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Speaker 1: And wrapping the political week that was is Barry Sober,

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Speaker 1: Senior political correspondent.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Barry, thank you, Heather, nice to be here again.

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Speaker 1: On the Malory Party, I'll tell you what I find

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Speaker 1: surprising is that these guys appear to be falling apart,

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Speaker 1: and yet it's quite quiet.

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Speaker 2: Well it's not so quiet, I think in the labor ranks.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're quite concerned. And indeed they've gone as

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Speaker 2: far to say that the Maley Party at the moment

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Speaker 2: would not be fit to be in government. Well that's

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Speaker 2: probably a bit of an understatement. Of course, there shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be anywhere near government the way they've been behaving. And

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Speaker 2: the thing that I've discovered this week and found it

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Speaker 2: quite interesting, is the amount of a family that's employed

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Speaker 2: by Maori Party MPs. I mean Whitey Tear's wife was

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Speaker 2: the party's press secretary and also John Tammaheady, the president

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Speaker 2: of the party's daughter, so there's a big linkage there.

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Speaker 2: And then Might Clark, the young woman who stood and

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Speaker 2: ripped up the the Treaty Settlement's bill, she's her mother's

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Speaker 2: working for her, and so too as a sister. And

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Speaker 2: the rules to me are quite unclear at Parliament as

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Speaker 2: to whether this should be the case. But I think

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Speaker 2: my reading of the rules is that they shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: anywhere near the place employing staff that are so closely.

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Speaker 1: My reading of the rules is different to yours. I

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Speaker 1: think the rules allow it because the rules explicitly ban

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Speaker 1: an MP from hiring a spouse or a partner, and

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Speaker 1: then ban an MP from hiring family members who are

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Speaker 1: financially who are dependent. So you're not dependent if you're the.

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Speaker 2: Mother, well you're financially dependent if you're receiving a.

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Speaker 1: Wage only from after you become financially question of timing.

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Speaker 2: But it's a silly rule.

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Speaker 1: It's a done rule. Should be all family cannot be

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Speaker 1: employed totally.

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Speaker 2: Totally, should be no room for nepotism and politics.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Verry tell me if this is an unfair

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Speaker 1: thing to say. But have we gone a little bit

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Speaker 1: overboard in the praise for Jim Bolger this week? So

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Speaker 1: I just feel like calling him one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: prime ministers ever is maybe not historically, that's.

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Speaker 2: Totally over the top. And even Dom McKinnon to say that,

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Speaker 2: and Don gave a great eulogy, So I take nothing

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Speaker 2: away from him at the church yesterday. But to say

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Speaker 2: that he was by far the best farmer leader that

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Speaker 2: this country's ever seen, I mean there will be many

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Speaker 2: listeners that will remember Sir Keith Holyoke. Now Holyoake won

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Speaker 2: four terms in government, you know, I mean he was seen.

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Speaker 2: He was fairly revered as a National Party leader. So look,

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Speaker 2: Jim Bulger, I think he was a very solid pair

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Speaker 2: of hands, an extraordinarily nice individual and one that I'd

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Speaker 2: had on a number of occasions a few bush mills

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Speaker 2: whiskies with over the years. Very nice man. But to

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Speaker 2: write him up as uh the somebody I read said

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Speaker 2: that he was the greatest leader that this country's seen

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Speaker 2: in the past century. I mean that is patently ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Peter Fraser has always been credited with being

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Speaker 2: the war You.

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Speaker 1: Don't even have to go that far.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I know you don't like what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Is Clark historically Heather that time. You know that when

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Speaker 2: you look at the century, Peter Fraser is right up there.

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Speaker 1: But look, no, I see what you're saying. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have got some examples that are the head and

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Speaker 1: shoulders above everybody else. With her last century. That is

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Speaker 1: an absolutely fair point to make. Thank you for answering that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and so it wasn't a horrible thing for

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Speaker 1: me to say today, not at all. Okay, just checking

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Speaker 1: with you, madam and Davidson though, Yeah, that's it. That's embarrassing,

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Speaker 1: isn't that.

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Speaker 2: Well? You know, this is well, we're told a year's

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Speaker 2: work and if that's all she's been doing for the

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Speaker 2: past year, you've got to ask questions about what their

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Speaker 2: role is in parliament. But nevertheless, we were told that

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Speaker 2: it was a year's work that you'd put in on

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Speaker 2: this piece of legislation. And what did the legislation do.

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Speaker 2: It was strengthening consumer rights to have goods repaired. Now

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Speaker 2: what what does that actually mean? Does it mean if

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Speaker 2: you've got a toaster that breaks down, then you should

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Speaker 2: be able to take it down to the local repair

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Speaker 2: shop and get it repaired and it cost you? I

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Speaker 2: think I don't know what it means.

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Speaker 1: No, it means that if you buy a toaster, you

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Speaker 1: take it back to nol Leaming or whoever you bought

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Speaker 1: it from and they get it repaired for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, who repairs them.

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Speaker 1: Well, nol Leaming or the retails as the tragedy. It's

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Speaker 1: a terrible idea.

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Speaker 2: It's where I lived when I grew up. They had

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Speaker 2: a repair man that used to work from his house.

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Speaker 2: You get toasters and dryers and whatever. Nowadays I just

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Speaker 2: thrown it Lolwadays you buffer away the built and obsolescence

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Speaker 2: of items really does get on stick under my crawl really.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, what do you do very quickly?

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Speaker 1: Has the BSA sign up and death warrant?

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Speaker 2: I think possibly? So I mean to try and bring

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Speaker 2: in briefly as it was, the freedom of speech union

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Speaker 2: is patently absurd under their guys. And also you know,

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Speaker 2: look the platform. I think they've totally overreacted. And now

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Speaker 2: we've got, certainly Paul Goldsmith, the Justice Minister, talking in

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Speaker 2: very strong terms about doing away with the BSA all together.

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Speaker 2: I say hurrah to that.

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Speaker 1: Barry, thanks very much. Barry Soper, Senior Political correspondent.

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