1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Get a It's diary here from the Headache Breakfast, just 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: letting you know that if you're listening to the podcast 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: but didn't know that we also do a live radio show, 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: we do. And if you're wondering how to find out 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: what frequency to listen to us in your area, just 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: takes north or south as an island to three four 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: eight three and we'll let you know. And now let's 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: get on with the podcast. Die Hammer joins us on 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: the podcast today, get a. 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: Die Good Morning. The trumpets the fanfare, I feel that 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: should be brought back a lot more, you know that. 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: We'll let you know that regal vibe of where people 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: showed up and there was just a full fan fit, 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: fan fait. We lost trumpets with flags on them. Yep. 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: I think that one. They're that fan fear their Battlestar Galactica. 16 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: I'd be very happy whenever I entered room for that 17 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: to play. 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: Yep. 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it does mean that can be a 20 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: little bit of a hard act to follow. You know, 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: it's like this, the guy's arrived and then you sort 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: of turn up in show house, everything going and it's 23 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: a bit like, you know, you need to turn up 24 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: with something if you're going to turn up with fan fear. 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: There was. 26 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: I suppose it's like yeah, because you'd have it in 27 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 2: situations where you're a prime minister and you're visiting like 28 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: the Pop and Good popcorn factory in Tao Minto or something, 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: and you show up and there's all a fan fair. 30 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: Then they sort of handy your white hair and you 31 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: can put on I know this is where we make 32 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: the popcorn. Mate. You know, it doesn't feel quite I 33 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: know it doesn't feel quite something. 34 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: You know that they've got the US, the presidential one. 35 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 3: They've got a march for the president when he shows up. Yeah, 36 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: the what's it called to the Chief to the Court 37 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: a fan fair. So that was a president called James K. 38 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: Polk who was about four foot nine or something, and 39 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: so he's very short, and he thought that people were 40 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: taking the past out of him because of it, and 41 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: so brought in the presidential march so. 42 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: That people four foot nine because that's short, because people 43 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: think of your short leaders like you Napoleon. But he 44 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: was he was sure he is my size. Yeah, not 45 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: that short. No, b's sort of five and a half 46 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: foot four nine's next level. 47 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've pulled that number out of my mask. 48 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: It could be wrong now, but there's a there's a 49 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: lot of power I reckon behind a very short president 50 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: because everyone has the what's this thing? 51 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: You know? 52 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: What is he? 53 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: Well? 54 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: I've noticed? I mean, does he derivers? Vladimir Zelensky small small, 55 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: an actor, a comedian. 56 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: As stand up comedian, stand up comedian. 57 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: Zelenski is a lot shorter than Poets. 58 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: But poots you never see. He strikes me as someone 59 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: who has enough power to make sure no one around 60 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: him is too tall, you know, so you never actually 61 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: get a vibe of do we feel. 62 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: Like Poets nowadays? Is the most powerful man in the world. 63 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: Nah, No, I reckon. He does a very good job 64 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: of project projecting that power. 65 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: But I mean, when I in terms of how I 66 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: gauge that, I would say, has a has nuclear weapons 67 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: that he can deploy when he wants to. He's got that. 68 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: He's got a good combo. He's comboed up well with 69 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: North Korea. 70 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: He's got Yeah, he's got he's got an army that 71 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: he can run when everyone He's a dictator, so he 72 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: can't be deposed. It's impossible to get rid of him. 73 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: He's also a billionaire. Himself. He has billionaires who are 74 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: only billionaires because he allows them to be billionaires. 75 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: Well, we stopped there. One of the billionaires he just 76 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: shut down now other day, do you think, Yeah, he 77 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: was on the tarmac about to take off and he 78 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: just shut down his plane and said, we own your company. 79 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: Now your money goes to the greater good of Russia. 80 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: So that billionaire, I would say, without knowing anything about that. 81 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: The behind the scenes part of that is that I 82 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: suspect they would have not been paying their the Jews 83 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: and the Jews, and yeah, you have to pay a 84 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: certain percentage. All those oligarchs pay him to remain oligarchs. 85 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. And if they don't, if the 86 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: terms aren't to his favor, that he's not happy about them, then. 87 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: It becomes very slippery around windows. 88 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: Yep, this is the most powerful and he can get 89 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: anyone killed he wants, and he will not be held 90 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: accountable for that. 91 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: See I was thinking, I like what you're thinking. My 92 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 2: initial thought was President, she is it ping. But but 93 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: he's more hamstrung by global trade, the fact that all 94 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: the electronics are made there, so he can't just go buckwild, 95 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: whereas Russia is a bit more isolated. 96 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 4: Ah yes, And. 97 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: Also I think the Communist Party itself is still a 98 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: reasonably powerful entity inside of China even without g in 99 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: charge of it, whereas the entire Russian region, the entire 100 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: Russia would fall down if Putin disappears, that will be 101 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: the end of Russia. This is the problem that we've got, 102 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: is that you've got this guy who's in charge, who's horrific, 103 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: but the reality of him not being in charge economically 104 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 1: for the rest of the world and how everything sits 105 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: after that is even worse. 106 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 2: I was wondering whether if you're living in Russia like 107 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: Russia's the extent of Russia is insane, the size. If 108 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: you're living so far away from Moscow, you're in a 109 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: tiny little of lost vlood of Oscar doc or someone. 110 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 2: How affected are you by Putin or are you just 111 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: li trying to survive the elements? 112 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: I think not that. I think that Geographic a year, 113 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: you know how close people are to each other, proximity, 114 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: proximity is the weather, well, thank you, and I that 115 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: human thecerous that is important in those dictatorial regimes. And 116 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: I also remember because I went to Libya once and 117 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: Gaddafi obviously was the former dictator of Louis, very powerful man. 118 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: Mar Gaddafi, very powerful man. But we went all the 119 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: way too. So we started in Tripoli and that's where 120 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: Gaddafi's power really started. And then when we went across 121 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: the Tabronk, which was on the on the eastern side 122 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: of Libya, it was a different thing. It was a 123 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: completely different thing. He definitely had less control of that 124 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: part of the country than he did in Tripoli. 125 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: And you have more of the similar to what Afghanistan has, 126 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: of tribal areas that are controlled by those tribal leaders 127 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: or wall ords or whatever. I was thinking, we're not 128 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: striving in on the radio shars listening, you're playing the clash, 129 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: you know, rock the Kasmar Sharif don't like it. And 130 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: it made me think to that time and went Middle 131 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: East felt a little bit more loose. Back then. They 132 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: could go over there and rock the kaspar have a party, 133 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: you know, back in the day. You know, Iran was 134 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: one of the most liberated countries when you when you 135 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: had woman dress, how they want getting fully educated as 136 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: doctors and stuff. It was a bit of a party country. 137 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: You know, Turkey, you know, Greg get over there, grab yourself, 138 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: a little sweet tea in a modual date, get your hairlines, 139 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: get your Turkish airlines. 140 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: I think we created that as Islamic fundamentalists and all 141 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: the regimes that stemmed out of there. I think that 142 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: was created by the West. 143 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we definitely set up Isis, which was, in hindsight, 144 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: not the ideal move. If you want to if you 145 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: want to spend a bit of time today, Vice made 146 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: a documentary where they went in to Isis because I 147 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: just have a PR guy, right, So he reached out 148 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: to Vice and he was, hey, do you want to 149 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: come in and check out how we roll? So he 150 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: hopped in the back of a modified Toyota, a land 151 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: cruiser with a gatling gun on the back of it 152 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: as they tend to roll, and always your one dude 153 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: hanging out the window with an RPG, which feels your 154 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: AIM's going to be off the recoil on your shoulder, but. 155 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: Overkill because you're right beside each other. 156 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: But they pull into this Isis town and get out 157 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: and the PA guys like, check it out, how cool 158 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: is this? And you're like, your your version of Colton, Yeah, 159 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 2: is very different. 160 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: The Corimandel. 161 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: It's like a group of ten dudes in a circle 162 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: trying to kick chickens. There's you know, everyone who shouldn't 163 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: have an AK is just cruising around with an AK. 164 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 3: So there was an earthquake in Afghanistan this week. It 165 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: was a massive earthquake and they showed footage of the 166 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: relief being and obviously their government is the Taliban. So 167 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: you have an earthquake and you're trying to rebuild, trying 168 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: to get people out of the rubble. Who comes to 169 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: the rescue the Taliban and they all have AK forty 170 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: seven slung over their shoulder and you're watching them trying 171 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: to dig people out of the rubble, and these guns 172 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 3: are like, just take the gun off, keep the gun on. 173 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: Well, when you put the guard what you you can't 174 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: put it down beside you. 175 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,599 Speaker 2: It's because there's a ready to bring it. There was 176 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: a real crisis of masculinity within the Taliban when they 177 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: took over Afghanistan again, because they took it over right, 178 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 2: so they're like, okay, the Yanks have gone, we own it. 179 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: And now it's like okay, mate, you know you've been 180 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 2: out in the foothills firing and shooting on people all day. 181 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: Now we want you if you can just do passport stamps. Yep. 182 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: So you're on admin now. So all these guys who like, 183 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 2: we're young testosterone field dudes, foreign RPGs and stuff all day. 184 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: Now they're in government. So it's like local body politics. 185 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 2: It's like, okay, guys, we just have a conversation. Are 186 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: we going to put in some so are we doing 187 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: cycle lanes or are we are we focus on actual roading. 188 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: That's so interesting that the idea of the love of 189 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: war and the love of all of that stuff, and 190 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: that's something that people take out of it, and how 191 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: much love some people do take out of it. That's 192 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: such an interesting one. I read something about the American 193 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: Indians and in some parts of the reservation when they 194 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: were giving out reservation land, and the American government in 195 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: the eighteen sexties are saying, Okay, you can have this land, 196 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: but you've got to stay there and we'll give you land. 197 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: We'll give you, we'll give food, will arrive for you, 198 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: everything will be fine. You know, you will sort you out. 199 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: You guys go go to school. And then a whole 200 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: lot of the young, the young Native Americans were like, 201 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: we want to we we don't want to sit around. 202 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: We want to fight. We want to scalp people, like 203 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: we actually want to scalp people. We we love scalping people, 204 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: we love killing people. We want to fight, we want 205 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: to I would rather fight and die than sit around 206 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: and do nothing. You don't understand what it means to 207 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: be me and the important part of what that is 208 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: to us. And I found that really interesting. I was like, yeah, okay, 209 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,599 Speaker 1: that's a lot of people thought they don't want any violence. No, no, 210 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: we like the violence. That was a big thing. We like, 211 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: do you not see that coming? 212 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 2: Do you fix things by designating a part of the 213 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: world where it's like, you know, if you want to ruckus, 214 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: you guys, just go over there and terraces. 215 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: It's like saying in Eden Park, right, you got the terraces, 216 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: you know, let off fireworks. I saw that Diego Maradona 217 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: documentary the other day and oh my god, and Napoli, 218 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: Holy crap, the crowd. It's a great doco. The crowd. 219 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: Oh my god, they are lit their fires going on 220 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: in the grandstand because it's all concrete, so you can 221 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: just you can like fires. It's all good. 222 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: Well, even old not too long ago, the old school 223 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: Indian cricket crowds where you there were fireworks that was 224 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: just packed to the gunnals and they had those huge nets. 225 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: I went to when over on an all black tour 226 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: to Argentina and we went to the Boker Junior Club 227 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: football club, and you know, you look at their terraces. 228 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: They're so steep and they just have the odd railer 229 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: and I'm like, if you all start pushing, you know, 230 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: you see how absolute chaos it's use. And that footage 231 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 2: from Maradona's time is just crazy. Also, that was the 232 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: days where pitch invasions were sort of just what happened 233 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: at the end. 234 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,599 Speaker 1: Of games, so they had motes around someone so you 235 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: couldn't you can still do now because of that. 236 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: But I remember storming the field after Crusaders games, you know, 237 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 3: like that we used to be a country, you know, 238 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: we used to stand for something. 239 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 4: Can we have a quick break here and then we'll 240 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 4: carry on and that's the fan fea. 241 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: I thought that was the beginning of the Argentinian national anthem. 242 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: It also made me think how much we need to 243 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: bring moats back in terms of landscaping. 244 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: Just in general. 245 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking, you know, I live in Avondale, 246 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: which is a lovely suburb of Auckland, has a moat. Basically, yeah, 247 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: it has its issues though you know, we had our 248 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: bikes nicked from inside our gates. Would that have happened 249 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: with a moat if we're just pulled up the drawbridge 250 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: as you go to bed, you know? But then what 251 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 2: sort of what sort of amphibians are you rocking in 252 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 2: New Zealand to defend? Because then Aussie you chuck a 253 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: couple of saltwater freshwater cross in there. 254 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the also you'd have to fence the moat. 255 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you'd have to fence it. 256 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, body of water because in New Zealand you put 257 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 2: say some eels in there, but he can stop you. 258 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 2: Really no, it's not it burns out. But if you 259 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: stood on an eel, then you're liable because you can't 260 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 2: catch eels these days. I got trouble for catching an eel. 261 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: You what, You're not allowed to catch an eel now. 262 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: So I was in the way tuckets and when I 263 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: was a kid, right, I was out of p har 264 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: away a lot and you'd catch eels and then you'd 265 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: roll them in the sand to get all the slimy 266 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: stuff off, hang them on the washing line, and then 267 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: you'd smoke them up. Good eating if you smoke them. Yeah. 268 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: But so I thought I'll take my son, my daughter 269 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: will catch an eil. We caught neil. Then I was 270 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: round the round the show and they we heard about you. 271 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: We heard you caught neil. You know that's not You 272 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: can't catch eels these days, mate, And I was, surely 273 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: you can. There's a lot of eels in the Yeah. No, 274 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: And there wasn't a baby here. There's one eel. No, 275 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: you know, I'm not pillaging what. 276 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: Really, you're not allowed to catch an eel? 277 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: Yes, But then this is one of those things that 278 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: I'm taking off a random person who I can't even 279 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: tell you their name. 280 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: They're not a fisheries No, I mean, I'm thinking my 281 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: son does a lot of So he goes down to 282 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: Western Springs, does a lot of carp and catfish fishing, 283 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: cup of damp catfishing. Yeah, sure, yep, catfishing. Cart a 284 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: lot of catfish around the CB deck. But you're not 285 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: meant to You're not meant to do any fishing down there. 286 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: He gets told off every weekend and he does a 287 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: lot of CBD fishing as well. There's the snapper, there's. 288 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: So you're down, So you're down sort of around the 289 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: wind quarters. 290 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: Yep, he's down there doing CBD fishing. Just bloody, the 291 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: whole group of them. They bloody love it. They get 292 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: chased away by some grumpy old man who doesn't you 293 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: know the rules are you're not allowed to fish down 294 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: for something. 295 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: Look at that. When I was young, you get chased 296 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: out of you get chased out of a parking building 297 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: for skating. You should be you should be embraced, celeb 298 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: for fishing. Fishing? Is it is a zen hobby? I think? 299 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: So you're doing the least. You know, these bloody kids 300 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: standing around, they're standing around looking at the water, catching 301 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: dinner for their families. This can't happen. Shut it down. 302 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 4: What this is? 303 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: What's happening to this country. There's a cost of living crisis. 304 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: So what if most songs bringing home a couple of snapper? 305 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: Oh I know, no, no, no, no, not allowed to. No, 306 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: I can't. I'm pretty sure you are. I don't know 307 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: what this person told you about the ealing thing. I'm 308 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: sure you're allowed. 309 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: To as Yeah, you know, in small areas, people make 310 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: up their own rules. 311 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: How is this was this person in Pa. 312 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, school, I'm forty seven years deep out there 313 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: can be. 314 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: There's a new there's a there's a bit to p though, 315 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: which is like it's a it's a don't come out here. 316 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: We don't want any people out here. We don't where 317 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: We've got our own little exclusive thing. I mean, when 318 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: all the lockdowns happened and stuff like that, they were 319 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: it was full on out there. 320 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: Oh tell me about people were like vigilized. 321 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: You've been living out there at that point? 322 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was out We're out there. My mum was 323 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: out there for the whole lockdown by herself. So we'll 324 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: go out and do that, you know, and you're like, 325 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: neither of us have got COVID, but I'll stand on 326 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: the lawn and talk to you through the window. It 327 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: was it was very very strict out there, and I 328 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 2: mean we made we made that little six part doco 329 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: to encourage people not to come out. You know, we've 330 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 2: been systematically disappearing people out there for many years. Yeah, 331 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: And and it's a beautiful part in the world. But 332 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 2: it's like any smaller town, people know a lot about 333 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: each other. Yeah, but you also embrace people. It was 334 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: like I did a gig down and talk it all, 335 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: and the guy around the pub was like, Okay, so 336 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: all the people on the right, they're going to be 337 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: forestry workers and p addicts. Okay, they usually come and late. 338 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 2: They won't be buying bears, but they might disturb you 339 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 2: a bit, all good sorts, but just you know, don't 340 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: rack them up and that thing of they're just included 341 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: in the community where you've got no choice they exactly. 342 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, we include them or they smash 343 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: our windows. And I just that was the first thing 344 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: that they obviously test a lot more. Now. Yeah, the 345 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: whole myth forestry work bars was going on was like, 346 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: that's an intriguing industry to be slightly off your. 347 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: Game and lose your. 348 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 2: Nature of risk. 349 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, well no, it's the perfect industry for that because 350 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 3: you can't you can't drive a logging truck for eighteen 351 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 3: consecutive hours stone, you know what I mean. 352 00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: You need something to get you. 353 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 3: And another part, like you said, the part of the 354 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: community is like, yeah, he's a meth here, but he 355 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: also is one of the best arborists we've got. You know, 356 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 3: this guy can prone an entire heck there in the morning. 357 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: Build a build a barn. Yeah, it's in forty seven hours, 358 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 2: and so sorry, we're going. 359 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 3: To turn a blind eyed or whatever else he's doing 360 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 3: to get that done, you know what I mean. 361 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: He's got a window here of about two years where 362 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 2: he's going to be in good form. Then the psycosis 363 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: starts going to start picking up the slipping. But poor 364 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: rural New Zealand it's still dealing a lot with those 365 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: sort of issues, it is, but. 366 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: It's also currently the dealing with It's got the lowest 367 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: unemployment currently as well. I see that at all today. 368 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: Auckland is the one that's got all of the unemployment. 369 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 370 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: Well, you know, got all that sweet dairy money. Yeah, 371 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: lots of dairy money. 372 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: Look your dairy money. Plus you've got your local cafe. 373 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 2: AI is not going to write your funny coffee board 374 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 2: in the morning. 375 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: Is it. 376 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 2: Actually it's not yet, but it's not going to get 377 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: out there. It might do the brainstorming, but it's not 378 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: going to get out there with the you know and 379 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 2: write E equals M coffee squared or whatever it was 380 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 2: some other hilarious don't talk to me till I've had 381 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 2: my coffee. 382 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, you'll be pleased to know that you can catch 383 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 5: eels in New Zealand for recreational and commercial purposes, recreational 384 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 5: purposes smoking them. 385 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: So that's just someone that's just decided that they don't 386 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: like that, they want to that's their vibe was like, 387 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: we're anti ealing, we don't like it, so we're going 388 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: to spread the spread the news. 389 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 2: I'll be that guy has the law printed out and 390 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: laminated fishing satchel. It says here in the by law. 391 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 5: Well, the only thing is if you were doing it 392 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 5: on Department of Conservation land, you wouldn't be allowed to 393 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 5: do it. If you're taking more than six a day, 394 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 5: there's the bagging limit of six a day. 395 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: I have a very embarrassing fishing story that at the 396 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: time where I was young, I was with a friend 397 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: of mine and our partners. We meen can thing right, 398 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: we get there, We've got our huge rods, big like 399 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: beach fishing rods. On the road. Again, some pretty heavy 400 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: looks from people as we pull under this campground. Guys 401 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 2: straight up to us, it's this is fishing, you know. 402 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 2: Just north of Auckland, there's quite a few island it's 403 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: around Goat Island, right, and yeah, this is a reserve, 404 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: marine reserve, right, you can't fish here. So my mate 405 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: looks it up and he's will the marine reserve finishes 406 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: ten meters before the end of the beach, so we 407 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: you know, they have a few beers and as you're 408 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: going for a fish, we walked down with fishing off 409 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 2: the rocks like five meters out of the marine reserve. 410 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: You should have seen the look. It was what we 411 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: felt like, it was a power move, but in hindsight it. 412 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: Was just a. 413 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 3: Not not the best yeah, because they just don't know 414 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 3: the marine reserve finishes right there, noctly and being the 415 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 3: quality of fish fisherman I am, we didn't catch anything, right, 416 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 3: even though directly next to a marine reserve, respectfully, you 417 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: didn't get anything. 418 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: But that was pretty good because if we if we're 419 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: gone back with a huge you know what's in marine reserves. 420 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: If we've gone back with a ten pound clown fishers. 421 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: Imagine though that you can see the boundary like on 422 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: a map of where the marine reserves because it's generally 423 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: square some reason. Yeah, and then you just see boats 424 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: just lined up on the line. So what these guys 425 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: up to us like that's. 426 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: The man bottom trawling two meters outside of. 427 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: The hey dying with Thanks for coming in today. Absolute 428 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: lovely to see you. You were coming actually because you're 429 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: talking about Seven Days Live tour, which is happening in November. 430 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: You can go to seven Days. Got cot on z 431 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: to get tickets for that. 432 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: That's the one come along where we're getting around most 433 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: of the most of the I don't said there'll be 434 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: a little town or a sitting near you die him 435 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: with 436 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: M