1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: The brutal death of that poor wee boy, Malachi Subek 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: is a disgrace. No one will argue with that. It 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: was basically torture, horrible stuff, and now we have these 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: debates popping up about it. Back in the news another 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: report being done. Should the minister front for interviews that 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: was the focus of an article yesterday. Karen Shaw, herself 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: a product of the foster care system, criticized, didn't attend 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: or didn't do any interviews. Apparently yesterday during the day 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: she was busy attended a pre planned lunch event to 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: eat some lamb on Parliament's lawn. Criticized for this, she 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: should have, according to this irn Z story, presumably been 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: inside answering questions about why more wasn't being done about 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: this boy's murder, which you might recall was back in 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Calvin Davis, you may recall, also came 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: in for a hammering from the media when he was 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: the minister. So I think we should all be really 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: clear at the outset. Neither Karen nor Calvin nor any 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: politician is responsible for the deaths of baby. The fact 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: we have no culprit for the death of baby ru 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: In the hut is you could say the fault of 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: the police, but ultimately, as with all of these cases, 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: fault lies with those who do the killing and those 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: who do the covering up. You know, the family who 24 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: don't speak to police, the partner who won't dib in 25 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: their other half. The are the real culprits here. Yes, 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: there are things we can learn, things we can do, 27 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: things that can change. We can change the name of 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: an agency. God We've done that enough times. We can 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: add a red flag system here. We can appoint a 30 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: children's commissioner there. But ultimately does any of it do 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: any good. We average around ten or eleven kids killed 32 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: by homicide every year in New Zealand. Ask ot or 33 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: sifts before them, and they'll tell you that reports of 34 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: abuse seem to be trending down, but they have a 35 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: new thing called reports of concern. They are going up. 36 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: We actually don't know for certain if this is getting 37 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: better or worse, because there's apparently a data lag. I know, 38 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: it's an incredible thing to have a data lag on, 39 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: but here we are. You would have to say, though, 40 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: on the whole, the pictures not rosy, and no amount 41 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: of stalking MPs around Parliament is going to fix it. 42 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: Any fix surely has to be in the home. For 43 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen live to 44 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: News Talks at B from five am weekdays, or follow 45 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.