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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at BND. Your weekend off the right way.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with jackdam News Talks at b.

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Speaker 3: We're counting down the hours, we are counting down the

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Speaker 3: sleeps on News talks 'v this morning. Good morning, so

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Speaker 3: good to have you with us. This is our final

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Speaker 3: Saturday Morning together for twenty twenty five. I'm Jack taming

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Speaker 3: with you through the midday, my absolute pleasure and boy boy,

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Speaker 3: do we have a show for you today. So before

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Speaker 3: ten o'clock if you are looking for a bit of inspiration,

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Speaker 3: here to the twenty fifth for a Christmas Day assert.

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Speaker 3: Our cook Nikki Wicks has a peach and Bury trifle

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Speaker 3: cake recipe that I think is going to be just

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Speaker 3: the trick for you. We've got your film picks for

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Speaker 3: the holiday period, plus our feature interview after ten o'clock

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Speaker 3: this morning. As a woman who's had a series of

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Speaker 3: incredible jobs, so she's had kind of the top marketing

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Apple needed much marketing or Netflix

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Speaker 3: Uber Pepsi, but Bose of Saint John has had the

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Speaker 3: top marketing gigs at all of those companies. Now, though

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Speaker 3: she has taken on a new role. She's one of

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Speaker 3: the stars of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So

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Speaker 3: why after making it so big in the corporate world,

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Speaker 3: which she choose to go on a reality TV show.

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Speaker 3: She'll be with us after ten to explain. Right now,

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Speaker 4: Jack Team.

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Speaker 3: As a little kid, I always slept terribly on Christmas Eve.

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Speaker 3: I would try and go to bed early. I would

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Speaker 3: tell myself that the sooner I went to sleep, the

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Speaker 3: as anything, I'd be up all night listening for any

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Speaker 3: scentered Christmas tree to see if Dad's old football socks

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Speaker 3: Christmas Eve will be another poor sleep, not because I

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Speaker 3: on the corrugated iron roof. But because it's my first

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Speaker 3: Christmas morning with our ten month old son, we are

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Speaker 3: taking both our boys to their cousin's place for Christmas.

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Speaker 3: So five kids average age four and a half. What

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Speaker 3: and to feed. Christmas I reckon it is. It's kind

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Speaker 3: of a touchstone for our family. I think, like many

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean. You think about it. You

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Speaker 3: The grandparents whom I shared Christmas Day with as a

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Speaker 3: next Right now, it's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame,

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Speaker 3: It's Saturday morning and this is Newstalks.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend with Jack.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team news talk said be.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen minutes past eleven. No news Talks, he'd be Jack.

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Speaker 3: What a lovely story. I'm sure you brought many a

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Speaker 3: for me though, remembering the last eighty years past of Christmases.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Milne for the last time this year.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Kevin, how give it, Jack, you know that

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Speaker 5: you're going to have a lovely, lovely, memorable Christmas win

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Speaker 5: and got lots of kids around you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yes, yes, yeah, so yeah, So we're spending

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Speaker 7: That it should be. It should be a lovely day.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that'll be fantastic. Kevin, And speaking of Christmas, you'd

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Speaker 3: like to talk this morning about meaningful music.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, A radio station once invited me to name

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Speaker 7: I thought about it for days.

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Speaker 5: What song meant the most to me when I got

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Speaker 5: It was the two hundred year old Christmas carol Silent

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Speaker 5: Night for Me. Silent Night, especially played by a brass band,

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Speaker 5: Producer know my selection was Silent Night and I wanted

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Speaker 5: Everyone else but me named their favorite pop song. I

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Speaker 5: May you Jack, Producer Libby, and all our listeners enjoy

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is stirring, isn't it, Kevin. It's a beautiful

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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful, stirring song, especially as performed by a

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Speaker 5: Do you remember Jack and christ Church So they've got

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Speaker 5: the Salvation Army band I do around Christmas?

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Speaker 3: Look, Kevin, thank you so much for everything this year.

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Speaker 3: How many years is this now on Saturday morning? You're

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Speaker 5: Twenty seven years exactly the same amount of time I

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, we love starting Saturday mornings with you, so

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Speaker 3: thank you very much for everything this year. Have a

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Speaker 3: as well. Beautiful words Jack this morning says Rose. Merry

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Speaker 3: great day. Jack. You've rekindled our happy memories of Christmas's past.

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Speaker 3: Right, highlights of twenty twenty five. What stands out to you?

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Speaker 7: Where do I start?

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Speaker 9: I've written a bit of a list. Sammy Maxwell, the

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Speaker 12: Good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 3: So our first film This Morning doesn't actually hit cinemas

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Speaker 6: But look, she just takes on this character of clear.

438
00:23:25,733 --> 00:23:27,893
Speaker 6: She's a hairdresser or a divorcee and mother of two.

439
00:23:28,013 --> 00:23:31,093
Speaker 6: She's prone to a bout some depression. It's music that

440
00:23:31,173 --> 00:23:33,933
Speaker 6: keeps her grounded and happy. And this is actually based

441
00:23:33,973 --> 00:23:35,653
Speaker 6: on a true story. So it's based on a true

442
00:23:35,653 --> 00:23:38,373
Speaker 6: story of there's two people who meet at the Wisconsin

443
00:23:38,533 --> 00:23:42,173
Speaker 6: State Fair in the eighties. The costumes are fantastic and

444
00:23:42,173 --> 00:23:46,133
Speaker 6: the hairstyles are fantastic. They meet and they're both performers.

445
00:23:46,213 --> 00:23:49,173
Speaker 6: They kind of work. They do the circuit, you know,

446
00:23:49,293 --> 00:23:52,253
Speaker 6: performing as different artists and things, sort of the impersonation

447
00:23:52,573 --> 00:23:55,773
Speaker 6: sort of sec They meet and they fall in love

448
00:23:55,893 --> 00:23:58,093
Speaker 6: and they've both got a lot of baggage. There's sort

449
00:23:58,133 --> 00:24:00,333
Speaker 6: of you know, I don't know, late forties, eighty fifties

450
00:24:00,373 --> 00:24:03,253
Speaker 6: or something, and they've got their baggage in their lives

451
00:24:03,253 --> 00:24:05,773
Speaker 6: and they come together and it's this beautiful love story

452
00:24:06,173 --> 00:24:10,053
Speaker 6: and they decide to sort of create the Meal Diamond experience,

453
00:24:10,093 --> 00:24:13,133
Speaker 6: and they start to really take off in Milwaukee, and

454
00:24:13,613 --> 00:24:16,693
Speaker 6: they even are asked to open for Pearl Jam, which

455
00:24:16,733 --> 00:24:20,893
Speaker 6: is hilarious because they you know, Jackman's character does makes

456
00:24:20,933 --> 00:24:22,693
Speaker 6: you know who pel Jam is much doesn't know who

457
00:24:22,693 --> 00:24:25,653
Speaker 6: pel Jam is anyway. So there's this wonderful story, but

458
00:24:25,733 --> 00:24:27,533
Speaker 6: they deal with a lot of tragedy. They deal with

459
00:24:27,573 --> 00:24:31,013
Speaker 6: some crazy things which happened, which you kind of watching

460
00:24:31,053 --> 00:24:33,853
Speaker 6: the film going really did this happen? But it did

461
00:24:33,933 --> 00:24:36,453
Speaker 6: all happen, and so they have a lot of highs

462
00:24:36,493 --> 00:24:39,413
Speaker 6: and lows, and so sort of we follow this love

463
00:24:39,493 --> 00:24:43,493
Speaker 6: story as an unfold. This is a film that will

464
00:24:43,493 --> 00:24:46,013
Speaker 6: have you laughing, it will have you singing, It will

465
00:24:46,013 --> 00:24:47,413
Speaker 6: probably have you crying.

466
00:24:47,853 --> 00:24:49,853
Speaker 13: But at the end of the day, they do a really.

467
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Speaker 6: Nice job of making it a rousing crowd pleaser as

468
00:24:52,493 --> 00:24:54,013
Speaker 6: well as a bit of a tear jerky you know,

469
00:24:54,093 --> 00:24:56,493
Speaker 6: and you can't help but sing along. I took my

470
00:24:56,533 --> 00:24:59,453
Speaker 6: sixteen year old daughter who totally tolerated the Neil Diamond

471
00:24:59,493 --> 00:25:01,493
Speaker 6: and loved it and got into it. But of course

472
00:25:01,533 --> 00:25:04,333
Speaker 6: this is I think has probably aimed more at my

473
00:25:04,453 --> 00:25:05,293
Speaker 6: mother's generation.

474
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Speaker 15: She's gonna I like that.

475
00:25:07,173 --> 00:25:09,853
Speaker 3: Okay, that was my question, because if I'm one hundred

476
00:25:09,893 --> 00:25:13,853
Speaker 3: percent honest with you, I'm not a huge Neil Diamond fan.

477
00:25:14,293 --> 00:25:16,213
Speaker 3: It's just a bit on the nose for me, you know.

478
00:25:16,413 --> 00:25:19,133
Speaker 3: And so yeah, just a little bit on the nose

479
00:25:19,173 --> 00:25:21,573
Speaker 3: for me. But look, each to their own, you know.

480
00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:23,693
Speaker 12: I kind of grew hot.

481
00:25:23,733 --> 00:25:25,653
Speaker 6: August Night was kind of the background to my very

482
00:25:25,693 --> 00:25:28,653
Speaker 6: early childhood, so I've kind of got a fondness for it.

483
00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:30,573
Speaker 6: But look, their performances are great, and as I say,

484
00:25:30,733 --> 00:25:33,573
Speaker 6: this is a film about hope, about following your dreams

485
00:25:33,573 --> 00:25:35,453
Speaker 6: no matter what age you are, Like, there's a lot

486
00:25:35,493 --> 00:25:37,813
Speaker 6: more to it, so, you know, but there is a

487
00:25:37,813 --> 00:25:38,533
Speaker 6: lot of Neil Dimes.

488
00:25:38,653 --> 00:25:41,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, Okay, this morning, No, But I mean,

489
00:25:41,533 --> 00:25:43,213
Speaker 3: like I can, I can lean into the feel good

490
00:25:43,213 --> 00:25:46,213
Speaker 3: side of things as well. But good to know, thank you.

491
00:25:46,253 --> 00:25:49,533
Speaker 3: So that song sung Blue, that hits cinemas on January first,

492
00:25:49,573 --> 00:25:54,093
Speaker 3: stars Kate Hudson and Hugh Jackman. Next up, hitting cinemas.

493
00:25:54,093 --> 00:25:56,613
Speaker 3: I think on Boxing Day this year the twenty sixth

494
00:25:56,773 --> 00:25:58,173
Speaker 3: tell us about my brother's band.

495
00:25:59,293 --> 00:26:01,293
Speaker 6: So this is a French film. It was a huge

496
00:26:01,373 --> 00:26:05,013
Speaker 6: hit in France. It was nominated for seven is Our Awards.

497
00:26:05,053 --> 00:26:07,813
Speaker 6: It follows two brothers who was operated when they were

498
00:26:07,933 --> 00:26:10,893
Speaker 6: just babies and they're reunited as adults and they kind

499
00:26:10,893 --> 00:26:12,893
Speaker 6: of managed to reunite through music. There's a bit of

500
00:26:12,893 --> 00:26:16,173
Speaker 6: a theme with my films today. This is also a

501
00:26:16,293 --> 00:26:19,213
Speaker 6: very charming, crowd pleaser. It does deal with some quite

502
00:26:19,373 --> 00:26:24,173
Speaker 6: deep themes, but look, the film doesn't delve into them

503
00:26:24,453 --> 00:26:27,893
Speaker 6: really deeply enough to turn this into a heavy experience.

504
00:26:28,733 --> 00:26:32,293
Speaker 6: Director Emmanuel Cocole has very much kind of tried to

505
00:26:33,573 --> 00:26:36,973
Speaker 6: sort of present this story with a lightness to it.

506
00:26:37,973 --> 00:26:40,453
Speaker 6: We have this wonderful character, Tibo, and here's a world

507
00:26:40,533 --> 00:26:43,933
Speaker 6: famous conductor. He comes from a very well to do family.

508
00:26:44,413 --> 00:26:46,333
Speaker 6: At the beginning of the film, he discovers he has

509
00:26:46,413 --> 00:26:49,333
Speaker 6: leukena he needs a bone marrow transplant. Then he discovers

510
00:26:49,373 --> 00:26:51,693
Speaker 6: his family is not his family and that he was adopted.

511
00:26:51,973 --> 00:26:54,653
Speaker 6: He discovers he has a younger brother, Jimmy, and he

512
00:26:54,733 --> 00:26:57,813
Speaker 6: goes and asked him for help to get a transplant.

513
00:26:57,853 --> 00:27:00,733
Speaker 6: Now this all happens very quickly, and then we kind

514
00:27:00,733 --> 00:27:03,013
Speaker 6: of move on from this scenario. This is a setup,

515
00:27:03,373 --> 00:27:07,773
Speaker 6: and the majority of the film was spoken on getting

516
00:27:08,613 --> 00:27:11,333
Speaker 6: to know that these two characters, getting to know each

517
00:27:11,333 --> 00:27:14,413
Speaker 6: other and navigating how to be in each other's lives

518
00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:19,093
Speaker 6: and accepting their fate. So Tipo, he ended up in

519
00:27:19,093 --> 00:27:21,373
Speaker 6: a very well to do family. He had all the

520
00:27:21,413 --> 00:27:23,413
Speaker 6: opportunities in the world, and he's now the school of

521
00:27:23,413 --> 00:27:27,653
Speaker 6: famous director. His brother, who also has pitch perfect hearing

522
00:27:28,213 --> 00:27:31,013
Speaker 6: and has also very musical, lives in this very small

523
00:27:31,093 --> 00:27:33,693
Speaker 6: industrial town and has quite a different life, and so

524
00:27:33,773 --> 00:27:36,293
Speaker 6: the two of them have to sort of reconcile how

525
00:27:37,013 --> 00:27:40,853
Speaker 6: some adults made a decision which impacted their lives so differently.

526
00:27:41,933 --> 00:27:43,933
Speaker 6: It's kind of a little bit it's been described a

527
00:27:43,933 --> 00:27:47,293
Speaker 6: little bit as a French as a French version.

528
00:27:47,013 --> 00:27:48,133
Speaker 8: Of brass Off.

529
00:27:48,653 --> 00:27:51,293
Speaker 6: It's a film about how music unites us and things,

530
00:27:51,293 --> 00:27:54,853
Speaker 6: but it's another crowd pleaser that might just bring a

531
00:27:54,853 --> 00:27:56,493
Speaker 6: little tear to their eye as well.

532
00:27:56,573 --> 00:27:59,333
Speaker 3: Oh very good, Okay, cool, So that's my brother's band

533
00:27:59,493 --> 00:28:03,373
Speaker 3: that hits cinemas on December twenty sixth. Francisca's first pick

534
00:28:03,413 --> 00:28:06,293
Speaker 3: for US this weekend was Song Sung Blue that is

535
00:28:06,453 --> 00:28:09,253
Speaker 3: in cinemas on January first. All of the details for

536
00:28:09,293 --> 00:28:11,453
Speaker 3: those movies will be on the news Talks website. Have

537
00:28:11,453 --> 00:28:14,333
Speaker 3: a fantastic summer, Francisco. You're going to be going on

538
00:28:14,373 --> 00:28:16,133
Speaker 3: some ridiculous ultra marathon or something.

539
00:28:16,173 --> 00:28:23,453
Speaker 6: Knowing you No, Jack got Dodgy, n Oh, I'm living

540
00:28:23,533 --> 00:28:26,733
Speaker 6: the adventures till a little later in next year. No,

541
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Speaker 6: but merry Christmas to you.

542
00:28:28,093 --> 00:28:30,213
Speaker 13: I hope you have a lovely times family.

543
00:28:30,293 --> 00:28:33,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, you too, Thank you so much. Francesca Francisca Rudkin

544
00:28:33,173 --> 00:28:35,213
Speaker 3: with her film picks for us this weekend. Don't forget

545
00:28:35,253 --> 00:28:38,933
Speaker 3: after ten o'clock if you are feeling like actually you

546
00:28:39,013 --> 00:28:41,813
Speaker 3: just cannot be bothered getting off the couch this weekend.

547
00:28:42,493 --> 00:28:45,093
Speaker 3: We've got screen time picks for this weekend. That's when

548
00:28:45,093 --> 00:28:47,933
Speaker 3: we get three shows to watch or stream at home.

549
00:28:47,973 --> 00:28:49,653
Speaker 3: We're going to tell you about the new season of

550
00:28:49,733 --> 00:28:52,893
Speaker 3: The Pit. This had so much hype. The first season

551
00:28:52,933 --> 00:28:54,573
Speaker 3: of The Pit had so much hype. People said it

552
00:28:54,653 --> 00:28:58,853
Speaker 3: was the most realistic medical drama in many, many years.

553
00:28:58,893 --> 00:29:00,933
Speaker 3: It has a bit of an er kind of vibe,

554
00:29:00,933 --> 00:29:04,413
Speaker 3: but it's really realistic and can be pretty harrowing at times.

555
00:29:04,413 --> 00:29:06,293
Speaker 3: So we're going to tell you about the new season

556
00:29:06,453 --> 00:29:09,173
Speaker 3: the Pit in our screen time segment after ten this morning.

557
00:29:09,333 --> 00:29:10,733
Speaker 3: Right now, it's seventeen to ten.

558
00:29:12,013 --> 00:29:15,853
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack Team keeping the conversation going through

559
00:29:15,853 --> 00:29:18,453
Speaker 1: the weekend US talk a.

560
00:29:18,493 --> 00:29:21,333
Speaker 3: Ten on newst Be Nicki Wecks is our cooksies with

561
00:29:21,413 --> 00:29:26,293
Speaker 3: us this morning. Good morning, Oh yes, good morning. You

562
00:29:26,333 --> 00:29:28,653
Speaker 3: were close. So close, it's so close, it's so close.

563
00:29:28,653 --> 00:29:31,213
Speaker 3: So well, do your Christmas dessert. We've got your fantastic

564
00:29:31,293 --> 00:29:33,733
Speaker 3: sounding Christmas dissert and I've seen the photo already. My gosh,

565
00:29:33,773 --> 00:29:38,213
Speaker 3: it looks infudible, it looks so good. Very quickly, do

566
00:29:38,213 --> 00:29:40,573
Speaker 3: you have some top like Christmas tips for the main

567
00:29:40,653 --> 00:29:43,133
Speaker 3: dish if you're doing a turkey, any top tips? So

568
00:29:43,253 --> 00:29:48,213
Speaker 3: I've got one and that's embraced the bag. Don't be yeah,

569
00:29:48,693 --> 00:29:51,093
Speaker 3: don't be embarrassed about doing in a roasting bag. Honestly,

570
00:29:51,213 --> 00:29:52,453
Speaker 3: keep those juices in, you know.

571
00:29:52,773 --> 00:29:55,813
Speaker 13: Yeah, embrace the bag unless you will be food ed.

572
00:29:55,893 --> 00:29:58,133
Speaker 13: For New Zealand Woman's Weekly and you embrace the bag

573
00:29:58,173 --> 00:30:00,093
Speaker 13: one year for the photo shoot, and of course it's

574
00:30:00,133 --> 00:30:03,213
Speaker 13: so beautifully falling apart that it ended up to be

575
00:30:03,213 --> 00:30:08,293
Speaker 13: a turkey platter that year for those that so, yes,

576
00:30:08,333 --> 00:30:10,253
Speaker 13: I think that's a great idea. If you can't quite

577
00:30:10,253 --> 00:30:13,933
Speaker 13: embrace the bag, what I recommend you do is certainly

578
00:30:14,013 --> 00:30:16,533
Speaker 13: cock its breast side up. But then once you have

579
00:30:16,573 --> 00:30:19,693
Speaker 13: finished cooking it, turn it over and then all the

580
00:30:19,773 --> 00:30:22,493
Speaker 13: juices while you're resting it will run into the breast

581
00:30:22,533 --> 00:30:26,373
Speaker 13: and you'll have a much less dry situation. It is

582
00:30:26,373 --> 00:30:28,453
Speaker 13: a tricky one a turkey, buy a small one as

583
00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:31,493
Speaker 13: my other thing, and my number one tip is do

584
00:30:31,613 --> 00:30:34,453
Speaker 13: as much as you can in preparation beforehand, and I

585
00:30:34,493 --> 00:30:38,013
Speaker 13: mean good. You know that's what chefs do. They prep, prep,

586
00:30:38,093 --> 00:30:40,853
Speaker 13: prep for ages. You know restaurants have their first guests

587
00:30:40,893 --> 00:30:43,173
Speaker 13: at say six pm. Well they don't tune up at

588
00:30:43,173 --> 00:30:45,693
Speaker 13: five o'clock to do that. They are more like five

589
00:30:45,733 --> 00:30:48,613
Speaker 13: am in the morning. So yeah, just prep everything, which

590
00:30:48,653 --> 00:30:51,733
Speaker 13: is really lovely, and don't stress because it's Christmas and

591
00:30:51,933 --> 00:30:55,533
Speaker 13: who cares. Maybe don't drink too much, I mean think

592
00:30:55,573 --> 00:30:58,093
Speaker 13: of the beer. Don't get too sloshed if you're the

593
00:30:58,093 --> 00:31:03,733
Speaker 13: main cook, yes for that or anyone really, if you're

594
00:31:03,773 --> 00:31:08,213
Speaker 13: a guessed exactly maintains Maybe take your decorum, people.

595
00:31:08,173 --> 00:31:10,573
Speaker 3: I reckon that's a good that's a good piece of advice, though,

596
00:31:10,653 --> 00:31:13,293
Speaker 3: I mean the drinking is in moderation is always good advice.

597
00:31:13,333 --> 00:31:17,653
Speaker 3: But they don't don't care too much. Like Christmas, A

598
00:31:17,693 --> 00:31:20,733
Speaker 3: good Christmas is not decided by the quality of the turkey,

599
00:31:20,853 --> 00:31:23,853
Speaker 3: you know, but likely it's sure, it might be a

600
00:31:23,853 --> 00:31:26,853
Speaker 3: little component. But you know, if you're if you're eating

601
00:31:26,933 --> 00:31:29,573
Speaker 3: cheese toasties on Christmas Day, if the company's good and

602
00:31:29,613 --> 00:31:31,613
Speaker 3: the band is good, that it's always going.

603
00:31:31,573 --> 00:31:35,053
Speaker 13: To be exactly. And gravy fixes everything exactly, and whipped

604
00:31:35,053 --> 00:31:38,693
Speaker 13: cream fixes everything, so you're okay, right, So I've got

605
00:31:38,933 --> 00:31:40,853
Speaker 13: a peach and berry trifle cake.

606
00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:41,173
Speaker 11: Now.

607
00:31:41,733 --> 00:31:43,733
Speaker 13: I love a trifle so much so that I put

608
00:31:43,773 --> 00:31:46,293
Speaker 13: it in the newspaper last week as an option for Christmas.

609
00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:49,293
Speaker 13: And I do love a trifle, a traditional trifle, but

610
00:31:49,333 --> 00:31:54,453
Speaker 13: there was something slightly slightly clumsy about scooping something out

611
00:31:54,493 --> 00:31:57,093
Speaker 13: of a bowl. I always think, So this trifle cake,

612
00:31:57,173 --> 00:32:00,653
Speaker 13: an actual fact is you know you'll have elegant slices

613
00:32:00,693 --> 00:32:03,133
Speaker 13: of this, and so I kind of love that, and

614
00:32:03,173 --> 00:32:05,173
Speaker 13: it's and it's super easy. So I used to all

615
00:32:05,213 --> 00:32:07,613
Speaker 13: board trifle sponges. You knock yourself out if you'd like

616
00:32:07,653 --> 00:32:11,013
Speaker 13: to make your own trip responge. That's fine, but you

617
00:32:11,053 --> 00:32:13,093
Speaker 13: know it is not the time for making life harder

618
00:32:13,093 --> 00:32:17,133
Speaker 13: for ourselves. Get its spring form tin. This feeds about

619
00:32:17,173 --> 00:32:19,853
Speaker 13: ten to twelve, so twenty to twenty two seems to

620
00:32:19,853 --> 00:32:21,693
Speaker 13: me to spring form tin. That's the one that the

621
00:32:21,693 --> 00:32:23,973
Speaker 13: bottoms come out of. If you can, If you haven't,

622
00:32:24,013 --> 00:32:26,093
Speaker 13: just layer it up with baking paper so you can

623
00:32:26,293 --> 00:32:29,413
Speaker 13: lift this whole thing out. Put a double layer of

624
00:32:29,413 --> 00:32:32,173
Speaker 13: baking paper around it, and so that it comes up

625
00:32:32,293 --> 00:32:34,653
Speaker 13: above the rim of the cake tin. Okay, so you've

626
00:32:34,853 --> 00:32:37,573
Speaker 13: got what we call a chef's caller a collar on it.

627
00:32:38,013 --> 00:32:40,653
Speaker 13: That sounds difficult, but it's not. Cut one of your

628
00:32:40,653 --> 00:32:42,733
Speaker 13: sponges through the middle, so that you've now got one

629
00:32:42,773 --> 00:32:45,413
Speaker 13: thick sponge and two thin ones, and cut them to

630
00:32:45,573 --> 00:32:48,253
Speaker 13: the shape of your tin. I if you bought square

631
00:32:48,293 --> 00:32:50,893
Speaker 13: trifle sponges, you're gonna have to round them off. Place

632
00:32:50,933 --> 00:32:52,973
Speaker 13: the thick sponge in the base of the cake tin.

633
00:32:53,053 --> 00:32:55,893
Speaker 13: So it's very much. This is an assembly, which is great.

634
00:32:55,973 --> 00:32:58,493
Speaker 13: Rather than a book. Drizzle with a third of a

635
00:32:58,533 --> 00:33:00,933
Speaker 13: cup or third of about twenty five meals of sherry.

636
00:33:00,973 --> 00:33:03,693
Speaker 13: Sprinkle that over there. Then spoon over a layer of

637
00:33:03,813 --> 00:33:06,773
Speaker 13: custard I buy not an ad but I like it

638
00:33:06,893 --> 00:33:11,173
Speaker 13: is the meadow fresh, thick and creamy. It only comes

639
00:33:11,253 --> 00:33:13,813
Speaker 13: in the big containers, so you'll buy that, but it's

640
00:33:13,853 --> 00:33:18,413
Speaker 13: better than the thinny one. Top this with some peach slices.

641
00:33:18,613 --> 00:33:20,893
Speaker 13: You're going to use about two cups of peach slices.

642
00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:23,413
Speaker 13: Tins will do, but at the moment, the peaches are

643
00:33:23,453 --> 00:33:26,733
Speaker 13: pretty blooming grate. So slice some of those up perps

644
00:33:26,733 --> 00:33:28,373
Speaker 13: and squeeze a little bit of lemon juice over them,

645
00:33:28,413 --> 00:33:30,013
Speaker 13: which will kind of mush them up a little bit,

646
00:33:30,013 --> 00:33:34,173
Speaker 13: which is what we want, and arrange those on top

647
00:33:34,213 --> 00:33:37,533
Speaker 13: of your sponge. Scatter over a third of the raspberries. Again,

648
00:33:37,613 --> 00:33:39,813
Speaker 13: you're going to use about a punet of raspberries in

649
00:33:39,813 --> 00:33:43,253
Speaker 13: this recipe and a punnet of blueberries for the top.

650
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Speaker 13: But use a third of your ras. We squish them

651
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Speaker 13: a little bit. Jack you could use strawberries so that

652
00:33:48,053 --> 00:33:50,613
Speaker 13: they kind of bleed into the custard filling and the sponge.

653
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Speaker 12: I love that.

654
00:33:51,693 --> 00:33:53,693
Speaker 13: Add a second layer of the sponge. This time you're

655
00:33:53,813 --> 00:33:55,973
Speaker 13: using a thin layer because you've cut one of them

656
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Speaker 13: and you know through the middle and repeat. Sherry custard, fruit,

657
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Speaker 13: cherry custard fruit top with the final layer of a

658
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Speaker 13: sherry of sherry soaked sponge. Press it down quite a

659
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Speaker 13: little bit firmly, and I use a little dinner plate

660
00:34:09,373 --> 00:34:11,253
Speaker 13: that can't sit on that, and you really do want

661
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Speaker 13: to chill it overnight, so just pop that and if

662
00:34:13,813 --> 00:34:16,053
Speaker 13: you put a dinner plate on top of it, it'll

663
00:34:16,053 --> 00:34:18,813
Speaker 13: be safe in the fridge. Just before serving, spoon over

664
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Speaker 13: clouds of lovely whipped cream, some slivid almonds for that

665
00:34:23,613 --> 00:34:26,733
Speaker 13: lovely crunch, and then some blueberries. And I really encourage

666
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Speaker 13: that you take the time to cut some of the

667
00:34:28,213 --> 00:34:30,213
Speaker 13: blueberries as well as leaving some of them a whole.

668
00:34:30,453 --> 00:34:33,933
Speaker 13: They're quite fun to cut in half they look pretty,

669
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Speaker 13: and the remaining raspberries that you'll have, and then dust

670
00:34:37,293 --> 00:34:39,653
Speaker 13: the whole thing with icing sugar just before serving. And

671
00:34:39,693 --> 00:34:43,533
Speaker 13: it is an absolute glory of a dessert. And our

672
00:34:43,653 --> 00:34:46,333
Speaker 13: beautiful listeners can have a look at that photograph online,

673
00:34:46,333 --> 00:34:50,133
Speaker 13: but it's just beautiful. If you've got kids, you can

674
00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:53,413
Speaker 13: use orange juice instead of sherry, or you can just

675
00:34:53,453 --> 00:34:55,293
Speaker 13: pretend you're in Europe and the kids.

676
00:34:55,053 --> 00:35:00,733
Speaker 3: Get exactly yes, yes, I love that. Some slightly conflicting

677
00:35:00,773 --> 00:35:03,133
Speaker 3: messages this morning when it comes to drinking a moderation

678
00:35:03,173 --> 00:35:03,773
Speaker 3: from Nicky.

679
00:35:04,253 --> 00:35:07,453
Speaker 13: About that exactly, Yeah, don't drink all start um.

680
00:35:07,493 --> 00:35:12,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. But there's the critical thing there. So,

681
00:35:13,293 --> 00:35:16,813
Speaker 3: in continuing the theme of getting organized early prep prep prep,

682
00:35:18,213 --> 00:35:21,533
Speaker 3: you need anytime you're doing anything involving trifle, you want

683
00:35:21,573 --> 00:35:23,133
Speaker 3: to let it sit for a while, right, So it

684
00:35:23,213 --> 00:35:25,493
Speaker 3: kind of like that's the creative part.

685
00:35:25,613 --> 00:35:28,453
Speaker 13: Yeah, you can even do this late on Tuesday if

686
00:35:28,453 --> 00:35:30,613
Speaker 13: you wanted to. Yeah, if you want the day before.

687
00:35:30,653 --> 00:35:32,813
Speaker 13: You know, it's gonna be fine. This cake, it's going

688
00:35:32,853 --> 00:35:34,853
Speaker 13: to hold up. Remember we did a nice thick glare

689
00:35:34,933 --> 00:35:37,573
Speaker 13: on the bottom, so that's still going to be fine.

690
00:35:37,853 --> 00:35:40,413
Speaker 3: And if you're bringing it out for dessert, if you

691
00:35:40,813 --> 00:35:43,613
Speaker 3: are saying doing dessert an hour and a half after

692
00:35:43,613 --> 00:35:46,573
Speaker 3: you're doing the mains, would you pull us out as

693
00:35:46,613 --> 00:35:48,853
Speaker 3: you're serving the turkey of the ham, just to give

694
00:35:48,853 --> 00:35:49,653
Speaker 3: it a bit of time.

695
00:35:49,493 --> 00:35:54,413
Speaker 13: To maybe okay, kind of nice about it, a bit

696
00:35:54,693 --> 00:35:57,213
Speaker 13: chilly pool on the palette, you know what I mean.

697
00:35:57,573 --> 00:35:59,453
Speaker 13: That's a very good question, Jack Taane, But no, i'd

698
00:35:59,453 --> 00:36:00,413
Speaker 13: probably act leave.

699
00:36:00,333 --> 00:36:03,613
Speaker 3: It in there because got a lot of dessert related questions. Yeah,

700
00:36:03,653 --> 00:36:03,973
Speaker 3: that's all.

701
00:36:03,973 --> 00:36:05,693
Speaker 13: Right, What are you going to have what are you

702
00:36:05,693 --> 00:36:06,373
Speaker 13: gonna have for dessert?

703
00:36:06,453 --> 00:36:09,813
Speaker 3: Well, see, my mom is just oh no, she's just

704
00:36:10,013 --> 00:36:11,853
Speaker 3: My mum is such an amazing cook and she just

705
00:36:11,893 --> 00:36:14,933
Speaker 3: goes so hard every Christmas. So we have all sorts

706
00:36:14,933 --> 00:36:16,773
Speaker 3: of Christmas baking. Although there has been a bit of

707
00:36:16,773 --> 00:36:18,773
Speaker 3: a disaster. I'm going to read to you direct from

708
00:36:18,773 --> 00:36:22,213
Speaker 3: the Tame family WhatsApp chat last night. So yes, he's

709
00:36:22,213 --> 00:36:27,813
Speaker 3: a mom, says savory puff pastry incorrectly labeled as short

710
00:36:27,813 --> 00:36:31,333
Speaker 3: crust pastry, two dozen mince pies, and then she moves

711
00:36:31,333 --> 00:36:36,933
Speaker 3: to capitals and says disaster. So I'm sure for you, Well,

712
00:36:37,013 --> 00:36:38,933
Speaker 3: I'm sure that things are actually okay knowing here. So

713
00:36:40,573 --> 00:36:43,813
Speaker 3: we'll have Christmas mince pies, we'll have shortcake, we'll have

714
00:36:43,893 --> 00:36:46,733
Speaker 3: Russian fudge. All of this is homemade. We have we'll

715
00:36:46,733 --> 00:36:50,333
Speaker 3: have my mum's famous Christmas cake. And for Christmas dessert,

716
00:36:50,693 --> 00:36:52,613
Speaker 3: I don't know, but my mum has a real thing

717
00:36:52,653 --> 00:36:55,773
Speaker 3: with tradition in which she makes a traditional Christmas pudding

718
00:36:55,933 --> 00:36:57,773
Speaker 3: which she brings out to the table and lights on

719
00:36:57,853 --> 00:37:02,653
Speaker 3: fire in dramatic style. Yeah, and hidden inside are old

720
00:37:02,973 --> 00:37:07,213
Speaker 3: silver coins. Oh, I love it. It's a real We're

721
00:37:07,213 --> 00:37:09,573
Speaker 3: turning back the hands of you know, like Florin's and

722
00:37:09,613 --> 00:37:11,573
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. You know, I love it.

723
00:37:11,653 --> 00:37:12,613
Speaker 13: I love it.

724
00:37:12,693 --> 00:37:14,533
Speaker 3: Well, be careful when you take a bite though, because

725
00:37:14,533 --> 00:37:15,773
Speaker 3: you get that can end in you do.

726
00:37:15,973 --> 00:37:18,453
Speaker 13: And look, because you're you're an uncle and a dad,

727
00:37:18,493 --> 00:37:20,213
Speaker 13: now you can do this. So this is a this

728
00:37:20,293 --> 00:37:23,533
Speaker 13: is a Wix family tradition. We also have the pudding

729
00:37:23,573 --> 00:37:26,333
Speaker 13: with the coins in it. We also we have current

730
00:37:26,453 --> 00:37:28,573
Speaker 13: coins we boil because that's more fun for the kids

731
00:37:28,613 --> 00:37:32,013
Speaker 13: to go and speak. And my granddad and then my uncle,

732
00:37:32,373 --> 00:37:34,373
Speaker 13: well then my dad usually and then one of us

733
00:37:34,413 --> 00:37:37,493
Speaker 13: girls now does this. We it's a bit gross, so

734
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Speaker 13: prepare yourself. But you fold up like a ten or

735
00:37:40,333 --> 00:37:43,653
Speaker 13: a twenty dollars note, and at some point you sneak

736
00:37:43,693 --> 00:37:46,693
Speaker 13: into your mouth, just ever so quickly because you don't

737
00:37:46,693 --> 00:37:49,413
Speaker 13: want really that in your mouth. And then then you

738
00:37:49,453 --> 00:37:52,333
Speaker 13: start coughing at the table and everyone's like.

739
00:37:52,373 --> 00:37:53,013
Speaker 11: Oh my god.

740
00:37:53,813 --> 00:37:56,333
Speaker 12: Yeah, and then you pull this out and you should

741
00:37:56,373 --> 00:37:57,013
Speaker 12: see the kids.

742
00:37:57,093 --> 00:38:00,253
Speaker 13: Oh great, okay, so you found that in the pudding.

743
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Speaker 3: So that you go fantastic. Thank you so much. Nick.

744
00:38:02,733 --> 00:38:05,853
Speaker 3: You have your wonderful Christmas catch you get very soon six.

745
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Speaker 1: To ten, giving you the inside scoop on the ball

746
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Speaker 1: you need to know. Saturday Morning with Jack Team Newstalgs eDV.

747
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Speaker 3: Right, So, if you are looking to make Nikki's amazing

748
00:38:19,173 --> 00:38:22,773
Speaker 3: sounding and even more amazing looking peach and buried trifle cake,

749
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Speaker 3: we'll make sure that recipes on the news talk z'db website.

750
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Speaker 3: If my mother is listening this morning, please there is

751
00:38:27,533 --> 00:38:30,573
Speaker 3: no expectation that you make all of those things. I

752
00:38:30,613 --> 00:38:32,453
Speaker 3: know how much you love Christmas baking. You know how

753
00:38:32,493 --> 00:38:34,733
Speaker 3: much we love your Christmas baking, but please, we would

754
00:38:34,773 --> 00:38:36,733
Speaker 3: love for you just to have some chill time over

755
00:38:36,813 --> 00:38:39,693
Speaker 3: Christmas as well. After ten o'clock this morning, we've got

756
00:38:39,733 --> 00:38:42,253
Speaker 3: your screen time picks for this week, and our feature

757
00:38:42,293 --> 00:38:45,933
Speaker 3: interview is Bozama Saint John. She's had all sorts of

758
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Speaker 3: high flying, glitzy jobs at some of the world's best

759
00:38:49,093 --> 00:38:52,213
Speaker 3: known companies, but she's thrown it into become a reality

760
00:38:52,373 --> 00:38:55,813
Speaker 3: TV star. She is one of the stars of the

761
00:38:55,813 --> 00:39:00,093
Speaker 3: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So why would you sign

762
00:39:00,173 --> 00:39:02,933
Speaker 3: up for that? News is next. It's almost ten o'clock.

763
00:39:03,013 --> 00:39:05,173
Speaker 3: I'm Jack Tame. This is News Dogs.

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Speaker 1: eDV, cracking way to start your Saturday. Saturday Morning with

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Speaker 1: Jack Tame youth talks at the.

766
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Speaker 3: Joe and he's healing. Good morning, you were Jack Tame

767
00:39:41,973 --> 00:39:45,253
Speaker 3: for our final Saturday Morning together of twenty twenty five.

768
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Speaker 3: You would have to say The Real Housewives of Beverley

769
00:39:49,293 --> 00:39:52,493
Speaker 3: Hills is one of, if not the most iconic reality

770
00:39:52,773 --> 00:39:56,133
Speaker 3: TV franchise. It's now back for its fifteenth season, and

771
00:39:56,173 --> 00:39:59,173
Speaker 3: there is perhaps no housewife in history that has a heftier,

772
00:39:59,613 --> 00:40:04,373
Speaker 3: more prestigious TV than that of Bozamas. Saint John Bows

773
00:40:04,573 --> 00:40:06,933
Speaker 3: joined the series last year of the back of a

774
00:40:07,053 --> 00:40:10,573
Speaker 3: twenty year run as a marketing executive working with brands

775
00:40:10,653 --> 00:40:14,773
Speaker 3: like Apple, Netflix, Uber, and Pepsi. She's been recognized by

776
00:40:14,933 --> 00:40:19,413
Speaker 3: Forbes as the world's number one most influential chief marketing officer.

777
00:40:19,893 --> 00:40:22,453
Speaker 3: She quickly became a fan favorite after joining the show

778
00:40:22,573 --> 00:40:26,533
Speaker 3: for her ability to bring boardroom realness to the drama

779
00:40:26,653 --> 00:40:28,853
Speaker 3: of the nine zero two one zero and Bose is

780
00:40:28,893 --> 00:40:31,573
Speaker 3: back for season fifteen and is with us this morning,

781
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Speaker 3: killed her Good morning.

782
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Speaker 12: Good morning.

783
00:40:34,413 --> 00:40:38,493
Speaker 3: You have had an extraordinary career, all of these big

784
00:40:38,613 --> 00:40:41,213
Speaker 3: jobs and all of these big companies. So why on

785
00:40:41,293 --> 00:40:43,333
Speaker 3: earth after all of that did you decide you want

786
00:40:43,413 --> 00:40:45,053
Speaker 3: to be a real housewife?

787
00:40:45,893 --> 00:40:47,893
Speaker 12: Well, because that's also part of my reality.

788
00:40:48,133 --> 00:40:51,653
Speaker 16: You know, there are so many women like me who

789
00:40:51,773 --> 00:40:55,453
Speaker 16: have had corporate jobs who have you know, done their

790
00:40:55,533 --> 00:40:58,973
Speaker 16: best to try and get promoted and have sometimes you know,

791
00:40:59,093 --> 00:41:01,813
Speaker 16: had challenges in it, have learned a lot of life lessons,

792
00:41:02,053 --> 00:41:06,653
Speaker 16: also balancing motherhood, also balancing wafefood. Also maybe have lost

793
00:41:06,653 --> 00:41:09,613
Speaker 16: a husband, you know, not necessarily the way I did,

794
00:41:09,693 --> 00:41:13,053
Speaker 16: but through divorce and what else. So I felt it

795
00:41:13,093 --> 00:41:16,373
Speaker 16: was really important to represent, you know, that type of

796
00:41:16,413 --> 00:41:19,453
Speaker 16: woman on this type of show because you know, I

797
00:41:19,493 --> 00:41:22,533
Speaker 16: think women who are like me in their late forties

798
00:41:22,533 --> 00:41:25,653
Speaker 16: early fifties also deserve a little bit of love, you know,

799
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Speaker 16: especially from storytelling.

800
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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, So how do you think that business experience

801
00:41:32,133 --> 00:41:33,653
Speaker 3: helped prepare you for the show?

802
00:41:34,653 --> 00:41:34,813
Speaker 2: Oh?

803
00:41:34,893 --> 00:41:35,973
Speaker 12: I think in a lot of ways.

804
00:41:35,973 --> 00:41:39,293
Speaker 16: I mean, look, when you're a leader, especially of big

805
00:41:39,373 --> 00:41:42,213
Speaker 16: companies where you have a lot of people to work with,

806
00:41:42,533 --> 00:41:47,413
Speaker 16: you very quickly learn solutions, you know, especially conflict resolution

807
00:41:47,613 --> 00:41:53,093
Speaker 16: between people and communication is key, it is paramount, and

808
00:41:53,133 --> 00:41:54,893
Speaker 16: so you have to be clear, you have to be direct,

809
00:41:54,973 --> 00:41:57,373
Speaker 16: you have to give feedback quickly, you know, where people

810
00:41:57,413 --> 00:42:00,333
Speaker 16: can understand what you're saying and not misinterpreted. And so

811
00:42:00,453 --> 00:42:05,133
Speaker 16: that I think has been probably the best practice that

812
00:42:05,253 --> 00:42:10,133
Speaker 16: I've had in communicating with these women who have such

813
00:42:10,213 --> 00:42:14,133
Speaker 16: different backgrounds and who may not always understand my perspective

814
00:42:14,213 --> 00:42:17,053
Speaker 16: or where I'm coming from, and figuring out different ways

815
00:42:17,093 --> 00:42:19,533
Speaker 16: to communicate so that my message can land.

816
00:42:19,653 --> 00:42:21,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think you achieved that. I think that's

817
00:42:21,693 --> 00:42:24,053
Speaker 3: what fans loved about your Like you just come on

818
00:42:24,173 --> 00:42:26,653
Speaker 3: and you just straight to the point. Not I wouldn't

819
00:42:26,653 --> 00:42:29,653
Speaker 3: say rude, but just direct, And it's kind of refreshing

820
00:42:29,653 --> 00:42:33,493
Speaker 3: in that environment where so much communication is kind of

821
00:42:33,493 --> 00:42:36,933
Speaker 3: what is left unsaid or meaning behind different words, you

822
00:42:36,933 --> 00:42:37,453
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

823
00:42:38,173 --> 00:42:42,453
Speaker 16: That's exactly right, because what's unsaid is what frustrates me

824
00:42:43,053 --> 00:42:45,813
Speaker 16: about like soap operas, you know, because I'm literally like.

825
00:42:46,013 --> 00:42:49,453
Speaker 12: Why did you not just say that he is behind

826
00:42:49,493 --> 00:42:50,653
Speaker 12: the door? You know what I mean?

827
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Speaker 16: Like, now we've got three episodes left where everybody's trying

828
00:42:53,973 --> 00:42:55,493
Speaker 16: to figure out where he's at. You know what I'm like,

829
00:42:55,493 --> 00:42:56,773
Speaker 16: if you just said he was behind the door, you

830
00:42:56,773 --> 00:42:57,893
Speaker 16: guys can have solved this already.

831
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Speaker 12: Yeah.

832
00:42:58,213 --> 00:43:02,253
Speaker 16: So that's the feeling I have whenever I'm in conversations,

833
00:43:02,333 --> 00:43:04,813
Speaker 16: I'm like, hey, so what happened exactly? You know, what

834
00:43:04,933 --> 00:43:06,893
Speaker 16: is your opinion on this thing, and I just want

835
00:43:06,893 --> 00:43:07,613
Speaker 16: to know the information.

836
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Speaker 3: So you came in in the fourteenth season. Does that

837
00:43:10,293 --> 00:43:12,653
Speaker 3: mean that you had to binge watch the previous thirteen

838
00:43:12,733 --> 00:43:14,653
Speaker 3: seasons or had you been watching the whole way through?

839
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Speaker 16: No, you know what, I have to be honest, I

840
00:43:17,533 --> 00:43:20,373
Speaker 16: wasn't watching the whole way through, but I am a

841
00:43:20,373 --> 00:43:24,933
Speaker 16: fan of the Housewives franchises, and so there are other franchises.

842
00:43:24,333 --> 00:43:25,973
Speaker 12: That I have watched since the beginning.

843
00:43:26,573 --> 00:43:28,653
Speaker 16: But I also didn't want to come into this group

844
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Speaker 16: blind and so I absolutely watched the episodes. I made sure,

845
00:43:32,173 --> 00:43:34,533
Speaker 16: you know, that sort of cherry picked, just so I

846
00:43:34,533 --> 00:43:36,693
Speaker 16: could get a sense of who these women are and

847
00:43:37,213 --> 00:43:40,173
Speaker 16: what their backstories are and what their perspectives are before

848
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Speaker 16: I entered the room.

849
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Speaker 3: So, having done that, having done your research, having done

850
00:43:43,813 --> 00:43:45,853
Speaker 3: your homework, what surprised you about the show?

851
00:43:46,813 --> 00:43:48,333
Speaker 12: Oh man, so much?

852
00:43:48,653 --> 00:43:50,573
Speaker 16: First of all, you know, I think, like a lot

853
00:43:50,613 --> 00:43:55,013
Speaker 16: of people, I assumed that, I mean, this is kind

854
00:43:55,013 --> 00:43:58,293
Speaker 16: of rude to say, but that like some situations are manufactured. Yeah,

855
00:43:58,333 --> 00:44:00,693
Speaker 16: you know that, like people are put together and they're like, okay,

856
00:44:00,733 --> 00:44:02,573
Speaker 16: talk about this. But the truth of the matter is

857
00:44:02,613 --> 00:44:05,093
Speaker 16: that that's not what happens at all, you know, and

858
00:44:05,413 --> 00:44:09,213
Speaker 16: because it's been so much time, you know, Look, it's

859
00:44:09,253 --> 00:44:11,533
Speaker 16: a lot of time that you're spending with these women.

860
00:44:12,933 --> 00:44:16,013
Speaker 12: Your feelings get very deep, very fast. You know.

861
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Speaker 16: I used to be one of those people that made

862
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Speaker 16: fun of like all of like the love shows, you know,

863
00:44:20,773 --> 00:44:21,373
Speaker 16: where I'm just like.

864
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Speaker 12: How did you roll in love with this guy in

865
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Speaker 12: like two weeks? You know, Like guy's a crazy why

866
00:44:25,133 --> 00:44:26,493
Speaker 12: did you decide you want to marry him?

867
00:44:26,533 --> 00:44:26,733
Speaker 2: You know?

868
00:44:26,973 --> 00:44:28,773
Speaker 12: But now I'm like, oh, I understand, you know what

869
00:44:28,813 --> 00:44:29,093
Speaker 12: I mean?

870
00:44:29,173 --> 00:44:32,133
Speaker 16: Yeah, because like I think, like after like episode two,

871
00:44:32,293 --> 00:44:34,293
Speaker 16: I was ready to follow the sword for Drey, you

872
00:44:34,293 --> 00:44:36,053
Speaker 16: know what I mean, Like I'm ready to fight p

873
00:44:36,253 --> 00:44:37,373
Speaker 16: K at the drop of dim.

874
00:44:37,413 --> 00:44:39,173
Speaker 12: I've never even met the man, you know, and I like,

875
00:44:39,213 --> 00:44:40,213
Speaker 12: I want to fight him now.

876
00:44:40,693 --> 00:44:43,853
Speaker 16: And so I think for me, there is a real

877
00:44:44,053 --> 00:44:48,773
Speaker 16: deep connection that was very unexpected because I didn't know

878
00:44:49,373 --> 00:44:50,853
Speaker 16: how real it is.

879
00:44:51,053 --> 00:44:54,413
Speaker 3: That must be so nice for to surprise on the upside,

880
00:44:54,453 --> 00:44:56,853
Speaker 3: as opposed to coming in and being like, oh no,

881
00:44:56,933 --> 00:44:58,613
Speaker 3: they did me dirty on the edit or whatever.

882
00:44:58,733 --> 00:44:58,893
Speaker 2: You know.

883
00:44:58,933 --> 00:45:00,813
Speaker 3: I'm thinking like I thought I came across really well,

884
00:45:00,813 --> 00:45:02,573
Speaker 3: and actually everyone's being really mean about me.

885
00:45:02,693 --> 00:45:05,693
Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I will tell you that it's very strange

886
00:45:05,733 --> 00:45:07,773
Speaker 16: to watch this sho show back. Yeah, you know, it

887
00:45:07,853 --> 00:45:10,573
Speaker 16: is very It's a very strange thing because in the

888
00:45:10,653 --> 00:45:13,733
Speaker 16: conversation and sometimes I forget what I said, you know

889
00:45:13,733 --> 00:45:15,013
Speaker 16: what I mean, and so I'm just like, oh did

890
00:45:15,053 --> 00:45:16,533
Speaker 16: I say that? Oh my god, I think I should

891
00:45:16,533 --> 00:45:18,653
Speaker 16: have said that a nicer way, you know, like where

892
00:45:18,693 --> 00:45:20,533
Speaker 16: you're just like, oh, I didn't mean to be so,

893
00:45:21,613 --> 00:45:25,293
Speaker 16: But it's the it's who I am, and I think

894
00:45:25,373 --> 00:45:28,213
Speaker 16: you know, it comes across whether or not you're rude,

895
00:45:28,333 --> 00:45:30,893
Speaker 16: or you're direct, or you're funny or whatever.

896
00:45:30,933 --> 00:45:33,413
Speaker 12: It's just catching who you are and that's that's it.

897
00:45:33,533 --> 00:45:36,573
Speaker 3: See, that's interesting. Authenticity is the key in that sense.

898
00:45:37,013 --> 00:45:41,573
Speaker 3: But given given your professional experience, do you think you

899
00:45:41,693 --> 00:45:44,973
Speaker 3: came on thinking more about your own brand and about

900
00:45:45,093 --> 00:45:47,933
Speaker 3: perceptions about you as a person compared to people who

901
00:45:47,933 --> 00:45:51,653
Speaker 3: didn't have that same that same kind of level of background, right.

902
00:45:51,733 --> 00:45:56,133
Speaker 16: I think actually it helped me because I recognize that

903
00:45:56,213 --> 00:45:59,613
Speaker 16: authenticity is the only way to build a brand. You

904
00:45:59,653 --> 00:46:03,933
Speaker 16: know that they're if you put on you know, uh,

905
00:46:04,133 --> 00:46:07,133
Speaker 16: personality or you're thinking too much about it. Oh, I

906
00:46:07,173 --> 00:46:10,253
Speaker 16: want people to think of me as like sensitive, you know,

907
00:46:10,333 --> 00:46:13,173
Speaker 16: and therefore I must do like people can see.

908
00:46:12,933 --> 00:46:14,333
Speaker 12: Through that so quickly.

909
00:46:14,613 --> 00:46:16,933
Speaker 16: Yeah, you know what I mean That like in real life,

910
00:46:16,973 --> 00:46:19,973
Speaker 16: like when you're coming up through corporate and especially as

911
00:46:19,973 --> 00:46:23,173
Speaker 16: a marketer, it's like when you're leading people, they see

912
00:46:23,213 --> 00:46:25,573
Speaker 16: through that crab so quickly, you know, and.

913
00:46:25,533 --> 00:46:26,533
Speaker 12: You cannot do that.

914
00:46:26,893 --> 00:46:29,733
Speaker 16: And that's why I've been so adamant even in my

915
00:46:29,893 --> 00:46:33,093
Speaker 16: post corporate career when I advise or a mentor, where

916
00:46:33,093 --> 00:46:35,333
Speaker 16: I'm just like, look, you don't have to look at

917
00:46:35,333 --> 00:46:37,853
Speaker 16: the corner office and be like, oh, that's the person

918
00:46:37,893 --> 00:46:40,333
Speaker 16: I want to be, you know. It's like, no, you

919
00:46:40,373 --> 00:46:43,493
Speaker 16: want to be yourself in that corner office. And that's

920
00:46:43,493 --> 00:46:46,373
Speaker 16: the same way that I approach, you know, these relationships

921
00:46:46,373 --> 00:46:48,613
Speaker 16: and how I am perceived on the show. It's like, look,

922
00:46:48,733 --> 00:46:50,973
Speaker 16: if you like me, you're gonna like me in real life.

923
00:46:51,093 --> 00:46:52,813
Speaker 16: If you don't like me, you're not gonna like me

924
00:46:52,853 --> 00:46:54,293
Speaker 16: in real life. And I'm okay with that.

925
00:46:55,293 --> 00:46:58,653
Speaker 3: Do you have do you have kind of I'm sure

926
00:46:58,653 --> 00:47:01,773
Speaker 3: it's hard to distill a set of principles as such,

927
00:47:01,773 --> 00:47:04,253
Speaker 3: but do you have kind of cool principles that you

928
00:47:04,293 --> 00:47:07,293
Speaker 3: think define your athoughts when it comes to marketing because,

929
00:47:07,333 --> 00:47:09,653
Speaker 3: like I said, you have worked for these extraordinary companies

930
00:47:09,653 --> 00:47:11,253
Speaker 3: in these massive roles.

931
00:47:11,653 --> 00:47:14,653
Speaker 16: Yeah, I do. I mean the thing is that at

932
00:47:14,653 --> 00:47:17,093
Speaker 16: the end of the day, you have to find what

933
00:47:17,293 --> 00:47:21,213
Speaker 16: is unique about the service or the product and then

934
00:47:21,573 --> 00:47:22,453
Speaker 16: hone in on that.

935
00:47:22,733 --> 00:47:23,893
Speaker 12: And so that same.

936
00:47:23,653 --> 00:47:26,853
Speaker 16: Conversation we're just having about authenticity as a human is

937
00:47:26,893 --> 00:47:29,453
Speaker 16: the same way that you approach how you market a

938
00:47:29,493 --> 00:47:33,333
Speaker 16: brand anything an adamant object and person. You know, It's like,

939
00:47:33,613 --> 00:47:38,253
Speaker 16: what are the unique attributes that will make people connect

940
00:47:38,253 --> 00:47:38,853
Speaker 16: with that thing?

941
00:47:39,053 --> 00:47:39,213
Speaker 5: Right?

942
00:47:39,293 --> 00:47:42,053
Speaker 16: Because again, I think a lot of times in human behavior,

943
00:47:42,333 --> 00:47:43,893
Speaker 16: we think that we have to be similar in order

944
00:47:43,893 --> 00:47:45,853
Speaker 16: to like each other, you know. But I think you

945
00:47:45,893 --> 00:47:48,093
Speaker 16: and I could probably sit down and you could tell

946
00:47:48,133 --> 00:47:50,133
Speaker 16: me your life story, I'll tell you my life story,

947
00:47:50,213 --> 00:47:52,573
Speaker 16: and maybe we have no intersection at all, you know,

948
00:47:52,653 --> 00:47:56,053
Speaker 16: in our experiences, but we are curious about each other

949
00:47:56,173 --> 00:47:59,333
Speaker 16: because of that, yeah, you know. And so it's like, look,

950
00:47:59,373 --> 00:48:03,053
Speaker 16: when you're building a brand or building yourself or presenting yourself,

951
00:48:03,373 --> 00:48:05,973
Speaker 16: you don't have to be like the lowest common denominator.

952
00:48:06,053 --> 00:48:08,133
Speaker 12: You don't have to be like everybody else.

953
00:48:08,533 --> 00:48:10,853
Speaker 16: But the interesting things about you or what are going

954
00:48:10,893 --> 00:48:11,893
Speaker 16: to make people connect with you.

955
00:48:12,053 --> 00:48:14,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's great advice. What do you tell people

956
00:48:14,093 --> 00:48:16,653
Speaker 3: in your mentoring roles, and especially young women who look

957
00:48:16,653 --> 00:48:18,573
Speaker 3: at your professional success and say, man, I want a

958
00:48:18,573 --> 00:48:20,533
Speaker 3: little bit of bozema in my life. What do you

959
00:48:20,533 --> 00:48:21,413
Speaker 3: tell them?

960
00:48:21,773 --> 00:48:22,173
Speaker 12: Exactly?

961
00:48:22,213 --> 00:48:24,373
Speaker 16: Well, first of all, I tell them, look, you're never wrong,

962
00:48:25,613 --> 00:48:26,413
Speaker 16: They're always right.

963
00:48:26,613 --> 00:48:27,013
Speaker 12: Okay.

964
00:48:27,213 --> 00:48:29,773
Speaker 16: It's like and also, you enter these rooms and you think,

965
00:48:30,093 --> 00:48:34,013
Speaker 16: because people have more experience or you know, they've done

966
00:48:34,053 --> 00:48:36,293
Speaker 16: this longer than you, that somehow they're smarter than you,

967
00:48:36,333 --> 00:48:37,253
Speaker 16: and most of the time they're not.

968
00:48:37,453 --> 00:48:37,733
Speaker 12: Okay.

969
00:48:38,013 --> 00:48:41,613
Speaker 16: It's like, look, your fresh idea, your fresh perspective is

970
00:48:41,693 --> 00:48:45,333
Speaker 16: as good. You don't because like that's what's required. What

971
00:48:45,413 --> 00:48:48,253
Speaker 16: I did in my professional career ten years ago at

972
00:48:48,293 --> 00:48:49,813
Speaker 16: Apple you couldn't do.

973
00:48:49,813 --> 00:48:51,253
Speaker 12: Today and win, you know.

974
00:48:51,493 --> 00:48:53,773
Speaker 16: And so it's like, if I were in that boardroom today,

975
00:48:53,853 --> 00:48:57,013
Speaker 16: I'd be relying on the person who's fresh, you know.

976
00:48:57,173 --> 00:48:59,213
Speaker 16: And so when I'm mentoring people, I'm like, hey, look,

977
00:48:59,293 --> 00:49:01,093
Speaker 16: never get into a room and think that like, oh,

978
00:49:01,173 --> 00:49:03,213
Speaker 16: let me be quiet, because I don't know as much

979
00:49:03,213 --> 00:49:06,213
Speaker 16: as everybody else. Yeah, you'd be surprised how we're fresh,

980
00:49:06,573 --> 00:49:09,853
Speaker 16: how good your opinion is based on your freshness.

981
00:49:09,933 --> 00:49:13,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, And finally, what can we expect from the new season? Oh?

982
00:49:14,133 --> 00:49:15,573
Speaker 12: Man, Well, here's the thing.

983
00:49:15,773 --> 00:49:19,013
Speaker 16: Look, all of these women are in different life stages.

984
00:49:19,173 --> 00:49:19,493
Speaker 12: Okay.

985
00:49:19,853 --> 00:49:23,173
Speaker 16: Some are in the middle of divorce, some are separated,

986
00:49:23,373 --> 00:49:26,813
Speaker 16: Some like me, are getting you know, married, Amanda's already

987
00:49:26,853 --> 00:49:30,133
Speaker 16: been engaged. You know, there's just so much going on

988
00:49:30,253 --> 00:49:32,373
Speaker 16: with us that I find that a lot of that

989
00:49:32,573 --> 00:49:37,453
Speaker 16: external drama finds its way in and affects our interactions

990
00:49:37,453 --> 00:49:39,773
Speaker 16: with each other. And so sometimes, you know, people go

991
00:49:39,813 --> 00:49:42,253
Speaker 16: off the rails, not because of what's going on, you know,

992
00:49:42,653 --> 00:49:45,213
Speaker 16: between us, but because of what is happening outside in

993
00:49:45,253 --> 00:49:49,213
Speaker 16: the world. And so it gets very testy at some point.

994
00:49:49,373 --> 00:49:52,053
Speaker 16: But I also love the fact that we have a

995
00:49:52,093 --> 00:49:55,853
Speaker 16: lot of fun together. Yeah, and I think in especially

996
00:49:55,853 --> 00:49:57,813
Speaker 16: in our trips, you'll be very entertained.

997
00:49:58,053 --> 00:50:00,093
Speaker 3: Oh very good, looking forward to that. Thank you so

998
00:50:00,173 --> 00:50:03,093
Speaker 3: much for giving us your time, buzs But congratulations on

999
00:50:03,213 --> 00:50:06,053
Speaker 3: the show, on all of your success and your marriage

1000
00:50:06,053 --> 00:50:07,733
Speaker 3: of co and we look forward to seeing you soon.

1001
00:50:07,813 --> 00:50:10,413
Speaker 12: Thank you, I really appreciate it. Thank you so much

1002
00:50:10,413 --> 00:50:11,173
Speaker 12: for the time.

1003
00:50:11,173 --> 00:50:13,413
Speaker 3: That is Bozamas Saint John. She is starring in the

1004
00:50:13,453 --> 00:50:16,773
Speaker 3: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and brand new episodes of

1005
00:50:16,813 --> 00:50:22,013
Speaker 3: the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills season fifteen stream Fridays

1006
00:50:22,333 --> 00:50:25,133
Speaker 3: first on HIU, which is the same day as the

1007
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Speaker 3: United States. Now before we leven o'clock. On News Talks,

1008
00:50:27,293 --> 00:50:30,533
Speaker 3: he'd be our personal finance expert is in. He wants

1009
00:50:30,573 --> 00:50:33,293
Speaker 3: to take a look at the old adage about buying

1010
00:50:33,333 --> 00:50:36,053
Speaker 3: the worst house on the best street. Does that still

1011
00:50:36,093 --> 00:50:38,653
Speaker 3: make sense? And if you're looking to do that, what

1012
00:50:38,733 --> 00:50:41,493
Speaker 3: should you keep in mind? As well as that, our

1013
00:50:41,573 --> 00:50:44,853
Speaker 3: Textbert will review the year in ai some of the

1014
00:50:44,853 --> 00:50:47,693
Speaker 3: big tech themes of twenty twenty five. Next up, though,

1015
00:50:47,693 --> 00:50:50,293
Speaker 3: it's your screen time picks for this weekend. Eighteen past

1016
00:50:50,333 --> 00:50:51,533
Speaker 3: ten on News Talks, he'd be.

1017
00:50:54,453 --> 00:50:56,733
Speaker 4: Start your weekend off the right way.

1018
00:50:57,093 --> 00:51:01,653
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack dam News Talks, there'd be ninety two.

1019
00:51:01,733 --> 00:51:04,173
Speaker 3: Ninety two is the text number this morning. It's twenty

1020
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Speaker 3: one past ten, which means it's screen time time. Tara

1021
00:51:07,653 --> 00:51:11,133
Speaker 3: Ward is our screen time experts. She picks three shows

1022
00:51:11,173 --> 00:51:13,293
Speaker 3: to watch your stream at home and recommend every week.

1023
00:51:13,373 --> 00:51:16,893
Speaker 3: Can I Tara, good morning. Let's begin with a show

1024
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Speaker 3: streaming on Neon tell Us about Bookish.

1025
00:51:21,013 --> 00:51:24,053
Speaker 17: This is a new cozy crime drama that's just come

1026
00:51:24,053 --> 00:51:26,933
Speaker 17: to Neon and if you're looking for something calm and

1027
00:51:27,013 --> 00:51:29,733
Speaker 17: comforting to watch to get away from all the Christmas chaos,

1028
00:51:29,773 --> 00:51:32,613
Speaker 17: this would be a great choice. This is bookish. It's

1029
00:51:32,613 --> 00:51:35,533
Speaker 17: set in the East End of London in nineteen forty six,

1030
00:51:35,653 --> 00:51:37,853
Speaker 17: so just after the end of the war, and it's

1031
00:51:37,893 --> 00:51:41,533
Speaker 17: about a man called Gabriel Book And Gabriel is quite

1032
00:51:41,573 --> 00:51:45,533
Speaker 17: an eccentric fellow. He owns an antiquarian bookshop full of

1033
00:51:46,133 --> 00:51:50,133
Speaker 17: intriguing titles and rare collections, and he's also an amateur

1034
00:51:50,133 --> 00:51:54,253
Speaker 17: detective and he uses his bookshop and all the information

1035
00:51:54,373 --> 00:51:57,613
Speaker 17: in it to help him unravel these puzzles and solve

1036
00:51:57,653 --> 00:52:00,853
Speaker 17: these strange murders that take place in the East End.

1037
00:52:01,013 --> 00:52:05,333
Speaker 17: And his bookshop attracts this little community of friends who

1038
00:52:05,333 --> 00:52:07,933
Speaker 17: have all been through the war and who will have

1039
00:52:08,093 --> 00:52:11,373
Speaker 17: their own issues to deal with, but they're pulled together

1040
00:52:11,413 --> 00:52:14,213
Speaker 17: by Gabriel and his wife Trotty, who give them lots

1041
00:52:14,253 --> 00:52:18,413
Speaker 17: of helpful advice. And so you've got this quirky traditional

1042
00:52:18,693 --> 00:52:21,733
Speaker 17: English murder mystery series. But it's set in this time

1043
00:52:21,773 --> 00:52:25,773
Speaker 17: when British society was trying to recover and rebuild itself

1044
00:52:25,813 --> 00:52:29,133
Speaker 17: after the war. Mark Gattis, who's been in Sherlock and

1045
00:52:29,173 --> 00:52:31,373
Speaker 17: a League of Gentlemen, wrote this and he starts as

1046
00:52:31,413 --> 00:52:34,773
Speaker 17: Gabriel and the show has it like a Poi rot

1047
00:52:34,933 --> 00:52:38,213
Speaker 17: Agatha Christie kind of vibe to it. It's pretty gentle.

1048
00:52:38,293 --> 00:52:41,453
Speaker 17: There's some humor and some quirkiness sprinkled through it as well.

1049
00:52:42,453 --> 00:52:44,773
Speaker 17: It's a comfort watch. I think British murder mystery fans

1050
00:52:44,773 --> 00:52:46,653
Speaker 17: will adore this very charming.

1051
00:52:46,853 --> 00:52:50,133
Speaker 3: Yeah nice, okay, cool, that's bookish. It's on Neon. Also

1052
00:52:50,253 --> 00:52:53,013
Speaker 3: on Neon from January ninth, there's a new season of

1053
00:52:53,053 --> 00:52:53,333
Speaker 3: The Pit.

1054
00:52:54,533 --> 00:52:54,733
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1055
00:52:54,733 --> 00:52:57,013
Speaker 17: The Pit was one of the best shows of twenty

1056
00:52:57,053 --> 00:53:00,053
Speaker 17: twenty five. Season one landed in January. It went on

1057
00:53:00,133 --> 00:53:03,053
Speaker 17: to win Best Drama at the Emmys and has had

1058
00:53:03,373 --> 00:53:06,093
Speaker 17: a lot of hype around it and rave reviews and

1059
00:53:06,133 --> 00:53:08,653
Speaker 17: see and two starts in the new year. And The

1060
00:53:08,653 --> 00:53:13,653
Speaker 17: Pit is an intense, gritty medical drama. If you like Er,

1061
00:53:13,933 --> 00:53:16,093
Speaker 17: you will love The Pitch. This stars Noel Wiley, who

1062
00:53:16,133 --> 00:53:19,213
Speaker 17: also start in Er. And he plays a doctor called

1063
00:53:19,293 --> 00:53:22,413
Speaker 17: Robbie who leads the emergency room of a hospital in

1064
00:53:22,453 --> 00:53:27,093
Speaker 17: Pittsburgh and they're dealing with a never ending line of

1065
00:53:27,213 --> 00:53:30,293
Speaker 17: patients and crises. But The thing that makes The Pit

1066
00:53:30,453 --> 00:53:33,693
Speaker 17: so compelling is that it unfolds in real time. So

1067
00:53:34,213 --> 00:53:38,173
Speaker 17: the entire season follows one continuous, fifteen hour shift at

1068
00:53:38,213 --> 00:53:40,653
Speaker 17: the hospital, and so episode one is the first hour

1069
00:53:40,653 --> 00:53:42,613
Speaker 17: of the shift and so on. But you're there for

1070
00:53:42,733 --> 00:53:45,653
Speaker 17: the whole ride, from start to finish. You can't look

1071
00:53:45,653 --> 00:53:49,493
Speaker 17: away or escape that intensity. Nearly all of the drama

1072
00:53:49,533 --> 00:53:52,693
Speaker 17: takes place inside, with the fluorescent lights and the noise

1073
00:53:52,773 --> 00:53:56,173
Speaker 17: and the stress, and so it's very realistic and it's

1074
00:53:56,213 --> 00:53:58,213
Speaker 17: about what it's like to be on the front line

1075
00:53:58,253 --> 00:54:02,053
Speaker 17: of the American healthcare system. Season two takes place on

1076
00:54:02,133 --> 00:54:04,813
Speaker 17: the fourth of July. It's Robbie's last shift before he

1077
00:54:04,853 --> 00:54:07,693
Speaker 17: goes on leave, and the computer system has gone down,

1078
00:54:07,773 --> 00:54:11,453
Speaker 17: so no shortage of chaos in season two. I highly

1079
00:54:11,493 --> 00:54:13,773
Speaker 17: recommend that's definitely one of the best shows of the year.

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Speaker 17: Season one is on Neon now, and as you say,

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Speaker 17: season two starts on January ninth.

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Speaker 3: So my brother has been going on and on about this.

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00:54:20,093 --> 00:54:22,573
Speaker 3: As soon as the new promo for you know, the

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00:54:22,573 --> 00:54:24,733
Speaker 3: trailer for the new season of The Pit came through,

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00:54:25,293 --> 00:54:27,093
Speaker 3: he sent it to me, but he said that it

1086
00:54:27,173 --> 00:54:30,853
Speaker 3: is like really intense, and the same way kind of that.

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00:54:30,893 --> 00:54:33,173
Speaker 3: The Bear is intense, Like you really, it's not a

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00:54:33,213 --> 00:54:35,773
Speaker 3: relaxing watch just before bed. You know, you can't need

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00:54:35,813 --> 00:54:37,933
Speaker 3: half an hour to bring yourself down afterwards. Is that fair?

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00:54:38,733 --> 00:54:41,453
Speaker 17: Exactly? And I think, you know, it's one episode a week,

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00:54:41,493 --> 00:54:43,933
Speaker 17: and I think that's probably maybe the best way just

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00:54:43,973 --> 00:54:46,693
Speaker 17: to watch it, just to immerse yourself in that hour

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00:54:46,813 --> 00:54:48,613
Speaker 17: and then have a wee rest afterwards.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, very good. So that's the new season of

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00:54:50,773 --> 00:54:53,013
Speaker 3: The Pit that's on Neon from January ninth and on

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00:54:53,053 --> 00:54:56,453
Speaker 3: Netflix from the first of January. Harlan Coben Runaway.

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00:54:57,573 --> 00:54:57,773
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:54:57,813 --> 00:55:00,493
Speaker 17: Every New Yearsday. For the past few years, Netflix has

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00:55:00,533 --> 00:55:03,733
Speaker 17: released a very bingeable thriller series based on one of

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Speaker 17: Harlan Coben's best selling books. I think eleven Harlan Coben's

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00:55:07,173 --> 00:55:09,293
Speaker 17: books have been made into Netflix shows and they have

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Speaker 17: all been huge hits, and I think this latest one, Runaway,

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00:55:12,893 --> 00:55:17,053
Speaker 17: will be exactly the same. This stars James Nesbit, Ruth Jones,

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00:55:17,053 --> 00:55:21,213
Speaker 17: and Mini Driver. James Nesbit plays a father whose perfect

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00:55:21,293 --> 00:55:24,373
Speaker 17: life starts to fall apart when his adult daughter goes missing.

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00:55:25,693 --> 00:55:28,213
Speaker 17: In his search to find her, he gets caught up

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00:55:28,333 --> 00:55:31,813
Speaker 17: in a murder case and uncovers a lot of secrets

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00:55:32,093 --> 00:55:34,413
Speaker 17: that could destroy his family, and it's about how far

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00:55:34,933 --> 00:55:37,933
Speaker 17: he will go to protect his family. And I think

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00:55:38,573 --> 00:55:40,973
Speaker 17: this is the perfect kind of TV to watch from

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00:55:40,973 --> 00:55:44,053
Speaker 17: the couch on New Year's Day. Essentially, it's very similar

1112
00:55:44,093 --> 00:55:48,013
Speaker 17: to every other Harlan Coben series, but still extremely watchable.

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00:55:48,533 --> 00:55:50,373
Speaker 17: It's glossy, it's got a great cast.

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00:55:50,573 --> 00:55:51,733
Speaker 2: There's lots of twists.

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Speaker 17: And clippingers, and I think you can forget those moments

1116
00:55:54,693 --> 00:55:57,973
Speaker 17: of melodrama or cliches that might pop up because it's

1117
00:55:58,053 --> 00:56:01,613
Speaker 17: just entertaining TV. It's suctually one from the start, you know,

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00:56:01,653 --> 00:56:03,773
Speaker 17: it's a tried and true format for Netflix and it

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00:56:03,933 --> 00:56:05,093
Speaker 17: just delivers every time.

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Speaker 3: Oh very good. So that's Harlan Coben Runaway. Tara's other shows,

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00:56:09,533 --> 00:56:12,013
Speaker 3: Bookish is on Neon and The Pit is on Neon

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00:56:12,133 --> 00:56:13,853
Speaker 3: from January ninth, all of those will be up on

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Speaker 3: the News Talks he'd be website Tara, what are you

1124
00:56:16,773 --> 00:56:18,973
Speaker 3: doing for the Christmas break? Are you need some downtime?

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Speaker 17: I am. We're heading over to Central Otago in a

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00:56:22,813 --> 00:56:26,133
Speaker 17: few days for a family Christmas, so you're just looking

1127
00:56:26,133 --> 00:56:28,413
Speaker 17: forward to a bit of relaxing time. Hopefully some beautiful

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Speaker 17: weather and yeah, just catching up on some good TV

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Speaker 17: of course, of.

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Speaker 3: Course, of course your priorities. Fantastic. Hey, thank you so

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00:56:35,613 --> 00:56:37,773
Speaker 3: much for all of your recommendations this year. It has

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00:56:37,813 --> 00:56:41,053
Speaker 3: been wonderful and I hope you have a splendid Christmas.

1133
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Speaker 3: Look forward to seeing you again in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Jack, very good. Tara Award is our

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Speaker 3: screen time expert. Like I say, all of her picks

1136
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Speaker 3: for this week and for the holiday break will be

1137
00:56:50,653 --> 00:56:53,493
Speaker 3: up on our show page at news Talks HEDB dot

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Speaker 3: co dot MZ Forward slash.

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Speaker 4: Jack Getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday Morning with Jack team on News TALKSB.

1141
00:57:24,453 --> 00:57:26,493
Speaker 3: Well, if there's one thing we can say about music

1142
00:57:26,533 --> 00:57:28,693
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five is that it's that we have

1143
00:57:28,853 --> 00:57:31,413
Speaker 3: never really been bored. It's been no excuse. We've had

1144
00:57:31,453 --> 00:57:37,053
Speaker 3: bold new albums from Lady Gaga, Let's Her with Abracadabra Abracabra,

1145
00:57:37,853 --> 00:57:43,333
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift, Rosalia, FK Twigs, Beyonce finally one Album of

1146
00:57:43,373 --> 00:57:46,893
Speaker 3: the Year at the Grammys with Cowboy Carter, Irish rap

1147
00:57:46,973 --> 00:57:51,413
Speaker 3: trio Kneecap took Coach Haller by storm and ignited their

1148
00:57:51,573 --> 00:57:55,253
Speaker 3: fair share of controversy on and off the stage. Bad

1149
00:57:55,293 --> 00:57:57,773
Speaker 3: Bunny has been announced as headliner for the twenty twenty

1150
00:57:57,773 --> 00:58:01,373
Speaker 3: six Super Bowl halftime show, becoming the first artist who

1151
00:58:01,373 --> 00:58:06,733
Speaker 3: performs exclusively Spanish language music to do so else Well,

1152
00:58:06,733 --> 00:58:11,413
Speaker 3: TikTok creators became bona fide pop stars, as Alex Warren

1153
00:58:11,453 --> 00:58:14,333
Speaker 3: held the top of the charts spot with his song Ordinary,

1154
00:58:14,373 --> 00:58:19,093
Speaker 3: We lost DiAngelo, Split Ends announced their reunion, and we

1155
00:58:19,173 --> 00:58:22,213
Speaker 3: even saw a former rapper elected as mayor of New

1156
00:58:22,293 --> 00:58:26,013
Speaker 3: York City. So yeah, it's been a busy year to

1157
00:58:26,053 --> 00:58:29,453
Speaker 3: say the least. So much new music across such diverse

1158
00:58:29,493 --> 00:58:31,813
Speaker 3: genres means anyone you talk to is going to have

1159
00:58:31,813 --> 00:58:34,293
Speaker 3: a different pick for their top album of twenty twenty five.

1160
00:58:34,333 --> 00:58:36,733
Speaker 3: But our music review is going to be in before

1161
00:58:36,773 --> 00:58:39,973
Speaker 3: midday to try and wade through it all, to wade

1162
00:58:39,973 --> 00:58:42,973
Speaker 3: through the vast offerings of this year and share his

1163
00:58:43,093 --> 00:58:45,173
Speaker 3: top picks for the best of twenty twenty five. So

1164
00:58:45,253 --> 00:58:48,773
Speaker 3: we want best song, best album, and best concert of

1165
00:58:48,813 --> 00:58:51,453
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. We will do that before midday today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your messages. Paul has sent me a

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00:58:53,533 --> 00:58:56,053
Speaker 3: note to say Jack regarding The Pit the TV show.

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00:58:56,093 --> 00:58:58,733
Speaker 3: The Pit my wife and I have been enjoying it,

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00:58:58,773 --> 00:59:01,653
Speaker 3: but I think if you binge it, you will do

1170
00:59:01,733 --> 00:59:05,893
Speaker 3: some emotional damage to yourself. It is just so so intense.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that word of warning, Paul. We appreciate it.

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00:59:08,813 --> 00:59:10,613
Speaker 3: In a couple of minutes, our texpert is in with

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00:59:10,733 --> 00:59:14,373
Speaker 3: his thoughts on the year that was in artificial intelligence,

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00:59:14,813 --> 00:59:17,213
Speaker 3: and before eleven o'clock we're in the garden as well.

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00:59:17,293 --> 00:59:19,213
Speaker 3: Right now, it's twenty eight minutes to eleven non news

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Speaker 3: Talk seed B, twenty five to eleven non news talk

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Speaker 3: seed B. It has been a stonking year for AI.

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Speaker 3: So just look at open Ai, the makers of chat GPT.

1179
00:59:29,293 --> 00:59:32,693
Speaker 3: They are on track now to thirteen billion US dollars

1180
00:59:32,733 --> 00:59:35,213
Speaker 3: in revenue for this year, which is up from four

1181
00:59:35,293 --> 00:59:38,093
Speaker 3: billion US in twenty twenty four. But they're looking at

1182
00:59:38,093 --> 00:59:41,893
Speaker 3: maybe hitting annualized revenue of about nineteen billion dollars, which

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00:59:41,933 --> 00:59:45,493
Speaker 3: is extraordinary. That's just from the paid user accounts on

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Speaker 3: chat gpt, and of course you can just use the

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00:59:47,773 --> 00:59:50,973
Speaker 3: free version. Texbert Paul Stenhouse is here to look back

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Speaker 3: at the year in artificial intelligence. Paul, did they get

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00:59:55,133 --> 00:59:57,413
Speaker 3: as far as you expected they would get this year?

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00:59:58,453 --> 00:59:58,773
Speaker 5: Oh?

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00:59:58,853 --> 00:59:59,533
Speaker 4: Good question.

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Speaker 13: I think they did.

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Speaker 14: To be honest, Jack, I use a lot of I

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Speaker 14: say that as someone who uses AI a lot for

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01:00:08,933 --> 01:00:11,733
Speaker 14: coding and technical things, and it seems to be one

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01:00:11,733 --> 01:00:15,013
Speaker 14: of the areas where I've really leaned into it. There

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Speaker 14: seems to be a war at the moment between open

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Speaker 14: AI and Google, Gemini and Anthropic to really kind of

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Speaker 14: nail the software developer experience. They're typically people who want

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Speaker 14: to try new things that are usually pretty okay with change.

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Speaker 14: And what's interesting about code is there's a sort of

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Speaker 14: corpus of old projects you can reference and also kind

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01:00:36,453 --> 01:00:39,413
Speaker 14: of documentation as well. Right, so it lends itself quite

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01:00:39,413 --> 01:00:43,653
Speaker 14: well to AI. But it still isn't perfect. But when

1203
01:00:43,653 --> 01:00:46,933
Speaker 14: I think about the things that it could largely could

1204
01:00:46,933 --> 01:00:51,333
Speaker 14: not do a year ago or two years ago, Wow,

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01:00:51,493 --> 01:00:53,613
Speaker 14: it has come a really really long way. It is

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Speaker 14: not perfect, but it's come a really really long way.

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Speaker 14: I think it's just interesting too that the people who

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01:00:58,493 --> 01:01:02,813
Speaker 14: probably have never touched, of touched or thought of AI

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01:01:03,093 --> 01:01:04,933
Speaker 14: maybe this year gave it a go.

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Speaker 2: Ye.

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Speaker 14: I feel like it's reach a far wider, you know,

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Speaker 14: group of people. They've kind of started to dabble as

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01:01:10,573 --> 01:01:13,813
Speaker 14: things have become you know, a little more baked into

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01:01:13,893 --> 01:01:16,013
Speaker 14: some of the services that they use every day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what is your preferred text generation service at

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01:01:23,373 --> 01:01:25,533
Speaker 3: the moment? You do you still stick with chat GPT

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01:01:25,693 --> 01:01:29,173
Speaker 3: because in recent months there has been a bit of

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Speaker 3: a sense that Google is catching up, that Gemini is

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Speaker 3: actually getting as good, if not maybe better than chat GPT.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and it really depends what you want to use

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Speaker 14: it for. And I know that sounds like a bit

1222
01:01:39,253 --> 01:01:41,413
Speaker 14: of a cop out, but if for example, in the

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Speaker 14: coding world, it seems to change every literally every few weeks,

1224
01:01:45,093 --> 01:01:48,453
Speaker 14: as these models get tweaked and they're making changes and deployments.

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Speaker 14: Now when it comes to things like you know, some

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01:01:51,893 --> 01:01:55,573
Speaker 14: are slightly more creative, some are better with academic some

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Speaker 14: are better with more formal type of writing, some are

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Speaker 14: better at puzzing PDFs. And I'm making understanding it really

1229
01:02:02,213 --> 01:02:05,733
Speaker 14: does change based on the type of task that you're doing,

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01:02:05,773 --> 01:02:10,093
Speaker 14: which I know sounds crazy, but they do sort of

1231
01:02:10,133 --> 01:02:12,333
Speaker 14: have this this is going to sound even crazy, ear

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Speaker 14: They almost have this kind of like personality behind them

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01:02:15,133 --> 01:02:18,013
Speaker 14: jack or like a skill level because they are trained

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Speaker 14: on things and they do have these kind of hidden

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01:02:20,853 --> 01:02:23,813
Speaker 14: instructions telling them how they should be working and how

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Speaker 14: they should be responding and if they should be, you know,

1237
01:02:27,373 --> 01:02:29,893
Speaker 14: responding more succinctly.

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Speaker 18: Or giving you more sources.

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Speaker 14: And all of these things are baked in the background,

1240
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Speaker 14: so things that you don't even see about those agents

1241
01:02:35,933 --> 01:02:39,373
Speaker 14: are kind of controlling them. So I would say try

1242
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Speaker 14: some of them.

1243
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Speaker 13: There's lots of.

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Speaker 14: Them that start out for free. I found things like

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Speaker 14: Perplexity to be really good for kind of currents from

1246
01:02:46,253 --> 01:02:50,453
Speaker 14: trying to do anything about current information. I find, you know,

1247
01:02:50,733 --> 01:02:53,173
Speaker 14: the geminis of the world. If you're a Google Drive

1248
01:02:53,653 --> 01:02:56,573
Speaker 14: or Google kind of workspace user, it's really easy to

1249
01:02:56,613 --> 01:02:58,613
Speaker 14: tap into that world and get it to understand some

1250
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Speaker 14: things about the documents you already have in there. So yeah,

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01:03:02,333 --> 01:03:04,173
Speaker 14: it's just you can just you can kind of pick

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Speaker 14: and choose.

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01:03:04,613 --> 01:03:07,853
Speaker 3: You can experm yeah, yeah, if wand to different things.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and then music dedicated apps too, right, so things

1255
01:03:10,653 --> 01:03:13,333
Speaker 14: like if you've ever made a PowerPoint presentation and you

1256
01:03:13,373 --> 01:03:15,213
Speaker 14: never want to have to do that ever again, there's

1257
01:03:15,213 --> 01:03:18,333
Speaker 14: an app called Gamma for example. Oh so we're starting

1258
01:03:18,373 --> 01:03:22,173
Speaker 14: to see really specialized AI tools that you can use

1259
01:03:22,213 --> 01:03:23,773
Speaker 14: to do very specifically.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, okay, so can I put you on the

1261
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Speaker 3: spot and ask you for a couple of predictions in

1262
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, do you think Okay, first of all,

1263
01:03:31,413 --> 01:03:34,373
Speaker 3: do you think that we are going to achieve this

1264
01:03:34,573 --> 01:03:39,133
Speaker 3: agi artificial general intelligence which is the kind of you know,

1265
01:03:39,173 --> 01:03:41,973
Speaker 3: the kind of guiding star for many of these big

1266
01:03:41,973 --> 01:03:45,173
Speaker 3: tech firms. They want to basically achieve artificial intelligence that

1267
01:03:45,213 --> 01:03:47,133
Speaker 3: can do anything and more that a human can do.

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Speaker 18: Not in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so either. I don't think so either.

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Speaker 3: I think if anything, even though the large language models,

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01:03:56,573 --> 01:03:59,453
Speaker 3: the text generators, the chat GPTs of the world are improving,

1272
01:04:00,853 --> 01:04:03,733
Speaker 3: and certainly that the models that are helping with coding

1273
01:04:03,773 --> 01:04:08,093
Speaker 3: have improved massively, I think we're probably not. It feels

1274
01:04:08,093 --> 01:04:11,893
Speaker 3: like the kind of incremental improvements now as opposed to

1275
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Speaker 3: really big lockstep improvements, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 19: Here's what's interesting, right.

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Speaker 14: It can produce a lot of stuff. And that's why

1278
01:04:18,693 --> 01:04:22,053
Speaker 14: the Merriam Webster word of the Year is slop because

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01:04:22,093 --> 01:04:24,453
Speaker 14: that's what it's known as AI slop. Right, These things

1280
01:04:24,493 --> 01:04:27,933
Speaker 14: just create stuff, whatever that is. But when you start

1281
01:04:27,933 --> 01:04:30,333
Speaker 14: to look at like coding is a really specific example

1282
01:04:30,373 --> 01:04:33,333
Speaker 14: and a really good example because it can produce code,

1283
01:04:33,373 --> 01:04:35,773
Speaker 14: and you can test to see if it works very

1284
01:04:35,773 --> 01:04:38,693
Speaker 14: easily and very quickly when it spits out sentences and

1285
01:04:38,733 --> 01:04:44,533
Speaker 14: sentences about quantum physics or how to you know, look

1286
01:04:44,573 --> 01:04:47,253
Speaker 14: after a dog, you know, like it will give you information,

1287
01:04:47,293 --> 01:04:50,493
Speaker 14: it will give you words. Yeah, they may be sentences,

1288
01:04:50,533 --> 01:04:53,853
Speaker 14: they may be paragraphs, but is the content actually good

1289
01:04:53,933 --> 01:04:57,373
Speaker 14: and is it actually correct? And it's sometimes when you

1290
01:04:57,373 --> 01:05:00,053
Speaker 14: really if you start to use AI for things you

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Speaker 14: know a lot about, or if you give it very

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01:05:02,493 --> 01:05:06,173
Speaker 14: specific documents, for example, and you're asking very specific questions,

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01:05:06,773 --> 01:05:08,813
Speaker 14: it's very easy for you to then start to see

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01:05:08,813 --> 01:05:10,373
Speaker 14: where where it goes wrong.

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01:05:10,493 --> 01:05:10,933
Speaker 7: Yeah. Right.

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01:05:11,253 --> 01:05:12,173
Speaker 12: I heard someone.

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Speaker 14: Refer to it the other day as a veneer of intelligence, Yeah,

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Speaker 14: which I thought was quite interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Nice, Okay, I like that, the veneer of intelligence.

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Speaker 3: My next My next question, repredictions. Do you think that

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01:05:24,893 --> 01:05:27,533
Speaker 3: we are going to see an AI bubble burst.

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Speaker 14: My portfolio?

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01:05:29,693 --> 01:05:29,933
Speaker 7: Short?

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01:05:30,173 --> 01:05:32,093
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:05:33,253 --> 01:05:38,213
Speaker 14: Not, I don't think not yet. Okay, Look, I think

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01:05:38,253 --> 01:05:40,933
Speaker 14: we still need a lot of things, right. I just

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01:05:40,973 --> 01:05:42,813
Speaker 14: saw a news article today. There's a lot of pushback,

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01:05:42,853 --> 01:05:46,813
Speaker 14: for example, from locals on AI data centers or data

1309
01:05:46,813 --> 01:05:49,213
Speaker 14: centers in general, that people don't want them in their communities,

1310
01:05:49,413 --> 01:05:51,933
Speaker 14: they suck up utilities, drive up power prices, et cetera,

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01:05:52,013 --> 01:05:53,733
Speaker 14: et cetera, kind of these types of things. So we may,

1312
01:05:54,293 --> 01:05:56,853
Speaker 14: you know, we may see some really interesting pushback. Yeah,

1313
01:05:57,053 --> 01:05:59,013
Speaker 14: that starts to kind of soften some of this kind

1314
01:05:59,013 --> 01:06:02,493
Speaker 14: of AI hype. But look, isn't it the art of

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01:06:02,813 --> 01:06:05,333
Speaker 14: isn't it the kind of a g I type, you know,

1316
01:06:05,813 --> 01:06:09,293
Speaker 14: general and dilligence level where it can really do anything right,

1317
01:06:09,333 --> 01:06:11,453
Speaker 14: but it can do a lot of interesting stuff.

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Speaker 18: And I think.

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Speaker 14: Where we will see is in this next year when

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01:06:14,933 --> 01:06:20,053
Speaker 14: people really start to integrate AI into their workflows, because

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01:06:20,053 --> 01:06:22,013
Speaker 14: it really does have kind of, you know, in some fields,

1322
01:06:22,013 --> 01:06:27,013
Speaker 14: the intelligence quote unquote of like a junior employee. When

1323
01:06:27,013 --> 01:06:28,733
Speaker 14: we start to see that, I think that's when we'll

1324
01:06:28,733 --> 01:06:33,333
Speaker 14: see what the what the real impact is the economy.

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01:06:32,853 --> 01:06:36,373
Speaker 3: And everything else to serve everything else. Ye, okay, So

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01:06:36,533 --> 01:06:38,573
Speaker 3: it was a big year for AI. Next year's hat

1327
01:06:38,613 --> 01:06:40,493
Speaker 3: to be a big year for AI, but you twenty

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01:06:40,533 --> 01:06:42,693
Speaker 3: twenty five was also a big year for past keys.

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01:06:43,253 --> 01:06:44,973
Speaker 14: I know, Jack, it's the last show of the year.

1330
01:06:45,013 --> 01:06:48,413
Speaker 14: I usually always give my PSA that says, if you've

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01:06:48,453 --> 01:06:50,573
Speaker 14: got some time over the holidays, you should update your

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01:06:50,613 --> 01:06:54,493
Speaker 14: past words. But twenty twenty five has been the year

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01:06:54,533 --> 01:06:57,533
Speaker 14: of the past key, which it's this new kind of

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01:06:57,573 --> 01:07:01,453
Speaker 14: alternative to passwords that's coming. And it's great because if

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01:07:01,493 --> 01:07:03,533
Speaker 14: you think of a password, you kind of just yell

1336
01:07:03,613 --> 01:07:05,973
Speaker 14: it at the website that you're going to and if

1337
01:07:05,973 --> 01:07:08,733
Speaker 14: you're the if it's the wrong website, can hear the

1338
01:07:08,733 --> 01:07:09,693
Speaker 14: password effectively.

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01:07:09,813 --> 01:07:12,253
Speaker 3: Right. What past keys are is it goes, hey.

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01:07:12,493 --> 01:07:13,053
Speaker 2: Who are you?

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01:07:13,093 --> 01:07:15,133
Speaker 14: And you go, I'm Jack, And I go, well, Jack,

1342
01:07:15,373 --> 01:07:18,053
Speaker 14: I've got something for you, but only because you're Jack,

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01:07:18,173 --> 01:07:18,773
Speaker 14: and that's.

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01:07:18,573 --> 01:07:19,773
Speaker 3: The past key.

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01:07:20,733 --> 01:07:23,693
Speaker 14: How is that the more secure they are, more they

1346
01:07:23,693 --> 01:07:27,813
Speaker 14: are encrypted, they get stored significantly more securely on your device.

1347
01:07:29,813 --> 01:07:32,213
Speaker 14: You want to find out a little bit more about them.

1348
01:07:32,293 --> 01:07:34,293
Speaker 14: I do think the other way that everything is going.

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01:07:34,493 --> 01:07:36,613
Speaker 14: They are a little tricky though, because they do kind

1350
01:07:36,613 --> 01:07:40,053
Speaker 14: of get stuck on the device or the service at

1351
01:07:40,093 --> 01:07:42,973
Speaker 14: which you generate them for. Right, So, because we need

1352
01:07:43,053 --> 01:07:45,933
Speaker 14: to have that little handshaky thing we do. Imagine if

1353
01:07:45,973 --> 01:07:47,773
Speaker 14: you only have the paskey on your computer and then

1354
01:07:47,813 --> 01:07:50,773
Speaker 14: you lose your computer. So you've got to put them

1355
01:07:50,773 --> 01:07:53,533
Speaker 14: into things like password managers. You've got to make sure

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01:07:53,533 --> 01:07:55,653
Speaker 14: you have things like a recovery email a set on

1357
01:07:55,693 --> 01:07:59,133
Speaker 14: your account, things like that. But they are great. They

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01:07:59,133 --> 01:08:02,653
Speaker 14: stop phishing. I don't see why every bank hasn't been

1359
01:08:02,693 --> 01:08:03,533
Speaker 14: adopting them.

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01:08:03,573 --> 01:08:06,333
Speaker 3: Because they make you more sence.

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01:08:06,373 --> 01:08:08,173
Speaker 14: It's like a no brainer makes it secure.

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Speaker 3: Yea, Hey, thank you so much, Paul. Have a fantastic

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Speaker 3: Christmas and we will catch igi in very soon. Paul Stenhouse,

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01:08:14,893 --> 01:08:17,933
Speaker 3: our texpert. In a couple of minutes, our personal finance expert,

1365
01:08:18,293 --> 01:08:20,893
Speaker 3: tells us his thoughts on the old buying the worst

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01:08:20,933 --> 01:08:24,133
Speaker 3: house on the best street theory, and we're in the

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Speaker 3: garden very shortly as well. Seventeen to eleven on News Talks.

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Speaker 4: He'd be no.

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Speaker 1: Better way to kick off your weekend then with Jack

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01:08:32,933 --> 01:08:37,973
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talks, they'd be to eleven.

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Speaker 3: News Storks headb Ed McKnight is our personal finance expert

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Speaker 3: from Oby's Partners. He's here with us this morning. Good morning,

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01:08:43,933 --> 01:08:44,573
Speaker 3: great to be here.

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Speaker 20: Jack.

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Speaker 3: Are you counting down the days? Are you? Are you

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01:08:47,133 --> 01:08:48,613
Speaker 3: a Christmas spirit kind of guy?

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01:08:49,613 --> 01:08:52,413
Speaker 20: Signs I've been counting it down since mid November. The

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01:08:52,533 --> 01:08:56,013
Speaker 20: tree is up, that ignog is ordered, and my family

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01:08:56,053 --> 01:08:57,693
Speaker 20: aren't going to be leaving my house. A couple of

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01:08:57,733 --> 01:08:59,373
Speaker 20: kilos heavre come Christmas.

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Speaker 3: I'm pleased to hear ignock. See do you actually do ignog?

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01:09:03,173 --> 01:09:03,293
Speaker 21: Is that?

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01:09:03,293 --> 01:09:04,293
Speaker 3: Are you actually into ignock?

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01:09:05,013 --> 01:09:06,093
Speaker 4: Yeah? But we'll we'll.

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01:09:05,933 --> 01:09:08,053
Speaker 20: Gone by it right. We're not going to be making

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01:09:08,053 --> 01:09:11,573
Speaker 20: this ourselves because my grandma never taught me how to

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01:09:11,613 --> 01:09:12,853
Speaker 20: do that, you see, Jack.

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Speaker 3: No, fair enough. I'm into eggnog in a big way.

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Speaker 3: And when I lived in the States, I used to

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01:09:18,173 --> 01:09:20,493
Speaker 3: love a cheeky little bit of eggnog. But you just

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01:09:20,573 --> 01:09:22,533
Speaker 3: don't see as much in New Zealand. I suppose because

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01:09:22,533 --> 01:09:26,213
Speaker 3: it's warm, right, we don't necessarily want hot drinks. But yeah,

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01:09:26,213 --> 01:09:28,013
Speaker 3: I don't mind a bit of eggnog. So I'm pleased

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01:09:28,013 --> 01:09:31,293
Speaker 3: to hear that. I'm not the only one anyway. No,

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01:09:31,373 --> 01:09:32,653
Speaker 3: you were going to say something wrong.

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Speaker 20: I was going to say, you could always have an

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01:09:33,853 --> 01:09:36,533
Speaker 20: ice jack that'll keep you calling a nice summer's day.

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Speaker 3: That's true. That's true.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: Is it still a good idea to buy the worst

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01:09:40,453 --> 01:09:42,853
Speaker 3: house on the best street. It always feels like that

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01:09:43,013 --> 01:09:46,653
Speaker 3: is the kind of age old advice for anyone looking

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01:09:46,653 --> 01:09:48,453
Speaker 3: for a bit of capital growth in their property.

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01:09:49,573 --> 01:09:51,533
Speaker 20: Well, that is one of the ideas that you often

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01:09:51,533 --> 01:09:53,493
Speaker 20: here and I wanted to understand where did this come

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01:09:53,533 --> 01:09:55,333
Speaker 20: from and is it still a good idea? And I

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01:09:55,333 --> 01:09:58,213
Speaker 20: suppose the idea is that if you buy quite a

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01:09:58,333 --> 01:10:00,653
Speaker 20: cheap house and a really nice suburb and then you

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01:10:00,773 --> 01:10:03,933
Speaker 20: do it up, the kind of feeling for how expensive

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Speaker 20: that property could become hit high. So maybe you'll get

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01:10:07,813 --> 01:10:10,413
Speaker 20: some good games there. I suppose the other thing if

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01:10:10,413 --> 01:10:12,213
Speaker 20: you're buying a house for yourself to live, and you

1413
01:10:12,213 --> 01:10:14,853
Speaker 20: can always change the house, or at least do it up,

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01:10:14,853 --> 01:10:17,893
Speaker 20: but you can't really change the location. Now I've dugn

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01:10:18,053 --> 01:10:20,373
Speaker 20: a little bit more into the numbers, and one of

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01:10:20,413 --> 01:10:23,773
Speaker 20: the questions I had is we'll do house prices go

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01:10:24,013 --> 01:10:28,173
Speaker 20: up faster in some of those hiring suburbs. Well, if

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01:10:28,173 --> 01:10:30,413
Speaker 20: we look at some of the most expensive suburbs and

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01:10:30,453 --> 01:10:33,373
Speaker 20: the country, like Herne Bay. Over the last twenty five years,

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01:10:33,373 --> 01:10:36,693
Speaker 20: house prices have gone up there seven point three percent

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01:10:36,813 --> 01:10:40,573
Speaker 20: per year. In ode Ark or remu Era, both really

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Speaker 20: nice suburbs, house bruce has gone up over the same

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01:10:43,693 --> 01:10:46,573
Speaker 20: period about six point seven percent. But what might surprise

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01:10:46,933 --> 01:10:49,053
Speaker 20: a lot of people is if we look at a

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01:10:49,093 --> 01:10:53,013
Speaker 20: suburb like Otara, which is a more lower socioeconomic suburb,

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01:10:53,213 --> 01:10:56,413
Speaker 20: it's nice but it's not as flash. House prices there

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Speaker 20: actually went up faster over the last twenty five years

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Speaker 20: than some of those nicer suburbs like Odak and remou Era,

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01:11:04,013 --> 01:11:06,293
Speaker 20: at six point nine percent a year. Does that surprise

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01:11:06,413 --> 01:11:07,093
Speaker 20: he would all gaze.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's funny because usually we kind of average

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01:11:10,133 --> 01:11:13,173
Speaker 3: it out across regions or cities. But you know, I

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01:11:13,653 --> 01:11:17,453
Speaker 3: can imagine that in some of those suburbs like or Tarn,

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Speaker 3: there might be more demand for housing. You know, the

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01:11:20,093 --> 01:11:22,653
Speaker 3: population increase in those kinds of spaces will have increased

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01:11:22,653 --> 01:11:25,853
Speaker 3: a lot, and whereas in some of those more affluent suburbs.

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01:11:26,613 --> 01:11:29,333
Speaker 3: Perhaps is that, you know, the land values have increased

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01:11:29,373 --> 01:11:32,093
Speaker 3: a lot, whereas the actual number of people living in

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01:11:32,133 --> 01:11:34,333
Speaker 3: the suburb has increased by so much. So maybe there

1441
01:11:34,333 --> 01:11:37,493
Speaker 3: are kind of different forces at play in different suburbs.

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Speaker 20: There's definitely the case. The other thing I'd say is

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01:11:40,013 --> 01:11:43,573
Speaker 20: you can't take that idea of buy the best at

1444
01:11:43,653 --> 01:11:47,333
Speaker 20: worst house rather in the best street, because if you

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01:11:47,373 --> 01:11:51,373
Speaker 20: take that literally, I found the most expensive street in

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Speaker 20: New Zealand. It's in Herne Bay, which might not surprise you.

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Speaker 20: The cheapest house on that best street quote unquote best

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01:11:57,813 --> 01:12:02,373
Speaker 20: street still cost you three point sixty seven million dollars.

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01:12:03,013 --> 01:12:06,933
Speaker 20: So buying the worst house on the best street probably

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01:12:07,013 --> 01:12:08,973
Speaker 20: is an adoption for most of us.

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01:12:09,173 --> 01:12:12,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something, isn't it. Oh my gosh, three point

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01:12:12,133 --> 01:12:15,173
Speaker 3: sixty seven million. So when might it be a good

1453
01:12:15,173 --> 01:12:18,213
Speaker 3: idea to go with the so called worst house on

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01:12:18,253 --> 01:12:18,773
Speaker 3: the best street.

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01:12:19,333 --> 01:12:20,933
Speaker 20: Well, I think it can be a good idea if

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01:12:20,933 --> 01:12:23,693
Speaker 20: you're going to live in the property, because, especially if

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01:12:23,733 --> 01:12:26,293
Speaker 20: you're in one of our main centers, the school zones

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01:12:26,453 --> 01:12:30,013
Speaker 20: often are zoned, and typically the schools that are thought

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01:12:30,253 --> 01:12:34,053
Speaker 20: to be better often are in those more affluent zones.

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Speaker 20: So let's say you've got a couple of kids our

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01:12:36,573 --> 01:12:39,133
Speaker 20: primary school age. Now you're thinking about where they're going

1462
01:12:39,173 --> 01:12:42,013
Speaker 20: to go to high school. It might be an idea

1463
01:12:42,133 --> 01:12:44,453
Speaker 20: to compromise a little bit on the house to get

1464
01:12:44,493 --> 01:12:47,733
Speaker 20: in that quote unquote better area. The other one is

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01:12:47,773 --> 01:12:50,253
Speaker 20: if you are going to renovate it to do it up,

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01:12:50,333 --> 01:12:53,053
Speaker 20: and you have the money to buy it and do

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01:12:53,133 --> 01:12:55,453
Speaker 20: it up. Whereas I think if you're a long term

1468
01:12:55,613 --> 01:12:57,973
Speaker 20: buy and hold investor, like a lot of people I

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01:12:58,093 --> 01:13:01,333
Speaker 20: work with, you're probably going to buy a house that's

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Speaker 20: a bit cheaper, not the three point six seven million

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01:13:04,213 --> 01:13:08,493
Speaker 20: dollars because typically the the more affordable the house, the

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01:13:08,493 --> 01:13:10,973
Speaker 20: better the rental yield is. If we think about those

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01:13:11,053 --> 01:13:14,373
Speaker 20: really expensive houses, there aren't that many people who are

1474
01:13:14,373 --> 01:13:16,973
Speaker 20: going to rent a three point seven million dollar house

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01:13:17,053 --> 01:13:19,253
Speaker 20: or afford to them. Because of that, the rental yield

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01:13:19,333 --> 01:13:19,973
Speaker 20: is pretty low.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes total sense. Yeah, that makes total sense. Hey,

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01:13:23,813 --> 01:13:25,933
Speaker 3: thank you, Ed, And that's really interesting about those different

1479
01:13:25,933 --> 01:13:27,813
Speaker 3: suburbs as well. So thank you for digging into that

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01:13:27,853 --> 01:13:30,613
Speaker 3: for us. Have a wonderful Christmas and summer break, won't you.

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01:13:31,253 --> 01:13:33,493
Speaker 20: I'll be thinking about yea as I chugged back.

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01:13:33,333 --> 01:13:36,933
Speaker 3: The the ice eggnog. The ice eggnog. Very good. All right,

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01:13:37,173 --> 01:13:39,373
Speaker 3: thanks so much. We'll catch again so an Ed McKnight

1484
01:13:39,413 --> 01:13:40,733
Speaker 3: from Opie's Partners.

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01:13:41,253 --> 01:13:44,053
Speaker 1: Gardening with Still Shop and get dollars off loads of

1486
01:13:44,133 --> 01:13:45,333
Speaker 1: selected still tools.

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01:13:46,493 --> 01:13:48,893
Speaker 3: Time passes in the garden for the final time this year.

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01:13:48,933 --> 01:13:51,773
Speaker 3: Good morning, sir, Ay, very good morning to you.

1489
01:13:51,853 --> 01:13:53,373
Speaker 8: Happy Christmas, Happy New Year.

1490
01:13:53,773 --> 01:13:55,253
Speaker 12: Everything can have a good time.

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01:13:55,533 --> 01:13:59,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, and happy blossoming of the Titan rum.

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01:14:00,173 --> 01:14:04,173
Speaker 8: Yeah that's in at the christ Sheets of course, at

1493
01:14:04,213 --> 01:14:07,293
Speaker 8: the Botannic Guns. Absolutely beautiful. Was going to talk about

1494
01:14:07,293 --> 01:14:08,773
Speaker 8: that because I was going to talk about all the

1495
01:14:08,773 --> 01:14:12,933
Speaker 8: amazing things that happened this year to us basically or

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01:14:12,933 --> 01:14:16,093
Speaker 8: to me or to whatever. And you know what, first,

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01:14:16,173 --> 01:14:19,053
Speaker 8: que I'm going to go totally wrong. First of November

1498
01:14:19,053 --> 01:14:20,453
Speaker 8: this year. What were you doing.

1499
01:14:22,173 --> 01:14:25,133
Speaker 3: I don't know working, Yes, you were.

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01:14:25,813 --> 01:14:31,493
Speaker 8: Do you remember three three young birds being being Yes.

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01:14:31,173 --> 01:14:34,053
Speaker 3: I do, I do. Yes. The birds that were that

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01:14:34,133 --> 01:14:37,173
Speaker 3: were the young black birds that were killed in my garden. Yeah,

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01:14:37,173 --> 01:14:38,053
Speaker 3: by cats.

1504
01:14:38,733 --> 01:14:41,653
Speaker 8: I've put that in. Yeah, I have put that in

1505
01:14:41,813 --> 01:14:45,333
Speaker 8: this year is very important thing because that was actually

1506
01:14:45,333 --> 01:14:48,813
Speaker 8: coincidental with the fact that we were doing predator free

1507
01:14:48,893 --> 01:14:53,293
Speaker 8: work with Jesse Morgan and co. For that exactly that day.

1508
01:14:53,613 --> 01:14:56,413
Speaker 3: Ah right, very good. Well, I'd belaved that I was

1509
01:14:56,493 --> 01:14:58,893
Speaker 3: so timely, but it really grinds my.

1510
01:14:58,893 --> 01:15:02,373
Speaker 8: Gears the same here, and that's why we do these things,

1511
01:15:02,373 --> 01:15:04,333
Speaker 8: you know. I mean, what is that with these cat

1512
01:15:04,413 --> 01:15:07,573
Speaker 8: people that they let their cats go and or anyway,

1513
01:15:07,693 --> 01:15:10,093
Speaker 8: I just thought i'd put that down. Boom, it's there.

1514
01:15:10,173 --> 01:15:11,493
Speaker 8: It's on the in the website.

1515
01:15:11,533 --> 01:15:12,413
Speaker 2: Boom. Just like that.

1516
01:15:13,053 --> 01:15:16,733
Speaker 8: I found something else about creatures doing nasty stuff around

1517
01:15:16,813 --> 01:15:18,653
Speaker 8: the place. And then I'll go to the positive stuff.

1518
01:15:19,133 --> 01:15:22,293
Speaker 8: If you look at wondering albatross on the Marion Islands,

1519
01:15:22,333 --> 01:15:24,573
Speaker 8: which is south of South Africa. You'll find that there

1520
01:15:24,613 --> 01:15:27,693
Speaker 8: are mice, the same species of mouse that we have,

1521
01:15:28,013 --> 01:15:30,653
Speaker 8: the same gorgeous little mouse. Oh lovely, can I even

1522
01:15:30,693 --> 01:15:31,613
Speaker 8: boush to our birthday?

1523
01:15:31,653 --> 01:15:32,373
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.

1524
01:15:32,253 --> 01:15:37,253
Speaker 8: Blah that climbs up this wondering albatross choose the head

1525
01:15:37,413 --> 01:15:42,333
Speaker 8: open and eats the brain and kills the albatross.

1526
01:15:43,133 --> 01:15:45,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just think.

1527
01:15:45,973 --> 01:15:47,933
Speaker 8: We need to know these things.

1528
01:15:47,693 --> 01:15:48,573
Speaker 2: Happen out there.

1529
01:15:48,653 --> 01:15:50,653
Speaker 15: Yeah, you know, yeah, really important.

1530
01:15:51,253 --> 01:15:52,653
Speaker 8: But that's all I'm going to say about it.

1531
01:15:52,693 --> 01:15:54,773
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, good, very good.

1532
01:15:54,733 --> 01:15:55,533
Speaker 4: Come quat.

1533
01:15:55,853 --> 01:15:58,973
Speaker 8: Julie has been always been loved the camp Cuot tree

1534
01:15:59,053 --> 01:16:00,813
Speaker 8: that we have here in the citrus family on the

1535
01:16:00,853 --> 01:16:02,813
Speaker 8: deck and all that sort of stuff, and we've had

1536
01:16:02,853 --> 01:16:06,533
Speaker 8: it for decades and this year not that longagoes. She

1537
01:16:06,693 --> 01:16:08,813
Speaker 8: was having a bit of dinner with some good friends

1538
01:16:08,813 --> 01:16:11,133
Speaker 8: of ours who said, oh, look at this. This is

1539
01:16:11,133 --> 01:16:13,733
Speaker 8: a wonderful mamilae that I made from comp quot and

1540
01:16:13,893 --> 01:16:19,133
Speaker 8: Julie thought that they were ornamental plants all our life,

1541
01:16:19,813 --> 01:16:22,773
Speaker 8: and we made these amazing well, she made these amazing

1542
01:16:23,933 --> 01:16:26,333
Speaker 8: things for the work on bread and things like that.

1543
01:16:26,453 --> 01:16:30,653
Speaker 8: No literally, you know, brand new two weeks ago for

1544
01:16:30,693 --> 01:16:33,413
Speaker 8: the first time in her life. I'm just telling people,

1545
01:16:33,493 --> 01:16:35,453
Speaker 8: if you've got a kum quat and think that they

1546
01:16:35,453 --> 01:16:39,613
Speaker 8: are just work for shure, make them into these wonderful,

1547
01:16:39,693 --> 01:16:42,133
Speaker 8: wonderful citrus things. It's beautiful.

1548
01:16:42,773 --> 01:16:43,893
Speaker 15: Children were so cool.

1549
01:16:44,933 --> 01:16:47,613
Speaker 8: And then there is this other thing we talked about,

1550
01:16:47,893 --> 01:16:50,893
Speaker 8: like and some time ago, and I said, we can't

1551
01:16:50,933 --> 01:16:53,253
Speaker 8: have the time to do everything right now, so I

1552
01:16:53,333 --> 01:16:57,893
Speaker 8: left sixy pavement like and out of the whole conversation

1553
01:16:58,013 --> 01:17:02,293
Speaker 8: we had then. And zanto Parmelia scarbrosa is a scientific

1554
01:17:02,373 --> 01:17:05,333
Speaker 8: name of this thing, and that's been found to have

1555
01:17:05,453 --> 01:17:09,293
Speaker 8: the material in it that you did that pavement likened

1556
01:17:09,373 --> 01:17:13,333
Speaker 8: gross on ashfelt on our roads here and on our yeah, okay,

1557
01:17:13,813 --> 01:17:16,093
Speaker 8: and that stuff has got a material in it that

1558
01:17:16,293 --> 01:17:19,373
Speaker 8: is the same sort of material that they use as

1559
01:17:19,413 --> 01:17:21,693
Speaker 8: the active ingredient for a viagrat.

1560
01:17:24,533 --> 01:17:27,653
Speaker 3: Got that I've got there, I got there, loud clear. Yeah.

1561
01:17:28,093 --> 01:17:31,653
Speaker 8: So the Chinese are scraping it off the road and

1562
01:17:31,813 --> 01:17:35,613
Speaker 8: putting it on all these yeah, these these these things

1563
01:17:35,613 --> 01:17:37,013
Speaker 8: you buy online and all.

1564
01:17:36,893 --> 01:17:37,773
Speaker 12: That sort of stuff.

1565
01:17:38,293 --> 01:17:42,093
Speaker 8: Held warning, Yeah, don't let sexual pavement like and because

1566
01:17:42,093 --> 01:17:48,133
Speaker 8: it's full of stuff you know, uh, I just thought

1567
01:17:48,213 --> 01:17:51,653
Speaker 8: i'd make that point so that you can leave it's

1568
01:17:51,693 --> 01:17:54,053
Speaker 8: all on the website. And then finally at a little

1569
01:17:54,053 --> 01:17:57,173
Speaker 8: big tree company, I got myself a new Metrosedral's Royal

1570
01:17:57,213 --> 01:17:59,893
Speaker 8: Crimson and I've got I put the picture on. It's

1571
01:17:59,933 --> 01:18:04,373
Speaker 8: absolutely gorgeous. It's a Photoicava variety. It's stunning and mine

1572
01:18:04,413 --> 01:18:09,853
Speaker 8: will flower on Chris this day, Happy Christmas.

1573
01:18:09,413 --> 01:18:12,573
Speaker 3: Happy Christmas Road, Thank you so much, have a wonderful

1574
01:18:12,573 --> 01:18:15,093
Speaker 3: break and we will catch you in very soon. It

1575
01:18:15,133 --> 01:18:17,813
Speaker 3: is almost eleven o'clock. You've a Jack Tavid's Saturday morning.

1576
01:18:18,293 --> 01:18:19,853
Speaker 3: This is News Talks. He'd be.

1577
01:18:25,613 --> 01:18:29,453
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack tam keeping the conversation going through

1578
01:18:29,453 --> 01:18:30,733
Speaker 1: the weekend US Talk.

1579
01:18:30,773 --> 01:18:37,693
Speaker 4: Said, b.

1580
01:18:55,253 --> 01:18:57,813
Speaker 3: Code, if you're just joining us this morning, it is

1581
01:18:57,933 --> 01:19:00,293
Speaker 3: so good to have you here, Jack Tame with you

1582
01:19:00,373 --> 01:19:02,813
Speaker 3: for the last hour of our last show of twenty

1583
01:19:02,853 --> 01:19:05,573
Speaker 3: twenty five, counting down the days to the twenty fifth,

1584
01:19:05,573 --> 01:19:07,413
Speaker 3: looking forward to a bit of a summer's break. Just

1585
01:19:07,453 --> 01:19:10,573
Speaker 3: so you know. The black Caps and Windy's have kicked

1586
01:19:10,573 --> 01:19:14,653
Speaker 3: off on what is it, day three of their test

1587
01:19:14,693 --> 01:19:17,053
Speaker 3: at Mount mong Andui. The Windy's currently one hundred and

1588
01:19:17,053 --> 01:19:20,173
Speaker 3: eleven for none. They are four hundred and sixty four

1589
01:19:20,293 --> 01:19:23,893
Speaker 3: runs behind the black Caps first inning score. So I

1590
01:19:23,933 --> 01:19:25,373
Speaker 3: will keep you up to speed if there are any

1591
01:19:25,373 --> 01:19:29,413
Speaker 3: big developments from the game this morning our before Midday

1592
01:19:29,453 --> 01:19:30,893
Speaker 3: on new Stalk, except that we're going to catch up

1593
01:19:30,893 --> 01:19:33,773
Speaker 3: with our book reviewer. We've asked her, so there you go.

1594
01:19:34,733 --> 01:19:37,373
Speaker 3: How about that boom? The black Caps have a worke

1595
01:19:37,413 --> 01:19:40,613
Speaker 3: it ah. Oh that didn't take long, did it. Fantastic?

1596
01:19:40,693 --> 01:19:43,693
Speaker 3: John Campbell has been caught at slip by Tom Latham

1597
01:19:44,413 --> 01:19:46,853
Speaker 3: for forty five so the West Indy is now one

1598
01:19:46,933 --> 01:19:49,133
Speaker 3: hundred and eleven for one one one one for one

1599
01:19:49,853 --> 01:19:52,613
Speaker 3: in that test. Jacob Duffley taking the wicket there. This

1600
01:19:52,653 --> 01:19:56,213
Speaker 3: morning before Midday, our book reviewers and Katon Rains has

1601
01:19:56,253 --> 01:19:58,933
Speaker 3: her top three picks for best fiction and Best non

1602
01:19:59,013 --> 01:20:02,573
Speaker 3: Fiction for twenty twenty five, and our music reviewer has

1603
01:20:02,613 --> 01:20:05,653
Speaker 3: his take for best Song, Best Album, and best concert

1604
01:20:05,693 --> 01:20:07,213
Speaker 3: of the year as well. El soo looking forward to

1605
01:20:07,293 --> 01:20:11,613
Speaker 3: that right now it's eight minutes past eleven. While I'm

1606
01:20:11,733 --> 01:20:15,053
Speaker 3: very much looking forward to a break into Christmas, not

1607
01:20:15,333 --> 01:20:18,253
Speaker 3: everyone looks forward to the twenty fifth. Apparently there is

1608
01:20:18,293 --> 01:20:22,973
Speaker 3: a thing called Christogena ticophobia. Got that Christa jena ticophobia.

1609
01:20:23,333 --> 01:20:25,493
Speaker 3: I'm not even sure it would fit on a scrabble board,

1610
01:20:25,573 --> 01:20:28,693
Speaker 3: let alone when you a bonus for a triple word score.

1611
01:20:29,093 --> 01:20:31,773
Speaker 3: But doogle Southerlan from Umbrella Well Being is here with

1612
01:20:31,853 --> 01:20:35,093
Speaker 3: us this morning to explain exactly what christa jen tecophobia

1613
01:20:35,213 --> 01:20:37,173
Speaker 3: actually is. Is it really a phobia?

1614
01:20:37,253 --> 01:20:39,173
Speaker 4: Doodle o, I killed a jacker.

1615
01:20:39,613 --> 01:20:41,533
Speaker 15: That would be a score of like nine million on

1616
01:20:42,853 --> 01:20:46,013
Speaker 15: if you actually got it. No, it's not really. I

1617
01:20:46,333 --> 01:20:48,653
Speaker 15: actually came across this week or two ago.

1618
01:20:48,693 --> 01:20:49,853
Speaker 2: I went that a real thing.

1619
01:20:51,373 --> 01:20:55,013
Speaker 15: The Greek translation, apparently, because all things get translated from Greek,

1620
01:20:55,133 --> 01:21:00,853
Speaker 15: is literally Christ related birth fear. So but there you go.

1621
01:21:01,053 --> 01:21:04,933
Speaker 15: But it's no, it's not really a phobia. I think

1622
01:21:04,933 --> 01:21:07,773
Speaker 15: it's a it's a it's more of a reminder that,

1623
01:21:07,853 --> 01:21:10,533
Speaker 15: you know, sometimes some of us feel awkward at particular

1624
01:21:10,693 --> 01:21:15,813
Speaker 15: times or don't enjoy things that others that others do enjoy. Now,

1625
01:21:16,013 --> 01:21:18,733
Speaker 15: there are some other non phobias as well that you

1626
01:21:18,813 --> 01:21:22,053
Speaker 15: sort of cover. There's no mophobia, which is fear of

1627
01:21:22,133 --> 01:21:23,653
Speaker 15: no mobile phones.

1628
01:21:25,253 --> 01:21:26,213
Speaker 3: No mustaches.

1629
01:21:26,773 --> 01:21:29,693
Speaker 15: Yeah, well that would have been a good one. Yeah,

1630
01:21:29,773 --> 01:21:33,213
Speaker 15: fear of a bald face. There's the side of phobia,

1631
01:21:33,253 --> 01:21:37,213
Speaker 15: which is fear of making decisions, and there is ergophobia,

1632
01:21:37,253 --> 01:21:40,813
Speaker 15: which is fear of work, which many people at this time, yeah,

1633
01:21:40,813 --> 01:21:45,733
Speaker 15: perhaps are experiencing or fear of returning to work at least,

1634
01:21:46,213 --> 01:21:50,413
Speaker 15: but they're not really super you know, they're not serious phobus.

1635
01:21:50,413 --> 01:21:52,213
Speaker 2: But it's a good idea.

1636
01:21:51,933 --> 01:21:54,773
Speaker 15: To kind of think about, Yeah, well, is everybody going

1637
01:21:54,853 --> 01:21:56,853
Speaker 15: to be finding this time of year really all that happy?

1638
01:21:57,173 --> 01:21:59,453
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, and I suppose they're not. I mean, like

1639
01:22:00,013 --> 01:22:02,093
Speaker 3: you know, this time of year does come with it,

1640
01:22:02,093 --> 01:22:04,653
Speaker 3: it's fair fhere of stresses. So if you are someone

1641
01:22:04,653 --> 01:22:07,653
Speaker 3: who not necessarily dreads chriss but you know, it doesn't

1642
01:22:08,013 --> 01:22:10,573
Speaker 3: lean in quite so hard as as some others, I

1643
01:22:10,613 --> 01:22:12,013
Speaker 3: suppose it's totally understandable.

1644
01:22:12,653 --> 01:22:12,933
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1645
01:22:12,973 --> 01:22:13,453
Speaker 7: Absolutely.

1646
01:22:13,533 --> 01:22:15,733
Speaker 15: I mean, if you think about Christmas, there's lots of

1647
01:22:15,773 --> 01:22:18,253
Speaker 15: socializing and going out, and if you know, if you

1648
01:22:18,293 --> 01:22:21,253
Speaker 15: struggle a bit with that, with social relationships, you're a

1649
01:22:21,293 --> 01:22:23,693
Speaker 15: bit more introverted, you you might find out a little

1650
01:22:23,733 --> 01:22:28,933
Speaker 15: bit more difficult to tolerate. You know, as I'm sure

1651
01:22:28,573 --> 01:22:31,893
Speaker 15: you have good firsthand experience, and often there's that pressure

1652
01:22:31,933 --> 01:22:35,973
Speaker 15: for pearance to be buying big presents and the latest thing,

1653
01:22:36,053 --> 01:22:38,373
Speaker 15: and you know, for many families they've done it hard

1654
01:22:38,453 --> 01:22:41,773
Speaker 15: this year with redundancies and the cost of living, and

1655
01:22:41,813 --> 01:22:45,733
Speaker 15: that can be a real struggle. And also, of course,

1656
01:22:45,773 --> 01:22:48,253
Speaker 15: you know, even you know, further down there's those people

1657
01:22:48,253 --> 01:22:50,893
Speaker 15: that will be really struggling to put food on the

1658
01:22:50,933 --> 01:22:55,093
Speaker 15: table at all, and you know, getting getting perhaps worse

1659
01:22:55,133 --> 01:22:58,573
Speaker 15: in our current sort of economic environment. So you know,

1660
01:22:58,653 --> 01:23:00,893
Speaker 15: I think, I think, you know, i'd encourage people to

1661
01:23:01,613 --> 01:23:06,093
Speaker 15: fully enjoy themselves this Christmas and will be with theirs

1662
01:23:06,133 --> 01:23:09,293
Speaker 15: and their loved loved ones, but also to kind of

1663
01:23:09,333 --> 01:23:11,653
Speaker 15: think about is there anything I can do to actually

1664
01:23:11,693 --> 01:23:15,693
Speaker 15: reach out and make somebody else's Christmas that extra little

1665
01:23:15,733 --> 01:23:16,693
Speaker 15: bit special as well.

1666
01:23:16,813 --> 01:23:19,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good message. So back to phobias.

1667
01:23:19,573 --> 01:23:22,853
Speaker 3: Can you have a phobia of pretty much anything?

1668
01:23:23,613 --> 01:23:28,773
Speaker 15: Well, yeah, technically you probably can. There are some really

1669
01:23:28,893 --> 01:23:33,093
Speaker 15: common ones that people are actually if I just as

1670
01:23:33,133 --> 01:23:35,293
Speaker 15: an aside, I've seen some quite bizarre ones. I've seen

1671
01:23:35,693 --> 01:23:38,853
Speaker 15: A friend of mine was super super phobic of not

1672
01:23:38,853 --> 01:23:42,013
Speaker 15: not not just birds, but specifically pigeons and would really

1673
01:23:42,053 --> 01:23:43,853
Speaker 15: freak out if they sort of you know how they

1674
01:23:44,053 --> 01:23:47,133
Speaker 15: sort of tend to fly up quite close to your face.

1675
01:23:47,333 --> 01:23:50,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they sit in the bar plane sometimes and

1676
01:23:50,253 --> 01:23:53,613
Speaker 3: I honestly think yes, yes, yeah, I'm going to they

1677
01:23:53,653 --> 01:23:56,813
Speaker 3: just leave it so late. This is really bold.

1678
01:23:57,893 --> 01:24:02,533
Speaker 15: Yeah yeah, yeah, So that I've met somebody that had

1679
01:24:02,533 --> 01:24:04,733
Speaker 15: a fear of hospitals, and that was to the point

1680
01:24:04,813 --> 01:24:08,813
Speaker 15: that they would often not leave the house because that

1681
01:24:08,973 --> 01:24:11,413
Speaker 15: there kind of chain of thought when something might happen.

1682
01:24:11,413 --> 01:24:13,453
Speaker 15: I might go out for lunch and I'd start choking

1683
01:24:13,493 --> 01:24:15,013
Speaker 15: and they call the ambulance and then I have to

1684
01:24:15,053 --> 01:24:17,133
Speaker 15: go to hospital, and I hate hospitals.

1685
01:24:17,213 --> 01:24:18,373
Speaker 7: So that was that was.

1686
01:24:18,373 --> 01:24:21,213
Speaker 15: A real phobia. And then two people this is and

1687
01:24:21,253 --> 01:24:22,893
Speaker 15: these are colleagues of one that I used to work with,

1688
01:24:22,893 --> 01:24:25,853
Speaker 15: two separate people that had banana phobias, which was which

1689
01:24:25,973 --> 01:24:29,333
Speaker 15: was quite unusual. And when we're talking phobias, I think,

1690
01:24:29,373 --> 01:24:31,493
Speaker 15: good to you know, everybody kind of talks about all,

1691
01:24:31,533 --> 01:24:34,173
Speaker 15: I've got a phobia of heights or whatever, and we

1692
01:24:34,213 --> 01:24:37,173
Speaker 15: mean clinically when we're talking about phobias, like a really

1693
01:24:37,333 --> 01:24:40,653
Speaker 15: really really intense fear, not just a I don't really

1694
01:24:40,773 --> 01:24:44,453
Speaker 15: like them. Yeah, and that you that you do lots

1695
01:24:44,493 --> 01:24:47,053
Speaker 15: and lots to try and avoid those. And perhaps that

1696
01:24:47,133 --> 01:24:50,773
Speaker 15: person that I described earlier with the hospital phobia, you

1697
01:24:50,813 --> 01:24:52,813
Speaker 15: know that that was an example of going great legs

1698
01:24:52,813 --> 01:24:53,253
Speaker 15: to a rider.

1699
01:24:53,373 --> 01:24:56,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's really impacting their life, and it's.

1700
01:24:56,253 --> 01:24:58,813
Speaker 15: Really impacting their life. But you look at it's we

1701
01:24:58,853 --> 01:25:02,093
Speaker 15: think theoretically you can have a phobia almost anything. There

1702
01:25:02,133 --> 01:25:07,053
Speaker 15: was a famous ethically dubious, somewhat psychology experiment in the

1703
01:25:07,173 --> 01:25:11,733
Speaker 15: nineteen twenties where a famous psychologist did an experiment on

1704
01:25:11,733 --> 01:25:14,453
Speaker 15: his own nine month old child. So don't recommend you're

1705
01:25:14,453 --> 01:25:18,853
Speaker 15: doing this on your son. And they paired a white rat,

1706
01:25:20,093 --> 01:25:22,413
Speaker 15: not a tame one, with a really loud sound, a

1707
01:25:22,453 --> 01:25:27,133
Speaker 15: really loud bang, and the baby went from being completely

1708
01:25:27,173 --> 01:25:29,773
Speaker 15: fine around the rat being quite scared of it, and

1709
01:25:29,813 --> 01:25:32,493
Speaker 15: then that fear started to generalize to anything that was

1710
01:25:32,533 --> 01:25:37,093
Speaker 15: white and fluffy, including teddy bears. So they were trying

1711
01:25:37,093 --> 01:25:39,333
Speaker 15: to sort of establish that maybe you can be afraid

1712
01:25:39,373 --> 01:25:42,013
Speaker 15: of anything, or establish a fear of anything, and that

1713
01:25:42,053 --> 01:25:44,853
Speaker 15: can grow to sort of very things that are similar

1714
01:25:44,853 --> 01:25:47,493
Speaker 15: to it. So yeah, technically you probably can have a

1715
01:25:47,493 --> 01:25:50,093
Speaker 15: phobia or anything, maybe including Christmas.

1716
01:25:49,693 --> 01:25:52,653
Speaker 3: On the Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I think I've seen

1717
01:25:52,653 --> 01:25:55,293
Speaker 3: a video on social media and tell you about the

1718
01:25:55,373 --> 01:25:58,133
Speaker 3: kind of accounts that I've followed, what my algorithm's doing

1719
01:25:58,173 --> 01:26:02,733
Speaker 3: to me that shows a group of babies with a python,

1720
01:26:03,933 --> 01:26:07,733
Speaker 3: a python kind of slithering around them. Obviously controlled environment,

1721
01:26:07,773 --> 01:26:10,893
Speaker 3: but the video is going that, well, yeah, but they're

1722
01:26:10,893 --> 01:26:13,333
Speaker 3: not they're not scared. I think it's a python. Python's

1723
01:26:13,333 --> 01:26:17,613
Speaker 3: an't venous, are they? Well, this one you don't know anyway.

1724
01:26:17,653 --> 01:26:21,013
Speaker 3: So they've got a large snake. Yeah, and it's not

1725
01:26:21,013 --> 01:26:23,893
Speaker 3: a venomous snake. But the point is that the kids

1726
01:26:23,893 --> 01:26:27,653
Speaker 3: aren't skied of it because they just kind of just

1727
01:26:27,733 --> 01:26:30,093
Speaker 3: sitting there and the snake's kind of slithering around them

1728
01:26:30,093 --> 01:26:30,653
Speaker 3: and they're all just thing.

1729
01:26:30,653 --> 01:26:35,053
Speaker 15: Oh but yeah, yeah, I certainly come across people, you know,

1730
01:26:35,213 --> 01:26:37,813
Speaker 15: post those sort of big storms in the North Island.

1731
01:26:37,813 --> 01:26:39,653
Speaker 15: You know, they're really big ones a couple of years

1732
01:26:39,653 --> 01:26:43,013
Speaker 15: ago who had a real fear and probably verging on

1733
01:26:43,053 --> 01:26:46,013
Speaker 15: a phobia of of you know, rain and big weather

1734
01:26:46,053 --> 01:26:52,853
Speaker 15: storms every Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes perfect sense,

1735
01:26:52,853 --> 01:26:54,613
Speaker 15: and it's just our body's way of sort of trying

1736
01:26:54,613 --> 01:26:55,973
Speaker 15: to keep us safe.

1737
01:26:56,013 --> 01:26:57,853
Speaker 7: But it sort of has has like a fire.

1738
01:26:57,653 --> 01:27:00,773
Speaker 15: Alarm that kind of gives off too many false alarms

1739
01:27:00,813 --> 01:27:02,653
Speaker 15: and sort of that's going off all the time. But

1740
01:27:03,133 --> 01:27:06,533
Speaker 15: rest assured. They are pretty readily curable by psychologist. So

1741
01:27:06,813 --> 01:27:08,293
Speaker 15: if you've got a phobia. You don't really have to

1742
01:27:08,293 --> 01:27:10,613
Speaker 15: suffer from it nowadays that they are pretty treatable.

1743
01:27:10,653 --> 01:27:15,413
Speaker 3: Oh that's good. Oh yeah, yeah, your life doesn't if

1744
01:27:15,413 --> 01:27:18,613
Speaker 3: you do. I definitely don't. I don't have any big phobias.

1745
01:27:18,613 --> 01:27:21,613
Speaker 3: There's nothing that makes my life materially worse. But I do.

1746
01:27:21,693 --> 01:27:25,173
Speaker 3: If there was one thing that I don't like that

1747
01:27:25,253 --> 01:27:26,693
Speaker 3: I would have, you know that I would say, oh,

1748
01:27:26,853 --> 01:27:29,413
Speaker 3: I've got a phobia. Yeah, this is going to get

1749
01:27:29,573 --> 01:27:35,213
Speaker 3: a bit left field. Balloons. Oh yeah, the reason being

1750
01:27:35,213 --> 01:27:37,853
Speaker 3: I don't trust them, and I'm waiting for them, and

1751
01:27:37,973 --> 01:27:40,493
Speaker 3: especially like especially if there are loose balloons like on

1752
01:27:40,573 --> 01:27:43,333
Speaker 3: the floor or something, I'm just waiting for someone to

1753
01:27:43,373 --> 01:27:45,893
Speaker 3: stand on or to pop it. And it gives me

1754
01:27:45,973 --> 01:27:47,973
Speaker 3: like a sense of anxiety. I'm just waiting for a

1755
01:27:48,013 --> 01:27:51,173
Speaker 3: loud noise. I know that seems ridiculous. I just don't. Well,

1756
01:27:51,533 --> 01:27:53,253
Speaker 3: I just I just don't. I don't like and you

1757
01:27:53,293 --> 01:27:55,413
Speaker 3: know sometimes I just burst when you're not expecting it,

1758
01:27:55,493 --> 01:27:58,093
Speaker 3: and just anyway, for whatever reason it is, I don't.

1759
01:27:58,133 --> 01:27:59,173
Speaker 3: I don't love balloons.

1760
01:27:59,693 --> 01:28:02,453
Speaker 15: It's almost a classic description because many people for their

1761
01:28:02,493 --> 01:28:04,773
Speaker 15: phobias say, hey, look, I know it's a bit stupid.

1762
01:28:04,773 --> 01:28:07,693
Speaker 15: I know, it seems unrealistic and at the moment, you know,

1763
01:28:07,773 --> 01:28:10,053
Speaker 15: in the moment, I actually feel quite you know, quite

1764
01:28:10,053 --> 01:28:10,933
Speaker 15: weirded out by it.

1765
01:28:11,173 --> 01:28:11,413
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1766
01:28:11,853 --> 01:28:14,813
Speaker 15: So yeah, well, good luck for the future birthday party.

1767
01:28:14,893 --> 01:28:19,533
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly exactly. I mean, my my dislike of balloons

1768
01:28:19,573 --> 01:28:22,133
Speaker 3: isn't so intent that I that we don't you know,

1769
01:28:22,293 --> 01:28:24,413
Speaker 3: that we avoid or anything like that, But it's just

1770
01:28:24,733 --> 01:28:27,333
Speaker 3: I just don't just you know, if they're loose on

1771
01:28:27,373 --> 01:28:29,413
Speaker 3: the ground and there are kids playing with them, that

1772
01:28:29,533 --> 01:28:31,693
Speaker 3: always annoying, just because I know that they're going to

1773
01:28:31,693 --> 01:28:33,253
Speaker 3: be a loud bang, but I don't know where the

1774
01:28:33,253 --> 01:28:35,533
Speaker 3: band's coming. I think that's what I don't like of it.

1775
01:28:35,853 --> 01:28:37,573
Speaker 15: Yeah, I just said, there's imge of you sort of

1776
01:28:37,573 --> 01:28:40,453
Speaker 15: tiptoeing around at birthday parties, I know, you know, walking

1777
01:28:40,493 --> 01:28:46,933
Speaker 15: on each kids. Yeah, yeah, anywhere treatable if you see

1778
01:28:47,053 --> 01:28:47,413
Speaker 15: a good.

1779
01:28:47,293 --> 01:28:51,573
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly exactly. Of coursely optimistic. It hasn't yet reached

1780
01:28:51,573 --> 01:28:54,653
Speaker 3: that threshold, but yeah, good, Hey, have a great Christmas.

1781
01:28:54,733 --> 01:28:57,373
Speaker 3: Thank you for a fantastic here in twenty twenty five, Google,

1782
01:28:57,733 --> 01:29:00,493
Speaker 3: enjoy your break and we will catch again very soon.

1783
01:29:00,693 --> 01:29:03,413
Speaker 3: Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being. We're catching up with

1784
01:29:03,413 --> 01:29:06,293
Speaker 3: that travel correspondent. Next, he is looking at the Causeway

1785
01:29:06,573 --> 01:29:11,733
Speaker 3: Coast in Northern Ireland seventeen past eleven travel.

1786
01:29:11,533 --> 01:29:15,373
Speaker 1: With Windy wo Tours Where the World is Yours bok now.

1787
01:29:15,373 --> 01:29:17,853
Speaker 3: Twenty past eleven on New Storks. He'd be Mike Yardley

1788
01:29:18,013 --> 01:29:20,533
Speaker 3: is our travel will correspondent. He's been in the Christmas

1789
01:29:20,573 --> 01:29:23,413
Speaker 3: spirit for well for about twelve months a year. But yeah,

1790
01:29:23,533 --> 01:29:25,013
Speaker 3: how long we had your decorations up for?

1791
01:29:25,053 --> 01:29:25,213
Speaker 8: Now?

1792
01:29:25,453 --> 01:29:26,773
Speaker 3: Six weeks? Eight weeks.

1793
01:29:28,173 --> 01:29:32,213
Speaker 2: Since October twenty five? What's that? Yeah? Far too many weeks, Jack.

1794
01:29:32,413 --> 01:29:36,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. Yeah, I mean it's it's action stations now,

1795
01:29:36,093 --> 01:29:38,413
Speaker 3: so presumably you have nothing left to organize for the

1796
01:29:38,453 --> 01:29:39,293
Speaker 3: big day itself.

1797
01:29:40,333 --> 01:29:43,293
Speaker 22: I was just scouting to Libby that I've been gift

1798
01:29:43,333 --> 01:29:46,453
Speaker 22: wrapping presents under the tree. The tree looks complete with

1799
01:29:46,533 --> 01:29:49,533
Speaker 22: the presents now, so yeah, we're we're pretty much there.

1800
01:29:49,733 --> 01:29:51,773
Speaker 3: I'm pleased to hear it. Very good. Hey, we're tripping

1801
01:29:51,893 --> 01:29:55,173
Speaker 3: the Causeway Coast in Northern Ireland this morning, So how

1802
01:29:55,213 --> 01:29:57,653
Speaker 3: long is the recommended touring route?

1803
01:29:59,133 --> 01:29:59,333
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1804
01:29:59,333 --> 01:30:02,973
Speaker 22: Well, I reckon in the pantheon of golden travel experiences, Jack,

1805
01:30:03,053 --> 01:30:05,293
Speaker 22: you can't beat a really good road trip.

1806
01:30:05,373 --> 01:30:07,093
Speaker 2: And the thing about the court Way Coast.

1807
01:30:07,173 --> 01:30:10,253
Speaker 22: Is that distance wise, it's only one hundred and eighty

1808
01:30:10,333 --> 01:30:14,973
Speaker 22: k on the clock from Dairy to Belfast. But even

1809
01:30:14,973 --> 01:30:17,333
Speaker 22: though that sounds like a very short and sweet road trip,

1810
01:30:18,013 --> 01:30:22,733
Speaker 22: it's actually very misleading because that route is choc a

1811
01:30:22,813 --> 01:30:29,453
Speaker 22: block with roadside confections. You've got ancient castles, wizardly rock formations,

1812
01:30:29,973 --> 01:30:35,533
Speaker 22: Hollywood filming locations, amazing seaside villages, and epic landscape. So

1813
01:30:36,093 --> 01:30:39,813
Speaker 22: you'll definitely want to chunk that one hundred and eighty

1814
01:30:39,893 --> 01:30:42,453
Speaker 22: k up into several nights.

1815
01:30:42,493 --> 01:30:42,893
Speaker 2: At least.

1816
01:30:42,893 --> 01:30:45,773
Speaker 22: A lot of people actually spend a good two weeks

1817
01:30:45,813 --> 01:30:47,333
Speaker 22: on that Causeway Coast route.

1818
01:30:47,333 --> 01:30:48,933
Speaker 2: It is just so goddamn good.

1819
01:30:49,053 --> 01:30:52,213
Speaker 3: No, that's amazing. So what is the most dramatic castle

1820
01:30:52,293 --> 01:30:52,973
Speaker 3: to check out?

1821
01:30:54,173 --> 01:30:55,573
Speaker 22: Yeah, well, if you look at a map of the

1822
01:30:55,573 --> 01:30:58,773
Speaker 22: Causeway Coast, castles are thick on the ground. But I

1823
01:30:58,933 --> 01:31:03,853
Speaker 22: do like a castle jack served, crumbly, even decrepit, with

1824
01:31:03,933 --> 01:31:09,253
Speaker 22: all of those faded, glory scarred feels and dunloose.

1825
01:31:09,293 --> 01:31:10,733
Speaker 2: Castle stole my heart.

1826
01:31:11,173 --> 01:31:15,253
Speaker 22: This one clings to the cliffs high above a turning ocean,

1827
01:31:15,853 --> 01:31:19,973
Speaker 22: wind walloped, and it's on a basalt outcrop. And this

1828
01:31:20,093 --> 01:31:25,133
Speaker 22: medieval stronghold was actually owned by the McDonnell clan. It

1829
01:31:25,253 --> 01:31:27,653
Speaker 22: fell into disrepair three hundred years ago. There are so

1830
01:31:27,733 --> 01:31:29,893
Speaker 22: many cool stories about this castle. The one I love

1831
01:31:29,973 --> 01:31:33,493
Speaker 22: the most is the fact that shortly before it fell

1832
01:31:33,533 --> 01:31:37,693
Speaker 22: into decline, part of the castle's kitchen fell into the ocean,

1833
01:31:39,213 --> 01:31:43,893
Speaker 22: and only the kitchen boy survived, and he did so

1834
01:31:44,053 --> 01:31:47,333
Speaker 22: because he was obviously quite intuitive. He tucked himself away

1835
01:31:47,373 --> 01:31:51,573
Speaker 22: in the strongest corner of the room. But yeah, the

1836
01:31:51,653 --> 01:31:55,053
Speaker 22: kitchen fell into the Atlantic. The facade of this castle

1837
01:31:55,213 --> 01:31:58,173
Speaker 22: on the cliff remains today, Jack, and it really is

1838
01:31:58,213 --> 01:32:00,733
Speaker 22: a stunning site and as you could imagine, it's an

1839
01:32:00,733 --> 01:32:01,293
Speaker 22: insta hero.

1840
01:32:01,573 --> 01:32:04,173
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, of course, speaking of this is a Game

1841
01:32:04,333 --> 01:32:06,053
Speaker 3: Thrones turf, isn't it.

1842
01:32:06,693 --> 01:32:09,373
Speaker 22: Oh yeah, if you are a set jester, you could

1843
01:32:09,453 --> 01:32:14,413
Speaker 22: actually design your entire touring route on the Causeway coast

1844
01:32:14,573 --> 01:32:17,853
Speaker 22: into a got roadie because there were just so many

1845
01:32:17,893 --> 01:32:22,093
Speaker 22: shooting locations they used, so Dunloose featured regularly on Thrones,

1846
01:32:22,933 --> 01:32:25,933
Speaker 22: as did Balentoy Harbor. The Money shot I reckon is

1847
01:32:25,973 --> 01:32:29,053
Speaker 22: the Dark Edges, so they are just in land from

1848
01:32:29,093 --> 01:32:32,613
Speaker 22: the coast in Balley Money, and that's that very iconic

1849
01:32:32,653 --> 01:32:37,933
Speaker 22: avenue of eighty gnarly intertwined beach trees. So these trees

1850
01:32:37,973 --> 01:32:40,493
Speaker 22: were planted in the eighteenth century. They were cast as

1851
01:32:40,573 --> 01:32:45,213
Speaker 22: King's Road in Thrones, and it's become a chronic victim

1852
01:32:45,213 --> 01:32:48,533
Speaker 22: of over tourism. So the best thing to do to

1853
01:32:48,653 --> 01:32:51,813
Speaker 22: dodge the hordes is go there at daybreak. Do not

1854
01:32:51,893 --> 01:32:53,773
Speaker 22: go there after nine o'clock in the morning. It's just

1855
01:32:53,893 --> 01:32:58,173
Speaker 22: crowded and the traffic is just horrendous in terms of parking.

1856
01:32:58,733 --> 01:33:02,173
Speaker 22: I did not see anyone else there at seven in

1857
01:33:02,213 --> 01:33:05,413
Speaker 22: the morning, not even the gray Lady Jack, who was

1858
01:33:05,453 --> 01:33:09,973
Speaker 22: the legendary goot who drifts silently between the trees. So

1859
01:33:10,013 --> 01:33:11,373
Speaker 22: I was pleased not to see here.

1860
01:33:11,653 --> 01:33:13,453
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, for the sake of a couple of hours,

1861
01:33:13,493 --> 01:33:15,453
Speaker 3: just getting outside earlier. And it sounds like it's one

1862
01:33:15,493 --> 01:33:17,653
Speaker 3: with Yeah, what would be the best time to go

1863
01:33:17,693 --> 01:33:18,773
Speaker 3: to the Giants Causeway?

1864
01:33:19,813 --> 01:33:24,133
Speaker 22: Yeah, well, obviously it's another big drawer and the namesake

1865
01:33:24,173 --> 01:33:27,733
Speaker 22: of the coast really the Giants Causeway. It's a volcanic marble.

1866
01:33:28,573 --> 01:33:30,933
Speaker 22: You want, you will want a time it for low tide,

1867
01:33:30,933 --> 01:33:35,693
Speaker 22: So check the tide times because it just reveals so

1868
01:33:35,813 --> 01:33:38,413
Speaker 22: much more of its glory at low tide. You've got

1869
01:33:38,413 --> 01:33:45,533
Speaker 22: these forty thousand basalt hexagonal blocks and columns reaching out

1870
01:33:45,533 --> 01:33:49,293
Speaker 22: into the ocean, and those columns are like these primal

1871
01:33:49,573 --> 01:33:53,573
Speaker 22: pistons thrusting out of the earth deeper and deeper into

1872
01:33:53,613 --> 01:33:56,853
Speaker 22: the sea. And you can actually take your chances add

1873
01:33:56,933 --> 01:33:59,653
Speaker 22: low tide and clamber your way across all of these

1874
01:33:59,693 --> 01:34:03,373
Speaker 22: interlocking formations as the waves thunder and but it really

1875
01:34:03,453 --> 01:34:04,853
Speaker 22: is an ethereal spectacle.

1876
01:34:05,293 --> 01:34:07,653
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, what time of day.

1877
01:34:07,453 --> 01:34:10,373
Speaker 22: It is that low tide strikes, there will be big crowds,

1878
01:34:10,373 --> 01:34:12,693
Speaker 22: so you've just got to suck it in and expect that.

1879
01:34:13,173 --> 01:34:17,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, just down the road is that village of

1880
01:34:17,133 --> 01:34:18,733
Speaker 3: bush Mills, right, what's special about it?

1881
01:34:19,213 --> 01:34:22,333
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's such a good overnight base to break up

1882
01:34:22,333 --> 01:34:25,253
Speaker 22: the trip. But the thing about bosh Mills is the distillery,

1883
01:34:25,413 --> 01:34:31,053
Speaker 22: Old bosh Mills Distillery. This is the world's oldest licensed distillery,

1884
01:34:31,133 --> 01:34:35,533
Speaker 22: so they've been turning out whiskey here since sixteen eight.

1885
01:34:36,773 --> 01:34:40,933
Speaker 22: Jemison's would be the biggest selling Irish whiskey. But like Jemmy's,

1886
01:34:41,093 --> 01:34:45,253
Speaker 22: bush Mills is single mold and triple distilled for smoothness.

1887
01:34:45,573 --> 01:34:49,333
Speaker 22: If you like your whiskey with that sort of multi

1888
01:34:49,613 --> 01:34:54,013
Speaker 22: richness and a hint of honey and spice Man Bosh Mills.

1889
01:34:54,093 --> 01:34:54,773
Speaker 2: It's the spot.

1890
01:34:55,253 --> 01:34:58,573
Speaker 22: The distillery tours, Jack, obviously because of the history. They're

1891
01:34:58,773 --> 01:35:02,013
Speaker 22: really good, So definitely do a distillery tour along with

1892
01:35:02,053 --> 01:35:02,733
Speaker 22: a few DRAMs.

1893
01:35:03,213 --> 01:35:05,573
Speaker 3: Okay, what was your biggest coastal thrill.

1894
01:35:07,493 --> 01:35:11,813
Speaker 22: Well, for a literal cliffhanger, you've got to take a

1895
01:35:11,853 --> 01:35:15,653
Speaker 22: walk across the Carrica Red rope Bridge. So this connects

1896
01:35:15,733 --> 01:35:19,813
Speaker 22: the mainland with the rocky outcrop of Carrick Island. And

1897
01:35:19,893 --> 01:35:23,213
Speaker 22: this rope bridge, Jack, was first established nearly three hundred

1898
01:35:23,253 --> 01:35:26,173
Speaker 22: years ago by salmon fishermen. So they'd go out to

1899
01:35:26,213 --> 01:35:29,533
Speaker 22: the island, box up their catch and carry it back

1900
01:35:29,533 --> 01:35:33,173
Speaker 22: to the mainland on this rope bridge and it sways

1901
01:35:33,613 --> 01:35:37,933
Speaker 22: across this wind blasted chasm high above the ocean.

1902
01:35:38,093 --> 01:35:40,973
Speaker 2: You're like you just look down directly beneath you. The

1903
01:35:41,013 --> 01:35:42,813
Speaker 2: ocean is roiling.

1904
01:35:43,973 --> 01:35:47,453
Speaker 22: No one has ever lost their lives.

1905
01:35:47,013 --> 01:35:49,573
Speaker 2: Falling off this bridge, which is quite an impressive feet

1906
01:35:50,733 --> 01:35:52,173
Speaker 2: but it is such a.

1907
01:35:52,213 --> 01:35:55,093
Speaker 22: Thrill to walk in their footsteps today. I was pleased

1908
01:35:55,093 --> 01:35:58,813
Speaker 22: to learn Jack that the ropes have been strengthened and

1909
01:35:59,453 --> 01:36:01,813
Speaker 22: they can withstand the weight of a double decker bus,

1910
01:36:01,813 --> 01:36:05,973
Speaker 22: which was very reassuring after I digested my full Irish breakfast.

1911
01:36:06,053 --> 01:36:11,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will hope that we're able to maintain that

1912
01:36:11,373 --> 01:36:13,213
Speaker 3: record as well, because it's funny when you think of

1913
01:36:13,213 --> 01:36:15,653
Speaker 3: swing bridge as usually like in New Zealand, you think

1914
01:36:15,653 --> 01:36:18,053
Speaker 3: of them as being over rivers as opposed to being

1915
01:36:18,093 --> 01:36:20,173
Speaker 3: over the ocean. I suppose there aren't many opportunities for

1916
01:36:20,173 --> 01:36:22,773
Speaker 3: it to be over the ocean. So nice and heading.

1917
01:36:22,533 --> 01:36:28,613
Speaker 22: Inland, yes, I just say generally our ones have steel, yes.

1918
01:36:28,373 --> 01:36:31,933
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, as opposed to just rope, yeah, just rope.

1919
01:36:32,893 --> 01:36:34,933
Speaker 3: And so if you head inland from the coast, the

1920
01:36:34,973 --> 01:36:39,013
Speaker 3: Glens of Antrim series of valleys, right, are they impressive?

1921
01:36:39,973 --> 01:36:40,173
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1922
01:36:40,213 --> 01:36:44,373
Speaker 22: They really are definitely worth time to explore. So turning

1923
01:36:44,453 --> 01:36:48,813
Speaker 22: south towards Belfast, just head off the coast into these glens.

1924
01:36:48,853 --> 01:36:53,613
Speaker 22: These are nine magnificent valleys, really deep valleys that jutton

1925
01:36:53,693 --> 01:36:56,293
Speaker 22: from the coast. So you've got rolling hills and lush

1926
01:36:56,333 --> 01:37:01,733
Speaker 22: forests and lots of waterfalls folklore galore. But the hiking

1927
01:37:01,773 --> 01:37:04,413
Speaker 22: trails check. They are just so good. Blow out the

1928
01:37:04,413 --> 01:37:07,453
Speaker 22: cobwebs and bue collops, blender, Oh.

1929
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Speaker 3: Fantastic, Thank you so much, Mike, we'll make sure all

1930
01:37:09,653 --> 01:37:12,693
Speaker 3: of Mike's tips for tripping the Causeway Coast are up

1931
01:37:12,733 --> 01:37:15,773
Speaker 3: on the News talks 'DB website. Have a fantastic Christmas,

1932
01:37:15,813 --> 01:37:18,493
Speaker 3: have a wonderful summer, and we really look forward to

1933
01:37:18,573 --> 01:37:19,613
Speaker 3: catching again in the new year.

1934
01:37:19,693 --> 01:37:22,973
Speaker 22: I thank you so much, Jack, and enjoy all of

1935
01:37:22,973 --> 01:37:25,533
Speaker 22: that childhood sparkle on Christmas Day.

1936
01:37:25,933 --> 01:37:28,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait. Thank you so much. Mike Hardley,

1937
01:37:28,413 --> 01:37:31,053
Speaker 3: our travel correspondent there for the last time this year

1938
01:37:31,093 --> 01:37:34,613
Speaker 3: on Saturday mornings before midday. The best song, best album,

1939
01:37:34,653 --> 01:37:37,373
Speaker 3: and best concert of twenty twenty five according to our

1940
01:37:37,453 --> 01:37:40,973
Speaker 3: music reviewer, and this year's best fiction and non fiction picks.

1941
01:37:41,333 --> 01:37:42,893
Speaker 3: Could be a good little option next year if you've

1942
01:37:42,933 --> 01:37:44,693
Speaker 3: got a hard to buy for in your family and

1943
01:37:44,733 --> 01:37:47,493
Speaker 3: you're looking for some inspiration. In the next couple of days,

1944
01:37:47,533 --> 01:37:49,813
Speaker 3: our book reviewer will be here very shortly. And it's

1945
01:37:49,853 --> 01:37:54,813
Speaker 3: just coming up to eleven thirty.

1946
01:37:56,053 --> 01:37:57,693
Speaker 4: Getting your weekends started.

1947
01:37:57,893 --> 01:38:01,493
Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News talks 'DB,

1948
01:38:03,053 --> 01:38:04,453
Speaker 1: the Christmas.

1949
01:38:03,893 --> 01:38:06,573
Speaker 3: Tree, Happy j.

1950
01:38:08,333 --> 01:38:18,613
Speaker 10: Everyone dancing fairly new new sogs.

1951
01:38:18,973 --> 01:38:21,253
Speaker 3: You just got eleven thirty on your Saturday morning, so

1952
01:38:21,293 --> 01:38:24,973
Speaker 3: there are now three New Zealand sports Netball cricket and

1953
01:38:25,093 --> 01:38:30,373
Speaker 3: rugby our top three sports without CEOs. So on Weekend

1954
01:38:30,413 --> 01:38:32,893
Speaker 3: Sport this afternoon, Jason Pine is going to catch up

1955
01:38:32,893 --> 01:38:35,213
Speaker 3: with one of the most experienced heads when it comes

1956
01:38:35,253 --> 01:38:37,693
Speaker 3: to sports governance in New Zealand, Railing Castle is going

1957
01:38:37,733 --> 01:38:39,573
Speaker 3: to be on the show live to look at the

1958
01:38:39,613 --> 01:38:43,573
Speaker 3: situation afflicting rugby, cricket and netball in this country and

1959
01:38:43,613 --> 01:38:46,493
Speaker 3: trying to try and work out what happens next. Party's

1960
01:38:46,533 --> 01:38:48,053
Speaker 3: with us now, Good morning.

1961
01:38:47,813 --> 01:38:48,973
Speaker 19: Sir, Hello sir.

1962
01:38:49,493 --> 01:38:52,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pritt of a sort of weird situation and I

1963
01:38:52,813 --> 01:38:54,493
Speaker 3: think you just Savel made a really good point later

1964
01:38:54,573 --> 01:38:56,293
Speaker 3: on in the show in which he said that actually

1965
01:38:56,333 --> 01:39:02,413
Speaker 3: being a really good leader of a sporting organization requires

1966
01:39:02,693 --> 01:39:04,853
Speaker 3: quite a unique set of skills. It's not like a

1967
01:39:04,893 --> 01:39:11,333
Speaker 3: normal business, right You're constantly trying to manage these conflicting challenges.

1968
01:39:11,373 --> 01:39:13,853
Speaker 3: To take rugby, for example, you're trying to you're trying

1969
01:39:13,893 --> 01:39:15,813
Speaker 3: to maximize revenue, You're trying to make the most of

1970
01:39:15,853 --> 01:39:18,053
Speaker 3: the All Backs brand. You're trying to support the elite

1971
01:39:18,093 --> 01:39:19,653
Speaker 3: level of the support. You're trying to keep those top

1972
01:39:19,693 --> 01:39:21,933
Speaker 3: level players in the country while at the same time

1973
01:39:21,973 --> 01:39:25,293
Speaker 3: supporting the grassroots and often those can be pretty tricky

1974
01:39:25,333 --> 01:39:26,053
Speaker 3: things to balance.

1975
01:39:26,493 --> 01:39:29,573
Speaker 19: Absolutely very small pool of people we're talking about there,

1976
01:39:29,573 --> 01:39:32,093
Speaker 19: I mean Mark Robinson. He was part of a very

1977
01:39:32,133 --> 01:39:35,733
Speaker 19: small group. A former All Black with commercial acumen, Naco

1978
01:39:35,813 --> 01:39:38,133
Speaker 19: popin or a rugby club lee on the bar, talk

1979
01:39:38,173 --> 01:39:41,013
Speaker 19: with the locals, understand what rugby means to us, but

1980
01:39:41,133 --> 01:39:44,533
Speaker 19: also be comfortable sitting across the table from big corporates

1981
01:39:44,573 --> 01:39:47,333
Speaker 19: to convince them to align themselves with the All Blacks

1982
01:39:47,333 --> 01:39:49,533
Speaker 19: and New Zealand Rugby, not to mention what goes on

1983
01:39:49,573 --> 01:39:52,493
Speaker 19: at World Rugby. So yeah, it's a very small group

1984
01:39:52,533 --> 01:39:55,173
Speaker 19: of people who have all of the skills to do

1985
01:39:55,293 --> 01:39:58,413
Speaker 19: these things. And the very fact Jack that we haven't

1986
01:39:58,413 --> 01:40:01,573
Speaker 19: been able to replace Mark Robinson, I mean he resigned

1987
01:40:01,573 --> 01:40:05,493
Speaker 19: six months ago and there's still no permanent CEO in place.

1988
01:40:05,533 --> 01:40:07,973
Speaker 19: That's of course, very different from what's happened in the

1989
01:40:08,053 --> 01:40:11,253
Speaker 19: last couple of days with Jenny Wiley and Scott Weening

1990
01:40:11,453 --> 01:40:15,213
Speaker 19: stepping down after Look, I don't think Netbel will look

1991
01:40:15,253 --> 01:40:18,373
Speaker 19: back on twenty twenty five with any degree of great

1992
01:40:18,413 --> 01:40:21,053
Speaker 19: positivity at all. And we've known for a while that

1993
01:40:21,093 --> 01:40:23,733
Speaker 19: Scott Weining has been at loggerheads with the major associations

1994
01:40:23,773 --> 01:40:25,453
Speaker 19: the Plats Association and.

1995
01:40:25,413 --> 01:40:26,373
Speaker 3: Parts of his own board.

1996
01:40:26,493 --> 01:40:30,253
Speaker 19: So look, to me, if you are leading a sport,

1997
01:40:30,373 --> 01:40:33,573
Speaker 19: there is no more fitting way to do it than

1998
01:40:33,773 --> 01:40:38,613
Speaker 19: servant leadership. You really are serving those who are involved

1999
01:40:38,653 --> 01:40:42,333
Speaker 19: in that sport, and I just think sometimes sports administrators

2000
01:40:42,413 --> 01:40:44,373
Speaker 19: lose sight of the reason that they're there. They are

2001
01:40:44,373 --> 01:40:47,813
Speaker 19: there to serve the sport and its participants, and too

2002
01:40:47,853 --> 01:40:52,493
Speaker 19: often politics, personality clashes, bickering, just getting the way of that,

2003
01:40:52,573 --> 01:40:54,693
Speaker 19: you know. So yeah, I'm looking forward to chatting to

2004
01:40:54,773 --> 01:40:58,733
Speaker 19: Railing Castle about how prevalent that is, how problematic it is,

2005
01:40:58,773 --> 01:41:02,653
Speaker 19: but also how small is the pool of candidates for

2006
01:41:02,733 --> 01:41:05,893
Speaker 19: As you say, Jack, the three biggest jobs in sport

2007
01:41:05,933 --> 01:41:08,053
Speaker 19: in this cuntry three probably as that. I mean, they

2008
01:41:08,053 --> 01:41:10,293
Speaker 19: are three biggest sports, aren't they? Rugby, cricket and netball?

2009
01:41:10,373 --> 01:41:12,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, I think so. Yeah, I mean

2010
01:41:12,413 --> 01:41:14,373
Speaker 3: you could probably put football up there now as well,

2011
01:41:14,453 --> 01:41:17,453
Speaker 3: but yeah, I think absolutely. Oh, that'd be a really

2012
01:41:17,453 --> 01:41:19,893
Speaker 3: good conversation with Raylan this afternoon. You got Luke Metcalff

2013
01:41:19,933 --> 01:41:21,613
Speaker 3: on the show as well. Yeah, I haven't heard from

2014
01:41:21,653 --> 01:41:24,053
Speaker 3: Luke for a while. He of course did his ACL

2015
01:41:24,213 --> 01:41:26,573
Speaker 3: after fifteen rounds last season. Chee was playing well, wasn't

2016
01:41:26,613 --> 01:41:29,413
Speaker 3: He was leading the DLIM voting before it went behind

2017
01:41:29,453 --> 01:41:31,613
Speaker 3: closed doors. He was just running the cutter for the

2018
01:41:31,613 --> 01:41:34,293
Speaker 3: Warriors and then that ACL injury. So how was he tracking,

2019
01:41:34,613 --> 01:41:37,173
Speaker 3: How is the recovery going, is he hitting all the milestones?

2020
01:41:37,213 --> 01:41:39,533
Speaker 3: And when might we see him back out there for

2021
01:41:39,613 --> 01:41:41,493
Speaker 3: the Warriors in twenty twenty six? So you're looking forward

2022
01:41:41,493 --> 01:41:44,573
Speaker 3: to chatting to Luke metcalf just after the one o'clock news. Nice,

2023
01:41:44,693 --> 01:41:46,773
Speaker 3: what'd you make of that Aucland FC performance last night?

2024
01:41:47,053 --> 01:41:48,293
Speaker 19: I thought they was good in the second half.

2025
01:41:48,373 --> 01:41:52,053
Speaker 3: I thought they really two halves that't it well in

2026
01:41:52,053 --> 01:41:54,013
Speaker 3: the first half of the Oh no, But yeah there're

2027
01:41:54,013 --> 01:41:54,653
Speaker 3: ten things.

2028
01:41:54,453 --> 01:41:57,133
Speaker 19: Round and that Taukland FC for you, you know, they

2029
01:41:57,213 --> 01:41:59,573
Speaker 19: just they just they just get it done. I thought

2030
01:41:59,613 --> 01:42:03,493
Speaker 19: Lachland Brook was magnificent. The second goal was just yeah,

2031
01:42:03,773 --> 01:42:07,213
Speaker 19: just pure class from Auckland f C. Yeah, they're just

2032
01:42:07,253 --> 01:42:10,693
Speaker 19: starting to they starting to go again, out again, they

2033
01:42:10,733 --> 01:42:12,213
Speaker 19: really are. That's three ones and allow. I look, if

2034
01:42:12,213 --> 01:42:14,733
Speaker 19: they win next week and it's against Sydney FC, the

2035
01:42:14,773 --> 01:42:16,173
Speaker 19: other team at the top of the table, they'll have

2036
01:42:16,213 --> 01:42:18,413
Speaker 19: the same number of points after what will that be

2037
01:42:18,453 --> 01:42:20,453
Speaker 19: ten games that they'd have to ten games last year

2038
01:42:20,773 --> 01:42:22,453
Speaker 19: and we know how that season finished up in terms

2039
01:42:22,493 --> 01:42:24,413
Speaker 19: of the Premiers plate. So yeah, I like what I'm

2040
01:42:24,413 --> 01:42:25,933
Speaker 19: seeing from Auckland FC are very good.

2041
01:42:25,933 --> 01:42:27,653
Speaker 3: Looking forward to the show this afternoon. Thank you sir,

2042
01:42:27,733 --> 01:42:30,693
Speaker 3: have a great Chostmas. Jason Pine with us for weekends Sport.

2043
01:42:30,733 --> 01:42:33,773
Speaker 3: The Savo Raylean Castle from Sports ends on the show

2044
01:42:33,813 --> 01:42:36,853
Speaker 3: looking at the situation with CEOs for rugby, cricket and

2045
01:42:36,973 --> 01:42:40,253
Speaker 3: netball in New Zealand before midday. The Best Song, Best Album,

2046
01:42:40,253 --> 01:42:43,773
Speaker 3: Best Concert, Best Fiction and Best Nonfiction are twenty twenty five.

2047
01:42:44,333 --> 01:42:46,893
Speaker 3: Right now, it's twenty four to twelve.

2048
01:42:48,053 --> 01:42:52,293
Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

2049
01:42:52,573 --> 01:42:54,013
Speaker 1: powered by News talks 'b.

2050
01:42:55,293 --> 01:42:57,373
Speaker 3: Twenty two to twelve on News Talks. They'd be It's

2051
01:42:57,413 --> 01:43:00,093
Speaker 3: fair to say that our book reviewer Katherine Rains gets

2052
01:43:00,173 --> 01:43:03,693
Speaker 3: through our whole heap of books every year. I mean,

2053
01:43:03,733 --> 01:43:05,733
Speaker 3: if you think about it, she is on the show

2054
01:43:05,773 --> 01:43:09,253
Speaker 3: every week, two books on our show every single Saturday morning.

2055
01:43:09,373 --> 01:43:11,013
Speaker 3: Put that over a year, you're looking at more than

2056
01:43:11,013 --> 01:43:16,053
Speaker 3: one hundred books. Catherine, you must be an incredibly fast reader,

2057
01:43:18,053 --> 01:43:18,733
Speaker 3: so I've been.

2058
01:43:18,653 --> 01:43:21,853
Speaker 21: Told, Yeah, I think I am. I've never learned to

2059
01:43:21,853 --> 01:43:24,173
Speaker 21: speed read or anything like that. But yeah, I do

2060
01:43:24,373 --> 01:43:25,133
Speaker 21: tune through a few.

2061
01:43:25,373 --> 01:43:28,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've been through a few, and you've picked out

2062
01:43:28,093 --> 01:43:31,093
Speaker 3: your favorites for twenty twenty five a round up of

2063
01:43:31,133 --> 01:43:33,933
Speaker 3: this year's best. So we're going to start off with nonfiction.

2064
01:43:34,013 --> 01:43:37,493
Speaker 3: What are your favorite nonfiction reads of twenty twenty five?

2065
01:43:38,293 --> 01:43:39,773
Speaker 3: So first up is The Breath.

2066
01:43:39,613 --> 01:43:43,013
Speaker 21: Of God's by Simon Winchester, and he has this really

2067
01:43:43,053 --> 01:43:46,213
Speaker 21: interesting story about the changes in the Earth's wind patterns,

2068
01:43:46,533 --> 01:43:50,413
Speaker 21: what happens, where it occurs, how it's influenced progress, and

2069
01:43:50,453 --> 01:43:54,853
Speaker 21: he has this incredible ability to weave science and history

2070
01:43:54,893 --> 01:43:59,453
Speaker 21: and references about how it's impacted the human race throughout history.

2071
01:43:59,613 --> 01:44:02,133
Speaker 21: And he has lots of interesting antidotes and his own

2072
01:44:02,173 --> 01:44:05,253
Speaker 21: experiences and the people that he talks to, and it

2073
01:44:05,293 --> 01:44:09,013
Speaker 21: makes this book really relatable and formamative and enjoyable, and

2074
01:44:09,013 --> 01:44:11,173
Speaker 21: I'd highly recommend it. You wouldn't think a book about

2075
01:44:11,253 --> 01:44:13,613
Speaker 21: the wind and the movement of air would be interesting,

2076
01:44:13,653 --> 01:44:15,133
Speaker 21: but in this case it really is.

2077
01:44:15,293 --> 01:44:17,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, yeah, it's funny, isn't it How something that

2078
01:44:17,853 --> 01:44:21,013
Speaker 3: can see some kind of banal can actually be really amazing.

2079
01:44:21,053 --> 01:44:21,933
Speaker 3: So what's your next pick?

2080
01:44:23,173 --> 01:44:25,013
Speaker 21: So my next pick is The Short History of Nearly

2081
01:44:25,053 --> 01:44:28,413
Speaker 21: Everything two point zero by Bill Bryson, and the original

2082
01:44:28,413 --> 01:44:32,053
Speaker 21: book was published back in two thousand and three. So

2083
01:44:32,733 --> 01:44:36,293
Speaker 21: he talks in this one about discoveries and updates as

2084
01:44:36,293 --> 01:44:39,493
Speaker 21: to what's happened in the last twenty years basically, and

2085
01:44:39,573 --> 01:44:42,813
Speaker 21: the discoveries in the Solar system and new human ancestors

2086
01:44:42,973 --> 01:44:46,853
Speaker 21: and the recatiation of Pluto and lots of planets and

2087
01:44:46,933 --> 01:44:50,173
Speaker 21: new moons and dark matter and energy and genetic advancements.

2088
01:44:50,613 --> 01:44:53,893
Speaker 21: And he also is really good at making very complex

2089
01:44:53,893 --> 01:44:59,613
Speaker 21: subjects endlessly fascinating, and he has this incredibly approachable writing style.

2090
01:44:59,693 --> 01:45:03,133
Speaker 21: He's interesting to listen to, but his writing is incredible

2091
01:45:03,173 --> 01:45:05,893
Speaker 21: in the way that he just makes these incredibly complex

2092
01:45:06,053 --> 01:45:08,893
Speaker 21: ideas is very simple and completely understandable.

2093
01:45:09,293 --> 01:45:12,253
Speaker 3: Superb. Next up, Mother Mary Comes to Me by Aaron

2094
01:45:12,293 --> 01:45:12,933
Speaker 3: Hutti Roy.

2095
01:45:13,893 --> 01:45:16,293
Speaker 21: So this is a memoir from her about her life

2096
01:45:16,413 --> 01:45:19,173
Speaker 21: and how it was shaped with her relationship with her mother,

2097
01:45:19,333 --> 01:45:22,773
Speaker 21: Mary Roy. And it's about her childhood in India and

2098
01:45:22,813 --> 01:45:25,013
Speaker 21: the obstacles that she had along the way, and that

2099
01:45:25,093 --> 01:45:29,653
Speaker 21: hardship and resilience and that determination that she overcomes. And

2100
01:45:29,693 --> 01:45:33,653
Speaker 21: her mother was this incredibly dominant woman and she creates

2101
01:45:33,653 --> 01:45:37,573
Speaker 21: her own educational empire, and she was a real task

2102
01:45:37,653 --> 01:45:40,533
Speaker 21: master and a tyrant and these she has this opportunity

2103
01:45:40,533 --> 01:45:43,213
Speaker 21: to create this community of children, which she does. But

2104
01:45:43,253 --> 01:45:45,853
Speaker 21: then on the other side is her relationship with her

2105
01:45:45,853 --> 01:45:49,493
Speaker 21: own two children, who are really attached to her, and

2106
01:45:49,533 --> 01:45:52,613
Speaker 21: they continue to come back even after years of estrangement.

2107
01:45:52,773 --> 01:45:55,893
Speaker 21: And you know, Androtti refers to her mother as missus

2108
01:45:56,013 --> 01:45:58,933
Speaker 21: Roy for almost her entire life. And it's just a

2109
01:45:59,093 --> 01:46:03,013
Speaker 21: really interesting look at her dynamics. And she's a fantastic writer,

2110
01:46:03,293 --> 01:46:07,493
Speaker 21: and yeah, it's complex, but it's a relationship that she

2111
01:46:07,573 --> 01:46:08,573
Speaker 21: has at the same time.

2112
01:46:08,693 --> 01:46:11,813
Speaker 3: Okay, great, So those three non fiction reads that you

2113
01:46:11,893 --> 01:46:13,813
Speaker 3: reckon are the best of twenty twenty five are The

2114
01:46:13,853 --> 01:46:17,453
Speaker 3: Breath of Gods by Simon Winchester, The History of Nearly

2115
01:46:17,533 --> 01:46:20,413
Speaker 3: Everything two point zero by Bill Bryson, and Mother Mary

2116
01:46:20,453 --> 01:46:23,093
Speaker 3: Comes to Meet by arn Tutty Roy. So let's go

2117
01:46:23,133 --> 01:46:26,053
Speaker 3: to your fiction pecks. Let's begin with Thursday Murder Club

2118
01:46:26,093 --> 01:46:28,173
Speaker 3: Impossible Fortune by Richard Osmond.

2119
01:46:29,013 --> 01:46:32,613
Speaker 21: So this is when the Thursday Murder Club are back,

2120
01:46:32,733 --> 01:46:34,933
Speaker 21: and it's set around a wedding when Elizabeth meets a

2121
01:46:34,933 --> 01:46:38,573
Speaker 21: guest who is in trouble and this whole series feels

2122
01:46:38,613 --> 01:46:43,213
Speaker 21: like you're being reunited with friends. It's accessible, it's about

2123
01:46:43,293 --> 01:46:46,613
Speaker 21: friendship and aging and the thrill of solving a good

2124
01:46:46,693 --> 01:46:50,933
Speaker 21: puzzle alongside it. These are completely charming and I'd highly

2125
01:46:50,973 --> 01:46:54,453
Speaker 21: recommend great for a lazy Sunday afternoon or lying at

2126
01:46:54,493 --> 01:46:57,653
Speaker 21: the beach. It's perfect and you'll get you'll love these characters.

2127
01:46:57,733 --> 01:46:58,693
Speaker 21: I can guarantee it.

2128
01:46:58,813 --> 01:47:00,013
Speaker 3: Oh nice. So what's next?

2129
01:47:01,373 --> 01:47:04,013
Speaker 21: The cutthroat Trial Secret Barrister by S. J.

2130
01:47:04,173 --> 01:47:04,533
Speaker 13: Fleet.

2131
01:47:04,613 --> 01:47:07,173
Speaker 21: And this is a story about three youths have been

2132
01:47:07,253 --> 01:47:10,293
Speaker 21: accused of murder and each blames each other, but it's

2133
01:47:10,333 --> 01:47:13,253
Speaker 21: also about their three barristers. And it has this great

2134
01:47:13,293 --> 01:47:16,813
Speaker 21: dialogue and insight and the drama and the reveals. And

2135
01:47:16,853 --> 01:47:19,453
Speaker 21: it's also written by an author that is well versed

2136
01:47:19,493 --> 01:47:22,053
Speaker 21: in the world of criminal trials, so he really knows

2137
01:47:22,053 --> 01:47:24,693
Speaker 21: the stuff. And it really feels like you're they're alongside them.

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Speaker 3: Oh excellent. Okay, And last, but not least, friend of

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Speaker 3: the show, David Baldacci's Nash Falls so.

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Speaker 21: Wildt has this very comfortable and predictable life. He's a

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Speaker 21: high level executive, he has a lovely family. His life

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Speaker 21: isn't violence. That's not what he's known for, but in

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Speaker 21: this thriller, his life is completely turned upside down after

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Speaker 21: a visit in the middle of the night and the

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Speaker 21: FBI makes contact and Baldacci consistently writes characters that are

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Speaker 21: really real and interesting and the whole book it keeps

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Speaker 21: you intrigued. And again he's an excellent writer, and lots

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Speaker 21: of thrills in this book.

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Speaker 12: It's very well done.

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Speaker 3: Oh great, So that's Nash Falls by David Baldacci, The

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Speaker 3: Cutthroat Trial by the Secret, The Cutthroat Trial by the

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Speaker 3: Secret Barrister by S. J. Fleet, and Thursday Murder Club

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Speaker 3: Impossible Fortune by Richard Osmond. Round out your top fiction

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Speaker 3: picks for the year. Will make sure all of Catherine's

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Speaker 3: picks for nonfiction and fiction for the best Reads of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five are up on the news talks heb website. Catherine,

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Speaker 3: have a fantastic Christmas. Thank you so much and we

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Speaker 3: look forward to catching you in the new year.

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Speaker 21: You too, enjoy your Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Very good. Katherin Rain's our book reviewer for the final

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Speaker 3: time in twenty twenty five. Next up to round out

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Speaker 3: our show this year, the Best Song, the Best Album,

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Speaker 3: The Best Concert of the year, call it a twelve.

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Speaker 3: On News Talks, he'd be giving you.

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Speaker 1: The inside scoop on All You Need to Know on

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Dame News Talks, Edbskie.

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Speaker 13: Sayson one Sun Sayson Man. I might have been for again, Beties,

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Speaker 13: feel like I don't have.

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Speaker 11: The answers this madness over aheads lady jrry me.

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Speaker 3: I'll kill that is Lord with Hammer thirteen to twelve

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Speaker 3: on News Talks, he'd be our music viewer Chris schultzers

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Speaker 3: and and the reason we're playing Hammer by Lord is

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Speaker 3: it is his top pick for best song of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five. It's great, it's it's a real jam. So

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Speaker 3: give us your thinking, give us you, give us you

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Speaker 3: a rationale behind picking Lord.

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Speaker 18: Well, this year is the first year that music fans

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Speaker 18: have had to question where their music has come from.

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Speaker 18: We spoke abouit about this last year, AI right, like

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Speaker 18: did a human make this? Or did a robot make this?

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Speaker 18: We're all sort of working our way through the slot.

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Speaker 18: And my reaction to that has been to chase down

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Speaker 18: music that's felt more human than ever, more emotional. I

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Speaker 18: want rawness, I want realness, I want imperfections. Lord's Virgin

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Speaker 18: album from July just had that in spades. It's such

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Speaker 18: an honest album. It moves all over the place, and

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Speaker 18: it captures her at a moment where she's just trying

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Speaker 18: to find yourself, older, a little wiser, with a little

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Speaker 18: more insights to who she is. And Hammer's the first

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Speaker 18: song on the album. It really sets the tone. Every

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Speaker 18: time I hear that song, I hear different textures and layers.

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Speaker 18: It's never the same. Yeah, and the whole album is

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Speaker 18: kind of like that. I played it this morning and

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Speaker 18: and same thing. I just got this burst of just like,

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Speaker 18: you've got to listen to it. You've got to really

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Speaker 18: sit there and listen to it. It's not background music.

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Speaker 18: Yours have to be careful with it. The vinyl insert

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Speaker 18: it's very rata. It fell out and I hadn't even

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Speaker 18: had a coffee. I was like, oh my god, well, kids,

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Speaker 18: she really does put herself out there, and that's what

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Speaker 18: I was looking for in music.

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Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, oh very good. I like that rationale as well.

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Speaker 3: I was listening to I listen to this this tech

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Speaker 3: podcast and they were describing the ways in which AI

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Speaker 3: is kind of impacting art and you know, and pop

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Speaker 3: culture and stuff, and they were saying, what do you

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Speaker 3: think will be the first award to go to art

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Speaker 3: that's been made by AI? Is it going to be

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Speaker 3: an Oscar?

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Speaker 2: Is it going to be an Emmy?

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Speaker 3: Is it going to be a where? And everyone was like,

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Speaker 3: it's probably going to be a Grammy. Like of all

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Speaker 3: of the of the different genres of that kind of

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Speaker 3: popular art, I suppose it's music that is furthest down

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Speaker 3: the path of using AI tools. So actually seeking out,

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Speaker 3: like you say, really human art is yeah, kind of

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Speaker 3: more precient than ever. So Hammer by Lord is your

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Speaker 3: best song of twenty twenty five? Your best album of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five goes to.

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Speaker 18: It's Lily Allen. It has to be right, Like we

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Speaker 18: spoke about this the day after it came out. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 18: And it hadn't become apparent yet just how huge this

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Speaker 18: album was going to be. We hadn't heard from Lily

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Speaker 18: Allen in seven years, complete silence. She'd been off having kids,

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Speaker 18: getting married, and she came out with this album that

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Speaker 18: was made in two weeks and it was a TMZ

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Speaker 18: of an album.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 18: It felt like you were listening to something you really

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Speaker 18: shouldn't be hearing it dish the dirt on a Hollywood

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Speaker 18: celebrity marriage breakup in just the most salacious ways. And

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Speaker 18: she has said that some of it's made up and

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Speaker 18: some of it's rare, and we don't know what. I'd

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Speaker 18: wager more of this is real than not. The details

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Speaker 18: are just too too juicy for them not to be.

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Speaker 18: But this album's had legs. It's you know, she's just

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Speaker 18: played ECNL. She's she's looking so poised when she plays

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Speaker 18: these songs. She's going on to the next year. Most

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Speaker 18: of the dates are sold out. She's playing the album

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Speaker 18: in full and I think that's a sign that this

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Speaker 18: album celebrated the album format because you had to listen

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Speaker 18: to the whole thing to get the whole story. There

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Speaker 18: were no skips because you want you wanted more on Metaline,

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Speaker 18: You wanted more on the handbags and the the dude

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01:53:07,053 --> 01:53:09,893
Speaker 18: side tables, like you wanted to hear every little line,

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01:53:09,933 --> 01:53:12,773
Speaker 18: every little bit to try and you know, pull out

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Speaker 18: what was what was happening, what was going on?

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Speaker 3: Oh fantastic good? Okay, So that's Lily Allen west m Girl,

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Speaker 3: your favorite album of twenty twenty five and the best

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Speaker 3: concert of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 18: We It was a troubling year for concerts. We didn't

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Speaker 18: get a lot. I reported from Australia twice. Yeah, because

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Speaker 18: we didn't get Oasis and Kindrick and Lady Gaga. But

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Speaker 18: we did get some really good shows Metallica and at

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Speaker 18: the end of the year was fantastic. And at the

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Speaker 18: start of the year it feels like millions of miles ago.

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Speaker 18: Charlie xcy Exit Laneway brought Brat's summer to Altado. I've

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Speaker 18: only ever seen her in smaller shows like saw at

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Speaker 18: the power Station when she first started. This was not that.

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Speaker 18: This was just an explosion of glitchy electronic and madness.

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Speaker 18: It's just her on a stage all on her own

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Speaker 18: ninety minutes. And you know, the next time we see her,

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Speaker 18: she's got a movie coming out, she's got a new

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Speaker 18: album coming out early next year. She's going to be

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Speaker 18: in stadium. She's going to be part of that you

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Speaker 18: are that's sweeping this nostalgia away and bringing in that

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Speaker 18: younger generation into those bigger venues.

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Speaker 3: Nuer great packs. I love all of those and it's

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Speaker 3: a SHEI she one two three.

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Speaker 18: The dudes have some work to do.

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Speaker 3: Lord Lily and Charlie yeah, hey, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: We'll make sure we put all of those topics on

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Speaker 3: the website as we always do. Have a fantastic summer's break.

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Speaker 3: Really appreciate it, Chris Schultz, And of course you can

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Speaker 3: hear more from Chris on his substack Boiler Room eight

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Speaker 3: to twelve. On news talks, he'd be.

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Speaker 1: Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack

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Speaker 1: team news talks.

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Speaker 3: AB. I can't believe it. We are done. We had

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Speaker 3: done for another Saturday morning together, another year to get

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Speaker 3: their own news talks, he'd be, would you believe we've

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01:54:55,333 --> 01:54:59,093
Speaker 3: been doing Saturday mornings together now for twelve years? It's

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01:54:59,133 --> 01:55:03,453
Speaker 3: crazy A I just I just feel so lucky. Honestly,

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01:55:03,613 --> 01:55:07,853
Speaker 3: doing this show is an absolute stand out highlight of

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Speaker 3: my week every week. So thank you very much for

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01:55:11,733 --> 01:55:14,773
Speaker 3: tuning in on Saturday mornings, for all of your feedback,

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Speaker 3: for entertaining my various whims and fancies. I really do

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Speaker 3: appreciate it, And I hope wherever you are you were

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01:55:22,933 --> 01:55:25,173
Speaker 3: going to have a fantastic summer's break. I hope you

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01:55:25,213 --> 01:55:28,293
Speaker 3: can disconnect a little bit if you've been working. I

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01:55:28,293 --> 01:55:30,293
Speaker 3: hope you can catch up with friends and family. I

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Speaker 3: hope you can enjoy plenty of treats, some outside time,

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Speaker 3: a few swims in the ocean, all that good stuff

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Speaker 3: that makes life worth living. Just so you know, the

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Speaker 3: black Caps have taken another wicket. If you like me,

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Speaker 3: you'll be enjoying a little bit of cricket over the

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Speaker 3: summer as well. Jacob Duffy's taking a second one, so

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Speaker 3: the Windy's in our one hundred and forty one for two.

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Speaker 3: A massive thank you as always to my wonderful producer

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Speaker 3: Libby for keeping me on the straight and narrow, making

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Speaker 3: sure the show goes to area every Saturday morning. I

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Speaker 3: hope she enjoys a good summer's break as well. We're

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Speaker 3: going to be back with you in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Saturday the seventeenth of is our first show for the

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Speaker 3: new year. So until then we're going to leave you

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Speaker 3: with Kylie and send a baby. Have a fantastic summer,

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Speaker 3: Mary kremite and see you again in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 3: and hurry down.

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Speaker 11: The chimney tourna. Come and test my Christmas treat? Who

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Speaker 11: is some decorations for.

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Speaker 4: I really do believe in.

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Speaker 12: You, s if you believe in me?

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Speaker 11: Set a baby, forgot to mention one thing or hands

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Speaker 11: on me on phone baby, So hurry down the journey tonight.

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Speaker 12: Hurry down the Journey tonight.

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Speaker 4: Hurry tonight

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Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, Listen live

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