1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Chioda. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: a daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. Pope 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: Francis has died at the age of eighty eight. The 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Vatican announced he died of a stroke at his Santa 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: Maria residence, almost a month after his five weeks stay 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: in hospital battling pneumonia. Elected on March thirteen, twenty thirteen, 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: for twelve years, he served as the leader of the 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: world's one point four billion Catholics and was notable for 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: his more liberal and open minded views on Christianity. Today, 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: on the Front Page, Bishop Michael Dooley, the Bishop of Dunedin, 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: joins us to talk about Pope Francis's legacy and where 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: the Hollywood's depiction of how to choose the next pontiff 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: is correct. Francis was the first Latin American leader of 14 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: the Roman Catholic Church. How significant was that, Well. 15 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 2: It was a very significant appointment after I think about 16 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: a thousand years of popes coming from Europe, and it 17 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: signified that here was someone who was coming from the 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: Southern hemisphere and also from the South American continent. So 19 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: it was quite a significant move. And I think good 20 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: because it gave a voice to that part of the 21 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: world which makes up a big part of the church, 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: but hasn't certainly been involved in the leadership in that way, 23 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: So a very significant move. 24 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: The Can you tell me a little bit about his 25 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: beginnings and how he came to get the top job. 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: Well, he's from Argentina. He was a member of the 27 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: Jesuit order. He was made bishop and then archbishop of 28 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: Buenos Aires in Argentina by Pope John Paul the Second 29 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: was made a cardinal, so he really functioned as a 30 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 2: bishop and a diocese, looking after the parishes and normal 31 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: activities of a bishop, and then until he was made pope, 32 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: which surprised a lot of people, but looking at him, 33 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: he would have had a good preparation. 34 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: So in twenty thirteen he was asked whether a gay 35 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: person could become a priest, and he famously replied, who 36 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: am I to judge. In twenty twenty three, he formally 37 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: signed off on allowing Catholic priests to bless same sex couples, 38 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: and earlier this year, in an interview with the Associated Press, 39 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: he said being homosexual isn't a crime. Now, how did 40 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: the rest of the church reacted this progressiveness when it 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: came to LGBTQ plus rights. 42 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: Well, he wasn't going against any teaching of the church. 43 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: But what he was doing was saying to the church 44 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: and to all of us, we need to respect and 45 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: acknowledge each other as human beings. So he was I suppose, 46 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: speaking to those responses to people, especially from the it's 47 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: the LBGDD community that have been discriminated against and abused 48 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: in different ways, that this must not happen. So he 49 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: was very much a pope who expressed and got for 50 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: the importance of each of us being made in the 51 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: image of God. So it was a strong message, but 52 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: it wasn't something that was against church teaching. He was 53 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: just sort of reiterating the importance of respect for each other. 54 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: And I know Pope France has never shied away from 55 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: commenting on world politics either. In February, he criticized US 56 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump's administration for its deportation policies and urged 57 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: Catholics to reject anti immigrant narratives. Is this unusual for 58 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 1: the head of the Catholic Church to voice such views. 59 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: I think, to be honest, it probably is unusual because 60 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: Pope Francis didn't have any hesitation in saying what he thought, 61 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: and I'm sure that probably some of his media advisors 62 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: would caution against it, but he was very much someone 63 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: who who said what he thought and went out yes 64 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: and publicly put forward what his fees were. So in 65 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: that regard, I think he did change the paper see 66 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: and by bringing his own particular style, which was a 67 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: very open and transparent style. 68 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: This morning, messages coming in from rule leaders around the globe, 69 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: all of them commenting on the Pontiff's impact, not just 70 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: on the Church and Catholics, but everyone around the world. 71 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 3: Mebe from top to bottom, everyone praising his humbleness as 72 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 3: the first Latin pope we've seen. 73 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,559 Speaker 4: I just signed an executive order putting the flags of 74 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 4: our country, all of them, all federal flags and state flags, 75 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 4: at half mass in honor of Pope Francis. So he 76 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 4: was a good man, worked hard, he loved the world, 77 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 4: and it's an honor to do that. 78 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: And I've seen some commentary online about how Pope Francis 79 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: seemed to be living by true Christian values, supporting all 80 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: people regardless of race or sexuality, putting his beliefs above 81 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: politics in a way he made religion more palatable for 82 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: the more agnostic society. Do you think that's fair? And 83 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: is that something that the church will need to consider 84 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: when looking at a new candidate. 85 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: I think you're right. There is definitely that element that 86 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: and I think what it was was he it's a 87 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: preached the Gospel and the values, but he also did 88 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 2: live them out in his everyday life, and so he 89 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: did many things that were quite symbolic of simplicity and 90 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: humility and respect for others. So I think it was 91 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: a very important one he did, and I'm sure that 92 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: it will influence the next successor. 93 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: And he also lived quite modestly as well. I read 94 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: somewhere that before becoming a pope he would take public transport. 95 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: I mean there was a reason why he chose the 96 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: name Francis, right, oh, very much. 97 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: So like when he was Archbishop of Born a series. 98 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: I don't think he hit a car. So he used 99 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 2: to take public transport and lived in a little flat 100 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: and cooked his own meal. So he was quite simple 101 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 2: in his living style. 102 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: And Pope Francis he chose the name France because correct 103 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but the popes choose a name 104 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: when they get the paper c and he chose Francis 105 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: because of Francis of a CC. 106 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, Francis of a CCI, who was a 107 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: saint in the church in the Middle Ages and very 108 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: much had a care for the poor, also a care 109 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: for the environment, and so Francis deliberately chose that name 110 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: to indicate what sort of leadership he wanted to have. 111 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: There have been a few movies about the Catholic Church 112 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: in recent times. I'm thinking first the two popes that 113 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: explored Pope Francis's friendship with Pope Benedict around the time 114 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: the papacy was transferred, but also most recently Conclave. Well 115 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: Dotan or Lawrence. 116 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: It seems the responsibility for the conclave and falls upon you. 117 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 5: The supervision of the selection duty. 118 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: I never thought I'd have to perform. 119 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: No scene. 120 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: Man would want the. 121 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: Man weren't dangerous? 122 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: Are the ones who do want to? How accurate are 123 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,239 Speaker 1: these Hollywood interpretations of what happens behind the scenes? 124 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: Do you think there isn't a certain accuracy because they've 125 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: researched the process, So the process of the cardinals gathering 126 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: together and being secluded and voting, that will be correct. 127 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: Perhaps some of the movies take dramatic license with some 128 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: of the things that happened, but in general, I think 129 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: the reasonably accurate about the process that takes place to 130 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: elect a new pope. 131 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: Have you seen the movie Conclave? 132 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: Look, I haven't. I've been meaning to see it and 133 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: now I'm sorry. I haven't seen it before this happened, 134 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: but I've certainly heard about it, and a number of 135 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: people have recommended it to me. 136 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm wondering, because of that movie and being 137 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: nominated for the Academy Awards, whether this the real life 138 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: Conclave might be the most watched in the history of 139 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: the Conclaves, perhaps because so many people have seen the 140 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: movie and now kind of know the process. 141 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: Look, I think you're right. I think it will. We 142 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 2: mate quite a bit of interest, because there's a number 143 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: of people that have spoken to me who ugnhun't Catholics, 144 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: but have been quite fascinated by the process. 145 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: So can you tell me what is conclave? What's the 146 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: process from here in choosing a new pope? 147 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: Well, just from my understanding, so after Pope francis funeral, 148 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: the cardinals of the church will be summoned to Rome 149 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 2: and those who are under eighty years old, so they're 150 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: a bible to vote, so there's about one hundred and twenty. 151 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: So they will gather in Rome together and then meet 152 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: in the conclave and vote on a new pope. And 153 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: it often takes a few days to sort out who 154 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: their candidates are, because there needs to be a sort 155 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: of a reasonable majority for someone to be elected pope. 156 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: But they will go into the conclave and work on 157 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,239 Speaker 2: that until it's until they come with the name a successor. 158 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: And then of course the fame quite smoke will rise 159 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: from the chimney when to indicate that they've appointed a successor. 160 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: And in terms of the pope's funeral, am I right 161 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: in saying that there is an opportunity for people to 162 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: go and pay their respects in the coming days, Well. 163 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: They will be in Rome, yes, I'd say there'll be 164 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: quite a few people descending upon Rome Saint Peter Square 165 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: to show their respects. So there will be like days 166 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: of morning before or the funeral. 167 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 5: His approach to people duties was markedly less formal, choosing 168 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 5: to reside in a guest house rather than the customary 169 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 5: Apostolic palace, and while Benedict sought to cultivate a core 170 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 5: of ardent believers to re energize Catholicism, especially among its 171 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 5: dwindling flock in Europe. Well Francis sought to broaden the 172 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 5: church's appeal by de emphasizing doctrinal differences signature to his 173 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 5: Jesuit training, The pope pushed for openness, most notably to 174 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 5: expanding the role of women and LGBTQ Catholics. 175 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: Do you think the church would benefit from another progressive 176 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: pope like Pope Francis or will it change course and 177 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: move back to more conservative views? Do you think? 178 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 2: I think with Pope Francis, he wasn't really a liberal. 179 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: His sort of religious views were quite conservative in a 180 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: lot of ways. But he was radical in the sense 181 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: that in living the Gospel. So really that's what we're 182 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: called to do in the church. So the next pope, 183 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure will be aware of that and will realize 184 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: that if you sort of go back from that sort 185 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: of radical living of the Gospel, it's not a good yes, 186 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: not a good sort of sign to do that. So 187 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: I think I'd have confidence that the next pope will 188 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: take what Pope Francis has done and try to build 189 00:11:59,600 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: on that. 190 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: Are there any front runners. 191 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: To be honest, I would have no idea at all 192 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: who who the next Pope will be, because sometimes the 193 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: ones who get pot forward as candidates never never make it. 194 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: So there will be there'll be like probably a dozen 195 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: cardinals that will be put forward as front runners, but 196 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: often what happens is that someone comes from out of nowhere, 197 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: which really was what Pope Francis did. 198 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 6: So there are five high ranking cardinals that are the 199 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 6: top contenders right now. The front runner appears to be 200 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 6: Cardinal Luis Antonio Tugle from the Philippines. The sixty seven 201 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 6: year olds is considered a strong contender to continue Pope 202 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 6: Francis's progressive agenda. His Asian heritage may also be key, 203 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 6: as Catholicism is growing rapidly on the continent, especially in 204 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 6: his home country. Now behind him is Italian Cardinal Pietro Perolin. 205 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 6: At seventy years old, he's one of the most experienced 206 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 6: Vatican officials. And then we then have Cardinal Peter Turkson 207 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 6: of Ghana. The seventy six year old is a well 208 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 6: known figure in the church's social justice circles. Turkson has 209 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 6: been vocal on issues such as climate change, poverty, and 210 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 6: economic Justice. His election would be historic as the first 211 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 6: African pope in centuries. And next is Cardinal Peter Erdo 212 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 6: of Hungary, a respected canon law scholar and a strong 213 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 6: advocate for traditional Catholic teachings and doctrin. Finally, there is 214 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 6: Cardinal Adelo's Scola of Italy. At eighty two years old, 215 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 6: he's the oldest of all the front runners. He was 216 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 6: also among the favorites during the twenty thirteen conclave that 217 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 6: elected Pope Francis. 218 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: I've read a couple of lists, and You're right, they're 219 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: all over the place, but I've noticed that they're all 220 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: above the age of their late sixties on woods, is 221 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: there a reason why I guess anyone younger can't be pope? 222 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: Well, one of the reasons is that the cardinals were 223 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: elected to elick someone that's too young, because then usually 224 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 2: you know you're stuck with that pope until they die, 225 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: so it can be a long time. So the advantage 226 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: of having an older pope is that you know there'll 227 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: be another pope that'll come, not in a reasonable length 228 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 2: of time. So apparently there is, yeah, there is that 229 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: sense that if you elected someone too young, then you 230 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: could be stuck with them for a long time. 231 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: And in terms of so you said there's about one 232 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty cardinals, they will all go off to 233 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: Vatican City and become part of the conclave. Have there 234 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: ever been any cardinals from say Australia or New Zealand. 235 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: Yes, So we have one cardinal who will go over there, 236 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: Cardinal John ju who he's retired as bishop, but because 237 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: he's under the age of eighty, he is eligible to 238 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: be a voter, so he will go over and he 239 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: will be part of the conclave. And in Australia, we 240 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: actually have the youngest cardinal in the world in Australia, 241 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: Cardinal mccola, who's the cardinal of the Ukrainian Catholic Church, 242 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: but part of his area is New Zealand, so he 243 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: will be going over too, so and he's just in 244 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: his forties. So we'll have two cardinals from certainly from 245 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: Australia New Zealand going over. 246 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: And what does it take to become a cardinal, Well. 247 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: To become it's the Pope that appoints cardinals, so and 248 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: it's an honorary position, so it's usually an existing bishop 249 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: and it's done. Really the main thing is to provide 250 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: the electoral College to elect a new pope, so in 251 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: the end it's a decision of the pope, so he 252 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: appoints his own cardinals. 253 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us, Bishal. That's it for this 254 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: episode of The Front Page. You can read more about 255 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: today's stories and extensive news coverage at enzadherld dot co 256 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: dot nz. The Front Page is produced by Ethan Sills 257 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: and Richard Martin, who is also a sound engineer. I'm 258 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: Chelsea Daniels. 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