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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither

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Speaker 1: duplusy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected, youth Falk.

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Speaker 1: Said, be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today. Trains in

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Speaker 3: Auckland next year are going to shut down for more

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Speaker 3: than a third of the entire year. We'll speak to

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Speaker 3: the Transport Minister, Simeon Brown about that after five and

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Speaker 3: Strawn former All Black on Ireland versus the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: tomorrow morning and who's going to take that one out?

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Speaker 3: And we're also going to go to Argentina to find

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Speaker 3: out who has been charged over Liam Payne's death.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen, listen.

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Speaker 3: I reckon we might want to consider doing never mind, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: not consider I reckon we should I reckon we should

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Speaker 3: do what the Australians are planning to do and ban

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Speaker 3: the kids from using social media until they reach the

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Speaker 3: age of sixteen. At the moment, we don't have a

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Speaker 3: huge amount of detail on what actually is going to

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Speaker 3: happen in Australia, but we've got a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a sketch kind of emerging, and what we know is

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Speaker 3: the Australians are planning to put in the highest age

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Speaker 3: limit in the world at sixteen. And then the other

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Speaker 3: very important thing is they going to put the onus

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Speaker 3: on social media companies to make this work. Not on

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Speaker 3: the parents, not on the kids, not on the government,

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Speaker 3: not on anybody else. It's going to be on the

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Speaker 3: social media companies to keep the kids off. So there

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Speaker 3: will be an age verification tool and it will be

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Speaker 3: an official one, either biometrics or government ID, and the

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Speaker 3: social media companies have to use it, and they have

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Speaker 3: to keep kids off if they haven't hit sixteen yet,

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Speaker 3: and if they don't, they get penalized. And this is

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Speaker 3: exactly how it should work, because if these social media

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Speaker 3: companies are not forced to take responsibility, they will not

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Speaker 3: take responsibility. They will simply blame someone else ago it's

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Speaker 3: not actually our job. It's up to the parents. Oh whoops,

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Speaker 3: the kid's got on. Ights up to the kids. Oh whoops,

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Speaker 3: the kid's got on heights, up to the government. Oh whoops,

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Speaker 3: the kid's got on That's basically how they'll roll, because

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Speaker 3: that is how they roll at the moment. Because I

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Speaker 3: can tell you with absolute certainty they are not taking responsible.

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Speaker 1: They know full.

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Speaker 3: Well that their product is really bad for the developing brain.

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Speaker 3: And they also know that they're supposed to keep the

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Speaker 3: kids off until they're thirteen, and yet whoops, a whole

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Speaker 3: just happen to have social media accounts. Whoops. Now, I

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Speaker 3: have absolutely zero tolerance for any argument from these companies

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Speaker 3: that they can't do this. Yes they can. They are

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Speaker 3: literally tech geniuses, so if they've got an age verification

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Speaker 3: tool make the tech work. They are extremely wealthy, so

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Speaker 3: if there's some sort of a penalty that involves money,

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Speaker 3: of the founders and a whole bunch of the employees'

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Speaker 3: And you know what worst case scenario is they do

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Speaker 3: the thing that they always do and they threaten to leave.

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Speaker 3: So what be my guest, bugger off, leave the country.

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Speaker 3: I don't care if Facebook or Insta or TikTok or

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Speaker 3: not make your life any better. The only people who

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Speaker 3: on the internet beforehand. We will make it work again right.

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Speaker 3: We will simply go back to using Google and finding

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Speaker 3: So the more I see what Australia is doing, the

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Speaker 3: well I hope we do.

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Speaker 1: Heather Doopers L.

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two, you can hit me with it.

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Speaker 3: exams are too hard now. The teachers at Diocesan Girl

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Speaker 3: So what I mean, like, have you had a look

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Speaker 3: at this? This this genuinely looked too hard to you.

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Speaker 4: Well, it were just parts of questions, Heather, that were

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Speaker 4: and it wasn't all questions, but there are some parts

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Speaker 3: So did you look at the math paper in the

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Speaker 4: Not in detail. I've taken feedback from the head of

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Speaker 4: confirmed that there were parts of questions that were very

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Speaker 4: and I would like to see much more rigor put

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Speaker 3: And also there Okay, so the complaint about the maths

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Speaker 3: paper is question one D on page four. I'm having

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Speaker 3: area that the cylinder has. That's a straight math's equation.

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Speaker 3: What's hard about that? This is level two?

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Speaker 4: No, that's fine, but there are other parts of that question.

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Speaker 3: The that's the one that we were told as a problem.

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Speaker 4: There was a comment that Boon had passed on to

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Speaker 4: the difference between messenger RNA and transfer rna. And you

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Speaker 4: asking students what they know in canboo. But if you ask,

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Speaker 4: well beyond that, you know you're dealing with students who

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Speaker 5: I don't think it.

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Speaker 4: Gives students the right opportunity to find out what they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the reason I'm asking you this, Heather, and I

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Speaker 3: don't I'm not accusing you guys of this at all.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to establish with what is going on

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Speaker 3: is that we have too much of education is making

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Speaker 4: That's an interesting question in what way?

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Speaker 3: Well, I just see at the moment because we're having

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Speaker 3: I can't possibly do that, can't possibly make the kids

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Speaker 3: just want to explore whether that is going on here.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not one of those I wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: They're not in diet.

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Speaker 4: And our school is not like that. But what we

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Speaker 3: All right, Hey, Heather, thank you for your time. Has

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Speaker 3: always really appreciated. Heather McRae, who is the principle of

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Speaker 3: couldn't answered either of those questions. To be fair to me,

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Speaker 3: it's been a while since I did I didn't actually

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Speaker 3: I looked at that and I thought, I'm so glad

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Speaker 3: I'm not at school anymore. Four seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Who will take the White House Results and analysis of

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Speaker 6: On?

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with One New Zealand Let's get

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Speaker 2: connected news talk said, be sport with tab get your

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Speaker 3: Jason Pine sports talk hosters with US, actually weekend sport

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Speaker 3: hosters with US just right now are Piney?

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Speaker 7: Hello, Heather?

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Speaker 3: Now Piney? I mean this is Would you say the

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Speaker 3: Ireland game is going to be the hardest game of

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Speaker 3: the season for the All Blacks?

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Speaker 8: Yep, I think so. And that's off the back of

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Speaker 8: two losses in South Africa as well. Ireland are a

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Speaker 8: good team. They hate us, they love beating us. A

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Speaker 8: lot of history between these two in Dublin Friday nights

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Speaker 8: with six day turnaround rather than seven. We're missing vone

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Speaker 8: and Barrett and Cody Taylor. They've beaten us before the

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Speaker 8: quarter final last year five of the previous eight games.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it'll be tough. Very tough.

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Speaker 3: You got any gossam what Ethan Degroup's been up to.

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Speaker 7: No, I don't have any idea about that at all.

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Speaker 7: I think that all Blacks will win the game?

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Speaker 3: This is a nasty side of you. We don't get

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Speaker 8: This is crazy right, this is the new Formula one

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Speaker 8: therefore they shouldn't swear. Look, this is high, high elite

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Speaker 3: Which are they getting fined?

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't go sea bomb, would you?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely not?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the whole range of swear words, Piney, what

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Speaker 7: You know what's worse than the sea word?

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Speaker 3: The N word.

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Speaker 8: Anyway, these Formula one drivers think that's absolutely it was

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Speaker 3: That's not even a swear word. That's like a whole

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Speaker 8: Look, anyway, I think the Formula one, I think the

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a bit silly, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: What would we do though, if the All blex Imagine

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Speaker 3: you know what? That was a really eft performance but

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Speaker 3: Interesting times for twenty.

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Speaker 2: Four Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get

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Speaker 2: the facts. It's Heather Duplessy Allan drive with one New

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Speaker 3: Be twenty six past four. Hey, how mental is this?

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Speaker 3: So it sounds like Auckland's entire rail network, not just bits.

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Speaker 3: That's like Math's question. That's like either somewhere between a

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Speaker 3: Simmy and Brown will be us after five to explain

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Speaker 3: what's going on here here that it's not fair to

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Speaker 2: Next, hard questions.

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Speaker 1: That's a strong opinion.

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Speaker 2: He the duper see allan drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Sure to think of all the traffic from moving containers

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Speaker 3: thank you for that, Jason. So it's not just going

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Speaker 3: Damn Missison's with us very shortly and Barry Soper in

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Speaker 3: It's twenty three away from five right now.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on youth talks. It'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: Russian President Vladimir Putin has congratulated Trumpy on his victory

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Speaker 12: Here's a desire to rebuild relations with Russia, to facilitate

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Speaker 1: This deserves attention at the very least.

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Speaker 3: Pouti also said he admires the way that Trump handled

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: We're not sure how they escaped, but this is the

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of mind

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Speaker 3: Dan looking to the US correspondence with US Dan, Heather,

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Speaker 3: how are you feeling tired?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, tired?

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Speaker 5: I'm feeling actually a little relieved that it's over, a

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight and about, oh, I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 3: So no disappointment that the Orange Man got elected.

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Speaker 5: No, I mean it's not It's not really my job

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was going to ask me that, were you surprised?

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Speaker 5: If you had asked me three months ago who I

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Speaker 5: I said, Oh, this is not this is not going

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Speaker 5: You did.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, It's going to be a fun four years, though

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Speaker 3: we can at least we can at least get it

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Speaker 3: at But I'll tell you what you know. For all

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Speaker 3: the people who think that Donald Trump hates women, it

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Speaker 3: is quite something that he has appointed Susie Wilds to

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Speaker 3: be his chief of stuff. And am I right in

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Speaker 3: thinking that she is the first woman in the history

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Speaker 3: of your country to be appointed as chief of stuff?

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Speaker 5: She is, And that is just a head scratcher to

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Speaker 5: think that it has taken that long to get.

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Speaker 3: And it takes a lady hated to do it.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah it is.

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Speaker 5: And basically, I mean she's she's the one who's credited

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Speaker 5: behind the scenes for helping Donald Trump to win this thing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, she goes all the way back to the seventies,

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Speaker 5: in the early eighties. She worked with Reagan back in

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Speaker 5: the day. But she has avoided the spotlight, which is

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Speaker 5: why a lot of people don't even know who she is.

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Speaker 5: She didn't want to take the mic when Trump said

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Speaker 5: come on up during the celebration Wednesday morning. And I

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Speaker 5: think most people will agree that she's earned his respect

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Speaker 5: and maybe we'll stick around for a while because during

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Speaker 5: his first administration he went through I think three or

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Speaker 5: maybe four chiefs of staff. But apparently this is a

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Speaker 5: woman that, you know, when she doesn't like what Trump says,

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Speaker 5: he knows it and respects that, and she can just

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Speaker 5: sort of stare him down.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 3: She has a vibe about her that's not sycophantaka like,

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Speaker 3: she has quite a matronly vibe. I reckon that she

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Speaker 3: would have him by the shortened curlies. She'd be killing

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Speaker 3: him off.

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Speaker 5: I think, can I tell you, this is the highlight

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Speaker 5: of my week, honestly, when I get to talk with

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Speaker 5: you about this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I from the other side of the world.

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Speaker 5: But you're right, You're right, And I think she is

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Speaker 5: going to stick around for a little while now.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden, I think he does deserve the criticism that

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Speaker 3: he's getting at the moment for holding on too long

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Speaker 3: and essentially helping Kamala to lose the election.

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Speaker 5: I think he deserves part of that. After listening to

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Speaker 5: him speak today, I think this was probably the best

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Speaker 5: speech that I've heard him give in some time. I mean,

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Speaker 5: he seems sincere, he seemed presidential. I think he gave

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Speaker 5: the tape of message that most people wanted to hear

485
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Speaker 5: and needed to hear over here vowing this, you know this,

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Speaker 5: this peaceful transition, and saying setbacks are unavoidable, but giving

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Speaker 5: up is unforgivable. I thought it was a very well

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Speaker 5: written speech. I thought he looked on on target. It's

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Speaker 5: too bad that he didn't do this six months ago,

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Speaker 5: and he didn't come across like this six months ago.

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Speaker 5: They may not have had to drag Kamala to the

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Speaker 5: to the front of the DNC, and I mean, who

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Speaker 5: knows where she's going to end up, you know, in

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Speaker 5: the future in terms of the party, but I think

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Speaker 5: it's safe to say for the next four years, basically

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Speaker 5: this is going to be a Republican led country and

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump is the you know, the godfather of the

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Speaker 5: Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite an interesting time. I dan listen, thank

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Speaker 3: you very much, and I look forward to talking to

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Speaker 3: you again next week. Another highlight of of your weekend,

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Speaker 3: Ted Mitchison, how you is correspondent Susie Wiles. Though, Ah, Susie,

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Speaker 3: if you have a look, you just google her over

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Speaker 3: quick Google. It's not the Oxy Whiles, like our Seoxy

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Speaker 3: Wiles with the pink hare, the epidemiologist. It's like standard Susie.

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Speaker 3: Do you hard you feel? How do you think our

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Speaker 3: Susie feels about now not being the most famous Susie

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Speaker 3: Wiles in the world. But anyway, so google Susie Wiles

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Speaker 3: and you'll see what I mean. She looks like his mum,

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Speaker 3: Like she is one of those ones. She will remind

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Speaker 3: him of his nanny, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: No mucking around with her. She's going to be running

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Speaker 3: the show and you know that for sure. And if

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Speaker 3: she leaves, well it's one of those ones whereas like

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Speaker 3: when the office lady leaves and everything falls apart as

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Speaker 3: that kind of vibe the queen. How about this? Eh?

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Speaker 3: So apparently Queen Elizabeth was still keeping a private diary

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Speaker 3: regularly until two days before she died. So she died

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Speaker 3: on eighth of September a couple of years ago, so

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Speaker 3: eight September twenty twenty two. And on sixth September, two

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Speaker 3: days before she died, last entry she just wrote, Edward

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Speaker 3: came to see me and it was Sir Edward Young

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Speaker 3: her privates, and then she made some notes about the

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Speaker 3: swearing and of her new Privy Council members, and then

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Speaker 3: died in a sleep a couple of days later. Seventeen

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Speaker 3: away from five politics.

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Speaker 1: Was centric credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 3: Certainty Barry Soper, senior political correspondence with us.

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Speaker 11: Hey, Barry, good afternoon, Heathery.

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Speaker 3: So what does Luxon sound like? Does he sound like

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Speaker 3: he's keen on following the example of the Aussies with

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Speaker 3: the social media?

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Speaker 11: Yes, well I will, I'll play him in a sec

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Speaker 11: But yes he does. And like you said in your introduction,

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Speaker 11: Heather that the tech giants would be responsible for banning

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Speaker 11: kids under sixteen. It'd be a revolutionary task to take

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Speaker 11: on because no one else in the world does at

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Speaker 11: that age anyway. The new laws were presented to the

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Speaker 11: state and territory leaders in Australia this week and they'll

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Speaker 11: be introduced to Parliament in late Novembers. So they're going

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Speaker 11: ahead with it. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how

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Speaker 11: it works. Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram,

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Speaker 11: they say that they'll respect any age limitation the government

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Speaker 11: wants to introduce. Now that being very cooperative here, and

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Speaker 11: if they are, you'd think that would be the battle one.

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Speaker 11: But I think it'll be a pretty hard one to implement.

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Speaker 11: Neverth you were going to say it's something, but nevertheless,

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Speaker 11: you think it would be hard to imply. Well, you know,

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Speaker 11: I mean, how a kid can hit a button saying yes,

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Speaker 11: I am sixteen years old, and.

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Speaker 3: That's how you do it. So how you do it?

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Speaker 3: There are a bunch of ways that you can do

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Speaker 3: it right, But what you essentially want to do is

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Speaker 3: you want to have a third party, like let's say

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Speaker 3: the government that verifies your age. So I'm going to

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Speaker 3: use you as an example. So you Barry Soper, you

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Speaker 3: send in the government knows how old you are, right,

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Speaker 3: you're above the age of eighteen. It's you have a

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Speaker 3: verified token or something like that online that says this

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Speaker 3: account user is over the age of eighteen, which allows

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Speaker 3: you then to have a social media account to all

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Speaker 3: these things. Right, So that's what you do for the kids.

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Speaker 3: And if they're not over the age of eighteen, then

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Speaker 3: they're not age verified. They don't get to have it.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: This also will solve a whole bunch of other problems

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Speaker 3: for us potentially where we have thirteen year old kids

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Speaker 3: and younger eight year old kids going on porn websites.

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Speaker 3: Now you can start to prohibit that as well. We've

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Speaker 3: got to get on top of the totally freedom and look,

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Speaker 3: the tech solution is out there. They just don't want

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Speaker 3: to find it because these guys don't get wound up here.

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Speaker 3: Social media companies want the kids hooked on their product.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, no, I totally agree. Well, the idea was put

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Speaker 11: to Chris Luckson today and I'm going to say he

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Speaker 11: seems quite keen on it.

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Speaker 12: Haven't listened to it, but I've got some interest in

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Speaker 12: that idea actually, you know, just with respect to what

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Speaker 12: we've seen with respect to cyber bullying in particular in

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Speaker 12: New Zealand, and we've seen some real advantage of the

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Speaker 12: cell phone ban across the schools. But that's something that

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Speaker 12: frankly our cabinet hasn't discussed in detail, but there's something

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Speaker 12: that I'd be open to discussing in the future.

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Speaker 11: So certainly there are other issues that are probably more

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Speaker 11: pressing for the government.

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Speaker 3: At the moment, but cyber bullying is the least emergent.

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Speaker 11: I would imagine that it'll be before cabinet.

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Speaker 3: I would love to and you know what, kudos to

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Speaker 3: the Aussies for having the balls to Actually now I'm

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Speaker 3: a little bit disappointed to see the Order to General

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Speaker 3: doesn't want to get involved in the Kazy Costello stuff.

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Speaker 11: Well, look, technically it's not the Order to General's job.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 11: Aischeverel made a big deal about calling the Order to

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Speaker 11: General in well, I think the letter that she got

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Speaker 11: back is pretty self explanatory. Actually, it came from the

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Speaker 11: Deputy Order to General Andrew McConnell. He said that the

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Speaker 11: Office can hold public organizations to account for their performance

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Speaker 11: and use of public money, but was unable to express

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Speaker 11: views on the merits of government policy decisions. I mean,

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Speaker 11: if you want to really take it further, you go

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Speaker 11: to the ombudsman and talk about, you know, whether something

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Speaker 11: is okay or not. They can include examining a decision

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Speaker 11: maker basically whether it's approbe create on an agreed process

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Speaker 11: that has taken place. But they can't win. A government

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Speaker 11: makes a decision on policy. It's not the Order to

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Speaker 11: General's job. And to me it just shows the Aischaviral,

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Speaker 11: being a relatively new MP, should really understand what the

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Speaker 11: role of the Order to General.

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Speaker 3: I'm only disappointed because I thought that if the AG

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Speaker 3: got involved, at least we could put one of the

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Speaker 3: world's most boring stories to bed.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 11: I couldn't agree more with that. And you know, and

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Speaker 11: not a great deal has been made by the media.

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Speaker 11: I think that Aischaviral's sister in law was unbeknown what

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Speaker 11: she was unbown Costello in her now, you know, honestly,

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Speaker 11: this has been a mess from start to finish.

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Speaker 3: Hey what about Seymour having a crack at the net?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it. I mean, look, they

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Speaker 11: can beg to differ and that's part of their coalition

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Speaker 11: agreement with varying parties. But I think you know, what

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Speaker 11: David Seymour doing is showing that we can make the

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Speaker 11: hard decisions. We've bought the Treaty Principal's Bill into Parliament.

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Speaker 14: Well, you know, you go.

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Speaker 11: And he says that the government is essentially averse to

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Speaker 11: taking on hard issues. Well, he said it on Hosking

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Speaker 11: this morning. When you look at outlawing gang.

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Speaker 3: Patches, it's not a hard issue.

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Speaker 11: Well it's pretty hard, you're well, it's popular. Are scrapping

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Speaker 11: the Moldy Health Authority.

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Speaker 3: That's a hard that's a hard decision.

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Speaker 11: The tunnel decision in Wellington.

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Speaker 3: That's not a hard decision.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think it's a pretty hard decision.

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Speaker 5: Really.

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Speaker 11: Well, maybe he's got a point.

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Speaker 3: He's got a point. But Luxon and the people who

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Speaker 3: are advising him are terrified of dealing with the Treaty issue, right,

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Speaker 3: Either either they don't understand it, or that terrified of.

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Speaker 11: Being because I think we should be having the debate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or that terrified of being labeled racists or whatever.

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Speaker 3: But Chris Luckson has not mounted a coherent and convincing

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Speaker 3: argument as to why he doesn't want to go here

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Speaker 3: because actually there is a there is a convincing argument

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Speaker 3: as to the way we should.

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Speaker 11: David Seema would think that Hope is still alive because

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Speaker 11: you know he's going on social media. Dear, I say

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Speaker 11: it and really appealing to the public over and above

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Speaker 11: the politicians. This overwhelming support on this and submissions to

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Speaker 11: the Select Committee. Who knows what the government might do.

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Speaker 11: Although I'd say that it's too late for the National

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Speaker 11: Party to back down.

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Speaker 3: Now Lackson's painted himself and bloody awkward call it on

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Speaker 3: this one. I think. Okay, Barry, thanks, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: We'll wrap the political week that was with you later

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Speaker 3: on quarter past six. It's Barry Sober, Senior Political Correspondence

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Speaker 3: seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: Digging into the issues that affect you the my hosting breakfast.

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Speaker 15: A jobless rate is still to rise, Yes it is.

661
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Speaker 15: But if the forecasts were wrong now, my bet is

662
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Speaker 15: those who think it will go to six percent will

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Speaker 15: be wrong next year. I've had a number of doctors

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Speaker 15: over the year. I couldn't care less who they are.

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Speaker 15: Couldn't get a manned woman. I've had agent Wan.

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Speaker 1: What's it matter?

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Speaker 5: How is it.

668
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Speaker 15: You couldn't get National across the line on this, why

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Speaker 15: is it dead?

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Speaker 1: Essentially?

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Speaker 8: I think the National Party are afraid of taking on

672
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Speaker 8: hard issues.

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Speaker 4: That's why I never joined the National Party.

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Speaker 15: Back Monday, from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 15: the Rain drive of the LAHN News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: There are quite a few texts coming in saying I

677
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Speaker 3: can't read them because speaking about swear words before, and

678
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Speaker 3: there's a little bit of swearing going on here, but

679
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Speaker 3: basically accusing Chris Luxiner being a coward on this and

680
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: siding with David seymoy. I do think that Chris Luxon

681
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Speaker 3: may have a little bit of an issue, a little

682
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Speaker 3: bit of a problem emerging on the Treaty Principles bill,

683
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Speaker 3: but we see how the thing plays out hither. I'm

684
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Speaker 3: totally with you on the social media issue. Having bought

685
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Speaker 3: and sold a few houses over the past couple of years,

686
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Speaker 3: I've lost counter the number of times I've had to

687
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Speaker 3: go through those verify me processes where you take a

688
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Speaker 3: picture of your driver's license or your passport and then

689
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Speaker 3: take a video every face to get verified. So sure,

690
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Speaker 3: kids could go on to their parents or siblings phone

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Speaker 3: and use social media, but you know, at least try

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Speaker 3: to get them to age identify. I couldn't agree more hither.

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Speaker 3: I know it's Friday or a text like that, you

694
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Speaker 3: know someone's wound up. I know it's Friday, and I

695
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: know I should be relaxing a bit, but it absolutely

696
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Speaker 3: guts me that Grant Robertson, who left us in an

697
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Speaker 3: absolute pile of financial decay things he can beg note

698
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Speaker 3: by giving his money away because he's in a privileged position.

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Speaker 3: What a bloody joke. What about this guy though? Way,

700
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Speaker 3: So credit like credit to Grant Robertson. What he's done

701
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Speaker 3: is he's on a pretty good wicket now, like he's

702
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Speaker 3: on well over six hundred hour years, so that's that's nice.

703
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Speaker 3: And he lives in Dunedin, so it's going to go

704
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Speaker 3: a hell of a lot further than it would do,

705
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Speaker 3: and you know, in the North Island. So he's decided

706
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Speaker 3: that he's going to open seven scholarships for kids at

707
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Speaker 3: Otago University and each of them is worth seven thousand dollars.

708
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Speaker 3: So he's actually setting aside fifty thousand dollars of his

709
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Speaker 3: own money for scholarships. That's a lot of money. Good

710
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Speaker 3: on him. But then he loses the room, doesn't he

711
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Speaker 3: Because then he's like, hey, guys, hey, guys, hey, look

712
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Speaker 3: at what I'm doing. I'm giving away scholarships. I feel like,

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Speaker 3: isn't there something is Edwards? Isn't there something in the

714
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Speaker 3: Bible about like you, if you brag about a brag

715
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Speaker 3: about your generosity on earth, Earth, you don't get the

716
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 3: riches in heaven or something like. I don't know, he might,

717
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Speaker 3: I don't know, something like that, but yeah, big noting.

718
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Speaker 3: That's not a good idea, is it. Anyway? Listen, We're

719
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Speaker 3: gonna have a chat to Sammy and Brown the Transport

720
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Speaker 3: Minister next up and find out what the hell is

721
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Speaker 3: going on with the rail system in Auckland and why

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Speaker 3: it has to all be shut down for basically like

723
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Speaker 3: a quarter of the year next year. And then after

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Speaker 3: that Ant Straw and former All Black on whether we've

725
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Speaker 3: got this game in the bag this weekend or are

726
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Speaker 3: we in trouble?

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Speaker 16: News Talks ebe of the Next Too, the Next two.

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Speaker 2: The Only Drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

729
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Speaker 2: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather Dupless The Alan Drive with One New Zealand Let's

731
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Speaker 2: get connected the news talk as.

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Speaker 1: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. It looks like Auckland rail users are set are

734
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Speaker 3: in for a whole lot more disruption next year. The

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Speaker 3: entire rail network and the biggest city will close for

736
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Speaker 3: ninety six days in total in the next thirteen months

737
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Speaker 3: to upgrade the network, which is basically, when you think

738
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Speaker 3: about it, one in every four days. It's going to

739
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Speaker 3: start this Christmas is going to carry on until the

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Speaker 3: end of January twenty twenty six and Transport Minister Simeon

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Speaker 3: browners with us, Hey, Simeon.

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Speaker 17: Good evening.

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Speaker 3: Does this shock you that this is necessary?

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Speaker 18: Well, it is.

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Speaker 17: Necessary because we need to make sure we don't have

746
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Speaker 17: ongoing works following the CRL opening. But ultimately this rebuilt

747
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Speaker 17: has been fully funded by the government so that once

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Speaker 17: the CRL is open, we can maximize its benefit and

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Speaker 17: actually make sure we can get more people onto public

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Speaker 17: transport and as it transforms public transport in our city.

751
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Speaker 17: So I get this is going to be incredibly frustrating

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Speaker 17: for rail users, but we have worked very closely to

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Speaker 17: make sure that the disruption is minimized around the Christmas,

754
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Speaker 17: New Year blocks, Easter blocks, long weekends and school holidays,

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Speaker 17: rather than during those other times when traffic is far

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Speaker 17: worse on our road. So we have everything we can

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Speaker 17: to minimize the disruption, but totally acknowledge very frustrating.

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Speaker 3: Not possible to do it overnight.

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Speaker 17: There work we round twenty four seven around the clock.

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Speaker 17: So the idea here is having the closures for four

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Speaker 17: weeks over Christmas New Year's twenty four to seven work

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Speaker 17: get in.

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Speaker 3: I understand some mean so they're doing blocks and then

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Speaker 3: they're doing it twenty four seven, But would it not

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Speaker 3: be better to leave the tracks open during the day

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Speaker 3: when people are using them and then shut them down

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Speaker 3: every single work.

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Speaker 17: You can get about thirty percent more efficiency by actually

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Speaker 17: having a full closure and getting in there, because otherwise

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Speaker 17: you've got to set up that takes time. Overnight, you

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Speaker 17: got to pack down again or your gear, make sure

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Speaker 17: the railway is safe again, and then get back into

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Speaker 17: the work. So it's about maximizing efficiency whilst minimizing disruption,

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Speaker 17: so it's finally balanced. I appreciate the frustration that many

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Speaker 17: Aucklanders will be facing with this, but we have to

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Speaker 17: get this work done before the city rail link opens.

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Speaker 17: Aucklanders will not tolerate if this work is ongoing and

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Speaker 17: there's a continued line closures once the city rail link

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Speaker 17: is open.

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Speaker 3: Is it only going to take ninety six days?

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Speaker 17: There's contingency built in around around some of these as well,

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Speaker 17: so ultimately that's the amount of time that's there. We've

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Speaker 17: made our expectations incredibly clear to Kyral. They have to

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Speaker 17: work around the clock, get the work done.

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Speaker 3: Promise you, though have they said, it's only.

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Speaker 17: Commitments to me, and we will be holding them very

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Speaker 17: clearly to account.

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Speaker 3: What happens if it takes longer than ninety six days.

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Speaker 17: Well, look, there are well in terms of the time,

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Speaker 17: and there is no more time other than what has

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Speaker 17: been provided, as you'll see in terms of the calendar

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Speaker 17: that's been published. So there's the ninety six days of

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Speaker 17: full closures, there's a number of days of single line closures,

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Speaker 17: and there are some single line contingency closures which have

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Speaker 17: been built in. So they have built contingency into this

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Speaker 17: program that's been published. But what we've done is we've

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Speaker 17: been very clear about what the program is, people can

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Speaker 17: plan around it. We've taken major events into account as well,

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Speaker 17: and by putting that the disruption to those school holidays,

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Speaker 17: it means that the buses that would otherwise be available

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Speaker 17: would be required for school bus routes are available to

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Speaker 17: make sure that there is alternatives to hate people when

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Speaker 17: the trains are closed. So it has been well thought through.

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Speaker 17: I get the frustration those is very challenging. We have

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Speaker 17: to get the work done though before the city railink opens.

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Speaker 3: Col Man, Hey, best of luck with it, Sime, and

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Speaker 3: thanks Simon Brown the Transport Minister.

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Speaker 1: The dule, it's a really big.

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Speaker 3: Rugby game for us tomorrow morning our time. The Irish

810
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Speaker 3: will get the chance at revenge because remember the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks knock them out of the World Cup and Strawn

812
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Speaker 3: as a former All Black and is with us A.

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Speaker 1: And afternoon Heather, how are you?

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Speaker 13: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good. It's going to be tough for us though,

816
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Speaker 3: isn't it, because we've got Body and Cody out with

817
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Speaker 3: the injuries.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I guess those force changes with al Moore and

819
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Speaker 19: McKenzie coming into those two critical spots, we're probably the

820
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Speaker 19: only changes that the All Backs were going to make.

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Speaker 19: But you know, by all accounts they both contributed significantly

822
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Speaker 19: when they came on against the English. So a pretty

823
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Speaker 19: settled look about this All Black side.

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Speaker 3: Though, do you think that Damien McKenzie has proved his placeman.

825
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Speaker 3: Has he convinced you in that position?

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Speaker 19: My honest answers, probably no, not yet. He does add

827
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Speaker 19: immense value coming off the bench, and I think there's

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Speaker 19: been a lot of focus on what numbers sixteen to

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Speaker 19: twenty three do with this all Black team, particularly at

830
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Speaker 19: the back end of games, and he does really well

831
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Speaker 19: coming off bench to be a legitimate starter and you know,

832
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Speaker 19: to encapsulate all the critical things you need from a

833
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Speaker 19: pivot at number ten. I think he's still missing something

834
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Speaker 19: when it comes to an international level in terms of

835
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Speaker 19: his consistency, So still some work to do in that regard.

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Speaker 3: Hey, this Sexton thing, is this a thing like has

837
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Speaker 3: he got inside their heads? Or is just a bit

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Speaker 3: of fun?

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Speaker 19: Oh look, there's a whole lot of versions to this,

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Speaker 19: aren't there. I mean there was a probably a little

841
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 19: bit of nastiness around it initially, just frustrations born out,

842
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Speaker 19: you know, at the height of a World Cup quarter final,

843
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 19: lots of pressure on both teams, particularly the Irish, and

844
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Speaker 19: you know that probably was there for a little while.

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Speaker 19: But I think, you know, ruby plays in general move

846
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Speaker 19: on pretty quickly, so I don't think it's been a

847
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Speaker 19: major issue. But yeah, we never really know because the

848
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 19: react definitely to certain things. So what we will what

849
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Speaker 19: we do know who is that this is going to

850
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Speaker 19: be real spicy this game because you know, the Iris

851
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Speaker 19: are playing at home. They've got a point to prove

852
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Speaker 19: and always very tough to but I mean they've been

853
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 19: so consistent on the global scale too, you know, so

854
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Speaker 19: that arguably the are the favorites coming into tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 19: So yeah, it's going to be a wonderful test match.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff. Hey, have you got any gossip? What

857
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Speaker 3: it is that Ethan de group did?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: Not at all.

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Speaker 19: Unfortunately I'm an old thing now, so a lot of

861
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Speaker 19: those things escape me these days.

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Speaker 3: We're all out of the loop. And if we found

863
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Speaker 3: out would probably be just be very jealous that he

864
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Speaker 3: managed to get up to something fun And thank you

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Speaker 3: very much, appreciate it. And Straw and former All Black

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Speaker 3: together do for see you well here that you'll thinking

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Speaker 3: of Regrant robertson the Parable of the Widow. The poor

868
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Speaker 3: widow gave the couple some sense quietly, and the rich

869
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Speaker 3: man gave the couple a lot very loudly, made a

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Speaker 3: big deal about it, and Jesus said he got his reward,

871
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Speaker 3: but the woman who gave out of her very little

872
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Speaker 3: would have riches in heaven. Thank you, David. That's the

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Speaker 3: one grant. No riches in heim heaven because you skyeted

874
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: about it too much on Earth. Now, two of our

875
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Speaker 3: education ministers have today given the PPTA quite a big SmackDown.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember how David Seymour had said a few

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Speaker 3: weeks ago that the government was going to enforce the

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Speaker 3: ppta's obviously just given him the giant finger, haven't they.

881
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Speaker 3: They've now scheduled a paid union meeting during a school day,

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Speaker 3: and Erica Stanford and David Seymour are really not happy

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Speaker 3: about it. They put out a joint press release, which

884
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Speaker 3: is in and of itself reasonably unusual, says unions shouldn't

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Speaker 3: get in the way of student learning, urging the Post

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Speaker 3: The ppta's decision to schedule paid union meetings in a

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892
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893
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895
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Speaker 1: Ellen.

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Speaker 3: I meant to say. The rugby match kicks off in

915
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Speaker 3: Dublin just after nine am our time tomorrow and you

916
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Speaker 3: can tune into z B for Life commentary with Elliot

917
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Speaker 3: Smith and Gregor Paul. It's eighteen past five now. Three

918
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Speaker 3: people have been arrested over the death of the One

919
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Speaker 3: Direction star Liam Payin. He fell to his death from

920
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Speaker 3: a Buenos Aires hotel balcony last month. Valen Ritziba is

921
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Speaker 3: an editor of the Buenos Aires Herald Higen Valen Hi

922
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Speaker 3: have that now I see that one of the charged

923
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Speaker 3: apparently accompanied Liam Payne. Now what does that mean? Does

924
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Speaker 3: that mean that they accompanied Liam Payne to Argentina.

925
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Speaker 9: It sounds from you know, the information that I received

926
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Speaker 9: from the prosecutor that it's someone who accompanied him when

927
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Speaker 9: he was in Buenos Aires during his stay, not that

928
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Speaker 9: this Esson came with Liam to buenas aids.

929
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Speaker 3: I see, okay, and they are charged with abandonment when

930
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Speaker 3: he was in a vulnerable state and supply.

931
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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 20: Yes?

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Speaker 9: Exactly, that first person is charged with abandonment, and there's

934
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Speaker 9: also you know, as you meant the intro that there's

935
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Speaker 9: also accusations against two other people about providing drugs, and

936
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Speaker 9: this first person also has that. But the big one

937
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Speaker 9: is the abandonment for this first person.

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Speaker 3: Do you how do you determine what? I mean, this

939
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Speaker 3: seems to me a really tricky charge, because how do

940
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Speaker 3: you determine what a vulnerable status that might lead to

941
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Speaker 3: somebody being in a real, really big trouble and you

942
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Speaker 3: can't abandon them.

943
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Speaker 5: That's a fantastic question.

944
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Speaker 9: I mean, reading through what's been sent on by the prosecutor,

945
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Speaker 9: you know, they've gone through over eight hundred hours of

946
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Speaker 9: security camera footage. Dozens of people have testified. There's evidence,

947
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Speaker 9: of course that there was alcohol and drug consumption in

948
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Speaker 9: the seventy two hours prior to his dead. So I

949
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Speaker 9: think I am not the prosecutor, I am not legal counsel,

950
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Speaker 9: but I would assume that that is the It is

951
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Speaker 9: the conjunction of all those things that lead to that

952
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Speaker 9: charge being made.

953
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Speaker 3: And villain the hotel employee also charged with supplying drugs.

954
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Speaker 9: Yes, the second persons is a hotel employee and is

955
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Speaker 9: being charged with two occasions in which they provide Limpagne

956
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Speaker 9: with cocaine. How volume was at the hotel.

957
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Speaker 3: I was fascinated to see just the other day a

958
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Speaker 3: headline flesh up and say his body was being returned.

959
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Speaker 3: I mean, that is a long time for authorities to

960
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Speaker 3: hold onto a body. Is that normal?

961
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Speaker 5: That is again a good question.

962
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Speaker 9: I wouldn't know, because this is obviously complicated by the

963
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Speaker 9: fact that this is a foreigner in Argentina, So I

964
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Speaker 9: don't know if that made things difficult. The last time

965
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Speaker 9: we spoke, I remember saying a lot about the fact

966
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Speaker 9: that there's a sound what's being processed, because this is

967
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Speaker 9: an ongoing investigation, So I think that's also a factor there, where,

968
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Speaker 9: you know, things were sort of held up while the

969
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Speaker 9: preliminary studies were being made. And in fact, the ruling

970
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Speaker 9: by the prosecutor hasn't been released yet, obviously, as it's

971
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Speaker 9: the first thing we asked for, right, you know, to

972
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Speaker 9: see the original ruling. The prosecutor said, you know, we

973
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Speaker 9: would rather not because there are still some elements that

974
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Speaker 9: we are you know, some loose hands that we are

975
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Speaker 9: still tying up, and so we don't want to put

976
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Speaker 9: out everything just yet.

977
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Speaker 3: That makes sense, Hey, Valin, thanks very much for talking

978
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Speaker 3: us through it, as always as Valin Adicibau, who's a

979
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Speaker 3: herald editor at the Buenosido's Herald. Five twenty one.

980
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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

981
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Speaker 2: Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

982
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Speaker 2: youth talks.

983
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Speaker 3: That'd be Apparently the Irish are being encouraged to do

984
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: something with our hauka as well. We're going to talk

985
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Speaker 3: to the sports tuddle when they're with us shortly. It's

986
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Speaker 3: five twenty four. I'll tell you what this time on

987
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 3: a Friday appears to be turning into props Friday because

988
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: last week I gave the old props to Todd McLay

989
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: for doing an awesome job at his job. Basically, I

990
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Speaker 3: suppose I'm about to give props to Winnie Pee for

991
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: being awesome at his job as well. Because if you

992
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: had any doubt that Winston Peters is very good at

993
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: being Foreign Minister, this week should have put that right

994
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: out of your head. He picked Donald Trump was going

995
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Speaker 3: to win this week, or at least had a very

996
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: very good chance of winning this week, and so he

997
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Speaker 3: this is Winston Peters. He got our ducks in a

998
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: row to make sure that we as a country are

999
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Speaker 3: on the best position possible with Trump. Now, what you

1000
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: need to understand about Donald Trump is that he's not

1001
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Speaker 3: a rules guy, right. I mean, I think that's abundantly

1002
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: clear to us. He's not a rules guy. So he's

1003
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Speaker 3: not the kind of guy who's going to care that

1004
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Speaker 3: he's supposed to be nice to New Zealand to meet

1005
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Speaker 3: with our people because we're friends of America. That doesn't

1006
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: matter to him. He's a relationships guy. Now there's a

1007
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: story about how Australia got an exemption from Trump's steel

1008
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: tariffs last time he was president. Remember how we got

1009
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: whacked with it but Ossie got off. Well, apparently it

1010
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: was because Malcolm Turnbull, who was the Prime Minister at

1011
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: the time of Australia, had a bunch of meetings with Trump.

1012
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Speaker 3: When he knew this was going to happen, he scheduled

1013
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: a bunch of meetings with Trump, including one on a boat,

1014
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: just to get friendly. And guess what, when the tariffs

1015
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: came out, they didn't get a tariff whacked on them

1016
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 3: and we did. So Winston has basically made sure that

1017
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Speaker 3: we are lined up with our relationships. He's put Roseberry

1018
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: Banks back into Washington as our ambassador. She was our

1019
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: ambassador last time Trump was there. To have somebody be

1020
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Speaker 3: the ambassador, go away and come back as the ambassador

1021
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: is quite unusual and very deliberate. And the point of

1022
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Speaker 3: that is basically, she's got existing relationships, doesn't she. And

1023
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Speaker 3: apparently according to journo's who went with Luxelon to Washington,

1024
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: DC in July, they now understand why there were so

1025
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: many meetings between Luxon and a whole bunch of Republicans

1026
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Speaker 3: at the time. Now, compare Winston's approach this time around

1027
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Speaker 3: to what the Ossies have done this time. The Aussies

1028
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 3: have been complete, like just fools about this. So they

1029
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: stuck Kevin Rudden as their ambassador about eighteen months ago.

1030
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Speaker 3: And this is a guy who is now having to

1031
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Speaker 3: delete tweets in which he called Trump a tweeter, a traitor.

1032
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 3: That's not getting your ducks in a row? Is it

1033
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: at all so impressive from Winston? Props to him because

1034
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Speaker 3: not only did he read the mood right that Trump

1035
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: was going to win, but he also started preparing for

1036
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Speaker 3: it yonks ago. And that is the benefit of having

1037
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Speaker 3: probably the most experienced foreign minister in the country's history

1038
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 3: at the helm at a challenging time. Ever, do see

1039
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: now this is quite funny. Okay. There is a photo

1040
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: on the Vanity Fair Instagram account at the moment can

1041
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 3: Bow one of their Pulitzer Prize Award winning photo journalists,

1042
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: a chap called David Hume Kenneley, and the photograph is

1043
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: of a man at the Kamala Harris HQ on election night,

1044
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 3: absolutely distraught. He's gutted. Ay, He's got one hand has

1045
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: got his phone to his ear and the other hand

1046
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: has got on his head. He's got his head in

1047
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 3: his hands and he's bent over looking at the ground

1048
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: and he is gutted. Actually, what's going on is that's

1049
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 3: Mark Gilbert while he's on the phone to us on

1050
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: this show just after five o'clock while the election results

1051
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Speaker 3: were coming in, and he wasn't distraught at all. He

1052
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: just couldn't hear us very well. So he had his hand,

1053
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Speaker 3: he had the phone as tight as he could to

1054
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Speaker 3: his face, and then the other hand, his head wasn't

1055
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Speaker 3: in his hands. He was trying to block he was

1056
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 3: trying to block his ear and then bend over to

1057
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Speaker 3: cut the noise out. And remember he wasn't distraught at all,

1058
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Speaker 3: because he was the one who was going, everything's fine,

1059
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Speaker 3: Kamla's going to be out in thirty minutes. It's absolutely fine.

1060
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: We're still got parts to victory. We're gonna win. So

1061
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: how funny is that the photograph that will go down

1062
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 3: in history as distraught man is actually man on the

1063
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Speaker 3: phone to Heather on the radio in New Zealand. It

1064
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Speaker 3: loans next.

1065
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Speaker 2: The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather dupleic Allen

1066
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Speaker 2: drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talk

1067
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Speaker 2: z B.

1068
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Speaker 3: Hey, Heather, it's absolutely fine to compare Winston to the Australias,

1069
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Speaker 3: but how about comparing him to Mahosia. What would you give? No,

1070
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Speaker 3: we're not going to do that. It's triggering that we're

1071
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: done with that for now, aren't. We're into a new phase.

1072
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: We're facing forward. Otherwise we're all just going to get

1073
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Speaker 3: sad and cry again. Listen to this though, This is fascinating.

1074
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Speaker 3: So Helen Clark this morning was saying on the radio

1075
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Speaker 3: that the government might want to rethink its moves to

1076
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Speaker 3: get closer to the US now that Donald Trump is

1077
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Speaker 3: the president.

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Speaker 13: But given the general feeling in the New Zealand public

1079
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Speaker 13: towards the election of President Trump, I can't think that

1080
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 13: it would be a popular thing to do to be

1081
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Speaker 13: seen to be strategically realigning with an administration which is

1082
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Speaker 13: volatile and quite unpredictable on foreign policy.

1083
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Speaker 3: And then she went a little bit further explained the

1084
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: dangers as far as she can said of being too

1085
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: closely tied to the US.

1086
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Speaker 13: New Zealand has valued the ability to make its own

1087
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Speaker 13: decisions about where it engages offshore, how and when, and

1088
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Speaker 13: not wanting to be dragged along by the policies of others.

1089
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Speaker 3: Now, Jeffrey Miller, who is a geopolitical relations expert at

1090
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Speaker 3: Victoria University, has thoughts on this, and he's going to

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Speaker 3: be thus after six it doesn't really matter. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm sort of the opinion if you don't like heaps,

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Speaker 3: people in this country don't like the US, right, They're like,

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Speaker 3: don't go anywhere near the US. You saw what they

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Speaker 3: did in Vietnam, you saw what they did in Iraq,

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Speaker 3: And it's a totally totally legit opinion to hold. But

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know, maybe it gets slightly worse

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Speaker 3: with Trump, but we felt like that with Biden, didn't me,

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Speaker 3: So I feel like if you I don't. All I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to say is I don't know if Trump makes

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Speaker 3: it worse or not. But we'll talk to Jeffrey Miller

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Speaker 3: after six on that twenty three Away from six.

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Speaker 2: The Friday sports Huddle with New Zealand southebas international realty,

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Speaker 2: local and global exposure like no other.

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Speaker 11: Take it out, Sudsy tb Heyeslam Ireland has basically all Blacks,

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Speaker 11: the culmination of a historic wack in Chicago.

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Speaker 21: Just need to get it out in the Irish Final

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Speaker 21: four thirty two twenty two, the crumpling of an all

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Speaker 21: Black empire before our eyes.

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Speaker 3: Say to.

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Speaker 1: A bad alay the All Black.

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Speaker 3: Finals Finals on a sportshddle of that's this evening, Nicki Styra,

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Speaker 3: sports journalist Lavin a good sports journalists and commentator, High ladies.

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Speaker 20: Good evening, or how can I hello.

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to them ripping that out tomorrow? I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: be waiting for it, Lavina. What do you reckon toughest

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Speaker 3: game of the year for the All Blacks?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I reckon Actually, to be honest, yeah, I think, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think with the way the Irish number one in

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Speaker 6: the world and the All Blacks have looked a little

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Speaker 6: vulnerable over the past six to eight months, and yeah,

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Speaker 6: I don't know, like lots of people are saying that

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Speaker 6: you All Blacks can come through and win out and

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Speaker 6: after that game against England they're feeling very confident.

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Speaker 20: But I've not reckoned the Irish. I've got it. I'm

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Speaker 20: gonna tip the Irish. Done with the Irish and done

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Speaker 20: with the Green Heather.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, Nikki, what do you reckon? I'm going to

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Speaker 3: have to agree with Lavina there.

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Speaker 10: I think the Islands the Irish side are going to

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00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 10: be too good and obviously that massive home advantage and

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Speaker 10: you know, on paper these teams are fair the eave

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Speaker 10: and but I think the big change here is the

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Speaker 10: loss of Cody Taylor and you know, and bod and Barrett,

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Speaker 10: because I don't feel like Damien McKenzie is quite the

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Speaker 10: number two that we needed in the starting pack. But hey,

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Speaker 10: anything can happen and T's mates rugby, can't.

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Speaker 3: You are right, Nikki?

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Speaker 1: Is this still like there was?

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Speaker 3: Remember when the Irish started first started beating us all

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Speaker 3: those many years ago, at the time we said this

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Speaker 3: is the one team you didn't mind losing too, because

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Speaker 3: everybody loves the Irish. Is it's still like that?

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Speaker 10: Well from a personal note, yeah, I mean I love

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Speaker 10: the Irish, so I don't think anybody who's a patriotic

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00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 10: all black supporter likes losing to any team. But if

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Speaker 10: you had to pick one, and maybe maybe Ireland would

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Speaker 10: be it, but no, I'm staunched.

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Speaker 3: All the way right Leavina. I was asking the question

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Speaker 3: obviously because things like it's been so friendly and nice

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Speaker 3: with them for ages and then the Johnny Sexton thing happened,

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Speaker 3: and I just wonder if it soured it.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think it did. I mean, like from nineteen

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Speaker 20: oh five to what twenty thirteen, it was.

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Speaker 6: All all blacks, all blacks, all blacks, and then there

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Speaker 6: was no expectation at all that the Irish would be

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Speaker 6: able to.

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Speaker 20: Be an all blacks team, and then they did it,

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Speaker 20: and then they did it consistently.

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Speaker 6: And now it'll come down to tomorrow morning, and I

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Speaker 6: think there's a few nervous people out there, and I

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Speaker 6: agree with Nikki's some of the selection process. I mean,

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Speaker 6: we don't have Boat and Barrett out there and that's

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Speaker 6: a concern. And Gamien mackenzie was honestly picked as the

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Speaker 6: number ten first of all, but he hasn't really you know,

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Speaker 6: represented like we would hope. But I really feel as

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Speaker 6: though the pressure right now is on the All Blacks,

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Speaker 6: and even though they're not known as number one in

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Speaker 6: the world at the moment, but they're the ones that

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Speaker 6: have to perform and try and win, and if they don't,

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Speaker 6: I mean, like the all Black critics, which are the

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Speaker 6: fans that love the All Blacks, they'll be the first

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Speaker 6: to come down hard on them.

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Speaker 3: Are you, Levina? You don't sound like you're convinced by

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Speaker 3: d mac No.

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Speaker 20: I'm not, no, no, not at all.

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Speaker 13: Ah.

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Speaker 20: I feel as though he's a magnificent player and he

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Speaker 20: plays rugby really well, but I don't feel like he's

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Speaker 20: an orchestrator.

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Speaker 6: I don't feel like he has that kind of manna

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Speaker 6: that can take aside, you know, and make those decisions,

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00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 6: you know, and like the kicking game, like he's got

1185
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 6: a great kicking game, but in terms of like decision

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00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 6: making when you're kicking and why you're kicking and why

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Speaker 6: it's that kick, I feel as though he actually, I

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Speaker 6: actually feel.

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Speaker 20: Like Damien McKenzie doesn't feel comfortable with that role either.

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Speaker 6: You know, I don't feel like he's playing his best

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Speaker 6: rugby because when he's not playing for the All Blacks

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Speaker 6: he's magnificent because he doesn't have that sense of I

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Speaker 6: have to create something special now to try and win

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Speaker 6: a game.

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Speaker 3: Have we got in his head?

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Speaker 10: Then?

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Speaker 3: Is that what's going on?

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Speaker 20: Yeah? I don't know if different players different attitude. I think, Heather,

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Speaker 20: what do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Look? Is it just a confidence or what's up?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Look, I personally feel like Damien McKenzie is is just

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Speaker 10: the type of player that he just needs a little

1204
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Speaker 10: bit more space, a little bit more time. And perhaps

1205
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 10: that does come down to playing multest match football. But

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Speaker 10: Boden's got that under his belt. He just us his

1207
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Speaker 10: decision making it seems to be better under pressure. And

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Speaker 10: I think with the Irish Pack.

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Speaker 3: They're going to come at them hard, especially in that

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Speaker 3: first sort of half.

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Speaker 10: An hour, and if Damien's put under pressure, then potentially

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Speaker 10: he's going to make some poor decisions.

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Speaker 20: And also I think he's playing the wrong position.

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Speaker 6: I think I don't think his first five I reckon

1215
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Speaker 6: he plays so much. But like you said, think he

1216
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 6: needs space and time and for that he shouldn't be

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Speaker 6: first five.

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Speaker 20: He should be playing full back.

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00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 6: That's where he gets that opportunity to read the play

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Speaker 6: and play his best rugby.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about that? And I keep bold call?

1222
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: What do you say?

1223
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Speaker 10: Oh, look, no, I'm comfortable with him there, but I

1224
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Speaker 10: just would prefer he was coming off the bench. I said,

1225
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 10: you know, you've got a big, big problem when you

1226
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 10: start dealing with the Jordy Barretts and the Will Jordans

1227
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 10: and other players that can fill those full batcasions. So yeah,

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Speaker 10: look that's selection thing. I'm no selector. I can only

1229
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 10: go from what I've seen out there. And he was

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00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 10: fabulous off the bench as a as a you know,

1231
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 10: a bench first five against England, and it's just a

1232
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 10: shame he doesn't get to play that role at again

1233
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Speaker 10: this week.

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Speaker 3: Now, Lavina, what do you make of punishing these F

1235
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: one drivers with a fine for saying a swear word

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Speaker 3: in a press conference?

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Speaker 18: Ah?

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Speaker 20: Good, It's so interesting, isn't it. I think it's really

1239
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 20: come like.

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Speaker 6: F one make lots of money, broadcasting sport make lots

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00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 6: of money, lots of money, and a lot of the

1242
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 6: drivers come out and said, like, you want to make

1243
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 6: money out of us because where we can be expressive

1244
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 6: and be dramatic, and that's how you make money with

1245
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 6: shows and stuff. But every now and then we might

1246
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Speaker 6: drop an expletive and I don't think the viewers would

1247
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 6: be so perturbed by it. It just comes down to

1248
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 6: someone in charge that actually doesn't like someone swearing, but

1249
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 6: like they swear and their drivers there, and I feel

1250
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 6: as though the drivers are unhappy with that decision, the

1251
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 6: fact that they're not allowed to do that.

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00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 20: It doesn't bother me so much. I think it almost

1253
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 20: adds to the drama to buy it.

1254
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Speaker 3: But here's the thing. Okay, so we were talking about

1255
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: the nikky just yesterday actually because somebody Emily Maitler's of

1256
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Speaker 3: the BBC droped the It was sort of I think

1257
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Speaker 3: she said batshit frankly on one of the American channels.

1258
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Speaker 3: It's yeah, and they bleeped it and they were like,

1259
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: oh jake. They kept on apologizing. Well anyway, what I

1260
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Speaker 3: realized from it though, what it reminded me is that

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand we love a swear word.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: We're Australasian, so we swear all the time. So maybe

1264
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Speaker 3: maybe it's different. Maybe if they're trying to appeal to

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Speaker 3: an mirena audience, they get really offended by that stuff.

1266
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Speaker 20: No, I don't agree with you there.

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Speaker 10: The only reason I'll say this is because my darling husband,

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Speaker 10: who really loves to get involved in my conversations, pointed

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00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 10: out that in American sport, you know, in the NFL basbook,

1270
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 10: they swear all the times. Yeah, they do, and the

1271
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 10: coach you see them swearing, and it sort of seems

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Speaker 10: to be an accepted part. They do it on the podcast,

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00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 10: you know, they are very expleted. So I don't think

1274
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Speaker 10: it's necessarily an American thing. I think where the difference

1275
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 10: comes in, and it's, as he points out, also, it's

1276
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 10: about image. It's about what image do you want to

1277
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Speaker 10: portray out there? And then if one it's very proper,

1278
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 10: it's McLaren, it's Mercedes, you know, it's it's it's very

1279
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 10: expensive companies, brand and image at stake, and so you know, swearing,

1280
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 10: they can see that it tarnishes that image and they

1281
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 10: don't like that, albeit that this has come from the

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Speaker 10: f one governing body, this decision. So I think sometimes

1283
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 10: the you know, the drivers, they're just going to have

1284
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 10: to suck that up, and who wouldn't for the money

1285
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 10: they get paid.

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Speaker 20: They beep it out anyway, they beep it out. It's

1287
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Speaker 20: all good.

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Speaker 3: They beat it's being buck Slovina. You could buy a

1289
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Speaker 3: brand new U. Well, I don't know if you can

1290
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Speaker 3: buy a European car, but you could buy a brand

1291
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Speaker 3: new car for fifty thousand dollars. I'd be really good today.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, thats a lot of coin. And that's where it hurts.

1294
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Speaker 20: The driver's most is in the back pocket.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we'll take a break. Come back to you guys

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Speaker 3: in just a tick quarter or two.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back of the Sports Hittle, Nikki Styrus and

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Speaker 3: Levina good Nick. I'll tell you what I was surprised by, right,

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Speaker 3: Sir Graham Low launching a bid for an NRL license

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Speaker 3: with the Southern Orcas. What I'm surprised by is we've

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Speaker 3: got three different groups of people now in the South

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Speaker 3: Island who reckon that they can make this thing work,

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Speaker 3: and they've got money behind them. How can they be ignored?

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Speaker 10: Oh, to have a crystal ball who knows how the

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00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 10: NRL operate and what their set of criteria was, And

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00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 10: it sounds like ifs Graham Low was a bit baffled

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00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 10: by you know, what they wanted as well, And I

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00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 10: mean he's kept pretty tight lipped, says it's a sort

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Speaker 10: of an NBA issue. But whether that's the case or

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00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 10: whether they just they just don't want another New Zealand

1313
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Speaker 10: team in their competition, so they're making it as hard

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Speaker 10: as they can. I wish I could give you more

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01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 10: than that, but I don't actually know. I think it

1316
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 10: would be great for New Zealand Rugby League to have

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01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 10: another one, just like we've now got on the football,

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01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 10: but to get it across the line could be tricky.

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01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 10: I mean, I think there's a lot of teams in

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01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 10: Australia that are you know, sorry more you know areas

1321
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 10: that want to have more NRL teams just from the

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Speaker 10: Australian regions themselves.

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Speaker 3: So they get to a petition, Yeah, they.

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Speaker 10: Do it as an Australian competition. Maybe we just need

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Speaker 10: to start one here.

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Speaker 3: I think we've tried our own little competitions before it. Lavina,

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Speaker 3: you've got a good oil on it, do you know

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Speaker 3: what's going on.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd love to see another New Zealand team in

1330
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Speaker 6: the NRL, but the National Rugby League of Australia does

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01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 6: not want that, and in fact, they don't want the

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Speaker 6: Warriors doing well. They just want to control the situation,

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01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 6: get bums on seats and the product of the NRL

1334
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 6: is fabulous, But to have another New Zealand team there,

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01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 6: it would just kind of take the fan base away

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01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 6: from somewhere else and they don't want to. I would

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Speaker 6: love to see it, Heather, I really think it would

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01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 6: be fabulous, but I don't think it's going to happen,

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01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 6: regardless of how much money or how much support you have.

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Speaker 3: No a conspiracy for you either too.

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Speaker 10: You know, if they had a team from christ Church

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Speaker 10: and they started penalizing them like they penalized the Warriors,

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01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 10: and you start seeing, you know that this christ Chitch

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01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 10: team losing in the same fashion that the Warriors do,

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01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 10: then maybe they ask questions about unconscious by But don't

1346
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Speaker 10: get me started on that.

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Speaker 3: Are you are you a Jason Paris?

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Speaker 13: Are you?

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01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 3: Are you off with you that they.

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Speaker 5: Do?

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Speaker 3: You think they pin us deliberately?

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Speaker 10: I think that there has definitely been matches where they

1353
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 10: have not wanted to see New Zealand team win Lavena.

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Speaker 5: That's a big yeah.

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Speaker 20: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of New Zealand rugby league

1357
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 6: fans that think the same as Nicky, and I've watched

1358
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Speaker 6: a lot of the Warriors games going, oh my goodness, that.

1359
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Speaker 20: Is a bad, cal bad call.

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Speaker 6: I have seen so many bad calls from referees throughout

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Speaker 6: the NRL, in all games, throughout all situations, not just

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Speaker 6: against the Warriors. So I couldn't say that I totally

1363
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 6: agree with Nikki on that one. But I do know

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Speaker 6: the NRL does not want another New Zealand team. They

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Speaker 6: want to control. They've got a great brand, it's a

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Speaker 6: great competition and as we've seen over the years that

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Speaker 6: so many fans of rugby are turning to rugby league

1368
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 6: because it's a great competition, great brand, it's fantastic and

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Speaker 6: they don't want to They do not want to turn

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Speaker 6: that pot up side down.

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Speaker 3: But you know how this is going to work. How

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Speaker 3: this is going to work is you and I have

1373
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 3: listened to Levina and we've heard her commons since and

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01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 3: then then as soon as we see the next call,

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Speaker 3: we're going to believe it again, penalty.

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Speaker 10: She's got an Australian accent.

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Speaker 3: You know she's biased.

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Speaker 10: She's just don't like to bring that up.

1379
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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just going to say, Lena, I heard that.

1381
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Speaker 20: I'm not entering this argument.

1382
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Speaker 3: Levina, I heard you one quite well. On the Melbourne Cup.

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Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, I have I have a twenty year

1384
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 6: old daughter studying in America and she was born on

1385
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 6: Melbourne Cup Day two decades ago.

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Speaker 3: Yes, every year I.

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01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 6: Put money on to an eleven to an eleven, and

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01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 6: every year I lose money, lose money, lose money. And

1389
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 6: for the first time ever, I went to put money

1390
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 6: on two good odds. I thought great eleven, was like,

1391
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 6: oh my god, sixty five bucks. You're kidding, No way,

1392
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 6: no way, put a little bit on there. And then

1393
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 6: I was celebrating and happy and so happy.

1394
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 20: And then the election came and.

1395
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 6: Then Trump won, and then I was depressed and depressed

1396
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 6: and depressed, still depressed.

1397
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Speaker 10: Header So you know what, though, Heather, I don't know

1398
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 10: one person who either didn't do an easy bet bet

1399
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 10: on the color of the name of that horse, or

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01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 10: even't got a friend whose last names night and they

1401
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 10: didn't even back it. Because it was such an outsider

1402
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 10: and exactly when you think, you think, how on earth

1403
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 10: could you have picked out in the million years you know?

1404
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 5: So, hey, hey, well done to you. The Vina that yeah,

1405
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 5: I'm flaid.

1406
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 20: I'm going to put it all on island to Maroniki

1407
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 20: just saying.

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01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 3: Oh lord, okay, and then you're going to be depressed

1409
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 3: all over again. Hey, guys, thank you very much appreciated

1410
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 3: our sports hutle, Nickey, Styrus and avena good ate away

1411
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 3: from sex.

1412
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: Red or blue, Trump or Harris? Who will win the

1413
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: battleground states?

1414
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 2: The latest on the US election is Heather Duplicy allan

1415
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: drive with one New Zealand just get connected.

1416
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: These talks'd be.

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01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 3: Here that Helen Clark's we anti Trump outburst is exactly

1418
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 3: why left wing elitists are losing trust and support worldwide.

1419
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 3: They think they know best, and I find it incredibly patronizing.

1420
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Speaker 3: I actually take a different view on this because I

1421
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 3: think I don't I don't think Helen is a like

1422
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 3: to put Helen in the same kind of bucket as

1423
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 3: the modern Labor Party is not fair. Helen was actually

1424
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 3: incredibly centrist when you think about it, like could read

1425
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 3: the mood of the country did a whole bunch of

1426
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 3: stuff that I would argue even the National Party would

1427
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 3: find a little difficult to do nowadays. They wouldn't have

1428
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 3: the courage of their convictions and be like the National

1429
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 3: Party loves to dip their toes and the left from

1430
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 3: time to time, so I don't think it's fair to

1431
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: lump her in with them. I just think that Helen

1432
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 3: has very strong convictions on the tie up with the US,

1433
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 3: really doesn't want us to be tied up with the

1434
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 3: US militarily, and will use this as an example to

1435
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 3: forward her argument.

1436
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Speaker 5: Right.

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01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 3: I don't actually agree with her necessarily on her views

1438
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 3: on the US, but I think that's where she's coming

1439
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 3: from with that. I got a lot of respect for

1440
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 3: her opinion, even if I don't agree with it. Just

1441
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 3: really quickly before I go back to Donald Trump, and

1442
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 3: the police are warning you need to be careful if

1443
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 3: you're trying to sell your house at the moment and

1444
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 3: you're holding open homes, and particularly if you are in

1445
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 3: the West Auckland or the north Shore region of Auckland,

1446
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 3: because apparently what's happening is that there are some thieves

1447
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 3: that are going to open homes and targeting them and

1448
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 3: stealing stuff. So they have There are at least three

1449
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 3: incidents that the police are aware of. And this is

1450
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 3: people who've realized what's gone missing. So think about the

1451
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 3: number of people who don't know what's gone missing and

1452
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 3: haven't reported it to the cops. Somebody nicked what these

1453
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 3: guys nicked a ring worth twenty thousand dollars and a car,

1454
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 3: and they nicked the car because they found the spare

1455
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 3: key in the garage. So be careful. Make sure you're

1456
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 3: real estate agent's got people all over the shop, eyes

1457
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 3: peeled everywhere. Back to Trump. Okay, here's the thing baron

1458
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 3: Trump the tall one. Somebody said today six foot seven.

1459
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 3: I thought it was six foot nine, but anyway, we've

1460
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 3: got to go with six foot seven whatever. That's enormous. Anyway,

1461
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 3: Trump the tall One is now being credited with helping

1462
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 3: his dad win the election. Now, the thing about this

1463
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 3: kid is he's eighteen years old, right, so at eighteen

1464
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 3: year old, eighteen years old, he's into the kinds of stuff,

1465
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 3: particularly podcasts, that the bro voters are into. Bro voters,

1466
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 3: these are these young boys, you know, like that young

1467
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 3: cohort through to maybe I don't know, twenty five thirty

1468
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 3: something whatever. They don't generally vote. They have opinions, but

1469
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 3: they don't vote. But apparently he got them out for

1470
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 3: Trump because he because he got Trump on the podcast.

1471
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 3: So apparently one day Trump was out playing golf and

1472
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Speaker 3: one of his campaign consultants called him up to see

1473
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 3: which podcasts he wanted to go on. And Trump said

1474
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 3: to the guy called Baron, sees what he thinks, and

1475
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 3: let me see what he thinks and let me know.

1476
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 3: And so the guy called Baron and Baron was like,

1477
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 3: I really like this podcast called Aidan Ross, and Dan

1478
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 3: should go on that one. Aidan Ross has got an

1479
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 3: estimated seven plus million followers. So Dad goes on Aidan

1480
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 3: Ross basically invites them around to mar Lago in August,

1481
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 3: they do a podcast It's viewed more than two point

1482
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 3: six million million times or something like that, raging success.

1483
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 3: After that does a bunch of podcasts at Baron likes,

1484
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 3: including Joe Rogan and There you Go. Brobot came out

1485
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 3: Headlines next, and then Jeffrey Miller, Oh hell, what's what's down?

1486
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: What were the major calls? And how will it affect

1487
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: the economy?

1488
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 2: Business question is on the Business Hour with hither duplicy

1489
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 2: Allen and my Hr on News Talks EV.

1490
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, We're going

1491
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 3: to go to Peter Lewis, our Asia Business correspondent, see

1492
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 3: how they feel about Trump, because you know, are the

1493
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 3: ones who are going to be hit with the tariffs

1494
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 3: the hardest, aren't they. Barry Soaper will rap the political

1495
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 3: week that was for us and Gavin Gray with this

1496
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 3: out of the UK right right now at a seven

1497
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 3: past six. So of course, question now is how are

1498
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 3: Kiwi's going to feel when New Zealand starts getting cozy

1499
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 3: with Donald Trump? Former Prime Minister Helen Clark this morning

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01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 3: when the radio suggested the government might want to rethink

1501
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 3: its moves to get even closer to the US.

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Speaker 13: But given the general feeling in the New Zealand public

1503
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 13: towards the election of President Trump, I can't think that

1504
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 13: it would be a popular thing to do to be

1505
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 13: seen to be strategically realigning with an administration which is

1506
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,799
Speaker 13: volatile and quite unpredictable on foreign policy.

1507
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Miller is a geopolitical relations expert at Victoria University

1508
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 3: and with US. Hey Jeffrey, welcome back, Good evening. Heather

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01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 3: has Helen got a point. Look, I think.

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01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 18: Everything will be on the table here, and we're going

1511
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 18: to have a new US administration that always means a reset.

1512
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 18: So it's a big question whether the US will be

1513
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 18: keen to go through with UCUS under Donald Trump. Remember

1514
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 18: this was a Biden initiative, so you know, everything is

1515
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 18: on the table from both sides. If it is going ahead,

1516
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 18: will they want New Zealand still involved in Pillar two?

1517
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 18: And will New Zealand want to be involved? If you're

1518
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 18: Christopher Luxon and the centrist trying to position your position yourself,

1519
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 18: you know, to capture that center middle ground, do you

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Speaker 18: want to be associated with Donald Trump? I mean, they

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01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 18: are a huge numbers of questions here for New Zealand

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Speaker 18: when it comes to foreign policy, it's really big.

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Speaker 3: Let's look at what Trump's calculation might be so on ORCUS.

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Speaker 3: The thing that he will like about UCUS is that

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Speaker 3: it is aimed at China, which he doesn't like. But

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Speaker 3: then the thing he will not like about UCUS is

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Speaker 3: the cost of the thing. Right, So how does that

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Speaker 3: play out? What do you reckon ways beggar stronger on him?

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Speaker 1: That's right?

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Speaker 18: And Donald Trump is very, very transactional, So if he

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Speaker 18: thinks it's a good deal, if it's in the interest

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Speaker 18: of the United States, perhaps he'll go through with it.

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Speaker 18: If he doesn't think that the US is getting a

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Speaker 18: good deal, he'll make the likes of Australia the United

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01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 18: Kingdom pay up a lot more. I just think it

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01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 18: really remains to be seen whether if UCAS is continued

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01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 18: with whether he will want to have a bit player

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01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 18: as he might see it in New Zealand getting involved.

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01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 18: You know, this was the Biden strategy. You had this

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01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 18: lattice work of all these agreements across the Pacific, and

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01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 18: Joe Biden was very interested in climate change in the

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Speaker 18: Pacific and re engaging with Pacific island countries. I think

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01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 18: Donald Trump is all about great powers, and if he

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01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 18: wants to stick at the ch I know he simply will.

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01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 18: He will do it unilaterally. We won't feel the need

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01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 18: to set up all of these multilateral alliances. It will

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01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 18: continue with them with the likes of New Zealand necessarily,

1548
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,839
Speaker 18: but you know, we will have to see how things develop.

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01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 18: Of course, Winston Peters is putting a brave face on

1550
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 18: things and he has some good connections. He was Foreign Minister.

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01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 18: Of course, the last time that Donald Trump was in

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01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 18: the White House, so there may be some chances there

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01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 18: for him to use his connections. And he was on

1554
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 18: your program yesterday talking about that, so you know, let's

1555
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 18: wait and see.

1556
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 3: Did I hear him saying that we got very close

1557
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 3: to an FTA with the US under Trump?

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01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 22: I did hear that.

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Speaker 18: I wonder where that's really come from. I don't really

1560
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 18: recall that really being on the table. Of course, Donald

1561
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 18: Trump pulled out of the CPTPP pretty much on his

1562
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 18: first day in office back in twenty seventeen, so I

1563
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 18: think it's hard to believe that really there was a

1564
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 18: bilateral free trade deal for New Zealand in the offering

1565
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 18: back during Trump's first term. But yes, Winston Peters are

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01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 18: trying to put a brave face on things. He's really

1567
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 18: put everything in the basket of building closer ties with

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Speaker 18: the United States. He did that the last time around.

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Speaker 18: He's been doing this for the last year, and Christopher

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01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 18: Luxen and the government has really very much gone along

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01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 18: with that. It's been a huge sea change when it

1572
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 18: comes to New Zealand foreign policy. Given that New Zealand's

1573
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 18: biggest trading partner is China and neither Christopher Luxeen nor

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01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 18: WUS St. Peter's have visited China yet in the past year.

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01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 18: It's quite striking the longer that goes on that they

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01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 18: haven't made that trip to China. Tom McClay is there

1577
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 18: at the moment. But there will be a chance next

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01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 18: week for both Christopher Luxen and with St. Peter's to

1579
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 18: reconnect with their Chinese counterparts if they choose to do

1580
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 18: so at Apec in Peru, and Christopher Luxen could shake hands,

1581
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 18: perhaps have a bilateral meeting with Jujumpang and if that's

1582
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 18: on offer, I think he should take that opportunity because

1583
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 18: things are going to get pretty tough with ten to

1584
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 18: twenty percent tariffs from the United States if that does

1585
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 18: come in. So there are lots of opportunity, lots of

1586
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 18: other countries that New Zealand could work with in China

1587
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 18: really is the big one.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that Chris Luxen will get a bit

1589
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 3: get the ick about having to get too close to

1590
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 3: Donald Trump?

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Speaker 18: Yes, I think the calculations were very different from Winston

1592
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 18: Peters and Christopher Luxe and Winston Peters, I think we'll

1593
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 18: be quite happy to work with a Trump administration. When

1594
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 18: Jacinda Rdurn had a meeting with Donald Trump at the

1595
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 18: You and General Assembly back in twenty nineteen. He described

1596
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 18: it as a triumph. He put out a special press

1597
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 18: release about it. I don't think that Christopher Luxen will

1598
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 18: necessarily see things in the same way. You know, Christopher

1599
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 18: Luxon is positioning himself as the big centrist, and you know,

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Speaker 18: I don't think that Luxeon will necessarily be that keen

1601
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 18: to be associated with with Donald Trump. Winston Peters I

1602
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 18: think will be. So you know, it could be quite

1603
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 18: interesting domestically here, whether that leads to some divides in

1604
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 18: the coalition over the direction of New Zealand foreign policy.

1605
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 18: You know, it really will be very interesting with it

1606
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 18: pro us stance continues. That's been very much the theme

1607
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 18: of the past year. But I just think everything's going

1608
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 18: to be on the table right now, and everything's going

1609
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 18: to be up for debate August and everything. Really because

1610
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 18: of Donald Trump coming into the White House is going

1611
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 18: to look like a very different It's going to be

1612
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 18: a very different administration to the Joe Biden administration.

1613
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 3: Your job very fun, Jeffrey, Thank you very much for

1614
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 3: your time. Jeffrey Miller, geopolitical relations expert at Victoria University

1615
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 3: is making everybody's job run. Frankly, if your politics adjacent,

1616
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 3: it's fascinating. Now, now All Birds just saying in the US,

1617
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 3: All Birds is having a bit of a tough time,

1618
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 3: but it looks like there is maybe the tiniest but

1619
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 3: I hope that the tough time is getting slightly less tough.

1620
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 3: So All Birds has released its third quarter results and

1621
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,560
Speaker 3: the revenues down again. It fell twenty five percent to

1622
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 3: seventy one million dollars. But the good news and that's

1623
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 3: New Zealand dollars, But the good news is that the

1624
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 3: overall loss is smaller than it was last year. So

1625
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 3: the net loss in the third quarter US twenty one

1626
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 3: million dollars compared to US thirty two million dollars last

1627
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 3: time around. That's a significant improvement. So possibly the restructure

1628
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 3: and the closing of the stores and the new leadership

1629
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 3: and all the stuff that they're trying to do to

1630
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 3: turn this business around is working. And also more good news,

1631
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 3: seems to have a woided being kicked off the NASDAK. Now,

1632
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 3: this was the big threat that was looming over All

1633
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 3: Birds because they got a warning earlier this year when

1634
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 3: the shares were trading below one dollar US for more

1635
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 3: than thirty days, that if that continued and they didn't

1636
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 3: turn things around off they would go. What they did

1637
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 3: was they engine engineered a reverse stock split in early September,

1638
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 3: and they're now trading at around I mean that's a

1639
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 3: bit of it's sort of game playing, isn't it. I mean,

1640
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 3: ultimately doesn't really improve anything, but what it does do

1641
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 3: is that the stock is now trading it close to

1642
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 3: US nine dollars, and it's it's saved them from being

1643
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 3: booted off. Fourteen past six.

1644
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 2: Analysis from the experts, bringing you everything you need to

1645
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 2: know on the US election. It's The Business Hour with

1646
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy, Allen and myhr the HRS solution for busy

1647
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 2: SMS used talk sent me.

1648
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Speaker 3: Heather, why do we honestly care what Helen Clark thinks?

1649
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 3: Thanks Heather. Helen Clark hates Donald Trump because he won't

1650
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 3: play ball with either what. Oh no, that's one of

1651
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 3: thos a conspiracy text. I'm not going to read that.

1652
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 3: I designed don't know. Sorry, I don't even know who

1653
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 3: class is, Who's class? But it's obviously something to do

1654
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 3: with that stuff. I still care what Helen Clark thinks.

1655
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 3: Helen Clark is one of the most experienced people who

1656
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 3: you know in terms of international relations. We've got to

1657
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 3: care what she thinks. You don't have to agree with her,

1658
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 3: but you've got to at least listen. Seventeen past six

1659
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 3: now Barry Soper, senior political correspondent, raps a political.

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Speaker 9: Week for US.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, welcome back, Barry, Hello, Barry. Fortunately, Whinston Peters was

1662
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 3: better at picking the US selection than you, so he's

1663
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 3: got us prepared and he has basically got us ready

1664
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 3: to be able to deal with the Trump administration right.

1665
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 11: Well, he certainly has. But look, I have some very

1666
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 11: good news for you tonight, Heather. I've just received an

1667
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 11: email from the Republican Party telling me that I've been

1668
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 11: awarded the highest honor that you can possibly be awarded

1669
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 11: in the Republican Party, and that to Make America Great

1670
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 11: Campaign Award for my assistance in getting Donald Trump into

1671
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 11: the world.

1672
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 3: You've seen you're so stoked you've sent it through to

1673
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 3: me review my friend. After reviewing your profile, GOP leaders

1674
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 3: determined that you'll support one US the White House. So

1675
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 3: it's careful consideration. You've been selected for the Mega Living

1676
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 3: Legend award. Yes, this is widely considered to be the

1677
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 3: highest honor in the entire mega movement of the world.

1678
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 3: President Trump couldn't think of a more deserving winner than you.

1679
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 3: Clickless link to accept the award. And you have to

1680
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 3: donate money to get this award.

1681
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 11: Well, I didn't click it because I said it could

1682
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 11: be risky.

1683
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 3: It did say it was a bit spammy, but it's

1684
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 3: just how much would you like to donate to Donald

1685
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 3: Trump to get your award?

1686
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 11: Bearing Look, I think full go the Living Legend Award,

1687
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 11: but look, seriously, me Winston, I note out with the

1688
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 11: assistant of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, probably

1689
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 11: looked at the possibility of Trump coming back. Rosemary Banks,

1690
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 11: who had been in Paris, and it's very unusual for

1691
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 11: an ambassador to go back into the same posting that

1692
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 11: they once held, and that was Rosemary, who I know

1693
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 11: very well now has gone back to the US and

1694
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 11: is working in Washington because she was there during the

1695
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 11: first years of the Trump administration and clearly has a

1696
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 11: good rapport with the people that will be working with

1697
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 11: hopefully and that Donald Trump will appoint to the new administration.

1698
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 11: I see that he's already appointed as chief of staff.

1699
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 11: That used to be John Kelly, the general that left

1700
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 11: and criticized Trump. But it's his campaign manager, Susy Wiles

1701
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 11: that is invited on.

1702
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 3: Stage this from the misogyny first woman chief of start.

1703
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 11: He's amazing. Well, you know, he's an incredible man. No,

1704
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 11: and serious in all seriousness though you know, I would

1705
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 11: acknowledge that it is incredible for a man of his

1706
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 11: age seventy eight years old to be able to convince

1707
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 11: the majority of the American public that he should be

1708
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 11: holding the office of president again, not only one hundred

1709
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 11: and thirty years. Well, also, what does it say about

1710
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 11: the majority of the American public's view of law and

1711
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 11: order when you've got a criminal now holding the highest

1712
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 11: office in the nation.

1713
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 3: Well, I mean to be three to be fair, Berry,

1714
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 3: there is, I think, in most people's minds, a distinction

1715
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,839
Speaker 3: between your violent criminal and your white collar criminals.

1716
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 11: Totally.

1717
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

1718
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 11: Well, there is a difference. But nevertheless, he did break

1719
01:18:55,960 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 11: the law. And I'll tell you what, I'll take a

1720
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 11: bet with you now, and I know I've lost the

1721
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 11: last bet on him succeeding, but I'll take a bet

1722
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 11: with you now that the protesters that invaded Capitol Hill

1723
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 11: four years ago will all be pardoned.

1724
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 3: It's a possibility.

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01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 11: And if that's the case, that's a disgrace because he

1726
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 11: incited law and order four years ago. They carried out

1727
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 11: what was a disgraceful episode in American political history, and now.

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01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 3: He'll Can you just hold off getting upset about things

1729
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 3: to when they actually happen, because you're just being like

1730
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 3: all the other hysterical people who are like the end

1731
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 3: of the world. Will wait till it's the end of

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Speaker 3: the world, then we'll get at the end of the world.

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Speaker 3: So wait till he does it, then get upset about it. Okay, listen,

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Speaker 3: the Treaty Principal's Bill. Now, the Prime Minister is not

1735
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 3: going to be there. The first debate on the Treaty

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01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 3: Principal's Bill is going to be on Thursday next week.

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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister is not going to be there. He's

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Speaker 3: going to be out of the country. That's very convenient,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. Well, he's there on Thursday, is he?

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Speaker 11: No, he's never there. And the fact of the matter

1741
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,560
Speaker 11: is he's going to Apec and it'll be interesting to

1742
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Speaker 11: see if the dawn turns up at Apek as a

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01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 11: president elect and who knows, he may well be there.

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Speaker 11: But no, well it's something that Luxon couldn't avoid. But

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01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 11: then the conspiracy theorists would say that the bill was

1746
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 11: brought back and it was going to be read for

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Speaker 11: the first time when Luxon was absent at APEX. But look,

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Speaker 11: I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I just think it was

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01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 11: going to be read probably then anyway, and it'll coincide

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Speaker 11: with the Hikuoi people who are opposed to it. And

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01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 11: when the bill was introduced this week you saw the

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01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 11: Modi Party and you can imagine they'll be inciting a

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Speaker 11: lot of people to protest. They tried to get it

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Speaker 11: thrown out immediately without success, and their arguments to me

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01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 11: were just playing silly.

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Speaker 3: Barry, thanks very much, really appreciate it's Barry Soper, senior

1757
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 3: political correspondent, rapping the political week. That was hey, really quickly.

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Speaker 3: Another bank has reported profit today. This time it's A

1759
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 3: and Z two billion dollars down two. I bet you

1760
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 3: that they are feeling stoked that they got this profit

1761
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Speaker 3: report out after they appeared at the Select Committee inquiry,

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Speaker 3: the Parliamentary Banking Inquiry, because the others that have reported

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Speaker 3: their profit this week being B and Z and Westpac.

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01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: They still have to appear six twenty three.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather Duplican and my HR the

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01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 2: HR Solution for busy sms on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Heather bank profits need urgent attention. The fact that credit

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01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 3: card feesa for a percentage of the transaction is the

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01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 3: only thing we need to know. It's a complete and

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Speaker 3: utter rulet Megan, thank you. Hey. Update on the Algerian

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Speaker 3: boxer who's been accused of being a man. I was

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Speaker 3: telling you earlier this week that there have been media

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Speaker 3: reports out of Germany and maybe even originated originally out

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Speaker 3: of France, that she actually is, I actually was born

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Speaker 3: a man with an X and Y chromosomes, that combo

1777
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Speaker 3: of chromosomes. Those reports now apparently are going to lead

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Speaker 3: to legal actions. So apparently she's going after the media

1779
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 3: companies that reported her in France. This is according to

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Speaker 3: the International Olympic Committee, who said we understand Iman Khalif

1781
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Speaker 3: is taking legal action against individuals who commented on her

1782
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Speaker 3: situation during the Olympic Games Paris twenty four that's basically

1783
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Speaker 3: online bullying and also preparing a law susan response to

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Speaker 3: the latest reporting. The IOC will not comment while the

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Speaker 3: legal action is ongoing. Now you may be asking why

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Speaker 3: is the IOC speaking, Well, the IOC is speaking because

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01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 3: the IOC has got skin in the game because if

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Speaker 3: those reports are to be believed, if they are accurate,

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Speaker 3: then the IOC actually had the box's medical records as

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Speaker 3: far back as May last year. And if the medical

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01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 3: records are true documents and everything is to be believed,

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01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 3: then the IOC knew in May last year she's actually

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01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 3: a man and allowed her to box against ladies anyway.

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01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 3: And now the IOC is in a bit of a pickle,

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01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 3: isn't it, because now it may have to strip her

1796
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 3: of the gold medal and so on. So, you know,

1797
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 3: not fun for her all of this, but not fun

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01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 3: for them either. Peter Lewis is going to be with

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Speaker 3: us shortly out of Asia on what the tariff's been

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Speaker 3: and whether they're really going to happen. Talks, it b.

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Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's headed duplicy.

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01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 2: Allen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR. The

1803
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 2: HR solution for busy SMS on news TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: Downa bread down.

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: What day you're going to be with us out of

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Speaker 3: the UK in ten minutes time? How amazing is this? Okay, Tomorrow,

1808
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 3: when the All Blacks run out against the Irish, it

1809
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 3: will be the six hundred and forty ninth time that

1810
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 3: the All Blacks play. Let's round it up, let's say

1811
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Speaker 3: six fifty. So the All Blacks have played six hundred

1812
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 3: and fifty times tomorrow, and three hundred and fifty of

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01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 3: those games will have been called by Grantners. But is

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Speaker 3: that not amazing? I mean to be fair, Okay, it's

1815
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 3: it's kind of like it's it's heavily stacked nowadays because

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01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 3: they play a lot more than they would have you know,

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01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 3: in the years when they the years before Grants, it

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01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 3: would have been few and far between, would have been

1819
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 3: the tests and stuff. But that is pretty incredible to

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01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 3: be the guy who is called well over half of

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01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 3: the All Blacks tests. That's incredible. Seventy four years old,

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Speaker 3: so heabs more years out of Grantner's. But thanks very much.

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Speaker 3: It's funny that that actually came out today because I

1824
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 3: was when I was watching the All Blacks England game

1825
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 3: last week. I was listening to him and I just thought,

1826
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 3: I thought to myself, geez, what are we gonna do

1827
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Speaker 3: when we don't have I don't remember a time before Grantner's,

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Speaker 3: but that does not exist for me. Nisbo's been there

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Speaker 3: my whole life. What do we do Whennisbou retires, when

1830
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 3: he's like, right, that's it, God enough had enough of talking,

1831
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 3: or if he got laryngitis for like a month or

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Speaker 3: something like that, what would we do? Because I tell

1833
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 3: you what, I wouldn't want to be the guy, likely

1834
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 3: a guy filling Nisbo's shoes, would you? I mean, geez,

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Speaker 3: look at the hard time we gave Justin Marshall. The

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Speaker 3: one who fills in for Nisbo would be wow. Hard times.

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Speaker 3: Twenty three away from.

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Speaker 1: Seven, Heather due to see Ali.

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Speaker 3: Peter Lewis Asia business correspondent with US. Now, Hey, Peter,

1840
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Speaker 3: Good evening. Heather Is Asia treating the threats of these

1841
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Speaker 3: tariffs by Trump as real?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 14: Absolutely. I mean they've had a couple of years now

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Speaker 14: to really prepare for this. They shouldn't be surprised because

1845
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 14: this was always on the cards that Trump was going

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Speaker 14: to win, and also he's been pretty clear about what

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01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 14: he's going to do. And if you thought, you know,

1848
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 14: you know, Trump version one was like drinking whiskey, it

1849
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 14: was diluted with some coke. This time you're just taking

1850
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 14: the neat whiskey because the things that is talking about

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01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 14: doing are going to be pretty drastic. In the case

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Speaker 14: of China, he's talking about sixty percent tariffs on all

1853
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 14: Chinese imports into the US, ending the country's Most Favored

1854
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 14: Nation trading status as well. So some economists are saying

1855
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 14: this could knock two and a half percentage points off

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Speaker 14: of China's GDP, and then other countries around the region

1857
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 14: could easily get dragged into the crosshairs of this, particularly

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01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 14: Japan and South Korea. I mean, companies have started to

1859
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 14: work out how to sort of get around the tariffs,

1860
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 14: and they've been rooting goods that normally go through China

1861
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 14: to other countries like Mexico, for example. That Trump's got

1862
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 14: the measure of that, because it's going to slap twenty

1863
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 14: percent tariffs on imports from everywhere else. So it could

1864
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 14: be that there's no way around this for some of

1865
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 14: the Asian countries. But as I say, they've had time

1866
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 14: to draw up contingency plans. I'm absolutely certain they have.

1867
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Speaker 14: They're going to have to pour these out of the

1868
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 14: drawer now and start acting on them.

1869
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Speaker 3: But Peter, I mean saying Trump is in the past. Okay,

1870
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Speaker 3: this is the argument that was made to be Trump

1871
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 3: is in the past. Said a lot of stuff, and

1872
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 3: they're not done it. For example, he went after NAFTA,

1873
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 3: said it was the worst agreement in the history of

1874
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 3: the world, and then he basically renegotiated the thing to

1875
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 3: be about eighty five percent the same as what it

1876
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,560
Speaker 3: was before, and suddenly it was the best thing in

1877
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 3: the world. Right, And at some point he is going

1878
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 3: to realize that if you slap everything coming out of

1879
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,560
Speaker 3: China with a mass of tariff, you are going to

1880
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 3: and a lot of it is componentry that goes into

1881
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 3: other things, You're going to end up pushing the price

1882
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 3: of that American price backed up so much it will

1883
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 3: be counterproductive. So does he at some stage not actually

1884
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 3: like take the tough talk, negotiate a little bit, and

1885
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 3: come out the other side with a good deal.

1886
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 14: Well, I don't think he sees it that way. Last time,

1887
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 14: he and by his own admission, one of the problems

1888
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 14: he had was he had established establishment people around him

1889
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 14: who talked him out of doing some of the things

1890
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 14: that he wanted to do. And he sees that as

1891
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 14: a big mistake, and he's not going to make that

1892
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 14: same mistake this time around. Is going to surround himself

1893
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,919
Speaker 14: with loyalists. He could well have a clean sweep of Congress,

1894
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 14: so literally no one to oppose him, and just a

1895
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 14: lot of yes men in his cabinet. So he's got,

1896
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:43,639
Speaker 14: for example, people like Robert Leipheiser, who was the former

1897
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 14: trade advisor, who says tarifs are not inflationary, and he

1898
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 14: makes the point that when Trump was last president, inflation

1899
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 14: never once went above three percent during his first term.

1900
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 14: So you know, Trump has convinced himself and has been

1901
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 14: told by some of his closest advisors that this is

1902
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 14: not going to put out prices for American consumers. And

1903
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,600
Speaker 14: I think he believes that now. Of course, economists, a

1904
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 14: lot of economists say otherwise and say this is going

1905
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 14: to be hugely damaging for the American economy. It's going

1906
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 14: to be hugely inflationary. If you try and deport these

1907
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 14: millions of migrants, that's going to leave a huge hole

1908
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,719
Speaker 14: in the American economy as well, But he doesn't see

1909
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 14: any of that. Now, when the evidence comes and you

1910
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 14: do see this inflationary spy, because I'm sure will happen,

1911
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 14: because the conditions this time around are very difference, the

1912
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 14: economic conditions very different from the first term. The damage

1913
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 14: will have already been done in terms of damage to

1914
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 14: lost GDP, lost jobs and so on.

1915
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 3: Peter, what about Taiwan. Does he defend it?

1916
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 14: Well, that's another question. I mean, there is going to

1917
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 14: be a whole series of questions around security arrangements in Asia,

1918
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 14: including Taiwan, Japan, South Korea. He's openly said he wants

1919
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 14: countries to pay more for the defense. He sees it

1920
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 14: as a transaction, as a transaction, not as America exercise

1921
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 14: in global leadership. So he takes the view that what

1922
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 14: we'll do is will protect you and you pay and

1923
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 14: you buy some things off of us in return. So

1924
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 14: the big question mark is where does Taiwan fit into

1925
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 14: his thinking. He just recently accused Taiwan of stealing the

1926
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 14: American chip industry. He didn't explain how Taiwan was supposed

1927
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 14: to have done that, but he was threatening to put

1928
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 14: tariffs on companies like Taiwan's Semiconductor, which is the biggest

1929
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 14: chip manufacturer in the world. This will also have a

1930
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Speaker 14: dramatic impact on global supply chains. So you know, Taiwan

1931
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 14: is also very much in the crosshairs. And I think

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Speaker 14: in Taipei, although they had been saying they have very

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Speaker 14: good relations with the US and they expect that to continue,

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Speaker 14: I think they must be worried.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Geez, Actually, very interesting times ahead, do isn't it. Peter,

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Speaker 3: Thanks very much, talk to you in a week's time.

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Speaker 3: That's Peter Lewis, Asia Business correspondent out of Hong Kong hither.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you watch too much test rugby lately,

1939
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 3: but I'm pretty sure Tony Johnson commentates at least half

1940
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 3: or most of the all Black tests these days. It's

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Speaker 3: fair point. Actually, I can calm down now. TJ's still there.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm speaking of people who are not doing very

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Speaker 3: well because I've been speaking about a little bit about

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Speaker 3: the meltdown that people have been having about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel, he's not taking the Trump victory very well,

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Speaker 3: a judging by his opening comments on his show yesterday.

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Speaker 21: Let's be honest, it was a terrible night last night.

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Speaker 21: It was a terrible night for women, for children, for

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Speaker 21: the hundreds of thousands of hardworking immigrants who make this

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Speaker 21: country go.

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Speaker 3: For healthcare, for our climate.

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Speaker 21: For science, for journalism, for justice, for free speech. It

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Speaker 21: was a terrible night for poor people, for the middle class,

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Speaker 21: for seniors who rely on social security, for our allies

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Speaker 21: in you Ukraine, for needle.

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Speaker 1: Or woods.

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Speaker 21: And the macrocy and z sncy. And it was a

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Speaker 21: terrial night for everyone who voted against him. And guess what,

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Speaker 21: it is a bad night for everyone who voted for

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Speaker 21: him too. You just don't realize that, Gavin.

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Speaker 3: It's just a bad night for everybody. I mean, just

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Speaker 3: take the Ukraine example. Is it really a bad night

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Speaker 3: for absolutely everybody in Ukraine? Because it might be a

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Speaker 3: good night for a whole bunch of mums in Ukraine

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Speaker 3: who don't want to see their sons go off to

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Speaker 3: war and get absolutely slaughtered by the Russians and might

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Speaker 3: like to just see some peace there so that the

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Speaker 3: boy that they've raised doesn't get killed. So maybe actually

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Speaker 3: is not a bad night for absolutely everybody. But hey,

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't stop a man in meltdown mode? Should I

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Speaker 3: stick away? From seven.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

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Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Hither Duplessy Allen and my

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Speaker 2: HR the HR solution for busy SMEs news talks here.

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Speaker 3: The water hypocrite, you art, wasn't half an hour ago

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Speaker 3: that you were telling Barry not to get all worked

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Speaker 3: up about something that hadn't happened, And here you are

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Speaker 3: saying Trump is going to stop the Ukraine war. Pot

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Speaker 3: kettle black. You know that, Tony.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Trump has said that he's going to stop the Ukraine war.

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Speaker 3: I happen to think that may be a good thing.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not getting worked up. I was getting worked

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Speaker 3: up at Jimmy Kemmel getting worked up. Actually, thanks very much, mate.

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Speaker 3: Pay attention. Thirteen away from seven Gavin Gray are UK

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Speaker 3: correspondences with me Elogevin.

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Speaker 23: Marny got a good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you who might be getting worked up as

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Speaker 3: European leaders though.

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Speaker 23: Hey, yes very much so. They are currently meeting in

1991
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Speaker 23: Hungary and top of the agenda is going to be

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Speaker 23: exactly what Donald Trump's reelection is going to mean for them,

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Speaker 23: because last time he was in power, he wasn't particularly

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Speaker 23: keen on Europe said they needed to pay their way more,

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Speaker 23: and of course all this talk of a trade tariff's

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Speaker 23: coming on is going to make life more and more difficult.

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Speaker 23: But I think the really thing that's bothering Europe is

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Speaker 23: going to be his stance on Ukraine. He's already said

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Speaker 23: he will end the war within a short time of

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Speaker 23: taking power, but he's not said how. Many think he's

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Speaker 23: going to either really turn the tap off on funding

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Speaker 23: to Ukraine, either completely off or really toned down that

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Speaker 23: financial aid, the military aid to Ukraine. And if that happens, well,

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Speaker 23: is Europe going to pick up the slack. There's certainly

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Speaker 23: talk of them doing that, but America has been the

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Speaker 23: largest single donor to Ukraine by far. The UK has

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Speaker 23: said it's going to continue supporting Ukraine, but in truth,

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Speaker 23: if Europe doesn't and doesn't do it to a large extent,

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Speaker 23: filling that gap that might be left, then many feel

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Speaker 23: Ukraine could be left out in the cold. So we're

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Speaker 23: going to have to wait to see to that. They're

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Speaker 23: going to have to put their money where their mouth is,

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Speaker 23: to use an old expression, I mean, and that is

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Speaker 23: something Europeans are slow to do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm absolutely geven and the amount of money

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Speaker 3: that they're pumped in is like sixty four billion US dollars, Right,

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Speaker 3: there's a huge amount of money for anybody else to

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Speaker 3: tell me something, because I had a conversation with the

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Speaker 3: German about this recently and said, well, the most likely

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Speaker 3: outcome is that he basically forces Vladimir Zelenski, you know,

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Speaker 3: if it comes to this to super peace and give

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Speaker 3: up some land. And the Germans said to me, Europe

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Speaker 3: will be so devastated by that because it will bring

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Speaker 3: Russia closer and embolden them.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah, it will.

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Speaker 23: And also I think it looks bad on the EU.

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Speaker 23: They've made overtones to Ukraine that Ukraine could perhaps one

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Speaker 23: day join in the not too distant future ex and

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Speaker 23: then all of a sudden they'll tell them back on them,

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Speaker 23: owing to money. And that's what this comes down to.

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Speaker 23: And in the past Europe has said all these wonderful words,

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Speaker 23: and if they're not not going to stand up and

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Speaker 23: do that and back them, I think it'll really show

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Speaker 23: the Block down a bit. And frankly, I think Donald

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Speaker 23: Trump doesn't expect them to fill the gap, and that too,

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Speaker 23: will weaken the Block's reputation around the world, which I

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Speaker 23: think he would quite enjoy seeing. He thinks that Europe

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Speaker 23: does not pay its way. He does think many in European,

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Speaker 23: many European countries do not pay their way into NATO sufficiently,

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Speaker 23: and he says that frankly, he's fed up of the

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Speaker 23: US filling that gap.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now listen, I'm bettter, you're part of the world.

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Speaker 3: Why was this Labor MP punching the sky?

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Speaker 23: A very good question. So this MP is from Cheshire

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Speaker 23: in the northwest of England and Mike Ainsbury is his name.

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Speaker 23: He's been suspended from the Labor Party, that's the party

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Speaker 23: of government at the moment. And we are now expecting

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Speaker 23: a court case because police are saying they've charged a

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Speaker 23: fifty five year old man and he is to appear

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Speaker 23: in court formally at a later date. There are reports

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Speaker 23: that he assaulted a forty five year old man in Frodsham,

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Speaker 23: which is a small village not far from Liverpool, and

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Speaker 23: that happened just after a quarter to three on Sunday morning,

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Speaker 23: the twenty sixth of October. There is video CCTV from

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Speaker 23: nearby shops as well, which show a man standing in

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Speaker 23: the road waiting for a taxi when another man strikes

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Speaker 23: him and he falls backwards strikes him by punching him. Now,

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Speaker 23: obviously this is are all allegations that it is my Gamesbury.

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Speaker 23: He has said that he's going to be looking at

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Speaker 23: this under court, but he volunteered to be interviewed under

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Speaker 23: a police caution after reports of an assault on the

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Speaker 23: main street at Frodsham and Cheshire Police say they are

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Speaker 23: investigating that complaint and have sent it up to the

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Speaker 23: Crown Prosecution Service in a prick to go to court.

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Speaker 3: Very interesting, hey, Gevin, thanks very much. Keep us posted

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Speaker 3: on that. That sounds fascinating. That's Devin Gray, our UK correspondent.

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Speaker 3: N I didn't realize this, but did you realize that? Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean Yellowstone's launching in New Zealand next week on Monday,

2069
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 3: so that's going to get that's going to make some

2070
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 3: people's hearts leap in it. But did you realize actually

2071
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 3: that there are already two prequels then I appear to

2072
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 3: be out it appeared to be about Yellowstone. Is one

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01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 3: called eighteen eighty three, and there's one called nineteen twenty three,

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Speaker 3: which I think probably as a clue as to what

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Speaker 3: they're about right, set in eighteen eighty three and set

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Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty three. And then as well as that,

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Speaker 3: there's another drama set in Montana called The Madison which

2078
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 3: stars Michelle Faeiffer, which is also in the works. So

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01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 3: there's just a whole universe of Duttony Yellowstone out there

2080
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 3: about Montana for you to go and enjoy. And also

2081
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 3: on Monday, how good away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Getting ready for a new administration in the US. What

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Speaker 1: will be the impact?

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Speaker 2: It's The Business Hour with Heather Duplas, Ellen and my

2085
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:36,600
Speaker 2: Hr the HR solution for busy SMEs news talks ad B.

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Speaker 3: Hither eighteen eighty three is amazing from Scott Hither eighteen

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Speaker 3: eighty three is fabulous. As for Yellowstone, that was meh

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Speaker 3: and I've given up on it. That's from Carl Hither.

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01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 3: It's been out for a year. Better than Yellowstone, way

2090
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Speaker 3: better Hither. Come on, keep up now, I know quite quite.

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01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 3: I'm taking that on the chin. Where have I been

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01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 3: so anyway? Thank you? So anyway, when what this means,

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01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 3: of course is when I have this baby, I'm not

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01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:00,560
Speaker 3: going to have a shortage of things, tom I'm just

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01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 3: gonna be I'm gonna come back dressed like a cowboy

2096
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 3: because I'm gonna have watched so much of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: We had a question in the news room the other

2098
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:09,440
Speaker 3: day from the Boss of all People asking why Republicans

2099
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 3: are red and Democrats are blue because that is the

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Speaker 3: opposite of the international convention right, because generally the left

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01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,559
Speaker 3: use red. They left around the world, like you think

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Speaker 3: of our Labour Party, the UK Labor Party, the Communists

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Speaker 3: in China, you know, et cetera. They use red because

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Speaker 3: it's associated with radicals and I'm not being disparaging this

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Speaker 3: as a fact. And the right use blue, so you

2106
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 3: think like the Tories and the National Party and so on,

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01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 3: because blue is associated with wealth because it's the most

2108
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 3: expensive colors are produced, and generally back in the old day,

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Speaker 3: if you were voting for the Tories and stuff and

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Speaker 3: the National Party, you were the dudes with money. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I can answer this question for you because it's actually fascinating.

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01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:48,599
Speaker 3: The reason why it's the other way around. In the US,

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Speaker 3: the reds are the right and the blues are the

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01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 3: left is because red has an R and Reagan. The

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01:38:55,960 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 3: Republican has an R and Republicans have an R. Literally,

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Speaker 3: this is how simple the Americans are. That is why

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Speaker 3: they got red. Because what happened was before the nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 3: they didn't actually have colors really associated with the party.

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Speaker 3: JFK used orange, and the Republicans were using blue. Bush

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Speaker 3: used blue, and the TV channels used yellow for the Republicans.

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Speaker 3: It was all over the shop. And then one day

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Speaker 3: the ABC were like, we got to pick a color,

2123
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 3: and they were like red ah Reagan ah, okay, read

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Speaker 3: for Reagan, read for Republicans. Literally, how simple are the

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Speaker 3: you are the Americans? And thusn't then everybody else copied

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Speaker 3: them and that is how it is.

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Speaker 22: And I just love that one, just because the TV

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Speaker 22: person didn't realize they were defining a party for like

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Speaker 22: the rest of its history. They were like, oh, well,

2130
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 22: we need to use a color on the TV. Ah, red.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 22: There we go on such things, just the world turn.

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Speaker 22: I love that story. That's r Hand of God by

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01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:52,000
Speaker 22: Sartchi to play us out tonight brand new music. This

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01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 22: is out today and Sartsy of course kiwis Kiwi pop duo.

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01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 22: They said this song all their music is kind of

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01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:59,559
Speaker 22: inspired by Lady Gaga. But they've they've got some Gaga

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01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 22: vibes this one and it's about you know, coming together

2139
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Speaker 22: and stuff. So there we go. What a nice way

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Speaker 22: to end the week.

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Speaker 3: You remember that band from Oh, I can see you

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Speaker 3: nodding your head. This is really this is your vibes.

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Speaker 3: You're the brother and sister from Nelson Brudes, Yes, Split

2144
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Speaker 3: Broods Ea before it started descending into this weird trancedance

2145
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Speaker 3: stuff that you listen to.

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Speaker 22: They love using the keys and they love using the

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Speaker 22: scents in there. It's very kind of eighties influence.

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Speaker 3: But we are love an eighties tune, all right. Enjoy Listen,

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Speaker 3: Enjoy in Auckland Pool jams on. So just watch out

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Speaker 3: around that traffic there and stuff. Don't go crazy, don't

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Speaker 3: pull the horns. Don't be a bogan. If you're at

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Speaker 3: nunt smart or be a bogan. Lean into it past

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Speaker 3: you on Monday.

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Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to

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