1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News Talk zed B. 3 00:00:13,107 --> 00:00:17,547 Speaker 2: Let's focus now on the Paralympics. It's winding up, wow, 4 00:00:17,667 --> 00:00:20,587 Speaker 2: and it has been fantastic. It really has been. I 5 00:00:20,627 --> 00:00:23,467 Speaker 2: hope you've caught some of the coverage blanket coverage on 6 00:00:23,587 --> 00:00:26,267 Speaker 2: TV and Z, which is where our next guest has 7 00:00:26,307 --> 00:00:29,147 Speaker 2: been spending a bit of her time. Eleven times Paralympic 8 00:00:29,307 --> 00:00:34,427 Speaker 2: gold medalist name Sophie pass Go. It's any well, isn't it, Sophie. Look, 9 00:00:34,467 --> 00:00:37,547 Speaker 2: we've we've got to talk about Anagramaldi. What a way 10 00:00:37,587 --> 00:00:41,027 Speaker 2: to sign off for Paralympics after well, such disappointment in 11 00:00:41,067 --> 00:00:41,667 Speaker 2: the long jump. 12 00:00:41,707 --> 00:00:46,427 Speaker 3: Yeah absolutely, I mean, look, she've ran that two hundred perfectly. 13 00:00:46,467 --> 00:00:50,867 Speaker 3: It was executed really well. And yeah, after I know, 14 00:00:51,107 --> 00:00:54,467 Speaker 3: her disappoint her personal home disappointment of the long jump 15 00:00:54,547 --> 00:00:56,827 Speaker 3: and not being able to get onto the POUM podium 16 00:00:56,907 --> 00:01:02,147 Speaker 3: or you know, retain her gold medal status from Tokyo 17 00:01:02,187 --> 00:01:05,347 Speaker 3: and Rio. Yeah, the pain she would have felt through 18 00:01:05,387 --> 00:01:07,827 Speaker 3: that and to be able to come back the following 19 00:01:07,947 --> 00:01:11,907 Speaker 3: day and to just execute a race the way she 20 00:01:11,987 --> 00:01:13,347 Speaker 3: did was phenomenal. 21 00:01:13,827 --> 00:01:16,787 Speaker 2: Well, revenge is a word she's used quite a lot. 22 00:01:16,947 --> 00:01:19,587 Speaker 2: Not revenge for the long jump, but revenge from the 23 00:01:19,627 --> 00:01:23,587 Speaker 2: two hundred meters, which hasn't treated her that well. That's 24 00:01:23,627 --> 00:01:27,267 Speaker 2: a long hell drive, isn't it an interesting one? 25 00:01:27,467 --> 00:01:27,707 Speaker 1: Yeah? 26 00:01:27,707 --> 00:01:29,987 Speaker 3: But I actually wouldn't be surprised. You know the fact 27 00:01:29,987 --> 00:01:32,587 Speaker 3: that she bought in the one hundred meters over this 28 00:01:32,827 --> 00:01:37,587 Speaker 3: past couple of years has actually contributed to that two 29 00:01:37,707 --> 00:01:41,067 Speaker 3: hundred meters. Usually we actually find that, you know, if 30 00:01:41,107 --> 00:01:43,747 Speaker 3: you are the two hundred, you know you've got another 31 00:01:43,867 --> 00:01:46,707 Speaker 3: hundred to go. Absolutely, but the training she would have 32 00:01:46,707 --> 00:01:49,547 Speaker 3: been doing for that hundred would have absolutely have, you know, 33 00:01:49,667 --> 00:01:54,947 Speaker 3: contributed to this. I mean, she ran the hundred gracefully 34 00:01:54,947 --> 00:01:59,147 Speaker 3: and beautifully as well. You know's she clearly says she's 35 00:01:59,147 --> 00:02:01,267 Speaker 3: not one hundred meter runner, but the fact that she 36 00:02:01,427 --> 00:02:04,267 Speaker 3: was able to obviously get a bronze and the hundred meters, 37 00:02:05,427 --> 00:02:09,507 Speaker 3: you know, a huge achievement to when you're not, you know, 38 00:02:09,627 --> 00:02:12,627 Speaker 3: so called one hundred meters sprinter. And then you know 39 00:02:12,667 --> 00:02:14,987 Speaker 3: the fact that yes she's you know, the two hundred, 40 00:02:15,347 --> 00:02:18,627 Speaker 3: it's revenge for her. But yeah, I would have I 41 00:02:18,627 --> 00:02:21,147 Speaker 3: would have absolutely have said this, the one hundred meters 42 00:02:21,147 --> 00:02:23,947 Speaker 3: would have the training for that would have contributed to 43 00:02:24,067 --> 00:02:25,547 Speaker 3: how well she executed this two. 44 00:02:25,467 --> 00:02:30,307 Speaker 2: Hundred Interesting with the athletes, every athlete I talked to 45 00:02:30,427 --> 00:02:34,747 Speaker 2: the Paralympics, it's all about PBS. It's not about winning medals. 46 00:02:34,827 --> 00:02:37,467 Speaker 2: That's quite the drive, isn't it. 47 00:02:38,347 --> 00:02:41,867 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean a personal best usually reflects obviously the 48 00:02:41,947 --> 00:02:45,947 Speaker 3: outcome of a medal, and especially if you have obviously 49 00:02:46,027 --> 00:02:49,787 Speaker 3: already gone into the games as the expected or the hunted, 50 00:02:50,787 --> 00:02:54,147 Speaker 3: because you know, your PB is usually reflected, you know, 51 00:02:54,227 --> 00:02:57,867 Speaker 3: within that top table or maybe there's Paralympic record next 52 00:02:57,867 --> 00:02:59,787 Speaker 3: to your name or a world record next to your name, 53 00:02:59,907 --> 00:03:02,867 Speaker 3: so you know, all you can ask of yourself on 54 00:03:02,947 --> 00:03:06,747 Speaker 3: the day is to give one hundred percent. And you know, 55 00:03:06,867 --> 00:03:10,307 Speaker 3: we are striving to find a personal best time because 56 00:03:10,547 --> 00:03:13,667 Speaker 3: you know then that's the best race you've ever done. 57 00:03:15,347 --> 00:03:18,187 Speaker 2: You know all about being the hunted. You made that 58 00:03:18,387 --> 00:03:23,627 Speaker 2: comment before energy going into a Paralympics knowing you've got 59 00:03:23,667 --> 00:03:26,667 Speaker 2: to target on your back, how do you deal with that? 60 00:03:26,707 --> 00:03:29,587 Speaker 2: What's the best way to work through that pressure? 61 00:03:31,107 --> 00:03:34,907 Speaker 3: Oh? Look, it's definitely a daily mindset for when you 62 00:03:34,947 --> 00:03:38,067 Speaker 3: turn up every day to you know, for me personally, 63 00:03:38,067 --> 00:03:41,387 Speaker 3: obviously it was the pool and the gym or where 64 00:03:41,427 --> 00:03:45,907 Speaker 3: you know, all my training sessions, but people have to understand, 65 00:03:45,947 --> 00:03:49,107 Speaker 3: you know, in an athlete's world, you know, it's it 66 00:03:49,187 --> 00:03:53,707 Speaker 3: is about, you know, trying to obviously achieve to be 67 00:03:53,747 --> 00:03:56,707 Speaker 3: the best in the world. And you know, for us, 68 00:03:56,787 --> 00:04:01,067 Speaker 3: it's not just a professional sport. It's a personal to 69 00:04:01,147 --> 00:04:02,987 Speaker 3: us as well, because we know when we come home 70 00:04:03,067 --> 00:04:06,987 Speaker 3: it is about obviously the recovery. And you know, what 71 00:04:07,067 --> 00:04:09,347 Speaker 3: we do at home reflects how we train and then 72 00:04:09,387 --> 00:04:13,027 Speaker 3: how we perform on the world stage. So mindset is 73 00:04:13,067 --> 00:04:16,707 Speaker 3: a huge part of that. It's not just the physical side, 74 00:04:16,747 --> 00:04:19,587 Speaker 3: and to be able to turn off when you get home, 75 00:04:20,667 --> 00:04:23,147 Speaker 3: you know, just enough to be able to obviously focus 76 00:04:23,187 --> 00:04:25,987 Speaker 3: on that recovery or maybe take it, you know, do 77 00:04:26,107 --> 00:04:30,747 Speaker 3: some mindleness, you know, wellness and minded mindfulness. You know, 78 00:04:30,867 --> 00:04:33,347 Speaker 3: all of those are part of how to execute when 79 00:04:33,347 --> 00:04:36,507 Speaker 3: you get onto a big world stage as being the hunted. 80 00:04:36,667 --> 00:04:39,867 Speaker 3: And you know, if we use Ana Grimolda, you know 81 00:04:39,907 --> 00:04:42,547 Speaker 3: she has got the previous experience and you know, the 82 00:04:42,627 --> 00:04:45,947 Speaker 3: debutantes that have come into this particular games, you are 83 00:04:45,987 --> 00:04:49,947 Speaker 3: going to learn that because in a Paralympic environment, it's unpredictable. 84 00:04:51,547 --> 00:04:55,227 Speaker 3: You know, there's so many external factors going on, and 85 00:04:55,267 --> 00:04:58,627 Speaker 3: it's really hard to explain to people what are Paralympic 86 00:04:58,707 --> 00:05:02,107 Speaker 3: Games or in Olympic Games is really like unless you've 87 00:05:02,187 --> 00:05:06,027 Speaker 3: been there and really soaked in, you know, the atmosphere, 88 00:05:06,067 --> 00:05:10,627 Speaker 3: because it is it's just it's a whole it's its 89 00:05:10,867 --> 00:05:15,067 Speaker 3: own whole world. You know, it's not it's many sports 90 00:05:15,107 --> 00:05:19,467 Speaker 3: that are there. You've got world champions walking around you. 91 00:05:19,467 --> 00:05:24,187 Speaker 3: You're living in a you know, enclosed environment. Everything is 92 00:05:24,227 --> 00:05:27,547 Speaker 3: put on a much bigger scale. And when you've been 93 00:05:27,627 --> 00:05:31,627 Speaker 3: so used to either national championships or world championships, it 94 00:05:31,707 --> 00:05:35,387 Speaker 3: is completely different. So you can never really prepare yourself, 95 00:05:36,587 --> 00:05:38,507 Speaker 3: you know fully what a Paralympic Games is going to 96 00:05:38,547 --> 00:05:40,467 Speaker 3: give you. But you can only prepare yourself the best 97 00:05:40,467 --> 00:05:44,187 Speaker 3: you possibly can. And most athletes do a lot of 98 00:05:45,307 --> 00:05:49,667 Speaker 3: mindfulness training. They work with their psychologists, they try and 99 00:05:49,707 --> 00:05:52,787 Speaker 3: you know, you know, factor that into their trainings to 100 00:05:52,827 --> 00:05:55,227 Speaker 3: be able to replicate as best they possibly can what 101 00:05:55,987 --> 00:05:58,827 Speaker 3: you know they're going to expect at a Paralympic Games. 102 00:05:58,987 --> 00:06:03,347 Speaker 2: It's been really important of recent times across a number 103 00:06:03,427 --> 00:06:06,867 Speaker 2: of different sports, not just swimming, not just at athletics, 104 00:06:07,307 --> 00:06:09,987 Speaker 2: at various games. So you've I want to say you've 105 00:06:09,987 --> 00:06:12,987 Speaker 2: been around the block, but how many Olympic Games you've 106 00:06:13,027 --> 00:06:13,267 Speaker 2: been to? 107 00:06:13,547 --> 00:06:13,787 Speaker 3: Four? 108 00:06:13,867 --> 00:06:15,627 Speaker 2: I think it has started off in Beijing. Have you 109 00:06:15,747 --> 00:06:20,227 Speaker 2: noticed that over your career the focus now on the 110 00:06:20,267 --> 00:06:22,067 Speaker 2: mental health and the wellness of the athletes. 111 00:06:23,467 --> 00:06:27,307 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's absolutely huge, And Nack comes down to, you know, 112 00:06:27,347 --> 00:06:29,707 Speaker 3: how much bigger these games are getting every year. The 113 00:06:29,787 --> 00:06:35,387 Speaker 3: media that's you know, around the Paralympic Games and around 114 00:06:35,387 --> 00:06:38,947 Speaker 3: the athletes, but also people are talking about mental health 115 00:06:39,667 --> 00:06:45,107 Speaker 3: and it's crucial, you know, the fact that, like I 116 00:06:45,147 --> 00:06:48,267 Speaker 3: said before, it's not a professional sport to us, it's 117 00:06:48,307 --> 00:06:52,827 Speaker 3: personal as well. And it is pretty hard to switch 118 00:06:52,867 --> 00:06:56,067 Speaker 3: off when you you know, close the door, you know, 119 00:06:56,107 --> 00:06:58,947 Speaker 3: when you come home from a training session, because you can't. 120 00:06:58,987 --> 00:07:03,747 Speaker 3: You've got to be constantly factoring in all those smaller 121 00:07:03,787 --> 00:07:08,467 Speaker 3: things that you know, provide for the outcome and goal. 122 00:07:09,627 --> 00:07:13,107 Speaker 3: But you know, I think it's great that athletes are 123 00:07:13,147 --> 00:07:17,227 Speaker 3: talking more and more about their mental health. It's very 124 00:07:17,307 --> 00:07:20,987 Speaker 3: important to you know, be open and honest because you know, 125 00:07:21,027 --> 00:07:24,147 Speaker 3: the pressure that you put on yourself is usually the 126 00:07:24,147 --> 00:07:27,827 Speaker 3: biggest pressure. But then when you obviously you know, become 127 00:07:28,267 --> 00:07:33,707 Speaker 3: an expected within the environment of your field of play. Yeah, 128 00:07:33,707 --> 00:07:36,867 Speaker 3: people do have that external pressure as well put on them, 129 00:07:37,347 --> 00:07:42,107 Speaker 3: And yeah, I do think it's really important to be constantly, 130 00:07:42,507 --> 00:07:46,387 Speaker 3: you know, checking in with yourself and remembering that actually, 131 00:07:46,867 --> 00:07:50,187 Speaker 3: you know, at the end of the day, you are 132 00:07:50,347 --> 00:07:54,187 Speaker 3: loved beyond the outcome of you know, a medal or 133 00:07:54,227 --> 00:07:54,827 Speaker 3: a placing. 134 00:07:55,387 --> 00:07:58,387 Speaker 2: You're more than just your sport. And again that goes 135 00:07:58,467 --> 00:08:01,667 Speaker 2: right across a number of different sports, team sports and 136 00:08:01,747 --> 00:08:06,347 Speaker 2: individual sports. We're joined by Dame Sophie Pasco. We better 137 00:08:06,467 --> 00:08:09,227 Speaker 2: talk about I've gotten this conversation with you and I'm 138 00:08:09,267 --> 00:08:12,627 Speaker 2: loving it. But the athletes themselves at the Paralympics one 139 00:08:12,707 --> 00:08:18,267 Speaker 2: gold medal, four silver medals, three bronze medals, how does 140 00:08:18,267 --> 00:08:19,387 Speaker 2: that reflect on the team? 141 00:08:19,427 --> 00:08:19,987 Speaker 3: Do you think? 142 00:08:20,307 --> 00:08:22,667 Speaker 2: Is it about that ten count or is it about 143 00:08:22,707 --> 00:08:23,307 Speaker 2: more than that? 144 00:08:24,587 --> 00:08:26,987 Speaker 3: It's absolutely about more than that. You know, we've got 145 00:08:27,347 --> 00:08:31,387 Speaker 3: one of our tightest teams over there. You know, there's 146 00:08:31,427 --> 00:08:34,347 Speaker 3: a small team there. You know, there's twenty five athletes 147 00:08:34,387 --> 00:08:37,467 Speaker 3: and then you've got the support stuff you know on 148 00:08:37,547 --> 00:08:40,227 Speaker 3: top of that as well that have joined the team. 149 00:08:40,387 --> 00:08:44,667 Speaker 3: And the beauty of New Zealand, the New Zealand Paralympic 150 00:08:44,707 --> 00:08:48,187 Speaker 3: team is that we usually do have a small team. 151 00:08:48,267 --> 00:08:54,387 Speaker 3: So you do become a real tight family. And yes, 152 00:08:54,507 --> 00:08:59,147 Speaker 3: you know, medals are absolutely what every athlete is striving for, 153 00:08:59,427 --> 00:09:02,107 Speaker 3: do not get me wrong, But no matter if you've 154 00:09:02,147 --> 00:09:04,107 Speaker 3: won a medal or not, when you come back to 155 00:09:04,187 --> 00:09:08,827 Speaker 3: the village, your family standing there, meaning your teammates and 156 00:09:08,867 --> 00:09:12,827 Speaker 3: your support staff are standing there waiting for you to 157 00:09:12,947 --> 00:09:16,547 Speaker 3: embrace you. And that is so important. And what I 158 00:09:16,707 --> 00:09:19,627 Speaker 3: have noticed about these games, by you know, keeping in 159 00:09:19,667 --> 00:09:23,547 Speaker 3: touch with my fellow athletes, is that they have been 160 00:09:23,627 --> 00:09:26,587 Speaker 3: doing that, and that they've been supporting one another through 161 00:09:26,667 --> 00:09:31,707 Speaker 3: triumph and through defeat, and that is you know, you 162 00:09:31,747 --> 00:09:34,147 Speaker 3: can't ask for much more than that, And I think 163 00:09:34,227 --> 00:09:38,987 Speaker 3: that's why we are really close knit type family. And 164 00:09:39,187 --> 00:09:42,547 Speaker 3: you know, yes we've gained a gold medal overnight, we've 165 00:09:42,707 --> 00:09:46,747 Speaker 3: you know, got you know, numerous silvers and bronze throughout 166 00:09:46,787 --> 00:09:49,627 Speaker 3: the meet. But I know that this team will be 167 00:09:49,627 --> 00:09:52,987 Speaker 3: walking away with memories of a lifetime with the family 168 00:09:53,067 --> 00:09:55,387 Speaker 3: members that they've created within the team. 169 00:09:55,787 --> 00:09:59,027 Speaker 2: So for you, you mentioned the size of the games, 170 00:09:59,027 --> 00:10:01,987 Speaker 2: it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Was there a 171 00:10:02,027 --> 00:10:04,267 Speaker 2: part of you that got a bit of a bit 172 00:10:04,347 --> 00:10:08,067 Speaker 2: jealous that you weren't actually there competing because the event 173 00:10:08,427 --> 00:10:12,587 Speaker 2: Paris was extraordinary. The crowds were wild, and that's a 174 00:10:12,747 --> 00:10:14,867 Speaker 2: seriously big event. There must have been a wee bit 175 00:10:14,907 --> 00:10:16,987 Speaker 2: of I mean, I wish I was there. 176 00:10:19,227 --> 00:10:23,227 Speaker 3: Look, when the Olympic Games were on, I actually did 177 00:10:23,307 --> 00:10:27,747 Speaker 3: get quite a lot of fomo. I was getting nervous. 178 00:10:28,147 --> 00:10:32,307 Speaker 3: You know, the Paralympics were obviously coming up, and the 179 00:10:32,347 --> 00:10:35,027 Speaker 3: Olympics were always used as you know, for me, I 180 00:10:35,067 --> 00:10:38,387 Speaker 3: was always overseas. I was always training getting ready for 181 00:10:38,867 --> 00:10:42,067 Speaker 3: the Paralympic event, which is usually two or three weeks afterwards, 182 00:10:42,587 --> 00:10:47,307 Speaker 3: and so when they were on, I yeah, I was 183 00:10:47,347 --> 00:10:50,907 Speaker 3: just really feeling you know, oh my goodness, what am 184 00:10:50,907 --> 00:10:52,947 Speaker 3: I going to feel in three weeks time when I'm 185 00:10:53,227 --> 00:10:57,187 Speaker 3: you know, sitting behind a desk presenting the Paralympic Games. 186 00:10:57,547 --> 00:10:59,747 Speaker 3: You know, am I going to be feeling this? But 187 00:10:59,907 --> 00:11:03,187 Speaker 3: the fact the day one, when I sat next to Scottie, 188 00:11:04,587 --> 00:11:07,627 Speaker 3: you know, I actually felt real content. And I think 189 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:10,747 Speaker 3: that's because I knew I was still part of the team, 190 00:11:10,827 --> 00:11:14,347 Speaker 3: but in a different capacity. And you know, I am 191 00:11:14,387 --> 00:11:17,587 Speaker 3: about enhancing the Paralympic movement and I want to be 192 00:11:17,587 --> 00:11:20,507 Speaker 3: able to obviously do that with you know, the platform 193 00:11:20,547 --> 00:11:23,747 Speaker 3: that I've been able to create. And so I feel 194 00:11:23,787 --> 00:11:28,947 Speaker 3: like I have just really enjoyed sitting back watching our 195 00:11:29,507 --> 00:11:32,107 Speaker 3: New New Zealand athletes take on the world stage and 196 00:11:32,187 --> 00:11:35,467 Speaker 3: watching the games, and I've just loved embracing it. I've 197 00:11:35,507 --> 00:11:40,467 Speaker 3: loved being you know, presenting and you know, getting the 198 00:11:40,507 --> 00:11:43,507 Speaker 3: word out there that the Paralympics are parallel to the 199 00:11:43,507 --> 00:11:48,667 Speaker 3: Olympic Games. And watch these athletes. They are important, they 200 00:11:48,867 --> 00:11:52,627 Speaker 3: are vital to sport, and they are an inspiration and 201 00:11:52,707 --> 00:11:55,907 Speaker 3: not an inspiration for being disabled, They're an inspiration for 202 00:11:55,987 --> 00:12:00,187 Speaker 3: taking on the world and for their achievements. So I 203 00:12:00,547 --> 00:12:05,747 Speaker 3: have been absolutely okay where you know, sitting where I'm 204 00:12:05,787 --> 00:12:10,787 Speaker 3: sitting and really been laughing up you know, the Paris content. 205 00:12:11,147 --> 00:12:14,387 Speaker 2: What you've been doing an absolutely splendid job from from 206 00:12:14,387 --> 00:12:16,867 Speaker 2: my point of view anyway, and watching it. And one 207 00:12:16,947 --> 00:12:19,747 Speaker 2: last thing before we let you go, Dame Sophie pass 208 00:12:19,787 --> 00:12:22,227 Speaker 2: go and thanks so much for your time. Just like 209 00:12:22,267 --> 00:12:24,627 Speaker 2: in the Olympics, it's the way he doing it again. 210 00:12:24,707 --> 00:12:26,907 Speaker 2: They're putting the DNA of shame, aren't they. 211 00:12:29,027 --> 00:12:33,867 Speaker 3: Like I just you know, I think sport is growing 212 00:12:34,107 --> 00:12:36,267 Speaker 3: so much more and more and the fact that our 213 00:12:36,307 --> 00:12:40,907 Speaker 3: Wahini here in New Zealand are you know, being so successful. 214 00:12:41,467 --> 00:12:45,347 Speaker 3: It's all power to the females. You know, we are 215 00:12:45,387 --> 00:12:50,187 Speaker 3: getting deeper and deeper within our sports and really proving 216 00:12:50,627 --> 00:12:53,827 Speaker 3: you know, our mark on the world stage and it's 217 00:12:53,907 --> 00:12:56,267 Speaker 3: fantastic to see. And you know, I think it's so 218 00:12:57,147 --> 00:13:02,427 Speaker 3: crucial towards you know, the next generation going forth that 219 00:13:02,787 --> 00:13:06,467 Speaker 3: you know, the females can you know, really show the 220 00:13:06,467 --> 00:13:07,827 Speaker 3: world what they can do. 221 00:13:08,387 --> 00:13:11,707 Speaker 2: It's been a fantastic time. It still has yet to finish. 222 00:13:11,787 --> 00:13:13,947 Speaker 2: It's still got another day to go before it winds out. 223 00:13:13,947 --> 00:13:17,267 Speaker 2: We'll be staring at you and Old so much Stevenson 224 00:13:17,747 --> 00:13:19,747 Speaker 2: on TV and Z Plus as you bring us all 225 00:13:19,827 --> 00:13:22,987 Speaker 2: of that coverage. It is so welcomed and we love 226 00:13:22,987 --> 00:13:24,827 Speaker 2: the fact you joined us here on News Talks EB. 227 00:13:25,027 --> 00:13:28,547 Speaker 2: Dame Sophie Pasco, thanks very much for your time, Thank you, 228 00:13:29,507 --> 00:13:30,027 Speaker 2: Thank you. 229 00:13:30,907 --> 00:13:34,067 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live 230 00:13:34,187 --> 00:13:37,467 Speaker 1: to News Talk zed B weekends from midday or follow 231 00:13:37,507 --> 00:13:39,147 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.