1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the inside Ryan Bridge new 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four on the early edition with Smith City, 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: New Zealand's furniture bands and a play at store news dogs. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: That'd be good morning. It is six after five. 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 3: Great to have your company this morning before six o'clock. 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: The Auditor General's report. 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: Why do some poor kids achieve well at school and 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: others not? Property investors are sniffing around again? How many 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 3: of them are lurking? The US Correspondent today on Trump's fascism, 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 3: claims he's a fascist and apparently also said that he 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: wanted generals like Hitler had. Plus why would you be 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 3: a bus driver? After another stabbing on a bus, this 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: time resulting in a death in aucklandest today. 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 4: The agenda. 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: It is Thursday, the twenty fourth of October. The United 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 3: States Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin confirms that North Korean troops 17 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: are in Russia. 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 5: If there are coll Belliterans, their intention is to participate 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 5: in this war on Russia's behalf. That is a very 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 5: very serious issue. This is an indication that he may 21 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 5: be even in more trouble than most people realize. 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: As I mentioned yesterday, it might pull South Korea into 23 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: the conflict with Ukraine. They may be about to provide 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: some weapons. Gunfire and an explosion have been heard outside 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: the headquarters of an aerospace company. 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: This is in Turkey. Authorities say four. 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 3: People have been killed at least fourteen injured, labeling it 28 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: a terror attack. Turkey's Interior minister says two suspects have 29 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: been quote neutralized. Donald Trump's former chief of staff, John 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: Kelly says the former president said he needs the kind 31 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: of generals that Hitler had, adding that Trump has met 32 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: the definition of a fascist. 33 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: Timuls isn't happy about it. 34 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 6: Don't be the frog in the boiling white and think 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 6: this is okay. 36 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 4: As a twenty four year veteran of our military, that 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 4: makes me sick as hell, and it should make you sad. 38 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: Back to our neck of the woods. 39 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: King Charles has arrived in Sarmore for the Commonwealth Heads 40 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: and Government meeting following his trip to Ozzie. Prime Minister 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 3: Christopher Luxen and Foreign Minister Winston Peters are also in 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: RPA for the meeting, which is how every two years 43 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 3: are heading there today. 44 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: It's just gone eight after five. 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 4: Get ahead of the headlines, Ryan Bridge, you for twenty 46 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 4: twenty four on early edition with Smith City, New Zealand's 47 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 4: Furniture Beds and a playing Store. 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: News Talk said be Sarah says, Ryan, why are the 49 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: police not showing the CCTV footage of the Auckland bus 50 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 3: murderer's face to the public in order to help find him. 51 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 3: It's a very good question, Sarah, It's a very good question. 52 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: I don't have an answer for you. Nine nine the 53 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 3: number to text. Did you see the story yesterday? The 54 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: mother of the young person and who was leading the occupation, 55 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: if you will, of the rooftop. This is the standoff 56 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 3: at the ordering a tamidiki facility in Auckland. They were 57 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 3: protesting on the roof, ripping parts of it off. They 58 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 3: were up there for sixteen hours. According to a New 59 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 3: Zealand Herald photographer who was there, they were demanding McDonald's 60 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: cigarettes and a getaway car. Now you're the mother of 61 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: the leader of that group and you see this obviously unfolding. 62 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: I imagine you are concerned. You're horrified. This particular mother 63 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: picks up the phone and calls the Herald or emails 64 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: the hel gets in contact with the media. Told the 65 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: Herald the group was acting out as they had allegedly 66 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: been denied access to fresh air and outside time for 67 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: that day. Apparently they were given outside time over the 68 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: weekend and that day, according to ordering A Tamidiki, but 69 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: that doesn't stop the mother from continuing. The mother told 70 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: the he or she was advised that her son was 71 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: involved at about nine am via a phone call from 72 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: staff at the facility. She says, they couldn't really give 73 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 3: me a good enough reason as to why he was 74 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: on the roof in the first place. They just said 75 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: that they were trying to find out. She added the 76 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: facility should have been secure to prevent the breakout. I 77 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: was concerned about my son being up there the whole night. 78 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 3: That's not safe. What if something else had happened. I 79 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 3: just don't understand this. She then goes on to complain 80 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: that they were being taken to an adult facility, which 81 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 3: presumably would be more secure, but that wasn't good enough either. 82 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: I just don't understand this logic. First of all, ordering 83 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 3: it timodik He says, it's not true. You know there 84 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 3: was yard time for the kids, etc. But if your 85 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: child committed a crime and we're told that it's serious, 86 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: repeat offending that goes on and that's why these people 87 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: are here and then smash their way out of the facility. 88 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: Wouldn't you be a bit embarrassed about it? Wouldn't you 89 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: have words with the offender aka your son first before 90 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: calling a newsroom to complain about ordering a tamadiki? 91 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: Why is he there in the first place. I don't know. 92 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: Maybe there is something I'm missing here, but I just 93 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 3: cannot understand. 94 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: How that is your response to a situation like that. 95 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 3: It's eleven minutes after five Ryan Bridge. 96 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 2: Lots want to come on the program. 97 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: Are you getting scammed? 98 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: Yes? 99 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: Ninety percent of us are New B and Z numbers 100 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: out on that. Is the grass really greener in Australia 101 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: when it comes to construction workers. We've got an answer 102 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: for you this morning. Plus Genesis is saying, if you 103 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: want coal next winter, gets your orders in. 104 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: People You're on Newstook ZB. 105 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 4: News and View as you trust to start your day 106 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 4: is early edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New 107 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 4: Zealand's furniture beds and a playing store. 108 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 3: News Talk said be fourteen after five. News Talks b 109 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: reporting season continues as a quarter three in the United States, 110 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: Bowing obviously not doing very well. The food and drink 111 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: stocks are one to watch thus sliding. Starbucks is down. 112 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: They had some pretty lackluster results, apparently going to completely 113 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 3: revamp their menu because there's too much stuff on it. 114 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: Coca Cola their volume was down, prices were up, but 115 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 3: weak sales mean that they've taken a bit of a hit. 116 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: McDonald's though, shears and McDonald's fell five percent, which you 117 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: can imagine how many billions of dollars that must be 118 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: five percent. This after the Centers for Disease Control said 119 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: that their hamburgers. Some of the hamburgers were linked to 120 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: fatal E. Coli outbreaks with anyone like a fries with 121 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: your mcpheesisburger quarter. 122 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: Past five, Ryan Bridge. 123 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: Looks like investors are starting to return to the property mark. 124 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 3: This is a new core Logic report out this morning. 125 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: It finds that in September, mortgaged multiple property owners made 126 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: up twenty two point six percent of all sales. That's 127 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: up from a record lower year ago twenty point four. 128 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: Core Logic says investors are the group to watch coming 129 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: into the new year as interest rates continue to fall. 130 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: Matt Balls with the Property Investors Federation he's with us 131 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: this morning. 132 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: Matt, good morning, Good morning, Ryan. How are you we 133 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: do good? Thank you, thanks for being with me. 134 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: This is still low by historical standards, but early signs, yeah. 135 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 7: I think this is spot on. Actually we're noticing similar 136 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 7: signs as well. Your investors who have got cash, they 137 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 7: are going to be first off the block, and that's 138 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 7: the one that I've been watching first, and then mortgage 139 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 7: reliant investors will be on after that. I mean, that's 140 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 7: not to say people aren't out there now looking for bargains. 141 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 7: And some of our members are out there buying the 142 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 7: rundown properties, in them up and making good money out 143 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 7: of it. You know, you get a better return once 144 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 7: you've done up a property. You're providing a nice new 145 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 7: homes to people. So that's fantastic. And our investors, our 146 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 7: members tend to be probably slightly ahead of the market. 147 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 7: I would say they had access to good advice from 148 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 7: some of our older investors. 149 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: Who is investing. I'm not imagining that this will be 150 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: our mum and dad's with one extra property going out 151 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: in force at the moment. It's your older investors with 152 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: multiple freehold properties. 153 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: I would imagine. 154 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 7: What we're finding is that it's actually a mix ryme. Yes, 155 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 7: some of our older investors or more experienced investors are 156 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 7: cash too, don't rely on mortgages. Are out there and 157 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 7: they're looking for bargains. But I can give you of 158 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 7: an example of a member's a single income home family 159 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 7: and who has been out there brought a couple of 160 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 7: properties in the last twelve months. These are pretty rundown 161 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 7: of properties and they've done them up. They're now fantastic 162 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 7: rentals and they're making that person's an income. So your 163 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 7: bargains are out there if you're prepared to put in 164 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 7: the time and do the hard work. So person, I'm 165 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 7: thinking of that all the renovations themselves. 166 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: In terms of the interest deductibility at eighty percent, you 167 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 3: know the interest rate's coming down. What is the bigger factor. 168 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: It's probably interest rates, presumably rates lying rather than the 169 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: interest deductibility. They both help, Yeah, I look, they both help. 170 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 7: I think the interest deductibility gives people confidence. That's not 171 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 7: something that gives you a big pile of cash. You 172 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 7: don't actually see any money from that. It's just that 173 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 7: the government doesn't extract as much from you at the 174 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 7: end of the year. Interest rates going down yet that 175 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 7: is going to be a fact. But don't forget this 176 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 7: is a lagging impact. Most people aren't feeling that impact 177 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 7: straight away. Two thirds of mortgages are fixed but due 178 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 7: to roll off over the next twelve months. So it's 179 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 7: it's over that next month period that you're going to 180 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 7: start to see this impact. And so i'd say you'd 181 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 7: be looking at second half of twenty twenty five or 182 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 7: fourteen to will really start to pick up, right, Matt. 183 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that. 184 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: Matt Ball the Property Investors Federation talking about the Newcorelogic 185 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: data out this morning, saying property investors are slowly creeping 186 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: back into the market. I suppose everybody is really as 187 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: interest rates come down. Eighteen minutes after five News Talk hb. 188 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 4: Ryan Bridge new for twenty twenty four on early edition 189 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 4: with Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture Beds and a player 190 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 4: store News Talk Zibby. 191 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: Twenty after five News Talk ZB. 192 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 3: In the last twenty minutes, his biller has confirmed the 193 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: death of another of its top top brass This is 194 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: Hashim suffered In, one of the candidates possibly slated to 195 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 3: take charge of the group. This after the assassination of 196 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: Hassan israela the Israeli Defense Forces said that he was 197 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: killed when the Israeli Air Force attacked the underground intelligence headquarters. 198 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: Of his blow. 199 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: This is in Beirut, in one of their southern suburbs, 200 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 3: so thus slowly but surely taking out the top brass 201 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 3: the leadership. Twenty one minutes after five. Now Italian just 202 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: a second about Genesis and their warning for other electricity 203 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 3: providers about coal. Right now, though, we're going to talk ambulances. 204 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: Saint John and it's ambulance workers have found a solution 205 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: to their previous pay dispute. Saint John says there will 206 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: be no more industrial action that would disrupt road ambulance services. 207 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: It comes as the government announces a twenty one million 208 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: dollar funding boost for Saint John to go towards the operation. 209 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: The Ambulance Association secretary Mark Quinn is with us this morning. Mark, 210 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 3: good morning, good morning. This is obviously good news. I'm 211 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 3: struggling to find detail on this. What will this mean 212 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 3: for your average ambulance worker. 213 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 8: All this means that pay increases, which is above the 214 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 8: inflationary pressures that have been going on, and including some 215 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 8: conditions which medical, which is quite significant. So it only 216 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 8: takes us through to the end of June twenty twenty five. 217 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 3: Right, So next year will we be back in the 218 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 3: same situation with strikes again. 219 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 8: Possibly. It's certainly not the first option that we look 220 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 8: as a union to go to, but it's indicative what 221 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 8: the exits we took this year of the frustration and 222 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 8: actually the end how angry some of our members were 223 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 8: around where they found themselves when going to the bargaining 224 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 8: table with the employer saying they had nothing to offer us, 225 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 8: which I did in February this year. 226 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 3: They said it was the last, final offer, best and final, right, 227 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 3: and here we are with, you know, with more money 228 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 3: they've found behind the back of the couch presumably, so 229 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: problem not solved, problem just band aid it over. 230 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, to a degree, I don't have a result that 231 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 8: this is a pay perity, you know. And this is 232 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 8: where since paramedics particularly were registered in twenty twenty, we've 233 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 8: seen that they have come a valuable commodity outside the 234 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 8: traditional inblance services of Saint John and Warrington free and 235 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 8: that is partly driving you know, their recognition to be 236 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 8: sitting alongside doctors and nurses and other health professions where 237 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 8: there sitting because they are now valued in the community, 238 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 8: and that's having seeking positions or getting positions out in 239 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 8: emergency department's, primary health care organizations and in the other 240 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 8: community healthy agencies. So that's you know, Saint John's been 241 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 8: slowly recognized that they're actually a valued product outside the 242 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 8: traditional inblance services. 243 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 3: The one hundred percent funding, obviously we're not there yet. 244 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 3: The New Zealand First Party has had promised during the 245 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 3: election campaign to get ninety five plus. Do you know 246 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 3: where this extra funding gets us to in terms of 247 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 3: a percentage, No. 248 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 8: It only twenty one million only adds so I think 249 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 8: is a total of three hundred and fifty seven million, 250 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 8: So it probably adds somewhere another ten percent of their 251 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 8: good will take. But it certainly is a band aid 252 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 8: because it doesn't nobody knows what one hundred percent funding 253 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 8: looks like, and certainly Saint john are now and this 254 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 8: year have taken a turn from promoting themselves as only 255 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 8: wanting eighty two to eighty two percent funding to now 256 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 8: wanting one hundred percent. But there's a recognition partly of 257 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 8: the economic situation in New Zealand and the inability to 258 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 8: meet the inflation the pressures that you know for any 259 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 8: other business or organization is currently experiencing. 260 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: Mark, thank you very much for your time. 261 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: Best to like Mark Quin, New zeal An Ambulance Association 262 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: Secretary twenty. 263 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: Five after five, Ryan Bridge, she ordered. 264 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: To generally has the report out which we're going to 265 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: look into just before six this morning, and it asks 266 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: the question if I do some kids who are low 267 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: income poor kids managed to achieve at school and others not. 268 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: The Ministry does not have an answer. 269 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: We will ask that question of one of the unions. 270 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: Just before six twenty five after five News Talks INB 271 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: the early. 272 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 4: Edition full the show podcast on iHeartRadio Power by News 273 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 4: Talks AB. 274 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 3: News Talks AB just gone twenty seven after five. 275 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: Why would you want to be a bus driver? 276 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: Yesterday a driver, fellow passengers all witnessed a stabbing take 277 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: place and the person died. This is two thirty in 278 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 3: the afternoon on a bus in suburban Auckland and someone 279 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: is stabbed to death. There's been beatings of passengers and drivers. 280 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: I don't have to explain this. You've seen the headlines. 281 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: The problem of driver safety seems to only be getting worse. 282 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: I was walking past a bus. Just a few weeks back, 283 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 3: there was a guy. He looked wild in the eyes. 284 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: You know the ones that just look crazy, You know 285 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 3: the ones that I'm talking about, swearing and yelling and 286 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: walking up to buses and kicking the doors. So every 287 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: time a bus would come along, the guy would just 288 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 3: kick their door, and he did it to several of them. 289 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: I didn't say anything. I was with other people. They 290 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: didn't say anything because you're just worried he's gonna go. 291 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: Nuts at you. But we could carry on walking down 292 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: the road. 293 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: When you work on public transport, you cannot escape the public, 294 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: and when the public is increasingly hostile, there are more 295 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: and more bad eggs on the bus. Where do you 296 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 3: go to Nowhere? You can't go anywhere. And the long 297 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: promised safety screens are finally being installed, but as we 298 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 3: heard on the show a couple of months back, it'll 299 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: take another two years to even get to eighty percent coverage. 300 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 3: There are plenty of safe bus journeys out there, plenty 301 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: of drivers who love what they do, no doubt about that. 302 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: But the more you hear about these awful acts of 303 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: violence on or around our drivers, you've got to ask yourself, 304 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: is it worth the risk, Dry and Bridge twenty eight 305 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: after five the Genesis thing. I'll get to you in 306 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 3: just a second. Being zed has a survey out this morning. Surprise, Surprise, 307 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 3: Nine and ten of us have been targeted by scammers. 308 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 3: I had a call yesterday from a random number. Did 309 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 3: a quick Google search and people had listed it on 310 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 3: a website as a scam call. So I just blocked 311 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 3: the number. I know a woman who I won't say 312 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: who it is, but I know a woman who has 313 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 3: a whistle by her phone and when the scammers call, 314 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 3: she blows the whistle in the air, trying and make 315 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 3: them deaf. 316 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: Do you have a strategy like that? 317 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 3: Nine? Two the numbers text so Genesis. Have we got 318 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 3: time for quick Genesis ten seconds? 319 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: No, we don't. We'll do it after the news. 320 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 4: The news you need this morning and the in depth 321 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 4: analysis Early edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City New 322 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 4: Zealand's furniture beds and a playing store. News Talk Z 323 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 4: it'd be. 324 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 3: Good Morning New Zealand. It is twenty four away from 325 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 3: six year on news Talk ZB. 326 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. 327 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 3: If you're just joining us, We're live to the United States. 328 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: Shortly. 329 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 3: Did Trump rarely say that he wanted generals like Hitler 330 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 3: and why does some poorer, lower socioeconomic kids do well 331 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 3: at school and others not. The Order to General's report 332 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: will look at that before six this morning. Genesis I 333 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 3: promised you I'd get to this. Genesis Energy has told 334 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: the rest of the electricity sector if you want coal 335 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 3: to cover the shortage next year, because everyone's saying next 336 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 3: year is going to be really bad. We thought this 337 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: winter was bad. Get your coal orders in now, folks. 338 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: That's basically the gist of what they're saying. They're increasing 339 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 3: the coal supply for next winter. We are obviously going 340 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 3: to have shortages again. They aim to stockpile five hundred 341 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: killer tons, which is the equivalent of one thousand Gigawa ours, 342 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 3: to cover the Automan winter peak demand period for its 343 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 3: own customers. This is between March and August twenty twenty five. 344 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 3: And they're saying anyone else who wants to do the same, 345 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: you need to get in quick. So there you go 346 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 3: back to the good old days of coal. It is 347 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: twenty three minutes away. 348 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 4: From six brayin Bridge. 349 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 3: We're going to our reporters around the country now. Calum's 350 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 3: first and Duned and Colm good morning to you. 351 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 2: Good to have you on the show. 352 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: Port Otago is bringing in the cash for its regional council. 353 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 9: Your morning, Ryan, Your port Otago has presented its revised 354 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 9: statement of corporate intent for the next three financial years. 355 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 9: This is up until June twenty twenty seven, and it 356 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 9: estimates fifty eight million dollars in target dividends over that time. 357 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 9: The port's owned by the oc here Fully Counselors receiving 358 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 9: the statement at a meeting yesterday. The port says as well, 359 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 9: it's top priority of its eleven issues remain safety, with 360 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 9: climate change added for the first time ranked last. Port 361 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 9: Otago includes sites in Dunedin, Port Charmers and Fjordland. 362 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: How's your weather? 363 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 3: Cloudy, light rain at times today in twenty two cheers 364 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: Cullen Claire's and christs this morning. Hey clear, it's the 365 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: last day for this phase of the coronal inquiry into 366 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 3: the mask attack. 367 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: How long does this go on for? 368 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 10: This has been going on for more than a year now, Ryan, 369 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 10: and it will continue for yet more phases. Exactly how many? 370 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 10: We're not sure. This particular phase that we're in at 371 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 10: the moment is when Deputy Chief current a Bridget Windley 372 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 10: has been hearing from experts specifically in relation to gun 373 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 10: licensing processes. So we're talking legislation licenses, how the licenses 374 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 10: were then used. We of course know that the terrorist 375 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 10: had a gun license which he had obtained in twenty seventeen. 376 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 10: Since starting at the beginning of this month, this phase 377 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 10: has heard from the terrorists licensed referees. There's also been 378 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 10: a brief from his sister who's in Australia, and also 379 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 10: those involved in his application process. Lawyers are expected to 380 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 10: make their closing statements today. This all comes as well. 381 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 10: This is quite nice, Ryan. Some Canterbury University scholarships have 382 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 10: been announced. One is called the Auto Tahi ado ha 383 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 10: wa Salam for Mosk attack survivors as well as their 384 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 10: family or family of victims, so they can pursue some study. 385 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: Right, how's your weather today? 386 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 10: Clear mainly find a bit of high cloud about Sgustine 387 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 10: nor that these will ease at a hive of twenty. 388 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: Two great he a good one, MAXs and Wellington Max. 389 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 3: Some names now being floated about for the Crown observer 390 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: role for the Council. 391 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: Who are we talking? 392 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 11: Yeah, whoever it is will have to possess a great 393 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 11: deal of patience to sit in on ours long council 394 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 11: meetings with this current group. It's mostly speculation with a 395 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 11: dash of speaking to sources, or more the latter than 396 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 11: the former. A former Toadonga City Council commissioner, and Tolly's 397 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 11: name has been thrown around a lot in the past 398 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 11: day and a half. She has the experience intimate knowledge 399 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 11: of council workings, but not perhaps this particular council, but 400 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 11: that doesn't seem especially important. But now she says she 401 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 11: is retired, but isn't ruling it out former Wantington mayor 402 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 11: fran Wilde, the former or Harlio MP, Peter Dunn, Kerry Prendergast, 403 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 11: She doesn't reckon she's up to it or perhaps some 404 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 11: faceless former public servant HDP yesterday suggested it should be 405 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 11: a lefty who can understand the books. Local government Minister 406 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 11: Simeon Brown says the official process is going through the 407 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 11: Department of Eternal Affairs, but some people have already been 408 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 11: putting their names forward, and of the names publicly touted, 409 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 11: Brown says, they've been mostly good and he appreciates the feedback. 410 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 3: Where do you find a left who understands the books. Kidding, 411 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 3: that's kidding, Hey, I reckon, don't discount Bill English because 412 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 3: he finished that kying Or order. He did the review 413 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 3: of kying Or Order's property. He's probably got a bit 414 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 3: of free time and he lives in Wellington crucially, so 415 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 3: you'd save a bit of cash, right anyway. 416 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: How's your weatherm. 417 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 11: Yes, keeping him very well employed. Mostly cloudy today, some 418 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 11: very strong winds sixteen the high. 419 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 3: Brilliant, thank you androit Max Neva's and Auckland Neva. Have 420 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 3: they found the person who they think stabbed the individual 421 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 3: on the bus. 422 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 12: No, they haven't. Oh this story makes my blood boil 423 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 12: and everyone else here in Auckland and around the country. 424 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 12: So yes, you're right. Police are still searching for the 425 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 12: suspect the fatals stabbing the bus passenger and Norni hunger. 426 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 12: They've identified the person through CCTV that we know that 427 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 12: the emergency services they transported you know, one person. This 428 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 12: was yesterday afternoon Auckland City Hospital, critical condition but that 429 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 12: happened about two thirty but that person later died. The 430 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 12: Auckland councilors so they've come out pushing for boosted public 431 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 12: transport security. What do you do the Public Transport Users 432 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 12: Association chair, This is Neil Robertson. He says, police patrols 433 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 12: of transport, that's what's needed. He said, you know that 434 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 12: works well, proven well overseas. So let's just see what 435 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 12: happens after this. 436 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 2: How's the weather neither. 437 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 12: Fine apart from morning and evening cloud very very warm. 438 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 12: Summer's coming. 439 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 3: Twenty one is the high brilliant. 440 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 5: Thank you. 441 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 3: It's interesting. We've had lots of texts on this this morning. Ryan, 442 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 3: my son is fifteen and I refuse to let him 443 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 3: ride the bus. I'd rather take him to and from 444 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 3: score pick him up. Society has become two violences. 445 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 12: See that's the thing. I was just wondering. You know, 446 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 12: who's going to catch the bus? 447 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: You know today? 448 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: Right after that, exactly and lots of ye, Chris says 449 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 3: we need a security guard on every bus. 450 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 2: That must be a joke. 451 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 3: I mean, you cannot put a security guard on every 452 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 3: single bus, can you. It's just completely impractical. Eighteen minutes 453 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: away from six News Talk ZB, we're live for the States. 454 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 4: Next International correspondents with ends and eye insurance, Peace of 455 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 4: mind for New Zealand. 456 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 3: Business just had a texture on one of our listeners 457 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: this morning, and thank you for the updates. By the way, 458 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 3: we had some great ones yesterday on the America's Cup 459 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: and where it may or may not be held next time. 460 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a second. 461 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 3: Right now, though, we're going to our correspondent out of 462 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 3: the United States, Sally Patterson is with us. Sally, the 463 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 3: comments from Trump's former chief of staff. 464 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 13: That's right, Ryan, So we've heard these pretty explosive comments 465 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 13: from John F. Kelly coming out now. He was Donald 466 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 13: Trump's longest serving chief of staff. He's a former Marine 467 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 13: general who was first US Homeland Secretary Security Secretary under Trump, 468 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 13: and he moved into the White House in twenty seventeen. 469 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 13: But since then he's become ever more critical of his 470 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 13: former boss. And after Trump made some comments that you 471 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 13: may remember about using the military against what he called 472 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 13: the enemy within, Kelly says he felt like he had 473 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 13: to speak out now. In this new interview with The 474 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 13: New York Times, Kelly says, in his opinion, the former 475 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 13: president meets the definition of a fascist. He also claims 476 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 13: the presidential candidate admires dictators, including Hitler, and would govern 477 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 13: like one if allowed. Plus, he says he has no 478 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 13: understanding of the Constitution. Now, this isn't the first time 479 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 13: we've heard comments like this coming out from Kelly. Trump 480 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 13: spokesperson called the accounts of his time at the White 481 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 13: House debunked stories. But there's less than two weeks to 482 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 13: go now until election day here in the US, so 483 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 13: every new comment coming out each day could help sway 484 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 13: voters one way or the other. 485 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 2: What is this true? Do we know that this actually 486 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: happened and was seen. 487 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 13: Well, we've got Kelly's accounts of the situation. He gave 488 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 13: quite a lengthy interview with The New York Times about it. 489 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 13: We've even heard some recordings of that. We've really only 490 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 13: got his accounts and the accounts of other senior White 491 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 13: House officials. Donald Trump has of course consistently denied that 492 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 13: he would say things to this nature, but we have 493 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 13: heard him say quite outrageous comments in the past. He says, 494 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 13: for example, that he admires Hitler because of his economic 495 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 13: policies during that period of financial difficulty for Germany, and 496 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 13: also says he likes the way that he commanded his 497 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 13: soldiers and his army chiefs. So we're not sure exactly 498 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 13: which bits of these are verbatim, but certainly some shocking 499 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 13: accusations coming out. 500 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time. 501 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: Great to have you on the program, as always, Seally Pederson, 502 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 3: our US correspondent. It's thirteen minutes away from. 503 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: Six Brian Bridge. 504 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 7: Now. 505 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 3: The Order to General has a reporter out. It's fifty 506 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 3: four pages long, and I just be with me just 507 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 3: while I read one little part of it actually says 508 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 3: that we don't the Ministry of Education doesn't have enough 509 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: information about student achievement, which I think is something we know. 510 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 3: It's interesting they also talk about inequities in education, so 511 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 3: the ministry knows there wide variations in student achievement between 512 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: some broadly defined groups. For example, there are long standing 513 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: disparities between girls and boys in different subjects for students 514 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 3: in lower socioeconomic areas, for Mali and Pacific students. 515 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: We know that right. 516 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: However, it is also clear, says the report, that some 517 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 3: students that belong to these broadly defined student groups are 518 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 3: reaching their potential. There are girls who are high achievers 519 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 3: in maths and boys who are high achievers in reading. 520 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 3: Nine percent of students with the lowest socioeconomic backgrounds achieved 521 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 3: excellence in maths nine percent. Why is that happening? Why 522 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 3: do some disadvantaged kids achieve and others not. Mark Potter 523 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 3: is the president of the NZI, is with us this morning. 524 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: Good morning, Mark, good morning. The reports is that the 525 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 2: ministry can't answer that question. Do you have an answer? 526 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 14: Well, yeah, it's actually Alfie Cohin in America said that 527 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 14: standardized testing is a very good way of sitting out 528 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 14: how big the houses are near the schools where the 529 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 14: tests are delivered. So the idea of standized testing giving 530 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 14: you in depth information that the complex question the audit 531 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 14: general is asking. Standardized testing is never going to give 532 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 14: it to us. All it's going to test is so 533 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 14: receive knowledge, which is only part of the learning of children. 534 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 14: The disparity, even within such economic groups will have answers 535 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 14: that we won't find just by testing the children. 536 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: Are we wasting time and money then throwing millions of 537 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 3: dollars at that programs that are designed to level the 538 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: playing field. 539 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: If we can't. 540 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: Answer that question, that basic question about it, that will 541 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: inform what works right. 542 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 14: Well, it's a very good question, and the teaching profession 543 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 14: has been quite clear for quite some time that we 544 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 14: need significant investments in the things that we know will 545 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 14: make a difference. We have a waiting lists for specialist 546 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 14: support that are too long. We have teachers outnumbered by 547 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 14: the number of children with increasing demands in the classrooms. 548 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 14: We need more support, teacher aids and so on. We 549 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 14: need more time for teachers to prepare for an increasingly 550 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 14: high expectation that society has of the learning of children. 551 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 14: This is where we need investments. We don't need more 552 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 14: measurements because we already know these issues. They have already 553 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 14: been identified. New Zealand, OECD has said, has had the 554 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 14: fastest growing social economic gap in the world. And go 555 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 14: figure that we've been struggling to maintain the same achievement 556 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 14: levels we used to enjoy once upon a time. In fact, 557 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 14: as a country, we're an outlier inc the data, because 558 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 14: they say we perform much higher in education than our 559 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 14: social economic factors indicate we should. 560 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 3: Can you say, I mean, you're obviously asking for as 561 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 3: you have done previously, asking for more money for techarides 562 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: and all these kinds of things. Can we say that 563 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 3: if we put all that money in, because we're spending 564 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 3: well eight and a half billion dollars on education at 565 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 3: the moment, if we put all that money in, will 566 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: we get outcomes? 567 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 2: Will we get results? 568 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 14: Well, yes, we can say that because if he's look 569 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 14: into the evidence research around those very factors, they do 570 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 14: make significant difference to how children can learn. There are 571 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 14: a lot of factors outside the schools that schools cannot 572 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 14: deal with, so our teachers face inequity on a daily basis. 573 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 14: But the things that can be done that can be 574 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 14: changed within the schools means our minister who does want 575 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 14: to make a difference needs to have a government background 576 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 14: by giving a genuine new money to invest, not to 577 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 14: clip and cut funly from one part of education and 578 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 14: move it to another. We've been doing that for decades 579 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 14: and it's not looking for our children. 580 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 3: All right, Mark, thanks very much for your time this morning. 581 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 3: That's Mark Potter, President of the NZEI. 582 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: Great to have you on. 583 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 3: The program is always eight minutes away from six. The 584 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 3: Minister will be on with Mike later on this morning 585 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 3: for those who are interested. The audis general support. As 586 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 3: I said, it is quite long, but it is quite interesting. 587 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 3: The fact that they cannot pinpoint why some do better 588 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: than others. And if you can't pinpoint that, are you 589 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 3: not excuse my French when you're putting money into programs, 590 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 3: just kind of pissing in the wind. 591 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 4: The first word on the News of the Day early 592 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 4: edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith, City New Zealand's Furniture 593 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 4: Beds and a Playing Store. 594 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: News Talks b. 595 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: Sticks away from six y're on news Talk seb Our 596 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 3: listener reports this morning. Yesterday we had one saying about 597 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: Andrew Bailey, who had stood up and corrected the record 598 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 3: in Parliament at ten o'clock the night before. This morning 599 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 3: we've had a text from Philip who says an update 600 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 3: from the newspaper here in Barcelona is that Barcelona will 601 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 3: not be hosting the next America's Cup. There is a 602 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 3: report from a local media and we've had a look 603 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 3: at it. Organizers in the city council have apparently ruled 604 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 3: out hosting the next America's Cup after an amicable split 605 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: apparently emerates. Team New Zealand CEO Grant Dalton told the 606 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 3: newspaper it would be difficult to expand the number of 607 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,239 Speaker 3: teams based on the available infrastructure in Barcelona. So then 608 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 3: you go five minutes away from six on Newstalk z 609 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 3: b Ray and Bridge, Good morning, Mike morning, Good to 610 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 3: see you. 611 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 6: Even better to see you Ryan. 612 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: Do you can you answer the question why do some 613 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 3: poor kids? 614 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 6: Well, there's no, no, there is no answer. 615 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: Think about it. 616 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 6: I'm a poor kid. I came from a deprived ish background. 617 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 6: I did fine, I did okay? 618 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: So why? 619 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 7: But why? 620 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: Because I wanted it? Because I wanted to? Did you 621 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: have good family support? Always? There's always that, I mean 622 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 2: for every kid. 623 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 6: You look at all the millionaires, all the self made 624 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 6: people in the world who came from you know, difficult beginnings, 625 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 6: who had dyslexia, inciting one from Richard Branson down. You 626 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 6: know your upbringing, your background either holds you back or 627 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 6: it doesn't. I've always believed it's a choice. And if 628 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 6: you want to sit there and be a victim and go, well, 629 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 6: look I as poor as a kid, or mum wasn't 630 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 6: home much, your dad disappeared, or whatever the case may be, 631 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 6: and that's your excuse for life. Guess what, That's how 632 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 6: your life will play out. Whereas if you want to 633 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 6: make something of yourself you can. 634 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 3: The one thing worse than poverty is the absence of 635 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 3: love is like a love poverty. I would have thought 636 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 3: it's very hard if you grew up in a household 637 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 3: where there's no love and care. Also, even if there's 638 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 3: no money, where if there's no loving care to actually 639 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 3: do well later Probably whether you value education. 640 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 6: If you've got a mum or dad that never went 641 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 6: to school and aren't interested in you go, what are 642 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 6: you doing that for your big loser? Why would you 643 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 6: do that? I never do, et cetera. That's probably difficult. 644 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 6: You don't want to underestimate the school, the quality of 645 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 6: the school. You don't want to underestimate the quality of 646 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 6: the teachers, whether you know, connect with an individual who 647 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 6: shows an interest in you, all that sort of stuff. 648 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,479 Speaker 6: It's a fascinating thing. I just don't know you'll ever 649 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 6: get to the bottom of it in a report. 650 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 3: Sadly anyway, despite it being fifty four pages long. 651 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 6: Precisely, but despite that, as you said, the minister will 652 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 6: be willis brilliant. 653 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 3: Have a great morning everyone, I will see you tomorrow. 654 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 3: I just getting to know Mike a bit more, isn't it. 655 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 3: And then it's a little segments. 656 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 4: For more from early edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen live 657 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 4: to news Talks it'd be from five am weekdays, or 658 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 4: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.