1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:14,107 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zed b Well left hand side Bote and 3 00:00:14,227 --> 00:00:17,867 Speaker 1: Barrett Jordan. At this time Well Jordan made the break. 4 00:00:18,147 --> 00:00:22,027 Speaker 2: Now complete the try scoring action fifteen points to. 5 00:00:22,027 --> 00:00:24,827 Speaker 3: Six here second of four tries for the All Blacks 6 00:00:24,827 --> 00:00:27,427 Speaker 3: this morning, Will Jordan or second of three tries? I'm 7 00:00:27,427 --> 00:00:29,467 Speaker 3: just trying to remember three or four? It probably doesn't 8 00:00:29,467 --> 00:00:31,987 Speaker 3: matter too much. Let's bring in senior rugby writer with 9 00:00:32,067 --> 00:00:34,507 Speaker 3: the New Zealand Herald, co host of the Rugby Direct 10 00:00:34,547 --> 00:00:37,867 Speaker 3: podcast and one of the sharpest rugby minds I know, 11 00:00:38,107 --> 00:00:41,067 Speaker 3: Liam Napier. Liam, you're right in the Herald and I'm 12 00:00:41,067 --> 00:00:44,107 Speaker 3: going to quote this a flop of a season finale. 13 00:00:44,307 --> 00:00:47,307 Speaker 3: The All Blacks saved one of their worst performances of 14 00:00:47,347 --> 00:00:50,227 Speaker 3: the year, rivaled only by their loss to the Pumas 15 00:00:50,267 --> 00:00:54,067 Speaker 3: and Wellington for last. Not a lot of gray area there, mate, 16 00:00:54,067 --> 00:00:57,307 Speaker 3: You weren't that impressed after Nur declining no. 17 00:00:57,387 --> 00:00:59,787 Speaker 2: Look, it was a pretty tough watch to end the year, 18 00:01:00,147 --> 00:01:02,867 Speaker 2: wasn't it? And I guess the expectation for the All 19 00:01:02,867 --> 00:01:06,027 Speaker 2: Blacks was that they would deliver some form of definitive 20 00:01:06,067 --> 00:01:09,867 Speaker 2: state months to bookends their Northern tour and finish the year. 21 00:01:10,267 --> 00:01:14,947 Speaker 2: Just given the selection complexion, this was Scott Robertson's strongest 22 00:01:14,987 --> 00:01:20,547 Speaker 2: available team. He chose not to promote fringe prospects, you know, rookies, 23 00:01:20,747 --> 00:01:22,467 Speaker 2: guys that we haven't seen a lot of this year. 24 00:01:22,987 --> 00:01:27,307 Speaker 2: And still the All Blacks couldn't or they did put 25 00:01:27,307 --> 00:01:29,507 Speaker 2: away at Lee, but they struggled and there was a 26 00:01:29,587 --> 00:01:33,067 Speaker 2: really tough watch in patches. They finished the year with 27 00:01:33,467 --> 00:01:37,067 Speaker 2: a victory, but there's still a lot of lingering questions. 28 00:01:37,307 --> 00:01:40,067 Speaker 3: I think what was the problem this morning. 29 00:01:41,667 --> 00:01:43,187 Speaker 2: Well, look, I think you have to give credit to 30 00:01:43,187 --> 00:01:47,427 Speaker 2: the Italians. They brought a lot of physicality. They succeeded 31 00:01:47,507 --> 00:01:50,067 Speaker 2: in dragging the All Blacks into a dog fight. They 32 00:01:50,067 --> 00:01:52,787 Speaker 2: had a lot of success at the breakdown, just making 33 00:01:52,827 --> 00:01:55,987 Speaker 2: things scrappy. Their line speed caused the All Blacks a 34 00:01:55,987 --> 00:01:59,827 Speaker 2: lot of issues and I think just frustrations for the 35 00:01:59,867 --> 00:02:03,547 Speaker 2: All Blacks, whether it was not converting line breaks, lacking 36 00:02:03,627 --> 00:02:07,387 Speaker 2: patients on attack, pushing passes. They lost three line out 37 00:02:07,427 --> 00:02:11,147 Speaker 2: throws and so they had to revert to their dominant 38 00:02:11,187 --> 00:02:15,307 Speaker 2: scrum and they're more to really squeeze out that victory 39 00:02:15,427 --> 00:02:18,227 Speaker 2: and they got a couple of lake tries mark Talia, 40 00:02:18,347 --> 00:02:20,307 Speaker 2: but that was their first points in the second half 41 00:02:20,307 --> 00:02:23,187 Speaker 2: of the seventieth minute, so the margin probably flattered them 42 00:02:23,187 --> 00:02:23,947 Speaker 2: in the end as well. 43 00:02:24,947 --> 00:02:28,227 Speaker 3: So when they get together again in the new year 44 00:02:28,347 --> 00:02:30,467 Speaker 3: or late this year, the All Blacks coaching staff and 45 00:02:30,507 --> 00:02:34,107 Speaker 3: they review and then they start planning, what are the 46 00:02:34,187 --> 00:02:37,507 Speaker 3: big you know, the big meaty issues that are going 47 00:02:37,547 --> 00:02:39,427 Speaker 3: to take up most of their thinking as they plan 48 00:02:39,547 --> 00:02:40,547 Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five. 49 00:02:42,107 --> 00:02:47,147 Speaker 2: Well, I think Scot Rodinson's an eternal optimist, so he'll 50 00:02:47,187 --> 00:02:49,947 Speaker 2: take a glass half full approach to this year. It's 51 00:02:49,947 --> 00:02:54,387 Speaker 2: a ten and four season, a seventy one percent win ratio, 52 00:02:55,027 --> 00:02:58,267 Speaker 2: and you'd have to break the season down. They started 53 00:02:58,267 --> 00:03:02,387 Speaker 2: scratchy against England's fifty percent in the Rugby Championship, and 54 00:03:02,427 --> 00:03:06,107 Speaker 2: then some real definitive improvements and if you step back 55 00:03:06,387 --> 00:03:09,387 Speaker 2: and think about this Northern tour, they're back to one 56 00:03:09,387 --> 00:03:13,787 Speaker 2: point away from an unbeaten five match sweep of the 57 00:03:13,827 --> 00:03:18,787 Speaker 2: North that includes Japan and England's islands, France which they blew, 58 00:03:19,267 --> 00:03:21,507 Speaker 2: and then this match against Italy. So a very good 59 00:03:21,547 --> 00:03:25,747 Speaker 2: return results wise on the India tour. But for me 60 00:03:25,907 --> 00:03:27,507 Speaker 2: Pine I would have liked to have seen a bit 61 00:03:27,547 --> 00:03:30,587 Speaker 2: more progression, particularly in this last match. We haven't seen 62 00:03:30,627 --> 00:03:35,507 Speaker 2: a number of guys in recent weeks and the performances 63 00:03:35,707 --> 00:03:38,107 Speaker 2: have been a bit hot cold. I think the ruck, 64 00:03:38,907 --> 00:03:42,387 Speaker 2: the presentation, the cleanouts really needs a lot of attention. 65 00:03:43,667 --> 00:03:48,347 Speaker 2: And there has been improvements for the attack. Bill Blacks 66 00:03:48,347 --> 00:03:52,387 Speaker 2: have really in that Test against Ireland in particularly used 67 00:03:52,427 --> 00:03:55,347 Speaker 2: the ball well so made some ground and there have 68 00:03:55,467 --> 00:03:58,067 Speaker 2: been you know, some standout performances Wallace for Tt and 69 00:03:58,107 --> 00:04:02,067 Speaker 2: the like, the emerging talent progression improvement in some areas. 70 00:04:02,427 --> 00:04:05,387 Speaker 2: But just given that last performance, it is really hard 71 00:04:05,427 --> 00:04:08,467 Speaker 2: to set back in the seat and say it's been 72 00:04:09,147 --> 00:04:10,187 Speaker 2: a successful year. 73 00:04:11,547 --> 00:04:13,987 Speaker 3: Who do you think has the inside running for the 74 00:04:14,067 --> 00:04:17,387 Speaker 3: seven jersey next year? And actually a wider question is 75 00:04:17,427 --> 00:04:19,427 Speaker 3: what does our best loose forward trio for this World 76 00:04:19,427 --> 00:04:20,027 Speaker 3: Cup cycle? 77 00:04:21,387 --> 00:04:25,787 Speaker 2: Yes, incredibly hard, isn't it. Pineye I personally would shift 78 00:04:25,947 --> 00:04:29,547 Speaker 2: Ardie severe to open sider thought he was excellent there 79 00:04:29,907 --> 00:04:33,787 Speaker 2: against France. It allowed him to get into the wide 80 00:04:33,867 --> 00:04:36,827 Speaker 2: channels to play his natural game. He's still very good 81 00:04:36,867 --> 00:04:39,227 Speaker 2: at picking his moments at the breakdown Wallace to Titi 82 00:04:39,747 --> 00:04:43,427 Speaker 2: his favored position at number eight, and then you're looking 83 00:04:43,507 --> 00:04:47,227 Speaker 2: for I think a big blindside flanker. Now, whether that's 84 00:04:47,267 --> 00:04:50,187 Speaker 2: some Penny female, the jury's still out there. We haven't 85 00:04:50,187 --> 00:04:54,907 Speaker 2: seen quite enough of him. Even Adulton Papa ll could 86 00:04:55,227 --> 00:04:56,107 Speaker 2: perform that role. 87 00:04:56,787 --> 00:04:58,987 Speaker 4: Peter Luckeye was superb. 88 00:04:59,027 --> 00:05:02,467 Speaker 2: Wasn't he off the bench for seventy eight minutes in Paris? 89 00:05:02,787 --> 00:05:04,987 Speaker 2: I think he's a twenty one year old prospect. He 90 00:05:05,147 --> 00:05:08,667 Speaker 2: is the future of the Blacks loose Ford trio. It's 91 00:05:08,747 --> 00:05:12,187 Speaker 2: just whether that is the balance, the composition that they're 92 00:05:12,227 --> 00:05:15,267 Speaker 2: looking for. And then you've got guys like Ethan Blackheader 93 00:05:15,267 --> 00:05:19,147 Speaker 2: and Luke Jacobson in the wings. Personally, I don't think 94 00:05:19,227 --> 00:05:22,147 Speaker 2: you can have Dalton, Papa Lee, Ethan black Header and 95 00:05:22,227 --> 00:05:25,187 Speaker 2: Luke Jacobson in the same squad. They're very similar players, 96 00:05:25,627 --> 00:05:28,547 Speaker 2: and with the up ten po ball movement that the 97 00:05:28,587 --> 00:05:30,747 Speaker 2: All Blacks are looking to play, I think the style 98 00:05:30,787 --> 00:05:33,947 Speaker 2: of rugby probably suits a guy like Dalton more so 99 00:05:34,547 --> 00:05:37,787 Speaker 2: than a Luke Jacobson or Ethan Blackheader. So it's going 100 00:05:37,827 --> 00:05:40,307 Speaker 2: to be very interesting to see. You can't fit all 101 00:05:40,347 --> 00:05:43,427 Speaker 2: those guys in the squads and you ideally do sit 102 00:05:43,947 --> 00:05:46,987 Speaker 2: on a trio and give them time to gel and 103 00:05:48,027 --> 00:05:49,427 Speaker 2: progress in the coming years. 104 00:05:49,907 --> 00:05:52,947 Speaker 3: Do you think they will stick with Artie at eight, 105 00:05:53,467 --> 00:05:55,467 Speaker 3: not what you would do. Do you think they will 106 00:05:55,467 --> 00:05:57,187 Speaker 3: stick with Artie Savier at number eight? 107 00:05:58,907 --> 00:06:00,467 Speaker 4: I think they will go to Wallace at eight. 108 00:06:00,587 --> 00:06:04,187 Speaker 2: I think Scott Robinson has mentioned the fact that that's 109 00:06:04,227 --> 00:06:07,347 Speaker 2: his natural home and that's where we saw him play 110 00:06:07,387 --> 00:06:10,627 Speaker 2: his best rugby for the Chiefs in his rookie Super 111 00:06:10,707 --> 00:06:15,707 Speaker 2: Rugby season. I think for the balance of that trio, 112 00:06:16,107 --> 00:06:18,107 Speaker 2: I think Artie does need to go to seven and 113 00:06:19,107 --> 00:06:19,747 Speaker 2: Wallace at eight. 114 00:06:20,267 --> 00:06:22,867 Speaker 4: But Peter Luckey has a bit of a wildcard because. 115 00:06:22,787 --> 00:06:25,827 Speaker 2: He can play eight, he can play seven. He's probably 116 00:06:25,827 --> 00:06:28,907 Speaker 2: the ivy will bench guy for you at the stage 117 00:06:28,947 --> 00:06:31,387 Speaker 2: as he comes to grips with test rugby. But I 118 00:06:31,467 --> 00:06:35,067 Speaker 2: do expect now that sam Kain is moving on, and 119 00:06:35,907 --> 00:06:40,187 Speaker 2: I think sam Kain's presence complicated that mix. We probably 120 00:06:40,187 --> 00:06:43,067 Speaker 2: would have seen a lot more of Wallace at eight 121 00:06:43,227 --> 00:06:46,187 Speaker 2: had Scott Robinson not gone back to Sam Kain this year. 122 00:06:46,187 --> 00:06:49,307 Speaker 2: But now he's moving on to through Japan, I do 123 00:06:49,427 --> 00:06:52,547 Speaker 2: expect to see Wallace make that number eight Jersey his 124 00:06:52,627 --> 00:06:53,307 Speaker 2: home next year. 125 00:06:54,227 --> 00:06:56,387 Speaker 3: Two more yellow cards for New Zealand this morning. That's 126 00:06:56,427 --> 00:06:58,667 Speaker 3: eleven this year. Is that a concern? 127 00:07:00,067 --> 00:07:05,467 Speaker 2: It's massively problematics. Puny didn't cost them hugely in this test. 128 00:07:05,787 --> 00:07:08,787 Speaker 2: Scott Barrow when he went off the All Blacks didn't 129 00:07:08,827 --> 00:07:14,067 Speaker 2: concede any points. Antolina Brown didn't affect them too much either, 130 00:07:14,507 --> 00:07:17,987 Speaker 2: But and big tests. It has proven costly this year 131 00:07:18,027 --> 00:07:21,747 Speaker 2: against the spring Boks, in particular in South Africa when 132 00:07:21,747 --> 00:07:24,747 Speaker 2: they were dealing with trying to get the composition of 133 00:07:24,787 --> 00:07:28,147 Speaker 2: the bench right. I think discipline in general is still 134 00:07:28,187 --> 00:07:30,067 Speaker 2: an issue with this All Black team when things don't 135 00:07:30,067 --> 00:07:33,547 Speaker 2: go their way, when they struggle to generate that quick ball, 136 00:07:33,667 --> 00:07:36,547 Speaker 2: when they're not winning the collisions, when they're on the 137 00:07:36,547 --> 00:07:38,947 Speaker 2: back foot of it, and when frustrations creep in or 138 00:07:39,187 --> 00:07:41,587 Speaker 2: when they have to defend their own line for long periods, 139 00:07:41,947 --> 00:07:45,347 Speaker 2: that's when they get in trouble. And eleven is too 140 00:07:45,387 --> 00:07:48,227 Speaker 2: many and it is going to cost you big type tests. 141 00:07:49,267 --> 00:07:51,587 Speaker 3: A couple of departing All Blacks after over a year 142 00:07:51,947 --> 00:07:54,387 Speaker 3: a decade of service on the Black Jersey, Sam Kine, 143 00:07:54,427 --> 00:07:58,667 Speaker 3: TJ Pet Andada they played their final tests today. What 144 00:07:58,707 --> 00:08:00,547 Speaker 3: will their respective legacies be for you? 145 00:08:02,227 --> 00:08:05,147 Speaker 2: I think both have left a real imprint on the 146 00:08:05,147 --> 00:08:06,907 Speaker 2: New Zealand game, not just with the All Blacks, but 147 00:08:07,027 --> 00:08:13,067 Speaker 2: their respective super rugby teams and provinces. When I think 148 00:08:13,067 --> 00:08:16,227 Speaker 2: of both those guys, I think about the adversity that 149 00:08:16,267 --> 00:08:20,347 Speaker 2: they've overcome, whether that be Sam Cain and his broken neck, 150 00:08:20,547 --> 00:08:24,307 Speaker 2: or you know the difficult times he endured as All 151 00:08:24,307 --> 00:08:26,907 Speaker 2: Black captain and then to come back this year. Or 152 00:08:26,947 --> 00:08:29,387 Speaker 2: t J Pettina had the best part of two years 153 00:08:29,427 --> 00:08:32,547 Speaker 2: out of the game with his Kelly's injury and you 154 00:08:32,587 --> 00:08:36,587 Speaker 2: know consider retirements, thought it was over and then had 155 00:08:36,587 --> 00:08:39,947 Speaker 2: his time again. So the resilience those guys have shown, 156 00:08:40,547 --> 00:08:42,827 Speaker 2: I think also just the way they carry themselves. TJ 157 00:08:42,947 --> 00:08:46,867 Speaker 2: has also been a guy who's spoken for what he 158 00:08:46,947 --> 00:08:50,507 Speaker 2: believes in. I really respect that about him and Sam Caine. 159 00:08:51,347 --> 00:08:55,067 Speaker 2: He endured some of the most difficult times in the 160 00:08:55,107 --> 00:09:00,067 Speaker 2: All Blacks, but he was always genuine. I feel like 161 00:09:00,107 --> 00:09:03,227 Speaker 2: he always speaks from the heart as well. So a 162 00:09:03,347 --> 00:09:06,947 Speaker 2: tribute to those to those guys who now cashion at 163 00:09:06,947 --> 00:09:08,987 Speaker 2: the back end of their careers. But I guess it's 164 00:09:09,067 --> 00:09:11,387 Speaker 2: nice that they also get to finish on their own terms. 165 00:09:11,747 --> 00:09:14,467 Speaker 3: Indeed, or I've put together a list of five players 166 00:09:14,467 --> 00:09:16,627 Speaker 3: who I think are candidates for All Blacks Player of 167 00:09:16,667 --> 00:09:19,707 Speaker 3: the Year. So my list in alphabetical order, by surname 168 00:09:19,867 --> 00:09:24,467 Speaker 3: is Caleb Clark, Tyrel Lomax, Wallace, a Titi, Cody Taylor 169 00:09:24,587 --> 00:09:27,467 Speaker 3: and Tupaul Vai. Have I missed anybody there? And who 170 00:09:27,507 --> 00:09:29,107 Speaker 3: would you give it to if it's one of them 171 00:09:29,187 --> 00:09:29,867 Speaker 3: or somebody else? 172 00:09:31,467 --> 00:09:33,267 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you've done well there. Pony had to 173 00:09:33,747 --> 00:09:37,947 Speaker 2: argue with that, look I on the whole complexion of 174 00:09:37,947 --> 00:09:41,147 Speaker 2: the season, I would probably say too, Pouvai. I think 175 00:09:41,827 --> 00:09:45,347 Speaker 2: Locke was such an area where, in the wake of 176 00:09:45,587 --> 00:09:50,307 Speaker 2: Brody Rettelic and Sam white Locks respective absences this year, 177 00:09:50,387 --> 00:09:52,987 Speaker 2: that there were major concerns for the All Blacks. Where 178 00:09:53,067 --> 00:09:56,707 Speaker 2: was the next who was going to stand up? How 179 00:09:56,707 --> 00:09:59,187 Speaker 2: are the All Blacks going to cover those absences? And 180 00:09:59,227 --> 00:10:01,627 Speaker 2: when you look at the way that Tupu has come 181 00:10:01,667 --> 00:10:05,707 Speaker 2: in and owned the line outs performed in big tests, 182 00:10:06,467 --> 00:10:10,667 Speaker 2: I think he has supremely exceeded all expectations. And those 183 00:10:10,707 --> 00:10:13,747 Speaker 2: other guys you mentioned have played well as well. Well, 184 00:10:13,747 --> 00:10:16,427 Speaker 2: it's the t t you know, the absolute breakout star 185 00:10:16,507 --> 00:10:19,267 Speaker 2: of the EF. He doesn't win World Rugby breakthrough player, 186 00:10:19,307 --> 00:10:26,307 Speaker 2: then there needs a formal investigation. Yeah, but the the 187 00:10:26,427 --> 00:10:29,307 Speaker 2: other guys in particularly, you can't tell World Rugby what 188 00:10:29,347 --> 00:10:32,787 Speaker 2: to do finally you know this, but maybe you know 189 00:10:32,947 --> 00:10:34,027 Speaker 2: check the envelopes or. 190 00:10:34,227 --> 00:10:36,947 Speaker 4: Will put you on the job. 191 00:10:39,747 --> 00:10:41,987 Speaker 3: But I just I did also, just as I read 192 00:10:42,027 --> 00:10:45,347 Speaker 3: those names out, only one back and an outside back. 193 00:10:45,867 --> 00:10:47,907 Speaker 3: I don't know if that sees anything or doesn't say anything, 194 00:10:47,907 --> 00:10:49,667 Speaker 3: but Caleb Clark's the only guy I can really think 195 00:10:49,667 --> 00:10:52,587 Speaker 3: of who've had an outstanding season and a jersey higher 196 00:10:52,627 --> 00:10:52,947 Speaker 3: than eight. 197 00:10:54,107 --> 00:10:57,507 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, and I think Will Jordan's been good, 198 00:10:57,547 --> 00:11:00,707 Speaker 2: hasn't he since he's gone back to fall back? But yes, 199 00:11:01,387 --> 00:11:06,347 Speaker 2: in terms of consistent performances, Kem Rouygert's had a good 200 00:11:06,827 --> 00:11:09,227 Speaker 2: last couple of tests when he came into the starting role. 201 00:11:09,667 --> 00:11:13,587 Speaker 2: But in terms of backs really stamping the authority, they 202 00:11:13,587 --> 00:11:16,547 Speaker 2: are quite few and far between. Maybe that says a 203 00:11:16,587 --> 00:11:21,907 Speaker 2: bit about the complexion of the All Blacks attack, the 204 00:11:21,947 --> 00:11:25,227 Speaker 2: way they're playing, and I guess the fact there's also 205 00:11:25,267 --> 00:11:26,987 Speaker 2: been a fair bit of chopping and changing when you 206 00:11:26,987 --> 00:11:29,347 Speaker 2: look at Bowden Baron and Damien McKenzie that are still 207 00:11:29,747 --> 00:11:32,067 Speaker 2: I think trying to find their way at first five 208 00:11:32,387 --> 00:11:35,387 Speaker 2: to a degree, And Caleb Clark was a guy who 209 00:11:35,507 --> 00:11:38,867 Speaker 2: also came into the season late in that left wing role. 210 00:11:38,947 --> 00:11:42,107 Speaker 2: Mark Tale is another one who's performed well when he's 211 00:11:42,107 --> 00:11:45,907 Speaker 2: been giving started opportunities. But Bill Blacks have only really 212 00:11:45,947 --> 00:11:49,467 Speaker 2: found their first choice back line at the back end 213 00:11:49,507 --> 00:11:51,667 Speaker 2: of the year, and so there has been a fair 214 00:11:51,707 --> 00:11:53,227 Speaker 2: bit of tweaking that's gone on there. 215 00:11:54,107 --> 00:11:57,027 Speaker 3: Okay, to finish, we're put in together Razors report card 216 00:11:57,067 --> 00:11:59,427 Speaker 3: this afternoon. You can give them a mark out of ten, 217 00:11:59,627 --> 00:12:02,867 Speaker 3: or you can use the old ABC B minors C 218 00:12:02,947 --> 00:12:05,267 Speaker 3: plus kind of arrangement if you like, how do you 219 00:12:05,387 --> 00:12:08,707 Speaker 3: rate what are you putting on Razors report card for 220 00:12:08,747 --> 00:12:10,627 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four in terms of a mark. 221 00:12:12,347 --> 00:12:16,707 Speaker 2: Traditionally quite a tough marker, poney, but you know, sees 222 00:12:16,787 --> 00:12:22,427 Speaker 2: also get degrees. But i'll go, I'll go, I'll go 223 00:12:22,467 --> 00:12:24,387 Speaker 2: a C plus or six out of tense. I think 224 00:12:24,387 --> 00:12:27,867 Speaker 2: this is a past mark for the year. But I 225 00:12:27,907 --> 00:12:32,987 Speaker 2: think everyone probably did expect a bit more evolution revolution 226 00:12:33,147 --> 00:12:36,147 Speaker 2: to a degree with Razor. I think he's been very 227 00:12:36,187 --> 00:12:39,427 Speaker 2: conservative when it's come to selection, be all black to one. 228 00:12:39,467 --> 00:12:42,667 Speaker 2: Some type tests. They also lost some type tests, so 229 00:12:43,307 --> 00:12:48,587 Speaker 2: I think there's improvement needed, but it is a tentative 230 00:12:48,627 --> 00:12:49,227 Speaker 2: step forward. 231 00:12:49,387 --> 00:12:53,267 Speaker 3: Shall we say, good stuff, love love chatting Raby with 232 00:12:53,307 --> 00:12:54,787 Speaker 3: you mate. We'll get some calls on the air to 233 00:12:54,787 --> 00:12:56,947 Speaker 3: see if they agree or disagree, but I'm always good 234 00:12:56,947 --> 00:12:59,347 Speaker 3: to chat Liam. Thanks for taking the time this afternoon. 235 00:12:59,987 --> 00:13:01,867 Speaker 4: Cheers Finny anytime, Mate good Man. 236 00:13:01,907 --> 00:13:03,907 Speaker 3: That's Liam Apeia from the New Zealand Heroil. 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