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Speaker 1: to the final week of The Matten Jerry Show, the

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Speaker 1: victory lap slash mea culpa. I've put together a little

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Speaker 1: read it at Matdheath dot substack dot com. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: want to subscribe. It can be free if you want. Anyway, Blessed, Blessed, blessed,

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Speaker 1: give them a taste of Kiwi love you all, see

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Speaker 3: I just want to double check, double confirm that we're

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Speaker 2: No, no, all that stuff that can be deleted. That's

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Speaker 2: you know, sometimes people say things that will affect just them,

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Speaker 2: you know, there's some kind of career limiting stuffy. But

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Speaker 3: I think not only a company white issue, the media

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Speaker 1: Oh that's true. There's two companies involved with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and could quite potentially affect the happiness that my

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Speaker 2: Welcome along to the Mat and Jury Show podcast for

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Speaker 2: another day. Of course, it's myself, Mashie and Rudy here,

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Speaker 2: presenting you with some of Maddi's most love moments from

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Speaker 1: Jury Show podcast. Of course, we're just kind of what

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Speaker 3: We're filling the blanks, We're treating the boards. We're bridging

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Speaker 3: the gap. That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bridging the gap sounds nice. Oh yeah, it almost

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Speaker 2: We're bridging the gap until the boys come back next week,

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Speaker 2: of course, and we thought we'd reach out to Meddie

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Speaker 2: a lot about the Mat and Jury Show radio show

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Speaker 2: moments from the podcast. We're just focusing on really podcast

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Speaker 2: and Joe's and daily bespokes and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Like that, aren't we.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've seen quite a few times in

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Speaker 3: you're always very generous because you say things like the

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Speaker 3: say Jerry is doing far from preparing for the victory.

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Speaker 1: Lab you know there's that is a fair point.

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Speaker 2: Actually, you know what, fuck it man, because I was

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Speaker 3: Now, isn't this the most played and downloaded ever Matt

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Speaker 1: into the incident nine as the Great Larnux Castle Pounding.

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Speaker 1: I know we've gone into this in detail before, but

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Speaker 1: That we know those details. But we've been discussing this

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Speaker 1: And we're back and it's a great pleasure to welcome

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Jerry, Hello, Matt House, so good

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Speaker 4: There's a there's a story which we talk about a

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Speaker 5: got up into that and it was funny.

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00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 1: Remember there's a lovely warm day, there wasn't a and yeah,

433
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 1: and then in the world happened. Yeah, it's so funny.

434
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 4: And I remember, even when we saw the first cut

435
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 4: of that particular Gore moment, I've forgotten that we've even

436
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 4: done it. And I was like, I remember Dave saying

437
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 4: to us before we watched her, Now, I don't know

438
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 4: about this. I've cut something together and I'm not sure

439
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 4: if you don't want to put it, and we don't

440
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 4: have to, but it's.

441
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 1: Something I don't know.

442
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 4: It's kind of weird, and we're like, okay, And then

443
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 4: we watched and we're like, wow, that is weird. But

444
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 4: he did a great job of cutting it up, so

445
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 4: quite unusual.

446
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 1: I am why I found that moment pretty funny, particularly

447
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 1: funny because I come from was because I came from

448
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: that area and like I'm a one time, you'd always

449
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: get threatened when you went to Gore by people. I

450
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: remember one time I stoppingenough for fish and chips and

451
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: before my foot hit the ground getting out of the

452
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: cars and went, yeah, fucking fagot before my well, before

453
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: my foot even hit the ground. And then you guys

454
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: are calling it the gay capital of the world.

455
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 5: It was, well, of course, then there was then this

456
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 5: is this is where you know, there's been a few

457
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 5: said follow up situations. You know, we went back and

458
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 5: did a poster run sort of at one stage, and

459
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 5: then we offered the town the opportunity for free five

460
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 5: weeks to splay and you know, as to try and because.

461
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: It was there's a lot of tension. Yeah, it was,

462
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: it was. It was.

463
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 5: It's a long way to drive around as well, if

464
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 5: you're trying to get to the next boat and.

465
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: Go around.

466
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 5: Had had already done a big parade for us that

467
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 5: was rubbing the song in the wound. And so for

468
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 5: our third sell it to all the victory that we

469
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 5: went ended up going look for your free fights space

470
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 5: under the condition that when we arrive in town, just no,

471
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 5: just no, one gives us any ship. So then what

472
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 5: happens Someone gave us some ship, so we end up

473
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 5: letting them off from Cleveland.

474
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So should we should we go

475
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: back and maybe should we get like you to tell

476
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: the story got fifteen minutes? Should we ever to do this?

477
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: We must I go, I know that's the thing. Fifteen minutes? Well,

478
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: should we can we because we I think you'll lead it.

479
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: You lead the witness, Jerry, So I reckon, maybe if

480
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: we can, we can we get you to start. Would

481
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: you like to play the part of the inquisitor. Well,

482
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say take us back. So I

483
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: think the most important part to start is let's start

484
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: with the judging of the Miss New Zealand. Univers very clear,

485
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: we were not the judges. What well, that's right.

486
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 5: At the very we were making television, okay, so we

487
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,719
Speaker 5: were there as gifts. We had full access, full access

488
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 5: to the to the pageant. Upstairs of the music, the

489
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 5: Dnedan Cosmopolitan Club. Was it the Workingmen's or the Cosmopolitan?

490
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 5: How many things have you got?

491
00:23:53,240 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: Right? Okay, look you know what? Oh yeah, okay, it's not.

492
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: But it's the Cosmopolitan Club, the Cosm Club, top four downstairs,

493
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: Pokey's right downstairs, open for regulars, and and and drinking

494
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: and poking upstairs, the glittering spectacle. There was the Miss

495
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: New Zealand I think it was, wasn't And and then

496
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: you were invited by the contestants to go to a

497
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: party afterwards.

498
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 5: I think it's important to set the scene a little

499
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 5: under the booming voice of Frankie Stevens.

500
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: Stevens, you've got that.

501
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 5: But right aside from just punters punters, it was pretty

502
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 5: much as far as entertainers male entertainers go, it was

503
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 5: pretty much just Jeremy and himself and Frankie Stevens.

504
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: There wasn't a guy in a clt singing tar or

505
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: Hailand tiger holand the half time. By that stage we

506
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: were pretty drunk. And I remember the.

507
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 4: One of the sections was the evening where it was

508
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 4: done to the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

509
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember, can.

510
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 5: You confirm that I can't confirm that I can confirm

511
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 5: that those are the familiar with some broadcasting or performance

512
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 5: on screen or something with no little of pel mics

513
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 5: which is a very small, very discreet microphone which was

514
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 5: attached just the color or perhaps the just the breast

515
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 5: of the jacket, something like that, and you tuck it

516
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 5: away you barely see it. Now, we had those on

517
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 5: the whole night, and we've sat there and you know,

518
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 5: we've been we've been working hard, haven't We had me

519
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 5: up till then during me up to the as we

520
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 5: as we traversed the country, you know, scooping up great

521
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 5: tailor making great talent and and and we weren't really

522
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 5: required to do we did did a few interviews me

523
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 5: some of the lovely ladies that were there, and we

524
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 5: did a few interviews that sort of thing, and then

525
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 5: I needed to knuckle down to watch the show because

526
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 5: it's quite a show, as you can imagine. You know,

527
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 5: if you don't have a take, you can't just come

528
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 5: up from downstairs and watch. Yeah, And so you know,

529
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 5: we started watching show.

530
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: We have a few drinks.

531
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, And as I said, we hadn't had the opportunity

532
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 5: to sit around and just have a few drinks on

533
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 5: that tour, really have we, you know, And so we

534
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 5: had a couple of drinks and then we started started

535
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 5: getting quite flippant and lippy on these microphones that we had,

536
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 5: and I remember some of the things that we were

537
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 5: saying was just were inappropriate and.

538
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: The way for guys in the off steam and back

539
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: in the day, and and uh, you.

540
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 5: Know, we were just in there just sort of just

541
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 5: doing a running commentary of the whole thing. The three

542
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 5: chairs from Hot Off for new you know, one girl

543
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 5: has to be the bright, shiny, you know presence that

544
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 5: Riki brings all the other girls together, Miss Geniality.

545
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: I remember that, you remember that?

546
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 4: Remember I remember also Miss Rotto Thermal Wonderlands was the

547
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 4: beautiful Tanya Tata and I can't believe that. I remember

548
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 4: just Frankie Stevens kept saying, and ladies and gentlemen, Miss

549
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 4: thermal Wonderlands, the beautiful Tanya toldt it.

550
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: It always flowed together.

551
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 5: And if you can, if you can carry that mantle

552
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 5: of Miss Thermal Wonderland, that's pretty good.

553
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: It's an important one. Hang on a minute, so you've

554
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: misrepresented where this was because the duned and Workingmen's Clubs

555
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: are very differ ferent place to the club just known

556
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: as the Dunedin Club on Melville Street. That changes everything anyway, Sorry,

557
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: I remember it was.

558
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: Across the road from some rugby fields. That's that's what

559
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 4: I can remember. In terms of the visual part of it.

560
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: The front door the rugby was sort of across.

561
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: So there we were. We were enjoying the show here

562
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: and here they come some of the most wonderful you know,

563
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: this is this is a beauty pageant, as it's supposed

564
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: to be. Matt and and they were really cool. You know.

565
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: We had had from all over the country. What good

566
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: representation Miss Counties Counties, County Counties or Miss Counties, Monicomis Counties.

567
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't think that's another mistake because that's how they

568
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: That's how they, that's how they operate in terms of rugby.

569
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: But I don't know if they in terms of beauty

570
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: can I don't want to get Beauty pageants aren't so

571
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: much a team sport.

572
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, to judge, I don't know. Beauty pageants are about judging,

573
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 4: but I don't want to judge. But for me, Miss

574
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 4: County's Monico was the She was very attractive.

575
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 5: And she carried herself with the amazing portant Lanta Coke

576
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 5: cokecroft esque and cocroft and and she and she then

577
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 5: she then she has she She entered on the the catwalk,

578
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 5: she looked looked almost all of us on the straight

579
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 5: the eye, and she said, I'd like to be a

580
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 5: veterinarian on my own veterinarian the veterinary viterany service one day.

581
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: And she was very she this is the young lady

582
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: who knew what she wanted and and did you if you,

583
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: if you checked back, and did you make it a

584
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: dream of being a bit the story will continue. And

585
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: but in particularly I do remember I could I could

586
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: see that. I can see the image of Miss Counties

587
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: sitting herself to the to the crowd, you don't Interrupauty

588
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: page on this.

589
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 5: I think you've got a chance, I suppose. And then

590
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 5: and she she certainly fancied itself having a chance. And

591
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 5: she was and she said, and by the state, we

592
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 5: were just we were having great time.

593
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: We were having a great time.

594
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 4: We were high on the hog of the celebration of

595
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: beautiful young women walking around on a stage and the crowd.

596
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: We're into it.

597
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: We've gone through the Otago Hardlander song at halftime, the

598
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 4: age of.

599
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: When you say the crowd, what a warm and welcoming crowd.

600
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: It was for a couple of decks from the TV.

601
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: It was a good time. It was a good time.

602
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: So we'd had a good time.

603
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 4: And then I don't remember what happened with the pageant itself,

604
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: and I don't think that really matters in terms of

605
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: the context of this particular story. I can tell you

606
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 4: I think that Miss Auckland won the.

607
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: That's quite conscious. She's lovely. I think do you remember

608
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: the the miss no disappointing? What about Miss Southlands anyway.

609
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 6: Love.

610
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: They were all very they were committed to it. They

611
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: were they were too stuck up about the great fun

612
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: it was. They were so accommodating. Yeah men. So so

613
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: then something happened and I'm not sure how this happened,

614
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: but we were then invited to the after party. Yes,

615
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: now this is where, of course we were.

616
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 5: We've had a few under the belt and our our

617
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 5: tongue and Cameron and he said, old drive you from

618
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 5: him in the Communicado van.

619
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, the Ford Falcon. Some reason, I

620
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: measoned it was on Communicato, got so many details wrong.

621
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: He said it was a Communicado highluks. No a high

622
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: as a high as I mean, not a highlight. Yeah,

623
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: and we had a few people on board. Yeah, and

624
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: then and then we had to find the thing, which

625
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: is like if dned and like what what is that?

626
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: What have they done there? Like if you go to

627
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: our house, you have to go up someone else's path

628
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: to their house and then the back of their house

629
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: and then ye need to find them. And I was

630
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: just cavisham, I don't know. It was up it was

631
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: up on the hill on the hell this is the

632
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: thing hell. I believe it was either halfway Mornington morning Site,

633
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: Mornington Mornington, yeah, somewhere like that. But there were no

634
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Google Maps in those days. Morning Yeah, So I don't

635
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: know how we ages.

636
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 5: Trying to find there, and we and we and then

637
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: you go through this rabbit warren of dwellings and then

638
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 5: suddenly we came across and this is where this is,

639
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 5: This is where the this is, this is where it starts.

640
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: Really yeah, I.

641
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 5: Mean this is you know, you've we're going to the

642
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 5: Miss New Zealand after party. Oh that's we've been personally invited.

643
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: It's a real feather in your caps, and you know

644
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: it's not something you might get the chance to do

645
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: everything and and there's funk all else, and so we're

646
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: just like so we fight the place and were like

647
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: overjoyed the packs of cast seven miles down the hill

648
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: or wherever, and that's like Elgon Road.

649
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 5: And we and then we and then we we finally

650
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 5: we can see this party. Lights are going there. We

651
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 5: tried one door that door, so this is not an

652
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 5: front PROMPTU party. This was a planned after party the res.

653
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: Residence.

654
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 5: And we and then we sort of open the door.

655
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 5: We find the door that you go in and then

656
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 5: you open the door acts quite a scene and this.

657
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Is this is I feel like we came in the

658
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: back door, entered into the kitchen. Yeah, that's I mean,

659
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: but that was the door that was opened, tried to

660
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: front and it's like a porch veranda. Maybe maybe that

661
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: was some sort of like diversion for people who might

662
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: want to think that they found them this using lovebuty

663
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: and then this was locked. Yeah, do some student and then.

664
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 5: They and so we rapped this back door and to

665
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 5: a table. This is I mean, this is quite triggering

666
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 5: to think about this even now, Matt.

667
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: There's just a.

668
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 5: Table with one two at least three maybe four able

669
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 5: body gentlemen face down passed out on the table to

670
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 5: my one thirty on the clock, and other gentleman looking

671
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 5: like he'd just been smashing here with a sledgehammer. He

672
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 5: was visibly swaying, visibly about to puke, and just just

673
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 5: snellas just reeling of his eyes rolling on us and

674
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 5: there and then to my right on my twelve o'clock,

675
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 5: right on my right up the front of me, right

676
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 5: on the fat side of the table. As we walked

677
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 5: in the back door with her hair just boom down

678
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 5: like a tent and then just look through her hair,

679
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 5: points her elbow at the guy and goes.

680
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: Hesitation, drink your fucking pass. And it's Miss Counties, Miss Counties.

681
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 5: Miss Counties. And it was just the I mean, hell's

682
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 5: teeth behind it looking that I could see it on

683
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 5: your face. You're there again, and they've transported the me.

684
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 5: You've transported me there.

685
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: And then remember the color of the walls.

686
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 4: Wass it was like a pale green color. And and

687
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: there she was, and look she was not in her

688
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 4: evening where anymore.

689
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: Put it that way.

690
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 4: Last the last I'd seen of Miss County's moniker, where

691
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 4: she was up on stage looking glorious.

692
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: She won.

693
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 5: I don't even think she got to the to the

694
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 5: end of the actual mister New Zealand is unable to

695
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 5: perform her duties. Then it goes to the I don't

696
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 5: think she even placed, and I think it had her

697
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 5: heart right, but she but her real dream was to

698
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 5: be a vet anyway, wasn't it.

699
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: Well, that's right.

700
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 5: I don't think dreams had lots to do with them.

701
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 5: By that stage in the nightmare, there was remember what

702
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 5: I said, there's one, two three already. Yeah, face down,

703
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 5: passed out. Yeah, Miss Counties were slaughtering me in. This

704
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 5: is straight after. This is so soon after the next

705
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 5: find the place I think.

706
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 1: We may have, I don't know where.

707
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: There's some time that's been think we dropped some of

708
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 4: the other crew back in the year. Something happened. But

709
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: there was definitely a bottle of jack. Oh yeah, of

710
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: Jim Bean. I remember a really one two five of

711
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 4: Jim Beam and they were playing drinking games with the

712
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 4: gym beam. Miss County's moniker was particular on the way

713
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 4: that she pointed with her elbow.

714
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: Which is using teeth. Was she come or she used

715
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: to tea? I think at one point, I remember there

716
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: was a there was a table, There was spillage and

717
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: there was a table ground. She was focused on the

718
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: on the drinking game, on the drinking around, smashing those

719
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: guys and anyone who thought that they even were going

720
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: to have any sort of flirt or even just a

721
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: conversation with her, she was going to just hate on them.

722
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: And are we looking at a situation? How horrible situation.

723
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: Man.

724
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: But what percentage of contestants had come back to the afterpady.

725
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 4: I think I think most apart from maybe Miss Wonderlands,

726
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: the Beautiful Tanya Talba, who had won Miss Congeniality earlier

727
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: before Horror.

728
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: Did you get anything right on this night? I'm scary.

729
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 4: All I can remember I remember Miss horor no it

730
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 4: Weirdly enough, I also remember Miss Wonderlands, the beautiful Tanna,

731
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: and I remember Miss County's Moniker. I don't actually remember

732
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 4: anyone else weird enough, though. The only three that I

733
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 4: can see to around us. That's really good for that's

734
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 4: not bad for twenty five years. Yeah, but I remember

735
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 4: that scene.

736
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: Are there any there any start there, any key details

737
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: we need to know about the party before you guys

738
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: decide to get into the It was.

739
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 5: It was pretty subdued and it was actually quite quite nice.

740
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 5: It was actually from that from that that was definitely

741
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 5: the most hardcore part of the party.

742
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: Definitely. That was that was like like you walked into

743
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: the back into the zoo or something. That was like Jesus.

744
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: It was not pretentious put it that way. They were

745
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: very wealthy, and yeah, that did we expected. There's looks

746
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: really really nice people, you know. But then we had

747
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: the decision was to make to the couple there a

748
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: couple of boyfriends around some of the locals and some

749
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: of the judges were there. The you know, there was

750
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: some of the officials who were sort of like, wow,

751
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm off the clock now you goes, are you on

752
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: all right? Right? Right? So they weren't judging them anymore,

753
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: and I guess we're weary too. We didn't want to

754
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: be like the guys going hi, yeah, yeah, yeah, future

755
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: mess yeah. Hey, sorry to interrupt, We just have to

756
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: cut to a quick ad break. So wait there. So

757
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: a decision was made at some point to head back

758
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: to the castle either and it's our accommodation for the

759
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: for the stay in the need was the stable. It's

760
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: the very historic and the stated stately home of lant Castle.

761
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: Was that and so did you head back? Was either

762
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: a red Falcon or the commuter cardo it was? And

763
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: the reason I think we weren't the only ones going back. Yeah,

764
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: how many how many people joined for the trip back

765
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: to the Larnox Castle stable. There was you whole Mikey,

766
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: and there was also of course you Jeremy. There was

767
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: a driver and the driver. Yeah.

768
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 7: I think Morrison is the Morrison drive extraordinary because because

769
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 7: it's a while away from morning, from morning time to

770
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 7: Larix Castles. It's a bit of a drive, a perilous

771
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 7: drive up the Portabello Road or you go up local

772
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 7: road and if you know the whole thing is that

773
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 7: the to get there. We know it's quite a We're

774
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 7: going to go back to where we were staying, Lark

775
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 7: Castle and do you want to come situation? And you

776
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 7: got a commitment, quite a commandment.

777
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: You put the idea around to a few people. Do

778
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: you want to we met at the party, yeah, yeah, yeah,

779
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: and I'm not because a lot of them were aware

780
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: of a lot far away. Well, it's a long wailey

781
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: and in some way and we've got a problem.

782
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 2: Sorry, we're really going to get out of here because

783
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: we've got film crews coming in to sit up for

784
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: an interview.

785
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: After that, we're going to have to put pause on this.

786
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: We are, we're gonna put we well, let's just we

787
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: can we can we pause for a break here and

788
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: then go through the a CEC studio in front of it.

789
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: Should try that. Okay, let's see that because we can't

790
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: leave it here. You're back when we're back, So just

791
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: to paint the picture. We Tracy kicked us out of

792
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: the che studio for some reason. So we've moved over

793
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: to the Flavor Studio. Just you can just I don't know,

794
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: people don't atually need to know that. But anyway, this

795
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: story is because we're in dneedan and sorry, so we

796
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: are still in the round. Yeah, yeah, we're so we're

797
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: not going to make it okay, So we're we are

798
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: So we've got we've got a guest here.

799
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 5: Well, we've got guests on board. Yes, this is where

800
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 5: this disclosure comes out. I mean, this is what I'm

801
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 5: here for, isn't really.

802
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't it?

803
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: Well, this is the thing now, can I can I

804
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 4: just paint a picture before we get into the rest

805
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 4: of the story, because this is where look, there's going

806
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 4: to be some different opinions on what happened after here,

807
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 4: and obviously there are people who the people who are

808
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: involved in the story is still alive, so you know,

809
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 4: we've got to and there has to be some discretion

810
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: involved in this part of it that that's that's clear.

811
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 4: But I believe importantly that we were in a high

812
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: as fan and the reason that I think that is

813
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 4: because the amount of people who were in that van

814
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 4: going back there was definitely tax Marris and the driver

815
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 4: I was definitely in there. You were definitely in there.

816
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 4: And and I believe there was one other protagonist involved

817
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 4: in the story wearing a taffeta dress and and sitting

818
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 4: on my knee for what kind of dress?

819
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: Taffata? What's tafia? What's it? What's it's a?

820
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 5: It's a it's a it's a pretty stamp. Maybe maybe

821
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 5: that's probably if I've got that wrong, I'm sorry. I apologize.

822
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 5: If it's a it's a it's a pretty cheap ball

823
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 5: gown O the so so, And you know, it was

824
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 5: not it was not the intention of the evening to

825
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 5: go and score, you know, because no no one and

826
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 5: I mean it, I'm not no one would who would

827
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 5: wh would do that?

828
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: And then you know, and of course I help help

829
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: predictable and but but in this case I found myself

830
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: with a very very when I remember I was supposed

831
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: to look at each other sort of going oh yeah, okay,

832
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: all right, okay, right, well I was gonna do this night, man,

833
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: okay and okay. And then in the van going up

834
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: the hill and so's that's so there's some sort of

835
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: you admitting it's a van now not a red velc.

836
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. So were

837
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: you sitting more upright with all? Like you know, it's

838
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: a very different sort of seating position. And it was

839
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: definitely sitting on my knee across like it wasn't safe,

840
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: to be honest, and people didn't wear seatbelts in the

841
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: back and we were we were yelling out, shut out

842
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: the windows and just it sounds like a van singing

843
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: pirate songs and all stuff like that.

844
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: I remember it was very jocol I feel like it

845
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 4: was a van because I remember the windiness of that

846
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 4: Porterbello really really drunk though I possibly is falling said,

847
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 4: I was incredibly drunk. But also can I say something

848
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 4: else about about to give this content and that is

849
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety nine, I think what what listeners need

850
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 4: to understand how you're changing the year is that nineteen

851
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 4: ninety eight, ninety nine something something.

852
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: Like that, protecting what you have to understand that a

853
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: couple of young men on the television traveling around New

854
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: Zealand present people meaning all sorts, presented itself as something

855
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: quite different than what it does now traveling around. I

856
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: grew up in Duned and if anyone from the Telly

857
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: ever went anywhere near the town. Basically everyone went completely insane.

858
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: We were so excited to see anyone. That's very true

859
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: man and the But also we were sort of at

860
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: the back end of a couple of real shitters. April

861
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: Emi Is April's Angels would be going from town to

862
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: town building like halls and and doing favors. But it

863
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: does jam but no, this is the truth though this

864
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: They remember this, people tell us and they go, oh,

865
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: they came into death but you know, and then they

866
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: never even said thank you for all the help, and

867
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: then it's trashed on my flower bed and they just left.

868
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: I hate from it. Wasn't Jim MORI were doing a

869
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: bit of damage like that around the community at that time,

870
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: Kamaki Brothers the other ones. They would go around it

871
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: and people go, I think mucking In was Jim Morris show.

872
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: But I think that I didn't hear a bad word

873
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 4: said about mucking And it's mainly April's Angels, which is

874
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 4: coming under a.

875
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: Just you know, just and people just you like to

876
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: make TV. And and so how was Maggie Barry in

877
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: terms of guard like cleaning up people's We're in the

878
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: same We're in the same section that Tea she was popular,

879
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: she was not popular with either camera camera crew, or

880
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: the camera or the camera. She was the least popular

881
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: presenter off camera, very popular on camera with audiences oddly enough,

882
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: but then behind the scenes was the worst behavior in

883
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: terms of cleaning up gardens.

884
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 5: I guess what I'm saying is that the TV people,

885
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 5: you know that's collective hadn't didn't have a very good

886
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 5: rip and so you know, we're was.

887
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: Gary McCormick doing with it because he had a show

888
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: out in the regions as well at that time, didn't

889
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: they sort of a little bit after we'd started out.

890
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 4: I think it was like But also can I say

891
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: something else about the time, and that is that that

892
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: that Mike as well was at the time A look.

893
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not going to use the word six

894
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 4: symbol because I think that's slightly maybe not quite accurate

895
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 4: and doesn't quite do it justice. But Mike had been touring,

896
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 4: but he was I did a lot of touring with Mate.

897
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: He was very very attractive to young ladies where he

898
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: was young ladies would find themselves. And I don't think

899
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: that's anyone any secret anyone that lived through the era.

900
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: He was very well known that that woman would get

901
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: very weak at the knees. It was the mere mention

902
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: of Mikey Havoc. He was a no one. He was

903
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: at he was incredibly popular yourself and with and with

904
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: the lads as well. People people would flop manhugs.

905
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 4: So he'd go to towns and people would people would come,

906
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: people would come to him.

907
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: This is what I'm might jumping in.

908
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 5: I want to come back to something you just said

909
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 5: previous Met Too, you said that things were very different,

910
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 5: and the It's true. That's true, you know, because we

911
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 5: were going around doing what we were doing on that show,

912
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 5: and you could go to someone on the microphone and

913
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 5: then you get the real them.

914
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: And now I've noticed and.

915
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 5: Even even I remember talking about this when we did

916
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 5: the third one, how people saw us and they realized

917
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 5: we were and so then they adopted the personality that

918
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 5: they thought they should adopt with You're on TV, and

919
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 5: it was and it was nowhere nears real, and I

920
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 5: think I think that's what we suffer from now. Basically,

921
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 5: look people you voxpops and they're like, oh, yes, well

922
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 5: thanks very much, looking for a quick little viral that

923
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 5: goes around the whole world. Well so, well, you've got guys,

924
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 5: got to understand from the outside perspective. You mentioned April's

925
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 5: Angels and the like, and TV in New Zealand had

926
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 5: been very punishing for a very long time. So when

927
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 5: you Guys appeared and you appeared to not give a

928
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 5: ship and you were made up by the way, but

929
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 5: you guys appeared and you were like doing this show,

930
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 5: and it was like, Oh, these people aren't trying to

931
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 5: Like there were things like CV and and people that

932
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 5: were trying to do these shows. I've felt very tryad

933
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 5: and suddenly there was a show that was on that

934
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 5: felt like, Oh, these are kind of guys I'd like

935
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 5: to hang out with. I feel very comfortable, they're very confident.

936
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 5: I'm not feeling like I hate New Zealand because I'm

937
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 5: watching these guys. And there was a huge amount of

938
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 5: name and there was a huge amount of pride that

939
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 5: we all felt watching you guys on TV. We're like,

940
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 5: oh my god, these are people. They're on TV and

941
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 5: New Zealand's making a show that's not shit. But also

942
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 5: they don't seem to be trying to sell us anything.

943
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 5: They were just being themselves. So when you went to

944
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 5: the regions, people were not only stoked to see you

945
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 5: because you were he had been well known. They were

946
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 5: we were grateful. We were grateful people. And it was

947
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 5: also know something that I always found is that get

948
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 5: out there and meet people, actually ninety nine point nine

949
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 5: percent of them are really interesting. You know, maybe not

950
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 5: the time is not always perfect what they want to

951
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 5: talk about, you know, but they but then that's but

952
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 5: then most.

953
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: Of the people are really it's cool. It's really cool,

954
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: and it's like and it was so we we're pretty

955
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: warmly welcomed. Alone.

956
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 5: When we were off to start that show, I thought

957
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 5: that we're going to get shipped everywhere from everyone.

958
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just so prepared for that. But

959
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: it just maybe once the whole time we did that

960
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: dry and actually having a commisation. It's funny I remember

961
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: that conversation, yeah, talking about because I think there was

962
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: the idea of touring bands in the in the early

963
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: nineties off the TV. You know, drunk people, you know,

964
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: drunk people and bars and stuff would be problematic in

965
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: those days.

966
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 4: It's not so much like that anymore. But you know,

967
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 4: you talk about Australian bands and I was talking to

968
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 4: John Stevens about this and he said that you had

969
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 4: to fight because there would be guys that would chuck

970
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 4: glasses at you. You'd been in part some part in

971
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 4: the back of Australia somewhere and you get in a

972
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 4: fight and that's just the way, and you had to

973
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 4: learn to defend yourself because that was just the way.

974
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: It goes so tired. If you buck somebody at a

975
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: bar in the in the pre nineties and.

976
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 4: No social media, nobody knew how to take photos there.

977
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 4: There was the selfie hadn't been invented that stage. There

978
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 4: was no such thing as a selfie. So you'd sign

979
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 4: autographs for people and things like that. And if you

980
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: do turn up to a town because people had just

981
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 4: had mobile phones, people would say, oh, you know, Mike

982
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: EVECN and newsboy are in town, and next thing you know, there'd.

983
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: Be some kind of was amazing. It was everywhere because

984
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: it was an event. It was something that actually had.

985
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry to interrupt, but it's massh here. So we're

986
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: just going to have to take a quick break. If

987
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: that's okay, hold the line and we'll be right back.

988
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 5: But so let's shoul we should we steer back and

989
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 5: we're let's say that let's say that we've arrived at

990
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 5: Lantat Castle.

991
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: Laugh but let'sten laughing. I'm a great time to avans

992
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: and and you know, and and also quite sort of

993
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: astounded that this this love young lady had wanted to

994
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: come to Lark Castle and those. But now we're here,

995
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, we're all the way here. Now this is

996
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: like I'm just trying to wonder maybe I didn't tell

997
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: her where we were staying or something like that. Maybe

998
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: I sort of just say, no, it won't belong with

999
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: we almost there, so you put you put up past

1000
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: the ballroom, but the stables at the accommodation is the

1001
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: bare rooms is not accommodation. The bare rooms there, and

1002
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: then accommodations is sort of around the corner, around the

1003
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: corner around So if you're facing the steps the stables

1004
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: to the left, the whole it looks north.

1005
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 5: Lanton Castle was supposed to be a mixture of those

1006
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 5: big grand you know, the Australian sort of with the deck,

1007
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 5: you know, look in the old sort of colonial Australia

1008
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 5: and in a castle, and it's and it pretty much does,

1009
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 5: but lives an old gorsey cold but yes, but behind

1010
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 5: it there were stables which in the old days, the

1011
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 5: stables were of course used for horses, Yes, that's right, yeah, yeah,

1012
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 5: and and the comings and going to of courses they

1013
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 5: turned into a combination, turned into accommodations.

1014
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: That's where it gets interesting. So, Jeremy, where were you

1015
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: staying in terms of the geography of the stable? If

1016
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: you could just paint a picture of the that's a

1017
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: good question. Have you've seen a stable and you know

1018
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: how set up? Yeah, I used to live a barber

1019
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: stable the other the other. Yeah, that's just you know, yeah,

1020
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: separated by that, that's what I mean. So I'm like it,

1021
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: so like how we how we lined up along the walls?

1022
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: Are you are you closest to the wall? Are you

1023
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: closest to the sort of Larnox castle or you further

1024
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: down down towards the Lance castle in Yeah.

1025
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it definitely wasn't the last room of the

1026
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 5: red there's a couple of rooms and people work from

1027
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 5: our outside, our group for.

1028
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: Families and stuff families. Yeah, that kind of thing. A

1029
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: different stable. Visitors to the Needhood for a high end

1030
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: experience and they want to experience the whole thing. They

1031
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: want to experience the castle, you know, the remance of

1032
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: staying in New Zealand's argument in New Zealand's Only Castle,

1033
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: waking up, waking up in the morning, refreshed and seeing

1034
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: that beautiful, beautiful, and.

1035
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: That's beautiful looking refurbished. The stables had been refurbished. There

1036
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: was a newish carpet, but there were communal showers and

1037
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 4: bar rooms that were in the middle part of the section.

1038
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 4: But at the time, to be fear to us, we'd

1039
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 4: arrived late at night. I mean I'm talking three in

1040
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 4: the morning maybe something like that. It was maybe two something,

1041
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 4: it was.

1042
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: It was late, and we nailed down the time.

1043
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 5: So like I don't think we nail it down, but

1044
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 5: I think that there was definitely past midnight, Okay, and

1045
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 5: it was.

1046
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: It was in the wee small l was in the

1047
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: small lan and nothing stupid. The sun wasn't going up.

1048
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: There's still quite about the evening left, Yeah, there was.

1049
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 4: And but to be fear to us at that point

1050
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 4: when we arrived back in the communicato that I think

1051
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 4: it was a communicator being the highest we hadn't really

1052
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 4: seen the other guests, yes, because we arrived later when

1053
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 4: everybody else had gone.

1054
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: I don't even know where whether we had even acknowledged

1055
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: the fact that we were the guests. Sometimes when you've

1056
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: had a big night, you're your awareness of other people,

1057
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: your space, ship awareness you you know, it's all about you,

1058
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: about yourself.

1059
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 4: So I turned on at that point because I thought, right,

1060
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 4: I've had enough. I may have I may have passed out. Anyway,

1061
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 4: we all turned on. We all went down to our accommodation.

1062
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 5: Let me just say that before we turned in, before

1063
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 5: we even got up the stairs, and this my new friend,

1064
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 5: yes uh and and I had we were laughing very

1065
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 5: boutuously about the fact of how this has all ended

1066
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 5: up and how this was okay, well, okay, we'll hire

1067
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 5: Mike anyway.

1068
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: And and we we had begun canoodling on the steps

1069
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: of Lana's castle, or we bet we bet around the

1070
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: romantic grounds or is it straight into the states cold

1071
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a polar temperature around there, Jesus.

1072
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 5: And and this was sort of as I think, as

1073
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 5: some of as Jermy said, the end of a wonderful

1074
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 5: night that well, what a great time time to retire.

1075
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 5: And I think as they were retiring, I think I

1076
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 5: think maybe we tried to sneak into the ballroom where

1077
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 5: we tried to do a bit of a sort of

1078
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 5: a just kind of come out, have a look at this,

1079
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 5: and sort of thought better of it.

1080
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: We're going to get caught or it was all locked up.

1081
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: Memory says that was that we can to get in.

1082
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 5: Okay, I was room and then yeah, and so by

1083
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 5: this stage, of course we were passion and and uh,

1084
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 5: you know, and that's and that's you know how the

1085
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 5: heart racist things like that happened. And of course you've

1086
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 5: had a few and and exciting expected events, so this also,

1087
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 5: you know, you can't discount the fact of where we were.

1088
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 5: It was, oh my god, just it's you know how

1089
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 5: many other people have shared that, the opportunity to to

1090
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 5: take in the history and the yeah, the beauty of

1091
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 5: Atlantic Castle. Let's move the same time as a passion apparent.

1092
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so now you move to this your stable,

1093
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: your your allocated stable in the stables, your allocated area

1094
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: right and and next to another, next to another, separated

1095
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: by walls. And so I moved the story out of

1096
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: the Gerremy. At what point did you become aware that

1097
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: Mikey and the lovely Lady were engaged? And I'm not

1098
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: sure how to put it, coit it. I became very

1099
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: clear in the van. We became very clear in the

1100
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: van on the way over there that you do you

1101
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: want to have I skipped a hit of the story. Okay,

1102
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: so I became I just we're definitely, we're definitely what's

1103
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: you know? Basically? Yeah.

1104
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 5: Soon as soon as we turned the key, yeah, I

1105
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 5: was quite I think it was quite clear that we

1106
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 5: mutually consented and and we were we were really we

1107
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 5: really got excited.

1108
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how good back in the day with keys. Oh,

1109
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: it's great to have your key to your room instead

1110
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: of the bloody swiper. Yes, I knew a couple of things.

1111
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: I knew that when you know, this young lady was

1112
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: sitting on your knee and the and the van on

1113
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: the way over, I thought, well, I.

1114
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 4: Think I see where this may may go. And it

1115
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 4: seemed like both of them were enjoying the presumptions.

1116
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: Where it's going to go. Yeah, and look there was

1117
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty review. Well, it was two young people that

1118
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: you didn't think to sort of say, hey, can I

1119
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: talk to you for a second night.

1120
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 4: I was two young people you would have been sort

1121
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 4: of in your late twenties, and and a man you

1122
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 4: know who it was would enjoy the physicality of another

1123
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 4: human exactly, And you know, and why wouldn't you at

1124
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 4: that age? And and so I certainly no problem from

1125
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 4: my perspective. We all retire, I do, and I love

1126
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 4: to be adored. Yeah, yeah, and good on you. You've

1127
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 4: got to sample the joys of life. And then I

1128
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 4: went off in my direction, you went off in another direction.

1129
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 4: And then you know, as you do from my perspective,

1130
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 4: at that time, I lay my head down and then

1131
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: quietly sort of drifted off into a drunk comer.

1132
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,479
Speaker 1: And at some point in the night that you became

1133
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: aware of the activities and another store.

1134
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 4: Well, let's just say at certain times I was awoken

1135
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 4: by some sounds that were going around me, and at

1136
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 4: first I was I wondered what those sounds were. Some

1137
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 4: of me thought that maybe there was a haunting, because

1138
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 4: there was rumors of a haunting. That it was a castle,

1139
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 4: and it was quite a quite a loud noise. It

1140
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 4: was certainly obvious, but a joyous noise.

1141
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: So if it was a ghost, it was it was.

1142
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 4: It was a it was a happy ghost, very enthusiastic,

1143
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 4: I say, particularly enthusiastic.

1144
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: And the walls were very thin, and.

1145
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 5: It's also not often too an unexpected coupling like that's

1146
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 5: that's you find someone of maybe I'm wrong, but you

1147
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 5: know it's it's let's just say, it's exciting when you

1148
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 5: find someone with this with a similar approach and zest

1149
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 5: and come and thrust.

1150
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 4: I could hear that it was a very let's just say,

1151
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 4: the wall was almost makeshift in that particular area.

1152
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: It was very, very thin.

1153
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 4: I don't believe there's any baffling between between the stables.

1154
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 4: I don't think there was any insulation between the stables.

1155
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 4: There may not even have been that type of insulation

1156
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 4: in those days. So anyway, I was woken a couple

1157
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 4: of times and and my memory, my memory of it

1158
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 4: is that I was working it different and I remember

1159
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 4: looking at the time one sage and thinking, oh geez, okay,

1160
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 4: I vaguely remember for something in the fours.

1161
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: And then and that was the last of my memories.

1162
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: And then of course we were woken up. How would

1163
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 1: you because you've described this as a there's a word

1164
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: you've used to describe. Well, look, you described it as

1165
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: a pounding, Well there was there was eaves used to that.

1166
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: There was a pounding going on in the other room.

1167
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: It was certainly some vigorous activity, not wrong, but let's

1168
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: say it, but it's not the word. I mean, well,

1169
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: like we were on both sides. It's not a blacksmith. No,

1170
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: we're not saying it was a work bench. We're not

1171
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: saying that you were going about it and a sort

1172
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: of a robotic, sort of mechanical fashion far from far.

1173
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 5: And let's just say that. Uh so I was well

1174
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 5: aware of that those wars with things. Yeah, and I

1175
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 5: didn't even funck. I just really didn't care about that

1176
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 5: at all. And I noticed she didn't. And we were

1177
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 5: having the time of our lives and to the point

1178
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 5: where we were we were reminded that maybe in the

1179
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 5: fours it's just some summer not jeering me. Another another

1180
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 5: person that was another guest, reminded you of, well there

1181
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 5: was a shut.

1182
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: Up, just stop it.

1183
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 5: And and then so we're just like no history was

1184
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 5: being made, and and we like we just laughed it

1185
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,959
Speaker 5: off and and actually it actually just moved it up again,

1186
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 5: to be honest, and and then and then it was

1187
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 5: just like.

1188
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: Just big and all I remember it is just yelling

1189
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: fu just like just like just like terrible, like what

1190
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: did overcome me, like like Amir, at that stage, this

1191
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: is the thing that either attitude and just traveling over

1192
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: the flower, you're in the throngs of passion. I understand that.

1193
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: And then but I think there was a moment in

1194
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: the next morning when everybody emerves it's it's like the

1195
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: second or third time somebody's banged.

1196
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 5: And then yeah, of course my friends and colleagues were

1197
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 5: obviously being affected by it as well, but but they

1198
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 5: my friends and colleagues are to shut up.

1199
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: Maybe you have a word afterwards, And like I mean,

1200
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: Jeremy was sort of not in a dissimilar mind set,

1201
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of having been on the journey

1202
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: throughout the night, in terms of consumption and you know party.

1203
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: No one's saying he was listening to masturbating, and it's

1204
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: I've never thought of people have hold on when is

1205
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: that's speculate. There's never been any circulation. You told you

1206
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: told me you want to talk disclosure, and so they've

1207
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: said it. So there has been a suggestion over the

1208
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: years that you were joining them. Let me be clear,

1209
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: that's the time I suggested. Look, I think it's important

1210
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: that I suggested it.

1211
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 4: Now Categorically, I can I can tell you now I

1212
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 4: was not, and I just came in and out of

1213
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 4: consciousness during moments. And then I came in and out

1214
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 4: of consciousness certain moments enough time to look at my time,

1215
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 4: look at my watch, and I thought, jeez, that's been

1216
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 4: going on for some time.

1217
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: That is what I thought.

1218
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 4: But then the next morning that the bit that I

1219
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 4: remember is then there must have been some sleep, because

1220
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 4: things did quiet and down at some stage, but it

1221
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 4: was a very small amount of state. Right, There was

1222
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 4: no sleep right, And the next morning there was a

1223
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 4: communal breakfast down in the in the bottom area of

1224
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 4: the stables, which is held underneath, and it's quite a

1225
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 4: fancy breakfast, like it's really really nice. It's a silver

1226
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 4: service almost.

1227
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: So at this stage your mental state change is a

1228
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: little bit in the morning that when the sun comes up,

1229
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: you're bravado of the night before.

1230
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 5: They left Vado. Still, this is where Nus and the

1231
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 5: discretion both coming to play. And tafta in the morning

1232
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 5: is a very different thing to tafta at night. And

1233
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 5: and so it's gonna you know, you know, you can't

1234
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 5: just slip quietly through the other holiday makers.

1235
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: And so you went to the fancy breakfast with the

1236
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: other people picking up.

1237
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 4: Remember that, So we're all down, We're down there at

1238
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 4: the breakfast. I've gone down. I think there's been a

1239
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 4: text that's gone through to Mike at that stage, because

1240
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 4: I remember emerging for brieferst and the whole crew were

1241
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 4: there and they looked fresh. Some of them looked fresh,

1242
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 4: so them hadn't been to the after party, but Tarks had,

1243
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 4: but I think he was a driver, so he was

1244
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 4: also reasonably fresh.

1245
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: I was feeling Oh, I was feeling rough for.

1246
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 5: That had a few years, you know, you had good

1247
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 5: years though that young then, so yeah, bounce back pretty

1248
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 5: cool mentally.

1249
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 4: Not yeah, I would have been my twenty two. So

1250
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 4: you do you do bounce back in that situation. You

1251
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 4: take anything on board. At twenty two, everything's normal. So

1252
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 4: I was down there and then I just as I emerged,

1253
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 4: I remember glances from mainly from a large group that

1254
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 4: involved maybe two families with children, and they.

1255
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 5: Were over it, not like not like toddlers, but like

1256
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 5: with teenage children. They were just younger than teens.

1257
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, early early. Secondly, I'll admit to having a

1258
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: sense of.

1259
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 4: What yeah, and then and then so and then there

1260
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 4: were just looks. There were a lot of looks, and

1261
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 4: it was a very quiet breakfast. Put it that way,

1262
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 4: and things had calmed down from the night.

1263
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: Well, you remember what was on the merror. I remember.

1264
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: I just remember actually now that that this is opening

1265
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: a few triggering a few doors. I remember that.

1266
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 5: It's one of the yelling out situations. Was you're ruining

1267
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 5: our holiday? I remember that. Yeah, that might have been.

1268
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: So was that was it a was it a continental

1269
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: breakfast or was it a beautiful breakfast? I got to

1270
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: say so. Then we went through the break.

1271
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 5: They're expecting you to have gone to retire quite early. Yeah, yeah,

1272
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 5: I think they were even TVs in the stores were Yeah,

1273
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 5: they hardie breakfast to get on on with your day?

1274
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 5: Was it is a bit of a joke for was

1275
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 5: there Portabellot mushrooms problem? I had to say there was

1276
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 5: a because of course you go along Portabello Road and

1277
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 5: you're not far from Port bellow I love that. I

1278
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 5: remember it was really good and then and then.

1279
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 4: There was pressure on us at that point to get

1280
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 4: on the road because we had some TV to make

1281
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 4: and we had to get a point I just like

1282
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 4: poured slope point down in the south and the southernmost

1283
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 4: point of New Zealand, and that we were up against

1284
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 4: the clock because I think when we arrived there we

1285
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 4: had to do some filming or something. So I remember

1286
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 4: our director Dave was all right, and he was always

1287
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 4: a bit loath to sort of move us on and

1288
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 4: keep us moving because he's a lovely man. Lovely man

1289
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 4: didn't want any conflict, and so he'd be like, I

1290
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 4: think we need to kind of get things creaking. So

1291
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Speaker 4: next time, I think we didn't remember why we're on

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Speaker 4: this situation. It was a Saturday night though, I think

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Speaker 4: that's the thing. So we were were pleased to work

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Speaker 4: through the weekends. In those days, we do fourteen days

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Speaker 4: one month of the time. Yeah, yeah, it was quite intense.

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Speaker 4: It was intense. So then we were okay, we've got

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Speaker 4: they've got this young lady who's come back here and

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Speaker 4: she's obviously far a long way away from home. So

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Speaker 4: there was discussion at that point how we're going to

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Speaker 4: get and then we said, well, she's got to come

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Speaker 4: back with us because we're going back into town on

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Speaker 4: our way through. So at that point she's still in

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Speaker 4: an evening where.

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Speaker 1: And you can't remember whether it was a Falcon or

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Speaker 1: a high Hi.

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Speaker 4: No, at that point she hopped into the she hopped

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Speaker 4: into the Communicato vent.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the sideways or was it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I think we think of got this wrong. But and

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Speaker 1: then I think we and I'm not saying that this

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Speaker 1: was a good idea, but I think I was driving. No,

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Speaker 1: I believe that I was driving, but by that stage

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Speaker 1: was sober as I remember, like it wasn't was this

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Speaker 1: because it was one tour that you guys went on

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Speaker 1: where the the Falcon was a big part of the

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Speaker 1: car in terms of something of sponsorship. Was I think

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Speaker 1: this was? This was a Ford X six.

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Speaker 5: If memory suits me, quickly I dropped her home, Okay,

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Speaker 5: but I was the decision was made. You gotta if

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Speaker 5: you're going to do it, you have to go now. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: are you capable? Yeah, I'm capable of But it was

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Speaker 5: I was certainly not drunk anymore. No, from that bottle

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Speaker 5: of bean big passed around the party. Yeah, so so

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Speaker 5: and that was and then that was really that was

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Speaker 5: That was the And then I drive all the way

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Speaker 5: down the hill drop this wonderful, magical young lady. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and and you know, shame caught up afterwards but what

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Speaker 5: an amazing like romantic, magical night and and the night

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Speaker 5: before history was made? Not so much and they're not

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Speaker 5: so much. Lant castle also not didn't like it because

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Speaker 5: these people complain very very fastigious.

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Speaker 1: Just yeah, they weren't havy. Well guess I guess it's

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Speaker 1: it's the expectation gap, isn't it. You You've imagined you

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Speaker 1: can stay this this castle, and and it's going to

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01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: be so romantic, and you've and you've gone, oh, look,

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01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: we could stay anywhere in need, but we'll stay out Atlanta.

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01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: And then there's what's we described as a pounding, And

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Speaker 1: then there's newsboy in the other rooms finishing himself off.

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Speaker 1: Will he listens? Look, I mean half truth, that is

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01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: a half truth. Do you know what? Do you know

1342
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: what they're like? What what I've learned today in this

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01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: Royal inquiry into the I feel I know that I

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01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: feel so I feel like I wake off my shoulder,

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01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: I feel I'm I feel fond memories. Yeah, a little

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01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: bit of shaming guild, maybe a little bits a little bit.

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01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel any I don't think you. Look. The

1348
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: only thing I was I was gentlemanly the whole time.

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01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: And a very gentlemanly way.

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 4: But you were and not the only The only people

1351
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 4: that you could say that could have a problem with

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01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 4: what happened.

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01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: Are the guests that were sitting on the other side

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01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: of that wall for three or four or five hours.

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01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: Just yeah, just shaking their heads. Just really a victimless.

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01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: It's a victimless. I don't I don't think there's a crime, right,

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01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: that's the shaming girls. I think I feel I feel

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01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: like I ruined the holiday and well and I don't

1359
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: like that yelled what do you Where do you go

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01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 1: to learn it's castle? Do you go to learn a castle?

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01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: Will be part of history? And they were part of history,

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01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: being privy to what's been described as a beautiful pounding.

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Speaker 6: And I mean I'd like to most kids now they're

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01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 6: in their mid thirties and and you know, maybe if

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01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 6: they if they were to reach out, I'd like to

1366
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 6: talk to them about it. I like to see what

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Speaker 6: their thoughts were on it now and how they've changed

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01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,439
Speaker 6: and changed and how it changed their life.

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Speaker 1: But as we finished this Royal inquiry, I just want

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01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: to say, I'm apart from a few little details here

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01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: and there, what kind of vehicle it was whether there

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01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: was entertainment halftime involving a guy in a cult singing

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01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: the Intaga Highlanders song. There isn't a lot that you guys.

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01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean, the story that you've told Jerry is quite

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01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: close to to be. It's been corroborated quite well. So

1376
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: it sounds quite surprised by that. Matt Well, I don't

1377
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: know because the details that mean, there's a lot of detailing.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of details. Get those details right over

1379
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 4: a twenty over a twenty period, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, and how I mean like if this had been

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01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: a crime, you wouldn't get two witnesses that would be

1382
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: that much on the same page, you know what I mean?

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01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: Over the time? I mean, was it was it a

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01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: red fod falcon or a communicato hias is really the

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01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: only major point of difference, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I mean I remember it being

1387
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 4: quite a magical time. That's the party having a great

1388
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,759
Speaker 4: outlook over the water.

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Speaker 5: Do you remember that that big sort of in the

1390
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 5: lounges as the window which you're sort of darting but

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01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 5: no one's darting around, and maybe a disco ball in

1392
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 5: some fancy lights.

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01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: See.

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01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 4: I can't the bit that I can't give my head

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01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 4: around is how long we were at that after party four,

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01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 4: because it felt like we're only for twenty minutes, that

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01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 4: must have been there for a lot longer.

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01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: That could very much be the thank you guys went

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01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: somewhere else before there? No, it didn't. We didn't know.

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Speaker 1: You didn't know, right, did the did the did the

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01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: ceremony go late? Was there a bit of an hour?

1402
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: Was there a bit of a do after it at

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01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: the venue to finish at ten thirty eleven at the Cosmpolitan? Yeah?

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01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't recall going anywhere afterwards, So what did

1405
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 5: we do? Maybe No, I just think we there before

1406
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 5: we were because miscounties in the rats and none destroying men.

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Speaker 1: So I guess there was another little piece where you

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01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: guys differ in your memory, as Jerry has been claiming

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01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: that you guys were judging the pageant, which I always

1410
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: thought was interesting because I thought you and I've actually

1411
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: asked you about this, Yerio, did you have any particular

1412
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: skills in judging a pageant? And now it does seem

1413
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 1: ridiculous that you would have. We've been handed that's too

1414
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: on the mic, because we knew that we had these

1415
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: mics on and so we'd be going like this ongoing

1416
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: because they're recording everything. Even though we were just sitting

1417
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: there drinking. We were guests of honor. That that's what

1418
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: I vaguely remember being there as a guest something and

1419
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: very very grateful for that too. It's just a hell

1420
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: of a it's a hell of a humbling thing to

1421
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: something like that. Hey, look, thank you, so thanks so much, Mike.

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01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in my pleasure. And you know what,

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01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: that's clarity at the stage. This is fantastic. This is

1424
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: now on record. It's great to have it on good

1425
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: and as a resource, as a resource, you know, and

1426
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: for all music. We'll get this microfish at at the library. Yeah,

1427
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: that's now in the official record.

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01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 5: I was, I was, I was worried that I'd feel

1429
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 5: a little you know, this is a bringing out some

1430
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 5: some tales that prep in.

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01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: The top judgment. And like I said, we were both

1432
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, it definitely sounds like you're both into it.

1433
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: They are to it. Kids nowadays is into it. I

1434
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: don't think so, they are into it. There might be

1435
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: some people might not ever have released I think a

1436
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: lot of New Zealanders may never have reached that level

1437
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: of into it in their entire life, that levels of passion.

1438
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 1: And I'm very like so many things have happened on

1439
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: make you know, our experiences to get the gremy know,

1440
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: especially in the South Island, especially in the cold. Yeah

1441
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: yeah and Gorcy old Yeah yeah. But you're a man

1442
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: that's in touch with Mike. You're a man that's in

1443
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: touch with your with your soulity and in a very

1444
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: comfortable way. And and I've always thought that about you

1445
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: ever since I first met you, and that thank you,

1446
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: thank you, And that's that's what you want to be.

1447
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 1: That's what you want to be.

1448
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 5: So if you can make memories and you can explore

1449
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 5: your sexuality, and you can and you can meet New

1450
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 5: Zealanders what in romantic locations and remember that you did it?

1451
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: What do you want? I think that's I think that's

1452
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: that's a dream contrue. I think that's a lesson for everyone.

1453
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: And what access this Royal Inquiry has been. Yeah, thanks all,

1454
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: thank you very much and thank you for inquiring. Hello,

1455
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm Matt Heath. You have been listening to the Matt

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01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,519
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Speaker 1: Bless Blessed, blessed. Give them a taste of key we

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Speaker 1: from me,