1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Together due to see Ellen nine two nine two is 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: the text number standard text fees apply. Hit me with it. 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Now onto something altogether different, which is politics. Of course, 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: Winston Peters he has today ruled out working with Labour 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: leader Chris Hipkins in any future coalition. He's not ruled 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: out working with Labor, just ruled out working with Chippy. Now, 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: what that means is it dries up the most credible 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: paths of victory for Labor. It means that they would 9 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: most likely need to form a coalition with the Greens 10 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: and the Maori Party in order to form a government 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: after the next election. Now Chris Hipkins is the opposition leader. 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: High Chippy. Gooday, Heather, how are you? 13 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: I'm very well, thank you, how are you? Because this 14 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: means you're not going to be prime minister. 15 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: I think it means that Winston Peters are saying that 16 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: a vote for him as a vote for Christopher lux 17 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 2: and David Seymore and Winston Peter's to continue to run 18 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: their coalition of chaos. I think of New Zealander's want 19 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 2: to government, where Winston Peters and David Seamore aren't holding 20 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: the country to rents them on a daily basis. They 21 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: need to give their vote to labor. 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean this is a problem for you now, 23 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: isn't it chippy? Because the alternatives for you the the 24 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: only option you are left with. You're left with two 25 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: options that I can see. Number one, majority labor government 26 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: that's not going to happen for ages because of what 27 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,639 Speaker 1: you guys did last time. Or number two, you guys 28 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: plus the Greens and the Maldi Party and there's no 29 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: way center voters are going to go for that. So 30 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: your options are dried up, haven't they. 31 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: Look there's still plenty of water to flow under the 32 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 2: bridge yet, But my goal is to get out there 33 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 2: and grow labors. 34 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: What is that here? But come and be realistic. What's 35 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: that water going to change? The water can flow under 36 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: the bridge, what changes? 37 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: Oh, look, lots can change. But my goal is to 38 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: grow vote during that time. You know, I don't think 39 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: it's too I think, frankly, I think it's too it's 40 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: premature to be talking about potential coalitions yet, you know, 41 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: I think we've got to get out there in each 42 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: campaign for our you know, for our own share of 43 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: the vote. And then you know, MMP does require parties 44 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: to work together. But I think unlike this government. You know, 45 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: we will have some bottom lines and we'll set those 46 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: out before the election. And you know we're not just 47 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: going to allow the smaller parties to call all the 48 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: shots in the way that Christopher Luxin and the National 49 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: Party currently are doing. 50 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: You have got a giant target on your back in 51 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: the party now, haven't you. 52 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: No, not at all. 53 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: You're the problem. Chippy, You're the problem, he said. It's 54 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: not a Labor problem, it's a Chippy problem. So if 55 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: I was if I was a right thinking person in 56 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: the Labor Party right now and saw you as being 57 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: the problem, you're literally the thing that stops them from 58 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: becoming a government. You know, perhaps with Winston Peters, i'd 59 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: roll you. 60 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: I think most people in the Labor Party look at 61 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: Winston Peters and think we'd rather not have to work 62 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 2: with them anyway. I mean, his views are quite incompatible 63 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: with ours. It's not the same, not that incompatible ten 64 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 2: years ago. 65 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: Come on, what are you telling me that your views 66 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: are more aligned with the Maori Party. 67 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: I'm frankly, I'm not interested in some of the stuff 68 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 2: that Winston Peters keeps being on. 69 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: Are you interested in some of the stuff the Maori 70 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: Party is doing. 71 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: At the moment no, because I think both of them 72 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: are trying to provoke a culture or that I have 73 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: no interest in getting in. 74 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: And so who are you going to How are you 75 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: going to become government chippy? You can't do it on 76 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: your own? 77 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know, look, as I said, plenty of water 78 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: to flow under the bridge before the next election, Mike got. 79 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: My goal is to grow Labors vote as large as 80 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: I can, because you become the bigger Labour's share of 81 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: the vote, the less influenced, the smaller parties get. That's 82 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: the simple maths of MMP. 83 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: What do you think do you think some sort of 84 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: floating down this river and through under the bridge is 85 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: some sort of magical party that you can now coalist with? 86 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: Is the Unicorn party is going to arrive? 87 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: I think New Zealanders deserve to have the opportunity to 88 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: have a say on this rather than us predetermining it 89 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: all for them, and they do that in the form 90 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 2: of a general election. What we will do before the 91 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 2: election is set out which parties we think we can 92 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: find common ground within, which parties we don't think we 93 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: can find common ground with. And that will also include 94 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: setting out what is and isn't on the table because 95 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: you're not going to that. We simply wouldn't. 96 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: Wantry. Are You're going to go to the public and say, 97 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: do you know what, I can't work with Winston, but jeez, 98 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: I can work with that. Debbie and Rawery. Are you 99 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: going to do that? 100 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: No, I've said before the election, we will set out 101 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: exactly who we can and can't work with. But we've 102 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: do that closer to the election. 103 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: You need to stop listening to Willie Jackson, like you 104 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: know that he does not represent normal people. 105 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: A will do the it based on where we think 106 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: we can work with other parties, where we can find 107 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: common ground. I like Winston Peters. It won't be based 108 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: on ptvendettas. It will be based on points of principle. 109 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for your time. Chippy, as always, Chris Hopkins, 110 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: Labor Party leader Heather tell him is dreamer. He's dreaming. 111 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,119 Speaker 1: You can I just tell you quickly, just very quickly, 112 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: my reference to Willie I reckon Willie because what's going 113 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: on is Chippy comes out and he says, I'm going 114 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: to do blah blah blah, and then he goes into 115 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: that caucus meeting and then Willy makes some changes. Might 116 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: remember he was all like, I'm going to say I'm 117 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 1: not going to fill a buster on the Marty Parties, hucker. 118 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: Then he went into the caucus room. Then he came 119 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: out and he was like, hmm, I think I'm going 120 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: to fill a buster now. I reckon, I reckon. Willy's 121 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: got way too much sway in there. And Willie, because 122 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: he's tight with j T, he doesn't realize that the 123 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: Marty Party are a bit He thinks that it's okay anyway, whatever, 124 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: we'll talk about this later on. Got plenty plenty more 125 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: thoughts on this, and actually on that subject, Stu Nash 126 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: reckons that they're going to have to roll Chippy. Actually, 127 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: we'll get onto that later. 128 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 2: For more from Heather duplessy Ellen Drive, listen live to 129 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: News Talks it Be from four pm weekdays, or follow 130 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.