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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty unparalleled reach

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Speaker 1: and results on the Huddle.

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Speaker 2: With me this evening, we've got Jack Tame, host of

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Speaker 2: Q and A and Saturday Mornings here on z'd be

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Speaker 2: hello Jack, Hey, And we're supposed to have Jordan Williams

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Speaker 2: of the Taxpayers Union, but Jordan, it turns out, has

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Speaker 2: Jordan has notifications silenced on his phone.

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Speaker 3: So look, we know what Jordan would We know roughly

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Speaker 3: what Jordan would say, right, I mean I know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to be Jordan and I'll be me?

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Speaker 4: Or can I be you and you be Jordan?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Honestly.

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Speaker 2: Heather then asks who won the debate? And Jack goes, oh, Carmela,

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Speaker 2: hands down?

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Speaker 3: Do you know Jack? Jack doesn't think hands down?

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Speaker 2: Can I Can I go back to being Jack?

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Speaker 4: And as much better?

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Speaker 3: I reckon? No, I reckon she won, but I reckon

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Speaker 3: that Like confirmation bias plays such a big role in all.

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Speaker 3: So many analysts watch this stuff and going like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: look at Karmela watching and you've got you've really got

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Speaker 3: to try put yourself in the position of a Trump

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Speaker 3: voter or of someone who I can't believe there's anyone

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Speaker 3: still in this position who hasn't made up their mind

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Speaker 3: heading into November's election. So yeah, I reckon Team Harris

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Speaker 3: will be happier than Team Trump tonight. But I reckon

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Speaker 3: they shouldn't be too happy because I reckon she actually

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Speaker 3: stumbled on a couple of big things. So the first

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Speaker 3: of all, the very first question of the night was,

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Speaker 3: can you say, Kamala Harris to the American people that

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Speaker 3: economically they are better off today than they were four

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Speaker 3: years ago when you and Joe Biden took the White House?

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Speaker 3: And I thought she was super, super weak. She didn't

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Speaker 3: come Yeah, you shouldn't come close to answering the question.

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Speaker 3: But also I just thought she looked really nervous and

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Speaker 3: she didn't really have a coherent answer to that. And

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Speaker 3: you've got to remember that when it comes to policy,

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Speaker 3: the American voters say the issue they care about most

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Speaker 3: at the moment is the economy, a head of immigration,

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Speaker 3: ahead of abortion rights. It's the economy, it's the cost

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Speaker 3: of living, And I reckon she's still pretty weak on that.

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Speaker 3: That being said, she obviously more confident throughout the debate,

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Speaker 3: and every time Trump went off on one of those

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Speaker 3: Trumpian tangents and was kind of speaking semi coherently at best.

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Speaker 3: It obviously suited Kamala Harris, and I think he just

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Speaker 3: took the bait, probably more times than he should have.

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Speaker 3: Instead of just saying, you know, he should have every

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Speaker 3: single answer, he should have just said, looked at the

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Speaker 3: camera and said, ask yourself this, Are you better off

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Speaker 3: today than you were four years ago? Are you better

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Speaker 3: off today than you were four years ago? Instead, he

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Speaker 3: was talking about eating cats and dogs, he was talking

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Speaker 3: about executing fetuses at nine months. He was talking about

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Speaker 3: some pretty wild stuff, and I don't think that.

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Speaker 2: Helped him so because I agree with you that pretty

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Speaker 2: much everybody will have made up their mind and they

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Speaker 2: will see the winner that they want to see in

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Speaker 2: this then the question is, okay, how do you win

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Speaker 2: the election? And the only way that you win the

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Speaker 2: election if everybody's made up their mind is whether you

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Speaker 2: can mobilize enough of your voters as opposed to the

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Speaker 2: other side. Which of them is going to be the mobilizer.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it all comes down to election momentum.

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Speaker 3: And if you think about momentum of the last six

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Speaker 3: to eight weeks, it's very much been in the democrats favor.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is kind of remarkable tonight that in

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Speaker 3: a debate that was almost one hundred minutes long, I

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Speaker 3: think there was one sentence that reference to Donald Trump's

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Speaker 3: attempted assassination, Like that's crazy that it happened in July

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Speaker 3: and it barely featured in that debate tonight. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he was shot in the air and it barely featured tonight.

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Speaker 3: But it just speaks to how the momentum has shifted.

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Speaker 3: And you know, when you think about not only the

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Speaker 3: performance tonight, in the fallout and you know everyone is saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: maybe Carmla had it or whatever, you know, and think

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Speaker 3: about Taylor Swift's endorsement, like, I don't think there are

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Speaker 3: people who were on the fence who are now going

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Speaker 3: to be supporting Karmala Harris because Taylor Swift is endorsing her.

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Speaker 3: But I do think Taylor Swift endorsing her helps her

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Speaker 3: with momentum. And the more momentum that Carmala Harris has,

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Speaker 3: the more likely she has to get people to the polls, which.

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Speaker 4: Reminds me of it reminds the little ones to go

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Speaker 4: out and vote.

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Speaker 2: All right, listen, got we've got Jordan on the phone,

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Speaker 2: but I'm going to punish Jordan by just waiting some more.

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Speaker 1: That was a huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty,

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Speaker 4: It's slower the mark. They're back with the huddle, Jack

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Speaker 4: Tam and Jordan Williams. Hello, Jordan, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Not going to want to just down there.

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Speaker 4: What were you doing?

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Speaker 5: I can report the wine bar on Woodward Street in

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Speaker 5: Wellington did not have reception for spark, but it does

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Speaker 5: have a reception for one. And you happen to call

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Speaker 5: my business partner who was sitting next to me, and

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Speaker 5: his sign rang and mind didn't.

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Speaker 4: This is how we work on this show. We know

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Speaker 4: everything about.

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Speaker 5: How we don't know how you knew who I was.

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Speaker 4: To find your phone off with us.

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Speaker 2: We've got spies everywhere we are the y s I

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Speaker 2: s no, Jordan, listen, thank you for for well thank

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Speaker 2: you for obviously being with somebody we know that you

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Speaker 2: would be with, so thank you for being predictable.

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Speaker 5: I think your producer deserves a chocolate bush for that.

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Speaker 4: But yes, German spy who won the debate?

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Speaker 5: Oh, very clearly, Camelid, I mean Trump was very predictable,

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Speaker 5: whereas we I mean, we were all I think waiting

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Speaker 5: to see if Kamala Harris actually had some substance, and

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Speaker 5: she delivered. I mean, she's not my politics, but she

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Speaker 5: was impressive and considered string arguments together in a way

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Speaker 5: that clearly Donald Trump didn't till couldn't. There's lots of

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Speaker 5: assertions that as classics of Donald Trump. I mean, it

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Speaker 5: is I totally agree with Jack. It is just incredible

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Speaker 5: to think what where we were post assassination attempt. It

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Speaker 5: looked to be in the bag. How in the space

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Speaker 5: of what six weeks things can change. It would take now,

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Speaker 5: I think a pretty big October surprise, which is the

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Speaker 5: sort of the chance is always something that up ends

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Speaker 5: the election or changed the momentum to sort of to

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Speaker 5: sort of change the direction of travel.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought, Jordan, you managed to see the

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Speaker 2: way that David Seymour has rewritten those treaty principles.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, is it going to diffuse the critics? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: there's two ways to look at it. The first is

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Speaker 5: that it more accurately reflects the treaty, and that is

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Speaker 5: that you know Article two of the Treaty around e

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Speaker 5: we were guaranteed to Tarotager. On the other hand, I

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Speaker 5: thought the whole point of the treaty Principle's bill was

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Speaker 5: to down the debates that actually Article two simply guarantee

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Speaker 5: to EWE what it was the default in English law

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Speaker 5: that you know, self determination writes your property, et cetera,

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Speaker 5: et cetera. So it depends. On the one hand, the

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Speaker 5: critics of the bill should actually be you know, jumping

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Speaker 5: to joy it more accurately reflects what the treaty was about.

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Speaker 5: On the other hand, is it a capitulation from act

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Speaker 5: and that even if it now passed, would it continue

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Speaker 5: to give the judiciary a license for special treatment? The

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Speaker 5: sort of lost the principled stance. Yeah. So the point is,

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Speaker 5: it depends on the way you look at it. I

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Speaker 5: think reasonable mind even those that sport the bill would

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Speaker 5: differ on whether it's a good move or not. I

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Speaker 5: do think, though, is if he hasn't received anything from

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Speaker 5: the National Party or the governing parties in terms of

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Speaker 5: actually getting the bill over the line, it does appear

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Speaker 5: at first glance a capitulation for nothing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what do you reckon, Jack, Yeah, that's a very

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Speaker 3: interesting take.

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Speaker 4: I reckon.

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Speaker 3: I reckon they're almost irrelevant, and that I don't think

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Speaker 3: this discussion, as much as David Seymour might want it

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Speaker 3: to be held in good faith around the principles as

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Speaker 3: he's defined and released them, I don't think it's going

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Speaker 3: to matter. I don't think the debate is going to

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Speaker 3: be about this. I think it's going to go to

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Speaker 3: non academic binaries are you racist? Are you not racist?

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Speaker 3: Pretty extreme language that will serve the extreme ends on

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Speaker 3: both sides of this debate. So I reckon, You know,

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Speaker 3: people who are vehemently opposed to exposition, who vehemently support

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Speaker 3: it are going to be really exercised throughout the entire

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Speaker 3: Select Committee process. I think ACT and David Seama are

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Speaker 3: going to draw out this process as much as they

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Speaker 3: possibly can. It's going to be really irritating for national

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Speaker 3: maybe even a little bit from New Zealand First as well.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's almost to Jordan's point, almost it

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Speaker 3: almost doesn't matter how the principles have been defined as

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Speaker 3: per seym War's language, because I really don't see the

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Speaker 3: debate actually being about those words and what.

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Speaker 5: Is in there.

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Speaker 2: I think both of you bang on, guys. Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much, Jack, Tam and Jordan Williams.

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