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Speaker 1: For a Monday morning. The Prime Minister is with us

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Speaker 1: A Christopher Luxem Very good morning to you. Well we

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Speaker 1: part of the coalition of the willing phone call over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Yeah I was.

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Speaker 2: I spoke with those leaders over a video conference on

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Speaker 2: Saturday night, very late Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: Are you bullish on anything that may or may not

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Speaker 1: happen this week?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean what we agreed on that call

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Speaker 2: is that we want to see a thirty day cease

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Speaker 2: fire implemented from Monday, and that's got to be without conditions,

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Speaker 2: and it's across land, sea and air. And really now

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Speaker 2: it's the bulls in Russia's court because you know, we

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Speaker 2: can put an immediate cease fire in place and start

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Speaker 2: conversations and negotiations. But it's very simple. It looks to

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Speaker 2: me like that stalling. And the question is they started

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Speaker 2: this war, the are the ones that can finish it,

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Speaker 2: and Putin just needs to show up and actually agree

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Speaker 2: to that cease fire and then get into the negotiations.

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Speaker 2: So you know that's why we are very you know,

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Speaker 2: we're saying there's now a plan and a proposal. Thirty

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Speaker 2: day cease fire unconditional starts on Monday, the Americans have

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Speaker 2: been behind it. The European leaders are all united in it.

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Speaker 2: I joined the call with Australia and Canada as well

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Speaker 2: spoke to that particular point as well. And then if

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Speaker 2: sanctions and we've got to continue to stand with Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: All right before I forget it, just sort of re

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Speaker 1: China and the US. If they cut some sort of deal,

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Speaker 1: and the US and the UK have cut some sort

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Speaker 1: tariff free, we have been lumped with ten percent universal

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Speaker 1: Would we change our mind on trying to do something

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Speaker 1: about that because we're materially then worse off than we were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't want to be any worse off than

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Speaker 2: anybody else. I mean, the reality is the BRIT's actually

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Speaker 2: had tariffs that were above ten percent on cars, as

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Speaker 1: But they can get Rolls Royce in there for zero.

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Speaker 1: So if they're getting other stuff in for zero and

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Speaker 1: we're not getting stuff in for zero, we're losing, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: Well we've got our officials and they've had them in

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Speaker 2: there before the announcement of tariff's Tom mcclay's got another

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Speaker 2: next month. So we continue to make the case for

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Speaker 2: why tariffs applied to New Zellan Dane makes sense. But equally,

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Speaker 2: when you talk to our exporters, actually many of them,

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Speaker 2: that those very very closely, and so we'll monitor it,

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Speaker 2: we keep the engagement high, but importantly we just get

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Speaker 1: Act agree to disagree. Where does this go from here?

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Speaker 2: On the guns, Yeah, well, I mean on firearms, my

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Speaker 2: enhancing public safety. I've said that time and time again.

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Speaker 2: We think the registry has been effective at that and

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Speaker 2: MP world. As I said, from day one, they feel

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Speaker 2: and so we're very pragmatic. We haven't agree to disagree

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Speaker 1: And that's just like it's done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's done. So the cabinet decision is the

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Speaker 2: Cakey decision. They didn't agree with that, and we gave

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Speaker 1: Well on the subjects of act social media. So you've

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Speaker 1: seen to Erica Stanford. Is she the only talented person

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Speaker 1: Got immigration education, she's doing the victims of abuse, and

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Speaker 1: now you're telling her to wonder often solve social media problems.

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Speaker 2: Her and I have very aligned on the social media

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Speaker 2: think about what the work Nicola Willis is doing to

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Speaker 2: What about you know, Sam and Brown, Martin Mitchell on police.

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Speaker 1: What I'm asking though, with ACT and social media, if

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Speaker 2: Work at They've sort of started to shift their position

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Speaker 2: might still be a pathway through all of that, but

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Speaker 1: So you go with labor, We'll look to try and

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean to me, Mike, it's not actually a

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Speaker 2: their parents vote for is irrelevant. This is actually something

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Speaker 2: it's out of control. We have controls in the physical world,

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Speaker 2: but we don't have any in the virtual online world. Yep.

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Speaker 2: It's hard, as you've highlighted over the course of the

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Speaker 2: a way through. So yeah, it's more complex than that,

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Speaker 2: no doubt about it. But actually you've got to believe

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Speaker 1: Okay. So you as seeming answer my question, I would

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Speaker 1: I don't know anyone who's done what you're looking to do.

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Speaker 2: Well, there is technology being tried, for example in Australia

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Speaker 2: about how you do age verification. Now you've got the EU,

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Speaker 1: It was a little bit about this, you being the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think it was interesting learning from the

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Speaker 2: I think and just said that's the setup. It just

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Speaker 1: Novel idea. Okay, you're at the tourism thing last week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you made your announcement. I told you about that, and

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Speaker 2: No, isn't it great that we listened to you.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not about that. It's about pulling every lever

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Speaker 2: Think when you've seen a twenty three percent growth and

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Speaker 2: And the good thing about that conference, Mike, to be honest,

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Speaker 1: So you would argue, but here's the thing. What came

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Speaker 2: That, no, that's not right, that's not the attitude at all.

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Speaker 1: So in making the case in China, is that because

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Speaker 2: To be really honest, I think in that six year

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Speaker 1: Okay, Tama Potiker, this is on me. I assumed he

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Speaker 1: was out there doing a review on the tribunal. Why

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Speaker 1: and announces after a year and a half of doing

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Speaker 1: lord knows what, we're suddenly going to have a review

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Speaker 1: what he do all day.

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Speaker 2: And he's got the process organized, He's off to do

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Speaker 2: be introduction into the bill early next year. Why wasn't

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Speaker 2: staging or sequencing it. I'm telling you we're not getting

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Speaker 1: This review is a review with a view.

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Speaker 2: To what, Well, there's no predetermined outcome here, but what

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Speaker 2: the looks? No, No, there is a need for us

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Speaker 2: to actually say what the way you something?

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Speaker 1: If you've got no view, why are you reviewing? Then? Well?

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Speaker 2: No, What I'm saying is we are there's no predetermined outcome,

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Speaker 2: the future, it's very very clear. Irrespective whether you're on

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Speaker 2: Layson's book In a post treaty settlement world, which we've

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Speaker 2: got through the last vast majority of it. You've got

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Speaker 2: to ask the question, what is the role of the

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Speaker 2: isn't it going to be going forward? And define it?

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Speaker 2: And that's what I'm expecting him to do. So that's

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Speaker 2: asking to find their role going forward.

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Speaker 1: Do you do anything for Mother's Day? Did you do

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Speaker 1: anything nice? Do anything well?

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Speaker 2: I've got a twenty five and a twenty three year old,

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Speaker 2: so life is. Did they manage to get Amanda a

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Speaker 2: six racket tennis bag between six I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: she's only got two rackets, so I don't quite know

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Speaker 2: what they were thinking, but she seemed to like it,

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Speaker 2: which was exciting. And some special body wash that I'm

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Speaker 2: not allowed to use in the shower now apparently, so

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Speaker 2: that's all I know.

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Speaker 1: So do you have separate body washes? We do?

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Speaker 2: We do? You know slot doesn't come together?

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Speaker 1: Can I give you a tip? We have superate showers?

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Speaker 2: Do you really?

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Speaker 1: If we do? So, therefore you can have your own.

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Speaker 2: You do have separate bread rooms?

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Speaker 1: No, we don't know.

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Speaker 2: We don't rooms, only separate showers. This has gone on

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Speaker 2: every day. Is Valentine's Day in the hospital house?

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