue and one 92 00:03:59,653 --> 00:04:04,213 Speaker 5: of the frustrations for me from a selection perspective. Razor 93 00:04:04,293 --> 00:04:07,133 Speaker 5: came in with a bit of a mandate to evolve 94 00:04:07,173 --> 00:04:09,733 Speaker 5: this team post World Cup. We've had a lot of departures, 95 00:04:09,773 --> 00:04:12,773 Speaker 5: there's a lot of coaching changes, and it's largely been 96 00:04:12,893 --> 00:04:15,653 Speaker 5: much of the same. He hasn't brought through a lot 97 00:04:15,653 --> 00:04:18,293 Speaker 5: of youth, and the youth he has brought through has 98 00:04:18,333 --> 00:04:22,013 Speaker 5: been largely booked, so still waiting for him to really 99 00:04:22,053 --> 00:04:24,333 Speaker 5: put his imprint. As Elliot said, the honor his game plan, 100 00:04:24,413 --> 00:04:25,653 Speaker 5: but also the selections. 101 00:04:27,253 --> 00:04:31,013 Speaker 6: I find it surprising the idea that Rais has been 102 00:04:31,053 --> 00:04:34,133 Speaker 6: considered ben conservative. I actually think it's the other way around. 103 00:04:34,253 --> 00:04:36,773 Speaker 6: I think that Rais has done the Zach right thing 104 00:04:36,813 --> 00:04:40,493 Speaker 6: in terms of selection. He's gone with guys, the generational 105 00:04:40,573 --> 00:04:45,413 Speaker 6: change over overnight with Aaron Smith, with Brady Retallic, Sam Whitelock, 106 00:04:45,493 --> 00:04:48,133 Speaker 6: Dane Coles. You take that heartbeat out, you need to 107 00:04:48,213 --> 00:04:50,493 Speaker 6: keep the other familiar faces that have been there for 108 00:04:50,533 --> 00:04:53,453 Speaker 6: the last few years. So look, I'd love to know 109 00:04:53,493 --> 00:04:57,133 Speaker 6: who these faces are that people keep going what about him? 110 00:04:57,213 --> 00:04:59,293 Speaker 6: What about him? What Sam Kaine? If you don't have 111 00:04:59,293 --> 00:05:01,733 Speaker 6: a Sam Kain who's wearing the nump seven jersey tomorrow 112 00:05:02,373 --> 00:05:05,733 Speaker 6: on Saturday. Rather, I'm wondering where the experience. It's where 113 00:05:05,773 --> 00:05:08,053 Speaker 6: the leadership is because you need to have these guys 114 00:05:08,093 --> 00:05:11,573 Speaker 6: there whilst you bring in your court is Radamus who's 115 00:05:11,613 --> 00:05:14,333 Speaker 6: there because of injuries to other people who would have 116 00:05:14,373 --> 00:05:17,773 Speaker 6: been new faces anyway, given that Rsmith no longer. 117 00:05:17,973 --> 00:05:18,893 Speaker 4: Well it's a fair point. 118 00:05:18,933 --> 00:05:22,413 Speaker 5: But guys like Wallace to Tt that the success stories 119 00:05:22,453 --> 00:05:24,333 Speaker 5: of this all black team have come from the youth. 120 00:05:24,413 --> 00:05:26,973 Speaker 5: So Wallace to Tt was a standout at Blindside, he 121 00:05:27,053 --> 00:05:29,853 Speaker 5: only came in against the spring Box because of injuries. 122 00:05:30,333 --> 00:05:33,613 Speaker 5: Tupu Vai has been one of the revelations at Locke 123 00:05:33,653 --> 00:05:36,453 Speaker 5: to Mighty Williams another young guy in the front row. 124 00:05:36,933 --> 00:05:38,333 Speaker 4: And then just some of the selections. 125 00:05:38,413 --> 00:05:40,773 Speaker 5: Riko Wanne's dropped one week, he's brought back the next 126 00:05:40,773 --> 00:05:43,453 Speaker 5: Will Jordan starts at fullback, then he's the next week 127 00:05:43,493 --> 00:05:45,893 Speaker 5: he's on the wing. So struggling to see a bit 128 00:05:45,893 --> 00:05:48,973 Speaker 5: of a plan here. And Billy Proctor is another one. 129 00:05:49,013 --> 00:05:52,093 Speaker 5: He was the standout center and super rugby was brilliant 130 00:05:52,693 --> 00:05:56,733 Speaker 5: against Fiji and he hasn't been cited since, so rika 131 00:05:56,813 --> 00:05:59,933 Speaker 5: Awani's approven talents in the midfield, but he's under a 132 00:05:59,933 --> 00:06:02,573 Speaker 5: bit of pressure, so I think people just want to 133 00:06:02,573 --> 00:06:04,693 Speaker 5: see the youth come through a little bit more. But 134 00:06:05,253 --> 00:06:08,933 Speaker 5: you're right, there has been massive change and there's still 135 00:06:08,973 --> 00:06:12,533 Speaker 5: some experience. But we talk about guys like Sam Kaine, TJ. 136 00:06:12,613 --> 00:06:13,093 Speaker 4: Pittanara. 137 00:06:13,173 --> 00:06:14,813 Speaker 5: They're leaving at the end of the year, so they're 138 00:06:14,853 --> 00:06:17,453 Speaker 5: not the future. And there is the balance between the 139 00:06:17,453 --> 00:06:19,173 Speaker 5: win and the now and plan for the future. You 140 00:06:19,253 --> 00:06:21,173 Speaker 5: have to win every test as an All Black coach, 141 00:06:21,533 --> 00:06:23,693 Speaker 5: so it is a difficult balancing act. 142 00:06:24,053 --> 00:06:26,173 Speaker 3: Kind of feels like the most interesting. 143 00:06:25,773 --> 00:06:28,613 Speaker 2: Intriguing All Blacks period we've had for some time. And 144 00:06:28,973 --> 00:06:30,453 Speaker 2: I look at the squad that they've got now, and 145 00:06:30,533 --> 00:06:33,173 Speaker 2: particularly the bench, and with all due respect to the 146 00:06:33,213 --> 00:06:35,493 Speaker 2: All Blacks, and I said this from a Wallaby's perspective, 147 00:06:35,533 --> 00:06:36,973 Speaker 2: who won four and three and I go through a 148 00:06:36,973 --> 00:06:40,413 Speaker 2: massive period of change over and heap in you basis 149 00:06:40,413 --> 00:06:44,613 Speaker 2: sixteen deputantes this season. But I compare this to the 150 00:06:44,813 --> 00:06:47,693 Speaker 2: great All Blacks teams of twenty eleven to twenty fifteen, 151 00:06:47,733 --> 00:06:52,493 Speaker 2: and it doesn't It doesn't fright me as a Wallaby 152 00:06:52,533 --> 00:06:55,813 Speaker 2: thinking as a Wallaby supporter, and that's saying as you know, 153 00:06:56,133 --> 00:06:58,093 Speaker 2: clearly I expect them to get beaten this weekend and 154 00:06:58,093 --> 00:07:01,693 Speaker 2: beaten handsomely. But comparing this current era to that one 155 00:07:01,773 --> 00:07:03,573 Speaker 2: now and it's just not the same. We see the 156 00:07:03,573 --> 00:07:06,853 Speaker 2: Springboks having you know, a brilliant time but clearly the 157 00:07:06,853 --> 00:07:09,373 Speaker 2: world's best team. Ireland may have something to say about that, 158 00:07:09,853 --> 00:07:13,293 Speaker 2: but they are going through a real moment, a golden period, 159 00:07:13,333 --> 00:07:14,933 Speaker 2: and I just think that the All Blacks have come 160 00:07:14,973 --> 00:07:16,773 Speaker 2: out of that. There's going to be a shuffling period 161 00:07:16,813 --> 00:07:19,373 Speaker 2: here for Scott robertson how long it takes him to 162 00:07:19,453 --> 00:07:19,893 Speaker 2: navigate it. 163 00:07:19,853 --> 00:07:20,973 Speaker 3: And it's an excellent. 164 00:07:20,613 --> 00:07:23,813 Speaker 2: Point around you know, TJ Paranara and Sam Cane finishing 165 00:07:23,893 --> 00:07:25,973 Speaker 2: up this year, that's even more experience going out of 166 00:07:26,213 --> 00:07:29,013 Speaker 2: that side, almost a tail end of that great generation 167 00:07:29,133 --> 00:07:32,653 Speaker 2: finishing up. And I mean Robinson's got rasores, He's got 168 00:07:32,653 --> 00:07:33,293 Speaker 2: a job ahead of it. 169 00:07:33,413 --> 00:07:36,173 Speaker 7: Yeah, we can't managine it up gage test which experience. 170 00:07:36,213 --> 00:07:38,653 Speaker 7: It's the only way is by getting this Buzzers experience 171 00:07:38,693 --> 00:07:41,653 Speaker 7: and getting them in there and those final quarter bell 172 00:07:41,693 --> 00:07:43,493 Speaker 7: Jones that have talked about they probably haven't got that 173 00:07:43,613 --> 00:07:46,493 Speaker 7: bench exactly right and there's a little bit of experimentation 174 00:07:46,533 --> 00:07:48,453 Speaker 7: again we sit this week in with Tomasi Williams and 175 00:07:48,453 --> 00:07:50,973 Speaker 7: Pussily or tossing that coming off the bench too big 176 00:07:51,013 --> 00:07:53,613 Speaker 7: impactful props rather than off thing a fussy which are 177 00:07:53,613 --> 00:07:56,333 Speaker 7: new Auklands engin. So there's a little bit of trial 178 00:07:56,333 --> 00:07:58,253 Speaker 7: in Europe I think going on with this all Blacks team, 179 00:07:58,253 --> 00:08:00,773 Speaker 7: and then what the actual Beast twenty three is. We 180 00:08:00,853 --> 00:08:03,213 Speaker 7: haven't seen it through seven tes so far in the season. 181 00:08:03,373 --> 00:08:04,693 Speaker 7: We might not e con see it till perhaps the 182 00:08:04,733 --> 00:08:06,213 Speaker 7: end of the year tour and then maybe even early 183 00:08:06,293 --> 00:08:08,013 Speaker 7: next year. Where you go, okay, this is what Scott 184 00:08:08,093 --> 00:08:10,253 Speaker 7: Roberts wants to get out of this team. This is 185 00:08:10,253 --> 00:08:13,013 Speaker 7: his ideal twenty three, first choice, but at this point 186 00:08:13,053 --> 00:08:15,653 Speaker 7: it feels like it's mix and match and trying to 187 00:08:15,653 --> 00:08:16,453 Speaker 7: see how things work. 188 00:08:16,693 --> 00:08:18,973 Speaker 2: They were brilliant of the breakdown in Cape Town. I 189 00:08:18,973 --> 00:08:20,973 Speaker 2: think it was four or five steals from a variety 190 00:08:20,973 --> 00:08:24,293 Speaker 2: of players. The Wallabies have only gone with one fetch 191 00:08:24,293 --> 00:08:26,493 Speaker 2: will come and we'll dig into these two teams shortly 192 00:08:26,533 --> 00:08:27,173 Speaker 2: this weekend. 193 00:08:27,533 --> 00:08:28,573 Speaker 3: Only phrasing were right. 194 00:08:28,813 --> 00:08:31,573 Speaker 2: Joshmik did comment today that he thought about considering the 195 00:08:31,653 --> 00:08:35,413 Speaker 2: two fetcher approach, which coincidentally Michael Checker the first time 196 00:08:35,453 --> 00:08:38,173 Speaker 2: he blooded Michael Hooper and David Pocock together was his 197 00:08:38,453 --> 00:08:41,053 Speaker 2: first letislough here in Sydney in twenty fifteen. There's a 198 00:08:41,053 --> 00:08:43,013 Speaker 2: little statwoy Christie. 199 00:08:43,133 --> 00:08:45,973 Speaker 3: But I mean it's not all doom and glue. Is it? 200 00:08:46,013 --> 00:08:48,413 Speaker 2: Like? There were patches there and at the final quarter 201 00:08:48,653 --> 00:08:51,173 Speaker 2: is clearly an issue your piece for us a couple 202 00:08:51,213 --> 00:08:53,613 Speaker 2: of weeks ago, Lamb having scored a point after the 203 00:08:53,613 --> 00:08:56,133 Speaker 2: fifty second minute there for three tests running and that's 204 00:08:56,133 --> 00:08:57,573 Speaker 2: got to be a big concern. 205 00:08:57,653 --> 00:08:58,253 Speaker 3: I mean, can that. 206 00:08:58,893 --> 00:09:00,773 Speaker 2: I don't think it'll be a concern this week somehow 207 00:09:00,853 --> 00:09:02,413 Speaker 2: given the way that they played it here in Sydney 208 00:09:02,453 --> 00:09:05,853 Speaker 2: in recent times. But is that, I mean, what is 209 00:09:05,893 --> 00:09:07,613 Speaker 2: the issue there with the batch Didney. 210 00:09:08,373 --> 00:09:11,653 Speaker 4: I think it's a multitude of things. It's Scot Robinson's 211 00:09:11,693 --> 00:09:12,293 Speaker 4: maintained the. 212 00:09:12,253 --> 00:09:15,373 Speaker 5: Fact that there are opportunities there and if you look 213 00:09:15,413 --> 00:09:18,013 Speaker 5: at the last test in Cape Town, Damien McKenzie missed 214 00:09:18,053 --> 00:09:21,533 Speaker 5: I think at least two penalties, so there were opportunities 215 00:09:21,533 --> 00:09:23,893 Speaker 5: for the All Blacks to score points. But it's not 216 00:09:23,973 --> 00:09:25,693 Speaker 5: just who's on the bench. It's the use of it 217 00:09:25,733 --> 00:09:30,613 Speaker 5: as well, some weird strange use of the bench. Some 218 00:09:30,653 --> 00:09:34,173 Speaker 5: players playing five minutes, ten minutes, fifteen minutes. It's really 219 00:09:34,173 --> 00:09:36,493 Speaker 5: hard to get into the contest and so I think 220 00:09:36,493 --> 00:09:39,253 Speaker 5: there's been a lack of trust in that bench. You 221 00:09:39,333 --> 00:09:41,133 Speaker 5: saw the changes and the last test for the All 222 00:09:41,173 --> 00:09:44,013 Speaker 5: Blacks they went back to experience with Boden Barrett and 223 00:09:44,093 --> 00:09:48,133 Speaker 5: TJ Peinara going back to the bench this week. It 224 00:09:48,253 --> 00:09:51,173 Speaker 5: is reasonably an experience, so, like Elliott says, it is 225 00:09:51,173 --> 00:09:53,653 Speaker 5: still a bit of trial and error, and it also 226 00:09:53,773 --> 00:09:54,893 Speaker 5: is a reflection. 227 00:09:54,573 --> 00:09:57,213 Speaker 2: Of those guys who have left post World Cup. And 228 00:09:57,253 --> 00:09:59,733 Speaker 2: this has sparked a discussion in New Zealand and ongoing 229 00:09:59,733 --> 00:10:03,973 Speaker 2: discussion about should New Zealand rugby sleep from overseas because 230 00:10:04,653 --> 00:10:06,933 Speaker 2: if you bring back one or two or three players 231 00:10:07,293 --> 00:10:11,093 Speaker 2: and bolster your death, that's where the bench is feeling 232 00:10:11,213 --> 00:10:14,333 Speaker 2: the most pain. So that's an ongoing discussion. 233 00:10:14,373 --> 00:10:17,813 Speaker 5: I know, as you guys through there's various different models 234 00:10:17,853 --> 00:10:20,733 Speaker 5: around the world in Australia, South Africa and the like 235 00:10:21,813 --> 00:10:25,253 Speaker 5: Ritchie Mooman you touched on as Raises Man. He's his 236 00:10:25,333 --> 00:10:27,853 Speaker 5: quarterback and he would desperately love them back. He can't 237 00:10:27,933 --> 00:10:30,933 Speaker 5: select them from Japan, and there's a few others leicesterifying 238 00:10:30,933 --> 00:10:32,853 Speaker 5: and look you and maybe you would bring back in 239 00:10:32,933 --> 00:10:36,973 Speaker 5: Aaron Smith, but that does compromise courts at Artima's development, 240 00:10:37,093 --> 00:10:38,973 Speaker 5: so that there's pros and cons the eree. 241 00:10:39,493 --> 00:10:43,013 Speaker 6: It's a fascinating argument. I'm strongly in the camp that 242 00:10:43,733 --> 00:10:47,933 Speaker 6: Rugan Australia needs to look abroad. It's so clear that 243 00:10:48,013 --> 00:10:51,293 Speaker 6: two decades without the Bladisloe Cup and last year's embarrassing 244 00:10:51,373 --> 00:10:54,613 Speaker 6: World Cup performance, that you need to look abroad because 245 00:10:54,653 --> 00:10:58,573 Speaker 6: the talent here is just not strong enough. But comparatively, 246 00:10:58,813 --> 00:11:01,373 Speaker 6: I think it is still very much strong enough in 247 00:11:01,453 --> 00:11:04,533 Speaker 6: New Zealand. And even the fact that the discussions at 248 00:11:04,613 --> 00:11:07,973 Speaker 6: Richie Muwanga might well come back in a year or 249 00:11:07,973 --> 00:11:12,213 Speaker 6: two his testament to the strength of the eligibility laws 250 00:11:12,213 --> 00:11:14,613 Speaker 6: that are on offer at the moment. Richie likely will 251 00:11:14,613 --> 00:11:16,733 Speaker 6: come back. He was thinking about playing for a different 252 00:11:16,813 --> 00:11:19,493 Speaker 6: nation at the next World Cup. That won't occur if 253 00:11:19,493 --> 00:11:22,733 Speaker 6: he's back in New Zealand and super Rugby. So I 254 00:11:22,773 --> 00:11:26,573 Speaker 6: think it'd be so naive and short sighted to try 255 00:11:26,613 --> 00:11:28,573 Speaker 6: and ban the rules because of one or two people. 256 00:11:28,613 --> 00:11:30,973 Speaker 6: And then if you do that, you can the genie 257 00:11:31,013 --> 00:11:31,693 Speaker 6: is out of the bottle. 258 00:11:31,733 --> 00:11:32,413 Speaker 3: It's easy to look for. 259 00:11:32,453 --> 00:11:34,053 Speaker 7: A short term flex, isn't it. You go, Okay, we've 260 00:11:34,053 --> 00:11:36,133 Speaker 7: lost to loss two matches in South Africa, you go, 261 00:11:36,333 --> 00:11:38,533 Speaker 7: how do we fix it? Well, these players overseas that 262 00:11:38,573 --> 00:11:40,933 Speaker 7: are quite ended. But does it actually help your development 263 00:11:40,933 --> 00:11:42,933 Speaker 7: of your test team in two years time, five years time, 264 00:11:42,933 --> 00:11:44,973 Speaker 7: ten years time. I think the jury is out on that. 265 00:11:45,173 --> 00:11:47,373 Speaker 7: I do think thy professional sport moves at a real 266 00:11:47,413 --> 00:11:50,773 Speaker 7: clip and sometimes you just can't. You can't go into 267 00:11:50,773 --> 00:11:52,653 Speaker 7: the tie. Sometimes you've got to make these decisions. So 268 00:11:52,893 --> 00:11:54,773 Speaker 7: es fascinating to see we used on rugby lens on it. 269 00:11:54,853 --> 00:11:56,933 Speaker 7: I think they're going to at some point get to 270 00:11:56,933 --> 00:11:59,453 Speaker 7: a model where maybe it's one forward, one back or 271 00:11:59,533 --> 00:12:00,173 Speaker 7: something like that. 272 00:12:00,413 --> 00:12:01,533 Speaker 3: To put it as all blext. 273 00:12:01,773 --> 00:12:04,333 Speaker 2: Before we come to your thoughts on the Wallabies boys, 274 00:12:04,453 --> 00:12:09,853 Speaker 2: is Damian McKenzie's honestly running out of time at number ten? Yes, 275 00:12:09,893 --> 00:12:13,853 Speaker 2: And though he hasn't grasped that ten, Jersey hasn't stated 276 00:12:13,893 --> 00:12:15,373 Speaker 2: his case and said this is mine. 277 00:12:15,533 --> 00:12:17,693 Speaker 5: I'm going to run this team for the next four years. 278 00:12:18,173 --> 00:12:22,853 Speaker 5: But there aren't a whole lot of options there. There's Boden, Barrett, 279 00:12:23,333 --> 00:12:27,333 Speaker 5: Steven Petterfitzer Harry Plummer, but two of those guys are 280 00:12:27,413 --> 00:12:30,813 Speaker 5: unproven at test level. Boden Barrett hasn't played ten and 281 00:12:30,893 --> 00:12:34,333 Speaker 5: test rugby for the best part of two years. Raisers 282 00:12:34,373 --> 00:12:37,293 Speaker 5: stuck with Damien and he's given them every opportunity, but 283 00:12:37,333 --> 00:12:40,973 Speaker 5: there are real question marks around his game management in 284 00:12:41,013 --> 00:12:45,253 Speaker 5: the last quarter, goalkicking under pressure, so he needs to 285 00:12:45,293 --> 00:12:45,573 Speaker 5: show a. 286 00:12:45,573 --> 00:12:47,293 Speaker 4: Lot more to own that jersey. 287 00:12:47,533 --> 00:12:49,253 Speaker 2: I think back to Dadad and last year and the 288 00:12:49,293 --> 00:12:51,253 Speaker 2: Wallabies were really able to rail him in that first 289 00:12:51,333 --> 00:12:53,813 Speaker 2: half and Richie came on and you know, build them 290 00:12:53,813 --> 00:12:55,493 Speaker 2: out of the line with a long range penalty there 291 00:12:55,573 --> 00:12:57,933 Speaker 2: the finish. But I mean that first half was all 292 00:12:57,973 --> 00:13:00,133 Speaker 2: Australia and Damien McKenzie just couldn't get. 293 00:13:00,013 --> 00:13:00,573 Speaker 3: Out of the pocket. 294 00:13:01,053 --> 00:13:02,373 Speaker 5: Yeah, and a lot of it I think in that 295 00:13:02,493 --> 00:13:05,253 Speaker 5: test comes down to platform, and I would argue he's 296 00:13:05,253 --> 00:13:08,773 Speaker 5: actually had a reasonable platform. One of the big concerns 297 00:13:08,773 --> 00:13:10,613 Speaker 5: with the All Blacks going in South Africa was they 298 00:13:10,613 --> 00:13:13,093 Speaker 5: were going to get out muscled the spring Boks. We 299 00:13:13,093 --> 00:13:15,293 Speaker 5: know their physicality, but I thought the All Blacks one 300 00:13:15,333 --> 00:13:18,773 Speaker 5: of their revelations over there was their set piece, their 301 00:13:19,133 --> 00:13:22,093 Speaker 5: breakdown work. As you touched on they matched up physically, 302 00:13:22,173 --> 00:13:23,613 Speaker 5: so they provided a platform. 303 00:13:23,653 --> 00:13:25,893 Speaker 7: Yeah, midgame matters we talk about you know, we're talking 304 00:13:25,893 --> 00:13:27,853 Speaker 7: about the bench as well. The last quarter. It's not 305 00:13:27,973 --> 00:13:29,293 Speaker 7: all down to the beach. It sounded the three is 306 00:13:29,333 --> 00:13:31,333 Speaker 7: five pulling the strings of the park and Damien McKinsey 307 00:13:31,373 --> 00:13:33,413 Speaker 7: remaining out there and going right, boys, this is how 308 00:13:33,413 --> 00:13:34,693 Speaker 7: we get down the other end of the park was 309 00:13:34,813 --> 00:13:37,093 Speaker 7: how we get out of trouble. And I think in 310 00:13:37,133 --> 00:13:39,173 Speaker 7: the last twenty twenty five minutes the games we haven't 311 00:13:39,213 --> 00:13:39,533 Speaker 7: quite si. 312 00:13:40,333 --> 00:13:42,613 Speaker 5: There's also been some reveeling stats around the All Blacks 313 00:13:42,693 --> 00:13:46,213 Speaker 5: kicking and their contestable kicks. I think was it Alice 314 00:13:46,253 --> 00:13:48,813 Speaker 5: Parker or Cape Town They kept twenty five times and 315 00:13:48,853 --> 00:13:52,333 Speaker 5: only got two kicks back. So those sorts of things 316 00:13:52,373 --> 00:13:54,653 Speaker 5: are on your game drivers. They need to own those 317 00:13:55,133 --> 00:13:56,853 Speaker 5: and their massive parts of their brief. 318 00:13:56,973 --> 00:13:59,573 Speaker 6: And that's an now element of the game where the 319 00:13:59,573 --> 00:14:02,973 Speaker 6: All Blacks when they've beaten the Wallabies well and convincingly, 320 00:14:03,173 --> 00:14:05,333 Speaker 6: they've dominated them in the kicking battle. And I think 321 00:14:05,373 --> 00:14:08,573 Speaker 6: back to Noel Lacio's deve boom in twenty twenty and 322 00:14:08,693 --> 00:14:11,253 Speaker 6: he had a Simoni outside of them, and the Wallabies 323 00:14:11,333 --> 00:14:14,013 Speaker 6: kicking game was dreadful and the All Blast kicking game 324 00:14:14,093 --> 00:14:16,613 Speaker 6: was absolutely elite and they just ran rings around the 325 00:14:16,613 --> 00:14:19,493 Speaker 6: Wallabies and I wouldn't be surprised if they go for 326 00:14:19,533 --> 00:14:21,693 Speaker 6: a kick heavy focus in that first twenty minutes on 327 00:14:21,733 --> 00:14:22,493 Speaker 6: Sunday afternoon. 328 00:14:22,693 --> 00:14:25,533 Speaker 2: We've spoken about the restarts as well on our regular point, 329 00:14:25,613 --> 00:14:28,453 Speaker 2: Christie Jets tell me, I mean, what's been the reaction to. 330 00:14:28,613 --> 00:14:30,733 Speaker 3: The wallabys woes therefore? 331 00:14:30,773 --> 00:14:33,333 Speaker 2: And three like the All Blacks clearly a couple of 332 00:14:33,813 --> 00:14:37,613 Speaker 2: you know, heavy defeats and then also a much easier 333 00:14:38,573 --> 00:14:42,053 Speaker 2: July series against Wales and Georgia got through those you know, 334 00:14:42,653 --> 00:14:46,413 Speaker 2: I guess fairly comminently in the end. But I mean, 335 00:14:47,053 --> 00:14:49,453 Speaker 2: what's the feeling around Australia Rugby at the moment is 336 00:14:49,453 --> 00:14:52,493 Speaker 2: as bad as Mills and Jeff Wilson has believe well. 337 00:14:52,493 --> 00:14:53,773 Speaker 7: I think last year there was a bit of shutting 338 00:14:53,773 --> 00:14:56,853 Speaker 7: fraud around Eddie Jones and the whole thing absolutely blying 339 00:14:56,933 --> 00:14:59,853 Speaker 7: up and Rugby Australia's face. Now this year I think 340 00:15:00,213 --> 00:15:02,293 Speaker 7: is what do we speak for joshmu what is ever 341 00:15:02,293 --> 00:15:03,413 Speaker 7: to do with Island, what it is able to do 342 00:15:03,413 --> 00:15:05,253 Speaker 7: with the All Blacks? And so because it was a 343 00:15:05,333 --> 00:15:08,613 Speaker 7: kiwi in charge. We like Joshmitt, so there's a you know, 344 00:15:08,813 --> 00:15:11,253 Speaker 7: watching with an interesting round. How are they going to 345 00:15:11,293 --> 00:15:12,933 Speaker 7: get the small beest team out of trouble? But I 346 00:15:12,973 --> 00:15:16,333 Speaker 7: think New Zealand Rugby needs the Wallabies to be strong 347 00:15:16,453 --> 00:15:19,773 Speaker 7: and be competitive and bleddersow cuts because this is you know, 348 00:15:19,893 --> 00:15:21,973 Speaker 7: they've moched together with Super Rugby app. But there's no 349 00:15:22,573 --> 00:15:24,813 Speaker 7: two ways about it. Yeah they need Yeah, of course 350 00:15:24,893 --> 00:15:26,413 Speaker 7: you said that doesn't want to have the blades lower 351 00:15:26,413 --> 00:15:29,493 Speaker 7: every year, but they need these games to feel. But 352 00:15:30,173 --> 00:15:32,093 Speaker 7: I just think that at this point in time, you know, 353 00:15:32,133 --> 00:15:34,213 Speaker 7: there's a watchful interest in no one saw them get 354 00:15:34,213 --> 00:15:36,053 Speaker 7: a glide out while they didn't stand to fake twenty 355 00:15:36,053 --> 00:15:38,413 Speaker 7: points to three up. But I just think that there's 356 00:15:38,453 --> 00:15:40,173 Speaker 7: probably a feeling that they don't have the. 357 00:15:40,133 --> 00:15:40,933 Speaker 3: Cattle at the moment. 358 00:15:41,133 --> 00:15:43,413 Speaker 7: And Joe Schmidt, you know he's with Wonders with Ireland, 359 00:15:43,453 --> 00:15:45,413 Speaker 7: with wonders with the All Blacks and turned around some 360 00:15:45,493 --> 00:15:48,213 Speaker 7: of that attack that he can over time, if he's 361 00:15:48,253 --> 00:15:50,653 Speaker 7: given the time, you know, do some things with this team. 362 00:15:50,973 --> 00:15:54,253 Speaker 5: I think there's an understanding about the Wolves being teared 363 00:15:54,293 --> 00:15:56,973 Speaker 5: down and trying to rebuild this team and just what 364 00:15:57,053 --> 00:16:00,333 Speaker 5: a salvage mission that is a head of the Lions tour. 365 00:16:00,413 --> 00:16:04,173 Speaker 5: But there was a bit of shock certainly and their 366 00:16:04,173 --> 00:16:07,373 Speaker 5: result in Argentina, I think what the Wildbies can side 367 00:16:07,493 --> 00:16:11,533 Speaker 5: sixty four plods sixty four points in the last fifteen minutes. 368 00:16:12,653 --> 00:16:15,493 Speaker 5: You just cannot be performing that bad as a test nation, 369 00:16:15,613 --> 00:16:17,773 Speaker 5: right And you hope and you expect that there. 370 00:16:17,693 --> 00:16:18,333 Speaker 4: Was a one off. 371 00:16:19,213 --> 00:16:22,573 Speaker 5: But as Eliev says, New Zealand rugby needs Australia and 372 00:16:23,013 --> 00:16:25,813 Speaker 5: I think there is still the interest there because if 373 00:16:25,813 --> 00:16:27,933 Speaker 5: you look to next week in Wellington the return Bleeders 374 00:16:27,933 --> 00:16:32,253 Speaker 5: though that sold out in Wellington, so that the history, 375 00:16:32,293 --> 00:16:34,933 Speaker 5: the legacy of the Beasow Cup still carries weight in 376 00:16:34,973 --> 00:16:38,293 Speaker 5: New Zealand's and that the test earlier this year and 377 00:16:38,333 --> 00:16:41,973 Speaker 5: Wellington against the Puma was only half full. So the Wallabies, 378 00:16:42,453 --> 00:16:46,693 Speaker 5: I guess, no matter what state there and still demands 379 00:16:47,293 --> 00:16:48,413 Speaker 5: the respect. 380 00:16:48,253 --> 00:16:49,973 Speaker 4: Or the lure of the New Zealand rugby public. 381 00:16:50,213 --> 00:16:52,733 Speaker 6: The interesting point that you made there was does a 382 00:16:52,773 --> 00:16:54,813 Speaker 6: shan Rugby have cattle? I just don't think they do. 383 00:16:54,933 --> 00:16:57,253 Speaker 6: And then if you look at two sides this swag, 384 00:16:57,533 --> 00:16:59,533 Speaker 6: I think there's only one Wallaby in the fifth day 385 00:16:59,533 --> 00:17:02,253 Speaker 6: and there started and that challenge for a place in 386 00:17:02,253 --> 00:17:04,453 Speaker 6: the all black stifth day, and I think that's wrong, Valotin. 387 00:17:04,893 --> 00:17:07,453 Speaker 6: I think Angus Bell and taniela two on potential would 388 00:17:07,453 --> 00:17:10,613 Speaker 6: be close to the twenty three it gets out. It 389 00:17:10,653 --> 00:17:12,933 Speaker 6: could tell when you think about someone like an Anton 390 00:17:12,973 --> 00:17:14,813 Speaker 6: Lenon Brown, you can't even get a crack or the 391 00:17:14,813 --> 00:17:16,733 Speaker 6: Billy Procters of the world. I think I don't even 392 00:17:16,773 --> 00:17:20,333 Speaker 6: know if he would. So it's complete mismatches across the 393 00:17:20,373 --> 00:17:22,653 Speaker 6: park at the moment. And that's the harsh reality of 394 00:17:22,693 --> 00:17:24,893 Speaker 6: it that no one in a Shane Rugby saint's prepared 395 00:17:24,933 --> 00:17:27,373 Speaker 6: to be able to swallow at the moment because we 396 00:17:27,733 --> 00:17:31,693 Speaker 6: occasionally fool ourselves into thinking that you odd performance against 397 00:17:31,733 --> 00:17:35,373 Speaker 6: Wales and Georgia. Wales sent out a second string side 398 00:17:35,453 --> 00:17:39,333 Speaker 6: really and fair world to generation themselves. They are only 399 00:17:39,493 --> 00:17:43,133 Speaker 6: a rolling war two away from losing there. And and 400 00:17:43,293 --> 00:17:48,133 Speaker 6: so look, it's a it's a it's a massive rebuilding 401 00:17:48,173 --> 00:17:50,653 Speaker 6: process and it's possible that we're not even at rock 402 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:52,933 Speaker 6: bottom at the moment. You know, everyone thought that off 403 00:17:52,933 --> 00:17:55,053 Speaker 6: the back of Eddie's disaster last year that that was 404 00:17:55,133 --> 00:17:57,253 Speaker 6: rock bottom. I don't know if it is. We've already 405 00:17:57,253 --> 00:18:00,773 Speaker 6: seen the Melbourne Rebels go under this year, it does 406 00:18:00,773 --> 00:18:04,373 Speaker 6: seem like doom and gloom, but yeah, like it's it's 407 00:18:04,373 --> 00:18:05,533 Speaker 6: a it's a massive wave. 408 00:18:06,053 --> 00:18:08,213 Speaker 7: But if you hear those players coming through at the 409 00:18:08,453 --> 00:18:11,853 Speaker 7: US roots into the under twenties, what's the quality of 410 00:18:11,853 --> 00:18:13,853 Speaker 7: players like there? Because that's where it all starts, isn't 411 00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:16,853 Speaker 7: it getting those players and wanting to play rugby? You know, 412 00:18:16,933 --> 00:18:19,093 Speaker 7: are the playing rugby League and at playing AFL because 413 00:18:19,093 --> 00:18:20,813 Speaker 7: that's where it all starts. And this is a problem 414 00:18:20,973 --> 00:18:22,813 Speaker 7: that you're dealing with now, but in reality it probably 415 00:18:22,813 --> 00:18:25,933 Speaker 7: started twenty years ago when maybe kids stopped playing rugby, 416 00:18:25,973 --> 00:18:26,813 Speaker 7: stop seeing the heroes. 417 00:18:26,853 --> 00:18:29,413 Speaker 6: Whatever it is you're paying for it now exactly and 418 00:18:29,493 --> 00:18:31,453 Speaker 6: rus you'd be able to talk to that as well. 419 00:18:31,493 --> 00:18:34,413 Speaker 6: But last ten years it's just seen that rugby players 420 00:18:34,413 --> 00:18:36,453 Speaker 6: have been targeted, you know, private schools. Once upon a 421 00:18:36,493 --> 00:18:39,253 Speaker 6: time most came through to the World is and now 422 00:18:40,253 --> 00:18:43,373 Speaker 6: they go through on Rugby League scholarships. They certainly go 423 00:18:43,493 --> 00:18:47,053 Speaker 6: through on AFL scholarships. It's a competitive market. But when 424 00:18:47,053 --> 00:18:49,653 Speaker 6: the worldbies don't win, what do you want to then 425 00:18:49,773 --> 00:18:51,173 Speaker 6: turn into what their winning? 426 00:18:51,213 --> 00:18:54,293 Speaker 3: Is the key? And it's been far too long since Australia. 427 00:18:54,373 --> 00:18:56,613 Speaker 2: Hell the burst less certainly as an Australian and there's 428 00:18:56,653 --> 00:18:58,813 Speaker 2: only you know, we've got a generation of kids now. 429 00:18:59,093 --> 00:19:01,093 Speaker 2: I've never seen it on this side of the tasmud 430 00:19:01,173 --> 00:19:03,573 Speaker 2: And you know, I remember saying to my old man 431 00:19:03,613 --> 00:19:07,093 Speaker 2: and the Third Test when Matt Burkey did he shoulder 432 00:19:07,093 --> 00:19:09,573 Speaker 2: score in the match winning try of that game, coming 433 00:19:09,613 --> 00:19:11,813 Speaker 2: down to Sydney for one of the first few times, 434 00:19:11,813 --> 00:19:14,133 Speaker 2: and how nice it would be to see a live 435 00:19:14,333 --> 00:19:17,613 Speaker 2: Letislav three And he said, don't ever say that the 436 00:19:17,613 --> 00:19:20,733 Speaker 2: first two games it's home and os and I didn't 437 00:19:20,733 --> 00:19:22,293 Speaker 2: know what he meant at the time, but here we are, 438 00:19:22,333 --> 00:19:23,613 Speaker 2: twenty two years on them. 439 00:19:23,693 --> 00:19:25,133 Speaker 3: I clearly understand his message. 440 00:19:25,173 --> 00:19:28,293 Speaker 2: Now let's look at the two teams this week, Christie, 441 00:19:28,573 --> 00:19:30,973 Speaker 2: it's a big well, not pigins for the wallaby some 442 00:19:31,013 --> 00:19:33,373 Speaker 2: inns for the Wallabies, I guess call them and given 443 00:19:33,453 --> 00:19:38,773 Speaker 2: you just assassinated, but you've got Noviously Nick White is 444 00:19:38,813 --> 00:19:40,893 Speaker 2: the big one coming back in at number nine. 445 00:19:40,973 --> 00:19:41,733 Speaker 3: Let's start there. 446 00:19:42,333 --> 00:19:45,373 Speaker 2: I think a lot of Wallaby's fans probably disappointed to 447 00:19:45,733 --> 00:19:51,173 Speaker 2: see that introduction. Sorry that that addition, but Joe revealing 448 00:19:51,213 --> 00:19:52,813 Speaker 2: it was a bit of illness went through the camp 449 00:19:53,333 --> 00:19:57,453 Speaker 2: in Argentina and certainly Jake Gordon and Tate McDermott were 450 00:19:57,573 --> 00:20:00,453 Speaker 2: a bit tired coming back from that journey, but also 451 00:20:00,853 --> 00:20:04,293 Speaker 2: Jake Gordon a fairly unforgivable error that offside there early 452 00:20:04,333 --> 00:20:07,333 Speaker 2: in the second half, which just gave Argentina that ability 453 00:20:07,413 --> 00:20:09,733 Speaker 2: to continue that momentu and that they built late in 454 00:20:09,773 --> 00:20:12,733 Speaker 2: the first half and then scored early after halftime as well. 455 00:20:12,813 --> 00:20:14,533 Speaker 2: I think he's probably paid the price for that. But 456 00:20:14,853 --> 00:20:16,493 Speaker 2: I mean, what's Nick White going to do this with it? 457 00:20:16,533 --> 00:20:18,773 Speaker 2: What does it say about the Wallabies game plan this weekend. 458 00:20:18,813 --> 00:20:21,693 Speaker 6: Well, it's a fascinating if he's been spared because of that, 459 00:20:21,773 --> 00:20:25,133 Speaker 6: it's a really interesting selection and it's a bit of 460 00:20:25,173 --> 00:20:27,453 Speaker 6: a statement there from Joe Schmidt, so I would have 461 00:20:27,493 --> 00:20:29,653 Speaker 6: loved to have heard him talk about that. We didn't 462 00:20:29,693 --> 00:20:31,453 Speaker 6: hear any of that. We didn't hear the reasons the 463 00:20:31,533 --> 00:20:35,373 Speaker 6: rationale really behind Jake Gordon missing out other than a 464 00:20:35,413 --> 00:20:38,013 Speaker 6: somewhat of a mystery illness that's gone through. But let's 465 00:20:38,013 --> 00:20:41,053 Speaker 6: be honest. A week and a half, yeah, a week 466 00:20:41,093 --> 00:20:41,653 Speaker 6: and a half ago. 467 00:20:41,693 --> 00:20:44,653 Speaker 2: Look, Nick White's a prickly character and from what I've 468 00:20:44,693 --> 00:20:46,853 Speaker 2: been told, that's one of the reasons why he's been selected. 469 00:20:47,173 --> 00:20:50,613 Speaker 2: My own concern about that is that Nick what has 470 00:20:50,613 --> 00:20:55,093 Speaker 2: barely played for three months. He started against the spring 471 00:20:55,133 --> 00:20:57,533 Speaker 2: Box in Perth and looked for us and the accuracy 472 00:20:57,533 --> 00:21:00,133 Speaker 2: of his box kick was not there, kicks fast, too 473 00:21:00,173 --> 00:21:02,893 Speaker 2: long and followed actually by Jake Gordon having a pool 474 00:21:02,933 --> 00:21:06,293 Speaker 2: match with the Boot a week earlier. But when you're 475 00:21:06,373 --> 00:21:09,293 Speaker 2: starting someone that's barely played and you're expecting them to 476 00:21:09,293 --> 00:21:11,253 Speaker 2: be perfect, I just don't think it works. And it 477 00:21:11,293 --> 00:21:13,213 Speaker 2: didn't work during the day of any era where it 478 00:21:13,293 --> 00:21:15,973 Speaker 2: was rotating and revolving door at the night. They have 479 00:21:16,093 --> 00:21:17,693 Speaker 2: not been able to set a lot of number nine 480 00:21:17,733 --> 00:21:20,453 Speaker 2: for this team, not since Wilgetty had departed. And I 481 00:21:20,493 --> 00:21:23,413 Speaker 2: think we've seen Nick White's best tests off the bench. 482 00:21:23,573 --> 00:21:25,493 Speaker 2: We saw it in the twenty nineteen World Cup. We 483 00:21:25,573 --> 00:21:27,613 Speaker 2: saw it in twenty fifteen when he scored a match 484 00:21:27,613 --> 00:21:30,053 Speaker 2: when at the Olympic Park there. 485 00:21:30,133 --> 00:21:33,773 Speaker 6: So it's a big call. It's possibly been made with 486 00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:37,933 Speaker 6: the idea of Nola and Coe their partnership, But I 487 00:21:37,973 --> 00:21:40,453 Speaker 6: think the other factor in this is that Nick White's 488 00:21:40,453 --> 00:21:43,453 Speaker 6: a controlling voice, and I don't know if there's enough 489 00:21:43,493 --> 00:21:47,453 Speaker 6: controllers that have won big matches, and when you're trying 490 00:21:47,493 --> 00:21:54,013 Speaker 6: to change the ethos of the side and restore some 491 00:21:54,093 --> 00:21:57,253 Speaker 6: confidence off the back of complete shellaking, where Joe Schmidt 492 00:21:57,253 --> 00:22:00,333 Speaker 6: described it as falling off a cliff. Maybe Nick White 493 00:22:00,373 --> 00:22:03,413 Speaker 6: is the sort of guy that could prove help gens. 494 00:22:03,493 --> 00:22:05,493 Speaker 2: I know Tate McDermott has a lot of fans and 495 00:22:05,573 --> 00:22:08,093 Speaker 2: easy on that you're surprised that the Wallabies haven't used 496 00:22:08,133 --> 00:22:11,013 Speaker 2: him on a more consistent basis over the past few years. 497 00:22:11,053 --> 00:22:12,213 Speaker 3: I don't get the aversion into him. 498 00:22:12,373 --> 00:22:14,653 Speaker 7: I think he's a very very good halfs back and 499 00:22:15,493 --> 00:22:18,093 Speaker 7: better than the other two options in the squad. Is nippy, 500 00:22:18,133 --> 00:22:19,853 Speaker 7: He's really good around the base of the ruck, has 501 00:22:19,893 --> 00:22:21,853 Speaker 7: a strong pass and yet he seems to have been 502 00:22:21,893 --> 00:22:24,333 Speaker 7: cast into being the specialist introl. He looks like a 503 00:22:24,413 --> 00:22:26,173 Speaker 7: leader on the part to me as well. I don't 504 00:22:26,173 --> 00:22:29,133 Speaker 7: give why multiple coaches now I sort of consign them 505 00:22:29,173 --> 00:22:30,573 Speaker 7: to that wearing the twenty one trees. 506 00:22:30,973 --> 00:22:33,333 Speaker 5: If you look at where the global games going from 507 00:22:33,333 --> 00:22:35,293 Speaker 5: a half back perspective, you have to have a running 508 00:22:35,293 --> 00:22:38,093 Speaker 5: threat at nine, and Tate. 509 00:22:38,013 --> 00:22:39,293 Speaker 4: Mcdonnert is that guy. 510 00:22:40,293 --> 00:22:44,333 Speaker 5: Courtiers Artima is to a certain degree, and Cam royguard 511 00:22:44,333 --> 00:22:46,413 Speaker 5: who will come back and be the All Blacks leading 512 00:22:46,453 --> 00:22:49,493 Speaker 5: half back as a lethal threat. Anton Dupoulon, you can 513 00:22:49,533 --> 00:22:52,413 Speaker 5: go through the list, so he's a point of difference. 514 00:22:52,853 --> 00:22:54,853 Speaker 5: When you carry the ball from the ruck, you engage 515 00:22:54,893 --> 00:22:58,213 Speaker 5: those defenders and give them so much more to think 516 00:22:58,253 --> 00:23:00,853 Speaker 5: about rather than just passing from the base. So maybe 517 00:23:00,853 --> 00:23:03,973 Speaker 5: there's a tactical ship with the Worldbees that the All 518 00:23:03,973 --> 00:23:07,453 Speaker 5: Blacks back three were badly exposed and Cape Town by 519 00:23:07,453 --> 00:23:09,133 Speaker 5: the All Blacks, so maybe they're going to piple them 520 00:23:09,133 --> 00:23:11,453 Speaker 5: with highballs and that's why they've gone with neck White. 521 00:23:11,693 --> 00:23:14,813 Speaker 5: But take McDermott for me is by far and away 522 00:23:15,213 --> 00:23:19,173 Speaker 5: the best halfback because he provides that different threat. 523 00:23:19,373 --> 00:23:22,493 Speaker 6: Well. Interestingly, Eddie Jones one and perhaps the selection he's 524 00:23:22,493 --> 00:23:25,213 Speaker 6: got right was topydermot at he played a lot there, 525 00:23:25,253 --> 00:23:27,413 Speaker 6: has even given the captains he wasn't he for that 526 00:23:27,493 --> 00:23:31,653 Speaker 6: Bledisloe clash across the diction dune Eden And indeed that's 527 00:23:31,693 --> 00:23:34,493 Speaker 6: where the Wallabies were outstanding in that first half. So 528 00:23:34,733 --> 00:23:36,933 Speaker 6: I think it's a valid point. And you even look 529 00:23:36,973 --> 00:23:40,933 Speaker 6: against Argentina he of course scored that try in the 530 00:23:40,973 --> 00:23:42,933 Speaker 6: second half, the only points that the wall of he's 531 00:23:42,973 --> 00:23:46,253 Speaker 6: got there, but he also engaged a couple of defenders 532 00:23:46,413 --> 00:23:49,653 Speaker 6: from a set Be's turned Maerka Corabdi back inside, who 533 00:23:49,733 --> 00:23:52,373 Speaker 6: unfortunately then got banged into touch. So would have believed 534 00:23:52,373 --> 00:23:54,453 Speaker 6: that a meter out from the line. But that was 535 00:23:54,493 --> 00:23:57,373 Speaker 6: another highlights, real moment that didn't really get to be 536 00:23:57,453 --> 00:24:02,573 Speaker 6: shyed because Corbeedy didn't finish it off. But you're spot on. 537 00:24:02,693 --> 00:24:04,813 Speaker 6: He is a threat, and I think they need more threats. 538 00:24:05,173 --> 00:24:06,013 Speaker 3: How much Jesse? 539 00:24:06,053 --> 00:24:08,253 Speaker 2: You think the all Bays can think that they can 540 00:24:08,453 --> 00:24:11,013 Speaker 2: overpower this Quallaby team, particularly in the back line because 541 00:24:11,013 --> 00:24:13,173 Speaker 2: it is a small back line that's not better around 542 00:24:13,173 --> 00:24:15,253 Speaker 2: the bush, and that was a small tan Hunha will 543 00:24:15,333 --> 00:24:17,853 Speaker 2: probably plays, you know, a couple of classes out of 544 00:24:17,853 --> 00:24:20,413 Speaker 2: his body weight. He's still a small guy. Icky Tao's 545 00:24:20,413 --> 00:24:23,133 Speaker 2: got power, but built barely low to the ground up 546 00:24:23,173 --> 00:24:26,813 Speaker 2: against you know, Jordi Enrico, Caleb Clark on that wing. 547 00:24:26,693 --> 00:24:27,893 Speaker 3: Up against Andrew Kellaway. 548 00:24:28,693 --> 00:24:31,053 Speaker 2: Do they think they'll see some real ability to to 549 00:24:31,373 --> 00:24:32,973 Speaker 2: I guess, bludgeon the Wallies in the backs? 550 00:24:33,053 --> 00:24:33,573 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so. 551 00:24:33,693 --> 00:24:36,213 Speaker 7: And I think Jordy Barrett has had a relatively quiet 552 00:24:36,213 --> 00:24:38,093 Speaker 7: Test season to this point by his own standards. But 553 00:24:38,093 --> 00:24:39,533 Speaker 7: I think you look at that channel and where he 554 00:24:39,613 --> 00:24:41,653 Speaker 7: might attack on the weekend, Tim Rico Jade. I think 555 00:24:41,693 --> 00:24:45,453 Speaker 7: we'll go down that channel very very often. Trunk make 556 00:24:45,533 --> 00:24:47,933 Speaker 7: some games there. I think they can do that. Cadile 557 00:24:47,933 --> 00:24:49,813 Speaker 7: Clark's been in superb form. We saw him one of 558 00:24:49,853 --> 00:24:51,933 Speaker 7: the probably all Blacks best in that game in Johannesburg. 559 00:24:52,613 --> 00:24:55,093 Speaker 7: He comes back in this week. He can add some 560 00:24:55,133 --> 00:24:57,573 Speaker 7: real running threats out wide. So I think you're right. 561 00:24:57,693 --> 00:25:00,413 Speaker 7: I think Bill Blacks will take the chances. 562 00:25:00,053 --> 00:25:02,293 Speaker 2: There and go man to man. We've probably got one 563 00:25:02,293 --> 00:25:05,533 Speaker 2: of those numbers Laam up front. Harry Wilson a guy 564 00:25:05,573 --> 00:25:07,693 Speaker 2: that Raiser Robins had. It's pretty nice things to say 565 00:25:07,733 --> 00:25:10,053 Speaker 2: about a few years ago when he was on the 566 00:25:10,173 --> 00:25:11,853 Speaker 2: outer with the Wallabies, and I think it was a 567 00:25:11,893 --> 00:25:17,333 Speaker 2: bit like Tate McDermott, the curiousness that why the Wallabies 568 00:25:17,333 --> 00:25:19,533 Speaker 2: weren't giving Harry Wilson more time. He fill out a 569 00:25:19,533 --> 00:25:21,253 Speaker 2: favor under Dave Bran. He didn't get a look in 570 00:25:21,293 --> 00:25:23,933 Speaker 2: under Eddie last year. But he looks like a Joe 571 00:25:23,933 --> 00:25:24,533 Speaker 2: Schmitt player. 572 00:25:25,333 --> 00:25:27,013 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's curious for me. 573 00:25:27,693 --> 00:25:30,893 Speaker 5: He's almost a New Zealand style los forward and has 574 00:25:30,933 --> 00:25:34,853 Speaker 5: ability to offload range in the wide channels. He's got 575 00:25:34,853 --> 00:25:37,893 Speaker 5: all the skills. Maybe he's not the biggest physical specimen. 576 00:25:37,933 --> 00:25:40,933 Speaker 5: Maybe that's why he fell out of favor, but there's 577 00:25:40,973 --> 00:25:44,173 Speaker 5: certainly surprised. He always performs well against KIV teams with 578 00:25:44,253 --> 00:25:49,093 Speaker 5: the Reds, so he works hard, which fills the Joe 579 00:25:49,093 --> 00:25:52,573 Speaker 5: Schmitt Cup. But just in terms of the upfront battle, 580 00:25:52,653 --> 00:25:54,613 Speaker 5: I think that's where the All Blacks. You talk about 581 00:25:54,613 --> 00:25:56,573 Speaker 5: the power based approach, I think that's where they'll really 582 00:25:56,613 --> 00:26:00,573 Speaker 5: come for the Wallabies. Their scrum was disintegrated against the 583 00:26:00,573 --> 00:26:03,213 Speaker 5: Pomas and that's been a real strength of the All 584 00:26:03,213 --> 00:26:06,733 Speaker 5: Blacks this year under Jason Ryan, so I think Mike 585 00:26:06,773 --> 00:26:08,813 Speaker 5: Cron's got a hell of a task hit of them 586 00:26:08,853 --> 00:26:11,973 Speaker 5: to keep their area stable and get some parody there. 587 00:26:11,973 --> 00:26:14,413 Speaker 2: This week, Christie, we put the heat on James Slipper 588 00:26:14,413 --> 00:26:17,773 Speaker 2: and Alan Alatower. James Slipper breaks the record this week 589 00:26:17,813 --> 00:26:20,573 Speaker 2: and he's been an amazing servant of the Wallabies in 590 00:26:20,573 --> 00:26:24,173 Speaker 2: Australian rugby broadly for many years now. But we said 591 00:26:24,173 --> 00:26:25,453 Speaker 2: it a couple of weeks ago as I said that 592 00:26:25,493 --> 00:26:27,413 Speaker 2: there's no hiding from the fact that these two guys 593 00:26:27,413 --> 00:26:30,133 Speaker 2: were put under pressure by the Fijian drawer during Super 594 00:26:30,213 --> 00:26:34,093 Speaker 2: Rugby and again this weekend. I mean, firstly, the Wallabies 595 00:26:34,133 --> 00:26:36,573 Speaker 2: need more than thirty five minutes out of tan yellow tupo. 596 00:26:36,653 --> 00:26:38,253 Speaker 3: Which the way the weather's going, I think we've got 597 00:26:38,293 --> 00:26:39,493 Speaker 3: maybe a little bit cool. 598 00:26:39,373 --> 00:26:41,573 Speaker 2: Than today's sort of twenty four to twenty five degrees, 599 00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:44,533 Speaker 2: maybe a touch cooler. I kick off at four o'clock 600 00:26:44,933 --> 00:26:48,413 Speaker 2: or thereabouts. But they need at least forty five minutes 601 00:26:48,413 --> 00:26:49,693 Speaker 2: from Taniello this week surely. 602 00:26:49,853 --> 00:26:53,613 Speaker 6: Yeah, they certainly do because as our Keywei friends have 603 00:26:53,733 --> 00:26:56,613 Speaker 6: just pointed out, there's not that many ball carriers. It's 604 00:26:56,613 --> 00:26:59,173 Speaker 6: a really small back line. The power game will be 605 00:26:59,213 --> 00:27:01,693 Speaker 6: on display. Caleb Clark will be thinking of what he 606 00:27:01,773 --> 00:27:04,453 Speaker 6: did in that semi final against the Brumbies. I think 607 00:27:04,453 --> 00:27:06,613 Speaker 6: it was where it ran straight over now along the CEO. 608 00:27:06,733 --> 00:27:09,573 Speaker 6: So you need an anger spill and a taniela Tuo 609 00:27:09,573 --> 00:27:12,653 Speaker 6: pay to go a minimum forty five really and that 610 00:27:12,693 --> 00:27:15,333 Speaker 6: should be the expectation now those guys have been back 611 00:27:15,373 --> 00:27:17,613 Speaker 6: for a little while that they managed. I didn't play 612 00:27:17,813 --> 00:27:24,253 Speaker 6: huge minutes so far throughout this international campaign. So the 613 00:27:24,373 --> 00:27:27,333 Speaker 6: scrum the Wallabies have to be there there abouts at 614 00:27:27,373 --> 00:27:30,973 Speaker 6: halftime to have any form of chance. Because it's an 615 00:27:31,013 --> 00:27:34,093 Speaker 6: amazing record that James Slipper is going to be achieving 616 00:27:34,133 --> 00:27:36,493 Speaker 6: this weekend. There's going to be a whole host of 617 00:27:36,533 --> 00:27:40,453 Speaker 6: former Wallaby's there that are flying in to congratulate him, like, 618 00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:42,373 Speaker 6: this is a guy that we should be putting up 619 00:27:42,373 --> 00:27:44,973 Speaker 6: in a mantle right now. Going one hundred and forty tests. 620 00:27:44,973 --> 00:27:47,413 Speaker 6: He's going to be playing an absolute warrior of the game, 621 00:27:47,493 --> 00:27:51,813 Speaker 6: but unfortunately he is struggling and we can't dance around 622 00:27:51,813 --> 00:27:54,573 Speaker 6: that issue at the moment. So yeah, the scrum is 623 00:27:54,573 --> 00:27:56,933 Speaker 6: going to be a big one. And look, you've got 624 00:27:56,973 --> 00:27:59,253 Speaker 6: some giants that you're bringing on and even a safer 625 00:27:59,333 --> 00:28:02,253 Speaker 6: a Moor the hooker, he's humongous and we saw our 626 00:28:02,333 --> 00:28:05,293 Speaker 6: damaging hewards throughout Super Unky two, so gome throw a 627 00:28:05,373 --> 00:28:06,413 Speaker 6: light out to save himself. 628 00:28:07,093 --> 00:28:10,013 Speaker 2: Totally, totally, and you compare to that he's at in 629 00:28:10,013 --> 00:28:11,933 Speaker 2: an area where the Wallabies may be able to get 630 00:28:11,933 --> 00:28:12,813 Speaker 2: a bit of it up well. 631 00:28:12,813 --> 00:28:15,333 Speaker 6: The defensive lineup for the Wallabies has been probably one 632 00:28:15,373 --> 00:28:18,413 Speaker 6: of their strengths throughout the season, so absolutely they'll be 633 00:28:18,453 --> 00:28:21,693 Speaker 6: targeting that. Luke ant Solaqui Lodo comes out off the 634 00:28:21,693 --> 00:28:25,333 Speaker 6: bench too, so Hanger and Moosa and Luke Kahn will 635 00:28:25,573 --> 00:28:30,453 Speaker 6: help the Wallabies at a scrum perspective, particularly Brandon's definitely 636 00:28:30,453 --> 00:28:33,093 Speaker 6: the best scrummaging hooker in Australia and then Lu can't 637 00:28:33,693 --> 00:28:35,893 Speaker 6: packs a fair bit of weight in and so there'll 638 00:28:35,933 --> 00:28:38,373 Speaker 6: be more meat to these bones for this for this park. 639 00:28:38,533 --> 00:28:42,853 Speaker 6: But you're concerned when when your guys are bringing it 640 00:28:42,853 --> 00:28:45,493 Speaker 6: off as sever res off the bench, and we know 641 00:28:45,493 --> 00:28:48,133 Speaker 6: how damaging he was throughout, So yeah. 642 00:28:47,973 --> 00:28:50,253 Speaker 7: Absolutely, I mean in these in the past being used 643 00:28:50,253 --> 00:28:53,333 Speaker 7: by Scott Robertson obviously started most of the games with 644 00:28:53,373 --> 00:28:55,093 Speaker 7: the Crusaders, but in the past is come on in 645 00:28:55,093 --> 00:28:56,973 Speaker 7: their twenty three jersey to the Crusaders and had a 646 00:28:57,053 --> 00:29:00,053 Speaker 7: roving commission to attack the breakdown to basically just pop 647 00:29:00,133 --> 00:29:02,013 Speaker 7: up anywhere on the park. And I can see him 648 00:29:02,013 --> 00:29:03,853 Speaker 7: trying to do the same thing on the week in 649 00:29:03,933 --> 00:29:06,533 Speaker 7: last twenty twenty five minutes because we're discussed with the 650 00:29:06,573 --> 00:29:09,013 Speaker 7: All Blacks have struggled, He's gonna up all over the 651 00:29:09,013 --> 00:29:11,533 Speaker 7: park And there was a step today that Josh mc minschell. 652 00:29:11,533 --> 00:29:13,373 Speaker 7: I think it's been twelve All Blacks players that have 653 00:29:13,413 --> 00:29:17,333 Speaker 7: attacked the breakdown and one breakdown ball this year. Visity 654 00:29:17,453 --> 00:29:19,013 Speaker 7: number of threats that the All Blacks are able to 655 00:29:19,293 --> 00:29:20,853 Speaker 7: try and leation that part of the game. 656 00:29:21,573 --> 00:29:23,973 Speaker 5: Bussileo toss is the other one that Elliott mentioned. There's 657 00:29:24,013 --> 00:29:27,093 Speaker 5: only playing a sick in test. He's a former number 658 00:29:27,173 --> 00:29:31,293 Speaker 5: eight converted to tight end prop, massive unit, very dynamic 659 00:29:31,413 --> 00:29:34,133 Speaker 5: with ball in hands. So he'll come off the bench 660 00:29:34,333 --> 00:29:35,093 Speaker 5: and add. 661 00:29:34,973 --> 00:29:37,133 Speaker 6: Some real punch and Asraezer said today, sir. 662 00:29:39,613 --> 00:29:43,853 Speaker 3: Loves the flood. Don't will Brasen mc right, Christy, we 663 00:29:43,933 --> 00:29:44,693 Speaker 3: haven't mentioned him. 664 00:29:44,973 --> 00:29:46,693 Speaker 2: He kind of felt like the guy that the Wallabies 665 00:29:46,693 --> 00:29:49,653 Speaker 2: miss badly, particularly in that second half in Santa Fe 666 00:29:49,773 --> 00:29:51,613 Speaker 2: two weeks ago. We know his ability to get around 667 00:29:51,613 --> 00:29:54,213 Speaker 2: the paddy, covers a lot of grounds, makes a lot 668 00:29:54,253 --> 00:29:58,133 Speaker 2: of tackles. Great support player Afternoon footy again this week 669 00:29:58,213 --> 00:30:00,573 Speaker 2: it kind of feels like a game Taylor made for Fraser. 670 00:30:00,733 --> 00:30:01,973 Speaker 3: How I guess how. 671 00:30:01,893 --> 00:30:06,413 Speaker 2: Important and he being shifting what was a fairly terrible 672 00:30:06,493 --> 00:30:09,333 Speaker 2: performance from the Wallabies two weeks ago. He's a reasonable 673 00:30:09,333 --> 00:30:11,933 Speaker 2: in as well. Yeah he is, and look I don't 674 00:30:11,973 --> 00:30:14,253 Speaker 2: want to be to negative very thin. But he's come 675 00:30:14,333 --> 00:30:16,573 Speaker 2: back from his miss last full tests, hasn't he? So 676 00:30:16,893 --> 00:30:19,813 Speaker 2: he Paisami has missed the last couple. So there's a 677 00:30:19,893 --> 00:30:22,613 Speaker 2: few new faces into this Wallaby side that are quickly 678 00:30:22,693 --> 00:30:24,093 Speaker 2: going to have to get up to speed and that's 679 00:30:24,133 --> 00:30:26,453 Speaker 2: including on the bench as well with Pangro Moosa having 680 00:30:26,493 --> 00:30:27,813 Speaker 2: not played since the end of March. 681 00:30:27,933 --> 00:30:32,213 Speaker 6: So yes, Fraser is quality. I completely agree. He would 682 00:30:32,253 --> 00:30:37,613 Speaker 6: have been absolutely so helpful in Argentina. He is probably 683 00:30:37,693 --> 00:30:39,413 Speaker 6: the fittest ward. You would have to say from a 684 00:30:39,413 --> 00:30:43,573 Speaker 6: Wallaby's perspective, Tasano is an interesting and no way in 685 00:30:43,613 --> 00:30:47,213 Speaker 6: the world would have ever played both in the starting fifteen. 686 00:30:47,333 --> 00:30:49,333 Speaker 6: And if you're going to include both, I think you 687 00:30:49,333 --> 00:30:51,733 Speaker 6: would have started to Sana to allow Mick right to 688 00:30:52,173 --> 00:30:54,293 Speaker 6: have his running game in the last thirty. But I 689 00:30:54,373 --> 00:30:56,853 Speaker 6: think the fact that he's got such a great relationship 690 00:30:57,013 --> 00:31:00,333 Speaker 6: with Harry Wilson, with Tate McDermott from the Reds piss 691 00:31:00,453 --> 00:31:03,533 Speaker 6: army as well. To have that kind of nucleus of 692 00:31:03,613 --> 00:31:06,893 Speaker 6: the Reds kind of back row loose trio, that's a 693 00:31:07,093 --> 00:31:08,973 Speaker 6: That's an area again the wall will want to be 694 00:31:09,013 --> 00:31:11,813 Speaker 6: able to use, but you can only do that if 695 00:31:11,853 --> 00:31:15,293 Speaker 6: you get some front football. Because mcwright has trouble to 696 00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:17,733 Speaker 6: show against the All Blacks a little bit in the past. 697 00:31:17,853 --> 00:31:21,733 Speaker 6: He hasn't been nearly as effective on the burn. It's 698 00:31:21,813 --> 00:31:25,053 Speaker 6: a game played by Warriors International rugby and that's where 699 00:31:25,453 --> 00:31:28,213 Speaker 6: Sam Caine has really shone for the All Blacks for 700 00:31:28,333 --> 00:31:31,093 Speaker 6: so so long and to have human artist severa up 701 00:31:31,173 --> 00:31:34,293 Speaker 6: against Fraser. You just mentioned that there was twelve guys 702 00:31:34,333 --> 00:31:37,773 Speaker 6: that have got breakdown turnovers. Tausana got three of them 703 00:31:37,813 --> 00:31:42,053 Speaker 6: against Argentina in the first Test, barely any whatsoever in 704 00:31:42,133 --> 00:31:44,653 Speaker 6: that second match. Mcwright's going to have to be able 705 00:31:44,733 --> 00:31:47,573 Speaker 6: to fill the void of Tusana before you get some 706 00:31:47,613 --> 00:31:49,773 Speaker 6: tips poison and we'll wrap up. I want to get 707 00:31:49,773 --> 00:31:52,613 Speaker 6: your thoughts on the Lions next year. I'm sure you'll 708 00:31:52,653 --> 00:31:54,693 Speaker 6: be keen observers from the other side of the tasma. 709 00:31:54,733 --> 00:31:56,573 Speaker 6: Maybe even you might get a cheeky flight over her 710 00:31:56,653 --> 00:31:59,773 Speaker 6: nose for a game or two. But we've seen Ben 711 00:31:59,813 --> 00:32:01,813 Speaker 6: Youngs come out in the last seven days and take 712 00:32:01,813 --> 00:32:04,053 Speaker 6: a shot at the Wallaby saying they should send out 713 00:32:04,053 --> 00:32:06,133 Speaker 6: the twenty thirteen lines or the line should go to 714 00:32:06,213 --> 00:32:09,253 Speaker 6: South Africa. Is there enough time in your mind for 715 00:32:09,613 --> 00:32:10,533 Speaker 6: everything we've said. 716 00:32:10,333 --> 00:32:13,293 Speaker 2: Tonight around the Wallaby's depth is years, the challenge, the 717 00:32:13,373 --> 00:32:16,773 Speaker 2: short time run that Joe Shmi has got into July 718 00:32:16,973 --> 00:32:19,613 Speaker 2: next year, can you see the wall He's taking a 719 00:32:19,733 --> 00:32:21,373 Speaker 2: game from the lines next year? 720 00:32:21,413 --> 00:32:22,933 Speaker 3: Will this be a competitive series. 721 00:32:23,613 --> 00:32:25,533 Speaker 5: Yeah, look forward to coming back next year for the 722 00:32:25,613 --> 00:32:28,493 Speaker 5: POD and us getting stuck into things. 723 00:32:28,853 --> 00:32:29,653 Speaker 4: Look, I think. 724 00:32:31,013 --> 00:32:33,613 Speaker 5: It's very easy to be reactionary after on the back 725 00:32:33,693 --> 00:32:38,013 Speaker 5: of a horrific result, and you know, where as guilty 726 00:32:38,013 --> 00:32:41,333 Speaker 5: as that as anyone. I think there is enough time, 727 00:32:42,213 --> 00:32:45,293 Speaker 5: but you can't deny the scale of the rebuild of 728 00:32:45,333 --> 00:32:48,853 Speaker 5: the challenge. I think you need to bring some overseas 729 00:32:48,933 --> 00:32:52,653 Speaker 5: guys back to add some bulkanank, bulk and experience. Will Skelton, 730 00:32:52,813 --> 00:32:55,493 Speaker 5: you know, it's been really tough to get him out 731 00:32:55,493 --> 00:32:58,533 Speaker 5: of his French club, and there's a couple of others 732 00:32:59,013 --> 00:33:03,173 Speaker 5: that would help. But look, Joe Shmitt is shrewd. He's 733 00:33:03,213 --> 00:33:05,893 Speaker 5: only committed through to the Line series. I think he'll 734 00:33:05,933 --> 00:33:09,333 Speaker 5: have that in mind. It's still a few tests, but no, 735 00:33:09,573 --> 00:33:11,493 Speaker 5: I don't see them taking the test off the lines 736 00:33:11,533 --> 00:33:11,933 Speaker 5: at this point. 737 00:33:11,973 --> 00:33:14,893 Speaker 6: I wouldn't roll it out. I mean the Lions, yeah, 738 00:33:15,053 --> 00:33:15,533 Speaker 6: six weeks. 739 00:33:15,573 --> 00:33:19,013 Speaker 7: They get together beforehand and everyone forgets the Lines actually 740 00:33:19,093 --> 00:33:21,773 Speaker 7: have not had the greatest record. Everyone sees them as 741 00:33:21,773 --> 00:33:24,533 Speaker 7: a superior of four and it's because Ireland a very 742 00:33:24,533 --> 00:33:27,693 Speaker 7: good at moment and England's not bad. But in riality 743 00:33:27,973 --> 00:33:29,893 Speaker 7: they lost to a sou African team that hadn't played 744 00:33:29,933 --> 00:33:31,533 Speaker 7: for eighteen months in the last series. So why do 745 00:33:31,653 --> 00:33:33,773 Speaker 7: we always give the British Irish lines so much respect? 746 00:33:33,853 --> 00:33:34,653 Speaker 3: I just did not get it. 747 00:33:35,533 --> 00:33:38,293 Speaker 6: They also they go, you drew the series of you 748 00:33:38,373 --> 00:33:40,893 Speaker 6: guys in twenty seventeen, so that was apparently while to 749 00:33:40,933 --> 00:33:43,173 Speaker 6: great all Black stating it's looking like it'll be. 750 00:33:43,173 --> 00:33:47,413 Speaker 4: Island is Yeah, I'm know the plan there's started cresting. 751 00:33:47,653 --> 00:33:51,013 Speaker 2: Andy Farrell coach, of course, would you Emily on his 752 00:33:51,173 --> 00:33:53,973 Speaker 2: Island starting team with a few key editions, Christie, I 753 00:33:54,093 --> 00:33:56,013 Speaker 2: know there's a lot of well not a hell of 754 00:33:56,013 --> 00:33:57,413 Speaker 2: a lot of time it went now and then, but 755 00:33:58,693 --> 00:34:01,813 Speaker 2: we've got this test, the return gaming weally to next 756 00:34:01,853 --> 00:34:04,373 Speaker 2: week and then the spring tour and then basically that's 757 00:34:04,413 --> 00:34:06,973 Speaker 2: it the line until the lines arrived next year. And 758 00:34:07,093 --> 00:34:08,853 Speaker 2: what do you want to see this week end? Joe 759 00:34:08,853 --> 00:34:13,533 Speaker 2: Schmidt has talked a lot about he's a pragmatist. He 760 00:34:13,613 --> 00:34:16,973 Speaker 2: wants to see just improvements from particularly in those areas 761 00:34:16,973 --> 00:34:19,933 Speaker 2: that were so bad in that second half in Santa Fe. 762 00:34:20,653 --> 00:34:22,653 Speaker 2: I guess what's a step forward this week for the 763 00:34:22,693 --> 00:34:24,093 Speaker 2: Wallabies If it's not a victory? 764 00:34:24,813 --> 00:34:26,893 Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't say bang a victory and I think 765 00:34:26,973 --> 00:34:30,853 Speaker 6: All Blacks will win well. But I think interestingly, the 766 00:34:30,893 --> 00:34:33,413 Speaker 6: Wallabies typically do respond really well off the back of 767 00:34:33,453 --> 00:34:36,373 Speaker 6: the big loss. We've seen that for a long long 768 00:34:36,493 --> 00:34:39,213 Speaker 6: time in Bledisloughs. We saw it in twenty seventeen when 769 00:34:39,253 --> 00:34:41,613 Speaker 6: they nearly went and Dune Eden, and then we saw 770 00:34:41,693 --> 00:34:44,053 Speaker 6: it even last year in dun Eden. We're off the 771 00:34:44,133 --> 00:34:47,933 Speaker 6: back of a comprehensive loss. So there is definitely history 772 00:34:47,973 --> 00:34:49,733 Speaker 6: as well as the fact that new wall of these 773 00:34:49,773 --> 00:34:52,293 Speaker 6: coaches have typically done well against the All Blacks, But 774 00:34:53,293 --> 00:34:56,093 Speaker 6: history aside, I think what you need to see from 775 00:34:56,173 --> 00:34:59,213 Speaker 6: them is to see some starts start to come through 776 00:34:59,333 --> 00:35:01,453 Speaker 6: and if Joe Schmid is going to stick solid with 777 00:35:01,533 --> 00:35:07,813 Speaker 6: these guys, look, I think I think you'd want to 778 00:35:07,853 --> 00:35:09,853 Speaker 6: see this to ability with the hearts as the real 779 00:35:09,973 --> 00:35:12,773 Speaker 6: crucial element. To me, I just think the fact that 780 00:35:13,213 --> 00:35:15,333 Speaker 6: we're seeing and I know that Noah's had an injury 781 00:35:15,453 --> 00:35:19,813 Speaker 6: or so and he missed the last test, but Scott 782 00:35:19,893 --> 00:35:22,453 Speaker 6: Robinson has decided to stick with Damian McKenzie under so 783 00:35:22,653 --> 00:35:24,893 Speaker 6: much pressure this year, with a lot of people saying 784 00:35:24,933 --> 00:35:26,773 Speaker 6: he's not the solution. Well, I think we need to 785 00:35:26,893 --> 00:35:30,213 Speaker 6: see someone stick with ten here at the moment, perhaps 786 00:35:30,293 --> 00:35:32,413 Speaker 6: the nine, and I'm surprised he's gone back to Nick 787 00:35:32,493 --> 00:35:35,093 Speaker 6: White for this match, but that's what I want to see, 788 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,813 Speaker 6: some stability there in selection because they're not going to 789 00:35:38,853 --> 00:35:42,413 Speaker 6: get anywhere by just continually throwing in the next debutante. 790 00:35:42,533 --> 00:35:45,573 Speaker 6: Sixteen is way too many, So yeah, stability. 791 00:35:46,053 --> 00:35:49,293 Speaker 2: Sixty thousand crowds remembered this week certainly, I think that's 792 00:35:49,333 --> 00:35:51,813 Speaker 2: what are are talking about. There'll be a lot of 793 00:35:51,853 --> 00:35:54,173 Speaker 2: Wallabies fans. They'll be giving the team another chance. I 794 00:35:54,213 --> 00:35:57,253 Speaker 2: guess what's then we'll have people walking away from this 795 00:35:57,373 --> 00:36:00,333 Speaker 2: weekend as a good score line. You're not seeing any 796 00:36:00,453 --> 00:36:03,213 Speaker 2: chance of a victory, is it, say, within fifteen to 797 00:36:03,253 --> 00:36:06,413 Speaker 2: twenty points? Yeah, look, I think ten points would be 798 00:36:06,773 --> 00:36:10,213 Speaker 2: if they couldn't loose po ten. I think at least 799 00:36:10,213 --> 00:36:12,293 Speaker 2: you're thinking that for it's going to be a dry track, 800 00:36:12,933 --> 00:36:15,533 Speaker 2: so there's no excuses from a weather perspective. It should 801 00:36:15,533 --> 00:36:18,093 Speaker 2: be an attractive game to get watch, So maybe that's 802 00:36:18,413 --> 00:36:21,093 Speaker 2: what your hope. Fans leave thinking. You know what, the 803 00:36:21,133 --> 00:36:23,413 Speaker 2: All Blacks might might win, and they might win well, 804 00:36:23,493 --> 00:36:24,533 Speaker 2: but bloody hell, they. 805 00:36:24,453 --> 00:36:27,013 Speaker 6: Played some great rugby, so we want to see people 806 00:36:27,373 --> 00:36:30,213 Speaker 6: walk away from rugby in a positive mind. 807 00:36:30,933 --> 00:36:32,133 Speaker 3: Denzil All Blacks by how many? 808 00:36:32,973 --> 00:36:35,013 Speaker 5: I think the line with New Zealand book makers is 809 00:36:35,453 --> 00:36:37,453 Speaker 5: thirteen and a half and I think most New zeal 810 00:36:37,493 --> 00:36:41,453 Speaker 5: And rugby fans argue in the context of recent results 811 00:36:41,493 --> 00:36:44,453 Speaker 5: would would be disappointed if it's not their margin. 812 00:36:45,173 --> 00:36:47,533 Speaker 3: Flacks by twenty. 813 00:36:47,613 --> 00:36:49,373 Speaker 2: If you're a Wallaby span looking for a stat the 814 00:36:49,973 --> 00:36:52,613 Speaker 2: Wellabies are undefeated with key Week coaches in their first 815 00:36:52,693 --> 00:36:55,293 Speaker 2: game against the All Blacks Robbie Deans of course winning 816 00:36:55,333 --> 00:36:58,053 Speaker 2: at Stadium Australia in twoes and eight I think it was. 817 00:36:58,133 --> 00:36:59,253 Speaker 3: And then Dave Ready. 818 00:36:59,053 --> 00:37:01,133 Speaker 2: Coming within a couple of coats of de lux there 819 00:37:01,293 --> 00:37:04,453 Speaker 2: in Wellington of any along drought on New Zealand soil, 820 00:37:04,573 --> 00:37:07,533 Speaker 2: so the straws are everywhere. Ifutch you're calling that back 821 00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:09,253 Speaker 2: bit of one that hold on to it this week, 822 00:37:09,333 --> 00:37:11,693 Speaker 2: give you heading to the course stadium. Gents, thanks very 823 00:37:11,733 --> 00:37:14,333 Speaker 2: much for coming in. Fantastic have you in the schmid house. 824 00:37:14,413 --> 00:37:16,933 Speaker 2: Christie is ever good to see you, mate. And that's 825 00:37:17,013 --> 00:37:19,573 Speaker 2: it from us for this letter, Slow special, enjoy the 826 00:37:19,613 --> 00:37:22,213 Speaker 2: footy on Saturday afternoon. We'll bring you all the fallout, 827 00:37:22,693 --> 00:37:24,813 Speaker 2: all the reaction here at ESPN. 828 00:37:27,253 --> 00:37:29,813 Speaker 1: For more from News Talk, set B listen live on 829 00:37:30,013 --> 00:37:32,933 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 830 00:37:33,013 --> 00:37:35,573 Speaker 1: you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio