1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Jason Wolf's political editors with us in for barrysoberhe Jason. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 2: Good afternoon, heathern. 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: What's the political reaction to this mass of report from 4 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: the Royal Commission. 5 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's still rolling out down here as 6 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: we're speaking. MPs are addressing the house. We just heard 7 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: from act Minister Karen Shaw and now it's Casey Costello, 8 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: but it was Chris lux and the Prime Minister who 9 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: was the first up. And it's still talking obviously, of 10 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: course about the largest and most complex public report ever 11 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: compiled in New Zealand, being the Royal Commission into the 12 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: Abuse in State Care and Faith based Institutions. And as 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: it was being introduced to the House, the report was 14 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: being physically carried in. It took three people to actually 15 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: bring it to the house. That is the size of 16 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: this thing, three thousand pages long, reportedly fourteen kilograms. I 17 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: haven't actually seen it. We've been using USB sticks to 18 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: cover it down here. So by now you've probably heard 19 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: the details of the report, but in short, detailed unimaginable 20 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: and widespread abuse in care between nineteen fifty and twenty nineteen, 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: and it amounts to a national disgrace. We also heard 22 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: that two hundred thousand of the estimated six hundred and 23 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: fifty five thousand and care were abused and many many 24 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: more neglected, with Marty disproportionately affected and subject to avert 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: and overt racism, violence and sexual abuse were common, and 26 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: in some cases children and young people were trafficked to 27 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: members of the public. So harrowing, harrowing stuff in the report. 28 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: There is much much more, and as I said, MPs 29 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: are debating it. Chris Luxen was the first to speak. 30 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: To every person who took part. I say thank you 31 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: for your exceptional strength, your incredible courage, and you're confronting honesty. 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: Because of you, we know the truth about the abuse 33 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 3: and the trauma that you endured. I cannot take away 34 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: your pain, but I can tell you this. You are 35 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: heard and you are believed. 36 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: And it was incredibly, incredibly emotional up there in the house, 37 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: a lot of tears from survivors in the public gallery. 38 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: Of course, MPs theves and we know that an official 39 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: apology is coming in November. But the Prime Minister did 40 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: have this to say. 41 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: And I say to the survivors, the burden is no 42 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: longer yours to carry along. The state is now standing 43 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 3: here beside you, accountable and ready to take action. We 44 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 3: are here today because it was important to the government 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 3: that an acknowledgment and sincere apology be made with gravitas 46 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: and dignity. It deserved to be made in this Parliament. 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 2: So as to what happens next, the Prime Minister says 48 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: the issue of redress will be discussed over the coming months, 49 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: and speaking to media today, he wasn't actually able to 50 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: say how much this would cost the Crown, but understandably 51 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: he said that doesn't matter today and it wasn't really 52 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: a concern to him right now, and he's right. So 53 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty eight recommendations in the report that 54 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: will be looked into in the over the coming months. 55 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: And the Prime Minister did have this to say directly 56 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: to the survivors who were waiting for the next step. 57 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: And I want to assure you that we understand the 58 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 3: urgency and the importance of that work and we will 59 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: provide clarity before the end of the year. 60 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: I would imagine that would come at the same time 61 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: as the public apology in November and very emotional day 62 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: in the House. I will say it was a bit 63 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: of a shame to hear a few people yell shame 64 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: from the public gallery as act Minister Karen Shaw started 65 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: her speech, which was in the end deeply, deeply emotional, 66 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: but a lot of emotions flying in the house. 67 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: Any idea why they were yelling shame, It's. 68 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 2: Hard to speculate at this stage and I wouldn't I 69 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: wouldn't feel comfortable speculating as to why. I would just 70 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: say that it comes down to the fact that there 71 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: was a lot of emotional emotions flying today. 72 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: Now, where was Louise Upston this morning? 73 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: Well, that's the that's the question that we were all wondering. 74 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: I mean, it turned out that she was in a 75 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: Cabinet committee meeting, but she was there during one of 76 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: the bills that she wanted to pass was actually going 77 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: through the House and it ended up being a bit 78 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: of a calamitous morning, a bad look for the government. 79 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: And it was the reading of the Regulatory System Social 80 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: Security Amendment Bill. If you haven't heard of this, don't worry. 81 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: I hadn't heard of it until the screw up this 82 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: morning either. Here's what happened. Assistant Speaker mare Peugh moved 83 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: for the bill to be debated. Then there was this 84 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: awkward silence as she looked around the debating chamber for 85 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 2: the minister to start speaking, said Minister Louise Upson was 86 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: not there to speak to her bill. So Labour's at 87 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: Anna Williams was quick to snap into action. 88 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 4: There is no minister here. You must ring the bells 89 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 4: the minister for the minister that's responsible for this bell 90 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 4: is not here to give the rating. Inside suggests that 91 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: it would be worth the House of time to set 92 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 4: their spell aside and move to the next order on 93 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:41,679 Speaker 4: the antenna. 94 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: So National argued that there was in fact Melissa Lee 95 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: who was a minister in the House, but that was 96 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: not good enough for. 97 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: More in Pewe as the minister was not here to 98 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: take the call. I'm recommending that the bill will be discharged. 99 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: So Chris Luxon was asked about this. He said that 100 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: it was a bit untidy looking and basically gave the 101 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: excuse that she was in the Cabinet committee meeting that 102 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: and the bill was called early. Then we asked Louise 103 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 2: Upston about it and she took the four I'm fully 104 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: coppying I got it wrong. 105 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: I've apologized to my party and we're moving on from here. 106 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: Not the biggest issue in terms of a big, meaty 107 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: piece of legislation that's going to have historical implifications but 108 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: still looks a bit messy from the government. I think 109 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: Arena Williams, who I think is an up and up 110 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 2: and coming labor backbench, did quite well to seize upon 111 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 2: the moment here. 112 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: She loved today you must ring the bell. Hey, thank 113 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: you very much, Jason Jason Wall's political editor in For 114 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: more from Hither Duplasy Alan Drive, listen live to news 115 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the 116 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.