WEBVTT - Greg McPherson: The science of ageing 0:00:05.761 --> 0:00:09.321 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talk 0:00:09.401 --> 0:00:09.721 sed be. 0:00:10.201 --> 0:00:13.321 And welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is the 0:00:13.321 --> 0:00:14.841 health up we want your cause I know one hundred 0:00:14.841 --> 0:00:17.441 and eighty ten and eighty text nine nine two. By 0:00:17.441 --> 0:00:19.041 the way, if you've missed any of our previous hours, 0:00:19.041 --> 0:00:21.081 don't forget to go and look where you get your podcasts. 0:00:21.081 --> 0:00:23.721 iHeartRadio and look for the Weekend Collective. But yes, as 0:00:23.761 --> 0:00:27.441 I say, right now taking your calls, and we've got 0:00:27.481 --> 0:00:29.921 a new guest in the studio. His name is Greg McPherson. 0:00:30.041 --> 0:00:34.321 He's a pharmacist and a biotechnologist and author as well, 0:00:34.361 --> 0:00:37.041 and we're having a chat about healthy aging and what 0:00:37.601 --> 0:00:41.201 science can do as opposed to just maybe eating a 0:00:41.201 --> 0:00:44.401 good diet and not drinking too much booze. There's a 0:00:44.481 --> 0:00:46.641 very crude way for me to summarize the issue on 0:00:46.641 --> 0:00:50.161 that one. But how would you want to live longer? 0:00:50.281 --> 0:00:52.161 And how do you want to live longer? Do you 0:00:52.201 --> 0:00:54.161 just want to live longer because of the number is? 0:00:54.201 --> 0:00:56.001 The goal for you is just to make sure that 0:00:56.041 --> 0:00:58.281 you live the highest quality life you can until your 0:00:58.281 --> 0:01:01.561 time's up. Anyway, Greg, good afternoon. How are young not 0:01:01.721 --> 0:01:03.681 tell let me just hit that button there, right, Tim? 0:01:03.721 --> 0:01:04.721 Yeah, great to be here, thank you. 0:01:04.841 --> 0:01:07.241 Yeah. So look this is tell us a bit about yourself. 0:01:07.281 --> 0:01:11.001 So you're a pharmacist, and so you would have started 0:01:11.041 --> 0:01:13.961 your career with a pharmacy degree in working at local 0:01:14.041 --> 0:01:16.881 high street, et cetera. And you've made I guess a 0:01:16.881 --> 0:01:17.681 bit of a change from that. 0:01:17.681 --> 0:01:19.961 Haven't Jim, Yeah, definitely. I think it was about fifteen 0:01:20.041 --> 0:01:23.281 years ago sort of moved from dispensing pills to biotech, 0:01:23.321 --> 0:01:26.721 which is really just starting to understand the cellular causes 0:01:26.721 --> 0:01:28.601 of aging and dial into that. 0:01:28.881 --> 0:01:31.801 So what was the impetus for that though? Did you 0:01:31.841 --> 0:01:35.281 just sort of mather you read something, or curiosity and 0:01:35.361 --> 0:01:37.121 dabbling here and there and finding out what the science 0:01:37.161 --> 0:01:38.441 was and going hey this is interesting. 0:01:38.561 --> 0:01:39.441 Yeah, all of the above. 0:01:39.521 --> 0:01:39.641 Right. 0:01:39.681 --> 0:01:42.321 I'm a bit of a nerd, so I love technology, 0:01:42.521 --> 0:01:47.041 and certainly I was introduced to a company that focused 0:01:47.041 --> 0:01:49.681 on mitochondrial health, which are the tiny batteries in our 0:01:49.761 --> 0:01:52.881 cells that run down as we age, and then expanded 0:01:52.921 --> 0:01:55.321 beyond that into like how do we slow aging? What 0:01:55.361 --> 0:02:00.001 do our cells do that as we age? And is 0:02:00.001 --> 0:02:01.481 there a way that we can pull a lever or 0:02:01.561 --> 0:02:03.361 push a button which actually slows it down. 0:02:03.921 --> 0:02:06.201 Do you think this is I mean, this is a 0:02:06.441 --> 0:02:09.881 ridiculous question, really, But we're not talking about immortality, are 0:02:09.961 --> 0:02:15.161 we We're just talking about inevitably, whatever those battery cells are, 0:02:15.161 --> 0:02:17.001 they're still going to age, aren't they. We're just talking 0:02:17.041 --> 0:02:20.121 about we're talking about basically living better for. 0:02:20.121 --> 0:02:23.281 Longer, exactly that with the technology we've got now, really 0:02:23.361 --> 0:02:26.281 it's around how do we age better and live healthier 0:02:26.321 --> 0:02:30.361 for longer. Maybe sometime in the future that'll change and 0:02:30.401 --> 0:02:33.241 we will be able to live considerably longer. But right now, 0:02:33.761 --> 0:02:38.441 scientists are literally unpacking how we age, why we age, 0:02:38.521 --> 0:02:40.881 and in the labs they are getting incredible results. 0:02:41.401 --> 0:02:44.401 There's a part of that. I think science is amazing. 0:02:44.401 --> 0:02:45.961 I think science is the way to solve a lot 0:02:45.961 --> 0:02:48.601 of our problems. But there's also something about it that 0:02:48.761 --> 0:02:52.961 kind of freaks me out. Frankensteiny sort of we're messing 0:02:52.961 --> 0:02:55.041 around with your internal cells to make you live longer, 0:02:55.041 --> 0:03:00.481 And yeah, do you have that sort of thing yourself 0:03:00.521 --> 0:03:03.321 where you're like, oh, this is scary stuff or is 0:03:03.321 --> 0:03:04.681 it exciting? What do you sit on this? 0:03:05.081 --> 0:03:07.361 I think it's exciting, and the best way to describe it, 0:03:07.401 --> 0:03:09.241 I think is if you spoke to someone one hundred 0:03:09.321 --> 0:03:12.361 years ago and you said to them, they would like 0:03:12.401 --> 0:03:15.921 to give you an extra twenty years of healthy life, 0:03:16.001 --> 0:03:18.601 those people would have embraced it, and they would and 0:03:18.681 --> 0:03:20.641 we just take it as normal now that we can 0:03:20.641 --> 0:03:22.001 live to seventy eighty. 0:03:21.921 --> 0:03:24.921 Well, we haven't got that technology. Now we are living longer. 0:03:25.121 --> 0:03:28.801 Why are we living longer? Because it's the joke. It's like, 0:03:28.841 --> 0:03:32.521 oh forties, the forties, the new thirty, fifties and new forty. 0:03:32.641 --> 0:03:34.601 I use that line all the time because it suits me, 0:03:35.081 --> 0:03:38.641 but it feels true. I look at people from two 0:03:38.681 --> 0:03:40.921 or three generations ago who might have been in their fifties, 0:03:40.961 --> 0:03:43.801 and they looked like old people, whereas now fifties sort 0:03:43.841 --> 0:03:45.841 of genuinely sort of middle age. 0:03:45.921 --> 0:03:48.281 Yeah, look, a couple of generations ago, you'd be packed 0:03:48.281 --> 0:03:50.241 off to the rest time at fifty five or sixty. 0:03:50.321 --> 0:03:52.561 And the whole reason we've got that pension at sixty 0:03:52.561 --> 0:03:55.041 five is that most people fell off the planet well 0:03:55.081 --> 0:03:58.081 before then. So you know, we just I think we're 0:03:58.201 --> 0:04:01.841 thinking differently. We're aging better in terms of just being 0:04:01.881 --> 0:04:04.921 more youthful on how we think and look. We get 0:04:05.201 --> 0:04:07.281 better at some of the food we eat, we're getting 0:04:07.281 --> 0:04:10.961 better at understanding what it takes to be healthier for longer, but. 0:04:11.401 --> 0:04:13.481 Just I can't quite marry that up with the massive 0:04:13.481 --> 0:04:16.481 difference we have got though, because are we really eating 0:04:16.521 --> 0:04:18.401 that much healthier than fifty years ago? 0:04:18.641 --> 0:04:21.321 Yeah, well probably not. Actually, when you think about what 0:04:21.521 --> 0:04:24.281 a lot of people are reading today, life expectancy is 0:04:24.321 --> 0:04:27.001 the average, right, So really, when we say that we're 0:04:27.001 --> 0:04:29.201 all living a lot longer, a lot of it is 0:04:29.241 --> 0:04:32.641 to do with childhood mortality. So reck in the early days, 0:04:32.641 --> 0:04:34.681 the average was dragged down because I think it was 0:04:34.721 --> 0:04:36.841 something like one of three children didn't make it past 0:04:36.841 --> 0:04:40.361 the age of five. So this is we've got better 0:04:40.401 --> 0:04:43.321 at childhood mortality. But you know, back in the you know, 0:04:43.361 --> 0:04:45.601 fifty hundred, two hundred years ago, there were still people 0:04:45.641 --> 0:04:48.201 living until sixties and seventies and eighties. They were just 0:04:48.321 --> 0:04:48.881 very lucky. 0:04:49.321 --> 0:04:51.041 Yeah. In fact, I think that was one of the 0:04:51.041 --> 0:04:54.361 reasons people had larger families, because back in the Victorian times, 0:04:54.441 --> 0:04:57.761 you know, not everyone necessarily made to their teens, did they. 0:04:57.881 --> 0:05:00.561 Well, In fact, I think some children weren't actually named 0:05:00.641 --> 0:05:02.561 until they got to the age of five because it 0:05:02.681 --> 0:05:04.321 was much not much chance they were going to get 0:05:04.321 --> 0:05:07.401 beyond that limy, that's pretty grid is quite grim. 0:05:07.241 --> 0:05:10.241 That is really grim. Do you want to live? What's 0:05:10.321 --> 0:05:10.801 your goal? 0:05:11.961 --> 0:05:12.121 Look? 0:05:12.161 --> 0:05:14.441 I just want to be healthy for as long as possible, 0:05:14.481 --> 0:05:18.201 and if we can add twenty years to like have 0:05:18.281 --> 0:05:20.361 the adulthood, then I'd be incredibly happy. 0:05:21.481 --> 0:05:25.561 So what about the quality? I mean, is it the quality? 0:05:26.961 --> 0:05:30.841 How does that balance? Because obviously, because of actually this 0:05:30.921 --> 0:05:33.081 is the problem. You see, because of science, we can 0:05:33.121 --> 0:05:36.001 also prolong our lives even though it's pretty bloom and miserable. 0:05:36.121 --> 0:05:37.201 Yeah, well this is the problem. 0:05:37.321 --> 0:05:37.401 Right. 0:05:37.481 --> 0:05:39.881 We've solved a lot of the things that stop us 0:05:39.881 --> 0:05:42.681 getting old, but we've now, I guess, hit a level 0:05:42.681 --> 0:05:45.481 where we've got these chronic diseases. So no one wants 0:05:45.521 --> 0:05:47.641 to sort of slip into a rest home and enjoy 0:05:47.681 --> 0:05:52.361 the we've experienced the joys of incontinence for twenty years longer. Right, 0:05:52.441 --> 0:05:54.841 That's not what we want. It's about how do we 0:05:55.561 --> 0:05:58.161 want to square the curve? So it means incredibly healthy 0:05:58.241 --> 0:06:01.121 until we're about to shuffle off, if you will, And 0:06:01.161 --> 0:06:03.881 it's expend the amount of time that you are healthy. 0:06:04.001 --> 0:06:08.401 So the average health span is actually only sixty three, 0:06:08.601 --> 0:06:10.641 So that's the average time that you can expect to 0:06:10.641 --> 0:06:15.161 be healthy health span. Yeah, that sounds pretty young, doesn't it. 0:06:15.161 --> 0:06:17.681 For it's super young. It's quite confronting when you. 0:06:17.761 --> 0:06:20.881 How much is it's just genetics? It looks bad luck. 0:06:21.001 --> 0:06:24.081 You know, look the older you get, you more, you see, 0:06:24.081 --> 0:06:27.201 it's it's luck that gets you to old age. 0:06:27.401 --> 0:06:30.321 Okay, so what are you doing yourself? Obviously we haven't 0:06:30.521 --> 0:06:32.761 perfected the science on this stuff yet, but what do 0:06:32.801 --> 0:06:34.761 you do to make sure you're living as long as 0:06:34.761 --> 0:06:36.081 you can as healthy as possible? 0:06:36.161 --> 0:06:39.041 Yeah, definitely. So there's like a foundational five, right, which 0:06:39.081 --> 0:06:41.681 is about diet. We know that the Mediterranean diet is 0:06:41.721 --> 0:06:47.601 incredibly well associated with longevity. Exercise, so you know, getting 0:06:47.721 --> 0:06:52.841 thirty minutes a day of exercise is fantastic for our longevity. Sleep. 0:06:53.321 --> 0:06:55.041 When I was a student, it was like, I'll sleep 0:06:55.081 --> 0:06:56.881 and I'm dead. And it turns out if you don't 0:06:57.041 --> 0:06:58.801 you don't sleep, you will get dead. It's it's a 0:06:58.841 --> 0:07:06.081 really important aspect of your general health. Managing stress. And 0:07:06.121 --> 0:07:07.921 it's not the stress that's the issue, it's how you 0:07:07.961 --> 0:07:10.681 manage it. So you can have an incredibly stressful job, 0:07:10.681 --> 0:07:14.361 but if you have ways to do it meditate or whatever, 0:07:14.521 --> 0:07:17.441 or unwind you're in good shape, and then forging deep 0:07:17.521 --> 0:07:20.801 social relationships with your partner, with your family, with your pets, 0:07:20.841 --> 0:07:24.361 with clubs, whatever it is. And those those five things 0:07:24.401 --> 0:07:28.641 are actually correlated with adding up five to ten years 0:07:28.681 --> 0:07:29.521 of healthy life. 0:07:29.761 --> 0:07:32.401 So okay, let's look at something as simple as sleep. 0:07:32.801 --> 0:07:34.441 So if you're not getting enough sleep, what is the 0:07:34.441 --> 0:07:37.281 physical manifestation of that that shortens your life? 0:07:37.761 --> 0:07:40.001 You know, it's a weird thing and it took me 0:07:40.041 --> 0:07:41.681 a long time to get my head around it. But 0:07:42.001 --> 0:07:46.401 when you lose sleep, you're actually putting yourselves under a 0:07:46.441 --> 0:07:50.361 lot of stress. And it's and so you know, there 0:07:50.401 --> 0:07:54.961 are basically that's what it is. There are little chemical 0:07:55.001 --> 0:08:00.161 messages that move around your body that are unhelpful when 0:08:00.161 --> 0:08:01.041 you have less sleep. 0:08:01.121 --> 0:08:03.441 And does that sort of have an effect on as 0:08:03.481 --> 0:08:07.961 it I am? Is it hard sort of stuff or 0:08:08.001 --> 0:08:09.601 is it cancer sort of stuff? Or is it the 0:08:09.601 --> 0:08:11.441 whole span? Because I mean there's a lot of reasons 0:08:11.441 --> 0:08:14.201 why people, yeah, shuffle off this mortal coil. 0:08:14.481 --> 0:08:17.641 Absolutely no. Look, it's just really about if you're not 0:08:17.681 --> 0:08:20.441 sleeping well, proactively finding ways to do it, because yes, 0:08:20.521 --> 0:08:26.041 it does put your risk of heart issues of dementia, 0:08:26.641 --> 0:08:30.481 has many many impacts, and it's quite remarkable that your brain, 0:08:30.721 --> 0:08:33.481 how much it actually affects if we sell on your body, 0:08:34.001 --> 0:08:37.041 So lack of sleep, poor management of stress actually does 0:08:37.081 --> 0:08:37.921 imprint itself. 0:08:38.201 --> 0:08:42.121 And do you I mean you mentioned that the diet, exercise, 0:08:42.201 --> 0:08:45.241 sleep stress, I mean everything seems to tie back to 0:08:45.321 --> 0:08:49.721 the magic WED stress just about because having healthy relationships 0:08:49.761 --> 0:08:52.361 would help you deal with stress, Having good nded sleep 0:08:52.361 --> 0:08:54.481 would help you deal with stress. It's like stress is 0:08:54.521 --> 0:08:56.121 sort of at the apex of it. Is that the 0:08:56.761 --> 0:08:58.001 would that be the chief villain? 0:08:58.361 --> 0:09:01.161 It's a really good question, and I guess you're right. Absolutely, 0:09:01.201 --> 0:09:03.921 it's all down to putting yourselves under stress. And if 0:09:03.921 --> 0:09:07.401 you're not eating properly exercising, then yes, that's exactly what 0:09:07.481 --> 0:09:07.881 you're doing. 0:09:08.761 --> 0:09:11.521 We'd love to have your cause on this actually, are you? 0:09:12.721 --> 0:09:15.601 I guess the question is do you think about how 0:09:15.641 --> 0:09:18.881 long you're going to live? Or do you simply if 0:09:18.921 --> 0:09:20.921 you want to be healthy? Do you just think about 0:09:21.761 --> 0:09:23.921 how do you keep yourself healthy? So whatever your time is. 0:09:23.921 --> 0:09:27.721 Because I've never really thought about living longer, I don't 0:09:27.801 --> 0:09:31.161 think I have. It's an interesting question, have you, greg, 0:09:31.201 --> 0:09:35.561 have you thought about extending that number personally or have 0:09:35.641 --> 0:09:37.761 you just simply thought about it from the point of 0:09:37.841 --> 0:09:42.041 view of whatever time I have, I want to be 0:09:42.281 --> 0:09:44.281 healthy and be able to do as much as I 0:09:44.441 --> 0:09:47.161 can do for as long as possible. It's not about 0:09:47.401 --> 0:09:50.561 if say, let's say ninety is your number, does that 0:09:50.601 --> 0:09:53.321 bother you or is it just making sure that seventy 0:09:53.401 --> 0:09:56.361 to ninety is really pretty good rather than dreadful. 0:09:56.761 --> 0:10:00.041 It's seventy ninety years good. But it's also being around 0:10:00.121 --> 0:10:03.281 to see your kids grow up, maybe settle down, you know, 0:10:03.321 --> 0:10:07.401 and so that all those milestones that some people miss 0:10:07.441 --> 0:10:09.921 out on because they don't make it. That's that's a 0:10:10.001 --> 0:10:13.441 driver for me. I lost my father passed away in 0:10:13.441 --> 0:10:17.641 his early fifties, and that's that's had an impact as well. 0:10:17.641 --> 0:10:19.281 I don't you know, I think that was a huge 0:10:19.321 --> 0:10:21.481 gap in my life and I don't and I'd like 0:10:21.561 --> 0:10:23.841 to not have my children experience that. 0:10:24.241 --> 0:10:27.561 Yeah, okay, we might tell you right now and just 0:10:27.721 --> 0:10:29.401 we'll come back and explore a bit more further about 0:10:29.401 --> 0:10:31.441 what the science is doing. But if you'd like to 0:10:32.001 --> 0:10:34.641 have a chat with Greg about, you know, if you've 0:10:34.681 --> 0:10:36.561 got some questions about what it means for you or 0:10:36.561 --> 0:10:38.481 whether you need to make some changes in your own 0:10:38.521 --> 0:10:42.001 life or the philosophical question is it's like the Queen song, 0:10:42.041 --> 0:10:43.921 do you want who wants to live forever? Well? How 0:10:43.921 --> 0:10:45.641 long do you want to live? But what is it 0:10:45.681 --> 0:10:48.321 for you? Is it about extending the number or simply 0:10:48.401 --> 0:10:50.721 just making sure that whatever that number is as healthy 0:10:50.761 --> 0:10:53.001 as it can possibly be, which I think for me 0:10:53.121 --> 0:10:56.321 is probably the question. Although if somebody said all your 0:10:56.361 --> 0:10:59.121 numbers eighty two term, I'd be like, oh, wouldn't mind her. 0:10:59.241 --> 0:11:02.281 But more than that, so I don't even thought about it. 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Eight hundred and 0:12:15.081 --> 0:12:17.361 eight ten eight. If you've got any questions for Greg, 0:12:17.401 --> 0:12:18.801 we're going to have a chat about the science in 0:12:18.841 --> 0:12:20.481 just a moment, but let's take a few calls. 0:12:20.841 --> 0:12:25.721 Sue, Hello, Hello, Tim, good afternoon, and to you Greg, 0:12:26.161 --> 0:12:28.201 I just I don't want to hijack your program, but 0:12:28.241 --> 0:12:32.241 I was fascinated to hear you list the five factors 0:12:32.281 --> 0:12:35.801 that lead to healthy longevity. A better agent than that 0:12:35.881 --> 0:12:40.001 sort of thing longer life anyway, I worked in currentary 0:12:40.081 --> 0:12:42.241 care for almost twenty years, I. 0:12:42.161 --> 0:12:45.281 Suppose was that was that primary coronary care. 0:12:45.321 --> 0:12:49.841 Did you say? It was currently intensive care, but mostly 0:12:49.921 --> 0:12:53.521 currentary care and I worked for oh god, it must 0:12:53.561 --> 0:12:58.641 have been twenty years. Anyway. When I started there in 0:12:58.681 --> 0:13:01.961 the sort of mid to late eighties. Anybody that came 0:13:02.041 --> 0:13:04.401 and that was lucky enough to survive a heart attack 0:13:04.481 --> 0:13:06.361 on the street or out on the farm or whatever, 0:13:07.561 --> 0:13:10.641 like a lot of them just dropped years. But those 0:13:10.681 --> 0:13:12.921 that came in with a you know size for heart 0:13:12.961 --> 0:13:16.441 attack and had a rhythmias and things like that, I mean, 0:13:16.681 --> 0:13:20.201 we could not treat that heart attack. They died. They 0:13:20.281 --> 0:13:24.681 died or we gave them drugs or defibrilated them if 0:13:24.681 --> 0:13:27.281 they went into curdiair careers and we sort of could 0:13:27.281 --> 0:13:30.681 treat the complications, we could not treat that heart damage. 0:13:30.761 --> 0:13:33.601 So a lot of people went, you know, went home 0:13:33.641 --> 0:13:37.641 with damaged hearts, and of course that reduced their life expectancy. 0:13:37.921 --> 0:13:40.281 Now a lot of farmers just sort of a dropped 0:13:40.441 --> 0:13:43.321 at sixty or had you know, big heart attacks at 0:13:43.361 --> 0:13:45.161 sixty because of their diet and that sort of thing. 0:13:46.041 --> 0:13:50.041 But in my twenty years there, I saw the most 0:13:50.361 --> 0:13:56.001 astonishing changes to people's survival with heart conditions and particularly 0:13:56.001 --> 0:13:57.641 you know, heart attacks and that sort of thing, and 0:13:58.401 --> 0:14:02.121 how quickly we treat them and how we prevent that 0:14:02.281 --> 0:14:08.841 heart damage and metical technology. It's just amazing what. 0:14:08.281 --> 0:14:11.441 You're so right, Sue. And what I'm seeing now with 0:14:11.561 --> 0:14:15.241 some of where we're heading is that they're not too 0:14:15.241 --> 0:14:17.641 distant future, we'll actually be able to take a couple 0:14:17.681 --> 0:14:19.521 of cells out of our body and actually convert that 0:14:19.601 --> 0:14:23.121 into like grow a heart with it. So the technology 0:14:23.121 --> 0:14:26.321 is getting so advanced now. So yeah, it's remarkable. 0:14:27.801 --> 0:14:29.681 Are you just so basically are you just sort of 0:14:29.721 --> 0:14:31.881 saying that with the technology we have these days, we're 0:14:31.881 --> 0:14:34.201 giving people much better outcomes because how quickly we can 0:14:34.241 --> 0:14:35.841 intervene and make. 0:14:37.521 --> 0:14:41.241 Lots of factors. I think the tribe intervention decently. I 0:14:41.281 --> 0:14:44.961 mean we can. But we saw a lot of drug 0:14:45.041 --> 0:14:48.801 trials that you've throng polytics. That was the real beginning 0:14:48.921 --> 0:14:51.361 of being able to treat the heart attack and prevent 0:14:51.401 --> 0:14:53.681 the damage from happening if we had to get them 0:14:53.921 --> 0:14:58.561 to them quite quickly and they use the clock dissolving drugs. 0:14:58.761 --> 0:15:01.281 That's right, So, like I just you're going to say that, 0:15:01.641 --> 0:15:04.401 you know, probably what five fifty years ago, it was 0:15:04.401 --> 0:15:06.561 the undertaking called if someone had a heart attack and 0:15:06.601 --> 0:15:09.121 now and then it became you know, we got CPR, 0:15:09.681 --> 0:15:12.121 and there's just been so many advances now so you know, 0:15:12.241 --> 0:15:14.561 they're not too distant future. It could be, you know, 0:15:14.601 --> 0:15:16.521 a heart attack and you you're okay for ten to 0:15:16.521 --> 0:15:18.121 fifteen minutes and they'll be able to bring you back. 0:15:18.201 --> 0:15:20.081 So can I just ask a quick question, after all 0:15:20.081 --> 0:15:23.361 that time spent in currentary care and seeing the people 0:15:23.561 --> 0:15:27.041 go through what they've been through, did you make have you? 0:15:27.081 --> 0:15:29.881 Did you make any choices about your own health having 0:15:29.961 --> 0:15:35.121 seen the cautionary tails of people who needed emergency medical attention. 0:15:37.081 --> 0:15:40.761 I wish I could say yes, but it's taken me 0:15:40.921 --> 0:15:44.681 until I sort of retired to think about it, to 0:15:44.761 --> 0:15:49.601 think about it. And I was a nurse. With my generation, 0:15:49.961 --> 0:15:53.441 I probably partied too much. A lot of us smoke, 0:15:54.561 --> 0:15:57.001 and a lot of a lot of us gave up. 0:15:57.081 --> 0:15:59.641 I didn't give up till later in life, and it 0:15:59.721 --> 0:16:04.521 really has been an awakening for me to retire and 0:16:05.601 --> 0:16:08.481 start to think about these things. And I think that 0:16:08.481 --> 0:16:10.961 that's probably a lot of health professionals. 0:16:11.401 --> 0:16:16.441 Yeah, So I see every generation perhaps doing things differently 0:16:16.481 --> 0:16:19.841 and better all the time. And this is what's so exciting, 0:16:19.881 --> 0:16:23.041 really is that the youngsters are going to that around now, 0:16:23.361 --> 0:16:25.481 are already starting to think about healthy aging. 0:16:25.961 --> 0:16:28.481 I think that actually Sue's answer to that, which is, 0:16:28.641 --> 0:16:31.521 you know, nice and honest and sort of frank. As 0:16:31.561 --> 0:16:33.481 part of the problem is we don't think about trying 0:16:33.481 --> 0:16:36.161 to look at live healthily till we've maybe that horse 0:16:36.201 --> 0:16:38.281 has bolted and we look back and we go, oh, 0:16:38.281 --> 0:16:40.601 what can I do now? It's like, well, you know, 0:16:40.641 --> 0:16:43.601 it would have been great if you hadn't done all 0:16:43.601 --> 0:16:47.321 those party drugs and alcohol and saturated fats for the 0:16:47.361 --> 0:16:49.041 first forty or fifty years of your life. 0:16:49.241 --> 0:16:53.001 Yeah, that's right. And I remember talking to a young 0:16:53.081 --> 0:16:57.081 lady coming out of a conference about last year and 0:16:57.161 --> 0:16:59.761 she was going, my goodness, everybody told me to party 0:16:59.801 --> 0:17:01.841 up in my twenties and thirties because that was your 0:17:01.881 --> 0:17:04.361 last chance to do it. But really, actually you really 0:17:04.401 --> 0:17:07.281 need to be thinking and having an algevity mindset right 0:17:07.321 --> 0:17:08.121 from your twenties. 0:17:08.441 --> 0:17:09.921 I actually, I think there's a bit of luck. There's 0:17:10.001 --> 0:17:11.521 actually there's a lot of luck and novels and that 0:17:11.521 --> 0:17:13.921 there's genetics, and to be honest, my lucky side of 0:17:13.921 --> 0:17:16.481 things is I've never been good with alcohol, so it 0:17:16.521 --> 0:17:17.961 a took me one or two bs and I was 0:17:18.001 --> 0:17:20.601 on my you know, that was it. I was a 0:17:20.601 --> 0:17:24.881 weeping mess. So I never got really and I sort 0:17:24.881 --> 0:17:27.841 of consider myself lucky because, yeah, because of a low 0:17:27.881 --> 0:17:30.921 tolerance and I never really dug it. Whereas unfortunately for 0:17:30.961 --> 0:17:33.241 some people, they have a sip of alcohol and it's like, 0:17:33.281 --> 0:17:35.521 oh my goodness, what's this magic Elexa, I'm going to 0:17:35.521 --> 0:17:36.201 get stuck into it. 0:17:36.321 --> 0:17:38.201 Yeah, like I enjoy a glass of red wine, but 0:17:38.401 --> 0:17:41.921 unfortunately there is no safe limits with alcohol. They've discovered. 0:17:42.081 --> 0:17:44.881 Oh that's so eant. Does that mean you've stopped drinking 0:17:44.881 --> 0:17:45.281 red wine? 0:17:45.361 --> 0:17:47.041 No, because I enjoy it and you've got to you know, 0:17:47.241 --> 0:17:49.641 extend your life, but enjoy the time you have as well. 0:17:49.841 --> 0:17:52.001 Yeah, that's funny enough. That's a bit of a theme 0:17:52.001 --> 0:17:53.961 I raise in our money are it's all about you know, 0:17:54.001 --> 0:17:55.681 saving for a time and things like that. It's like, 0:17:55.721 --> 0:17:57.321 you don't want to save to so well that you're 0:17:57.361 --> 0:17:59.601 looking back with a lot of money on a life 0:17:59.601 --> 0:18:03.321 that you haven't lived. So it's it's a philosophical things 0:18:03.321 --> 0:18:06.241 exactly that Look, well, let's take another call Bevan. 0:18:09.121 --> 0:18:10.601 I had a couple of questions. The first one I 0:18:10.601 --> 0:18:13.681 was just wondering around stress does it Does it permanently 0:18:13.761 --> 0:18:20.361 damage yourselves and your body in any way? Like for example, 0:18:20.601 --> 0:18:23.321 you know, I work in quite a high stress environment, 0:18:23.441 --> 0:18:27.761 and you know, and and you get pretty stressed out 0:18:27.761 --> 0:18:29.321 and then you sort of go to the part and stuff. 0:18:29.321 --> 0:18:34.041 But I was just wondering, here, does the stress actually permanently, 0:18:34.241 --> 0:18:37.041 you know, scar yourselves? And the second thing was that 0:18:38.441 --> 0:18:43.641 is resilience probably more an issue. People think they're stressed, 0:18:43.641 --> 0:18:44.801 but they're just not resilient. 0:18:45.161 --> 0:18:47.761 That's a great question, good Questian Van. So the answer 0:18:47.801 --> 0:18:51.001 is does stress affect yourselves? And the answer is absolutely yes. 0:18:51.601 --> 0:18:53.681 I'll give you two examples. We have these little things 0:18:53.721 --> 0:18:56.921 called telomeres and the caps on the end of your DNA. 0:18:57.721 --> 0:19:01.001 And if you if you had a twin brother and 0:19:01.121 --> 0:19:03.881 he managed to stress, but you both had the same job, 0:19:04.801 --> 0:19:08.881 You're telem would be shorter than his, and that essentially 0:19:09.121 --> 0:19:11.441 means that you have it, like I guess a worse 0:19:11.481 --> 0:19:13.361 prognosis if you both have a heart attack on the 0:19:13.401 --> 0:19:15.401 same day, but the one of you which had the 0:19:15.401 --> 0:19:18.241 shorter tellmes is actually going to fear worse, and in 0:19:18.321 --> 0:19:22.241 terms of resilience, it's actually not the stress and it's 0:19:22.361 --> 0:19:24.841 how you manage it. So really it's important if you're 0:19:24.841 --> 0:19:28.041 in a high stree's job, focus on what you can do. 0:19:28.201 --> 0:19:30.801 Is it mindfulness, is at gardening? Is it? Whatever it is? 0:19:30.841 --> 0:19:32.801 But just do something to de stress. 0:19:33.881 --> 0:19:35.681 And I think the question is can you recover from 0:19:35.681 --> 0:19:39.201 having had a stressful his job? So that's what's behind. 0:19:39.001 --> 0:19:41.401 Okay, yeah, definitely, So the answer is yes you can. 0:19:41.561 --> 0:19:45.241 So any time to start editing stress. You know, the 0:19:45.241 --> 0:19:47.521 best time is today, that will probably the second best 0:19:47.521 --> 0:19:49.521