1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,507 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,627 --> 00:00:16,347 Speaker 2: Ed B Sharco is a featured documentary about New Zealand 4 00:00:16,427 --> 00:00:20,947 Speaker 2: rugby league legend Mark Sharko Graham and his prime Mark Graham, 5 00:00:20,987 --> 00:00:23,547 Speaker 2: the best rugby league player in the world, renowned for 6 00:00:23,627 --> 00:00:28,347 Speaker 2: his size, his speed, his skill and his toughness. Sharko 7 00:00:28,627 --> 00:00:32,147 Speaker 2: includes interviews with Graham, Low, Wally Lewis, Steve Roach, Hugh McGann, 8 00:00:32,267 --> 00:00:35,427 Speaker 2: Paul Voughton and many others. But it's about more than 9 00:00:35,467 --> 00:00:38,947 Speaker 2: just rugby league and our best ever rugby league player. 10 00:00:39,107 --> 00:00:42,707 Speaker 2: It has written, directed and produced by Mark Graham's son, 11 00:00:42,947 --> 00:00:46,387 Speaker 2: Luke Graham. Mark and Luke Graham are both in studio 12 00:00:46,427 --> 00:00:48,227 Speaker 2: here at News Talks. He'd be great to see you both. 13 00:00:48,467 --> 00:00:53,307 Speaker 2: Congratulations on Sharko. It is a brilliant watch. Look can 14 00:00:53,307 --> 00:00:55,187 Speaker 2: I start with you? Are you happy with the way 15 00:00:55,227 --> 00:00:55,987 Speaker 2: that it's come out? 16 00:00:56,707 --> 00:00:57,507 Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, Thank you. 17 00:00:57,587 --> 00:01:01,187 Speaker 4: Firstly, thanks for having us, appreciate the support. It's been 18 00:01:01,267 --> 00:01:04,147 Speaker 4: a few years in the making, as you'd expect, but 19 00:01:04,427 --> 00:01:08,187 Speaker 4: it's I'm glad it's over, but it was. It was 20 00:01:08,187 --> 00:01:11,307 Speaker 4: an amazing experience to kind of relive the past. Some 21 00:01:11,347 --> 00:01:13,947 Speaker 4: good things some bad things, but I'm really happy to 22 00:01:13,947 --> 00:01:15,307 Speaker 4: get it out there to the public and see what 23 00:01:15,307 --> 00:01:15,667 Speaker 4: they think. 24 00:01:15,827 --> 00:01:18,947 Speaker 2: Look, can you tell us about the motivation behind Sharko. 25 00:01:19,027 --> 00:01:21,947 Speaker 2: When did it start as a German of an idea 26 00:01:21,987 --> 00:01:23,907 Speaker 2: and how did it grow to the point where you thought, right, 27 00:01:23,907 --> 00:01:24,507 Speaker 2: I'm going to make this. 28 00:01:27,067 --> 00:01:29,547 Speaker 4: Well, it's it's it's I guess it's been sitting with 29 00:01:29,587 --> 00:01:32,027 Speaker 4: me for a very long time, to be honest. It's 30 00:01:32,787 --> 00:01:35,667 Speaker 4: you know, my father's always been you know, he's my 31 00:01:36,027 --> 00:01:39,587 Speaker 4: idol to this to this day, and it was Rugby 32 00:01:39,667 --> 00:01:44,187 Speaker 4: Leagu's always been part of our family. And when you're 33 00:01:44,227 --> 00:01:46,907 Speaker 4: doing films, you really like to do things you can 34 00:01:46,907 --> 00:01:49,747 Speaker 4: to stick with and you believe in, and things you 35 00:01:49,747 --> 00:01:54,107 Speaker 4: you love. And I love Rugby League, I love my 36 00:01:54,187 --> 00:01:57,867 Speaker 4: father and I was I was really happy to be 37 00:01:57,907 --> 00:02:00,227 Speaker 4: able to get the opportunity to make this film. So 38 00:02:00,667 --> 00:02:03,947 Speaker 4: it's it's been forty plus years in the making, but 39 00:02:04,067 --> 00:02:05,947 Speaker 4: it's been six years germinating. 40 00:02:06,067 --> 00:02:10,307 Speaker 2: Well, it's amazing. Mark. You said during the during the 41 00:02:10,347 --> 00:02:12,947 Speaker 2: doco that you rarely only agreed to do it because 42 00:02:12,947 --> 00:02:15,147 Speaker 2: it was Luke who was doing it. You wouldn't necessarily 43 00:02:15,227 --> 00:02:17,987 Speaker 2: have done it if an independent person off the street 44 00:02:18,027 --> 00:02:19,587 Speaker 2: who you didn't know, had asked you about it? How 45 00:02:19,587 --> 00:02:20,987 Speaker 2: did you find the process? 46 00:02:22,107 --> 00:02:26,067 Speaker 3: Absolutely though I would have said no, and yeah, well 47 00:02:26,107 --> 00:02:27,787 Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't really have anything much to do 48 00:02:27,867 --> 00:02:32,067 Speaker 3: with except Luke organized for me to answer some questions 49 00:02:32,147 --> 00:02:34,947 Speaker 3: in an old tin shed and it rained, so we 50 00:02:34,947 --> 00:02:38,627 Speaker 3: had to do it again the next day. And that's 51 00:02:38,747 --> 00:02:41,787 Speaker 3: that's I've had no input other than that. Yeah, so 52 00:02:42,587 --> 00:02:45,547 Speaker 3: I to watch it there. I've watched a couple of 53 00:02:45,587 --> 00:02:50,187 Speaker 3: different versions of it. Yeah, and I've been totally blown away. 54 00:02:50,267 --> 00:02:52,987 Speaker 3: But how good Lucas at what he does so at 55 00:02:53,027 --> 00:02:58,387 Speaker 3: his profession, which is a storytelling event, and he's done 56 00:02:58,387 --> 00:02:59,067 Speaker 3: a wonderful job. 57 00:02:59,187 --> 00:03:01,907 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're you're right. It's it's brilliantly told. And 58 00:03:01,987 --> 00:03:03,667 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about sitting in that shed. 59 00:03:03,667 --> 00:03:06,947 Speaker 2: It's very rustic, isn't it. The background? Well chosen Luke 60 00:03:07,027 --> 00:03:08,747 Speaker 2: for Mark to be sitting there. But you see what 61 00:03:08,787 --> 00:03:10,067 Speaker 2: it rained one day, so you get to do it 62 00:03:10,107 --> 00:03:11,787 Speaker 2: the next day. So how many hours were we actually 63 00:03:11,987 --> 00:03:14,707 Speaker 2: sitting in that chair? And that sherarning to one another. 64 00:03:16,107 --> 00:03:17,907 Speaker 3: Good question a bit eight to ten. 65 00:03:18,387 --> 00:03:18,987 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it was. 66 00:03:19,067 --> 00:03:20,187 Speaker 3: It was actually I was. 67 00:03:22,307 --> 00:03:26,067 Speaker 4: As you'd expect you you filmed for a long long time, 68 00:03:26,107 --> 00:03:28,467 Speaker 4: and even all the rest of the interviews we've probably filmed. 69 00:03:28,907 --> 00:03:31,547 Speaker 4: I probably filmed three hundred plus hours of interviews, well 70 00:03:31,827 --> 00:03:35,307 Speaker 4: for eighty three minutes for an eighty three minute documentary. 71 00:03:35,307 --> 00:03:37,067 Speaker 4: But that's what you have to do when you're having 72 00:03:37,107 --> 00:03:39,827 Speaker 4: those having those yarns with people. And I got to say, 73 00:03:39,827 --> 00:03:41,347 Speaker 4: footy plays a very good story. 74 00:03:41,347 --> 00:03:44,907 Speaker 2: Tell us, well, they certainly are, and that comes through 75 00:03:44,947 --> 00:03:47,667 Speaker 2: and all of the interviews that you've done so post production, 76 00:03:47,787 --> 00:03:50,947 Speaker 2: the post you know, doing all of the interviews, all 77 00:03:50,987 --> 00:03:53,627 Speaker 2: that raw footage. Awe, those hours and hours and hours. 78 00:03:54,147 --> 00:03:56,547 Speaker 2: Tell us about the process then of getting it down 79 00:03:56,587 --> 00:03:59,387 Speaker 2: to your eighty three minutes, Well, I was. 80 00:03:59,707 --> 00:04:01,467 Speaker 4: I think my first cut was about four and a 81 00:04:01,507 --> 00:04:05,307 Speaker 4: half hours, and I think I had definitely enjoyed it, 82 00:04:05,627 --> 00:04:08,107 Speaker 4: and I feel my friends did. But we really needed 83 00:04:08,107 --> 00:04:11,027 Speaker 4: to cut it down for an actual audience. So I 84 00:04:11,067 --> 00:04:15,107 Speaker 4: had some very lucky to have some talented and very 85 00:04:15,147 --> 00:04:18,587 Speaker 4: honest people around me, and well, you know, it did 86 00:04:18,587 --> 00:04:20,947 Speaker 4: take a long time because I am very stubborn and 87 00:04:21,387 --> 00:04:23,947 Speaker 4: I am very disagreeable at some things. But we got 88 00:04:24,027 --> 00:04:26,107 Speaker 4: down to we got it down over about six to 89 00:04:26,147 --> 00:04:29,467 Speaker 4: eight months through the edit, and we got to a 90 00:04:29,507 --> 00:04:32,707 Speaker 4: really good place, and I am to be honest. Without 91 00:04:33,107 --> 00:04:36,267 Speaker 4: the editors, there's many people in making that edit happen, 92 00:04:36,507 --> 00:04:38,627 Speaker 4: so without them, we wouldn't be here today. 93 00:04:39,027 --> 00:04:41,067 Speaker 2: Mark. Another thing that you said, I think quite near 94 00:04:41,107 --> 00:04:43,867 Speaker 2: the start actually was that you weren't sure anyone would 95 00:04:43,947 --> 00:04:46,067 Speaker 2: actually remember you or want to watch it, which I 96 00:04:46,067 --> 00:04:49,507 Speaker 2: think was very self deprecating. Does your rugby league career 97 00:04:49,587 --> 00:04:51,907 Speaker 2: now feel like it was almost something that happened in 98 00:04:51,907 --> 00:04:52,787 Speaker 2: the past life or not? 99 00:04:53,747 --> 00:04:56,867 Speaker 3: Yeah? Pretty much. Absolutely. You know, to have the good 100 00:04:56,907 --> 00:05:00,107 Speaker 3: fortune that I had and some of the accolades and 101 00:05:00,147 --> 00:05:04,107 Speaker 3: awards that I've won, it seems very much like a 102 00:05:04,107 --> 00:05:08,187 Speaker 3: Walt Disney movie, you know, where everything comes, everything works 103 00:05:08,227 --> 00:05:11,947 Speaker 3: out in the end. And yeah, as I've said this 104 00:05:11,987 --> 00:05:15,667 Speaker 3: on many occasions and will continue to say, you can't 105 00:05:15,667 --> 00:05:18,867 Speaker 3: be a good rugby league player in a team unless 106 00:05:19,027 --> 00:05:22,267 Speaker 3: you play with good players. So I was very fortunate. 107 00:05:22,867 --> 00:05:25,307 Speaker 2: When you look back, or when you think back, actually, 108 00:05:25,547 --> 00:05:28,147 Speaker 2: how often do you do you think back on your 109 00:05:28,227 --> 00:05:30,547 Speaker 2: rugby league career? What do you think about a game 110 00:05:30,587 --> 00:05:33,187 Speaker 2: of rugby league every day? For example? 111 00:05:34,107 --> 00:05:38,747 Speaker 3: No, never have the ever? Well, I that was a 112 00:05:38,747 --> 00:05:42,507 Speaker 3: wonderful period of my life, but now I'm retired, and 113 00:05:43,027 --> 00:05:45,627 Speaker 3: I've got other things to think about, mainly my bad 114 00:05:45,667 --> 00:05:47,267 Speaker 3: golf swing and what I'm going to do for the 115 00:05:47,267 --> 00:05:48,107 Speaker 3: rest of the afternoon. 116 00:05:49,547 --> 00:05:51,827 Speaker 2: I think those are questions for a lot of us actually, 117 00:05:53,187 --> 00:05:55,907 Speaker 2: But when you do reflect back, and I guess you know, 118 00:05:56,187 --> 00:05:58,387 Speaker 2: going through the process of making this documentary would have 119 00:05:58,427 --> 00:06:01,067 Speaker 2: almost in some ways forced you to what is it 120 00:06:01,067 --> 00:06:05,747 Speaker 2: that stands out most vividly about your days playing rugby league? 121 00:06:05,747 --> 00:06:06,467 Speaker 2: At the top left. 122 00:06:08,187 --> 00:06:11,547 Speaker 3: See a good question. I don't know if anything really 123 00:06:11,747 --> 00:06:16,827 Speaker 3: particularly stands yet. I think rugby league in the past 124 00:06:16,867 --> 00:06:19,467 Speaker 3: has been plagued and I don't know and will most 125 00:06:19,467 --> 00:06:23,427 Speaker 3: probably continue to be plagued by a bad administration. There 126 00:06:23,427 --> 00:06:26,667 Speaker 3: seems to be plenty of it. I've played for North 127 00:06:26,707 --> 00:06:31,587 Speaker 3: Sydney and we used to be it would get a 128 00:06:31,627 --> 00:06:34,187 Speaker 3: new coach every couple of years, and for some reason, 129 00:06:35,107 --> 00:06:36,867 Speaker 3: some bloke who didn't know the rules of the game 130 00:06:37,107 --> 00:06:39,347 Speaker 3: or didn't know much about the game was coaching in 131 00:06:39,387 --> 00:06:41,747 Speaker 3: first grade in Sydney. So I was in shock most 132 00:06:41,787 --> 00:06:44,507 Speaker 3: of the time about that. But I never backward and 133 00:06:44,587 --> 00:06:48,427 Speaker 3: coming forward, so he knew how I felt about him 134 00:06:48,467 --> 00:06:49,187 Speaker 3: pretty quickly. 135 00:06:50,067 --> 00:06:54,147 Speaker 2: There's some amazing footage Luke that you've procured from from 136 00:06:54,227 --> 00:06:56,867 Speaker 2: you know, Kiwi's matches in particular. Man, those are some 137 00:06:56,907 --> 00:06:59,027 Speaker 2: memory triggers in there for those of us who grew 138 00:06:59,147 --> 00:07:01,227 Speaker 2: up watching those wonderful Kiwis teams. Did you have any 139 00:07:01,267 --> 00:07:04,867 Speaker 2: trouble getting the archival footage? Was it relatively straightforward to 140 00:07:04,907 --> 00:07:06,267 Speaker 2: come by? 141 00:07:06,107 --> 00:07:11,027 Speaker 4: S badly A rugby league hasn't been I guess the archive, 142 00:07:11,107 --> 00:07:14,867 Speaker 4: the history hasn't been respected, especially from the video. The 143 00:07:14,907 --> 00:07:18,187 Speaker 4: video perspective, it was in the eighties and even the 144 00:07:18,227 --> 00:07:20,627 Speaker 4: previous film they did which we used footage of Dad in. 145 00:07:21,787 --> 00:07:24,107 Speaker 4: When we tried to get footage, one of the networks 146 00:07:24,147 --> 00:07:26,507 Speaker 4: in Australia had the rights. They lost it. They burnt 147 00:07:26,547 --> 00:07:29,307 Speaker 4: all their archive. They didn't hand it over to the 148 00:07:29,347 --> 00:07:31,987 Speaker 4: new South Lazeraby League or anything. And that's kind of 149 00:07:32,267 --> 00:07:35,107 Speaker 4: the way it was. So you know, half the time 150 00:07:35,147 --> 00:07:38,347 Speaker 4: we were we got footage from broadcast or etc. But 151 00:07:38,467 --> 00:07:41,267 Speaker 4: you know the other half it was John O who 152 00:07:41,307 --> 00:07:44,307 Speaker 4: recorded it on his VHS to his TV in nineteen 153 00:07:44,347 --> 00:07:48,507 Speaker 4: eighty three and he kept a DVD and he contacted 154 00:07:48,547 --> 00:07:51,147 Speaker 4: me or contacted someone else and we were lucky enough 155 00:07:51,147 --> 00:07:53,307 Speaker 4: to get that footage. So it was it was a 156 00:07:53,307 --> 00:07:56,707 Speaker 4: bit of a journey doing the archive, but luckily we 157 00:07:56,787 --> 00:07:57,547 Speaker 4: got there in the end. 158 00:07:57,707 --> 00:08:00,067 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it adds so much to it, you know. 159 00:08:00,187 --> 00:08:02,467 Speaker 2: You you know, Mark, you talk about some of these 160 00:08:02,507 --> 00:08:04,467 Speaker 2: games or some of the other into viewees do and 161 00:08:04,507 --> 00:08:07,467 Speaker 2: then you see that footage and and again it's just 162 00:08:07,547 --> 00:08:11,187 Speaker 2: so well done, you guys. It just is a really 163 00:08:11,227 --> 00:08:13,307 Speaker 2: really good piece of work. Just back to the edit. 164 00:08:14,147 --> 00:08:16,227 Speaker 2: Look interested, you know you said you had four and 165 00:08:16,227 --> 00:08:18,307 Speaker 2: a half hours worth and you thought, oh, that's pretty good. 166 00:08:18,347 --> 00:08:20,227 Speaker 2: Down to eighty three. Did it get to the point 167 00:08:20,227 --> 00:08:22,187 Speaker 2: where you were just watching it so much that actually 168 00:08:22,267 --> 00:08:24,307 Speaker 2: you were a bit of a law of diminishing return 169 00:08:24,347 --> 00:08:26,227 Speaker 2: and you thought, I've watched this too much. I can't 170 00:08:26,227 --> 00:08:29,107 Speaker 2: possibly be dispassionate about it anymore. 171 00:08:29,747 --> 00:08:32,747 Speaker 4: Well, well, definitely, to be honest, I'll be honest with filmmaking, 172 00:08:32,867 --> 00:08:36,507 Speaker 4: is I I changed the edit and we changed a 173 00:08:36,507 --> 00:08:38,627 Speaker 4: few shots and hopefully this just doesn't go across to 174 00:08:38,667 --> 00:08:41,307 Speaker 4: Australia suscreen Australians from Queensland don't here. But we changed 175 00:08:41,347 --> 00:08:44,947 Speaker 4: a few shots recently. And you you know, as a filmmaker, 176 00:08:44,947 --> 00:08:47,307 Speaker 4: that's part of you know, as a rugby league player, 177 00:08:47,307 --> 00:08:48,907 Speaker 4: you've got to train, you've got to eat, right, you're 178 00:08:48,907 --> 00:08:51,707 Speaker 4: going to sleep as a filmmaker. You just you know, 179 00:08:51,787 --> 00:08:55,387 Speaker 4: I've seen that film a thousand times. When you're when 180 00:08:55,747 --> 00:08:58,267 Speaker 4: we were watching the cinema, I was looking. I was 181 00:08:58,307 --> 00:09:01,227 Speaker 4: still picking out mistakes in everything that we were doing, 182 00:09:01,907 --> 00:09:04,827 Speaker 4: and I was thinking, oh gosh, oh no, but it's 183 00:09:04,867 --> 00:09:07,387 Speaker 4: you know, it's it's part and parcel to filmmaking. 184 00:09:07,467 --> 00:09:11,027 Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, Cross you have to beer. Probably that 185 00:09:11,307 --> 00:09:15,107 Speaker 2: you'll never be, never be entirely pleased. Mark. You were 186 00:09:15,267 --> 00:09:19,907 Speaker 2: obviously well known for the incredible toughness that you brought 187 00:09:19,907 --> 00:09:22,387 Speaker 2: to the rugby league field and the punishment you took, 188 00:09:22,507 --> 00:09:24,947 Speaker 2: the physical punishment you took. Do you have any lasting 189 00:09:24,947 --> 00:09:25,627 Speaker 2: effects from that? 190 00:09:28,147 --> 00:09:32,147 Speaker 3: My wife would mostually say so, Jason. She's always getting 191 00:09:32,147 --> 00:09:35,227 Speaker 3: onto me saying, you keep forgetting things like that. I 192 00:09:35,347 --> 00:09:36,747 Speaker 3: just wanted to don't want to do what she asked 193 00:09:36,787 --> 00:09:38,987 Speaker 3: me to do. But I can use it as a 194 00:09:38,987 --> 00:09:39,587 Speaker 3: bit of a crux. 195 00:09:39,867 --> 00:09:42,627 Speaker 2: Yes, But what about physically you're able to? I mean 196 00:09:42,627 --> 00:09:45,107 Speaker 2: I can only tell by looking at the You know, 197 00:09:45,227 --> 00:09:47,587 Speaker 2: you're in pretty good physical shape. Still you okay to 198 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:49,827 Speaker 2: get around? You can get around a golf course obviously. 199 00:09:49,467 --> 00:09:52,187 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like you know, I trained, they still train. 200 00:09:52,227 --> 00:09:55,787 Speaker 3: I lift weights, so lift heavy weights. I play a 201 00:09:55,787 --> 00:09:58,467 Speaker 3: bit of golf. I've had a neck operation and a 202 00:09:58,587 --> 00:10:03,907 Speaker 3: shoulder reversal, and they wanted to give me a knee 203 00:10:05,107 --> 00:10:08,467 Speaker 3: something to do with my knee. Knee anyway, it was 204 00:10:08,467 --> 00:10:12,507 Speaker 3: a big one. Anyway, just changed my diet and so 205 00:10:12,547 --> 00:10:18,867 Speaker 3: I don't have sugar, dairy or gluten, and all my 206 00:10:19,027 --> 00:10:21,867 Speaker 3: inflammatory markers have dropped and I'm good to go. 207 00:10:22,107 --> 00:10:23,347 Speaker 2: Great to hear, great to hear. 208 00:10:23,387 --> 00:10:23,667 Speaker 3: Thank you. 209 00:10:24,227 --> 00:10:26,907 Speaker 2: Look, this is a documentary about rugby league and about 210 00:10:26,907 --> 00:10:29,227 Speaker 2: a rugby league player, obviously, but it's also about family 211 00:10:29,507 --> 00:10:32,827 Speaker 2: and the tragedy that hit your family with the death 212 00:10:32,867 --> 00:10:37,347 Speaker 2: of Matthew, your son Mark, your brother Luke. How confronting 213 00:10:37,707 --> 00:10:40,467 Speaker 2: Luke was that to relive well. 214 00:10:40,347 --> 00:10:45,107 Speaker 4: Yet, to be honest, and I'll say that with the 215 00:10:45,307 --> 00:10:46,987 Speaker 4: Dad and I hadn't talked about it before, and that 216 00:10:47,027 --> 00:10:49,187 Speaker 4: was one of the first things when I was discussing 217 00:10:49,227 --> 00:10:52,507 Speaker 4: the idea with Dad was that I wanted to bring 218 00:10:52,627 --> 00:10:58,107 Speaker 4: up about Matthew's passing because it wasn't It's something that 219 00:10:58,147 --> 00:11:01,507 Speaker 4: we'd lived through, we'd kind of exactly what it was. 220 00:11:01,547 --> 00:11:03,467 Speaker 4: In the film. We didn't talk about it prior. We 221 00:11:03,467 --> 00:11:05,587 Speaker 4: haven't talked about it prior. We talked about it then 222 00:11:05,587 --> 00:11:08,747 Speaker 4: and there and we were and as you could you 223 00:11:08,747 --> 00:11:11,587 Speaker 4: could see that we were on very similar wavelinks with 224 00:11:11,627 --> 00:11:13,547 Speaker 4: it and how we dealt with it, et cetera. And 225 00:11:13,587 --> 00:11:17,227 Speaker 4: that was kind of the way we survived was by 226 00:11:17,267 --> 00:11:19,027 Speaker 4: dealing with it like that. But it was what was 227 00:11:19,067 --> 00:11:24,027 Speaker 4: really important, especially for myself, was that we were communicating 228 00:11:24,467 --> 00:11:27,987 Speaker 4: to an audience about something that every single human being 229 00:11:28,627 --> 00:11:31,027 Speaker 4: deals with in some way, shape or form. No one's 230 00:11:31,067 --> 00:11:34,547 Speaker 4: really superman, no one's bulletproof. We all feel no matter 231 00:11:34,587 --> 00:11:37,347 Speaker 4: who we are in this world, and it's really important 232 00:11:37,347 --> 00:11:39,627 Speaker 4: that you know, certainly, just as a filmmaker myself, to 233 00:11:40,147 --> 00:11:44,347 Speaker 4: to comm to communicate to the public that it's okay, 234 00:11:44,667 --> 00:11:47,027 Speaker 4: it's okay. You know, sometimes we feel down, sometimes we 235 00:11:47,067 --> 00:11:50,627 Speaker 4: feel great, But make sure that you communicate to those 236 00:11:50,627 --> 00:11:52,307 Speaker 4: people around you or if you can see someone, give 237 00:11:52,347 --> 00:11:52,787 Speaker 4: them a hand. 238 00:11:53,787 --> 00:11:58,747 Speaker 2: It's incredibly authentic. It's pretty raw, pretty harrowing. Mark. How 239 00:11:58,747 --> 00:12:01,267 Speaker 2: have you managed to move on in your life after 240 00:12:01,587 --> 00:12:02,387 Speaker 2: such a tragedy? 241 00:12:03,667 --> 00:12:05,427 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, Well, as I think, as Luke just 242 00:12:05,467 --> 00:12:08,027 Speaker 3: pointed out Jason, that the fact of the matter is 243 00:12:08,067 --> 00:12:11,227 Speaker 3: that not everything goes really good for everybody, and it's 244 00:12:11,227 --> 00:12:12,987 Speaker 3: just one of them things that you've got to do. Everybody, 245 00:12:13,467 --> 00:12:15,267 Speaker 3: everybody that you know, and I know I've most really 246 00:12:15,347 --> 00:12:18,747 Speaker 3: lost somebody. They've had a heartbreak, they've had financial ways, 247 00:12:18,787 --> 00:12:21,747 Speaker 3: they've had lack of sleep, whatever. You know, there's there's 248 00:12:21,787 --> 00:12:24,507 Speaker 3: lots of problems out there, and we just deal with 249 00:12:24,507 --> 00:12:25,987 Speaker 3: them by getting up in the morning and doing your 250 00:12:26,027 --> 00:12:32,187 Speaker 3: best you can. And I'm a believer in the Good Lord, 251 00:12:32,227 --> 00:12:33,867 Speaker 3: and I pray in the morning, in the evening, and 252 00:12:33,867 --> 00:12:37,827 Speaker 3: I pray for Matthew and my family and any every 253 00:12:37,907 --> 00:12:41,227 Speaker 3: chance I can get, so, you know, and I just compartmentalize. 254 00:12:41,267 --> 00:12:42,787 Speaker 3: I just put it there and I get to it 255 00:12:42,827 --> 00:12:44,707 Speaker 3: when I go to bed that that evening and I 256 00:12:44,707 --> 00:12:45,227 Speaker 3: think about it. 257 00:12:45,227 --> 00:12:50,387 Speaker 2: Then well, it adds an extraordinary layer to a to 258 00:12:50,467 --> 00:12:55,307 Speaker 2: a terrific documentary. Just before you go, Sharko. You tease 259 00:12:55,387 --> 00:12:57,747 Speaker 2: us all the way through, you know, you ask all 260 00:12:57,787 --> 00:13:00,347 Speaker 2: your guests, you know why is he called Sharko? A 261 00:13:00,347 --> 00:13:02,147 Speaker 2: couple of them ever have a guess at it, but 262 00:13:02,187 --> 00:13:04,027 Speaker 2: nobody seems to really know. And even at the end, 263 00:13:04,067 --> 00:13:06,267 Speaker 2: unless I've missed it, you don't tell us. So how 264 00:13:06,387 --> 00:13:07,187 Speaker 2: did you get the nickname? 265 00:13:07,987 --> 00:13:10,747 Speaker 4: Well, it's it was it was, it was very interesting. 266 00:13:10,827 --> 00:13:13,147 Speaker 4: How he got that in here it was I think 267 00:13:13,187 --> 00:13:15,627 Speaker 4: he got it through a friend of his, and that 268 00:13:15,707 --> 00:13:19,307 Speaker 4: friend was nice enough to actually tell me very recently 269 00:13:19,347 --> 00:13:21,867 Speaker 4: about it, and while I was making the documentary, because 270 00:13:21,867 --> 00:13:23,307 Speaker 4: obviously that was one of his he had, He's had 271 00:13:23,307 --> 00:13:24,867 Speaker 4: a few nick names. A few of them we can't 272 00:13:24,867 --> 00:13:28,787 Speaker 4: say on radio, obviously, but yeah, this this gentleman told 273 00:13:28,787 --> 00:13:30,747 Speaker 4: me about it, told me the nickname, and I thought 274 00:13:30,787 --> 00:13:33,307 Speaker 4: that was that was very good. But sadly, Jason, I'm 275 00:13:33,307 --> 00:13:33,867 Speaker 4: not going to tell you. 276 00:13:34,427 --> 00:13:36,467 Speaker 2: I knew you were coming to that, Luke. I knew 277 00:13:36,547 --> 00:13:38,907 Speaker 2: as she was as she were affering that scene, since 278 00:13:38,947 --> 00:13:40,747 Speaker 2: I thought there's a butt, there's a butt coming up 279 00:13:40,787 --> 00:13:43,427 Speaker 2: at the end of this. But I can't tell you. 280 00:13:43,547 --> 00:13:45,587 Speaker 2: I can't tell you what it adds. I just love 281 00:13:45,627 --> 00:13:47,467 Speaker 2: it how it ends without the thought I'm finally going 282 00:13:47,547 --> 00:13:49,547 Speaker 2: to find out why he's called Jarko. I don't never did, 283 00:13:50,027 --> 00:13:55,067 Speaker 2: I never did. Again. Guys are terrific. I I really 284 00:13:55,187 --> 00:13:56,947 Speaker 2: enjoyed watching it. I thought it was a terrific piece 285 00:13:56,947 --> 00:14:00,307 Speaker 2: of filmmaking. Luke. By you Mark, you're even though you 286 00:14:00,587 --> 00:14:03,227 Speaker 2: sound as though you were an unwilling subject. I think 287 00:14:03,227 --> 00:14:06,427 Speaker 2: it's a terrific portrayal of your life both on and 288 00:14:06,467 --> 00:14:08,227 Speaker 2: off the rugby league field. Thanks for popping in for 289 00:14:08,227 --> 00:14:10,827 Speaker 2: a chat. I'm sure a lot of people will take 290 00:14:10,867 --> 00:14:11,667 Speaker 2: a lot from Sharko. 291 00:14:12,187 --> 00:14:13,227 Speaker 3: Thank you, Jason, Thank you. 292 00:14:13,507 --> 00:14:17,547 Speaker 2: Thanks guys. That's Luke Graham and Mark Graham. Sharko is 293 00:14:17,587 --> 00:14:21,187 Speaker 2: the name of the documentary. It premiere is in the 294 00:14:21,267 --> 00:14:24,787 Speaker 2: weak Ahead. In fact, I think the first premiere is 295 00:14:24,827 --> 00:14:28,067 Speaker 2: actually tonight, guys, Yes it is. It's tonight and Lynn 296 00:14:28,147 --> 00:14:33,227 Speaker 2: Moore the first premiere Sharko. It's called I'm sure if 297 00:14:33,267 --> 00:14:35,667 Speaker 2: you googled it you'll find all the screening details. I've 298 00:14:35,667 --> 00:14:37,627 Speaker 2: had the chance to have a look at an advanced 299 00:14:37,867 --> 00:14:40,107 Speaker 2: screening of it ahead of having a chat to the guys, 300 00:14:40,107 --> 00:14:42,867 Speaker 2: and yeah, it's well worth a look, not just for 301 00:14:42,947 --> 00:14:45,507 Speaker 2: rugby league fans who will take plenty from it, but 302 00:14:46,507 --> 00:14:50,427 Speaker 2: for sports fans and those who enjoy good filmmaking, which 303 00:14:50,467 --> 00:14:51,707 Speaker 2: this certainly is. 304 00:14:52,547 --> 00:14:55,707 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live 305 00:14:55,827 --> 00:14:59,107 Speaker 1: to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow 306 00:14:59,147 --> 00:15:00,707 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.