1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,867 Speaker 1: from News Talks edb Kinsey Tech. 3 00:00:13,987 --> 00:00:18,467 Speaker 2: That into the stands a statement wand with your blacks 4 00:00:18,867 --> 00:00:22,907 Speaker 2: they knock over the world number one and the all 5 00:00:23,027 --> 00:00:29,307 Speaker 2: Blacks in Irish hits again. Twenty three thirteen Sports they 6 00:00:29,667 --> 00:00:33,347 Speaker 2: ended Ireland. That's a fat runs in Dublin. 7 00:00:33,107 --> 00:00:36,107 Speaker 3: In nineteen here that was a year ago. A candidate 8 00:00:36,187 --> 00:00:39,987 Speaker 3: probably for best performance of the Scott Robertson Era. For 9 00:00:40,107 --> 00:00:43,307 Speaker 3: tomorrow morning, Ireland's usual captain Kaylin Doris is going to 10 00:00:43,347 --> 00:00:46,227 Speaker 3: come off the bench. He returns from a shoulder injury 11 00:00:46,267 --> 00:00:48,827 Speaker 3: that's kept him out since May, forcing him to miss 12 00:00:48,827 --> 00:00:51,307 Speaker 3: the British and Irish Lines tour of Australia. Dan Sheehan 13 00:00:51,387 --> 00:00:54,227 Speaker 3: will captain the side from hooker. When I want to 14 00:00:54,227 --> 00:00:56,507 Speaker 3: get a read on Irish rugby, there's one guy I 15 00:00:56,627 --> 00:00:59,187 Speaker 3: normally get in touch with. New Zealand born former rugby 16 00:00:59,267 --> 00:01:03,507 Speaker 3: player with Otago, top level coach in Ireland, best selling 17 00:01:03,627 --> 00:01:06,227 Speaker 3: author in one of Ireland's best known and most respected 18 00:01:06,547 --> 00:01:08,987 Speaker 3: rugby voices, Brent Pope. Pope be great to have the 19 00:01:09,067 --> 00:01:12,067 Speaker 3: chance to tet to you. How accurately can we assess 20 00:01:12,187 --> 00:01:15,187 Speaker 3: where Ireland are at given that their full strength side 21 00:01:15,227 --> 00:01:18,627 Speaker 3: hasn't played together since the end of the Six Nations 22 00:01:18,827 --> 00:01:19,827 Speaker 3: at the back end of March. 23 00:01:21,627 --> 00:01:25,267 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's two ways of looking at that, Jason. 24 00:01:25,307 --> 00:01:27,907 Speaker 4: I know everybody's saying here, as they're probably saying in 25 00:01:27,987 --> 00:01:30,627 Speaker 4: New Zaland, that this Irish team is probably coming in 26 00:01:30,707 --> 00:01:34,027 Speaker 4: a bit undercooked, and yes, on paper they probably are. 27 00:01:34,227 --> 00:01:37,587 Speaker 4: But I sometimes think that the Irish like to have 28 00:01:37,747 --> 00:01:39,587 Speaker 4: it that way. They like to come into matches as 29 00:01:39,667 --> 00:01:43,147 Speaker 4: underdogs because when they've been favorites over the last few years, 30 00:01:43,187 --> 00:01:46,547 Speaker 4: they've consequently gone on to lose mo stage games. Favorites 31 00:01:46,627 --> 00:01:50,027 Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen, number one in the world, same as 32 00:01:50,107 --> 00:01:51,747 Speaker 4: going into the World Cup. You could have argued that 33 00:01:51,787 --> 00:01:53,787 Speaker 4: there were maybe favorites for that game against the All 34 00:01:53,867 --> 00:01:57,227 Speaker 4: Blacks and they come unstuck. So it's where you think 35 00:01:57,467 --> 00:02:00,867 Speaker 4: you take one game that Leinster played against mons L 36 00:02:00,867 --> 00:02:04,507 Speaker 4: where they lost heavily, that seems to be overriding everybody's 37 00:02:04,547 --> 00:02:07,627 Speaker 4: decision in my opinion. I've still got a pretty good pack. 38 00:02:08,027 --> 00:02:10,387 Speaker 4: I think they might be a bit weakened in the 39 00:02:10,507 --> 00:02:13,067 Speaker 4: back line, and I think yes, you'd have to say 40 00:02:13,107 --> 00:02:15,707 Speaker 4: that New Zealand are in better shape at this time 41 00:02:15,787 --> 00:02:18,147 Speaker 4: of the year. But that's not to say this game 42 00:02:18,227 --> 00:02:21,347 Speaker 4: is not going to be tight. It always is traditionally, 43 00:02:21,427 --> 00:02:24,227 Speaker 4: and I think that Andy Farrell has a good ability 44 00:02:24,347 --> 00:02:27,027 Speaker 4: to get the players up for match. He's a master 45 00:02:27,187 --> 00:02:31,027 Speaker 4: coach in his regards of team spurt and team camarader 46 00:02:31,107 --> 00:02:32,667 Speaker 4: and all that. He focuses on that a lot, So 47 00:02:32,747 --> 00:02:35,187 Speaker 4: he'll have the players up for this match. Don't worry 48 00:02:35,227 --> 00:02:35,507 Speaker 4: about that. 49 00:02:35,867 --> 00:02:38,507 Speaker 3: Let's drill a bit deeper into the side. Then what 50 00:02:38,667 --> 00:02:40,787 Speaker 3: do you make of the team that Andy Farrell has 51 00:02:40,907 --> 00:02:43,067 Speaker 3: name for this teast well a. 52 00:02:43,067 --> 00:02:45,267 Speaker 4: Bit of a surprise. I think he's picked that the 53 00:02:45,427 --> 00:02:49,787 Speaker 4: on form team as far as the championship over here 54 00:02:49,827 --> 00:02:53,507 Speaker 4: has concerned the ERC. Stuart McCluskey would have been one 55 00:02:53,587 --> 00:02:56,427 Speaker 4: that people may have question, but he's a big guy. 56 00:02:56,547 --> 00:02:59,827 Speaker 4: He's probably six four, one hundred and ten cage's so 57 00:02:59,867 --> 00:03:02,587 Speaker 4: I think he's been selected to do the Bundy archy role. 58 00:03:03,027 --> 00:03:05,747 Speaker 4: I think Bundy has come into the kind of last 59 00:03:05,867 --> 00:03:08,387 Speaker 4: year's thirty six there has come to the last years 60 00:03:08,427 --> 00:03:11,427 Speaker 4: of this kind of so he's picked like for like 61 00:03:11,507 --> 00:03:14,107 Speaker 4: in the sense because Gary Ringrose is the sort of 62 00:03:14,547 --> 00:03:17,067 Speaker 4: Conrad Smith type of player. He's a kind of thoroughbred 63 00:03:17,147 --> 00:03:19,627 Speaker 4: in the back line what they needed inside center or 64 00:03:19,787 --> 00:03:22,147 Speaker 4: second five as a bludgeon. And I think that Stuart 65 00:03:22,227 --> 00:03:25,387 Speaker 4: mcclusky's form has been good for Ulster Championship so far 66 00:03:25,787 --> 00:03:29,467 Speaker 4: and I think he probably deserves a spot he can. 67 00:03:29,667 --> 00:03:31,907 Speaker 4: He hasn't got as many caps as as aids suggest, 68 00:03:32,027 --> 00:03:35,027 Speaker 4: so he's probably coming into the primers careers. He's not 69 00:03:35,107 --> 00:03:39,107 Speaker 4: as overdone as probably overworked as Bundy is. But you know, 70 00:03:39,347 --> 00:03:42,707 Speaker 4: the pretty good, exciting back line. Tom O'Brien a real 71 00:03:42,827 --> 00:03:45,707 Speaker 4: speech to good in the air in particular, and that'll 72 00:03:45,707 --> 00:03:47,987 Speaker 4: be important against New Zealand because that's probably where they've 73 00:03:47,987 --> 00:03:51,147 Speaker 4: been a bit weak in their own championship. So he's 74 00:03:51,147 --> 00:03:54,667 Speaker 4: good in their James low course brings his rugby knowledge 75 00:03:54,667 --> 00:03:57,427 Speaker 4: from New Zealand and his big boot and then you know, 76 00:03:57,587 --> 00:04:00,267 Speaker 4: so it's a pretty good back line if they get 77 00:04:00,387 --> 00:04:03,067 Speaker 4: enough ball. But that would be the worry because I 78 00:04:03,147 --> 00:04:07,387 Speaker 4: think that Island set piece game hasn't functioned as well 79 00:04:08,467 --> 00:04:10,787 Speaker 4: for the last year in particular, so they've got to 80 00:04:10,827 --> 00:04:13,507 Speaker 4: get that right. They've got a number of world class 81 00:04:13,547 --> 00:04:15,987 Speaker 4: forwards in their pack, so I think they'll hold kind 82 00:04:16,067 --> 00:04:19,027 Speaker 4: of sway the whold equality in that area. I just 83 00:04:19,107 --> 00:04:22,627 Speaker 4: think that the All Blecks may be better conditioned out 84 00:04:22,707 --> 00:04:24,947 Speaker 4: wide for Ireland this time. 85 00:04:25,547 --> 00:04:27,467 Speaker 3: Do you think there would have been any temptation to 86 00:04:27,587 --> 00:04:30,347 Speaker 3: bring Kaylen Doris straight back into the starting site. 87 00:04:31,507 --> 00:04:33,987 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean I think Kaylen Dorris is probably the 88 00:04:34,627 --> 00:04:37,547 Speaker 4: apex of world number eight and he's a fantastic player. 89 00:04:37,547 --> 00:04:39,987 Speaker 4: I watched Kaylen since he was a schoolboy. He's a 90 00:04:40,507 --> 00:04:43,987 Speaker 4: kind of a Kieran Reed type player Jason. He's very intelligent, 91 00:04:44,507 --> 00:04:47,427 Speaker 4: runs great lines, and he belies is kind of a 92 00:04:47,827 --> 00:04:50,427 Speaker 4: he's a more kind of about six' four and he's 93 00:04:50,467 --> 00:04:53,987 Speaker 4: kind of more lightweight than the kind Of Buck shelford 94 00:04:54,067 --> 00:04:57,427 Speaker 4: molded player of. Something but he's a very intelligent player 95 00:04:57,427 --> 00:05:00,467 Speaker 4: and he runs great. LINES i just think that it 96 00:05:00,667 --> 00:05:02,547 Speaker 4: was probably a bit of a risk to staff and 97 00:05:02,707 --> 00:05:06,507 Speaker 4: because he's obviously his conditioning despite him coming back from 98 00:05:06,547 --> 00:05:09,307 Speaker 4: injury well and training for the last two, weeks he's 99 00:05:09,347 --> 00:05:11,787 Speaker 4: not at that level yet to blame international, rugby especially 100 00:05:11,787 --> 00:05:13,427 Speaker 4: against The All. Blacks SO i think he will come 101 00:05:13,507 --> 00:05:15,867 Speaker 4: onto the pitch at some stage and he's a good 102 00:05:15,867 --> 00:05:18,027 Speaker 4: option to come on in the second half and the 103 00:05:18,067 --> 00:05:19,787 Speaker 4: game that comes a bit. Looser BUT i think that 104 00:05:20,227 --> 00:05:22,347 Speaker 4: they don't lose anything in their back. Row in, fact 105 00:05:22,627 --> 00:05:25,347 Speaker 4: if you looked at the back row, selections they've probably 106 00:05:25,987 --> 00:05:28,787 Speaker 4: got more experience and more dynams and in some ways 107 00:05:28,827 --> 00:05:30,747 Speaker 4: than The All blacks back, row BECAUSE i think that's 108 00:05:30,787 --> 00:05:33,627 Speaker 4: been an area of concern for me for the last 109 00:05:33,707 --> 00:05:35,867 Speaker 4: couple of. Years but The All blacks haven't settled on 110 00:05:37,147 --> 00:05:39,387 Speaker 4: a on a back row that they know. About Ardie 111 00:05:39,427 --> 00:05:42,307 Speaker 4: savi has gone back to. Seven Peter laki gets as 112 00:05:42,347 --> 00:05:45,107 Speaker 4: fans at eight of, course and then the number six 113 00:05:45,147 --> 00:05:47,867 Speaker 4: AND i think they've still been looking for a big 114 00:05:48,027 --> 00:05:50,107 Speaker 4: kind of number six that can take them to The World. 115 00:05:50,107 --> 00:05:52,627 Speaker 4: Cup AND i don't know whether they've quite got there, 116 00:05:52,747 --> 00:05:56,227 Speaker 4: yet but that would be something That New zealand rugby 117 00:05:56,267 --> 00:05:56,587 Speaker 4: you're looking. 118 00:05:56,627 --> 00:05:59,747 Speaker 3: At this game's In, chicago of, course does that favor 119 00:06:00,347 --> 00:06:01,907 Speaker 3: The irish, Popy. 120 00:06:02,547 --> 00:06:04,347 Speaker 4: Well it favors of as as the. CROWD i was 121 00:06:04,387 --> 00:06:07,027 Speaker 4: there at the last, match what tea years ago or 122 00:06:07,067 --> 00:06:09,907 Speaker 4: something like, that and it was a fantastic. Occasion every 123 00:06:09,987 --> 00:06:13,707 Speaker 4: plane that's coming out Of manchester And liverpool And ireland 124 00:06:13,827 --> 00:06:16,507 Speaker 4: is going straight to that. Match So New zealand fans 125 00:06:16,507 --> 00:06:19,267 Speaker 4: will be well. Outnumbered you can expect. That so that'll 126 00:06:19,307 --> 00:06:22,507 Speaker 4: give this sort of sixteenth man In ireland's. FAVOR i 127 00:06:22,747 --> 00:06:25,427 Speaker 4: just think the timing of this game for The irish 128 00:06:25,507 --> 00:06:29,067 Speaker 4: team you've got it depends on whether the, players of 129 00:06:29,147 --> 00:06:30,947 Speaker 4: which there are eight of, them and the starting team 130 00:06:31,267 --> 00:06:33,827 Speaker 4: depends on whether the players come back from the lines 131 00:06:33,947 --> 00:06:36,747 Speaker 4: tore a bit, shaded or when they come back and 132 00:06:36,787 --> 00:06:38,787 Speaker 4: they've had a bit of a rest and they more 133 00:06:39,147 --> 00:06:42,187 Speaker 4: energize that that will be key because what we saw 134 00:06:42,227 --> 00:06:44,347 Speaker 4: in The Leinster monster game when we saw a lot 135 00:06:44,387 --> 00:06:47,867 Speaker 4: of players struggling at that that was the first game 136 00:06:47,907 --> 00:06:49,947 Speaker 4: that had come TOGETHER U so the combinations won't be 137 00:06:50,027 --> 00:06:53,467 Speaker 4: there For. Ireland and also there may be a lack 138 00:06:53,547 --> 00:06:55,707 Speaker 4: of game title top game time for some of the. 139 00:06:55,747 --> 00:06:59,667 Speaker 4: Players but that you, Know island had this ability sometimes 140 00:06:59,707 --> 00:07:02,067 Speaker 4: to just pull these games out of the hat when 141 00:07:02,067 --> 00:07:05,267 Speaker 4: they're going to going and as, underdogs people already saying over, 142 00:07:05,307 --> 00:07:07,987 Speaker 4: here you know they'll get. That that's just What Andy 143 00:07:08,067 --> 00:07:10,387 Speaker 4: farrell wants to. Hear he wants to hear that news 144 00:07:10,387 --> 00:07:12,027 Speaker 4: because they'll go back to the players and, say come, on, 145 00:07:12,187 --> 00:07:14,427 Speaker 4: guys you, know let's get. Up there's just one game. 146 00:07:14,867 --> 00:07:16,787 Speaker 4: Something give me all you've, Got because if you look 147 00:07:16,827 --> 00:07:19,387 Speaker 4: at their, team especially out front of the world class Front. 148 00:07:19,427 --> 00:07:22,387 Speaker 4: BURWY i, Mean Dan shean is probably up there as 149 00:07:22,427 --> 00:07:25,067 Speaker 4: the best hook in the. World Tyger burn is probably 150 00:07:25,107 --> 00:07:27,307 Speaker 4: going to be the world player this. Year is to. 151 00:07:27,467 --> 00:07:32,307 Speaker 4: Jest beard is a six foot six and a wonderful. 152 00:07:32,347 --> 00:07:35,707 Speaker 4: Athlete and then you've got you, Know josh vanderfle World 153 00:07:35,747 --> 00:07:37,107 Speaker 4: player of The year a couple of years. Ago so 154 00:07:37,547 --> 00:07:39,387 Speaker 4: they've a good pack and they've given some part and 155 00:07:39,427 --> 00:07:41,547 Speaker 4: get the ball in front of, them they can do some. 156 00:07:41,707 --> 00:07:43,907 Speaker 4: Damage is whether or not they can last eighty minutes 157 00:07:43,907 --> 00:07:46,467 Speaker 4: against the all black side that hopefully is going to 158 00:07:46,667 --> 00:07:48,987 Speaker 4: want to look to A Grand slam this year BECAUSE 159 00:07:49,067 --> 00:07:52,627 Speaker 4: i think that you, Know New zealand rugby this year 160 00:07:53,347 --> 00:07:56,907 Speaker 4: watching it over here hasn't been hugely, impressive even though 161 00:07:56,987 --> 00:07:59,227 Speaker 4: the wind record is quite. Good BUT i don't think 162 00:07:59,267 --> 00:08:02,067 Speaker 4: they've clicked just. Yet so is this the hard time 163 00:08:02,107 --> 00:08:05,027 Speaker 4: for them to? Click probably because they've picked a pretty strong. 164 00:08:05,187 --> 00:08:07,947 Speaker 4: Side stronger SIDE i think that they could have. Selected 165 00:08:07,987 --> 00:08:10,427 Speaker 4: you could argue about So tit being at number eight 166 00:08:10,467 --> 00:08:13,827 Speaker 4: and another couple of, positions BUT i Think quintupi deserves 167 00:08:13,867 --> 00:08:16,387 Speaker 4: his opportunity was great and that a couple of games 168 00:08:16,427 --> 00:08:18,867 Speaker 4: THAT i saw of them for The All, blacks but so, 169 00:08:19,027 --> 00:08:21,107 Speaker 4: yeah it'll BE i think it'll be tighter than people. 170 00:08:21,227 --> 00:08:23,787 Speaker 4: THINK i think that you, know there'll be one score in. 171 00:08:23,867 --> 00:08:27,787 Speaker 4: It traditionally these games have always been, tight and despite people, saying, 172 00:08:27,827 --> 00:08:31,267 Speaker 4: oh you, know The All blacks are ranked, FAVORITES i 173 00:08:31,587 --> 00:08:32,507 Speaker 4: don't quite see it that. 174 00:08:32,627 --> 00:08:36,187 Speaker 3: Way just to Finish popey from a wider, viewpoint where 175 00:08:36,227 --> 00:08:39,707 Speaker 3: do you evaluate Where ireland are sort of midway through 176 00:08:40,147 --> 00:08:43,107 Speaker 3: The Rugby World cup cycle as we look towards twenty twenty. 177 00:08:43,187 --> 00:08:47,667 Speaker 4: Seven, yeah good, question because that's what everybody's asking over. 178 00:08:47,747 --> 00:08:52,347 Speaker 4: HERE i think that that's sort of they're not as 179 00:08:52,427 --> 00:08:54,907 Speaker 4: far there's not as far in the development phase as 180 00:08:54,947 --> 00:08:59,227 Speaker 4: Say france And. England you, know those both sides would 181 00:08:59,227 --> 00:09:02,467 Speaker 4: scare me for the Next World, cup Especially england BECAUSE 182 00:09:02,467 --> 00:09:04,187 Speaker 4: i think they've got a number of young players that 183 00:09:04,267 --> 00:09:07,027 Speaker 4: have come through last, season the same As france did 184 00:09:07,067 --> 00:09:08,707 Speaker 4: a couple of years. Ago they've promoted a lot of 185 00:09:08,747 --> 00:09:11,707 Speaker 4: guys from their under twenty under twenty one, System SO 186 00:09:12,147 --> 00:09:14,627 Speaker 4: i think this rent great rugby is in a place 187 00:09:14,667 --> 00:09:18,467 Speaker 4: at the. Moment, IRELAND i think they're going to struggle 188 00:09:18,467 --> 00:09:20,947 Speaker 4: a bit with the age profile because you, know they 189 00:09:20,947 --> 00:09:23,667 Speaker 4: have a number of players into their early thirties that 190 00:09:23,747 --> 00:09:26,387 Speaker 4: will be a couple of years on and the Next World. 191 00:09:26,427 --> 00:09:28,587 Speaker 4: Cup so you're suddenly looking at guys Like Gibson park 192 00:09:28,627 --> 00:09:31,507 Speaker 4: and that being thirty four or thirty, five do they 193 00:09:31,547 --> 00:09:34,107 Speaker 4: make it to the Next World? Cup you Know, Henshaw 194 00:09:34,787 --> 00:09:36,867 Speaker 4: these guys that have been around the block a long, 195 00:09:36,987 --> 00:09:39,827 Speaker 4: time you, Know Bundy, arky these sort of players that 196 00:09:39,907 --> 00:09:42,587 Speaker 4: have been crucial at the Last World. Cup so we 197 00:09:42,747 --> 00:09:45,387 Speaker 4: don't see too many players coming through just at the. 198 00:09:45,467 --> 00:09:48,587 Speaker 4: Moment plenty Of fords and plenty of big, guys which is, 199 00:09:48,667 --> 00:09:51,547 Speaker 4: promising you, know plenty of athletic young guys coming through 200 00:09:51,547 --> 00:09:53,667 Speaker 4: the lens to convey a belt or coming Through. Monster 201 00:09:53,747 --> 00:09:56,667 Speaker 4: SO i think they're well the way on top of it. 202 00:09:56,787 --> 00:10:00,427 Speaker 4: THERE i just worry about certain. Positions scrum half would 203 00:10:00,467 --> 00:10:01,227 Speaker 4: be a bit of a. 204 00:10:01,347 --> 00:10:02,587 Speaker 3: Worry you. 205 00:10:02,627 --> 00:10:04,827 Speaker 4: Know It's casey at that level of gets some part 206 00:10:04,867 --> 00:10:07,427 Speaker 4: Because Gibson, park as you, know it's probably been you, 207 00:10:07,467 --> 00:10:09,187 Speaker 4: know one of the top scrum halfs of the last 208 00:10:09,267 --> 00:10:12,667 Speaker 4: five years or six years playing in the world. Game 209 00:10:12,787 --> 00:10:15,067 Speaker 4: SO i don't know Whether casey fills that. Spot just. 210 00:10:15,187 --> 00:10:17,907 Speaker 4: Shit they still sort of did an argument going over. 211 00:10:17,987 --> 00:10:21,187 Speaker 4: Here who starts at out. Half is It prendergas Or? Crowley, 212 00:10:21,267 --> 00:10:23,987 Speaker 4: Yes crowley gets there this time because of his performance 213 00:10:24,507 --> 00:10:27,227 Speaker 4: for months or Against, leinster but there's a school of 214 00:10:27,307 --> 00:10:30,027 Speaker 4: thought that Prender gas brings a better passing game into. 215 00:10:30,107 --> 00:10:32,147 Speaker 4: It then you've got to look to the, midfield where 216 00:10:32,147 --> 00:10:35,387 Speaker 4: they don't seem to have too many kind of players 217 00:10:35,427 --> 00:10:37,707 Speaker 4: that are coming through the. Ranks and we're only two years. 218 00:10:37,747 --> 00:10:40,547 Speaker 4: Out So Andy farrell has got to probably look at 219 00:10:40,587 --> 00:10:43,707 Speaker 4: this year as being the kind of experimental year and 220 00:10:43,787 --> 00:10:46,947 Speaker 4: give some of these players games and The Six nations 221 00:10:47,067 --> 00:10:49,187 Speaker 4: and the next year's tour, whatever and just to see 222 00:10:49,227 --> 00:10:50,747 Speaker 4: if they're. Ready because you don't want to go into 223 00:10:50,747 --> 00:10:54,627 Speaker 4: A World cup with players only having played maybe half dozen. 224 00:10:54,707 --> 00:10:57,467 Speaker 4: Internationals do you want them going in and playing twenty 225 00:10:57,627 --> 00:11:00,867 Speaker 4: or thirty internationals between there and. Now SO i would 226 00:11:00,867 --> 00:11:04,867 Speaker 4: say sort of a six or seven out of. TEN 227 00:11:05,027 --> 00:11:07,027 Speaker 4: i would See New zealand be a bit the same 228 00:11:07,107 --> 00:11:09,427 Speaker 4: to be honest and say they're about the same as 229 00:11:09,507 --> 00:11:11,067 Speaker 4: six or seven out of. Ten they've still got a 230 00:11:11,107 --> 00:11:13,987 Speaker 4: few positions to nail. Down they've, scored you, know their 231 00:11:14,027 --> 00:11:16,507 Speaker 4: midfield is a bit of a bit of a worry for. 232 00:11:16,627 --> 00:11:18,267 Speaker 4: Me has been for the last couple of. Years the 233 00:11:18,627 --> 00:11:21,227 Speaker 4: composition of their back, row Which New zealand has always been, 234 00:11:21,267 --> 00:11:23,547 Speaker 4: strong and Every World cup they've won they've had a 235 00:11:23,587 --> 00:11:26,507 Speaker 4: really strong back. ROW i don't think they've quite discovered 236 00:11:26,547 --> 00:11:30,627 Speaker 4: that combination, yet But i've got two years to do 237 00:11:30,707 --> 00:11:33,187 Speaker 4: it soose Like, ireland BUT i put them onto the 238 00:11:33,267 --> 00:11:34,467 Speaker 4: level plagains where they. 239 00:11:34,507 --> 00:11:38,267 Speaker 3: Are it makes this test really really. Intriguing always appreciate 240 00:11:38,387 --> 00:11:43,227 Speaker 3: your terrific analysis and, Insight. Pope thanks for joining, us, Mate, yeah. 241 00:11:43,067 --> 00:11:45,707 Speaker 4: Thanks very, much and just to say it's The tiger boys. 242 00:11:45,747 --> 00:11:48,747 Speaker 4: HERE i watched got up last week and really proud 243 00:11:48,787 --> 00:11:52,147 Speaker 4: of the season they had and you, know congratulations a. 244 00:11:52,227 --> 00:11:52,827 Speaker 3: Canopy BUT i. 245 00:11:52,827 --> 00:11:55,907 Speaker 4: Think it was a cracking season all around THE. NPC 246 00:11:56,027 --> 00:11:56,907 Speaker 4: i really enjoyed it this. 247 00:11:57,027 --> 00:11:59,667 Speaker 3: Year yeah us, Too Thanks. Pope Bring pope there out 248 00:11:59,707 --> 00:12:03,427 Speaker 3: Of ireland with his analysis of The irish side ahead 249 00:12:03,427 --> 00:12:05,987 Speaker 3: of This test match. Tomorrow interesting thoughts. THERE i think 250 00:12:06,387 --> 00:12:09,267 Speaker 3: you know he's, right isn't. He midway through The World cup. 251 00:12:09,387 --> 00:12:12,267 Speaker 3: CYCLE i think Both ireland and The All, blacks and 252 00:12:12,387 --> 00:12:14,107 Speaker 3: probably most of the teams in the, world with the 253 00:12:14,147 --> 00:12:17,067 Speaker 3: exception Of South, africa are just kind of finding their 254 00:12:17,107 --> 00:12:19,547 Speaker 3: way aren't. They and that's what you. Know if we 255 00:12:19,787 --> 00:12:23,227 Speaker 3: hang international rugby On World, cups that's what these years are. For, 256 00:12:23,787 --> 00:12:26,747 Speaker 3: yes you want to win rugby championships and Six nations 257 00:12:26,827 --> 00:12:32,027 Speaker 3: and Bleed Uslow, cups. Etc but, really you, know if 258 00:12:32,067 --> 00:12:36,307 Speaker 3: you think, back can you name the last ten winners 259 00:12:36,347 --> 00:12:39,667 Speaker 3: of The Rugby championship in? Order can you name the 260 00:12:39,747 --> 00:12:44,707 Speaker 3: last Ten Six nations winners in? ORDER i think most 261 00:12:44,747 --> 00:12:47,787 Speaker 3: of us can probably name every winner of The Rugby 262 00:12:47,827 --> 00:12:49,427 Speaker 3: World cup going back to nineteen eighty. 263 00:12:49,507 --> 00:12:53,307 Speaker 1: Seven for more From Weekend sport With Jason, fine listen 264 00:12:53,467 --> 00:12:57,067 Speaker 1: live to news talks be weekends from, midday or follow 265 00:12:57,107 --> 00:12:58,667 Speaker 1: the podcast On iHeartRadio