1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Are we reaching, I ask you this Friday morning in 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Nadia as a country in a week where we still 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: set records for young people leaving a parliament which has 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: circus like qualities and behavior and a lack of respect 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: for the institution that those of us who've been around 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: a while have not witnessed before. Not to mention a 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: media that apparently allows now any level of low rent 8 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: language that passes for reported your opinion. Now, Winston Peter's, 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: having had his head literally in his hands, is calling 10 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: it a house of chaos, of course, and Winston Peters 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: is with us. Very good morning, Good morning. Got a 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: view on Jerry Brownlee yesterday in his reaction to that 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: ruling from the Privileges Committee and how we're going to 14 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: have a debate of hundreds of people offering up amendments 15 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: that will last but lord knows how long. 16 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: Yes, I do, but it's not vice for me to 17 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: express it on this program. I intend to do something 18 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: about it that you don't mind. I don't want to 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: talk about it on this program, fair enough. Put this way, 20 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: that's the Select Committee in a very truncated process because 21 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: they wouldn't turn up, of course, enormous delays has come 22 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: to a decision. That's for the House to endorse it otherwise, 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: And this idea of hours and hours and days and 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: days and weeks and everyone having a chance of talking 25 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: more than once and move a members is in my 26 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: view plainly wrong. That's his father want to go. 27 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: I was bitterly disappointed and I think less album for it. 28 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? 29 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: Look, the reality is that every speaker should remember that 30 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: they are Parliament's person. And this whole thing started as 31 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: a rot under Mallied when he, having got the job, 32 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: decide he's going to post his own views. People went 33 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: required to wear tires, weren't trud to be formal. All 34 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: sorts of things happened. You were sitting in the chair 35 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: holding your babies to try and him to make that 36 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: he's a family friendly. All the stuff as crap, you know, frankly, 37 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: and it is really crap inste grating And as Stephen Maharry, 38 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: the former MP and minister from Palmerson North said, once 39 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: you less down dress and other standards, everything else will 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: be let down as well and based and that's exactly 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: what's happened. It's not Look, this is a place where 42 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: was the raging battle for political power's emotional and a 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: lot of language has been using the past, which has 44 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: been hurtful, but it also has been oratorical. It's very 45 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: much talunted based or I'm not talking about that. I'm 46 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 2: talking about words of filth and things like that now 47 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: and behavior that matches that as well. 48 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: That word aside, Did van Velden do the right thing? 49 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: You think? Of course she did? I just wished she 50 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: had said it's an explicit deleted the word, I can't say, 51 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: but to have used it. Now, where do you go 52 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: from there? 53 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: Well? Nowhere? Because you're rich bottom TANESSI does she carry 54 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: the can for asking it and firing it up? 55 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: Yes, but also her leader carries the can and he 56 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 2: says they made a mistake. It was a bit late. 57 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: Now didn't they read and see what Andrew Advance had written? 58 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: And I can only assume that your three seats that 59 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: when when she wrote that, Yeah, but it was cleared 60 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: the Yes, I know, I know, but here's the point. 61 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 2: It actually, I'm told went to the clerk's office. There's 62 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: a lot of we haven't found out yet. No, but 63 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: it was when I think I thought, when Brooke wrote 64 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 2: that she must have should he asked someone what do 65 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: you think because that used that word? It's not that 66 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 2: it's somebody else's word. No, you've now used it and 67 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 2: put it on the done record here. 68 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: It's weird the but you try. I mean, we're getting 69 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: into the weeds here a little bit for people who 70 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: don't watch a question time. But but it was you, 71 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: Bishop n Jones who tried to argue with Brownlee again 72 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: that the question shouldn't be asked. And you've ultimately proven 73 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: to be correct, haven't you. 74 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so and likely and we also we 75 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: also specified the standing order with precision as to what 76 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: applied there. And yes, we're not happy at all, and 77 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: we're going to be raising this matter further. 78 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: Do you worry? I mean this brings in the business 79 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: of the kids leaving, young people leaving the country as well, 80 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: in this malaise we face. Do you worry? And I'll 81 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: include myself in this that we're old and in being old, 82 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,559 Speaker 1: I mean you're older than me, obviously, but in being. 83 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: Old, you shouldn't. It's obvious. 84 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: In being old, we just sound like old farts and 85 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: we don't get the modern way and we should move on. 86 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: Well, that's all very fashionable and chkh and very updated. 87 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: But only thing about that it's wrong. The great things 88 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: we've got in our society, a Christian background, the law 89 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: that's been refined. These things are the exception worldwide and 90 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: the exception down through the thousands of years of humanity. 91 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: Now what we've got is the refinement a lot of 92 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: people's works, and we're the lucky innerratives of it. Was 93 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: not old fashioned at all. It's unlike other society where 94 00:04:54,880 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: things are organized despotism and anarchy. We have got something 95 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: good here worth this preserving. And as a Mari since 96 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: eighteen sixty seven, Mari have been coming in and we've 97 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: accepted all of these things and all these rules all 98 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 2: this time until this lattice bunch of the Maripaid not 99 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 2: originally not better Shaples, not to Antonio, not Jimbo Flaveel. No, 100 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: this new bunch turns up and says the whole lots 101 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: of that crap, and we don't give it down. What 102 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: the rules are, and we'll do what's like and they're 103 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: going to find out the answers. I know you won't. 104 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: Broadly, in reference to the people leaving the country and 105 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: the ongoing number of people leaving the country, particularly young people. 106 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: Are you, as a government and a senior member of 107 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: that government, are you finding this? I mean, how do 108 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: you deal with this day? I'm quite depressed about it all. 109 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: I find it seems harder than perhaps first thought. 110 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: Well, you're entirely right, but the reality is we have 111 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: as a country where we once were having people going 112 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: overseas for oi was usual was two or three is 113 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: and then coming home. They're going and staying and they're 114 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 2: going one way. And the only way to turn that 115 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: around is we're going to raise the level of wealth creation, 116 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: the level of exports, leable of added value. We've got 117 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: to reduce company taxations, pay better waters. There's no short 118 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: there's no shortcut to this. 119 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Tom, You have a good weekend. Winston petersd 120 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: Wdy Leader, Foreign Minister, stickler for Standards. 121 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 122 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 123 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.