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Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matton Tyler

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Speaker 2: Afternoon Podcast for Wednesday, the eighteenth of December in the

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Speaker 2: Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty four. Fantastic show today,

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Speaker 2: a lot of talk about walk Shorts. Actually, everything we

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Speaker 2: say at the start of the show that we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about we didn't get around to talking to,

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Speaker 2: did we really?

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Speaker 3: No? No, I mean we went crazy on Easter trading laws.

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Speaker 3: Man a chat about Easter trading laws.

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Speaker 2: Shocking call from Bob. So wait for that call from Bob. Bob, Wow,

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Speaker 2: went nuclear out the gate. There's a lot of people

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Speaker 2: that don't love Christmas and want to cancel it, and

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Speaker 2: Bob wants to cancel end Zac Day. So anyway, a

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Speaker 2: great call from Bob. Then we went deep into walk

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Speaker 2: Shorts and we have a fantastic interview with Jude Dobson

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Speaker 2: about her book The Last Secret Agent, The Untold Story

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Speaker 2: of My life as a spy behind Nazi enemy Lions.

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Speaker 2: That was the book she wrote with Papa Latour, who

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Speaker 2: was She lived in Henderson Valley she died at one

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Speaker 2: hundred and two recently, but incredible story from her time

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Speaker 2: as a spy in France, spying on the nazis incredible stories.

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Speaker 2: So she joins us for a great chat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great New Zealander.

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Speaker 2: Yeah she is all right, give them a taste of

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Speaker 2: Kiwi and make sure you sit to download and subscribe

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Speaker 2: and such.

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Speaker 4: Bless talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Zibby, Good afternoon, Welcome into the show. Sieven past one.

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Speaker 3: I hope you're having a great day yet a Maddie, I.

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Speaker 2: Understand you've been doing some trimming Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know those just small moments of joy sometimes

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Speaker 3: you find in life. And I found a lot of

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Speaker 3: moments of joy this week when I went down to

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Speaker 3: a m man. I've been having some fun with it.

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Speaker 3: It is just there's something about a battery power to

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Speaker 3: all for not just men, for ladies out there as well.

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Speaker 3: I was just so excited when I got at home

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Speaker 3: and got it out of the I was like a

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Speaker 3: had to wait a grueling two hours for it to

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Speaker 2: And then have you have you you know how to

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Speaker 2: does it well for a while, and then you left

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Speaker 2: to a place. Yeah yeah, but it's not like a

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Speaker 2: perpetual cord machine. No.

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Speaker 3: But the guy down at might a ten, he he

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Speaker 3: gave me all the tools for it, got my wee

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Speaker 3: safety glasses as well. So you know, being safe out there, mate.

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Speaker 2: When you want pure joy in life, the ultimate joy

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Speaker 2: as a leaf blower, a leaf blow.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that day. I've seen the neighbor

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Speaker 2: Even the leaf blower. Cigarettes going up your sleeves. It's

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Speaker 2: a good time. Yeah, no, like a good power tool. Well,

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Speaker 2: good on you for finding those little bits of joy,

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Speaker 3: onto the show after three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Year After three o'clock we joined by Jude Dobson for

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Speaker 2: our Great New Zealanders of Christmas series. We're going to

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's the book's been a huge success, has

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, so looking forward to that chat and we will

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Speaker 3: the end of the show after two o'clock. A Batch

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Speaker 2: Good draw up to the bitch mo the Goddom lawns.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be a good chat up at two o'clock.

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Speaker 3: But right now, let's have a chat about Easter trading laws.

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Speaker 2: So there and also Tyler, Yeah, speaking of giving away

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Speaker 2: me away a copy of my book Are Lifeless, Punishing

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, we are two copies to give away. And I've

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's just sorry to insert that in there.

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Speaker 3: Easter trading laws.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is this is being voted on right now.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well we will find out more information very shortly

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Speaker 3: So this is the repeal of Good Friday and Easter

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Speaker 3: So one of the act ministers, Cameron Luxton, he pulled

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Speaker 2: What do you think of it?

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Speaker 3: I hope that the bill passes. I think we should

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Speaker 2: Sunday, Easter Sunday rather. And I'll tell you why. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I got caught out with this Good Friday and Easter Sunday.

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Speaker 3: why not open it up. Why not let people trade

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Speaker 2: Okay, And look, I think most people who agree with

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Speaker 2: You can spend Easter. Look, I'll describe my opinion on this, okay,

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Speaker 2: And it's a bit nuanced because I can see your

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Speaker 2: think that's disgusting. I think that we shouldn't punish the

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Speaker 2: He wrote the book four Thousand Weeks Time Management for Mortals,

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Speaker 2: and he's a fantastic philosopher out of the UK, and

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Speaker 2: he talks about a study that was done in Sweden

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Speaker 2: and it was from a health researcher at Uppsala University

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Speaker 2: found that when Swedes take time off, anti depressant prescriptions

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Speaker 2: rate at which prescriptions decreased. So the reason why this is,

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Speaker 2: they believe is it's easier to nurture relationships with family

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Speaker 2: and friends when they're on leave. Two. Meanwhile, if the

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Speaker 2: and colleagues scheming to take your jobs. So if everyone's off,

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Speaker 2: then it's easier to organize something to happen, like say

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Speaker 7: Before my point, I was going to say, it's refreshing

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Speaker 2: And thank you so much, Peter, and I hope you

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Speaker 8: You can speak, you speak everything.

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Speaker 2: That special where you can put you can put radio

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Speaker 9: Has moved on.

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Speaker 7: And I'm you know, I enjoy I personally enjoy having

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, And I can see your point, because really

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Speaker 7: That's who everyone, excepts those who call centers centers.

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Speaker 3: Cheers, Peter, thank you very much. Nine nine two is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it recovers beyond that.

436
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Speaker 1: But after several years bouncing along the bottom and recessionary conditions,

437
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Speaker 1: that period of sustained growth will feel a lot better.

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Speaker 10: I take your point, but we are still going backwards

439
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Speaker 10: book capita next year, aren't we.

440
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Speaker 3: I mean so I'm literally going to be getting poorer.

441
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Speaker 4: Look, there's no sugarcoating it.

442
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Speaker 3: What the Treasury presented was a tough set of books

443
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Speaker 3: that represent significant economic challenges for New Zealand.

444
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Speaker 5: Now the government is going to do the right things.

445
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Speaker 1: Hey, the duplic on the Mic Hosking Breakfast Fact tomorrow

446
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Speaker 1: at six am with Bailey's Real Estate on News Talks,

447
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Speaker 1: de'd be.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, well, we've just heard back from Jason Walls.

449
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Speaker 2: Repeal of Good Friday and Easter Sunday as restricted trading days,

450
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Speaker 2: shop trading and sale of Alcohol Amendment Bill, What's happened.

451
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Speaker 3: Voted down did not pass. That surprises me. Everyone thought

452
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Speaker 3: it was I thought.

453
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Speaker 2: A fate, a complete and that we were going to

454
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Speaker 2: lose these these last days of peace in this world

455
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Speaker 2: or a Peter did point out the call centers and

456
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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff still working, and there are police

457
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Speaker 2: and nurses and all those great New Zealanders are out there. Yeah,

458
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Speaker 2: but it didn't pass. That that'd be interesting to see

459
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Speaker 2: who went against it, because I would imagined it was

460
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Speaker 2: brought in by Act and I would imagine I would

461
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Speaker 2: have thought that that National would would have backed it.

462
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we are going to catch up very shortly

463
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Speaker 3: with Cameron Luxton, the act MP who drafted this bill.

464
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Speaker 3: It was pulled out of the tin, so we have

465
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Speaker 3: a chat to him about why it was voted down.

466
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Speaker 3: But we're going to carry this song because it's still

467
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Speaker 3: a good conversation.

468
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Speaker 2: But it's still going to be in the mix because

469
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Speaker 2: it hasn't gone through. But this is an interesting text.

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Speaker 2: Cancel Easter holiday. It's hypocritical to claim the two days

471
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Speaker 2: when someone doesn't acknowledge or worship in the Christian faith tradition,

472
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Speaker 2: Christians will have the two days off because of their

473
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Speaker 2: sincerity to their faith. But isn't it hypocritical to just

474
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Speaker 2: take the holiday if its meaning doesn't mean anything to you,

475
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Speaker 2: and your employers have to pay for it. Yeah, but

476
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Speaker 2: I mean all holidays. I mean, you don't have to.

477
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Speaker 2: It's not hypocritical to take a holiday. And who goes

478
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Speaker 2: back to the origins of all these holidays? I mean

479
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Speaker 2: the holidays for reasons? There is holidays were invented for

480
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Speaker 2: a reason. There's names on them. Easter, I mean before

481
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Speaker 2: Easter was a Christian holiday, it was a pagan holiday. Yeah,

482
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Speaker 2: it's just a good time to have a holiday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But then we got labor Labor weekend for example, when

485
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Speaker 3: you go back to the origins of labor weekend, I

486
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Speaker 3: take your point on that absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Is it hypocritical for you, Tyler, who does hardly any

488
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Speaker 2: work to take Labor day off?

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Speaker 3: I always take Labor day off. That's my day. We

490
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Speaker 3: fought half for it, but someone did eight. We got

491
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Speaker 3: Cameron Luxton to chat to very shortly. Headlines with Raylene coming.

492
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Speaker 4: Up us talks.

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Speaker 12: There'd be headlines with blue mother taxis. There's no trouble

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Speaker 12: with a blue bubble. Survivors of torture at Lake Alis

495
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Speaker 12: Psychiatric Hospital are being offered redress of a one off

496
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Speaker 12: payment of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars or an

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Speaker 12: independently assessed amount. Also they'll get a written apology and

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Speaker 12: support and rehabilitation. Seasonal workers in New Zealand are struggling

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Speaker 12: earthquake yesterday pancaked buildings and damage the land Red Crosses

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Speaker 12: reporting about fourteen people have died and at least two

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Speaker 12: hundred are injured. Port Vella's airport is still closed to

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Speaker 12: commercial planes but open to humanitarian assistance, with little damage

504
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Speaker 12: to the Bauerfield International Runway. The Land Information Ministers ruled

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Speaker 12: on bids to revert some New Zealand name are towns,

506
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Speaker 12: that is, to their original names. Lower Hartzpatoni and Auckland's

507
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Speaker 12: Attakannenni will stay unchanged, despite requests to undo historic inaccuracies

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Speaker 12: in spelling and pronunciation. National Park Village will again be

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Speaker 12: known as Way. Martynaw Credit cand Surcharges Watchdog says fee

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Speaker 12: cap will save shoppers millions. Read more at ends and

511
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Speaker 12: Herald Premium. Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. We are talking about the

513
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Speaker 3: repeal of Good Friday and Easter Sunday as restricted training

514
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Speaker 3: Day's bill. Now we heard from our political edits Jason Wolfs,

515
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Speaker 3: who's been in Parliament and the bill was voted down.

516
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Speaker 3: The bill sponsor was Act Party MP Cameron Luxton, and

517
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Speaker 3: he joins us. Now, Hi are you Cameron Kyle? How

518
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Speaker 3: are you very good? I've got Matt Heath here as well.

519
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Speaker 3: So I'm going to just say this, Cameron, it's to

520
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Speaker 3: me it's a bit of a surprise that was voted down.

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Speaker 3: I take it you were surprised as well.

522
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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 5: I mean it was drawn nine months ago and I've

524
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Speaker 5: been lobbying extremely hard and talking to every MP I could,

525
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Speaker 5: because I think it's a complicated ish bill for people

526
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Speaker 5: to get their head around sometimes. And also you know

527
00:25:08,613 --> 00:25:10,812
Speaker 5: there's a lot of different things being touched, so everyone's

528
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Speaker 5: got their own special interest so it's kind of hard

529
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Speaker 5: to get the gauge of where people were at. But

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Speaker 5: last time this bill came up got thirty seven votes

531
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Speaker 5: in favor. This time it's gotten forty nine, which means

532
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Speaker 5: you know, there was some work done in lobbying, and

533
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Speaker 5: I think proud of what I did trying to represent

534
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Speaker 5: New Zealanders who want to have a bit of choice

535
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Speaker 5: and freedom on how they spend their Easter with their

536
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Speaker 5: friends and family. And you know, it's done its dash.

537
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Speaker 5: It's a bit of a shame that other parties didn't

538
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Speaker 5: see the value of that, but we've done what we could.

539
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Speaker 2: Probably speaking who voted against.

540
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Speaker 5: It, well, it's sort of hard to say just yet

541
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Speaker 5: until the House's officials do the proper tality. But I mean,

542
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Speaker 5: I will say on the side voting yes, I didn't

543
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Speaker 5: see members from parties other than Actor National out there,

544
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Speaker 5: so we'll remain to be seen who vote against. But

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Speaker 5: I think the fact that you know, there's been polling

546
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Speaker 5: done that shows a majority of New Zealanders, so from

547
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Speaker 5: every who support every party across the House, actually wanted

548
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Speaker 5: to see this change, and so the fact that party

549
00:26:19,293 --> 00:26:23,733
Speaker 5: leaders were whether officially or unofficially, whipping their members to

550
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Speaker 5: vote against it, it's just sort of shows I wish

551
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Speaker 5: people had taken it more seriously and actually represented the

552
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Speaker 5: communities which they represent, which is a majority wanting to

553
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Speaker 5: see a change.

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Speaker 3: You've been doing the hard week behind the scenes, Cameron,

555
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Speaker 3: to try and drum up the votes. When you got

556
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Speaker 3: pushback from members, why what was the big reason for

557
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Speaker 3: their pushback.

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Speaker 5: There was a lot of concern about workers' rights and

559
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Speaker 5: people spending time with their families. So I think it

560
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Speaker 5: is absolutely fair concern, a fair worry, and it was

561
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Speaker 5: something that might bill mitigated because currently, if you want,

562
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Speaker 5: if your employee would like their employee to work on

563
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Speaker 5: good on Easter Sunday, they must give that employee four

564
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Speaker 5: months notice and a four weeks notice. Sorry, I a

565
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Speaker 5: very big day going through this four weeks notice before

566
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Speaker 5: the date to get that. Employees are not objection to

567
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Speaker 5: both to working, so saying if I don't want to work,

568
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Speaker 5: I don't have to and there's no repercussions. My bill

569
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Speaker 5: is extending that to include Good Friday. So it's actually

570
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Speaker 5: increasing worker protection and workers' rights and increasing choice for

571
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Speaker 5: all New Zealanders. So trying to make that point clear

572
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Speaker 5: to people, as I am struggling to do it to

573
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Speaker 5: you right now that after talking about it all afternoon,

574
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Speaker 5: you get a bit tungu time. But look, I think

575
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Speaker 5: trying to get that across that is actually increasing choice

576
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Speaker 5: for all New Zealanders and our enjoyment of the Easter

577
00:27:45,893 --> 00:27:49,093
Speaker 5: weekend was the key part. There was other issues when

578
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Speaker 5: people talk about the religious aspect and how important the

579
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Speaker 5: Christian faiths in New Zealand, and I agree entirely this

580
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Speaker 5: builds nothing did nothing to impinge upon that. People wanted

581
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Speaker 5: to take the day off and spend it in religious observance.

582
00:28:05,933 --> 00:28:08,653
Speaker 5: They could, so they wanted to go and play round

583
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Speaker 5: a mini part or go the go chutes. They could

584
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Speaker 5: do that too, So it was basically the increasing choice

585
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Speaker 5: for all New Zealanders without taking rights away from anybody.

586
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Speaker 5: It feels like something that should have been supported across

587
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Speaker 5: the House, but as the cards fell, perhaps not.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about Cameron Luxton, the sponsor of the repeal

589
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Speaker 2: of Good Friday and Easter Sundays, restricted trading days, shopping trading,

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Speaker 2: Sale of Alcohol Amendment bill. Will you be continuing the fight, Cameron?

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Speaker 13: Will you?

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Speaker 2: Will you be attempting to bring this bill back? This

593
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Speaker 2: git pulled out of the hat, this bill.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 5: So as a private members bill, it's a bill which

596
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Speaker 5: I brought to the House and like I said, actually

597
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Speaker 5: it's been done before. Chris Bailey another ACTVMP tried it

598
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Speaker 5: in the last something's very similar in the last Parliament

599
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Speaker 5: and that was the one that was voted was only

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Speaker 5: thirty seven in favor, not a majority. This one forty nine.

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Speaker 5: Like I say, it's good to see an improvement, and

602
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Speaker 5: that me personally. I've got another Member's bill in the

603
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Speaker 5: Tin which I'm quite passionate about, and I think, considering

604
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Speaker 5: the the arguments which I've just heard in the House

605
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Speaker 5: opposed to it, I don't think that there was enough

606
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Speaker 5: engagement with the ideas perhaps putting that nicely from the

607
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Speaker 5: other parties. So I think maybe you know, my new

608
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Speaker 5: my Next Members Bill, if I'm so lucky to have

609
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Speaker 5: that drawn, might have a better chance in this Parliament.

610
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Speaker 5: But I'm sure someone's going to pick it up again

611
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Speaker 5: in the future because it's a perennial issue that annoys

612
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Speaker 5: New Zealanders every year. We hear about it every year.

613
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Speaker 5: I mean the warbirds over Wonka fiasco and Wanaka last

614
00:29:42,813 --> 00:29:45,813
Speaker 5: year was a prime example where you know the two

615
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Speaker 5: the two supermarkets just opened despite it being illegal to

616
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Speaker 5: actually serve the huge amount of tourists that had come

617
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Speaker 5: to the area. So it's not working for New Zealanders,

618
00:29:55,053 --> 00:29:56,933
Speaker 5: which means one day it will be fixed, but it

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Speaker 5: isn't today.

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Speaker 2: Well Cameron onman, I'm I've got mixed views on this.

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Speaker 2: Would any part of you fould a little bit bad

622
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Speaker 2: if we gone through I mean just a little part,

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Speaker 2: because I mean when we when we cancel these traditions,

624
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Speaker 2: you're not canceling them, but when we diminish them, they

625
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Speaker 2: never come back. So that's a whole lot of time

626
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Speaker 2: and history and ways people have celebrated things that then

627
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Speaker 2: change forever. So had there been a little bit of

628
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Speaker 2: you that will be that has nostalgia for those quieter.

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Speaker 5: Times, well, it depends how you mean quieter times. I

630
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Speaker 5: mean my worry is that our country and I said

631
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Speaker 5: it in my speech in the House, which I worry

632
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Speaker 5: that people who have got a sort of a warm

633
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Speaker 5: view of the history of New Zealand, and that we

634
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Speaker 5: spend our time if we're not doing something horrible and commercial,

635
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Speaker 5: like going doing something wholesome, maybe going to the garden,

636
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Speaker 5: or go to the beach, maybe a lake shore somewhere.

637
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Speaker 5: But in reality, you know, things have changed. New Zealanders

638
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Speaker 5: live in subdivided properties, they live in townhouses without gardens perhaps,

639
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Speaker 5: and we've got screens basically everywhere. So I'm worried that

640
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Speaker 5: you know, people do actually choose to go and enjoy

641
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Speaker 5: themselves in other ways, and if they're not given those options,

642
00:31:07,453 --> 00:31:09,933
Speaker 5: you know a lot of people will probably see their

643
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Speaker 5: kids on screen more often, or even the adults, which

644
00:31:12,773 --> 00:31:15,413
Speaker 5: isn't actually a good outcome. So I do agree it's

645
00:31:15,413 --> 00:31:18,453
Speaker 5: an Easter is an important tradition. Well, Bill wouldn't have

646
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Speaker 5: changed a single public holiday, including the two Easter public holidays,

647
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Speaker 5: so they would have maintained their special stairfum sets. It

648
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Speaker 5: would have increased it because it would be the only

649
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Speaker 5: two days of the year where someone could refuse to

650
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Speaker 5: work without the consequence. Yeah, so I think you can say,

651
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Speaker 5: you know, traditions are important. Also, New Zealand is changing.

652
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Speaker 5: It's changed rapidly over the last few decades. We need

653
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Speaker 5: to actually adapt to that and that's what my bill

654
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Speaker 5: was trying to do.

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Speaker 3: Well, Cameron, thank you very much for stepping out of

656
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Speaker 3: the house to have a chat with us, and hope

657
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Speaker 3: you have a merry Christmas.

658
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Speaker 5: Ye, merry Christmas to you gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. That is Cameron Luxton at Party MP,

660
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Speaker 3: who was a sponsor of this particular bill that has

661
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Speaker 3: been voted down. But we're going to carry on this

662
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Speaker 3: conversation because it is something that pops up time and

663
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Speaker 3: tom again. He said the votes were getting nearer, it's

664
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Speaker 3: closer to passing.

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Speaker 2: It will definitely happen. And I totally see his point

666
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Speaker 2: of view, and I totally see your point of the

667
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Speaker 2: NA totally see the majority of the texts coming through

668
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Speaker 2: point of view. But just part of me thinks that

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Speaker 2: having a couple of days, a few days a year

670
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Speaker 2: when most things are closed and we know that most

671
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Speaker 2: members of a family are going to be available to

672
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Speaker 2: get together and things may be just a little bit

673
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Speaker 2: quieter for a day. And he said, you know, people

674
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Speaker 2: will probably just be on the screen. So maybe they will,

675
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Speaker 2: but maybe they won't. Who knows.

676
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Speaker 3: It's a fair argument. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

677
00:32:35,173 --> 00:32:37,813
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. It is sixteen to two.

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Speaker 1: Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred eighty

679
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Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four, News

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Speaker 1: Talk said be.

681
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Speaker 3: New News Talk said be. I was going to say

682
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Speaker 3: Happy New Years. News Talks d be so early for

683
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Speaker 3: that Happy New Years. We're definitely going to be saying

684
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Speaker 3: that in about one month's time.

685
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Speaker 2: Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas and a happy New Year

686
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Speaker 2: at all.

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Speaker 3: That was beautiful, mate. It is thirteen to two and

688
00:33:04,933 --> 00:33:07,493
Speaker 3: we aren't talking about the repeal of Good Friday and

689
00:33:07,493 --> 00:33:10,733
Speaker 3: Easter Sunday as restricted trading days bill that has been

690
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Speaker 3: voted down. It is an interesting discussion.

691
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Speaker 2: But it will come back. It will come It was

692
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Speaker 2: closer to going through this time than it was last time.

693
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Speaker 2: So the next time it comes out, it'll go through that.

694
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Speaker 2: It seems no doubt about that. Yeah, and moved from

695
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Speaker 2: thirty seven votes to forty nine votes.

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Speaker 3: This time it's getting closer. So you have worked in

697
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Speaker 3: retail yourself, how would you feel, Yeah, how would you

698
00:33:30,333 --> 00:33:34,293
Speaker 3: feel about those particular days being taken out of the

699
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Speaker 3: legislation as in businesses can open and sell their wiirs.

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Speaker 14: Well, it's interesting that voted was voted down and my

701
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Speaker 14: faith is restored somewhat to some MPs for seeing since

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Speaker 14: with it I have battled. We had a don't forget

703
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Speaker 14: that councils have by laws. So what the MP is

704
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Speaker 14: trying to bring in was nationwide one blanket law. You've

705
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Speaker 14: still got councils that can have bylaws, so your air

706
00:34:02,853 --> 00:34:05,813
Speaker 14: shows and all that sort of thing. And that's where

707
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Speaker 14: I was that I stood up for the workers that

708
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Speaker 14: I worked with because they couldn't or wouldn't put their

709
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Speaker 14: voice to it. I spoke up for collective workers.

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Speaker 15: And in my.

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Speaker 14: Area, we're a rural area and as a worker it

712
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Speaker 14: is only the retails, retailers and the hospital that is affected.

713
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Speaker 14: But we only get paid. Just remember that Friday is

714
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Speaker 14: the public holiday. We don't get public holiday is not Sunday.

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Speaker 14: He's talking about restricted trading, but it is not a

716
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Speaker 14: public holiday on the Sunday. So if we worked on

717
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Speaker 14: that Sunday, if we have happened to be open, that's

718
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Speaker 14: not something that we would get paid for. However, workers'

719
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Speaker 14: rights is a very important part of all this. That

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Speaker 14: when you work for a small company that you can negotiate,

721
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Speaker 14: but when you work with a big they place like

722
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Speaker 14: warehouse or some of those bigger enterprises, then you're you

723
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Speaker 14: are restricted to You might say, oh no you can't,

724
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Speaker 14: you you're not don't have to work, but there is

725
00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:22,813
Speaker 14: pressure that goes undue, pressure goes on, and I think

726
00:35:22,853 --> 00:35:27,413
Speaker 14: that those sort of things are concerning, but those by

727
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Speaker 14: laws cover those areas, and in our area, the rural area,

728
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Speaker 14: we actually have even though the council voted against all

729
00:35:38,613 --> 00:35:42,813
Speaker 14: the submissions were in favor of keeping closed, but they

730
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Speaker 14: overruled the submissions, the amount of submissions and rule that

731
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Speaker 14: businesses had the choice to open in our area. The

732
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Speaker 14: supermarkets chose to close, and we applauded them. They got

733
00:35:57,613 --> 00:36:01,933
Speaker 14: great community support for doing that, and you know, it

734
00:36:01,973 --> 00:36:06,093
Speaker 14: was very important. Now people talking about it's a religious

735
00:36:06,093 --> 00:36:10,573
Speaker 14: holiday and everything, but collectively, as a nation, we've decided

736
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Speaker 14: that these we have a rich history or social history.

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Speaker 11: These are the.

738
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Speaker 14: Times that we gather to have a holiday. And you

739
00:36:19,173 --> 00:36:22,853
Speaker 14: know we've had matariki. Remember that's been added in the holiday.

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Speaker 14: So you'll apply the same principles. These people jumping up

741
00:36:26,973 --> 00:36:31,053
Speaker 14: and down in businesses barking, you apply the same principles.

742
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Speaker 14: I don't subscribe to matadiki, but I respect the fact

743
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Speaker 14: that as a nation we've collectively decided that Mataiki is

744
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Speaker 14: an important time for family together, gather together. And I

745
00:36:42,893 --> 00:36:46,853
Speaker 14: just refute what that MP was saying. More than ever,

746
00:36:47,053 --> 00:36:50,413
Speaker 14: we need to connect as families and have time just

747
00:36:50,493 --> 00:36:53,213
Speaker 14: to back off, not everyone. You do not need to

748
00:36:53,253 --> 00:36:57,693
Speaker 14: shop twenty four to seven in a bricks and mortar store.

749
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Speaker 14: You you know, it is good to have. We have

750
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Speaker 14: so few of those days. Even and that day it's

751
00:37:05,573 --> 00:37:07,413
Speaker 14: only half a day. And I used to say, no,

752
00:37:07,613 --> 00:37:11,333
Speaker 14: I'm not working, and that afternoon and that's day to me,

753
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Speaker 14: the whole day, and I'll pay my respect. So respect.

754
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Speaker 14: So our MP in the Wine Apple here actually surveyed

755
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Speaker 14: the Mike Butterick. He spent a lot of time on

756
00:37:26,013 --> 00:37:28,893
Speaker 14: ads and things. He made it very clear he wanted

757
00:37:28,933 --> 00:37:32,292
Speaker 14: to hear from the people, the voting people, about how

758
00:37:32,333 --> 00:37:36,453
Speaker 14: to vote on this vote in the House today. So

759
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Speaker 14: I take my hat off to him for that. So yeah,

760
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Speaker 14: and we already had that right on Good Friday to close.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much having that.

762
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Speaker 14: I'm guessing it was the unions that pushed that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hey, thank you so much for your call, sir,

764
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Speaker 2: and thank you for your views on that. We'll keep

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Speaker 2: this going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you said that very well. Oh one hundred and

767
00:38:00,093 --> 00:38:02,453
Speaker 3: eightyeen eighty is a number to call. Nineteen nine two

768
00:38:02,533 --> 00:38:06,333
Speaker 3: is the text number. It is eight to two.

769
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Speaker 4: Mattie Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 1: Sneaking your calls on Oh eight hundredth Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Afternoons, news talks be news talks. Yeah, but we're going

772
00:38:16,453 --> 00:38:18,373
Speaker 3: to carry this on after two o'clock. We aren't talking

773
00:38:18,413 --> 00:38:21,373
Speaker 3: about Easter trading laws. The bill that went through Parliament

774
00:38:21,413 --> 00:38:25,013
Speaker 3: today was voted down, so that legislation will remain as

775
00:38:25,133 --> 00:38:27,773
Speaker 3: in stores. Most stores will be closed on Good Friday

776
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Speaker 3: and Easter Sunday.

777
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Speaker 2: And we heard just from Sue in her views from

778
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Speaker 2: the point of view of workers. But we must point

779
00:38:34,613 --> 00:38:39,653
Speaker 2: out that this part of the bill and the explanation

780
00:38:39,733 --> 00:38:42,093
Speaker 2: for the bill. The impact of this is felt most

781
00:38:42,093 --> 00:38:44,732
Speaker 2: severely by small businesses, who generally have a smaller pool

782
00:38:44,733 --> 00:38:47,652
Speaker 2: of cash reserves and tighter allowances. Small businesses make up

783
00:38:47,733 --> 00:38:50,252
Speaker 2: ninety seven percent of all businesses, an employee around thirty

784
00:38:50,293 --> 00:38:53,692
Speaker 2: percent of the total New Zealand working population. And that's

785
00:38:53,733 --> 00:38:55,453
Speaker 2: why it's a tough issue, isn't.

786
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Speaker 3: It certainly is.

787
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Speaker 13: Yeah.

788
00:38:56,493 --> 00:38:58,413
Speaker 3: I mean like this text, so it says right now, Hi,

789
00:38:58,613 --> 00:39:01,093
Speaker 3: politicians don't get it. Stop impeding us and telling us

790
00:39:01,133 --> 00:39:04,413
Speaker 3: how to live. Let the free market dictate, dictate rather,

791
00:39:04,693 --> 00:39:06,692
Speaker 3: if it is not viable, the shops will not open.

792
00:39:06,733 --> 00:39:09,213
Speaker 3: There will always be staff available where plenty of employment

793
00:39:09,293 --> 00:39:10,573
Speaker 3: rules in place to ensure choice.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm a massive capitalist, but I can see how

795
00:39:13,133 --> 00:39:16,173
Speaker 2: you can hollow out a society completely if you don't

796
00:39:16,293 --> 00:39:19,333
Speaker 2: ever holiday at the same time as each other.

797
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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love to hear

798
00:39:21,893 --> 00:39:24,053
Speaker 3: your thoughts on this if you are a small business,

799
00:39:24,813 --> 00:39:27,413
Speaker 3: really keen to get your thoughts on this legislation remaining

800
00:39:27,533 --> 00:39:29,933
Speaker 3: in place. Nine two nine two is the text number.

801
00:39:30,293 --> 00:39:32,853
Speaker 3: It is four minutes to too great to have your company.

802
00:39:32,853 --> 00:39:35,373
Speaker 3: As always, you're listening to Matt and Tyler we will

803
00:39:35,453 --> 00:39:38,413
Speaker 3: catch you on the other side of news Who's.

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Speaker 16: I'm a fun love Parctic, but I'm under the very

805
00:39:51,373 --> 00:39:52,933
Speaker 16: first kiss.

806
00:39:56,253 --> 00:39:59,333
Speaker 4: You make it be last Cruises.

807
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Speaker 16: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Your new home for Instateful and Entertaining Talk, It's Matt

809
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Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on News Talk Zebby.

810
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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. Seks past to

811
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Speaker 3: just a reminder, at the end of the this hour,

812
00:40:31,773 --> 00:40:34,373
Speaker 3: we will give away two copies of A Life Less Punishing,

813
00:40:34,453 --> 00:40:37,733
Speaker 3: Dirty Ways to Love the Life You've Got by Matt Heath,

814
00:40:37,813 --> 00:40:40,013
Speaker 3: which is a fantastic read. And I'm going to read

815
00:40:40,013 --> 00:40:42,133
Speaker 3: that a little bit of the book about Worry that

816
00:40:42,173 --> 00:40:43,773
Speaker 3: I read last night. It was a chapter that I

817
00:40:43,853 --> 00:40:46,172
Speaker 3: was interested in because I can worry a bit too much.

818
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Speaker 3: But we're going to get that to that at the

819
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Speaker 3: end of the hour.

820
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

821
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Speaker 2: A big fan of Matt Heath. He's a great man.

822
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Speaker 2: And look what I can't think of a bit of

823
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Speaker 2: stuffing stuffer stuffing stuffer, stuffing stocker? Is that stuffing stocker?

824
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

825
00:40:57,813 --> 00:41:02,172
Speaker 2: No, stocking stuff It's confusing Christmas because there's stuffing, yeah,

826
00:41:02,493 --> 00:41:05,693
Speaker 2: and there's stock stockings and there's stocking stuffers. But you

827
00:41:05,813 --> 00:41:08,652
Speaker 2: can't stuff a chicken with a stocking. No, No, well

828
00:41:08,693 --> 00:41:11,493
Speaker 2: you could try, Yeah you could. Yeah, I wouldn't go

829
00:41:11,493 --> 00:41:13,053
Speaker 2: down so well, I'm going to be all right, wouldn't

830
00:41:13,053 --> 00:41:15,733
Speaker 2: it because you don't have to eat it? Yeah? I

831
00:41:15,853 --> 00:41:19,053
Speaker 2: mean as anyone tried that, I mean dows the stocking

832
00:41:19,693 --> 00:41:22,732
Speaker 2: and herbs and spices. I mean I've stuck a beer

833
00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:24,893
Speaker 2: can and a checken before that's work. Have you done that?

834
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Speaker 13: Yeah?

835
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Speaker 2: Beautiful? Yeah, the beer can, checkn chuck that on the barbie. Yeah,

836
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Speaker 2: so like soa stocking and a bunch anyware we're getting

837
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Speaker 2: off top of Yeah.

838
00:41:31,933 --> 00:41:33,893
Speaker 3: Nine to nine to If you've done that, anyway, there's

839
00:41:33,933 --> 00:41:36,533
Speaker 3: almost Christmas, isn't it. We have been chatting about the

840
00:41:36,693 --> 00:41:38,533
Speaker 3: repeal of Good Friday and Easter Sunday.

841
00:41:38,373 --> 00:41:39,773
Speaker 2: Or has anyone put a check in in a like

842
00:41:43,213 --> 00:41:44,893
Speaker 2: opens this stocking and you've got a chicken in there?

843
00:41:45,373 --> 00:41:47,573
Speaker 2: Has anyone done that? Or a turkey? Anyway?

844
00:41:47,573 --> 00:41:50,013
Speaker 3: Would that be a good prison for a kid? Anyway?

845
00:41:50,053 --> 00:41:53,773
Speaker 3: So we're talking about Easter Sunday trading. It has been

846
00:41:53,853 --> 00:41:56,053
Speaker 3: voted down in Parliament and we have been asking the

847
00:41:56,133 --> 00:41:59,293
Speaker 3: question was this a good play from our politicians? Have

848
00:41:59,333 --> 00:42:01,533
Speaker 3: got pretty close, well a lot closer than the last

849
00:42:01,573 --> 00:42:04,693
Speaker 3: time this came up in Parliament. Yeah, and as the

850
00:42:04,973 --> 00:42:07,732
Speaker 3: bill sponsor, Cameron Luxton, he's an act in piece said

851
00:42:08,573 --> 00:42:11,573
Speaker 3: come up again at some stage and likely that it

852
00:42:11,733 --> 00:42:13,973
Speaker 3: might get over the line at that stage. But as

853
00:42:14,013 --> 00:42:17,653
Speaker 3: it stands, next Easter, for most businesses, they won't be

854
00:42:17,773 --> 00:42:20,533
Speaker 3: able to open on the good Friday and Easter Sunday.

855
00:42:21,093 --> 00:42:24,013
Speaker 3: Is that a Are you happy about that? Oor eight

856
00:42:24,133 --> 00:42:26,252
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Matt.

857
00:42:26,453 --> 00:42:29,613
Speaker 3: You made a fair argument last hour about the idea

858
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Speaker 3: of having some parts of the year where most of

859
00:42:33,853 --> 00:42:37,093
Speaker 3: us as New Zealanders, as families, as friends can get

860
00:42:37,173 --> 00:42:40,973
Speaker 3: together and rest and recoup, and there are studies around

861
00:42:41,053 --> 00:42:43,172
Speaker 3: that that is actually good for a population. Yeah, I totally.

862
00:42:43,333 --> 00:42:45,652
Speaker 2: I can see both sides of this argument. I can

863
00:42:45,733 --> 00:42:48,893
Speaker 2: see what Cameron Luxton was getting at with his with

864
00:42:49,093 --> 00:42:51,613
Speaker 2: his amendment bill, and I do understand what you say.

865
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Speaker 2: The impact of this is felt most severely by small

866
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Speaker 2: businesses that generally have a smaller pool of cash reserves

867
00:42:56,093 --> 00:42:59,252
Speaker 2: and title allowances, and small businesses make up ninet percent

868
00:42:59,333 --> 00:43:01,333
Speaker 2: of all businesses and employee thirty per cent of the

869
00:43:01,373 --> 00:43:03,733
Speaker 2: total New Zealand working population, and we do have a

870
00:43:03,773 --> 00:43:07,173
Speaker 2: productivity problem in New Zealand, and we already we do

871
00:43:07,293 --> 00:43:10,252
Speaker 2: have a lot of holidays and look, you totally feel

872
00:43:10,333 --> 00:43:13,253
Speaker 2: for people that think they could make some money on

873
00:43:14,253 --> 00:43:16,053
Speaker 2: Good Friday, but they have to close. But I just

874
00:43:16,133 --> 00:43:19,773
Speaker 2: think when these things go away, they go away for

875
00:43:19,933 --> 00:43:23,813
Speaker 2: good and it's easier to nurture. Is this is a

876
00:43:24,533 --> 00:43:27,613
Speaker 2: I was talking before about this englishilosopher that I follow

877
00:43:27,693 --> 00:43:30,933
Speaker 2: called Oliver Berkman wrote this fantastic book called four thousand

878
00:43:30,973 --> 00:43:33,973
Speaker 2: Weeks Time Management for Mortals, And I was telling this

879
00:43:34,093 --> 00:43:38,053
Speaker 2: before that he's written about a study out of Uppsala

880
00:43:38,173 --> 00:43:42,693
Speaker 2: University in Sweden and have found out that when Swedes

881
00:43:42,773 --> 00:43:49,453
Speaker 2: take time off, antidepressant prescriptions go down, but primarily when

882
00:43:49,573 --> 00:43:52,893
Speaker 2: they take holidays at the same time. So that is

883
00:43:52,933 --> 00:43:55,253
Speaker 2: the big key. So when and they have holidays that

884
00:43:55,253 --> 00:43:57,373
Speaker 2: are at the same time and when they take them,

885
00:43:57,853 --> 00:44:01,853
Speaker 2: it's very very good for the society. And this is

886
00:44:01,893 --> 00:44:05,253
Speaker 2: because it's easier to nurture relationships with family and friends

887
00:44:05,573 --> 00:44:08,933
Speaker 2: when they're all on leave, and it's and it's better.

888
00:44:09,173 --> 00:44:11,253
Speaker 2: It's easy to relax when you know that everyone's on leave,

889
00:44:11,773 --> 00:44:15,773
Speaker 2: so you know, and this isn't specifically what the bill's about.

890
00:44:15,893 --> 00:44:18,413
Speaker 2: But if you know that there's no one in the office,

891
00:44:18,493 --> 00:44:20,933
Speaker 2: so you can relax because the office isn't doing anything,

892
00:44:21,253 --> 00:44:23,013
Speaker 2: and that you're not missing out on things, and that

893
00:44:23,133 --> 00:44:26,693
Speaker 2: the inbox isn't piling up, and that you know that

894
00:44:26,813 --> 00:44:29,013
Speaker 2: the other members of your family will be available because

895
00:44:29,013 --> 00:44:31,613
Speaker 2: they're not not working. So I think that these holidays

896
00:44:32,013 --> 00:44:35,812
Speaker 2: and look, I agree with all these these things about

897
00:44:35,853 --> 00:44:38,013
Speaker 2: the burden that businesses take on for it, but I

898
00:44:38,133 --> 00:44:41,413
Speaker 2: just think we give up these holidays and they never

899
00:44:41,493 --> 00:44:43,413
Speaker 2: come back, and we give up these traditions and they

900
00:44:43,493 --> 00:44:45,093
Speaker 2: just never come back. And so if we want to

901
00:44:45,133 --> 00:44:47,253
Speaker 2: move on and that's the way will go in the future,

902
00:44:47,253 --> 00:44:49,133
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about it. It will tend that way.

903
00:44:49,453 --> 00:44:51,933
Speaker 2: But once it's gone, it's gone. So you know it's

904
00:44:51,973 --> 00:44:52,732
Speaker 2: worth having the debate.

905
00:44:52,933 --> 00:44:55,773
Speaker 3: YEP, so compelling argument. George, how are you this afternoon?

906
00:44:56,333 --> 00:44:56,453
Speaker 17: Oh?

907
00:44:56,613 --> 00:44:58,333
Speaker 13: Very good, bro, I thank you. Guys, got too much

908
00:44:58,413 --> 00:45:00,373
Speaker 13: brandy in your Christmas cac that you're living.

909
00:45:00,293 --> 00:45:03,133
Speaker 3: On or not enough? We're just getting started, George.

910
00:45:03,893 --> 00:45:07,053
Speaker 13: Chickens and stockings and stockings and chickens. I mean this

911
00:45:07,213 --> 00:45:08,053
Speaker 13: is getting interesting.

912
00:45:10,253 --> 00:45:12,252
Speaker 2: The wheel's coming off and sot of it happens about

913
00:45:12,693 --> 00:45:15,693
Speaker 2: the last Wednesday of your working week, about.

914
00:45:15,533 --> 00:45:16,933
Speaker 3: This time where it starts falling apart.

915
00:45:17,053 --> 00:45:18,853
Speaker 2: You start putting a check in and a stocking. That's

916
00:45:18,893 --> 00:45:20,853
Speaker 2: always happens, much.

917
00:45:20,733 --> 00:45:22,732
Speaker 13: As the guys that put their wheels deck on their cars.

918
00:45:22,773 --> 00:45:25,013
Speaker 13: There's only one wonder.

919
00:45:24,213 --> 00:45:26,933
Speaker 2: What that's me.

920
00:45:28,293 --> 00:45:30,973
Speaker 13: But anyway, why do we want to just let go

921
00:45:31,213 --> 00:45:33,453
Speaker 13: something that was so hard to get?

922
00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:38,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'll jumping in here, George and that, and again,

923
00:45:38,333 --> 00:45:41,252
Speaker 3: Matt's argument very compelling. And I hear what you're saying,

924
00:45:41,333 --> 00:45:44,933
Speaker 3: once it's gone, it's very unlikely to come back. And

925
00:45:45,453 --> 00:45:48,252
Speaker 3: my argument and I look, I'm changing my barometer here

926
00:45:49,333 --> 00:45:51,453
Speaker 3: when I hear these arguments coming on the other side,

927
00:45:51,453 --> 00:45:53,933
Speaker 3: because you're quite right, I have been privileged to have

928
00:45:54,013 --> 00:45:56,213
Speaker 3: a career where I get to enjoy those holidays with

929
00:45:56,373 --> 00:45:58,893
Speaker 3: friends and careers that they don't have to work those days.

930
00:45:58,933 --> 00:46:01,053
Speaker 3: But my argument still sits on if you're a business

931
00:46:01,293 --> 00:46:05,053
Speaker 3: and you can find your people to come and staff

932
00:46:05,133 --> 00:46:08,692
Speaker 3: your business during those days, then you should be able

933
00:46:08,773 --> 00:46:11,493
Speaker 3: to have that ability to do that without being fined.

934
00:46:11,653 --> 00:46:15,333
Speaker 13: Your argument, though, is it, Well, yes, no, it's not.

935
00:46:15,733 --> 00:46:16,453
Speaker 3: What's my argument?

936
00:46:17,133 --> 00:46:19,613
Speaker 13: Your argument is very adamant that first of all, you

937
00:46:19,693 --> 00:46:24,613
Speaker 13: don't believe in Christianity, the special remembrance days must now

938
00:46:24,813 --> 00:46:28,733
Speaker 13: have workers and shops as your slave so that you

939
00:46:28,813 --> 00:46:31,893
Speaker 13: can have the convenience to be able to be served

940
00:46:32,293 --> 00:46:35,933
Speaker 13: as your beacon call. While he says, well, you say

941
00:46:36,013 --> 00:46:38,973
Speaker 13: you're so special and don't need to work, but those

942
00:46:39,053 --> 00:46:41,413
Speaker 13: are the shops I got to be there to serve you.

943
00:46:41,413 --> 00:46:43,573
Speaker 3: You're very clever at putting words in my mouth, George.

944
00:46:43,613 --> 00:46:46,133
Speaker 3: I never never said I was anti Christian. I quite

945
00:46:46,253 --> 00:46:49,013
Speaker 3: like the idea, and look again, Christmas is something that

946
00:46:49,053 --> 00:46:52,413
Speaker 3: I celebrate. I don't go to church that often, and

947
00:46:52,453 --> 00:46:56,333
Speaker 3: I'm not overtly Christian. But mygment was your argument.

948
00:46:56,173 --> 00:46:59,253
Speaker 13: Was going to Nelson and you weren't organized the day

949
00:46:59,333 --> 00:47:02,173
Speaker 13: before enough to be able to get what you needed

950
00:47:02,933 --> 00:47:05,973
Speaker 13: because you forgot and that messed up the day.

951
00:47:06,133 --> 00:47:08,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I did also say I was a numpty

952
00:47:08,493 --> 00:47:12,253
Speaker 3: for doing that. But my stronger argument, George, is about

953
00:47:12,373 --> 00:47:14,893
Speaker 3: the ability for the business is if they can find staff,

954
00:47:15,693 --> 00:47:17,692
Speaker 3: and the staff want to work, and they can get

955
00:47:17,733 --> 00:47:19,613
Speaker 3: paid time and a half because it is a holiday

956
00:47:19,653 --> 00:47:22,212
Speaker 3: for most people, that they can do that without being fined.

957
00:47:22,213 --> 00:47:23,813
Speaker 3: Because as it stands at the moment. A lot of

958
00:47:23,853 --> 00:47:26,733
Speaker 3: those businesses do open up because they know they're going

959
00:47:26,813 --> 00:47:28,333
Speaker 3: to get the fine from the government, and it's all

960
00:47:28,413 --> 00:47:30,093
Speaker 3: just a bit of a farce, and you get the

961
00:47:30,133 --> 00:47:33,453
Speaker 3: oderens in christ Us in the restay the wider pictures.

962
00:47:33,653 --> 00:47:35,973
Speaker 13: You want people to be able to go shopping, not

963
00:47:36,133 --> 00:47:38,173
Speaker 13: because you want people to be able to be in

964
00:47:38,293 --> 00:47:41,253
Speaker 13: the shops to work. There's no point in being there

965
00:47:41,453 --> 00:47:44,853
Speaker 13: and less people are going shopping. So the argument that's

966
00:47:44,893 --> 00:47:46,613
Speaker 13: been all the way through from all the couple of

967
00:47:46,893 --> 00:47:51,013
Speaker 13: last few years, people want to go shopping on Christmas Day,

968
00:47:51,173 --> 00:47:54,573
Speaker 13: on Easter Day and on Easter Friday, not to mention

969
00:47:54,693 --> 00:47:58,173
Speaker 13: all the others. Well, I've got a bit of a proposal, okay,

970
00:47:59,333 --> 00:48:04,773
Speaker 13: that statute holidays should be removed, that everyone is allocated

971
00:48:04,893 --> 00:48:09,413
Speaker 13: extra and you'll leave for those days. Our statue holidays

972
00:48:09,573 --> 00:48:12,813
Speaker 13: are now to be regarded as normal work days. That

973
00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:16,093
Speaker 13: if you want Christmas, Easter Friday and all the rest,

974
00:48:16,133 --> 00:48:19,133
Speaker 13: you apply for it office and you'll leave because it's

975
00:48:19,133 --> 00:48:22,613
Speaker 13: been allocated to you extra leave days. And that means

976
00:48:22,653 --> 00:48:25,173
Speaker 13: the banks, the office is, the radio stations, the shops,

977
00:48:25,533 --> 00:48:29,973
Speaker 13: the retailers, industries, everybody remains open because it's a normal

978
00:48:30,173 --> 00:48:33,973
Speaker 13: working day, because what people are saying is we don't

979
00:48:34,053 --> 00:48:36,173
Speaker 13: want it as a normal working day. We want a

980
00:48:36,213 --> 00:48:38,893
Speaker 13: special day only for some people. The rest you have

981
00:48:39,093 --> 00:48:42,453
Speaker 13: to work. So why not make it fair because I

982
00:48:42,533 --> 00:48:45,933
Speaker 13: think the proposal is unfair to all those people in

983
00:48:45,973 --> 00:48:48,493
Speaker 13: those retail business. Is that what actually appreciate having that

984
00:48:48,613 --> 00:48:48,973
Speaker 13: day off?

985
00:48:49,453 --> 00:48:49,652
Speaker 9: Yeah?

986
00:48:49,853 --> 00:48:51,893
Speaker 2: And I can totally see the logic and what you're

987
00:48:51,893 --> 00:48:54,293
Speaker 2: saying there, And that's the end game for this, isn't

988
00:48:54,333 --> 00:48:58,172
Speaker 2: it really? If that's totally logical what you're saying there.

989
00:48:58,493 --> 00:49:00,613
Speaker 2: But for me, and maybe I've got an old fashioned

990
00:49:00,653 --> 00:49:03,172
Speaker 2: attitude towards it, but I think it's I think it's

991
00:49:03,293 --> 00:49:05,693
Speaker 2: awesome that we have a Christmas holiday altogether and the

992
00:49:05,773 --> 00:49:08,333
Speaker 2: country with the Christmas holiday.

993
00:49:09,093 --> 00:49:13,013
Speaker 13: Through one more, yes point, my last point after all,

994
00:49:13,533 --> 00:49:17,093
Speaker 13: your radio station reports fifty seven percent of New Zealanders

995
00:49:17,373 --> 00:49:19,773
Speaker 13: no longer have any Christian faith or faith at all,

996
00:49:20,133 --> 00:49:23,773
Speaker 13: therefore Christian holidays no longer apply to them, That fifty

997
00:49:24,013 --> 00:49:26,853
Speaker 13: seven percent of New Zealanders no longer need to have

998
00:49:27,013 --> 00:49:30,733
Speaker 13: funerals will be buried through churches, and that fifty percent

999
00:49:30,813 --> 00:49:33,213
Speaker 13: of New Zealanders are no longer entitled to go to

1000
00:49:33,333 --> 00:49:37,053
Speaker 13: heaven and be will there be spaces for them for me?

1001
00:49:37,653 --> 00:49:40,893
Speaker 13: After all, they no longer want to celebrate, nor remember

1002
00:49:41,093 --> 00:49:44,252
Speaker 13: or put aside the one day that Jesus Christ died

1003
00:49:44,653 --> 00:49:48,093
Speaker 13: and rose again on Easter Sunday and remember that act.

1004
00:49:49,213 --> 00:49:51,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think. I think it's really odd

1005
00:49:52,173 --> 00:49:56,453
Speaker 2: when people say this is a this is an archaic thing.

1006
00:49:56,613 --> 00:49:58,893
Speaker 2: Not everyone supports it, but why can't you have a

1007
00:49:58,933 --> 00:50:04,533
Speaker 2: holiday that you don't necessarily support And it's not support,

1008
00:50:04,853 --> 00:50:07,692
Speaker 2: but you could. You may not be Christian, but why

1009
00:50:07,733 --> 00:50:10,613
Speaker 2: wouldn't you be happy that Christians have a day that

1010
00:50:10,693 --> 00:50:12,693
Speaker 2: they celebrate and you can have you.

1011
00:50:12,733 --> 00:50:15,573
Speaker 13: Can have valbrating it. The question is if you go

1012
00:50:15,733 --> 00:50:18,213
Speaker 13: to the States. My my wife works with a very

1013
00:50:18,293 --> 00:50:22,493
Speaker 13: big overseas American company. They no longer have Merry Christmas,

1014
00:50:22,853 --> 00:50:27,613
Speaker 13: they no longer celebrate Christmas. Within their correspondence, it's happy Holidays.

1015
00:50:28,053 --> 00:50:29,333
Speaker 9: That that move.

1016
00:50:29,653 --> 00:50:32,933
Speaker 2: That's that's a really weird that's that's a really weird thing.

1017
00:50:33,013 --> 00:50:34,613
Speaker 2: We were going to talk about this as well, because

1018
00:50:34,693 --> 00:50:37,053
Speaker 2: people are We were talking to someone at work and said,

1019
00:50:37,173 --> 00:50:40,133
Speaker 2: am I supposed to say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays?

1020
00:50:40,693 --> 00:50:43,613
Speaker 2: And I was, what does it matter? Because I don't

1021
00:50:43,733 --> 00:50:47,333
Speaker 2: feel I don't feel like just the Yeah. But what

1022
00:50:47,493 --> 00:50:51,733
Speaker 2: I'm saying is that say someone says to me happy Duali,

1023
00:50:52,333 --> 00:50:52,692
Speaker 2: I don't.

1024
00:50:53,013 --> 00:50:54,773
Speaker 3: You're not going to get offended by no, no, no.

1025
00:50:55,093 --> 00:50:58,293
Speaker 2: So the idea that something celebration, Yeah, but the idea

1026
00:50:58,333 --> 00:51:00,813
Speaker 2: that someone get offended because you said Merry Christmas to

1027
00:51:00,893 --> 00:51:03,733
Speaker 2: them is insane. You can you can say Merry Christmas

1028
00:51:03,933 --> 00:51:07,772
Speaker 2: to them and they don't celebrate it, and I cannot

1029
00:51:07,853 --> 00:51:09,373
Speaker 2: understand who someone could take offense to that.

1030
00:51:09,573 --> 00:51:10,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, but my.

1031
00:51:10,693 --> 00:51:13,893
Speaker 13: Argument against Christianity, that's why.

1032
00:51:14,013 --> 00:51:16,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, But my argument was never anti religious. It wasn't

1033
00:51:16,613 --> 00:51:19,213
Speaker 3: because this is a Christian holiday. I've got a lot

1034
00:51:19,253 --> 00:51:21,653
Speaker 3: of respect for those who have faith, whatever that religion

1035
00:51:21,693 --> 00:51:24,453
Speaker 3: may be. But my my argument was around the free

1036
00:51:24,533 --> 00:51:26,773
Speaker 3: market argument. But I get your point, George, and I.

1037
00:51:26,893 --> 00:51:31,293
Speaker 13: Discussion of course, yeah, because you understand the concept. But

1038
00:51:31,573 --> 00:51:35,733
Speaker 13: there is an element now pushing to remove Christianity out

1039
00:51:35,773 --> 00:51:40,093
Speaker 13: of society. Even your date ad e BCE. It is

1040
00:51:40,173 --> 00:51:43,733
Speaker 13: all designed to remove Christiananity out of the date system.

1041
00:51:43,893 --> 00:51:44,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't.

1042
00:51:44,893 --> 00:51:45,172
Speaker 9: I don't.

1043
00:51:45,413 --> 00:51:47,613
Speaker 2: I don't get that, George. I don't see because because

1044
00:51:48,413 --> 00:51:51,573
Speaker 2: everything goes to everything's based on something, is based on something.

1045
00:51:51,693 --> 00:51:54,093
Speaker 2: So I find that a very strange thing as well. George. Hey,

1046
00:51:54,173 --> 00:51:55,853
Speaker 2: but merry Christmas, George, and.

1047
00:51:55,893 --> 00:51:58,613
Speaker 13: Thank you so much for your call, and merry Christmas

1048
00:51:58,693 --> 00:51:59,013
Speaker 13: you guys.

1049
00:52:00,413 --> 00:52:03,853
Speaker 2: I think his point there, George, which is pretty pretty

1050
00:52:04,733 --> 00:52:06,933
Speaker 2: you know, cuts to the chase. Why don't we just

1051
00:52:07,053 --> 00:52:09,413
Speaker 2: allocate the stats? If this is how people are happy

1052
00:52:09,453 --> 00:52:12,773
Speaker 2: with that, and they don't want people to have shared holidays,

1053
00:52:13,173 --> 00:52:15,933
Speaker 2: then why don't they just allegate that, allocate the stats

1054
00:52:15,973 --> 00:52:18,933
Speaker 2: holidays and you just have four weeks plus?

1055
00:52:19,133 --> 00:52:19,253
Speaker 9: Is it?

1056
00:52:19,373 --> 00:52:20,133
Speaker 2: If we got twelve with.

1057
00:52:20,133 --> 00:52:22,733
Speaker 3: Twelve days, twelve days, maybe thirteen with matariki ba.

1058
00:52:22,813 --> 00:52:25,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you take them whenever.

1059
00:52:25,413 --> 00:52:26,213
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that?

1060
00:52:26,293 --> 00:52:27,292
Speaker 16: I was trying to feel.

1061
00:52:27,333 --> 00:52:29,653
Speaker 2: I feel like that would rip the heart out of society.

1062
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:32,493
Speaker 2: If we weren't all ending the year for Christmas right

1063
00:52:32,573 --> 00:52:34,813
Speaker 2: now and we were going this is our break and

1064
00:52:34,893 --> 00:52:36,173
Speaker 2: we go on our break and all that kind of

1065
00:52:36,173 --> 00:52:37,652
Speaker 2: stuff and all the talk about that in the end

1066
00:52:37,693 --> 00:52:40,253
Speaker 2: of the year. If that didn't happen and people were

1067
00:52:40,253 --> 00:52:42,253
Speaker 2: doing at all different times, then I just think that

1068
00:52:42,453 --> 00:52:44,693
Speaker 2: we would really lose something as a society.

1069
00:52:44,893 --> 00:52:46,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to ever think about how I feel

1070
00:52:46,613 --> 00:52:48,613
Speaker 3: about that. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1071
00:52:48,693 --> 00:52:50,973
Speaker 3: number to goo. It is nineteen past two. Back in

1072
00:52:51,013 --> 00:52:51,253
Speaker 3: the moth.

1073
00:52:53,093 --> 00:52:56,653
Speaker 1: You're on new home of Afternoon Talk and Taylor Adams

1074
00:52:56,773 --> 00:53:00,212
Speaker 1: Afternoon Call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

1075
00:53:00,333 --> 00:53:04,493
Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoon. It's twenty two past two, Pete,

1076
00:53:04,573 --> 00:53:05,533
Speaker 3: how are you this afternoon?

1077
00:53:06,893 --> 00:53:09,973
Speaker 8: James and Tyler? Yeah, I agree, Pugh Tyler, We're going

1078
00:53:10,053 --> 00:53:10,733
Speaker 8: to get moved on.

1079
00:53:10,893 --> 00:53:12,812
Speaker 2: I've got to stop your Peter. I've got to stop

1080
00:53:12,853 --> 00:53:16,373
Speaker 2: your Peter. I'm not my name's My name's Matt, not James,

1081
00:53:18,813 --> 00:53:21,093
Speaker 2: not that it matters, but just just so we start

1082
00:53:21,133 --> 00:53:22,732
Speaker 2: off on a on the right foot.

1083
00:53:23,333 --> 00:53:25,253
Speaker 8: You go, Peter, they would want to be for the

1084
00:53:25,333 --> 00:53:27,493
Speaker 8: New Years and Christmas and then as well, okay.

1085
00:53:27,333 --> 00:53:28,933
Speaker 2: Yeah you yeah, and bless blease.

1086
00:53:29,093 --> 00:53:31,253
Speaker 8: Yeah, so hope you ever have a good Christians and

1087
00:53:31,293 --> 00:53:34,373
Speaker 8: all that. But far as I'm concerned is that we're

1088
00:53:34,413 --> 00:53:36,413
Speaker 8: going to move on from you know, we're stuck in

1089
00:53:36,493 --> 00:53:39,573
Speaker 8: our ways for so many years. And finally, if you

1090
00:53:39,653 --> 00:53:41,973
Speaker 8: don't go to anym one board and born and bred

1091
00:53:42,053 --> 00:53:45,493
Speaker 8: Catholic and people were if you want to go, do

1092
00:53:45,533 --> 00:53:46,893
Speaker 8: you want to stay at home? Good on you, but

1093
00:53:47,013 --> 00:53:49,772
Speaker 8: don't force it. On any everybody if they wanted. People

1094
00:53:49,773 --> 00:53:51,773
Speaker 8: want to go to the shops, but just want to

1095
00:53:52,093 --> 00:53:54,053
Speaker 8: keep their doors open, and they got works. They want

1096
00:53:54,093 --> 00:53:55,933
Speaker 8: to come to work long as the employees are forcing

1097
00:53:55,933 --> 00:53:58,453
Speaker 8: them to come to work. In the contract, I reckon

1098
00:53:58,893 --> 00:54:00,973
Speaker 8: let the shops open. It's a long weekend. You get

1099
00:54:00,973 --> 00:54:03,093
Speaker 8: a lot of people that are still in the country

1100
00:54:03,373 --> 00:54:05,853
Speaker 8: at that time. There's still reasonably warm, so they want

1101
00:54:05,893 --> 00:54:07,293
Speaker 8: to get it. Don't want to be stuck in your

1102
00:54:07,373 --> 00:54:10,493
Speaker 8: hotel during your fingernails, do you? And when you travel

1103
00:54:10,533 --> 00:54:13,013
Speaker 8: you want to do things, so woden, wouldn't you know?

1104
00:54:14,053 --> 00:54:16,373
Speaker 8: You want to get this country going and spending money

1105
00:54:16,413 --> 00:54:18,453
Speaker 8: and making money, and they seem to be want to

1106
00:54:18,453 --> 00:54:20,173
Speaker 8: stop it. And I don't understand you.

1107
00:54:20,693 --> 00:54:24,013
Speaker 2: Do you see my point? Pete though? And I absolutely

1108
00:54:24,053 --> 00:54:25,653
Speaker 2: see what you're saying there, and there's a lot of

1109
00:54:25,693 --> 00:54:28,133
Speaker 2: logic in it. But I just worry when we lose

1110
00:54:28,253 --> 00:54:31,573
Speaker 2: these days. And there's something about knowing that most of

1111
00:54:31,653 --> 00:54:33,733
Speaker 2: the country is going to be off that has a

1112
00:54:35,213 --> 00:54:38,013
Speaker 2: good effect, in my opinion, across society because you know

1113
00:54:38,653 --> 00:54:41,613
Speaker 2: that family members are more likely to be available on

1114
00:54:41,693 --> 00:54:46,173
Speaker 2: that day. And there's just a thing, like a societal

1115
00:54:46,253 --> 00:54:48,373
Speaker 2: thing we we're all going up to holiday like Christmas now,

1116
00:54:48,413 --> 00:54:50,693
Speaker 2: we're all going it's the Christmas break, and we do

1117
00:54:50,813 --> 00:54:54,293
Speaker 2: that as a country and a society, and there's something

1118
00:54:54,333 --> 00:54:56,813
Speaker 2: about that, those communal activities that we can have a

1119
00:54:56,893 --> 00:54:59,813
Speaker 2: shared experience across the country. And when we lose this

1120
00:55:00,533 --> 00:55:06,293
Speaker 2: and Good Friday is just open, irrespective of Christianity and

1121
00:55:06,453 --> 00:55:10,692
Speaker 2: irrespective of how you how you celebrate it, just having

1122
00:55:10,733 --> 00:55:13,893
Speaker 2: these shared experiences as a country. Can you see that

1123
00:55:14,533 --> 00:55:16,453
Speaker 2: what I'm saying there, that there's a benefit for that.

1124
00:55:16,573 --> 00:55:18,333
Speaker 2: And when it goes, it's gone forever.

1125
00:55:20,333 --> 00:55:23,453
Speaker 8: No, it's not already gone forever, because it's your choice.

1126
00:55:23,493 --> 00:55:25,493
Speaker 8: If you want to still carry on what we've been

1127
00:55:25,573 --> 00:55:27,093
Speaker 8: doing for years, you can still have you a long

1128
00:55:27,173 --> 00:55:27,773
Speaker 8: weekend off.

1129
00:55:28,213 --> 00:55:30,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what I'm saying, but I'm saying is that

1130
00:55:30,213 --> 00:55:32,293
Speaker 2: if we take it to the ultimate conclusion and it's

1131
00:55:32,533 --> 00:55:38,292
Speaker 2: and it's as Peter was saying before, was it Peter George, Sorry,

1132
00:55:38,373 --> 00:55:41,293
Speaker 2: George George was saying before that we just give people

1133
00:55:41,733 --> 00:55:44,013
Speaker 2: their four weeks holidays and then their stats as well,

1134
00:55:44,053 --> 00:55:45,893
Speaker 2: and you can take the stats wherever. So actually you

1135
00:55:46,093 --> 00:55:49,172
Speaker 2: just assigned whatever it is six weeks holiday of a year.

1136
00:55:49,893 --> 00:55:53,732
Speaker 2: Then then we wouldn't have Christmas together as a nation,

1137
00:55:54,053 --> 00:55:58,013
Speaker 2: and we wouldn't have these breaks together. I feel like

1138
00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:00,253
Speaker 2: that we would lose something as a nation if that

1139
00:56:00,413 --> 00:56:03,253
Speaker 2: was the case, because we're not doing it. At the

1140
00:56:03,293 --> 00:56:06,333
Speaker 2: same time, we're not having these shared experiences, and we

1141
00:56:06,493 --> 00:56:10,093
Speaker 2: have less and less of these experiences as a as

1142
00:56:10,133 --> 00:56:12,453
Speaker 2: a nation now as what we look at and what

1143
00:56:12,573 --> 00:56:16,253
Speaker 2: we follow and and how we work and stuff is

1144
00:56:16,293 --> 00:56:18,093
Speaker 2: so disparate. Can you can you kind of see what

1145
00:56:18,133 --> 00:56:19,573
Speaker 2: I'm saying there, Pete.

1146
00:56:20,813 --> 00:56:23,733
Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, it's all I'll do. But I still reckon

1147
00:56:23,813 --> 00:56:25,653
Speaker 8: that Christmas, we've got to have Christmas Day. Oh, I

1148
00:56:25,733 --> 00:56:29,053
Speaker 8: totally agree that you have angs that day. Business can't

1149
00:56:29,093 --> 00:56:30,093
Speaker 8: be open for the half a day.

1150
00:56:30,133 --> 00:56:30,373
Speaker 13: That's it.

1151
00:56:30,853 --> 00:56:32,893
Speaker 8: That's a matter of respect for the people that fought

1152
00:56:32,933 --> 00:56:35,213
Speaker 8: for us, and we would be in a different situation

1153
00:56:35,293 --> 00:56:36,653
Speaker 8: in the world now it wasn't for the feel that

1154
00:56:36,773 --> 00:56:40,253
Speaker 8: fought for us. But I don't to repeat myself, but

1155
00:56:40,333 --> 00:56:42,293
Speaker 8: I reckon, we've got to move on. You know, it's

1156
00:56:42,333 --> 00:56:45,453
Speaker 8: your choice. There's a lot of people say we said

1157
00:56:45,453 --> 00:56:49,613
Speaker 8: before traveling around the country there and as long as

1158
00:56:49,653 --> 00:56:52,853
Speaker 8: the employers are pushing, the works have to be there

1159
00:56:53,013 --> 00:56:57,413
Speaker 8: and everybody's happy for what they're doing, and it's I reckon,

1160
00:56:57,493 --> 00:57:00,652
Speaker 8: it's it's your choice of the business or workers. If

1161
00:57:00,653 --> 00:57:02,213
Speaker 8: they want to do what they want to do, I'll

1162
00:57:02,293 --> 00:57:02,853
Speaker 8: let it happen.

1163
00:57:03,133 --> 00:57:05,212
Speaker 3: Oh well, okay, thank you so much for your call, Pete,

1164
00:57:05,213 --> 00:57:07,333
Speaker 3: and Merry Christmas to you. Yeah, Merry Christmas, Pete. O

1165
00:57:07,373 --> 00:57:10,053
Speaker 3: eight one hundred and eighty two is the number to call.

1166
00:57:10,133 --> 00:57:11,732
Speaker 3: It is twenty six past two.

1167
00:57:16,733 --> 00:57:18,893
Speaker 4: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons.

1168
00:57:19,053 --> 00:57:22,093
Speaker 1: Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on News TALKSB

1169
00:57:23,253 --> 00:57:23,933
Speaker 1: News Talks HEB.

1170
00:57:24,093 --> 00:57:27,773
Speaker 2: Hello, Yeah, so we're talking about the repeal of Good

1171
00:57:27,813 --> 00:57:31,173
Speaker 2: Friday and Easter Sundays, restricted trading days, shopping trading and

1172
00:57:31,213 --> 00:57:33,533
Speaker 2: sale of alcohol. I meant it bill didn't go through today,

1173
00:57:33,573 --> 00:57:36,173
Speaker 2: but got more votes in Parliament than it did the

1174
00:57:36,213 --> 00:57:38,053
Speaker 2: last time it went through, so next time it'll probably

1175
00:57:38,093 --> 00:57:41,413
Speaker 2: go through. And look, there there's a lot of anger

1176
00:57:41,493 --> 00:57:45,533
Speaker 2: about this issue. Here this texture text from Kate here.

1177
00:57:45,933 --> 00:57:47,853
Speaker 2: Perhaps you wouldn't have so many road desks if you

1178
00:57:47,933 --> 00:57:51,133
Speaker 2: didn't close down this already unproductive country.

1179
00:57:51,493 --> 00:57:55,973
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, me interesting analogy. Yeah, I don't know if

1180
00:57:56,013 --> 00:57:58,093
Speaker 3: I can. Yeah, well, I mean it's interesting.

1181
00:57:58,133 --> 00:58:00,733
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean you could argue we have absolutely

1182
00:58:00,813 --> 00:58:03,053
Speaker 2: no holidays, would that make us more productive or not?

1183
00:58:03,253 --> 00:58:06,013
Speaker 2: I think I think people need some holidays to be productive.

1184
00:58:06,093 --> 00:58:06,293
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1185
00:58:06,293 --> 00:58:08,213
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I love my holidays. Don't get me wrong.

1186
00:58:08,453 --> 00:58:10,733
Speaker 2: I think people get burnout. And you know, I know

1187
00:58:10,773 --> 00:58:12,893
Speaker 2: when I come back from a holiday, I get really productive.

1188
00:58:12,973 --> 00:58:15,133
Speaker 2: So I don't know, Kate, if we have no holidays

1189
00:58:15,173 --> 00:58:18,533
Speaker 2: at all, I think you might have a product productivity drop.

1190
00:58:18,333 --> 00:58:21,453
Speaker 3: Off absolutely well. The amount to burn up we're getting now,

1191
00:58:21,573 --> 00:58:24,333
Speaker 3: and the studies are out there that people in New

1192
00:58:24,453 --> 00:58:26,653
Speaker 3: Zealand who said that they had face burnout in the

1193
00:58:26,733 --> 00:58:28,573
Speaker 3: last couple of years. It's a real thing. So then

1194
00:58:28,613 --> 00:58:30,813
Speaker 3: you take all their holidays away and say no more Christmas.

1195
00:58:30,973 --> 00:58:33,933
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure so whether that road road toll

1196
00:58:34,013 --> 00:58:35,653
Speaker 2: thing would work either, because I think we just have

1197
00:58:35,733 --> 00:58:37,293
Speaker 2: a lot of people on the road at the same time,

1198
00:58:37,333 --> 00:58:38,933
Speaker 2: so there's a certain amount of road tolls. But if

1199
00:58:38,973 --> 00:58:41,173
Speaker 2: we had the thing where we didn't have holidays at

1200
00:58:41,213 --> 00:58:44,333
Speaker 2: the same time, I think you would have just as

1201
00:58:44,373 --> 00:58:46,133
Speaker 2: many people out on the roads at different times, and

1202
00:58:46,213 --> 00:58:49,053
Speaker 2: you'd have just as many accidents. And if anything, when

1203
00:58:49,093 --> 00:58:51,813
Speaker 2: the road especially in the North Island, are crammed, you

1204
00:58:51,893 --> 00:58:54,013
Speaker 2: might actually have less accidents because people are out. But

1205
00:58:54,053 --> 00:58:55,573
Speaker 2: I don't know for sure, but I think if you

1206
00:58:55,693 --> 00:58:56,693
Speaker 2: text Kate, appreciate it.

1207
00:58:56,933 --> 00:58:58,493
Speaker 3: Bob, how are you this afternoon?

1208
00:59:00,053 --> 00:59:04,493
Speaker 6: Oh wonderful, Thank you very much listening to your conversation.

1209
00:59:04,773 --> 00:59:08,653
Speaker 6: There not yourself or I don't know one of you

1210
00:59:08,973 --> 00:59:12,293
Speaker 6: one or the other. You keep referring to when you

1211
00:59:12,413 --> 00:59:14,253
Speaker 6: go to the office and you do this and you

1212
00:59:14,373 --> 00:59:18,213
Speaker 6: do that. You know, there's only a pretty small percentage

1213
00:59:18,613 --> 00:59:22,373
Speaker 6: of the New Zealand population go to the office every day.

1214
00:59:24,333 --> 00:59:28,453
Speaker 6: Most of the post parents are the people who are working,

1215
00:59:28,613 --> 00:59:31,173
Speaker 6: even if they're off parents. A lot of us have

1216
00:59:31,333 --> 00:59:33,933
Speaker 6: to hold down two jobs a day, certainly, and a

1217
00:59:34,013 --> 00:59:39,293
Speaker 6: lot of us have to have our life and working

1218
00:59:39,573 --> 00:59:40,053
Speaker 6: as well.

1219
00:59:40,333 --> 00:59:42,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, so perhaps it was me more, but I just

1220
00:59:42,133 --> 00:59:46,013
Speaker 3: need to clarify. So you are in favor of these

1221
00:59:46,613 --> 00:59:49,533
Speaker 3: the good Friday and the Easter Sunday remaining clothes for

1222
00:59:49,613 --> 00:59:52,093
Speaker 3: most businesses. That's important for people to get a break.

1223
00:59:53,493 --> 00:59:57,293
Speaker 6: Negative on the office. Everybody should be allowed to do

1224
00:59:57,453 --> 01:00:01,133
Speaker 6: what they like. Yeah, And I think the way to

1225
01:00:01,293 --> 01:00:05,853
Speaker 6: achieve that is to get these damned politicians and these

1226
01:00:06,013 --> 01:00:13,093
Speaker 6: religious thematics out of the system. People lived without being

1227
01:00:13,213 --> 01:00:16,933
Speaker 6: dictated to and said, this is what we are going

1228
01:00:17,053 --> 01:00:17,973
Speaker 6: to let you do.

1229
01:00:18,653 --> 01:00:23,853
Speaker 2: So would you support Bob the idea that you have.

1230
01:00:24,933 --> 01:00:28,053
Speaker 2: As George suggested before, he was just floating the idea

1231
01:00:28,173 --> 01:00:32,053
Speaker 2: that you just have your four weeks holiday and added

1232
01:00:32,093 --> 01:00:34,733
Speaker 2: to that, we just have we are currently stat holidays,

1233
01:00:35,333 --> 01:00:38,733
Speaker 2: which would make it to about six weeks legislated holidays,

1234
01:00:38,813 --> 01:00:42,333
Speaker 2: and people take them whenever they want. And Christmas isn't

1235
01:00:42,373 --> 01:00:43,533
Speaker 2: any different from any other day.

1236
01:00:45,693 --> 01:00:47,733
Speaker 6: Exactly. If you want to get in your car and

1237
01:00:47,853 --> 01:00:49,733
Speaker 6: drive all over New your zealand.

1238
01:00:49,773 --> 01:00:50,333
Speaker 13: Go for it.

1239
01:00:50,733 --> 01:00:53,453
Speaker 2: What about it? What about what about Anzac Day?

1240
01:00:55,413 --> 01:00:56,053
Speaker 6: The same thing?

1241
01:00:56,693 --> 01:00:57,373
Speaker 2: So excellent.

1242
01:00:59,973 --> 01:01:05,693
Speaker 6: Anzac Day is long gone and overdue. I appreciate what

1243
01:01:05,893 --> 01:01:08,893
Speaker 6: happened during the war, my father was in it. But

1244
01:01:09,613 --> 01:01:13,413
Speaker 6: it's time to move on and get this country back

1245
01:01:13,493 --> 01:01:18,253
Speaker 6: on its feet. It's on its knees right now. Yeah, yeah, But.

1246
01:01:19,733 --> 01:01:22,413
Speaker 2: Anzac Day. Isn't it just about how long ago it was.

1247
01:01:22,573 --> 01:01:24,933
Speaker 2: It's that it could happen again at any time, And

1248
01:01:25,053 --> 01:01:27,493
Speaker 2: so it's a way for us to be aware of

1249
01:01:28,053 --> 01:01:29,773
Speaker 2: the terrible things that can happen in the world and

1250
01:01:29,813 --> 01:01:33,613
Speaker 2: the terrible sacrifice that had to be made for the

1251
01:01:33,933 --> 01:01:36,893
Speaker 2: good of our nation and the good of a lot

1252
01:01:36,933 --> 01:01:40,533
Speaker 2: of other nations, and the idea that that couldn't happen again,

1253
01:01:40,573 --> 01:01:42,213
Speaker 2: and we can just forget about the idea of war.

1254
01:01:42,573 --> 01:01:44,133
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you on that one, Bob.

1255
01:01:45,653 --> 01:01:48,133
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not trying to say forget about war. I'm

1256
01:01:48,173 --> 01:01:50,333
Speaker 6: maybe one years old. I've seen a few of them

1257
01:01:50,813 --> 01:01:53,413
Speaker 6: and the people that have been involved in them. But

1258
01:01:54,213 --> 01:01:58,813
Speaker 6: to keep on dragging out the agony Anzac Day, you

1259
01:01:58,933 --> 01:02:02,373
Speaker 6: can't do this, Christmas Day, you can't do that Easter Day.

1260
01:02:03,253 --> 01:02:07,533
Speaker 6: The politicians had got far, far too much control over

1261
01:02:07,613 --> 01:02:08,933
Speaker 6: the way we look that line.

1262
01:02:10,213 --> 01:02:13,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, well again, I mean Christmas and East Ago a

1263
01:02:13,173 --> 01:02:16,253
Speaker 2: long time before any of the current political system that

1264
01:02:16,333 --> 01:02:17,533
Speaker 2: we've got going on here.

1265
01:02:19,013 --> 01:02:21,893
Speaker 6: That's correct. The other ones that are involved in that,

1266
01:02:22,533 --> 01:02:26,933
Speaker 6: of all the religious somatic people, if you eliminate those

1267
01:02:26,973 --> 01:02:29,573
Speaker 6: for them, the world would be a very healthy place.

1268
01:02:30,573 --> 01:02:33,893
Speaker 3: Just on and look, I've been arguing your side of

1269
01:02:33,933 --> 01:02:37,373
Speaker 3: the argument somewhat, Bob, But just on the idea of workers'

1270
01:02:37,453 --> 01:02:40,893
Speaker 3: rights and we start to take more of these holidays away, surely.

1271
01:02:41,013 --> 01:02:42,773
Speaker 3: I mean you said you're eighty one years old. You've

1272
01:02:42,813 --> 01:02:46,493
Speaker 3: been around to see some pretty significant changes in labor laws,

1273
01:02:46,853 --> 01:02:49,013
Speaker 3: some for good, some for bad for workers. Is that

1274
01:02:49,093 --> 01:02:53,013
Speaker 3: a fair argument that there are elements of working life

1275
01:02:53,053 --> 01:02:55,213
Speaker 3: that need to be protected for the average joe.

1276
01:02:57,733 --> 01:03:04,053
Speaker 6: Very definitely. But let people negotiate their terms of employment. Yeah,

1277
01:03:04,333 --> 01:03:07,693
Speaker 6: talk to the boy who's paying your salary. This is

1278
01:03:07,733 --> 01:03:10,173
Speaker 6: what I'd like to do. Map that out in front

1279
01:03:10,213 --> 01:03:13,333
Speaker 6: of you. I know everybody can't do that, and you

1280
01:03:13,413 --> 01:03:17,053
Speaker 6: can have the legislation that does allow that. It will

1281
01:03:17,093 --> 01:03:20,293
Speaker 6: allow people to make their own decision.

1282
01:03:20,973 --> 01:03:23,133
Speaker 2: Well, hey, thank you so much for you call. Bob, yep,

1283
01:03:23,213 --> 01:03:25,533
Speaker 2: thank you, and I've got a text here on nine

1284
01:03:25,573 --> 01:03:28,173
Speaker 2: two nine two. That's I think in the same sort

1285
01:03:28,213 --> 01:03:33,293
Speaker 2: of ballparkers Bob and George, the guy George before stole

1286
01:03:33,373 --> 01:03:36,813
Speaker 2: my call regarding getting rid of stat days, I'm totally agreement.

1287
01:03:37,213 --> 01:03:39,053
Speaker 2: Just give everyone forty two days. We live in a

1288
01:03:39,093 --> 01:03:42,973
Speaker 2: secular society these days. The problem is stats irrelevant. Let

1289
01:03:43,093 --> 01:03:48,693
Speaker 2: Muslim celebrate Ramada, Indians, Duali, Christians, Christmas and Easter Jews

1290
01:03:48,733 --> 01:03:52,693
Speaker 2: haneker mari matariki. Let people work forty two four week,

1291
01:03:52,893 --> 01:03:57,493
Speaker 2: four day weeks through the year, and traffic is terrible.

1292
01:03:57,813 --> 01:04:00,133
Speaker 2: And four thousand texts just came through in that text.

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01:04:00,253 --> 01:04:01,773
Speaker 2: Jump to the Battle of the page but yeah, so

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01:04:01,813 --> 01:04:03,373
Speaker 2: you get the point of that person's trying.

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01:04:03,173 --> 01:04:05,133
Speaker 3: To say, yeah, and I'm going to be hoisted by

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Speaker 3: my own petad here. But the idea of just having

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01:04:07,693 --> 01:04:11,293
Speaker 3: twelve random days put on your annual leave is that

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01:04:11,453 --> 01:04:13,413
Speaker 3: then you've got to negotiate with your boss to take

1299
01:04:13,453 --> 01:04:15,773
Speaker 3: that annual leaf. The good thing about something like Good

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01:04:15,813 --> 01:04:19,973
Speaker 3: Friday and Easter Sunday is that you don't ordinarily have

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Speaker 3: to negotiate that leave.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe people want to throw out the Christmas holidays, Like,

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01:04:25,053 --> 01:04:26,893
Speaker 2: isn't it great that most of us are coming to

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01:04:26,973 --> 01:04:28,173
Speaker 2: the end of the year and we're all going to

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01:04:28,213 --> 01:04:30,173
Speaker 2: have this communal thing where we go out and we

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01:04:30,253 --> 01:04:31,813
Speaker 2: know our family is going to be available, and we

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01:04:31,893 --> 01:04:36,333
Speaker 2: may go camping we have. I can't believe that people

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01:04:36,373 --> 01:04:39,973
Speaker 2: would want to get rid of the entire shared experience

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01:04:40,053 --> 01:04:43,333
Speaker 2: of Christmas holiday. Although I'm getting a lot of I'm

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01:04:43,373 --> 01:04:45,653
Speaker 2: getting a lot of kickback from people saying what happened

1311
01:04:45,653 --> 01:04:47,693
Speaker 2: to you, Matt? You used to be an anarchist. Now

1312
01:04:47,773 --> 01:04:51,013
Speaker 2: you sound like a Hallmark Christmas card with your sentimentality.

1313
01:04:51,253 --> 01:04:53,373
Speaker 2: And yet look, I'm a total sellout, and my twenty

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01:04:53,413 --> 01:04:56,213
Speaker 2: five year old south would would think I think there was.

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Speaker 3: Something wrong with me, but that's Christmas. It's made me

1316
01:04:58,533 --> 01:05:00,933
Speaker 3: soft and I love Christmas. We're going to pick this

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01:05:01,053 --> 01:05:03,013
Speaker 3: back up after the headlines. Oh eight hundred and eighty

1318
01:05:03,053 --> 01:05:05,293
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. It's twenty four

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01:05:05,373 --> 01:05:05,733
Speaker 3: to three.

1320
01:05:08,733 --> 01:05:09,173
Speaker 4: Use talk.

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01:05:09,253 --> 01:05:14,133
Speaker 12: Said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble

1322
01:05:14,213 --> 01:05:16,613
Speaker 12: with a blue bubble. The Minister in charge of the

1323
01:05:16,653 --> 01:05:20,173
Speaker 12: Abuse and Care Response says the government's listening to survivors

1324
01:05:20,213 --> 01:05:23,693
Speaker 12: of torture at Lake Alice Hospital and offering choices in

1325
01:05:23,773 --> 01:05:26,533
Speaker 12: their redress. They can choose a quick payment of one

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01:05:26,653 --> 01:05:30,213
Speaker 12: hundred and fifty thousand dollars or apply for an independently

1327
01:05:30,253 --> 01:05:34,213
Speaker 12: assessed amount and will get a written apology and support

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01:05:34,293 --> 01:05:38,293
Speaker 12: and rehabilitation. People are being pulled out of the rubble

1329
01:05:38,453 --> 01:05:42,973
Speaker 12: in Vanuatu after yesterday's deadly earthquake. Port Vela Hospital says

1330
01:05:43,013 --> 01:05:46,053
Speaker 12: it's struggling to cope with patient numbers, but the international

1331
01:05:46,093 --> 01:05:49,253
Speaker 12: airport is open to receive aid flights. New Zealand is

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01:05:49,333 --> 01:05:52,213
Speaker 12: sent a surveillance playing and will also send search and

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01:05:52,333 --> 01:05:57,293
Speaker 12: support teams and supplies. The Civil Aviation Authority is investigating

1334
01:05:57,373 --> 01:06:01,093
Speaker 12: a hot air balloon that plowed through rural fences in

1335
01:06:01,173 --> 01:06:04,413
Speaker 12: a rough landing near Warnica this morning, leaving ten people

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01:06:04,453 --> 01:06:09,533
Speaker 12: with minor injuries. Politicians are voted against knowing easter trading

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01:06:09,813 --> 01:06:13,773
Speaker 12: and a conscience vote seventy four to forty nine. When

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01:06:13,813 --> 01:06:17,933
Speaker 12: did Christmas greetings become offensive? And should we really worry?

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01:06:18,373 --> 01:06:20,573
Speaker 12: You can see the full column from Ryan Bridge at

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Speaker 12: zaid Herald Premium. Now back to matt Ethan Tyner Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, ray Lean. We are talking about

1342
01:06:26,413 --> 01:06:28,693
Speaker 3: the easter trading laws that's been voted down in Parliament,

1343
01:06:28,733 --> 01:06:30,493
Speaker 3: but it's getting closer. Morris, how are you?

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01:06:31,853 --> 01:06:33,933
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm good, yourself very good?

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01:06:34,053 --> 01:06:36,573
Speaker 3: You reckon leave it as it is. You're pretty happy

1346
01:06:36,613 --> 01:06:37,333
Speaker 3: I got voted down.

1347
01:06:38,813 --> 01:06:41,413
Speaker 15: Well, I didn't realize you got vosed down until I

1348
01:06:41,493 --> 01:06:45,013
Speaker 15: heard it on your bulls and there. But so, and

1349
01:06:45,093 --> 01:06:47,933
Speaker 15: I've been listening to you, you know, during the day.

1350
01:06:50,253 --> 01:06:53,413
Speaker 15: So I've heard people say that we need to get

1351
01:06:53,453 --> 01:06:56,653
Speaker 15: out of the recession that we're in and we need

1352
01:06:56,733 --> 01:07:00,053
Speaker 15: to have more money, phones through and everything else. So

1353
01:07:00,853 --> 01:07:06,773
Speaker 15: I say to that, how can three days easter wonder

1354
01:07:06,973 --> 01:07:12,733
Speaker 15: Christmas change our economic climate? But I can't change it

1355
01:07:12,853 --> 01:07:17,053
Speaker 15: because that sort of thing doesn't happen. So who's driving

1356
01:07:17,253 --> 01:07:24,973
Speaker 15: the want for working over Easter and possibly changing Christmas.

1357
01:07:25,013 --> 01:07:28,813
Speaker 15: Who's driving that? Well, we know who's driving it. It's

1358
01:07:28,893 --> 01:07:32,693
Speaker 15: the people that want to make more money and force

1359
01:07:32,893 --> 01:07:39,253
Speaker 15: their star to work over that holiday time. And so

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01:07:40,173 --> 01:07:43,373
Speaker 15: you know, I just I can't understand why people would

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01:07:43,493 --> 01:07:46,453
Speaker 15: want that. And they talk about the religious side of it. Well,

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01:07:46,613 --> 01:07:52,173
Speaker 15: I'm a Christian and I absolutely value those holidays because

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01:07:52,213 --> 01:07:55,333
Speaker 15: of my belief. However, I'm not going to say to

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01:07:56,053 --> 01:07:58,653
Speaker 15: you know, the guy next door, you shouldn't be working,

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01:07:58,773 --> 01:08:01,133
Speaker 15: you should be at church at Easter, or you should

1366
01:08:01,133 --> 01:08:04,333
Speaker 15: be at church at Christmas. Because everybody in this country

1367
01:08:04,533 --> 01:08:08,293
Speaker 15: has a free choice. We can and that's the value

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01:08:08,533 --> 01:08:11,213
Speaker 15: of this country as we have a free choice and

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01:08:11,333 --> 01:08:13,373
Speaker 15: we respect each other's point of view.

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Speaker 3: Sorry you carry on, Maris, No, no, I was going

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01:08:18,133 --> 01:08:18,572
Speaker 3: to say that.

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Speaker 15: You know, we would never get rid of Anzac and

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01:08:24,173 --> 01:08:29,333
Speaker 15: I definitely wouldn't want that because my dad was in

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01:08:29,492 --> 01:08:32,973
Speaker 15: Japan towards the end of the war. My son in

1375
01:08:33,093 --> 01:08:36,452
Speaker 15: law has been in the army as a major and

1376
01:08:36,933 --> 01:08:42,333
Speaker 15: absolutely awesome, awesome job you know recently, So you know,

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01:08:42,572 --> 01:08:48,372
Speaker 15: I've got I've got you know, my my relatives like

1378
01:08:48,532 --> 01:08:51,652
Speaker 15: many people in New Zealand who have actually done the

1379
01:08:51,812 --> 01:08:55,892
Speaker 15: hard yards, been out in the trenches, so to speak,

1380
01:08:56,013 --> 01:08:59,133
Speaker 15: and and so you know it would never get rid

1381
01:08:59,173 --> 01:09:00,293
Speaker 15: of that. Of course we order.

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01:09:00,692 --> 01:09:02,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, nicely said Morris, really nice TV on you have

1383
01:09:03,013 --> 01:09:03,732
Speaker 3: a merry Christmas.

1384
01:09:03,853 --> 01:09:04,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was an extreme opinion.

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01:09:05,692 --> 01:09:06,333
Speaker 15: Thanks so much.

1386
01:09:06,772 --> 01:09:08,933
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you, Maris. Merry Christmas do you? Yeah, that

1387
01:09:09,053 --> 01:09:11,213
Speaker 2: was an extreme opinion from Bob. And I'm just trying

1388
01:09:11,213 --> 01:09:13,412
Speaker 2: to look for there was a text here that. Boy,

1389
01:09:13,412 --> 01:09:15,452
Speaker 2: there's so many texts coming in it's hard to keep

1390
01:09:15,532 --> 01:09:18,292
Speaker 2: up with them. But just pointing out, you know, veterans,

1391
01:09:19,053 --> 01:09:21,692
Speaker 2: you know, from from a lot of wars more recent

1392
01:09:21,853 --> 01:09:26,492
Speaker 2: than you know, World War two, and Enzact Day celebrates that,

1393
01:09:26,933 --> 01:09:29,492
Speaker 2: and I mean the idea of that we should forget

1394
01:09:29,772 --> 01:09:32,692
Speaker 2: as opposed to the less we forget lest we forget hard. Yeah,

1395
01:09:32,853 --> 01:09:35,893
Speaker 2: and look, we never know where the world's going to go,

1396
01:09:36,053 --> 01:09:39,253
Speaker 2: so I think it's important. I mean, there'd be so

1397
01:09:39,333 --> 01:09:41,293
Speaker 2: few people that agree with Bob there, but bless them.

1398
01:09:41,412 --> 01:09:44,172
Speaker 2: But Anzact Day is something that we need to keep celebrating.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think we're as one on that one. It

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01:09:46,372 --> 01:09:49,293
Speaker 3: is seventeen to three back very shortly, oh eight hundred

1401
01:09:49,293 --> 01:09:50,652
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:09:51,772 --> 01:09:52,372
Speaker 2: It's done.

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01:09:52,452 --> 01:09:56,093
Speaker 1: You take on talk bag matt Ethan Tayler Adams afternoons,

1404
01:09:56,293 --> 01:09:58,932
Speaker 1: have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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01:09:59,093 --> 01:09:59,732
Speaker 1: News Talks and.

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01:09:59,853 --> 01:10:04,012
Speaker 3: B it's me every time, Good Afternoon, fourteen to three.

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01:10:04,532 --> 01:10:06,652
Speaker 2: So many texts coming through on nine two ninety two

1408
01:10:06,853 --> 01:10:10,053
Speaker 2: and calls on eight tun eighty ten eighty about this

1409
01:10:10,213 --> 01:10:13,252
Speaker 2: repeal of Good Friday in Easter Sunday as a restricted

1410
01:10:13,293 --> 01:10:16,253
Speaker 2: trading day's shop trading and sale of alcohol amendment bill

1411
01:10:16,333 --> 01:10:18,013
Speaker 2: that didn't go through today, but it will go through

1412
01:10:18,053 --> 01:10:21,452
Speaker 2: at some point. Guys. There was a Bob came through

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01:10:21,492 --> 01:10:24,133
Speaker 2: with an anti ANZAC Day comments and look he was

1414
01:10:24,213 --> 01:10:26,892
Speaker 2: eighty one and he'd experienced a lot to do with Wars.

1415
01:10:26,933 --> 01:10:28,892
Speaker 2: I guess if you're eighty one, you were being born

1416
01:10:29,053 --> 01:10:32,452
Speaker 2: during World War two. Just doing the mess on it. Guys,

1417
01:10:33,013 --> 01:10:35,293
Speaker 2: that guy says no to ANZACs Day is so wrong.

1418
01:10:35,372 --> 01:10:37,492
Speaker 2: I served an East Team or in Afghanistan and lost

1419
01:10:37,532 --> 01:10:40,052
Speaker 2: mates and both those tours, we need to respect ANZAC

1420
01:10:40,133 --> 01:10:43,612
Speaker 2: Days to reflect and commemorate those that have gone before us.

1421
01:10:43,732 --> 01:10:46,093
Speaker 2: Cheers day. So it's an interesting one because we're talking

1422
01:10:46,093 --> 01:10:50,452
Speaker 2: about Easter, but it does lead on onto you know

1423
01:10:50,772 --> 01:10:54,372
Speaker 2: what'll be next Christmas. If you say that there's no

1424
01:10:55,572 --> 01:10:59,333
Speaker 2: everything's free for all on Good Friday, then why not Christmas?

1425
01:10:59,412 --> 01:11:02,013
Speaker 2: So there and look this person here on nineteen nine two.

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01:11:02,053 --> 01:11:04,732
Speaker 2: Get rid of all public holidays and weekends. Everyone just

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01:11:04,853 --> 01:11:07,732
Speaker 2: works four on four off. All businesses have to always

1428
01:11:07,772 --> 01:11:10,532
Speaker 2: remain open and if you want to particular day off,

1429
01:11:10,572 --> 01:11:12,852
Speaker 2: you must swap with someone else who does that role.

1430
01:11:12,933 --> 01:11:16,972
Speaker 2: Productivity and asset utilization of assets will be far better.

1431
01:11:17,093 --> 01:11:19,452
Speaker 2: Those who want to do business will still be able

1432
01:11:19,532 --> 01:11:22,652
Speaker 2: to because it's a nightmare over this period because people

1433
01:11:22,772 --> 01:11:26,173
Speaker 2: are away. Andrew so he's just he's just all go.

1434
01:11:27,612 --> 01:11:34,333
Speaker 2: Anti holidays, no stats, no weekends, just negotiates, just work, work, work,

1435
01:11:34,532 --> 01:11:39,412
Speaker 2: And the anti Christmas rhetoric that's coming through is making

1436
01:11:39,492 --> 01:11:42,812
Speaker 2: me unhappy. Christmas is way overrated. It's out of control.

1437
01:11:43,173 --> 01:11:44,213
Speaker 2: Time to cut it back.

1438
01:11:44,452 --> 01:11:47,852
Speaker 3: Do you can't Christmas back? Just just slice it down

1439
01:11:47,853 --> 01:11:49,372
Speaker 3: a half a day and get back to work. People

1440
01:11:49,412 --> 01:11:51,412
Speaker 3: you don't open your presents, have your turkey, then get

1441
01:11:51,452 --> 01:11:56,812
Speaker 3: back to work. Got back on Christmas. Bambo Branden, how

1442
01:11:56,853 --> 01:11:57,372
Speaker 3: are you mate?

1443
01:11:58,213 --> 01:11:58,372
Speaker 18: Hey?

1444
01:11:58,452 --> 01:11:58,972
Speaker 11: How's it going?

1445
01:11:59,133 --> 01:11:59,333
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:11:59,333 --> 01:12:03,492
Speaker 3: Good? What's your thoughts on Easter trading, on holidays in general.

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01:12:04,572 --> 01:12:07,492
Speaker 11: I see three quick points. The first one is you

1448
01:12:07,692 --> 01:12:11,572
Speaker 11: just mentioned poor and poor off. How does it work

1449
01:12:11,612 --> 01:12:13,772
Speaker 11: if you're in a business and you employ one person

1450
01:12:13,893 --> 01:12:17,412
Speaker 11: to run that business for you four days.

1451
01:12:17,572 --> 01:12:18,412
Speaker 2: That's a very good point.

1452
01:12:18,492 --> 01:12:20,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you found the facehooks already.

1453
01:12:21,853 --> 01:12:27,412
Speaker 11: The second point is if you give everyone holidays instead

1454
01:12:27,412 --> 01:12:30,692
Speaker 11: of stat days, what you'll find is the person talking

1455
01:12:30,692 --> 01:12:34,772
Speaker 11: about the people in malls and the services like retail

1456
01:12:34,853 --> 01:12:38,092
Speaker 11: and that suffering. They will be forced to work because

1457
01:12:39,253 --> 01:12:42,293
Speaker 11: they will be popular days, and the bosses just won't

1458
01:12:42,333 --> 01:12:44,133
Speaker 11: give the time off manual lafe.

1459
01:12:44,412 --> 01:12:44,652
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1460
01:12:45,812 --> 01:12:48,013
Speaker 11: And the third point is going to make is I

1461
01:12:48,173 --> 01:12:52,173
Speaker 11: honestly think if you have a seat day, I think

1462
01:12:53,013 --> 01:12:55,732
Speaker 11: productively almost goes up because if you look at say

1463
01:12:55,893 --> 01:12:59,293
Speaker 11: something like a mall or a supermarket that ever before

1464
01:12:59,333 --> 01:13:04,532
Speaker 11: a seat day, crazy like people panic boy and almost

1465
01:13:04,772 --> 01:13:05,612
Speaker 11: good bye too much.

1466
01:13:06,812 --> 01:13:09,213
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's that's a it's a hugely good

1467
01:13:09,253 --> 01:13:11,772
Speaker 2: point there, Braiden, that I hadn't thought of. So people

1468
01:13:11,812 --> 01:13:14,932
Speaker 2: are saying that getting rid of all these stat holidays

1469
01:13:15,013 --> 01:13:17,213
Speaker 2: and not celebrating Christmas at the same time and stuff

1470
01:13:17,572 --> 01:13:21,173
Speaker 2: would be great for business. But Christmas clearly is very

1471
01:13:21,412 --> 01:13:23,572
Speaker 2: very good for retail I mean famously.

1472
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Speaker 3: So yeah, no, for your point, I think yet, Carol.

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01:13:29,652 --> 01:13:34,692
Speaker 11: I just think that definitely the giving the days getting

1474
01:13:34,732 --> 01:13:38,253
Speaker 11: rid of statdays is cancer intuitive and doesn't make any sense.

1475
01:13:38,612 --> 01:13:40,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thank you so much. We call a

1476
01:13:40,173 --> 01:13:42,812
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas to you, Braiden. This text through on nine

1477
01:13:42,893 --> 01:13:45,333
Speaker 2: two nine two says seems like everyone who's phoned and

1478
01:13:45,412 --> 01:13:48,972
Speaker 2: who is in favor of STAT holidays being removed elderly

1479
01:13:49,013 --> 01:13:51,253
Speaker 2: on twenty eight the STAT days are great. It's awesome

1480
01:13:51,333 --> 01:13:53,892
Speaker 2: knowing everyone's off at the same time. Yeah, And that's

1481
01:13:53,973 --> 01:13:56,412
Speaker 2: kind of my point about it, really, as if that

1482
01:13:56,853 --> 01:13:59,932
Speaker 2: we don't have these days where we know that most

1483
01:13:59,973 --> 01:14:01,652
Speaker 2: people are going to be off, we lose something as

1484
01:14:01,692 --> 01:14:03,972
Speaker 2: a society. And I've said it over and over again

1485
01:14:04,053 --> 01:14:07,732
Speaker 2: because we're not having these shared experiences. And I can't

1486
01:14:07,732 --> 01:14:10,772
Speaker 2: believe people coming Christmas, and I knew this woul happened.

1487
01:14:10,853 --> 01:14:12,972
Speaker 2: They come for Easter and now they're coming for Christmas.

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01:14:13,293 --> 01:14:15,372
Speaker 3: You look at it, and and Bob wants hands day

1489
01:14:15,412 --> 01:14:15,692
Speaker 3: as well.

1490
01:14:15,812 --> 01:14:19,772
Speaker 2: And it doesn't have to be about religion, I mean Christmas.

1491
01:14:19,893 --> 01:14:22,293
Speaker 2: I mean so many people get joy out of Christmas.

1492
01:14:22,372 --> 01:14:25,932
Speaker 2: And it's all present based and family getting together based

1493
01:14:25,973 --> 01:14:28,572
Speaker 2: and delicious food based and tree based and all the

1494
01:14:28,612 --> 01:14:31,133
Speaker 2: other things around Christmas. And if people get together for

1495
01:14:31,253 --> 01:14:35,093
Speaker 2: Christmas in a Christian way, then that is brilliant as well.

1496
01:14:35,213 --> 01:14:36,852
Speaker 2: But the idea that we have this break at the

1497
01:14:36,933 --> 01:14:38,333
Speaker 2: end of the year and everyone's gearing up for it

1498
01:14:38,412 --> 01:14:40,053
Speaker 2: right now, I think is a beautiful thing.

1499
01:14:40,293 --> 01:14:42,572
Speaker 3: And look I've come across. I like the idea that

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01:14:42,812 --> 01:14:44,932
Speaker 3: we have the four day weekend where we can all

1501
01:14:44,973 --> 01:14:47,253
Speaker 3: get together with family and friends. And yes, this all

1502
01:14:47,293 --> 01:14:49,092
Speaker 3: started because I got a bit grummy because I couldn't

1503
01:14:49,133 --> 01:14:50,933
Speaker 3: get the groceries and the booze before we get to

1504
01:14:50,973 --> 01:14:53,572
Speaker 3: the molbra sounds and that was my fault. So look

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Speaker 3: my barometer's shifted on this one and it's been voted down.

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Speaker 3: So Hellelujah, Happy Christmas, Happy Easter. Yeah, happy, you got done.

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Speaker 3: And by the stat holiday absolutists, get rid of all

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Speaker 3: chat after we play some messages, is your opportunity to

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Speaker 4: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons You for twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: News Talks it B. Now is your opportunity to win

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Speaker 3: And generally, mate, I know I've given you a bit

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Speaker 3: of stick on this, but it is a good read,

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Speaker 3: and I've been reading a little bit on worry overnight.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, So Tyler, would you say, look, it's a

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Speaker 2: great Christmas stocking stuffer, or a present for a loved one,

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Speaker 2: or just some great summer reading. Would you say that?

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Speaker 3: Funnily enough, I would, And apparently it is an all

1528
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Speaker 3: good bookstores right now, and it is the perfect Christmas gurth.

1529
01:16:00,612 --> 01:16:03,452
Speaker 3: But generally, I look, as I said to you off here,

1530
01:16:03,652 --> 01:16:05,692
Speaker 3: I can tend to be a bit of a warrior

1531
01:16:05,812 --> 01:16:08,253
Speaker 3: as someone who worries too much, rather than I've noticed,

1532
01:16:08,973 --> 01:16:12,293
Speaker 3: and this year I think a lot of us could

1533
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Speaker 3: be guilty of worrying too much. You know, I'm thinking

1534
01:16:13,933 --> 01:16:17,013
Speaker 3: about interest rates and the economy and Lithian batteries for

1535
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Speaker 3: goodness sake, I may no one should be worrying too

1536
01:16:19,133 --> 01:16:22,173
Speaker 3: much about Lithian batteries. But I read this chapter that

1537
01:16:22,293 --> 01:16:25,333
Speaker 3: you had about being worried, and it put a lot

1538
01:16:25,372 --> 01:16:28,412
Speaker 3: of things into perspective for me, mate. But I mean, look,

1539
01:16:28,572 --> 01:16:30,372
Speaker 3: the thing that it put into perspective for me is

1540
01:16:30,893 --> 01:16:32,732
Speaker 3: you can't change what's happened in the past, and you

1541
01:16:32,853 --> 01:16:35,572
Speaker 3: cannot live in the past. You cannot change what is

1542
01:16:35,612 --> 01:16:37,892
Speaker 3: going to happen in the future. And sometimes what you're

1543
01:16:37,933 --> 01:16:40,333
Speaker 3: worrying about in the future may not come to pass,

1544
01:16:40,532 --> 01:16:42,133
Speaker 3: and if it does come to pass, it might be

1545
01:16:42,213 --> 01:16:43,372
Speaker 3: a blessing in disguise.

1546
01:16:43,532 --> 01:16:45,213
Speaker 2: Well, you can't change what happens in the future, and

1547
01:16:45,293 --> 01:16:47,132
Speaker 2: you can learn from the past, but they're not realms

1548
01:16:47,173 --> 01:16:49,412
Speaker 2: that you live in, Yes, And the only realm you

1549
01:16:49,492 --> 01:16:50,572
Speaker 2: live in right now is the present.

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01:16:50,732 --> 01:16:50,892
Speaker 5: Yep.

1551
01:16:51,013 --> 01:16:53,293
Speaker 3: Absolutely. So here's a little fable that you wrote about

1552
01:16:53,333 --> 01:16:57,052
Speaker 3: that I absolutely loved. It's a Chinese fable about a farmer.

1553
01:16:57,812 --> 01:17:01,412
Speaker 3: So doctor Christopher A. Casaw tells a story on the

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Speaker 3: website World on Fire. You mentioned in the book of

1555
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Speaker 3: farmer and his son labor for a year with their

1556
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Speaker 3: last horse. One day the son leaves the gate open

1557
01:17:07,893 --> 01:17:10,133
Speaker 3: and the horse bolts. A neighbor tells them, you won't

1558
01:17:10,133 --> 01:17:12,253
Speaker 3: be able to maintain your farm. This is terrible. The

1559
01:17:12,333 --> 01:17:15,772
Speaker 3: farmer replies, maybe yes, maybe no. The next morning, the

1560
01:17:15,853 --> 01:17:19,053
Speaker 3: horse returns with six horses, and the neighbor tells the

1561
01:17:19,093 --> 01:17:22,253
Speaker 3: farmer what happiness. You can maintain the farm with two

1562
01:17:22,293 --> 01:17:24,372
Speaker 3: and sell the rest and make a fortune. That is great,

1563
01:17:24,812 --> 01:17:28,213
Speaker 3: And the farmer replies, maybe yes, maybe no. The next day,

1564
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Speaker 3: the farmer's son gets thrown from one of the new

1565
01:17:30,253 --> 01:17:32,572
Speaker 3: horses and breaks his leg. The neighbor says, what a

1566
01:17:32,652 --> 01:17:35,852
Speaker 3: great sadness this is. The farmer replies, maybe yes, maybe no.

1567
01:17:36,293 --> 01:17:38,732
Speaker 3: The next day, the army arrives to conscript all the

1568
01:17:38,812 --> 01:17:40,372
Speaker 3: young men in the area, but they don't take the

1569
01:17:40,452 --> 01:17:43,293
Speaker 3: farmer's son because of his injury. The neighbor says, this

1570
01:17:43,532 --> 01:17:47,013
Speaker 3: is great news, what a blessing. The farmer replies, maybe yes,

1571
01:17:47,293 --> 01:17:50,253
Speaker 3: maybe no. Even if the thing you worry about does

1572
01:17:50,372 --> 01:17:53,173
Speaker 3: come true, you do not know whether ultimately it will

1573
01:17:53,213 --> 01:17:54,852
Speaker 3: turn out to be a good thing or a bad thing.

1574
01:17:54,893 --> 01:17:57,173
Speaker 3: You might be worrying about the very thing that makes

1575
01:17:57,253 --> 01:17:59,732
Speaker 3: life better. Ah, yeah, it is lovely.

1576
01:17:59,893 --> 01:18:02,253
Speaker 2: It's a great fable that one certainly is. Yeah.

1577
01:18:02,412 --> 01:18:04,612
Speaker 3: So if you want to win a copy of Matt's

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Speaker 3: book of Life Less Punishing text Punishing to nine two nine.

1579
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Speaker 2: Yep, we've got two copies to give away.

1580
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Speaker 5: Yep.

1581
01:18:11,412 --> 01:18:15,532
Speaker 3: Absolutely Right after three o'clock, another topic on the table

1582
01:18:15,652 --> 01:18:18,092
Speaker 3: for you. We want to have a chat about shorts

1583
01:18:18,213 --> 01:18:20,893
Speaker 3: in the workplace. Yay or nay? Your big survey in

1584
01:18:20,973 --> 01:18:23,293
Speaker 3: Australia about whether it's professional or not.

1585
01:18:23,452 --> 01:18:25,173
Speaker 2: This is going to be good. Nothing but the big

1586
01:18:25,293 --> 01:18:28,612
Speaker 2: issues on Matt and Tyler Afternoons on ZB exactly. Well,

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Speaker 2: look about a trillion people just text Punishing to nine

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Speaker 2: two nine two blessed, keep them coming, a new sport,

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Speaker 2: the weather or on it's way. You're listening to Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler.

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01:18:35,572 --> 01:19:10,333
Speaker 19: Good afternoon, listens.

1592
01:18:58,173 --> 01:18:59,853
Speaker 4: Talking with you all afternoon.

1593
01:19:00,133 --> 01:19:03,932
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four news Talk ZIBB.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back into the show. Hope having a great afternoon.

1596
01:19:09,492 --> 01:19:11,293
Speaker 3: We certainly asked seven past three.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations to Kate, Jacinta and Mark who all won copies

1598
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Speaker 2: of a Lifeless Punishing thirteen Ways to Love the Life. Yeah,

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01:19:20,812 --> 01:19:23,932
Speaker 2: got a great stocking stuff for all summer read if

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Speaker 2: you ask me. But I would say that because I

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Speaker 2: wrote it available in all.

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Speaker 3: Good bookstores right now, you lucky buggers, and we'll be

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01:19:30,133 --> 01:19:33,213
Speaker 3: giving more copies away tomorrow and Friday as well. Yeah

1604
01:19:33,293 --> 01:19:36,333
Speaker 3: that is right, yep. And just a reminder, we've got

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Speaker 3: the lovely and very very good writer Jude Dobson coming

1606
01:19:40,692 --> 01:19:42,772
Speaker 3: up in about twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Speaking of book giveaways, we're going to

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Speaker 2: give you a copy of her book, The Last Secret

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Speaker 2: Agent My life is a spy behind Nazi lions with

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Speaker 2: the last surviving World War II British spy. That's not

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Speaker 2: the whole name. I've had a description on it as well,

1612
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Speaker 2: and it wasn't Jude Dobson that was the spy behind

1613
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Speaker 2: Nazi lines. Just in case you're wondering, that was Papa Lettur.

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Speaker 2: Incredible story though, fantastic story in there.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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01:20:04,572 --> 01:20:06,772
Speaker 3: So let's have a chat about shorts in the workplace.

1617
01:20:06,853 --> 01:20:09,493
Speaker 3: There's a survey that it's just come out of Australia.

1618
01:20:09,812 --> 01:20:12,892
Speaker 3: Workplans to tire expectations are becoming more formal, with four

1619
01:20:13,572 --> 01:20:17,173
Speaker 3: forty two percent of Australian workers now viewing shorts as

1620
01:20:17,293 --> 01:20:20,652
Speaker 3: unprofessional this is a raw He's from thirty two percent

1621
01:20:20,812 --> 01:20:23,333
Speaker 3: last year, so a rise of ten percent. The shift,

1622
01:20:23,532 --> 01:20:28,533
Speaker 3: the survey takers believe reflects a renewed focus on polished presentation,

1623
01:20:28,933 --> 01:20:33,652
Speaker 3: particularly in client facing roles. However, general differences generational differences

1624
01:20:33,692 --> 01:20:37,212
Speaker 3: play a significant role, so baby boomers are the most critical,

1625
01:20:37,253 --> 01:20:41,052
Speaker 3: with one and two fifty percent deming shorts unprofessional. And contrast,

1626
01:20:41,173 --> 01:20:44,293
Speaker 3: only thirty one percent of gen Z's and millennial workers

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01:20:44,652 --> 01:20:45,452
Speaker 3: share this view.

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01:20:45,692 --> 01:20:48,333
Speaker 2: I assume it's pretty similar over here in New Zealand.

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01:20:48,372 --> 01:20:50,612
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously if you work on site, then you're

1630
01:20:50,612 --> 01:20:52,333
Speaker 2: going to have to wear shorts, aren't you. You're a

1631
01:20:52,412 --> 01:20:55,253
Speaker 2: landscaper or a builder. Yeah, your dad's an electrician. Does

1632
01:20:55,293 --> 01:20:56,013
Speaker 2: he wear shorts to work?

1633
01:20:57,173 --> 01:20:57,253
Speaker 19: Oh?

1634
01:20:57,293 --> 01:20:59,133
Speaker 3: He kind of mixed it up. No, Actually he wasn't

1635
01:20:59,173 --> 01:20:59,892
Speaker 3: much of a shorts man.

1636
01:21:00,013 --> 01:21:00,173
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1637
01:21:00,213 --> 01:21:03,253
Speaker 2: Alexisians don't wear shorts as much as the other trades do.

1638
01:21:03,333 --> 01:21:05,253
Speaker 3: They they like to look professional, but also they're up

1639
01:21:05,293 --> 01:21:06,892
Speaker 3: in the roof and those pink bats and you don't

1640
01:21:06,893 --> 01:21:08,372
Speaker 3: want to get that pink pant on on your.

1641
01:21:08,452 --> 01:21:11,532
Speaker 2: I mean there is zero kid around shorts on sites,

1642
01:21:11,853 --> 01:21:15,052
Speaker 2: like you know, if you're wearing a really tight small

1643
01:21:15,093 --> 01:21:17,173
Speaker 2: pair of shorts and someone else has to follow up

1644
01:21:17,173 --> 01:21:18,692
Speaker 2: the ladder, then that can be an issue.

1645
01:21:18,492 --> 01:21:21,213
Speaker 3: A little bit awkward. Yeah, an HR situation sometimes.

1646
01:21:20,973 --> 01:21:22,893
Speaker 2: Yea one hundred percent. But in the office that is

1647
01:21:22,933 --> 01:21:24,812
Speaker 2: interesting because I wore shorts to work the other day

1648
01:21:24,853 --> 01:21:27,173
Speaker 2: here at News Talk ZEDB. I'm just new here. I'm

1649
01:21:27,213 --> 01:21:30,373
Speaker 2: the new guy on the block. And Heather was disgusted

1650
01:21:30,412 --> 01:21:37,093
Speaker 2: by my shorts and my shorts and birkenstocks. Yeah, she said,

1651
01:21:37,133 --> 01:21:39,173
Speaker 2: what is this? You're working at z B now here

1652
01:21:39,213 --> 01:21:39,972
Speaker 2: the deep see Ellen.

1653
01:21:40,133 --> 01:21:41,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was shocking behavior.

1654
01:21:41,372 --> 01:21:44,412
Speaker 2: And I haven't since so, I mean taught lessons actually

1655
01:21:44,492 --> 01:21:47,532
Speaker 2: because Ctic told me, Kerry told me to clean up

1656
01:21:47,572 --> 01:21:49,372
Speaker 2: the discs. I've been wiping that down and the Prime

1657
01:21:49,412 --> 01:21:51,893
Speaker 2: Minister gave me sweat wipe. So I've been completing my

1658
01:21:52,013 --> 01:21:55,013
Speaker 2: station and they've took me out of where and he

1659
01:21:55,133 --> 01:21:57,053
Speaker 2: just took me out of wearing shorts. But I guess

1660
01:21:57,093 --> 01:21:59,812
Speaker 2: it's an interesting thing, isn't it. Hundred Hurdie, I wit hundred,

1661
01:21:59,933 --> 01:22:03,612
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it is Chris making new hundred eighty

1662
01:22:03,772 --> 01:22:04,492
Speaker 2: ten eighty.

1663
01:22:04,692 --> 01:22:07,612
Speaker 3: See you get them talking about shorts and socks, and

1664
01:22:07,692 --> 01:22:10,012
Speaker 3: it was right, that was in my head.

1665
01:22:09,853 --> 01:22:12,532
Speaker 2: Because down at Hodaki, the radio station I've come from.

1666
01:22:12,612 --> 01:22:16,892
Speaker 2: Everyone wears shorts in summer. Yeah. In fact, the first day,

1667
01:22:17,173 --> 01:22:19,333
Speaker 2: you know, it's who's the first one into shorts get

1668
01:22:19,372 --> 01:22:22,213
Speaker 2: celebrated because it's it's the it's the heralding of some

1669
01:22:22,372 --> 01:22:24,253
Speaker 2: of the first person to turn up in a tiny

1670
01:22:24,293 --> 01:22:27,972
Speaker 2: pair of shorts. But up here it doesn't feel the same.

1671
01:22:28,452 --> 01:22:31,852
Speaker 2: You're walking around the news room and shorts doesn't doesn't

1672
01:22:31,933 --> 01:22:33,973
Speaker 2: quite feel right. And I guess that's the thing to

1673
01:22:34,013 --> 01:22:35,253
Speaker 2: compared to the workplace, isn't it.

1674
01:22:35,492 --> 01:22:37,293
Speaker 3: There's not many people that can pull her off up here.

1675
01:22:37,333 --> 01:22:39,492
Speaker 3: I've got to say. I mean, you were one of them.

1676
01:22:39,532 --> 01:22:41,652
Speaker 3: I mean, and good on you. You stormed in here

1677
01:22:41,893 --> 01:22:44,293
Speaker 3: and your birking socks and your shorts and started throwing

1678
01:22:44,293 --> 01:22:46,692
Speaker 3: crumbs around and said I'm here, baby, and I don't care.

1679
01:22:46,853 --> 01:22:49,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, And actually, god damn it, I'm gonna wear shorts

1680
01:22:49,013 --> 01:22:51,333
Speaker 2: tomorrow because no one tells me what to wear. But

1681
01:22:51,612 --> 01:22:53,372
Speaker 2: having said that, if I went to see my lawyer

1682
01:22:53,772 --> 01:22:56,452
Speaker 2: and he came rocking up in a pair of stubbies

1683
01:22:56,652 --> 01:23:01,053
Speaker 2: and some flip flops, I'm going to go I don't know. Yeah,

1684
01:23:01,372 --> 01:23:03,652
Speaker 2: I don't know, mate, I don't anymore. I don't know

1685
01:23:03,692 --> 01:23:05,892
Speaker 2: if I trust you, you know, so I guess it's

1686
01:23:05,933 --> 01:23:10,372
Speaker 2: the profession, right And yeah, I mean in an office. Yeah,

1687
01:23:10,572 --> 01:23:12,052
Speaker 2: that's an interesting one. I'm not sure.

1688
01:23:12,452 --> 01:23:14,652
Speaker 3: Part of it for me is confidence. Is one guy

1689
01:23:15,253 --> 01:23:17,772
Speaker 3: up here on the second floor, Liam, and he works

1690
01:23:17,772 --> 01:23:19,893
Speaker 3: for the technology team, and he's very good at what

1691
01:23:20,013 --> 01:23:22,052
Speaker 3: he does, and he's a lovely guy. But he's always

1692
01:23:22,133 --> 01:23:24,372
Speaker 3: went warn shorts. He wore shorts when he was down

1693
01:23:24,412 --> 01:23:26,692
Speaker 3: in christ Church and it was zero degrees. He still

1694
01:23:26,732 --> 01:23:29,012
Speaker 3: wears shorts up here, and I look at him and think, mate,

1695
01:23:29,053 --> 01:23:31,213
Speaker 3: scrub up a little bit. But because he's good at

1696
01:23:31,253 --> 01:23:32,732
Speaker 3: his job, I lean away with that.

1697
01:23:34,412 --> 01:23:36,412
Speaker 2: Well, the walk shorts are interesting. Someone here says, bring

1698
01:23:36,492 --> 01:23:40,293
Speaker 2: back walk shorts, says from Neil. And my uncle wrote

1699
01:23:40,293 --> 01:23:42,732
Speaker 2: a great pot called The Accidental Teacher Tim Hayth, and

1700
01:23:42,853 --> 01:23:45,173
Speaker 2: in it he talks about when he got a job

1701
01:23:45,333 --> 01:23:49,452
Speaker 2: teaching in thes and he was he was a school

1702
01:23:49,452 --> 01:23:51,532
Speaker 2: teacher from Auckland and he went down there. He's getting

1703
01:23:51,572 --> 01:23:55,532
Speaker 2: paid half a sheep a week to eat salary, yep,

1704
01:23:55,652 --> 01:23:59,852
Speaker 2: just working in a farm, a schoolhouse on the property.

1705
01:24:00,133 --> 01:24:01,772
Speaker 2: And he said when he turned up in his walk

1706
01:24:01,812 --> 01:24:05,692
Speaker 2: shorts with his socks pulled up to this quite sort

1707
01:24:05,732 --> 01:24:08,772
Speaker 2: of rough rural area. He lost a lot of ability.

1708
01:24:08,812 --> 01:24:09,293
Speaker 13: I bet you that.

1709
01:24:09,452 --> 01:24:12,732
Speaker 2: So, even in areas where it's not necessarily so formal,

1710
01:24:12,772 --> 01:24:14,412
Speaker 2: you've got to be careful with what type of shorts

1711
01:24:14,412 --> 01:24:14,692
Speaker 2: you wear.

1712
01:24:14,853 --> 01:24:18,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, so shorts in the workplace? Is it unprofessional? I

1713
01:24:18,213 --> 01:24:21,653
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Forty two percent of Australian

1714
01:24:21,732 --> 01:24:24,532
Speaker 3: workers do think it is unprofessional? Love to hear from

1715
01:24:24,572 --> 01:24:27,372
Speaker 3: you on this Nine to nine two is the text number.

1716
01:24:27,612 --> 01:24:30,293
Speaker 3: It is twelve past three. Back very shortly. You're listening

1717
01:24:30,333 --> 01:24:34,333
Speaker 3: to Matton Tyler. Good afternoon. It is quarter past three

1718
01:24:34,333 --> 01:24:37,412
Speaker 3: and we're talking about shorts in the workplace? Is it unprofessional?

1719
01:24:37,532 --> 01:24:40,452
Speaker 3: Forty two percent of Australian workers think it is. Love

1720
01:24:40,492 --> 01:24:41,972
Speaker 3: to hear from you on I eight one hundred eighty

1721
01:24:42,053 --> 01:24:44,612
Speaker 3: ten eighty. Some great texts coming through on nine two

1722
01:24:44,692 --> 01:24:47,772
Speaker 3: nine two. Yes, guys, dress shorts are absolutely fine with

1723
01:24:47,812 --> 01:24:50,213
Speaker 3: the smart shirt, studies not so much.

1724
01:24:52,372 --> 01:24:55,652
Speaker 2: Stubbies. Only builders can get away with studies. A stubby

1725
01:24:55,732 --> 01:24:56,773
Speaker 2: still available.

1726
01:24:57,253 --> 01:24:57,852
Speaker 3: I've got a few.

1727
01:24:58,013 --> 01:25:00,732
Speaker 2: I call them Barnesy's after Wyne Barnes. The referee you

1728
01:25:00,853 --> 01:25:02,572
Speaker 2: see was very short shorts.

1729
01:25:02,732 --> 01:25:04,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were pretty short studies went, and studies are

1730
01:25:04,732 --> 01:25:06,772
Speaker 3: pretty short at the best of times. Ryan, how are

1731
01:25:06,812 --> 01:25:07,532
Speaker 3: you this afternoon?

1732
01:25:08,532 --> 01:25:09,412
Speaker 18: Not too bad?

1733
01:25:09,532 --> 01:25:10,572
Speaker 4: Layers yourself good?

1734
01:25:10,933 --> 01:25:13,333
Speaker 3: So do you reckon? There's some professions where you can

1735
01:25:13,372 --> 01:25:14,452
Speaker 3: get away with wearing shorts.

1736
01:25:15,452 --> 01:25:18,293
Speaker 18: Oh, definitely the trades. But as I text, and I'd

1737
01:25:18,333 --> 01:25:20,213
Speaker 18: be stoked if my lawyer came in in a pair

1738
01:25:20,253 --> 01:25:23,412
Speaker 18: of shorts or stubbies, because you know, he's confident he's

1739
01:25:23,452 --> 01:25:26,492
Speaker 18: winning and he's going straight back to fishing or drinking beers.

1740
01:25:27,053 --> 01:25:29,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, Yeah, it's funny that we want to kind

1741
01:25:29,053 --> 01:25:31,772
Speaker 2: of be fronted and tripped. So it's you know when

1742
01:25:31,812 --> 01:25:34,213
Speaker 2: real estate agents have to drive a flash car and

1743
01:25:34,372 --> 01:25:37,133
Speaker 2: lawyers have to wear a nice suit, and that makes

1744
01:25:37,213 --> 01:25:39,572
Speaker 2: us trust them more. But you're right, a lawyer that

1745
01:25:39,692 --> 01:25:43,213
Speaker 2: came in in a singi and some stubbies and some

1746
01:25:43,293 --> 01:25:46,452
Speaker 2: flip flops. Maybe there's something about that guy. Maybe he's

1747
01:25:46,572 --> 01:25:48,973
Speaker 2: just confident that's going to let us let his or

1748
01:25:49,013 --> 01:25:50,653
Speaker 2: her work speak.

1749
01:25:50,452 --> 01:25:52,412
Speaker 18: For his exactly.

1750
01:25:53,093 --> 01:25:54,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I like that.

1751
01:25:54,333 --> 01:25:56,692
Speaker 3: Actually, he said, I've got this sort of watch your resue, right,

1752
01:25:57,013 --> 01:25:59,612
Speaker 3: you need some help with some employment matters, don't worry

1753
01:25:59,652 --> 01:26:01,532
Speaker 3: about it. I've got the sword out. And he's got

1754
01:26:01,572 --> 01:26:02,612
Speaker 3: his old beat shirt.

1755
01:26:02,452 --> 01:26:04,412
Speaker 2: On and he's gutting a fish on his desk while

1756
01:26:04,452 --> 01:26:05,053
Speaker 2: he's talking to you.

1757
01:26:05,293 --> 01:26:09,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see some logic in that, right, Love

1758
01:26:09,893 --> 01:26:11,972
Speaker 3: it Ryan, Thank you very much mate. Oh eight hundred

1759
01:26:12,053 --> 01:26:14,732
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. So more

1760
01:26:14,772 --> 01:26:17,572
Speaker 3: on the survey that they mentioned dress code in general

1761
01:26:17,732 --> 01:26:21,772
Speaker 3: across workplaces in Australia that if you want to wear

1762
01:26:21,853 --> 01:26:23,692
Speaker 3: shorts in the workplace, then you have to have that

1763
01:26:23,812 --> 01:26:25,692
Speaker 3: chat with your boss. It's a weird chat to have

1764
01:26:25,812 --> 01:26:28,092
Speaker 3: with your boss to say, hey, it's a bit warm today,

1765
01:26:28,173 --> 01:26:30,572
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about rock and the Stubby's. Are you

1766
01:26:30,692 --> 01:26:31,213
Speaker 3: okay with that?

1767
01:26:31,612 --> 01:26:36,652
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's interesting though, because yeah, when you get into

1768
01:26:36,732 --> 01:26:39,812
Speaker 2: that level, because okay, say, I mean this is kind

1769
01:26:39,853 --> 01:26:43,852
Speaker 2: of controversial, but would you then be asking so for

1770
01:26:43,973 --> 01:26:47,692
Speaker 2: a man, right, shorts are like a short pair of pants, right,

1771
01:26:47,933 --> 01:26:50,732
Speaker 2: They're like short trousers. So do you then say to

1772
01:26:51,213 --> 01:26:53,333
Speaker 2: female employees that skirts too short?

1773
01:26:53,772 --> 01:26:53,972
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1774
01:26:54,093 --> 01:26:56,852
Speaker 3: Good point, that's minefield. It's a mind filone field.

1775
01:26:56,973 --> 01:26:57,173
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1776
01:26:57,572 --> 01:26:59,652
Speaker 2: Or if I have to wear pants that go the

1777
01:26:59,692 --> 01:27:02,333
Speaker 2: way down to govern my ankles, do women have to

1778
01:27:02,412 --> 01:27:06,293
Speaker 2: wear like Gloria Vale type dresses that go all the

1779
01:27:06,333 --> 01:27:06,852
Speaker 2: way down to.

1780
01:27:06,853 --> 01:27:10,053
Speaker 3: The don't show your ankles and the place. Just I mean,

1781
01:27:10,093 --> 01:27:12,612
Speaker 3: you've never seen me wear shorts, right, I never wear shorts.

1782
01:27:12,692 --> 01:27:15,053
Speaker 3: I sometimes do if I'm outside in public, then I'll

1783
01:27:15,053 --> 01:27:16,852
Speaker 3: wear shorts, even though nobody wants to see my life.

1784
01:27:16,853 --> 01:27:20,933
Speaker 2: But I've heard that you've got horrific chicken legs, and

1785
01:27:21,093 --> 01:27:22,973
Speaker 2: so that your yours are covered up for the not

1786
01:27:23,093 --> 01:27:25,452
Speaker 2: because you know anything to do with respect around the workplace,

1787
01:27:25,532 --> 01:27:26,972
Speaker 2: just because you've got humiliating legs.

1788
01:27:27,213 --> 01:27:29,412
Speaker 3: They are pretty skinny at this point yet and super

1789
01:27:29,492 --> 01:27:31,213
Speaker 3: pale as well. But when I first started here at

1790
01:27:31,253 --> 01:27:33,692
Speaker 3: News TALKSZB, I started wearing shirts right. I on the

1791
01:27:33,772 --> 01:27:36,372
Speaker 3: first week, I came in with the nicest shirts that

1792
01:27:36,452 --> 01:27:38,772
Speaker 3: I could buy, and within the space of about a week,

1793
01:27:38,812 --> 01:27:41,333
Speaker 3: I realized that the dress code was a lot lower

1794
01:27:41,412 --> 01:27:44,293
Speaker 3: than I anticipated and started wearing T shirts. But to

1795
01:27:44,412 --> 01:27:46,772
Speaker 3: this day, I still feel a bit weird being up

1796
01:27:46,812 --> 01:27:50,173
Speaker 3: here in the studio wearing a T shirt. But because

1797
01:27:50,213 --> 01:27:52,052
Speaker 3: my costking did it, I thought, oh, that's okay.

1798
01:27:52,492 --> 01:27:55,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, But he who comes in wearing a four thousand

1799
01:27:55,692 --> 01:28:00,133
Speaker 2: dollars sort of sway jacket, doesn't he yeah yeah, yeah.

1800
01:28:00,692 --> 01:28:03,372
Speaker 3: So as the ante with the jacket, which is a

1801
01:28:03,452 --> 01:28:04,253
Speaker 3: nice touch felt.

1802
01:28:04,532 --> 01:28:07,013
Speaker 2: What kind of jacket would he wear? His beautiful jackets? Yeah,

1803
01:28:07,133 --> 01:28:10,013
Speaker 2: he's got fantastic jacket I saw did you read this

1804
01:28:10,053 --> 01:28:12,652
Speaker 2: one out before I would have heard it? I saw

1805
01:28:12,812 --> 01:28:16,053
Speaker 2: a colorichdal surgeon today. I would have been excited if

1806
01:28:16,093 --> 01:28:17,172
Speaker 2: he had been wearing shorts.

1807
01:28:18,772 --> 01:28:19,053
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1808
01:28:19,173 --> 01:28:22,213
Speaker 3: Do you want to surge him wearing shorts? And how

1809
01:28:22,253 --> 01:28:23,092
Speaker 3: are you this afternoon?

1810
01:28:24,173 --> 01:28:25,932
Speaker 20: I'm fine, thank you. I have to be quick because

1811
01:28:25,973 --> 01:28:29,492
Speaker 20: my grocery is going to arrive a long time ago.

1812
01:28:29,572 --> 01:28:31,652
Speaker 20: I'm not going to tell you when because you'll find

1813
01:28:31,692 --> 01:28:34,692
Speaker 20: out how old I am. So my late husband went

1814
01:28:34,732 --> 01:28:39,012
Speaker 20: to university as a lecturer and he's just qualified, qualified,

1815
01:28:39,213 --> 01:28:45,053
Speaker 20: and everybody wore shorts and socks, and that's what they

1816
01:28:45,173 --> 01:28:47,973
Speaker 20: did in those days. And then we went back for

1817
01:28:48,093 --> 01:28:50,093
Speaker 20: a year to England when he went to work at

1818
01:28:50,133 --> 01:28:54,772
Speaker 20: Cambridge and he got on his bike from where we

1819
01:28:54,812 --> 01:28:59,412
Speaker 20: were shorts and socks and all the way there the builders.

1820
01:29:02,572 --> 01:29:04,732
Speaker 2: So was that the class? That was that the classic

1821
01:29:04,933 --> 01:29:08,293
Speaker 2: walk shorts with socks pulled right up to your knees situation?

1822
01:29:08,933 --> 01:29:09,133
Speaker 12: Yes?

1823
01:29:09,612 --> 01:29:13,372
Speaker 20: Yes, I don't think they did it in Anglan.

1824
01:29:17,452 --> 01:29:19,892
Speaker 2: You you were you living in Totonga then, as.

1825
01:29:19,853 --> 01:29:24,492
Speaker 20: Well and no, no, we went to massive university and

1826
01:29:26,973 --> 01:29:29,133
Speaker 20: I've forgotten was down down south.

1827
01:29:29,452 --> 01:29:32,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I guess in England and Cambridge and stuff,

1828
01:29:32,853 --> 01:29:34,812
Speaker 2: maybe maybe there wasn't as much need to wear the

1829
01:29:35,532 --> 01:29:36,692
Speaker 2: walk shorts in terms.

1830
01:29:36,492 --> 01:29:38,932
Speaker 20: Of decent weather.

1831
01:29:42,173 --> 01:29:43,973
Speaker 2: There was a big part of the teaching profession. There

1832
01:29:44,013 --> 01:29:46,333
Speaker 2: was a big part of teaching and lecturing obviously wearing

1833
01:29:46,372 --> 01:29:48,572
Speaker 2: the walk shorts. Because, as I was saying telling the

1834
01:29:48,612 --> 01:29:52,772
Speaker 2: story about my my uncle Tim wearing wearing walk shorts

1835
01:29:52,812 --> 01:29:54,692
Speaker 2: as a teacher, it used to be it used to

1836
01:29:54,732 --> 01:29:58,173
Speaker 2: be a real thing, but it wasn't. It wasn't an

1837
01:29:58,412 --> 01:30:01,452
Speaker 2: informal thing. It was even arguably more formal than the

1838
01:30:01,532 --> 01:30:04,333
Speaker 2: pants because you had the shorts and they were a

1839
01:30:04,372 --> 01:30:06,933
Speaker 2: special kind of they were like a suit pant that

1840
01:30:07,013 --> 01:30:09,532
Speaker 2: it was shorter and they were kind of longish went there.

1841
01:30:09,572 --> 01:30:13,133
Speaker 2: They went far above your knees and then your sock. Yeah,

1842
01:30:13,293 --> 01:30:16,293
Speaker 2: good shirt, So really only your knees were showing, weren't they.

1843
01:30:16,333 --> 01:30:18,412
Speaker 2: Your knees were sticking out just below your shorts and

1844
01:30:18,853 --> 01:30:19,972
Speaker 2: just above your socks.

1845
01:30:22,253 --> 01:30:24,293
Speaker 20: I think I was best in short night.

1846
01:30:27,133 --> 01:30:28,612
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for you for your call in.

1847
01:30:28,853 --> 01:30:31,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're great. I had one hundred eighty ten eighty.

1848
01:30:31,612 --> 01:30:33,532
Speaker 3: There was just something about those walking short stuff. You

1849
01:30:33,612 --> 01:30:36,812
Speaker 3: saw someone with that, with the pulled up socks, you thought, well,

1850
01:30:36,812 --> 01:30:39,053
Speaker 3: I thought instantly that person is good at mathematics.

1851
01:30:39,173 --> 01:30:39,333
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1852
01:30:39,412 --> 01:30:41,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was definitely a math teacher thing, wasn't it. Yeah?

1853
01:30:41,772 --> 01:30:44,612
Speaker 2: But were they taught that I'm interested to know at

1854
01:30:44,692 --> 01:30:47,932
Speaker 2: teachers College, because at some point teachers stopped wearing them,

1855
01:30:47,973 --> 01:30:49,772
Speaker 2: And if there's a teacher out there that still does

1856
01:30:49,812 --> 01:30:52,932
Speaker 2: the walk shorts thing or lecturer, but was that something

1857
01:30:53,093 --> 01:30:56,213
Speaker 2: that was so specific to teachers? And that was that

1858
01:30:56,333 --> 01:30:59,532
Speaker 2: something that you were taught at school, like you know

1859
01:30:59,893 --> 01:31:01,692
Speaker 2: it teachers College, and these are the shorts that you

1860
01:31:01,772 --> 01:31:02,532
Speaker 2: were wear in summer.

1861
01:31:02,692 --> 01:31:04,732
Speaker 3: That is the dress code you need to do it.

1862
01:31:05,692 --> 01:31:07,372
Speaker 2: It was very specific, wasn't it.

1863
01:31:07,572 --> 01:31:09,772
Speaker 3: I had a hundred. If you're a maths teacher out

1864
01:31:09,772 --> 01:31:11,772
Speaker 3: there right now, or a teacher in general, give us

1865
01:31:11,772 --> 01:31:13,412
Speaker 3: a buzz. Nineteen nine two is a text number.

1866
01:31:13,452 --> 01:31:14,933
Speaker 2: And it looks good because you also wore it with

1867
01:31:15,013 --> 01:31:17,013
Speaker 2: a short shirt and the tie, didn't you. So you'd

1868
01:31:17,053 --> 01:31:20,213
Speaker 2: have your your shirt and tie shirt tucked into your

1869
01:31:20,213 --> 01:31:22,612
Speaker 2: walk shorts and as I say, and then you'd have

1870
01:31:22,732 --> 01:31:25,093
Speaker 2: leather shoes and your socks pulled.

1871
01:31:24,853 --> 01:31:27,772
Speaker 3: Right up so at the top party down the bottom.

1872
01:31:27,893 --> 01:31:32,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, were hardly less formal than just wearing a full suit. Really.

1873
01:31:32,293 --> 01:31:32,452
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1874
01:31:32,532 --> 01:31:33,933
Speaker 3: The ensemble work though, didn't that well?

1875
01:31:34,013 --> 01:31:34,852
Speaker 2: Will that come back?

1876
01:31:35,053 --> 01:31:38,253
Speaker 3: Hopefully it does? Can I bring that back? Please do?

1877
01:31:38,572 --> 01:31:38,892
Speaker 4: Please?

1878
01:31:38,933 --> 01:31:41,013
Speaker 3: Don't? I want to see you wearing that tomorrow. Oh

1879
01:31:41,093 --> 01:31:42,852
Speaker 3: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1880
01:31:42,893 --> 01:31:43,972
Speaker 3: It's twenty two, Pass.

1881
01:31:43,812 --> 01:31:51,812
Speaker 1: Three Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight

1882
01:31:51,933 --> 01:31:54,173
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty on Youth Talks.

1883
01:31:54,013 --> 01:31:58,932
Speaker 3: EDB, News Talks, ed B. So it's transitioned to walk shorts.

1884
01:31:58,973 --> 01:31:59,652
Speaker 3: But I'm loving this.

1885
01:32:00,013 --> 01:32:00,173
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1886
01:32:00,253 --> 01:32:02,732
Speaker 2: So there was a study saying that less people think

1887
01:32:02,772 --> 01:32:05,532
Speaker 2: it's okay to wear shorts to work in Australia. We

1888
01:32:05,652 --> 01:32:07,852
Speaker 2: assume we feel the same way in New Zealand. My

1889
01:32:07,933 --> 01:32:09,572
Speaker 2: dad was a farmer and when he got older he

1890
01:32:09,652 --> 01:32:11,852
Speaker 2: wore the walk shorts with the long socks to town.

1891
01:32:13,133 --> 01:32:15,253
Speaker 2: One of those at the times. Yeah, I like that

1892
01:32:15,372 --> 01:32:18,053
Speaker 2: getting formal, so on the would have been wearing what

1893
01:32:18,133 --> 01:32:20,012
Speaker 2: he wore on the farm and get intristed in town.

1894
01:32:20,532 --> 01:32:23,052
Speaker 2: My teacher used to wear walk shorts with knee socks

1895
01:32:23,093 --> 01:32:24,052
Speaker 2: and Roman sandals.

1896
01:32:24,093 --> 01:32:26,052
Speaker 3: Oh yes, that was the final touch.

1897
01:32:26,213 --> 01:32:28,372
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Roman sandals under your socks.

1898
01:32:28,452 --> 01:32:30,652
Speaker 3: Beautiful look. Yeah, bring that back.

1899
01:32:30,772 --> 01:32:31,892
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I used to think it would never

1900
01:32:31,973 --> 01:32:34,692
Speaker 2: come back wearing socks and sandals, but you see it

1901
01:32:34,732 --> 01:32:39,372
Speaker 2: a lot with in fact, birken socks sell particular Birkenstock's

1902
01:32:39,853 --> 01:32:41,812
Speaker 2: socks to wear with your Burkenstock sandals.

1903
01:32:41,853 --> 01:32:43,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is coming back for the young ones. Kelly,

1904
01:32:43,692 --> 01:32:44,013
Speaker 3: how are you?

1905
01:32:45,572 --> 01:32:46,013
Speaker 18: I'm good?

1906
01:32:46,093 --> 01:32:50,012
Speaker 21: Thanks, Tyler. Hey, Matt, you forgot about the knitted sweet

1907
01:32:50,013 --> 01:32:50,372
Speaker 21: a vest.

1908
01:32:53,293 --> 01:32:55,093
Speaker 2: Oh that's a beautiful lot, isn't it.

1909
01:32:56,412 --> 01:32:59,293
Speaker 14: That is I had a yeah, Oh it's an awesome

1910
01:32:59,372 --> 01:33:02,412
Speaker 14: look I had. And it's not just mass teachers, it's

1911
01:33:02,452 --> 01:33:03,972
Speaker 14: also science teachers.

1912
01:33:04,772 --> 01:33:08,772
Speaker 21: I had a teacher when I high school that would

1913
01:33:08,812 --> 01:33:13,573
Speaker 21: wear the brown leather shoe, the long socks, the walk shorts,

1914
01:33:14,333 --> 01:33:18,173
Speaker 21: the tie, the short sleeve shirt in the summer, and

1915
01:33:19,013 --> 01:33:20,612
Speaker 21: the knitted sweet a vest.

1916
01:33:20,572 --> 01:33:22,093
Speaker 5: That his mum made him.

1917
01:33:22,293 --> 01:33:23,652
Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome. Was it Tartan?

1918
01:33:25,492 --> 01:33:28,452
Speaker 21: No, it wasn't. It was brown, and I know it

1919
01:33:28,652 --> 01:33:32,532
Speaker 21: was had knitted by his mum because many years later

1920
01:33:33,333 --> 01:33:36,053
Speaker 21: my boys went to the same high school as me

1921
01:33:36,333 --> 01:33:39,333
Speaker 21: and he was still there. His wife worked in the

1922
01:33:39,412 --> 01:33:42,173
Speaker 21: office and I thought one day I would ask her

1923
01:33:42,492 --> 01:33:46,372
Speaker 21: about those knitted sweats and I think did he retire them?

1924
01:33:46,412 --> 01:33:49,572
Speaker 18: And she went no, he still got them and his

1925
01:33:49,853 --> 01:33:51,213
Speaker 18: mum made them for him.

1926
01:33:51,492 --> 01:33:53,492
Speaker 3: Oh so good to believe memories.

1927
01:33:53,772 --> 01:33:55,492
Speaker 2: That is beautiful. That's a lovely story.

1928
01:33:55,652 --> 01:33:57,572
Speaker 3: That'd be where some money now, Jelly, you know they

1929
01:33:57,652 --> 01:34:00,092
Speaker 3: are hot. They are hot items for the younger generation.

1930
01:34:01,612 --> 01:34:01,772
Speaker 6: Oh.

1931
01:34:01,853 --> 01:34:04,732
Speaker 21: I know she got two Christmas ones myself, but.

1932
01:34:04,812 --> 01:34:06,333
Speaker 22: I just want the normal one cut.

1933
01:34:06,973 --> 01:34:08,213
Speaker 21: I think my boys would wear them.

1934
01:34:08,372 --> 01:34:10,253
Speaker 15: Oh I thanks, they out of me.

1935
01:34:10,572 --> 01:34:12,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, love it, Kellie, thank you very much.

1936
01:34:13,093 --> 01:34:14,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean you still see the net A

1937
01:34:14,772 --> 01:34:17,093
Speaker 2: vest on, the on the cricket field on. You know

1938
01:34:17,253 --> 01:34:19,293
Speaker 2: you'll get our touring side coming to New Zealand. We'll

1939
01:34:19,293 --> 01:34:22,532
Speaker 2: put them playing down in Dunedin in November and the

1940
01:34:22,612 --> 01:34:23,692
Speaker 2: nitweek gets comes out.

1941
01:34:23,772 --> 01:34:26,053
Speaker 3: That is classy though, wasn't it. That's their number ones, Yeah,

1942
01:34:26,133 --> 01:34:28,572
Speaker 3: oh oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1943
01:34:28,652 --> 01:34:31,253
Speaker 3: the number to call. Twenty seven past.

1944
01:34:31,013 --> 01:34:34,732
Speaker 2: Three US talks.

1945
01:34:34,772 --> 01:34:38,492
Speaker 12: They'd be headlines with Blue Bubble taxis. It's no trouble

1946
01:34:38,572 --> 01:34:41,772
Speaker 12: with a blue Bubble fire and emergency. We'll send thirty

1947
01:34:41,812 --> 01:34:45,572
Speaker 12: four search and rescue personnel to Vanuatu to help after

1948
01:34:45,732 --> 01:34:50,213
Speaker 12: yesterday's deadly seven point three magnitude earthquake using on Center

1949
01:34:50,333 --> 01:34:53,093
Speaker 12: surveillance plane, and we'll send one or more flights with

1950
01:34:53,253 --> 01:34:57,492
Speaker 12: aid personnel. Survivors of torture at the Lake Allis Child

1951
01:34:57,572 --> 01:35:00,372
Speaker 12: and Adolescent Unit are being urged to come forward as

1952
01:35:00,452 --> 01:35:03,532
Speaker 12: soon as possible to claim one hundred and fifty thousand

1953
01:35:03,612 --> 01:35:09,173
Speaker 12: dollars redress payouts or have their entitlement assessed. Farmac says

1954
01:35:09,253 --> 01:35:13,133
Speaker 12: hormone replacement patches currently used by women for menopause will

1955
01:35:13,173 --> 01:35:16,532
Speaker 12: remain available into next year despite a change of brand

1956
01:35:17,532 --> 01:35:21,092
Speaker 12: Statsan z September quarter data shows New Zealand's current account

1957
01:35:21,173 --> 01:35:25,333
Speaker 12: deficit slightly narrowed by nine hundred thousand dollars to six

1958
01:35:25,452 --> 01:35:30,092
Speaker 12: point two billion. Politicians have rejected a proposal to remove

1959
01:35:30,253 --> 01:35:33,492
Speaker 12: trading restrictions on Good Friday and Easter Sunday in a

1960
01:35:33,572 --> 01:35:37,772
Speaker 12: conscience vote seventy four to forty nine. The South Island

1961
01:35:37,853 --> 01:35:42,093
Speaker 12: Sports winners and losers for twenty twenty four Seymour at

1962
01:35:42,173 --> 01:35:45,333
Speaker 12: Inzad Herald Premium now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1963
01:35:45,492 --> 01:35:46,333
Speaker 3: Thank you, Raylean.

1964
01:35:46,412 --> 01:35:48,133
Speaker 2: It is halp Us three we're talking shorts in the

1965
01:35:48,173 --> 01:35:51,093
Speaker 2: workplace because the study out of Australia has found that

1966
01:35:51,213 --> 01:35:54,133
Speaker 2: people are souring against them and are looking to be

1967
01:35:54,293 --> 01:35:57,412
Speaker 2: more formal. There's great text here. Hi, Matt and Tyler.

1968
01:35:57,492 --> 01:35:59,812
Speaker 2: My first job after leaving school was working for the

1969
01:36:00,013 --> 01:36:03,133
Speaker 2: Amp Insurance at the corner of Queen and Victoria Street,

1970
01:36:03,213 --> 01:36:05,492
Speaker 2: Auckland at nineteen seventy one. In the summer we wore

1971
01:36:05,572 --> 01:36:09,293
Speaker 2: dress shorts with shirt and tie. Paisley shirts and tires

1972
01:36:09,293 --> 01:36:11,133
Speaker 2: were in the fashion then we were really cool man

1973
01:36:12,293 --> 01:36:13,532
Speaker 2: you Yeah, I love.

1974
01:36:13,412 --> 01:36:14,893
Speaker 3: That, Tyrone, how are you?

1975
01:36:16,492 --> 01:36:16,772
Speaker 18: Oh?

1976
01:36:16,812 --> 01:36:17,253
Speaker 6: Well, thanks?

1977
01:36:17,293 --> 01:36:18,412
Speaker 9: Did you guys? Yeah? Good?

1978
01:36:18,492 --> 01:36:20,092
Speaker 3: So do you want to talk about the walking shorts

1979
01:36:20,173 --> 01:36:21,132
Speaker 3: or shorts in general?

1980
01:36:22,492 --> 01:36:26,372
Speaker 9: I think just shorts in general. I must have that.

1981
01:36:26,532 --> 01:36:29,293
Speaker 9: I didn't think it was unprofessional until I've thought back

1982
01:36:29,333 --> 01:36:31,652
Speaker 9: to all the job interviews I've had, and I would

1983
01:36:31,732 --> 01:36:33,333
Speaker 9: never rock up in short Yeah.

1984
01:36:33,973 --> 01:36:35,892
Speaker 3: It's a good litmus tist. Actually, if you don't rock

1985
01:36:36,013 --> 01:36:39,093
Speaker 3: up to the interview in shorts, they may be not

1986
01:36:39,173 --> 01:36:40,293
Speaker 3: quite right for that work place.

1987
01:36:41,973 --> 01:36:42,213
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1988
01:36:42,293 --> 01:36:45,372
Speaker 9: And then the other thing is when I stopped in

1989
01:36:45,452 --> 01:36:48,572
Speaker 9: my business, I thought I better wear long pants as well,

1990
01:36:48,692 --> 01:36:51,093
Speaker 9: just because it sounds like they looked a bit more professional,

1991
01:36:51,253 --> 01:36:54,692
Speaker 9: but being a landscaper that that got all real quick

1992
01:36:57,652 --> 01:36:58,372
Speaker 9: change somewhat.

1993
01:36:59,532 --> 01:36:59,732
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1994
01:36:59,772 --> 01:37:01,612
Speaker 2: I think I think if I was hiring a landscaper

1995
01:37:01,652 --> 01:37:03,652
Speaker 2: and they turned up in long pants, I think I

1996
01:37:03,732 --> 01:37:06,093
Speaker 2: would I would think there's something wrong with them. I

1997
01:37:06,133 --> 01:37:08,253
Speaker 2: think it's in that profession you want them in shorts.

1998
01:37:10,333 --> 01:37:14,173
Speaker 9: I suppose it's more the extra pockets and things. Yeah, there,

1999
01:37:14,572 --> 01:37:17,892
Speaker 9: But I also think having shorts in like an office

2000
01:37:18,013 --> 01:37:22,133
Speaker 9: environment might be but distracting. I mean, not everyone has

2001
01:37:22,173 --> 01:37:23,133
Speaker 9: that pretty legs, you know.

2002
01:37:23,372 --> 01:37:25,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean if my legs are out, then

2003
01:37:25,412 --> 01:37:27,173
Speaker 2: everyone's going to be looking at the legs. I've got

2004
01:37:27,333 --> 01:37:33,052
Speaker 2: beautiful legs, great, great calves. Problem, Yeah, great calves, great thighs.

2005
01:37:34,053 --> 01:37:36,173
Speaker 2: It's interesting though, with different people, because I've got one

2006
01:37:36,372 --> 01:37:38,053
Speaker 2: of the best workers I've ever met in my life,

2007
01:37:38,053 --> 01:37:39,492
Speaker 2: as a guy called Joe Jury is one of my

2008
01:37:39,532 --> 01:37:42,253
Speaker 2: best mates, and he works for the Alternative Commentary Collective.

2009
01:37:42,412 --> 01:37:44,293
Speaker 2: But he's an ice hockey player, and as a result,

2010
01:37:44,692 --> 01:37:47,532
Speaker 2: his thighs are so powerful and his backside is so

2011
01:37:47,772 --> 01:37:50,852
Speaker 2: powerful from playing ice hockey that he can't fit into pants.

2012
01:37:51,253 --> 01:37:54,492
Speaker 2: They just don't work, like a medical condition. So he's

2013
01:37:54,572 --> 01:37:57,492
Speaker 2: just got such powerful legs. In buttocks that he has

2014
01:37:57,572 --> 01:38:00,213
Speaker 2: to wear shorts all year out, So I just don't

2015
01:38:00,253 --> 01:38:02,612
Speaker 2: fit in there, and you've got to give leeway to

2016
01:38:02,692 --> 01:38:03,133
Speaker 2: someone like that.

2017
01:38:03,412 --> 01:38:05,932
Speaker 8: Yeah, maybe.

2018
01:38:06,053 --> 01:38:08,692
Speaker 9: I guess The other thing is we knew when you're

2019
01:38:08,732 --> 01:38:10,612
Speaker 9: the face of a business or you're a point of

2020
01:38:10,692 --> 01:38:14,852
Speaker 9: contact or something, and it's a new client, they don't

2021
01:38:14,893 --> 01:38:17,293
Speaker 9: really know you or what you do or how you

2022
01:38:17,452 --> 01:38:20,213
Speaker 9: do it. So I guess the presentation is a quite

2023
01:38:20,213 --> 01:38:23,652
Speaker 9: a large thing because you're supposed to make this person

2024
01:38:23,853 --> 01:38:28,092
Speaker 9: feel like they can trust you, And being in shorts

2025
01:38:28,133 --> 01:38:30,173
Speaker 9: doesn't necessarily mean you're not trusting.

2026
01:38:29,933 --> 01:38:33,652
Speaker 2: With you, but yeah, you know, it kind of says

2027
01:38:33,652 --> 01:38:36,372
Speaker 2: that you haven't made the effort to prove that you're trustworthy,

2028
01:38:36,492 --> 01:38:39,213
Speaker 2: if you know what I mean. I mean, And it's

2029
01:38:39,692 --> 01:38:42,412
Speaker 2: we all know it's a scam, like someone commits as

2030
01:38:42,412 --> 01:38:45,093
Speaker 2: a horrific crime, and then you see them in court

2031
01:38:45,173 --> 01:38:47,892
Speaker 2: and they're wearing a nice suit and they've got their haircut,

2032
01:38:48,452 --> 01:38:50,732
Speaker 2: and then you see the pictures of them earlier on

2033
01:38:51,013 --> 01:38:52,732
Speaker 2: and you're like, well, this is just a scam. You've

2034
01:38:52,812 --> 01:38:54,852
Speaker 2: dressed them person nicely up to trick us. Yeah, and

2035
01:38:54,933 --> 01:38:56,852
Speaker 2: that's kind of what we do by dressing nicely is

2036
01:38:57,173 --> 01:38:59,412
Speaker 2: we're saying to people that we're we're trying to present

2037
01:38:59,492 --> 01:39:01,173
Speaker 2: that we're amazing. You could be a terrible person, you

2038
01:39:01,173 --> 01:39:02,772
Speaker 2: could be useless at your job. You could just be

2039
01:39:02,853 --> 01:39:05,772
Speaker 2: good at dressing. You know, you could just be good

2040
01:39:05,812 --> 01:39:10,173
Speaker 2: to just be fashionable. Oh, here we go looking out there.

2041
01:39:10,213 --> 01:39:11,652
Speaker 2: We've got some short we've got some shorts in the

2042
01:39:11,692 --> 01:39:14,213
Speaker 2: office out there in studio B the man himself and

2043
01:39:14,333 --> 01:39:15,052
Speaker 2: that's Liam.

2044
01:39:15,173 --> 01:39:18,692
Speaker 3: He you know, goes back to competence. That Liam is competent.

2045
01:39:18,812 --> 01:39:21,133
Speaker 3: He's a good tiki, he's a good man. He's coming

2046
01:39:21,173 --> 01:39:23,772
Speaker 3: in here and he's got the shorts on. And Liam,

2047
01:39:23,853 --> 01:39:26,012
Speaker 3: you never wear pants. I don't even think you own pants,

2048
01:39:26,093 --> 01:39:26,253
Speaker 3: do you?

2049
01:39:26,652 --> 01:39:30,852
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I honestly I do own a pair of pants,

2050
01:39:30,893 --> 01:39:33,813
Speaker 2: but I don't wear them often, only in formal occasions.

2051
01:39:33,893 --> 01:39:36,253
Speaker 2: But those legs are great to be a crime crime

2052
01:39:36,293 --> 01:39:37,812
Speaker 2: if you didn't share those stand up.

2053
01:39:38,053 --> 01:39:39,933
Speaker 3: So you've got a nice tean going on, and you

2054
01:39:40,013 --> 01:39:42,972
Speaker 3: know they're pretty hairy, but it's beautiful, mate, but good

2055
01:39:43,013 --> 01:39:45,653
Speaker 3: pins on them. Who looks at people's legs.

2056
01:39:45,652 --> 01:39:48,532
Speaker 2: Well, well I've been I've been looking at your legs

2057
01:39:48,532 --> 01:39:48,772
Speaker 2: a lot.

2058
01:39:49,732 --> 01:39:53,973
Speaker 3: Great legs, everyone does, Liam, Yeah, thank you very much mate. Hey,

2059
01:39:54,013 --> 01:39:55,532
Speaker 3: then nice shorts. By the way, where are they from?

2060
01:39:56,652 --> 01:39:56,932
Speaker 11: Okay?

2061
01:39:56,973 --> 01:40:01,732
Speaker 3: Yeahd tight right, that is where we'll leave it because

2062
01:40:01,732 --> 01:40:04,612
Speaker 3: we've got Joe Dobson standing by. But that was a

2063
01:40:04,652 --> 01:40:07,532
Speaker 3: great chat, Thank you very much. There is twenty five

2064
01:40:07,612 --> 01:40:08,493
Speaker 3: minutes before.

2065
01:40:10,173 --> 01:40:13,293
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

2066
01:40:13,492 --> 01:40:17,293
Speaker 1: and everything in between. That Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

2067
01:40:17,532 --> 01:40:19,732
Speaker 1: you for twenty twenty four used talks there'd be.

2068
01:40:20,013 --> 01:40:22,892
Speaker 2: It is twenty three to four continuing our great New Zealanders,

2069
01:40:22,933 --> 01:40:25,372
Speaker 2: a Christmas series. Everyone knows Jude Dobson. She became a

2070
01:40:25,412 --> 01:40:28,972
Speaker 2: familiar television presence in the nineteen nineties after Quiz Show

2071
01:40:29,013 --> 01:40:30,852
Speaker 2: Sale of the Century. She went on to holme almost

2072
01:40:30,893 --> 01:40:33,572
Speaker 2: one thousand episodes of five point thirty with Jude Wow

2073
01:40:33,772 --> 01:40:35,852
Speaker 2: and its follow up. For the past six years she's

2074
01:40:35,893 --> 01:40:38,213
Speaker 2: been researching, writing, producing and directing World War One and

2075
01:40:38,293 --> 01:40:41,213
Speaker 2: World War II content, and this year she released a book,

2076
01:40:41,532 --> 01:40:44,293
Speaker 2: The Last Secret Agent. My Life is a Spy behind

2077
01:40:44,412 --> 01:40:48,133
Speaker 2: Nazi Lines with the last surviving World War two British spy.

2078
01:40:48,532 --> 01:40:51,572
Speaker 2: It's the real, untold story of Pipolatour's time as a

2079
01:40:51,612 --> 01:40:54,173
Speaker 2: secret agent in the deadly world of Nazi France. The

2080
01:40:54,213 --> 01:40:56,293
Speaker 2: book has been a smash hit here in New Zealand,

2081
01:40:56,812 --> 01:40:59,973
Speaker 2: been reprinted four times and in Australia, and has been

2082
01:41:00,053 --> 01:41:02,372
Speaker 2: released in the UK and is coming out in the

2083
01:41:02,532 --> 01:41:06,653
Speaker 2: US A and May next year. I believe Jude, congratulations

2084
01:41:06,692 --> 01:41:09,333
Speaker 2: on your huge success this year. Surprised at how well

2085
01:41:09,372 --> 01:41:10,892
Speaker 2: the book was wenton was received.

2086
01:41:10,973 --> 01:41:13,093
Speaker 22: I hadn't actually thought about how well it would go.

2087
01:41:13,213 --> 01:41:15,932
Speaker 22: It was just such a birth. The pregnancy and birth

2088
01:41:16,053 --> 01:41:19,852
Speaker 22: was quite painful. But Pippa's story is amazing, and I'm

2089
01:41:19,893 --> 01:41:22,133
Speaker 22: so pleased for her. She's no longer with us, of course,

2090
01:41:22,133 --> 01:41:23,692
Speaker 22: but I'm really pleased for her that I could help

2091
01:41:23,732 --> 01:41:25,133
Speaker 22: her bring that to life.

2092
01:41:25,333 --> 01:41:27,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I am.

2093
01:41:27,372 --> 01:41:29,412
Speaker 22: I secretly thought it might go okay because when I

2094
01:41:29,492 --> 01:41:30,173
Speaker 22: started talking to.

2095
01:41:30,173 --> 01:41:32,492
Speaker 2: Her way, Yeah, this is quite amazing. Yeah, because it

2096
01:41:32,532 --> 01:41:35,092
Speaker 2: was a story that you know, when you came across

2097
01:41:35,133 --> 01:41:37,693
Speaker 2: her and first started talking to her. It's quite amazing

2098
01:41:37,812 --> 01:41:40,652
Speaker 2: that the story exists and exists here in New Zealand.

2099
01:41:40,853 --> 01:41:43,253
Speaker 2: So the fact that it actually exists was amazing. And

2100
01:41:43,333 --> 01:41:46,212
Speaker 2: then the execution of her story about you was fantastic,

2101
01:41:46,333 --> 01:41:49,053
Speaker 2: but fantastic that you found it.

2102
01:41:49,253 --> 01:41:49,452
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2103
01:41:49,652 --> 01:41:53,492
Speaker 22: I was researching some World War II Aviators in twenty nineteen,

2104
01:41:53,692 --> 01:41:56,293
Speaker 22: and she was introduced to me and I said, oh, God,

2105
01:41:56,293 --> 01:41:57,812
Speaker 22: should be great if you told your story one day,

2106
01:41:57,853 --> 01:42:00,333
Speaker 22: and she said, gave me that look like that's never happening.

2107
01:42:00,772 --> 01:42:04,973
Speaker 22: But she did tell her story with not a lot

2108
01:42:04,973 --> 01:42:07,213
Speaker 22: of runway left at one hundred and one. Yeah, and

2109
01:42:08,412 --> 01:42:12,213
Speaker 22: I secured a publishing deal for her, So I just

2110
01:42:12,293 --> 01:42:13,812
Speaker 22: want to make that clear. The royalties and I go

2111
01:42:13,933 --> 01:42:16,253
Speaker 22: my way, they all go to Hipper or her estate.

2112
01:42:16,412 --> 01:42:18,932
Speaker 22: So and she didn't have a lot to her name.

2113
01:42:19,333 --> 01:42:21,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what was that first sit down with Piper?

2114
01:42:21,893 --> 01:42:26,532
Speaker 22: Like, oh, well there before we got to that stage. Yeah,

2115
01:42:26,572 --> 01:42:28,492
Speaker 22: the first sit down you mean when we sat down

2116
01:42:28,492 --> 01:42:29,933
Speaker 22: to chat, you're no really good? She was up for it.

2117
01:42:30,173 --> 01:42:30,372
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2118
01:42:30,572 --> 01:42:32,812
Speaker 22: Yeah, she had a task and she wanted to do it.

2119
01:42:32,933 --> 01:42:36,133
Speaker 22: And it was a bit like once she'd decided, it

2120
01:42:36,253 --> 01:42:38,372
Speaker 22: was all good. I mean I had some rules around

2121
01:42:38,652 --> 01:42:41,213
Speaker 22: rules of engagement, yes, you know, not more than sort

2122
01:42:41,213 --> 01:42:43,612
Speaker 22: of nineteen minutes. She was one one hundred and one then,

2123
01:42:44,372 --> 01:42:47,132
Speaker 22: and I had to go between the dove feeding times

2124
01:42:47,853 --> 01:42:49,532
Speaker 22: and one day I was late, and of course she

2125
01:42:49,612 --> 01:42:53,333
Speaker 22: didn't have a there's no data there, I mean, your

2126
01:42:53,372 --> 01:42:56,492
Speaker 22: phone goes to SOS my wife, I know data, so

2127
01:42:56,612 --> 01:42:58,492
Speaker 22: if I'm late, I couldn't run context.

2128
01:42:58,652 --> 01:43:02,053
Speaker 2: So for people that don't know the situation, she's she's

2129
01:43:02,093 --> 01:43:02,652
Speaker 2: set up.

2130
01:43:04,053 --> 01:43:08,173
Speaker 22: Very remotely, yes, in Henderson Valley. Yeah, and very remote,

2131
01:43:08,333 --> 01:43:09,172
Speaker 22: seventeen hectares.

2132
01:43:09,732 --> 01:43:13,333
Speaker 2: No no note, no, no, no WiFi, no five G.

2133
01:43:13,692 --> 01:43:14,333
Speaker 22: No, none of that.

2134
01:43:14,652 --> 01:43:14,812
Speaker 23: Yeah.

2135
01:43:14,893 --> 01:43:16,253
Speaker 22: So it was quite It was quite love and my

2136
01:43:16,293 --> 01:43:18,812
Speaker 22: phone would just sort of disappear. And if I was

2137
01:43:18,933 --> 01:43:21,012
Speaker 22: if I got to travel a couple of times last

2138
01:43:21,093 --> 01:43:23,012
Speaker 22: year with the World War One museum I was working

2139
01:43:23,093 --> 01:43:26,173
Speaker 22: on in France, and so I would the first time,

2140
01:43:26,253 --> 01:43:28,492
Speaker 22: silly may I thought, oh, yes, I'll show her all

2141
01:43:28,492 --> 01:43:30,532
Speaker 22: the videos and the photos, and I went not, it's

2142
01:43:30,572 --> 01:43:32,532
Speaker 22: all in the cloud. So before i'd visit, I'd have

2143
01:43:32,612 --> 01:43:34,412
Speaker 22: to download everything to my laptop. And it was so

2144
01:43:34,612 --> 01:43:38,053
Speaker 22: lovely to see her go oh yep, no, that's my village. Yeah,

2145
01:43:38,093 --> 01:43:40,772
Speaker 22: oh yeah, And I remember that it was really visually

2146
01:43:40,853 --> 01:43:43,732
Speaker 22: it was beautiful for her, just to watch her see

2147
01:43:43,772 --> 01:43:45,253
Speaker 22: it all and and remember.

2148
01:43:45,133 --> 01:43:49,052
Speaker 3: And when did her family find out about her clandestine life?

2149
01:43:49,213 --> 01:43:52,412
Speaker 22: Early? Yeah, about twenty years ago. Wow, and she was

2150
01:43:52,412 --> 01:43:55,532
Speaker 22: in the acies then, so something you know, people knew

2151
01:43:55,853 --> 01:43:59,532
Speaker 22: of her. I mean, she's I found a wonderful researcher

2152
01:43:59,572 --> 01:44:01,772
Speaker 22: in the UK. He knew all about her. They knew

2153
01:44:01,893 --> 01:44:04,532
Speaker 22: of her, but she didn't tell her family. And there

2154
01:44:04,572 --> 01:44:07,732
Speaker 22: were certainly the SAS and Defense knew here her here

2155
01:44:08,612 --> 01:44:10,412
Speaker 22: for marvelous. They go out and clean up her house

2156
01:44:10,452 --> 01:44:12,893
Speaker 22: every couple of years, twice a year. Yeah, but no,

2157
01:44:12,933 --> 01:44:15,532
Speaker 22: I foundly didn't know. She's pretty. As she said, this

2158
01:44:15,692 --> 01:44:19,052
Speaker 22: is nobody's business but my own, my war, my story.

2159
01:44:19,133 --> 01:44:21,173
Speaker 22: I don't need to tell it until she did.

2160
01:44:22,973 --> 01:44:25,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, because for us we find the whole thing interesting

2161
01:44:25,772 --> 01:44:27,772
Speaker 2: and exciting. But for a long time for her, you know,

2162
01:44:27,853 --> 01:44:29,452
Speaker 2: that was something she did, and then she came back

2163
01:44:29,492 --> 01:44:31,692
Speaker 2: and had other parts of her life and children and

2164
01:44:31,853 --> 01:44:34,532
Speaker 2: then sort of kind of I don't know. There's some

2165
01:44:34,612 --> 01:44:36,973
Speaker 2: people that just we'll want to talk about it the

2166
01:44:37,013 --> 01:44:38,973
Speaker 2: whole time over drinks, and there's some people that just

2167
01:44:39,013 --> 01:44:40,452
Speaker 2: want to pine them for a while.

2168
01:44:40,692 --> 01:44:42,173
Speaker 22: Correct she was the latter.

2169
01:44:42,692 --> 01:44:43,213
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2170
01:44:43,492 --> 01:44:46,612
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness that you that you got to talk

2171
01:44:46,652 --> 01:44:49,333
Speaker 2: to her, and so close to the end, as you say,

2172
01:44:49,412 --> 01:44:52,133
Speaker 2: because yeah, lucky me. It's fantastic that the story got

2173
01:44:52,173 --> 01:44:52,492
Speaker 2: out there.

2174
01:44:52,612 --> 01:44:55,652
Speaker 22: Yeah. No, I feel extremely privileged, Matt. They have talked

2175
01:44:55,652 --> 01:44:57,172
Speaker 22: to her. Yeah, pretty fortunate.

2176
01:44:57,492 --> 01:44:59,932
Speaker 3: Just a little bit about the the intro of Pippa

2177
01:45:00,452 --> 01:45:04,933
Speaker 3: parachuting into the danger zone and obviously she put herself

2178
01:45:04,973 --> 01:45:07,253
Speaker 3: in this immense danger and she was selected because she

2179
01:45:07,372 --> 01:45:10,213
Speaker 3: was fluent in fre inch and she had those coding skills.

2180
01:45:10,293 --> 01:45:12,852
Speaker 3: But she had to come up with some pretty ingenious

2181
01:45:12,933 --> 01:45:15,013
Speaker 3: ways to get the messages back to the allies, didn't she.

2182
01:45:15,372 --> 01:45:17,612
Speaker 22: Are you talking about her coding? Yes, yeah, yeah, well

2183
01:45:18,053 --> 01:45:21,932
Speaker 22: the way her silk code. She They're like a size

2184
01:45:21,973 --> 01:45:24,652
Speaker 22: of a handkerchief really, and so she had decided to

2185
01:45:24,692 --> 01:45:28,173
Speaker 22: put them into an old shoelace which was flat in

2186
01:45:28,213 --> 01:45:30,932
Speaker 22: those days, and then stuffed them in with a knitting

2187
01:45:31,013 --> 01:45:33,173
Speaker 22: needle and then use that as a hair tie because

2188
01:45:33,173 --> 01:45:35,372
Speaker 22: of course, you know, you're not having pretty ribbons back

2189
01:45:35,412 --> 01:45:38,573
Speaker 22: in the day, and she was her alias was a schoolgirl,

2190
01:45:38,652 --> 01:45:41,293
Speaker 22: so it was quite normal to have some knitting and

2191
01:45:42,133 --> 01:45:43,612
Speaker 22: you know that that is a hair tie.

2192
01:45:43,772 --> 01:45:46,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's how she had them.

2193
01:45:46,692 --> 01:45:51,572
Speaker 22: Yeah, surely only once almost got them discovered when she

2194
01:45:51,692 --> 01:45:53,852
Speaker 22: got strip search, but they didn't think to look at that.

2195
01:45:53,933 --> 01:45:55,133
Speaker 3: But yeah, incredible.

2196
01:45:55,213 --> 01:45:58,852
Speaker 2: The bravery of it is what blows me away. And

2197
01:45:58,973 --> 01:46:01,572
Speaker 2: you know, you wonder who has that bravery in them?

2198
01:46:01,652 --> 01:46:03,652
Speaker 2: I know, I wouldn't have that bravery in me.

2199
01:46:04,492 --> 01:46:07,452
Speaker 22: A different time though, you know, although a world might

2200
01:46:07,532 --> 01:46:08,492
Speaker 22: be changing, gets.

2201
01:46:09,933 --> 01:46:09,973
Speaker 17: It.

2202
01:46:11,133 --> 01:46:14,293
Speaker 22: I think, I think we've had a whole couple of generations.

2203
01:46:14,333 --> 01:46:15,732
Speaker 22: I mean, I look at our children.

2204
01:46:16,452 --> 01:46:17,253
Speaker 2: You know, peace.

2205
01:46:18,532 --> 01:46:21,173
Speaker 22: Had peace for decades. They haven't known Europe at war,

2206
01:46:21,213 --> 01:46:24,133
Speaker 22: have they? None of them? So and that generation is

2207
01:46:24,213 --> 01:46:25,333
Speaker 22: just dying off that remember it?

2208
01:46:26,333 --> 01:46:27,973
Speaker 3: And what was it like for you when you went

2209
01:46:28,093 --> 01:46:31,053
Speaker 3: over there last year? I believe to visit these locations

2210
01:46:31,093 --> 01:46:33,652
Speaker 3: and find more information about Purple? What was that like

2211
01:46:33,732 --> 01:46:33,893
Speaker 3: for you?

2212
01:46:34,253 --> 01:46:37,772
Speaker 22: Extraordinary? Our schoolgirl French was utter rubbish, but I took

2213
01:46:37,853 --> 01:46:40,012
Speaker 22: photos of her and managed her in this little village.

2214
01:46:40,013 --> 01:46:42,372
Speaker 22: They remembered her. And the piece of gold for me

2215
01:46:42,612 --> 01:46:45,293
Speaker 22: was going to the village they sent me. The chaps

2216
01:46:45,333 --> 01:46:48,492
Speaker 22: on the batonk Court sent me five kilometers Sola met

2217
01:46:49,812 --> 01:46:51,812
Speaker 22: what it was five kilometers, you know?

2218
01:46:51,933 --> 01:46:52,093
Speaker 5: Left.

2219
01:46:52,532 --> 01:46:54,612
Speaker 22: I got to this little library and there was a

2220
01:46:55,053 --> 01:47:00,013
Speaker 22: book there that the man who has her touched on

2221
01:47:00,173 --> 01:47:02,492
Speaker 22: on the ground his safe house, her safe house. He

2222
01:47:02,532 --> 01:47:05,253
Speaker 22: had written a memoir and written all the dates of

2223
01:47:05,492 --> 01:47:08,053
Speaker 22: exactly what happened, and her name was in it. And

2224
01:47:08,133 --> 01:47:10,692
Speaker 22: so I went, hey, Peppa, you know those stories you

2225
01:47:10,772 --> 01:47:13,412
Speaker 22: tell me and you don't know what time they are bingo,

2226
01:47:13,772 --> 01:47:17,093
Speaker 22: I have it all. So that was just I mean,

2227
01:47:17,372 --> 01:47:20,053
Speaker 22: I don't believe in another force, but there was something

2228
01:47:20,093 --> 01:47:21,892
Speaker 22: there that went, yeah, hey, I can help you out.

2229
01:47:22,013 --> 01:47:22,652
Speaker 3: That's incredible.

2230
01:47:22,933 --> 01:47:25,652
Speaker 2: We're talking to Jude Dobson, author of The Secret Agent

2231
01:47:25,772 --> 01:47:29,052
Speaker 2: My Life is a Spy Behind Nazi Lines, the story

2232
01:47:29,213 --> 01:47:32,612
Speaker 2: of Purpola Tours. We're now for the book, so it's

2233
01:47:32,692 --> 01:47:35,892
Speaker 2: coming out in the US and may we got further

2234
01:47:35,973 --> 01:47:36,572
Speaker 2: plans for it.

2235
01:47:37,652 --> 01:47:43,293
Speaker 22: Well, I have secured the option on film because I

2236
01:47:43,372 --> 01:47:45,333
Speaker 22: would like to have a go at that. And I'm

2237
01:47:45,452 --> 01:47:48,052
Speaker 22: learning how to do a screenplay, which is a different discipline.

2238
01:47:48,053 --> 01:47:49,732
Speaker 22: And hey, look we've all got to scare ourselves and

2239
01:47:49,853 --> 01:47:52,772
Speaker 22: learn new things. But I've very visualized what I quite

2240
01:47:52,933 --> 01:47:55,053
Speaker 22: like in this film. So I need to find a

2241
01:47:55,093 --> 01:47:56,572
Speaker 22: big film fish.

2242
01:47:57,013 --> 01:47:58,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, who wants to talk to me?

2243
01:47:59,772 --> 01:48:02,692
Speaker 22: And yeah, get on with doing that. I'd love to

2244
01:48:02,772 --> 01:48:05,532
Speaker 22: make that film with somebody that knows more than me

2245
01:48:05,612 --> 01:48:06,133
Speaker 22: about film.

2246
01:48:06,213 --> 01:48:07,933
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you should say visualize that because I

2247
01:48:07,973 --> 01:48:10,213
Speaker 2: was just like this podcast with Quentin Tarantino and he

2248
01:48:10,293 --> 01:48:14,412
Speaker 2: said the difference between film executives and filmmakers is that

2249
01:48:14,572 --> 01:48:17,933
Speaker 2: the film maker has already visualized the film. I sure have,

2250
01:48:18,133 --> 01:48:20,133
Speaker 2: so they can answer the questions because they've kind of

2251
01:48:20,213 --> 01:48:20,812
Speaker 2: already seen it.

2252
01:48:21,013 --> 01:48:24,532
Speaker 22: Yeah, I've already put a drone up and got the

2253
01:48:24,652 --> 01:48:27,372
Speaker 22: car going through there. I've got the doves, I've got

2254
01:48:27,412 --> 01:48:30,333
Speaker 22: the care on the roof. I've got some things in

2255
01:48:30,412 --> 01:48:30,732
Speaker 22: my head.

2256
01:48:30,973 --> 01:48:34,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh brilliant. Well, we'll just take a little bit

2257
01:48:34,213 --> 01:48:36,333
Speaker 2: of a break here and if you can stick around, dude,

2258
01:48:36,333 --> 01:48:39,013
Speaker 2: that would be great, and we'll ask you some questions

2259
01:48:39,492 --> 01:48:41,612
Speaker 2: about your Christmas coming up for sure.

2260
01:48:42,093 --> 01:48:45,452
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2261
01:48:45,812 --> 01:48:49,492
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons You

2262
01:48:49,692 --> 01:48:52,612
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four US Talk Dead Bad.

2263
01:48:52,173 --> 01:48:56,093
Speaker 3: B News Talk zed B. We are talking to Juke

2264
01:48:56,173 --> 01:48:59,852
Speaker 3: Dobson as part of our great New Zealanders of Christmas series. Jude,

2265
01:48:59,853 --> 01:49:01,053
Speaker 3: thanks again feving a chat with us.

2266
01:49:01,093 --> 01:49:01,893
Speaker 22: Oh, thanks for having me.

2267
01:49:02,093 --> 01:49:03,972
Speaker 3: So what does Christmas look like for you this year?

2268
01:49:04,412 --> 01:49:06,932
Speaker 22: Well, our two big kids are flying back in from

2269
01:49:06,973 --> 01:49:09,612
Speaker 22: the States. So that's my best, isn't I'm tracking them

2270
01:49:09,612 --> 01:49:10,572
Speaker 22: on flat for flight.

2271
01:49:10,452 --> 01:49:13,333
Speaker 3: Radar as we speak. Yeah, and what part of the

2272
01:49:13,372 --> 01:49:15,253
Speaker 3: will there and they're in American in America?

2273
01:49:15,293 --> 01:49:16,212
Speaker 2: Ye, yeah, fantastic.

2274
01:49:16,412 --> 01:49:17,012
Speaker 3: They're beautiful.

2275
01:49:17,293 --> 01:49:19,652
Speaker 2: All right, this is a key question. Best Christmas song

2276
01:49:19,772 --> 01:49:20,812
Speaker 2: and best Christmas movie?

2277
01:49:22,053 --> 01:49:25,173
Speaker 22: Oh well, driving home for Christmas always makes me a

2278
01:49:25,293 --> 01:49:29,052
Speaker 22: little bit teary. Yeah, it's so beautiful. I like songs

2279
01:49:29,053 --> 01:49:31,293
Speaker 22: that are beautiful to listen to lyrically and also have

2280
01:49:31,412 --> 01:49:31,772
Speaker 22: some meaning.

2281
01:49:32,213 --> 01:49:34,213
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was talking you about this yesterday. That piano

2282
01:49:34,333 --> 01:49:39,133
Speaker 2: line and the chorus so good. Yeah, to play it,

2283
01:49:39,293 --> 01:49:41,213
Speaker 2: and that last line he looks over at the guy,

2284
01:49:41,652 --> 01:49:42,972
Speaker 2: he goes, he's just the same.

2285
01:49:43,532 --> 01:49:44,452
Speaker 4: That's such a great life.

2286
01:49:44,612 --> 01:49:45,572
Speaker 22: That's such a great life.

2287
01:49:45,652 --> 01:49:48,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, this might be a hard question, Jude, but the

2288
01:49:48,812 --> 01:49:51,293
Speaker 3: best piece of advice you think you've had this year?

2289
01:49:51,933 --> 01:49:55,652
Speaker 22: Oh, I keep it. I have my mother in my

2290
01:49:55,772 --> 01:49:59,293
Speaker 22: head actually because I've lost my mum and her advice

2291
01:49:59,333 --> 01:50:03,772
Speaker 22: always rings true on anything. It's this, too shall pass,

2292
01:50:03,893 --> 01:50:05,812
Speaker 22: which can be a little bit of a hackneyed expression,

2293
01:50:06,213 --> 01:50:08,213
Speaker 22: but you know people often think about that as oh,

2294
01:50:08,372 --> 01:50:10,572
Speaker 22: it's hard moment, you know it's going to pass. I

2295
01:50:10,612 --> 01:50:12,973
Speaker 22: remember when our kids were little, she'd often say that

2296
01:50:13,013 --> 01:50:14,772
Speaker 22: to me. But actually is the flip side of that,

2297
01:50:15,572 --> 01:50:17,772
Speaker 22: which is when times are really good, they passed too.

2298
01:50:18,492 --> 01:50:21,452
Speaker 22: So just trying to stay in the moment with what

2299
01:50:21,532 --> 01:50:25,333
Speaker 22: you're doing and being in it, because it doesn't last.

2300
01:50:25,452 --> 01:50:27,812
Speaker 22: Nothing lasts, and the only constant and that's the only

2301
01:50:27,853 --> 01:50:29,692
Speaker 22: constant in life has changed. And often say that to

2302
01:50:29,772 --> 01:50:32,812
Speaker 22: our young adult children, you know, just at all of us.

2303
01:50:32,853 --> 01:50:35,093
Speaker 22: I mean, I've got nothing lined up in the way

2304
01:50:35,093 --> 01:50:36,812
Speaker 22: of media next year, so I have to go, oh,

2305
01:50:37,093 --> 01:50:39,812
Speaker 22: that's right, my own advice. Life constantly changed.

2306
01:50:39,893 --> 01:50:42,253
Speaker 3: It's really nice, so true.

2307
01:50:42,293 --> 01:50:43,492
Speaker 2: That's so true.

2308
01:50:43,492 --> 01:50:43,612
Speaker 8: Though.

2309
01:50:43,612 --> 01:50:45,732
Speaker 2: If you're going through a difficult time, it will pass.

2310
01:50:45,853 --> 01:50:47,892
Speaker 2: But if you're going through a good time, that'll pass.

2311
01:50:48,053 --> 01:50:48,893
Speaker 2: So enjoy that.

2312
01:50:50,053 --> 01:50:52,412
Speaker 22: And I think our role as fellow human beings is

2313
01:50:52,532 --> 01:50:55,253
Speaker 22: to be cognizant of that, and especially at this time

2314
01:50:55,293 --> 01:50:57,612
Speaker 22: that you just reach out to people, you know, it's

2315
01:50:57,612 --> 01:51:00,852
Speaker 22: a bit I get a bit over the think, oh, family, friends,

2316
01:51:00,893 --> 01:51:02,452
Speaker 22: have a lovely Christmas. A lot of people don't have

2317
01:51:02,492 --> 01:51:05,012
Speaker 22: a lovely Christmas because they don't have family or friends.

2318
01:51:05,093 --> 01:51:08,692
Speaker 22: So we we've often had waives and strays, which are

2319
01:51:08,772 --> 01:51:14,213
Speaker 22: really fun Christmas. It's divorces whatever, you know, people on

2320
01:51:14,253 --> 01:51:16,012
Speaker 22: their own it's lovely.

2321
01:51:16,652 --> 01:51:18,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is a huge thing. I was just

2322
01:51:18,532 --> 01:51:21,772
Speaker 2: watching the Christmas Carol, you know that, and yeah, great,

2323
01:51:21,893 --> 01:51:23,692
Speaker 2: and you know one of the best moments of that book.

2324
01:51:23,772 --> 01:51:25,692
Speaker 2: I love the book, but as when you know, when

2325
01:51:25,732 --> 01:51:28,173
Speaker 2: Scrooge goes around to his nephew's house and there's that

2326
01:51:28,333 --> 01:51:30,532
Speaker 2: moment whether they're going to accept it, and then they

2327
01:51:30,652 --> 01:51:33,013
Speaker 2: just go, yeah and bring in because even though he's

2328
01:51:33,013 --> 01:51:35,333
Speaker 2: been a deck, he's on his own. And then so

2329
01:51:35,372 --> 01:51:38,093
Speaker 2: they welcome him into that house. That's there's a great moment.

2330
01:51:38,333 --> 01:51:40,492
Speaker 22: Oh, I didn't say. My movie Polar Express and there's

2331
01:51:40,532 --> 01:51:42,412
Speaker 22: little lots of little lovely moments and the you know,

2332
01:51:42,532 --> 01:51:44,893
Speaker 22: like little Billy the kid who's a bit shy and

2333
01:51:45,772 --> 01:51:46,852
Speaker 22: have the other kids still bring.

2334
01:51:46,812 --> 01:51:47,333
Speaker 16: Him on board.

2335
01:51:47,732 --> 01:51:54,652
Speaker 2: Also also a motion capture Christmas movie direct by the

2336
01:51:54,692 --> 01:51:56,692
Speaker 2: same as the Christmas Carol movie I was just talking about.

2337
01:51:56,732 --> 01:52:00,253
Speaker 2: So yeah, there you go, Yeah, you're go, And look,

2338
01:52:00,333 --> 01:52:02,492
Speaker 2: he's a difficult, difficult question, isn't it. You got a

2339
01:52:02,532 --> 01:52:05,092
Speaker 2: message for New Zealand for twenty twenty five because everyone's

2340
01:52:05,133 --> 01:52:06,973
Speaker 2: doing and survived to twenty twenty five, there's a lot

2341
01:52:07,013 --> 01:52:09,973
Speaker 2: of grimness going. But you've got a message for us

2342
01:52:10,013 --> 01:52:10,972
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five.

2343
01:52:11,372 --> 01:52:12,612
Speaker 22: Well, I think it probably goes with the one I

2344
01:52:12,692 --> 01:52:15,133
Speaker 22: was just saying about, you know, thinking about Christmas because

2345
01:52:15,213 --> 01:52:16,973
Speaker 22: Christmas is just one day. But I do think that

2346
01:52:17,133 --> 01:52:23,133
Speaker 22: thing of well, actually, resilience is the thing, but in

2347
01:52:23,213 --> 01:52:25,892
Speaker 22: looking out for your fellow man. I know that sounds

2348
01:52:26,093 --> 01:52:27,852
Speaker 22: a bit ridiculous and a bit cheesy, you know, great

2349
01:52:27,893 --> 01:52:30,812
Speaker 22: some cheese on top of that, But I learned this

2350
01:52:30,893 --> 01:52:32,772
Speaker 22: from Peppery actually, and I've learned it in some of

2351
01:52:33,253 --> 01:52:35,772
Speaker 22: the child development stuff I've done. Resilience is it also

2352
01:52:35,772 --> 01:52:37,652
Speaker 22: a bit of a thing. People go, oh, that means

2353
01:52:37,732 --> 01:52:40,572
Speaker 22: hard enough, get them out there. Well, that's tough enough. Actually,

2354
01:52:40,612 --> 01:52:43,492
Speaker 22: if you're resilient, that means you have people in your corner,

2355
01:52:44,293 --> 01:52:46,532
Speaker 22: and actually that's one makes you resilient. You've got someone

2356
01:52:46,812 --> 01:52:49,772
Speaker 22: that you can always talk to and say things are

2357
01:52:49,772 --> 01:52:52,092
Speaker 22: a bit tough, and that actually gives you enough confidence

2358
01:52:52,173 --> 01:52:56,652
Speaker 22: to give things a crack. So I'd say just think

2359
01:52:56,692 --> 01:52:58,492
Speaker 22: about the people around you and what can you do.

2360
01:52:58,933 --> 01:53:01,732
Speaker 22: Service is a funny, old fashioned expression, but what service

2361
01:53:01,812 --> 01:53:03,173
Speaker 22: can you be to other people?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you think about your life and how

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01:53:05,532 --> 01:53:08,293
Speaker 2: hard it may be, and for some people is very hard,

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01:53:08,572 --> 01:53:10,492
Speaker 2: and others of us make it harder than it needs

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01:53:10,492 --> 01:53:12,092
Speaker 2: to be. But you might want to think about Piper.

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01:53:12,173 --> 01:53:16,532
Speaker 2: Behind the hind enemy lines are risking your life for

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Speaker 2: something that she believed in and needed to be done.

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01:53:19,572 --> 01:53:21,893
Speaker 2: And not all of us have to do that, so

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Speaker 2: maybe we should do little bits of that if we can,

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01:53:24,612 --> 01:53:27,333
Speaker 2: and whatever way it manifests in our lives, we need a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of that next year. Yeah, fantastic. Well, Jude, lovely

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Speaker 3: chatting with you and thank you very much. Have a

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01:53:32,013 --> 01:53:34,253
Speaker 3: great Christmas you too, and we'll see again soon.

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Speaker 4: Okay, send me.

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Speaker 2: What a great new Zealander Jude Dobson is. Goodbye all right,

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Speaker 2: and we've got a copy of the Last Secret Agent,

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01:53:44,213 --> 01:53:47,132
Speaker 2: The Untold Story of my life as a spy behind

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01:53:47,452 --> 01:53:50,412
Speaker 2: Nazi enemy lines to give away Piper La Tour with

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Speaker 2: Jude Dobson, So just text Pipa to nine two nine

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Speaker 2: two and you could win a copy of this fantastic bocket.

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01:53:58,612 --> 01:54:00,173
Speaker 2: Is really a really good.

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01:54:00,093 --> 01:54:03,293
Speaker 3: Read, incredible story, a well that is asked for today.

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01:54:03,812 --> 01:54:06,012
Speaker 3: A great show today. I really enjoyed all the phone

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01:54:06,013 --> 01:54:07,652
Speaker 3: calls and texts we've got and we'll do it all

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01:54:07,692 --> 01:54:08,293
Speaker 3: again tomorrow.

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01:54:08,812 --> 01:54:10,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you missed any of it then our

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01:54:10,933 --> 01:54:14,852
Speaker 2: podcast will be out very soon. Until tomorrow. Give me

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01:54:14,853 --> 01:54:17,452
Speaker 2: a taste of Kiwi and this is a great Christmas

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01:54:17,492 --> 01:54:19,293
Speaker 2: song Cranky Chris Ray.

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Speaker 23: Moving down that line, and it's been so long, but

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01:54:29,053 --> 01:54:32,292
Speaker 23: I will be there, sing this song.

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01:54:34,093 --> 01:54:35,852
Speaker 16: To pass the time away.

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01:54:37,173 --> 01:54:46,333
Speaker 24: Driving in my car, driving home for Christmas, I'm gonna

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01:54:46,453 --> 01:54:49,013
Speaker 24: thanks some time, but I'll get the.

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01:54:51,733 --> 01:54:57,573
Speaker 16: Chump to join Tim Blacks or I got red light

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01:54:57,772 --> 01:55:07,293
Speaker 16: songs around, but will now be a free way? Can

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01:55:07,373 --> 01:55:09,613
Speaker 16: I be the Holy Crown?

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Speaker 7: Mo?

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Speaker 19: Are you.

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Speaker 6: More?

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01:55:16,973 --> 01:55:22,573
Speaker 16: You can't hear me when I get through? I'm say

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01:55:22,693 --> 01:55:23,493
Speaker 16: I can't hear me.

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01:55:27,533 --> 01:55:35,852
Speaker 17: I'm driving home for Christmas, Driving home for Christmas.

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01:55:37,933 --> 01:55:44,772
Speaker 16: With a thousand memory. I take a look at the

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01:55:44,933 --> 01:55:55,852
Speaker 16: driver next to me. He's just the same, just the same.

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01:56:17,053 --> 01:56:18,253
Speaker 16: Talk to ty to.

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01:56:21,373 --> 01:56:28,493
Speaker 17: Oh, I got red lights all around. I'm driving home

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01:56:28,613 --> 01:56:38,373
Speaker 17: for Christmas. Gem I feed on holy grounds?

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01:56:39,333 --> 01:56:39,733
Speaker 4: Who are you?

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01:56:41,973 --> 01:56:42,013
Speaker 12: No?

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01:56:42,293 --> 01:56:43,293
Speaker 16: You can you hear me?

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Speaker 4: When I get met Tyler

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Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever

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