1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 1: Just as we start to get some wins on the 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: board regarding education, unfortunately another education payoffer has been rejected. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: This time it's the primary principles who've turned down the 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: four point six percent pay rise. Robin Brown is the 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: principle of Bertuville School and a member of the NZI 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: negotiating team and with us morning. 7 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: Robin, good morning, how are you going? 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: Very well? Thank you? So is the sticking point here 9 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: the fifteen thousand dollars curriculum change allowance that the secondary 10 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: principles got, which you guys want as well. 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: Or yes particularly, I mean that is substantially more than 12 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: we were offered in our offer. 13 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: How much were you offered? 14 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: We weren't offered anything for curriculum, no correclum change at all. 15 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: Okay. Were you offered a professional learning and development fund 16 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: of ten thousand dollars. 17 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 2: We were, Yes, but that was not something that had 18 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: actually been put forward in our teams. 19 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: Okay, and ask that cool? And were you offered an 20 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: increase in the literacy and numerousy salary component of up 21 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: to eleven thousand dollars a year? 22 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that will be removed after two years, okay. 23 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: And you will also offered four point six percent pay rise. 24 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: Yep, which is still below the inflation rate, which has 25 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: time to mount to a cut in our in our 26 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: pay rise. 27 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so you've been offered up to twenty one thousand 28 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: dollars plus four point six percent, but you still want 29 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: another fifteen on top of that. 30 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: What we want is recognition for the unsustainable workload and 31 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: curriculum upheople that we're having to deal with at the moment. 32 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So if they say to you, if they so, 33 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 1: if they say to you, we recognize all your work, 34 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: you will take the offer. Or if they say to you, 35 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: we give you fifteen thousand dollars for recognizing all your work, 36 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: you'll take the offer. 37 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: We will take that offer out to our principles and 38 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: see whether they would be prepared to take that offer. 39 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: Robin. The reason I'm asking you this is that a 40 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: lot of money that you are asking. I mean, you 41 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: guys are basically asking for an increased payment of thirty 42 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: six thousand dollars plus four point six percent. No one 43 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: else gets that kind of money. 44 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: And I think what we're looking at is what has 45 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: been offered to secondary principles, and if we were made 46 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: an offer similar to that. We would have taken that 47 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: out to our principles at the moment, our principles do 48 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: not feel that the offer we've been given is fair 49 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: and it doesn't recognize the workload that we are having 50 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: to sustain at the moment. 51 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: Robin, I mean, I don't want to belist all the 52 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: good work you guys are doing, but aren't the secondary 53 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: principles actually dealing with greater curriculum upheaval than you guys 54 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: at primary level are. 55 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: That's a question that I've been asked hundreds of times, 56 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: and I'm sure any principles across the country will tell 57 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: you that the workloads for principles of Principles across the 58 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: country is huge. Whether you secondary or primary, the workload 59 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 2: is enormous. In primary, you have far few fewer people 60 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: in order to implement curriculum change. This is not a 61 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: competition between secondary and primary principles. This is a obligation 62 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: for our sector to be paid for the workload that 63 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: we're expected to be imployed. 64 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: Tell me what I am as say understanding here, because 65 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: for the secondary principles, I'm seeing that they are having 66 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: to overhaul the whole NCEEA system, which is massive across 67 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: a lot of subjects at quite a technical level at 68 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: the end of school, whereas for you guys, you're basically 69 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: introducing structured literacy and reading, structured literacy and maths, which 70 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: is basically simplifying what you're doing because it's very explicit 71 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: in what it tells you to do. You just have 72 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: to follow the manual plus an hour of reading, writing 73 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: and maths. Like if you compare those two things, the 74 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand is much more warranted at secondary level than 75 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: at primary, don't you think at the. 76 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: Moment we're now until i've heard reiteration of that curriculum. 77 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: We were dropped that curriculum in October for implementation, and 78 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: it is significantly different to the previous two curriculum drops 79 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: that we've had. We're having to change. We've not seen 80 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: an assessment component of it. We're waiting daily for updates. 81 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: We're getting updates on the last days of term. The 82 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: workload is huge. Reading, writing, maths are foundational. They are 83 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: what established the rest of the curriculum for the rest 84 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: of schooling through children's lives. You can't compare the difference 85 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: in that application across the school because not only are 86 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: we implementing those three core areas, we're also having to 87 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 2: look at the rest of the curriculum, which is all 88 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: being implemented the following year. So the workload is just 89 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 2: unsustainable and that is verified by the fact that we 90 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: know we've had nearly a thousand principles leave in the 91 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: last three years. 92 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: Right, Robert, thank you for tom I probably have to 93 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: leave it there. You have a lovely day. That's Robin Brown, 94 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: the principle of Virtuville School and member of member of 95 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: n z at eis negotiating team. 96 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 97 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: news talks. 98 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 99 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.