WEBVTT - "Captain Caveman Gullivers G Lane" 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:05.200 The Agenda Podcast, the home of Sporting Nonsense and clap Trap, 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:07.560 brought to you my next more to culture. 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.039 Right, it's our great pleasure to welcome into the Agenda 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.240 a podcast, Sam Whitelock, Captain Caveman, how are you good? 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:16.560 Good? 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:18.560 Not so, Captain gave Man anymore. I'm not little bit 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.440 disappointed you've come and you're clean shaven. You know you're retired. 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:22.959 You've lost the look. 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.600 I'm trying. I'm trying to hide it. See, I'd love 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.360 to say that that's what I was just trying to do. 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:29.960 I'm probably just trying to get rid of the grays. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:30.560 Okay. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.880 It just started from a little bit of my beer 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:35.960 and it's just kind of making its way down, so. 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:39.160 Down the chest and down into the Yeah, okay, I'll just. 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.479 Get rid of them and pretend that I'm younger than thirty. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.400 We must be pretty hard for you to hide, because 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.239 you're you're a big man. But you have released a 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.040 book View from the Second. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:51.920 Row, not this one. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.200 No, that's the a sec book. You can peruce through that. 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.560 I said you before. It's more picture book that one 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.400 than a proper book. But before we get into it, now, 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.040 did you watch the game yesterday, the Italy game, Sam 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.480 Kine obviously playing his last game for the All Blacks. Well, 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.240 what would have been going through I mean you obviously 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.520 experienced that recently. What would have been going through Sam's 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.360 head as he walked off and in there. 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.280 I know for myself and Sam would be feeling exactly 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.720 the same as when he came off. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:22.959 That was it. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.800 It was done, There's no more All Black stuff, And 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:31.080 if anything, it's a weird feeling. And I know for me, 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.680 like I finished at a World Cup, so there was 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.040 a whole lot of different emotion. But the last time 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.199 sitting in the change room, the last time captain's run 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.280 the whole week, it kind of builds up on you. 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.839 And you know, Sam's been a professional for a long time, 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:48.800 so he would have his own processes in place to 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.360 do everything to nail his performance on the game, which 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.000 I thought he actually played pretty well. So when it 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.400 happens and you go it's done, that's when it actually 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.040 hits you. And it'll take him a way while to 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.040 get used to the idea. And it's the same for myself. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.960 I'm still getting used to calling myself a retired rugby player. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.200 Now A few people are trying to pull me back in. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.600 I've had a couple offers of playing down south on 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.720 the West Coast, I had a couple of charity games. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.720 How could you resist that? How could you resist going 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:20.320 to the coast? 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.120 Yeah, it is actually quite challenging saying no to a 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:28.480 few people and a few things. But we wanted to 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.640 finish playing really good rugby. I didn't want to be 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.120 the guy that was hanging on. I didn't want someone 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.320 to say, you know, to their son and the crowd 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:37.919 or their daughter and say, hey, that guy out there, 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.320 he used to be a good player. He's just clicking 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.840 the ticket now. And so that's probably one of the 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.600 reasons that pulled up and finished when I. 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.919 Did so last night. We watched the game yesterday morning. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.720 Actually were commentating myself, James and mcconey and I and 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.920 we're big Chiefs fans, big Chiefs Mona fans. So you 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.359 know there was a lump in James mcconey's throat when 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.440 Sam Kane was coming off. But I need to ask 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.000 you a question. When you get issued your kit, your 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.480 all Blacks kit, do you ever get given gloves like 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:06.600 warm winter gloves? 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.000 Yes, Sevu Reese, I saw it straight away. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.120 What is going on here? He's got to play. He 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.560 almost ruined the moment for Sam Kane that's ever going 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:19.240 to be known as Sevu Reese with playing socks on 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:19.760 his hands. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:20.320 Oh. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.359 The best thing is he's probably taking them off his 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.560 feet and he could be saying, oh, my hands are cold, 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.079 but he would have taken them off his feet and 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.280 then gone, ah, my feet are cold now. So Sevu 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.880 would have been doing it for Ai. To keeper's hands 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:36.320 will obviously Fiji in heritage, but might not be the 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.280 sharpest too when it comes to keeping warm and the cold. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:40.240 He's just not used to it. 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.920 We had to stop and rewind it and watch it again. 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:45.720 It was one of the one of the great moments 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.720 going back to retirement. How are you? What are you 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.839 up to now? What are you doing stuff? Because you've 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.240 been a professional athlete for as far as I can 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.720 remember watching rugby just about Sam Whitelock's always been there. 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.320 What do you obviously you switch off? What do you do? 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:00.880 What are you doing with your Yeah? 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.600 So played my first game of touch rugby when I 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.480 was about three three and a half four and thirty 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.080 six now, so I finished my last game for the barbars. 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:15.520 We played against Fiji and Twickenham end of May and 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.360 since then we've actually been able to do some amazing 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:22.320 things as a family. So we traveled the UK Europe 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.800 for ten weeks and it was awesome. It was everything 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.239 that we wanted and needed as a family. But since 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.159 been back in New Zealand, we've moved to the Hawk's 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.560 Bay and now we're farming. So my hands are a 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.960 lot harder than they used to be throwing around a 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.760 rugby ball and enjoying the challenges that come with moving 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.240 to a new place, doing something completely different, even though 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.599 I got some family history and grew up on a farm, 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:50.440 so yeah, doing something completely different but enjoying it so. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:52.400 Far nice and was that always the goal going back 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.920 into farming yep at the end, So playing career. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.880 All my uncles and aunties are on the land or 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.440 have been on the land at some stage farming. Got 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.280 a number of cousins doing the same thing. My brother 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.279 older brothers on the family farm as well, so there's 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.640 quite a bit of farming chat that's thrown in between 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:15.120 the footy and the kids. And yeah, it's been cool. 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.560 So just looking forward to what the next challenge is 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.279 at the moment. It's kind of I tried to explain 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.520 it to someone, It's like I'm playing club rugby, but 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.920 I'm trying to do it at an international level. So 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.679 I'm pretty green around a few things on the farm 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.599 and I have two stuff members. Sometimes they're looking at me, 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.400 going what are we doing now, and I'm like, I 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.359 don't know. We're just kind of feeling our way through it. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.760 But I've got some good people there supporting, and that's 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:40.560 been awesome, awesome. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.400 It's great because I have talked to a few recently 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:48.200 retired cricketers and one particular cricketer who you know, he'd 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.760 been in the setup since he was eighteen nineteen years old, 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.920 and when he finished playing, he said he didn't really 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.760 know what to do because no one slipped a piece 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:57.960 of paper under his door to tell him where he 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.159 should be, what he should be wearing, and where they're going. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:02.839 And he was like, I didn't know what he said. 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.560 He was lost for a walks. He's like, I know, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.760 of telling me what to do, that is that the 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:07.840 same in the all black setup? 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.320 No, it's exactly right. So I've been told we're to 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.719 be what to wear, what to do, what training we're doing, 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.640 and all of a sudden for us being on the farm, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.160 Like I'm like, do I start work at six? Do 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.400 I start at seven or start at ten? Yeah, And 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.680 it's really nice having that flexibility and just kind of 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.000 working through when I want to get out the door. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:29.480 Do I do a couple of hours first and come 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.279 back and see the kids before they go to school, 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.640 or do I work a little bit later. And it's 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.000 just working for Hannah and myself out what is the 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.039 best bang for our buck and where do I fit 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.480 into it because I used to be away all the time, 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.680 where now she's kind of like, are you going away soon? 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:48.599 I'm kind of getting sick of you a little bit here. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.040 So yeah, it's been cool and hopefully they're not too 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:53.880 sick of me just yet. 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.120 So is that you you're not going to kind of 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.320 in terms of rugby, You're not look looking at any 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.320 kind of coaching roles or admin administration roles or anything 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:02.840 like that. You're on the farm and that's it. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.919 No. I'm doing a little bit of coaching in Japan 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:07.479 at the moment, so I've got a couple of trips 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.440 up there every season for the next couple of years. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.840 I'm helping out Panasonic, where Robbie Deans is been coaching 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.680 for the last ten twelve years, as a team I 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.200 played for. So it's been really nice stepping back into 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.800 them and just kind of, you know, I don't really 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:25.920 have a pacific role or an area I'm looking at. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.120 I'm just kind of finding my own feed in that 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:29.320 coaching space. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.280 A vibe guy going along as yeah a little bit. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.560 I do have my mouthguard and my toilet bag as 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.160 I travel. But Robbie keeps saying, look, don't bring that, 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.560 don't wear rugby boots because you'll get tempted to show 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.560 someone something and you'll tweak a hammy or a calf 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:47.800 or do your backs. 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:49.600 Or the red mist of the scene when some puts 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:50.160 a shot on you. 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.640 And yeah, yeah, it's trying to get the body to 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.000 do what it's meant to do. I'm still in pretty 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:00.120 good shape, hopefully, but just getting that balance riders the 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.040 key thing. And Robbie is a mentor, is an awesome person. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.560 To Japan's a great place as well, a great place 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.520 to spend a few months. You mentioned before your brother 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.320 is also your older brothers on the family farm you 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.440 grew up with three brothers. I only grew up with 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.640 one brother and that was enough for me in terms 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.960 of you must have played some mean games of running 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:20.040 straight in the backyard. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.680 Yeah, we still have our teams now. So it was 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.440 always George the oldest, Luke the youngest. So there's only 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.200 five years between all four of us. So as soon 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:29.880 as we went, George and Luke fist Adam and I 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.880 being the middle, it actually evened out pretty pretty quick. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.080 So like if Adam and I gaged up on, George 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.440 would probably have the upper hand and then Luke was 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.960 thrown in the mix. So then yeah, it kind of 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:44.040 just escalated from there. And so many times it was 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.520 I'd get bored annoy Luke, Luke would get up to set, 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.480 Adam would jump in and to defend Luke, George would 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.480 jump and Dad would come home and sort us all out. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:56.000 So that sounds so hectic for your parents. You got five, 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.040 You've got four boys under five, so in that space 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.400 of holy Man, that must have been one hell of 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:02.040 a household. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.559 Yeah, it was cool. Yeah, I explained about it in 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.440 the book a little bit around. I think the wording 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.120 I use is we were a bit rough around the edges, 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.160 but we used to lock babysitters out of the house 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:16.199 and we just will take that little bit of leeway. 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:17.719 She'd be like, go put a jusey on, So we'll 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.520 go put ten jusies on, and then she'd like, go 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.199 take it off, and go take all of them off, 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:25.160 and we we probably just were needed a bit of 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:25.760 smoothing off. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.520 Yeah right, yeah, yeah, but all be pretty successful footy 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.320 players in their own right as well, so that must 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.200 have been part of it in terms of, you know, 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.760 you would have been so physical from such an early 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.360 age that you would have come across on the rugby 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.200 field and they were like, who these lunatic white locks 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.200 who have already looked like they've probably got broken noses 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.680 and coulie flowered ears and they haven't even hit intermediate school. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.840 Yeah, we're all like, like, you call me keep and 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.839 came in can be quite period times. So I think 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.960 my older brothers were shaving quite earlier at school. And 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.240 I remember I was just learning to shave and might 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.520 have been about fourteen fifteen, and I just tried to 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.520 have a shave, got to school and one of the 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.000 teachers like, you need to go have a shave, and 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.280 I was like I just had one today, But I'm 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.080 sure there's a bit of gs to involved there, but 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:14.480 that's kind of what what we were, you know, growing up, 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.320 and enjoyed our time at school because we're all at 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:21.000 high school together as well, so it was all in 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.280 one and all in and we had some amazing fun 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.319 and even running into people now that haven't seen for 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.880 a while at school. A couple of those stories come up, 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.160 and it's quite nice some of them didn't make it 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:32.600 to the book. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.400 There's one particular thing in the book that I enjoyed, 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.080 and that's your you've got it. You're incredibly unlucky when 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:45.360 it comes to credit card roulette? Is that that sounds 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.480 like a horrible run of credit card reallytt And I 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.199 mean most boys trips or whatever do this, And I'm 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.840 glad that it's actually played in the All Black camp 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:55.520 as well. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.120 Yeah, even now I'm starting to sweat because I'm sure 0:10:58.160 --> 0:10:59.640 you're going to go right, get your credit card out, 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.560 we're going to play. So I think I lost it 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.880 was seven in a row. A white crocket actually put 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.880 it in his book and he threw me under the 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:08.800 bus because I'd kind of kept most of it away 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.040 from hand and my wife, but he put it all 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.800 the details in his book and he absolutely got me 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.400 in some massive trouble. But when it got really bad, 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.160 as I actually lost the credit card roulette, which was 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.400 my seventh time on the top of the Eiffel Tower. Oh, 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.920 and you know, I was still pretty young at that stage, 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.000 and I'm like, okay, my card's going to bounce. Lucky 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.320 Rido is there and he chucked down some cash their 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.680 head in his pocket and that managed to scrape me 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.560 through with my overdraft limit and whatever it else. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.679 That's potentially the most expensive restaurant in Paris. Oh. 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:45.520 The worst thing was Luke Romano was in track pants 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.960 and jendles dressed up because that's just what he was wearing. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:50.880 It was one of those things of shall we try 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.440 to get in here? And the guy down the bottom goes, hey, look, 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.319 this is really expensive. There's probably not going to be 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.080 a spot for you, and you're not dressed, and I 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.360 think he saw Rido or whoever it was, and his oh, yeah, 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:04.040 you guys come up. And Luke and I were starving 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.640 afterwards because we just ate a little bit of bread 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.000 there and the meal came out and it was tiny, 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:14.600 and yeah, definitely hurt the pride more than anything. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.000 So do you so, I mean, I'm sure you played 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:18.760 credit card really the same with everyone else. Do you 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.160 just put it into a small bowl and you get 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.679 the weight to just put your hand in, And I mean, 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.000 is your credit card bigger than everyone else's? Is it 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:26.800 a different weight? 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:28.920 Now? That was the worst thing. That was exactly the 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.040 same as a couple of other guys. So they draw 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.480 it out, So two ways of playing it, the first 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.000 one out or the last one. The last one obviously. 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.600 Builds the tea dispense and the tension. 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:43.480 And I think Krocky just grabbed everyone's cards and with 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.560 his tear well broken fingers. Sorry, Crocky's not here to 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.880 defend himself. He's kind of like shuffled them, looked at 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.319 them half not looked with him, and he's just held 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:55.800 up all four of them to the weight staff. And 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:57.880 I'm pretty sure he might have set me up for it. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.480 So I think that's why he enjoys telling that story 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.840 so much. But he lost the next time, which was 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:07.680 so good. So yeah, I really enjoyed putting a little 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.600 short one into his ribs and enjoying that meal. 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.160 Do you miss that camaraderie, because I mean that must 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.760 be a big part of being a part of any 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.120 team really, but even the all blacks set up, do 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:21.520 you miss You're any going to miss that? 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.800 Yeah? Yeah, I think that's only normal and natural. It's 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.439 kind of like being on school camp. But you're in 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.839 school camp for one hundred and fifty days of the 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.040 year and some of your best mates of the air 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.320 and you grow up together. So the guys that I 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.520 started with, you know, the are the ones that you're 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.680 probably closest with because you go through all those ups 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:44.320 and downs, the highs, the lows, and not only yourself 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.840 but also your family's grow up together, so your wives, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:52.000 your kids. So pretty cool to see my kids all, 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.640 especially my son and Fred playing for the Mighty Pups. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:54.960 Yep. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:14:00.560 There was I think about a thousand first games on 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.960 the sideline and about five hundred test matches when you 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:09.920 had Ruben Reed, Kieran's son, frankis boy, he met Todd's boy, 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.240 Cody Taylor's as he DAGs. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.120 The hell of a sideline. It was. 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.960 It was amazing. It's actually quite embarrassing. We rock up 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.000 to under six rapp a touch and the appearents wanted 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:23.040 photos with us on the sideline, but we're trying to 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.720 hood up on yeah, sunglasses, trying to hide. But it's 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.720 cool to see all our wives take the lead and 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.720 a lot of that and just nail what they needed 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.840 to and allow us to be like everyone else appearents 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.000 on the sideline and support not only your kids but 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:38.960 the opposition as well. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.680 Yeah, awesome. I was going to mention something else. There 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:44.680 was a bit of if you've managed to go through 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.240 your career pretty controversy free, I mean, you like mainly 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.360 a little bit, but there was one particular time where 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.760 we were in was in South Africa, were you Yeah, 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.920 And it's one of those casic ones because trust me, 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.600 this has happened to us on numerous occasions when something's 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.840 taken the wrong way on social media and it goes 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.920 to the wrong people when all of a sudden, Yeah 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:09.800 you know that, I'm talking about the hunting the hunter, Yeah, 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.880 how is that? How was that in terms of learning 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.400 a lesson pretty quickly around social media? I think that 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.720 was kind of because you're a hunter anyway. Yeah, yeah, so. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.160 I know where our food comes from. I grew up 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.960 on a farm, so we understood if you wanted to 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.760 egg to go to the Chokowski the eggs if you're 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.000 having steak, you know, you understand that the stairs grown 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.440 and it ends up in the freezer, et cetera. So 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.280 I thought you're going to ask you about my pig 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.840 Mary there for a second. Yeah, we won't go there. 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:39.960 It's a little bit, a little. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.800 Bit okay, right, it's a bit emotional. 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:45.200 But with the hunting stuff, the frustrating thing about it 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.800 is we were over there with the crusaders and they 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.680 had taken some photos who the professional hunting guys that 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.280 were worth and they had sent it to some mates 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.440 and a lady sat on it until the All Blacks 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.000 team was named, which was probably three or four months later. 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.080 And so in her defense, she timed it pretty well. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.760 She tried to have a maximum impact and she did that. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.080 Things were said that we didn't actually do. They said 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.040 that we just shot everything and left all the meat 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.600 and stuff was donated back to local village, so nothing 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.280 was wasted, and things like that. So a little bit 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.280 of the i'll have a comment here, or take it 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:28.240 the wrong way and can be blind up in. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.480 The change the way that you behaved after that, or 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:32.560 you did everything. 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.400 No, not really, Like I knew that we hadn't done 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.560 anything wrong. You know, everyone's allowed their opinion of whether 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:45.400 they want to be vegetarian or not, what they eat 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:49.440 and where they where it's produced and things like that. 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.400 So like I studied a lot of conservation and college 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.640 at university, and it's some one thing a lot of 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.480 people don't know about me. And it's one way the 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.920 local communities they are actually themselves out of potential poverty 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:07.840 is through hunting and targeting the right species. Because the 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.000 South African government actually comes in and culls a whole 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:11.840 lot of things. So yeah, there's all those things in 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.400 behind me. It's hard to explain to someone on social 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:20.080 media without you know, getting boring and drinks out. So 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:22.440 like I said, I wasn't too worried because I knew 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:23.199 we hadn't done anything wrong. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.520 Yeah, fair enough, Okay, before we before we go, I 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.440 do this with all our guests. It's called twenty two 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.560 and two, So it's twenty two rapid fire questions in 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.720 two minutes. It's just yes or no. It's a quick 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.560 answer you can you can move on and pass. I 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:41.439 think the last person we did this was with it 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.640 Liam Lawson. Yeah, he was a couple of questions in here. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.560 He tripped off on so it's nice and quick. 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:53.520 I hope there's no mess or spelling bee content, No, no. 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.320 Sam white Lock. This is your twenty two and two. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:18:02.480 Coffee or tea? Sea sex or drugs? Sex or fast fast? 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.680 Would you rather wake up ned next to Dan Carter 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:14.199 or Richie mccaugh neither tire, Indian uh eat out or dinonnond, 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.920 Freddy Mercury or Elton John Oh, Freddy wet or dry? 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:25.399 We cats or dogs? Dogs, Trevis kelsor Taylor Swift. 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.840 I've actually got my Taylor. We went to Wembley. My 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.040 daughters love it, so I'm wearing them. I can't wait 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:33.760 for them to break off so I don't have to 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:34.040 with them. 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:35.520 You're the dead of the year. Did you take your 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:36.399 daughters to to No? 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.560 I didn't. I took two good mates and my wife. 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:44.640 So oh okay? Almost Andrew Hoare, Anton Oliver and Scott Barrett. 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.960 Who's the player you'd least like to shower next. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.680 To all of them? Probably? 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.679 What rugby? What rugby legend? If you could? Would you 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.560 bring back from the dead Jonah? Absolutely? If if the 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.520