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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Matt and Tyler Full Show Podcast

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Speaker 2: number two zero one. And what a show it was today.

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Speaker 2: You know, we said we were going to talk about

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Speaker 2: what makes you a bad KEI we things you haven't done.

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Speaker 2: We didn't get around to that. I'm telling you right now,

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Speaker 2: we didn't get around to that waiting for that. We

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Speaker 2: won't because our chat on how not reading people's lack

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Speaker 2: of ability to read novels and long form books is

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Speaker 2: making us dumber and dumber and dumber and unable to

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Speaker 2: understand basic politics that blew up, went.

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Speaker 3: Off, absolutely off. So it was a fantastic show. Tell

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Speaker 3: your friends, family, download, subscribe, all that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: And I tell you what an intense discussion about the

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Speaker 2: whole Tom Phillips situation that you might enjoy as well.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, good on you.

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Speaker 3: We love you guys.

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Speaker 2: Give me a taste to key we talk to see

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Speaker 2: you again. You seem busy, I'll let you listen to

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Speaker 2: the pod. All right then, Okay, I have lost my voice,

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Speaker 2: all right then bye.

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Speaker 5: One of them big stories, the big issues, the big

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

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Speaker 3: Be afternoon to you. Welcome into Tuesday. So I hope

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Speaker 3: you're having a good day. Always appreciate you joining us

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Speaker 3: on the show. Welcome to all the new listeners as well.

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Speaker 3: Love having you here.

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Speaker 4: Get a man, Get a Tyler. How are you today?

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Speaker 3: I am good.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, mate. I've got a new neighbor.

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Speaker 3: He arrived on Friday, and I didn't think I was

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Speaker 3: going to like this neighbor very much, but it turns

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Speaker 3: out he's actually making me a better person. So this

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Speaker 3: new neighbor is a rooster, and he's ride on the

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Speaker 3: back fence that he has to join the neighborhood.

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Speaker 4: He's an actual rooster.

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Speaker 3: He's an actual rooster.

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Speaker 4: He's not a good rooster. He's an actual He's.

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Speaker 3: An actual rooster. Feathers the old rocker.

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Speaker 4: Everything cockadoodle do is cocker doodle doo.

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Speaker 3: And the reason he's making me a better person is

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Speaker 3: because that sound at about five thirty, and he's not

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it might even be seven am. But the five

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Speaker 3: is way more nicer than I thought it was going

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Speaker 3: I thought, here we go. The neighborhood's going to go downhill.

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Speaker 3: But it is such a nice thing to just listen

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Speaker 3: to that sound of nature. The rooster. He is happy

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Speaker 3: about the morning. It's my new little nature's alarm clock.

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Speaker 7: I love it.

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Speaker 4: See, Tyler, you're speaking to the converted here.

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Speaker 2: Because I grew up on a farm and the rooster's

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Speaker 2: That was how I grew up. It's very nostalgic for me.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is that you talk about the different times.

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Speaker 2: You know, they cock adoodle do all day. They just

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Speaker 3: He's pretty loud. He doesn't shut up now.

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Speaker 4: But my point is he's not doing it as your

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Speaker 2: As soon as the sun comes up, he'll do it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, which is fantastic. I like his style.

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Speaker 4: Now you're not supposed to. I thought there was rules

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two. If you know about that is

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Speaker 3: If you know, nine two nine two. But on to

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Speaker 3: today's show. It is a doozy as it always is

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Speaker 3: for you. So after three o'clock there was an article

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Speaker 2: I know, yes, I mean that's just the one line there,

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Speaker 2: Is it a game of backyard cricket as a hangy?

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Speaker 3: Good pair of jandals.

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Speaker 2: It's probably too much to usk people to watch the

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Speaker 4: Definitely great movie.

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Speaker 3: Ofs That's a good week there, right. That is after

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Speaker 3: three o'clock. After two o'clock, reading is in trouble. Multiple

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Speaker 3: In America, the share of people who read for pleasure

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Speaker 2: are you reading less of you finding it hard to read?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward to that after two o'clock and after actually,

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Speaker 3: right now, let's have a chat about this. So, as

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Speaker 3: we know, police are stitching together details on how Tom

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Speaker 3: But as we now know, Phillips was shot dead by

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Speaker 3: questions have now turned to the police operation over the

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Speaker 2: How comfortable are you with how all this has gone

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Speaker 2: They were they too cautious in their in their search?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So, although I would say it's an incredibly complex

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Speaker 4: your thoughts on that eight hundred and eighty ten eighty yep.

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Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts on this. Nine two ninety

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Speaker 3: mister Mark Mitchell on his show this morning, and when

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Speaker 9: I've spoken with and visited several of the officers that

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Speaker 9: and they were confronted with almost an impossible situation where

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Speaker 9: likely to use them, and they don't want to create

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Speaker 10: Did you guys or did the police know ish where

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Speaker 9: You know, the police are very good, they're very efficient,

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Speaker 9: they've got lots of tools, they've got very deep capability.

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Speaker 9: They can find people. But it's a big complicating factor

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Speaker 9: mister Phillips has been killed. He's been killed because he

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Speaker 3: So obviously the police minister, backing his staff and his

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Speaker 11: We knew that we were dealing with an armed, a

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Speaker 11: we confronted mister Phillips. He shot one of my staff

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Speaker 3: So that was Police Commissioner Richard Chambers and of course

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Speaker 3: can you hear from you Are you comfortable with how

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Speaker 2: I don't always agree with the police, but there is

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Speaker 2: this texter, this one disagrees should have left him alone.

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Speaker 2: He was trying to keep his children safe from a

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Speaker 2: terrible family situation. But I mean the armed robbery linked

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Speaker 2: to that May twenty twenty three armed robbery antiquity. Then

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Speaker 2: there was the superrette in November twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: It's you know.

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Speaker 3: It was brazen actions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there, you couldn't expect police to leave that kind

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you I mean armed, Robbie? Could our

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Speaker 4: armed robberies cannot be go.

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Speaker 2: Uninvestigated and the people that are suspected and it cannot

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Speaker 4: And not hunted. You know that's just not The society

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Speaker 4: would break down pretty quickly if that was the case.

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Speaker 3: The police of a job to do. Absolutely, But what

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Speaker 3: from what we know now, are you comfortable with how

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Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text number back in

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Speaker 2: This person responding to the person that texted and said

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Speaker 4: Tiquity robbery of a bank.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how people could expect you to leave

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Speaker 4: Good on your Peter, thanks for you cure.

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Speaker 3: And as you say, an armed robbery with firearms and

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Speaker 2: These kids were isolated, cold, Hungary, on the run. No school,

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the make asking breakfast.

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Speaker 10: So after virtually four years, the Tom Philip Sunker came

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Speaker 4: Mark Mitchell's the police minister.

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Speaker 9: Obviously an awful situation to everyone involved. When you've got

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Speaker 10: Did you have a genuine knowledge based belief that he

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Speaker 9: Also, the detail in terms of the risk analysis that

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. Are you comfortable with the way

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Speaker 3: the police handled the Tom Phillips situation, Julie, good afternoon.

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Speaker 14: And a very good afternoon to you gentlemen too. The police,

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Speaker 14: they did a wonderful job, absolutely wonderful job. Put themselves

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Speaker 14: She needs hot showers, they need warm beds. That was

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Speaker 14: How did he did he provide good beating for them?

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Speaker 14: That was what I was concerned about. But the police,

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Speaker 3: Julie, thank you very much for giving us a bus.

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Speaker 3: And I think most if not all of New Zealand

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Speaker 15: They'd be headlines with blue bubble taxi. There's no trouble

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Speaker 15: We will take you live when it starts. Police are

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Wendy, So we are standing by

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, another good show given the terrain and complexity

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Speaker 2: I think it's not legally possible to deploy the essays

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Speaker 3: I can understand the argument of that because if they

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Speaker 4: Definitely lesson learned here.

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Speaker 2: If someone commits kidnapped, robbery and burglary, every possible use

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and safety of that children was paramount, wasn't it?

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Speaker 7: Show, good guy. I'll keep it quick because I know

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Speaker 3: Sorry, we've got to go right, We're going live to

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Speaker 11: Name is Richard Chambers, Commissioner of Police. I have with

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Speaker 11: staff in dealing with the tragedy yesterday morning. Can I

442
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Speaker 11: acknowledge the incredible work of my police colleagues and how

443
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Speaker 11: proud I am of the work that they do day

444
00:21:53,053 --> 00:21:55,453
Speaker 11: and night across the country, but in particular dealing with

445
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Speaker 11: a very volatile situation. I also acknowledge the loss of

446
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Speaker 11: mister Phillips in that event yesterday morning, when the Minister

447
00:22:05,453 --> 00:22:09,293
Speaker 11: and I arrived back to New Zealand this morning. Our

448
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Speaker 11: priority was to travel here to the Waikatou and to

449
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Speaker 11: meet with the injured police officer we have just returned

450
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Speaker 11: from the hospital. We also took time to meet with

451
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Speaker 11: the family of our colleague who are here with him

452
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Speaker 11: supporting his recovery. The Minister and I have also taken

453
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Speaker 11: time to meet with the investigation team that includes not

454
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Speaker 11: only those that are dealing with the critical incident that

455
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Speaker 11: occurred yesterday morning, but also those that have been involved

456
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Speaker 11: in this investigation for four years. Can I say how

457
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Speaker 11: proud I am of all the police staff who have

458
00:22:46,933 --> 00:22:53,413
Speaker 11: worked tirelessly over four years on this investigation. We are very,

459
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Speaker 11: very fortunate that we are not dealing with the loss

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Speaker 11: of a New Zealand police officer. Can I comment to

461
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Speaker 11: also on the pride encourage of not only that police officer,

462
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Speaker 11: but his colleagues who there were We were there with

463
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Speaker 11: him dealing with the situation that unfolded yesterday morning. For

464
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Speaker 11: four years, we have known that mister Phillips has been armed,

465
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Speaker 11: he's been dangerous, and he has been motivated. We have

466
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Speaker 11: taken time over four years to consider how best to

467
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Speaker 11: deal with the situation. We were confident that, irrespective of

468
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Speaker 11: how hard we tried to bring it to a peaceful conclusion,

469
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Speaker 11: that with a motivated person, that was always going to

470
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Speaker 11: be a challenge, and that has informed the way that

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Speaker 11: we have dealt with this matter over the four years,

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Speaker 11: and including the way that we dealt with the recovery

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Speaker 11: of our children. Late yesterday when our colleague was shot. Yesterday,

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Speaker 11: we had the police Eagle helicopter down here from Auckland

475
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Speaker 11: and can I acknowledge their work supporting the incident. The

476
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Speaker 11: helicopter landed and the crew on board that which included

477
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Speaker 11: two of my police officers, are provided first aid to

478
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Speaker 11: the shot police officer. Likewise, the other police staff that

479
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Speaker 11: had come from across the Wycaddow district that were there

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Speaker 11: in support of that officer, and I honestly believe that

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Speaker 11: he is still with us today because of the work

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Speaker 11: that they did after he had been shot. We were

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Speaker 11: able to get the support of one of the children

484
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Speaker 11: yesterday morning to better understand where other children may be located.

485
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Speaker 11: That information allowed us to then locate the remaining children

486
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Speaker 11: about two kilometers away in dense Bush, and there are

487
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Speaker 11: some photos here that you are welcome to take pictures

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Speaker 11: off to help demonstrate the challenging environment in which we

489
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Speaker 11: were operating. We were also advised that we were likely

490
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Speaker 11: to find firearms at the campsite, and we did so.

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Speaker 11: Our approach throughout yesterday until such time as we recovered

492
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Speaker 11: the remaining children safe and will was cautious and that

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Speaker 11: was necessary. We must not forget that these children have

494
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Speaker 11: been living in the bush for four years. They are

495
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Speaker 11: skilled in that environment, and we need to approach the

496
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Speaker 11: scene very very cautiously to ensure that nobody was harmed

497
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Speaker 11: as we worked very very hard to recover them safely.

498
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Speaker 11: Warrick will talk soon too out of the care and

499
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Speaker 11: protection that has been wrapped around those children. I thank

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Speaker 11: my staff who have worked tirelessly for four years on

501
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Speaker 11: this investigation. We've got a lot of work to do

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Speaker 11: from this point on, but for over four years they've

503
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Speaker 11: put their heart and soul into trying to find mister

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Speaker 11: Phillips and the children. We've got to remember that as

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Speaker 11: police officers, we wear uniforms, but behind this uniform there

506
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Speaker 11: are also human beings, mums and dads, sons and daughters,

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Speaker 11: and it's not easy when you are so determined to

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Speaker 11: ensure that these children are safe and well. We face

509
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Speaker 11: so many other challenges and a motivated offender. It's a

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Speaker 11: challenge to bring us to a conclusion. The staff that

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Speaker 11: we have met with this morning, whilst very pleased that

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Speaker 11: we now have the children safe and well, the emotion

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Speaker 11: that the Minister and I have seen this morning is

514
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Speaker 11: very clear. We always knew this was going to be

515
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Speaker 11: a challenge, but I think the staff that have worked

516
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Speaker 11: on this investigation for such a long time from this

517
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Speaker 11: point on. We have obviously a police investigation into the

518
00:27:06,093 --> 00:27:10,733
Speaker 11: circumstances of the incident yesterday morning. We have another investigation

519
00:27:11,133 --> 00:27:13,573
Speaker 11: that will help puzzle put the puzzle together, that tells

520
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Speaker 11: us more about the last four years and in particular

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Speaker 11: anybody who may have been helping mister Phillips, and we

522
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Speaker 11: will deal with them accordingly. We also have an IPCA investigation,

523
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Speaker 11: which is entirely normal in this situation. That is all

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Speaker 11: from me and I'll open it up to questions shortly,

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Speaker 11: but uh closing and closing? Can I also acknowledge U

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Speaker 11: S acting to Deputy Commissioner Jill Rodgers whilst the Minister

527
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Speaker 11: and I were in Australia representing our country and our

528
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Speaker 11: organization is that on police. At the funerals of two

529
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Speaker 11: fallen Victoria offices, we were very conscious of the work

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Speaker 11: that was happening back here in New Zealand. I acknowledge

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Speaker 11: Acting Deputy Commissioner Rogers for her outstanding leadership yesterday and

532
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Speaker 11: providing as much information as we were able to in

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Speaker 11: the challenging events of yesterday, and now invite Winnister Mark

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Speaker 11: Mitchell to offer any further comment Tooh.

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Speaker 9: Thanks very much everyone for being here with us. It's

536
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Speaker 9: obviously been a very tough twenty four hours for the

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Speaker 9: entire country. Here has been a high degree of public

538
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Speaker 9: interest in this case. He has been a high degree

539
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Speaker 9: of concern for the children, and unfortunately it came to

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Speaker 9: its conclusion yesterday with the father attempting to kill one

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Speaker 9: of our police officers who we have just visited in

542
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Speaker 9: the hospital and I'm pleased to say was able to

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Speaker 9: talk with us and certainly gave myself and the Commissioner

544
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Speaker 9: a sense that although he's got a tough pathway to recovery,

545
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Speaker 9: there is a pathway to recovery and we are very

546
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Speaker 9: thankful that we still have him with us.

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Speaker 12: We spent time with his.

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Speaker 9: Wife and his family, his father, his mother, sister and

549
00:29:05,493 --> 00:29:09,293
Speaker 9: brother in law, and you can all will only imagine

550
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Speaker 9: how they're feeling at this time. Extremely proud of him,

551
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Speaker 9: extremely proud of the police officers that took action yesterday.

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Speaker 9: Everyone can see, I hope the country can see that

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Speaker 9: the situation that the police were presented with and trying

554
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Speaker 9: to deal with the situation and to try and conclude

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Speaker 9: it without the loss of life, in particular those children.

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Speaker 9: You had a father of mister Phillips, who in my view,

557
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Speaker 9: had no regard for the safety of those children. He

558
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Speaker 9: seemed to be solely motivated in terms of what he

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Speaker 9: wanted to do and how things were impacting him. When

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Speaker 9: you have when he's a suspect of having taken his

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Speaker 9: children into violent and dangerous offending on several occasions prior

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Speaker 9: to being dealt with or found and detected and then

563
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Speaker 9: the police being reported in the last forty eight hours,

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Speaker 9: he has quite literally put his children in harm's way.

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Speaker 9: And the police, certainly since I've been police minister, have

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Speaker 9: been very clear with me that everything that they do

567
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Speaker 9: and the approach that they'd taken is quite simply put

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Speaker 9: those children's safety at the forefront of decisions that were made,

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Speaker 9: and their concerns were they were going to be presented

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Speaker 9: with a situation where we had a tragedy and we

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Speaker 9: lost those kids, and I think everyone can see with

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Speaker 9: what unfolded that that was a genuine and a real concern.

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Speaker 9: So I want to acknowledge the police. I want to

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Speaker 9: acknowledge the leadership here, the police leadership here, Acting Deputy

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Speaker 9: Commissioner Jill Rodgers, the Commissioner, who was very clear they

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Speaker 9: we were in Melbourne that it was important to get

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Speaker 9: information out to the public quickly because, like I said,

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Speaker 9: there was a very high level arm of public interest

579
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Speaker 9: in this and public concern, and of course the communities

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Speaker 9: that are impacted and effected, it was only fear that

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Speaker 9: they were kept informed and they understood what was going on.

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Speaker 9: As you'd understand, it's a highly sensitive matter and there'll

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Speaker 9: be more information that will come, but not all of it.

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Speaker 9: We can't speak to all of it right now. So

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Speaker 9: I'd like to acknowledge the fact that there's been a

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Speaker 9: big human cost to this, whether it be the fact

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Speaker 9: that we've had one of our officers up at the

588
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Speaker 9: White Cotta Hospital having to undergo surgeries for critical injuries

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Speaker 9: his family, whether it be our police officers, who, like

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Speaker 9: the Commissioner said, have been working on this for four

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Speaker 9: years and you could see the emotion in them because

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Speaker 9: they are human, they are heavily invested in this. And

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Speaker 9: of course the huge relief that although we've had a

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Speaker 9: tragedy in the loss of mister Phillips, the huge relief

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Speaker 9: that those children are back now safe and I rang

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Speaker 9: a tummery care and an extended family. I want to

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Speaker 9: acknowledge the oc of the police case and the investigations,

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Speaker 9: all those teams, the entire police family, who in my

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Speaker 9: view have quite simply been outstanding and have been on

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Speaker 9: display for us again as a country, to show that

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Speaker 9: we are served by a world class police service that

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Speaker 9: is fully dedicated to making sure they keep the communities

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Speaker 9: that they serve safe. I want to acknowledge the Phillips family.

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Speaker 9: I know that they have been through a lot as well,

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Speaker 9: and they will be going through a lot right now.

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Speaker 9: And like I said, there has been there's been no

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Speaker 9: winners in this. It has been extremely difficult situation but

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Speaker 9: has been brought to a conclusion now those children are

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Speaker 9: back in safe care. They've obviously got a long road

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Speaker 9: ahead of them in terms of recovery, but they're able

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Speaker 9: to start that road. They're able to start.

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Speaker 4: That journey now.

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Speaker 9: And with that, I think it's appropriate to hand over

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Speaker 9: to Warwick Morrowho.

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Speaker 16: Thank you, Commissioner.

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Speaker 4: Minister.

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Speaker 16: I'm Marc Mori, who Regional Commissioner on a tomodyke wakattur

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Speaker 16: Bay plenty. Firstly, I would like also to offer our

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Speaker 16: condolences to the Phillips Faro and their loss and acknowledge

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Speaker 16: the brave deeds of our police and those juli Els.

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Speaker 16: Essentially especially thinking all of the injured police officer at

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Speaker 16: this time and his fino, wishing him a speedy recovery

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Speaker 16: to good health. Through his efforts he is enabled to

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Speaker 16: say return all these Tomodiqi. I want to say I

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Speaker 16: am constrained in the amount of information I can share.

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Speaker 16: The family call directively managing this case and we will

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Speaker 16: comply with the directions thank of us. I want to

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Speaker 16: assure the community here in Waykattle and also the wide

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Speaker 16: Republic of New Zealand that my team in this region

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Speaker 16: have been planning and preparing for the return of these

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Speaker 16: Tominique from when they went missing. I can confirm that

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Speaker 16: the children are settled and were settled last night. They

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Speaker 16: are doing well under the circumstances and engaging with the

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Speaker 16: staff supporting them going forward. I have an experienced and

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Speaker 16: dedicated team of staff assigned to this. They are prepped

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Speaker 16: and ready to respond to whatever needs these tomidique might have.

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Speaker 16: We are joined up with our partner agencies across the

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Speaker 16: children's system to respond to those needs. We have clinical

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Speaker 16: professionals who put their hands up to assist if required.

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Speaker 16: I want to assure you will that these tomiichi will

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Speaker 16: be provided with whatever help or assistance they may need,

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Speaker 16: for however long they may need it.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 16: I understand that there is huge public interest in these

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Speaker 16: tomaitiqui and their well being, but all I can ask

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Speaker 16: is that we please give them some privacy. These are young,

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Speaker 16: young tamaiki. This has been unprecedented these circumstances. Everyone is

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Speaker 16: doing their very best to ensure we can return them

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Speaker 16: to some form of normal daily life. We don't know

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Speaker 16: exactly what that looks like yet and how long that

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Speaker 16: may take. We will be guided by these tomatikui and

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Speaker 16: what they need. We would ask that you please keep

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Speaker 16: that in mind as we move forward. Kildown, thank you.

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Speaker 3: News talk z B. It is eleven minutes to two.

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Speaker 4: And just to recap.

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Speaker 2: On the one thirty pm press conference from Western Wakado,

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Speaker 2: Police Commissioner Richard Chambers acknowledged the incredible work of his

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Speaker 2: colleagues in a very volatile environment and also the loss

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Speaker 2: of Tom Phillips's life. He and the Police Minister Mark

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00:36:17,373 --> 00:36:19,853
Speaker 2: Mitchell met with the injured police officer and his family

661
00:36:19,973 --> 00:36:23,613
Speaker 2: in why Kator Hospital this morning and says we're very,

662
00:36:23,813 --> 00:36:26,133
Speaker 2: very fortunate that we are not dealing with the loss

663
00:36:26,213 --> 00:36:29,093
Speaker 2: of a New Zealand police officer. He says for four

664
00:36:29,213 --> 00:36:32,293
Speaker 2: years they've known Tom Phillips was armed, dangerous and motivated

665
00:36:32,733 --> 00:36:35,453
Speaker 2: and police took time over those four years on how

666
00:36:35,493 --> 00:36:38,173
Speaker 2: to deal with the situation. While police wanted a peaceful

667
00:36:38,173 --> 00:36:41,053
Speaker 2: conclusion with a motivated person, this was always going to

668
00:36:41,053 --> 00:36:44,172
Speaker 2: be a challenge. Chambers says they were lucky to have

669
00:36:44,293 --> 00:36:47,093
Speaker 2: the help of the child who was with Phillips to

670
00:36:47,213 --> 00:36:50,212
Speaker 2: find the other two indense bush. He released the first

671
00:36:50,213 --> 00:36:53,573
Speaker 2: images of the campsite where the family was staying, where

672
00:36:53,573 --> 00:36:56,453
Speaker 2: police also found multiple firearms. He says the approach to

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00:36:56,493 --> 00:36:58,973
Speaker 2: finding the children was cautious and necessary, as they had

674
00:36:59,053 --> 00:37:01,613
Speaker 2: been living in the bush for four years and are

675
00:37:01,693 --> 00:37:04,853
Speaker 2: schooled in the environment. From now on, they will continue

676
00:37:04,853 --> 00:37:08,253
Speaker 2: to be a police investigation into what happened yesterday morning.

677
00:37:08,413 --> 00:37:10,533
Speaker 3: And the recamp from the police. Minister Mark Mitchell, he

678
00:37:10,613 --> 00:37:13,533
Speaker 3: says after visiting the shop police officer in hospital this morning,

679
00:37:13,573 --> 00:37:15,373
Speaker 3: he's pleased to say that he was able to talk

680
00:37:15,613 --> 00:37:17,893
Speaker 3: and certainly gave himself and the commissioner a sense that

681
00:37:17,933 --> 00:37:21,013
Speaker 3: although he's got a tough pathway to recovery, there is

682
00:37:21,053 --> 00:37:23,613
Speaker 3: a pathway to recovery. He says, everyone can see the

683
00:37:23,613 --> 00:37:26,693
Speaker 3: situation the police were presented with yesterday morning and to

684
00:37:26,853 --> 00:37:30,172
Speaker 3: try and conclude it without loss of life. Mitchell says,

685
00:37:30,173 --> 00:37:32,373
Speaker 3: in his view, Tom Phillips had no regard for the

686
00:37:32,373 --> 00:37:35,093
Speaker 3: safety of his children and quite literally put them in

687
00:37:35,133 --> 00:37:38,253
Speaker 3: harm's way. Mitchell says police staff ensured they put the

688
00:37:38,333 --> 00:37:41,853
Speaker 3: children's safety at the forefront, and he says Phillips seemed

689
00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:44,292
Speaker 3: to be solely motivated in terms of what he wanted

690
00:37:44,333 --> 00:37:47,172
Speaker 3: to do and how things impacted him. And we just

691
00:37:47,213 --> 00:37:51,213
Speaker 3: heard from ordering a Tamadeki Regional Commissioner Warwick Mutahu, and

692
00:37:51,293 --> 00:37:53,893
Speaker 3: he says he's constrained in the amount of information he

693
00:37:53,973 --> 00:37:57,373
Speaker 3: can share with the family Court actively managing the case. However,

694
00:37:57,573 --> 00:37:59,853
Speaker 3: he says his team has been planning for the return

695
00:38:00,173 --> 00:38:02,653
Speaker 3: of these children since they went missing. He says the

696
00:38:02,733 --> 00:38:05,172
Speaker 3: children are settled and are doing well in the circumstance

697
00:38:05,213 --> 00:38:07,973
Speaker 3: as a prep team including clinical professionals, is ready to

698
00:38:07,973 --> 00:38:10,893
Speaker 3: support the children going forward, and they will receive whatever

699
00:38:10,933 --> 00:38:13,973
Speaker 3: help or assistance they may need for as long as

700
00:38:14,013 --> 00:38:16,773
Speaker 3: they might need it. He says, Please give them privacy

701
00:38:17,093 --> 00:38:21,613
Speaker 3: as they are young and the circumstances are unprecedented. So

702
00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:24,213
Speaker 3: keen on your thoughts nine two nine two. You just

703
00:38:24,333 --> 00:38:27,013
Speaker 3: heard what was said in that press conference at one

704
00:38:27,053 --> 00:38:30,733
Speaker 3: point thirty from the Police Commissioner, the Police Minister and

705
00:38:30,813 --> 00:38:33,692
Speaker 3: or Tamadiki. So nine two nine two, love to hear

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00:38:33,733 --> 00:38:35,853
Speaker 3: your thoughts. It is eight minutes to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

709
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Speaker 1: afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon, Jill. It is six minutes

711
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Speaker 3: to two. We're getting a heap of text correspondence on this.

712
00:38:51,173 --> 00:38:52,333
Speaker 3: On nine two nine two.

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00:38:52,933 --> 00:38:55,533
Speaker 2: Chris says, a great show, fellows. My question is the

714
00:38:55,613 --> 00:38:58,212
Speaker 2: surrounding farmland and owners. How did they not know they

715
00:38:58,253 --> 00:39:00,853
Speaker 2: were on their land or moving around the sound of

716
00:39:00,893 --> 00:39:03,732
Speaker 2: the quad bark would go far. Must have been heard

717
00:39:03,813 --> 00:39:08,293
Speaker 2: driving around day or night. Cheers Chris Man. It's pretty romance,

718
00:39:08,693 --> 00:39:11,652
Speaker 2: remote and dense bush. But yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 3: It's a possibility, and the investigation will be looking into that, I'm.

720
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Speaker 4: Sure, Amandep says.

721
00:39:16,773 --> 00:39:19,013
Speaker 2: I get that some people want to see Tom Phillips

722
00:39:19,053 --> 00:39:20,493
Speaker 2: as a dad who is just trying to love and

723
00:39:20,533 --> 00:39:22,533
Speaker 2: protect his kids, but I think it's important to step

724
00:39:22,573 --> 00:39:24,693
Speaker 2: back and look at the bigger picture. He didn't just

725
00:39:24,733 --> 00:39:26,573
Speaker 2: play a long game of hide and seek. He kept

726
00:39:26,613 --> 00:39:30,093
Speaker 2: his kids hidden from their mum, their wider family, school, friends,

727
00:39:30,133 --> 00:39:32,373
Speaker 2: and even basic health care for years. That is not

728
00:39:32,413 --> 00:39:35,093
Speaker 2: the same as protecting them, as actually taking away their

729
00:39:35,173 --> 00:39:38,772
Speaker 2: right to a safe and stable childhood. Teaching kids how

730
00:39:38,813 --> 00:39:41,213
Speaker 2: to live off the land might sound admirable, but it

731
00:39:41,253 --> 00:39:44,533
Speaker 2: does not replace education, medical care, and healthy social development.

732
00:39:44,613 --> 00:39:47,493
Speaker 2: We cannot romanticize survival skills. We're ignoring the harm of

733
00:39:47,613 --> 00:39:49,732
Speaker 2: growing up in secrecy and instability.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well thought out texts that one and this one. Briefly,

735
00:39:53,253 --> 00:39:55,292
Speaker 3: the police might have got it right. I'm not sure

736
00:39:55,333 --> 00:39:57,493
Speaker 3: I leaned towards the idea that a decision should have

737
00:39:57,493 --> 00:40:00,173
Speaker 3: been made early on to try at least to locate

738
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Speaker 3: Phillips and his children. At this point there needs to

739
00:40:02,133 --> 00:40:04,252
Speaker 3: be a wide ranging debate on whether the police should

740
00:40:04,293 --> 00:40:06,813
Speaker 3: have been more determined early on or to prevent Phillips

741
00:40:06,853 --> 00:40:08,652
Speaker 3: ruining the lives of the children and the way that

742
00:40:08,693 --> 00:40:12,533
Speaker 3: he did. Yeah, that is or we have time for

743
00:40:12,573 --> 00:40:14,853
Speaker 3: this hour, But thank you to everybody who phoned and

744
00:40:14,933 --> 00:40:17,813
Speaker 3: text on that. Really I appreciate you coming in on

745
00:40:17,853 --> 00:40:20,093
Speaker 3: that discussion. After two o'clock, we want to have a

746
00:40:20,133 --> 00:40:23,453
Speaker 3: chat about reading. It is in trouble. Multiple studies show

747
00:40:23,493 --> 00:40:26,293
Speaker 3: that adults are reading less, children are reading less, teenagers

748
00:40:26,293 --> 00:40:28,773
Speaker 3: are reading a lot less. A couple of figures for you.

749
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Speaker 3: In America the number of people who read for pleasure

750
00:40:31,373 --> 00:40:33,652
Speaker 3: that's fallen by two fifths and twenty years. And in

751
00:40:33,693 --> 00:40:37,733
Speaker 3: England found forty percent of Britain's had not read or

752
00:40:37,773 --> 00:40:40,253
Speaker 3: listened to any books in twenty twenty four.

753
00:40:40,373 --> 00:40:42,253
Speaker 2: So you're worried that your brain is turning to Marshall

754
00:40:42,293 --> 00:40:44,293
Speaker 2: or your kids' brains are turning to Marshal. The attention

755
00:40:44,413 --> 00:40:47,493
Speaker 2: span of the average person has dropped from two point

756
00:40:47,573 --> 00:40:53,413
Speaker 2: five minutes in twenty four to just forty seven seconds. Now, yeah,

757
00:40:54,013 --> 00:40:56,212
Speaker 2: hard to read a novel with a forty seven cent

758
00:40:56,373 --> 00:40:57,573
Speaker 2: and attention span.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

760
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Speaker 3: to call. What is reading look like in your household?

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Speaker 3: Love to hear from you? Nine two nine two is

762
00:41:05,253 --> 00:41:07,893
Speaker 3: the text number if that's your thing. New sport and

763
00:41:07,973 --> 00:41:10,773
Speaker 3: where the fast approaching? Stay right here you're listening to

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Speaker 3: Matt and Tyler. We will be back very surely.

765
00:41:15,773 --> 00:41:19,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

766
00:41:19,373 --> 00:41:22,732
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons

767
00:41:22,893 --> 00:41:23,453
Speaker 1: News Talks.

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00:41:23,453 --> 00:41:31,973
Speaker 12: Av talking with you all afternoon.

769
00:41:32,293 --> 00:41:35,853
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

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Speaker 14: It be.

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Speaker 3: For a good afternoon. Welcome back into the shelters. Seven

772
00:41:40,773 --> 00:41:43,533
Speaker 3: pass too now. Just to remind any breaking news or

773
00:41:43,653 --> 00:41:46,413
Speaker 3: updates and the investigation into the fatal shooting of Tom

774
00:41:46,413 --> 00:41:49,732
Speaker 3: Phillips and the safe retrieval of his children, you will

775
00:41:49,773 --> 00:41:52,493
Speaker 3: hear it here live and first, so we will bring

776
00:41:52,533 --> 00:41:55,253
Speaker 3: that to you. If we hear any breaking news or updates,

777
00:41:55,253 --> 00:41:57,333
Speaker 3: stay tuned, but in the meantime, let's have a chat

778
00:41:57,613 --> 00:42:00,733
Speaker 3: about reading. It is in trouble. Multiple studies and multiple

779
00:42:00,733 --> 00:42:03,253
Speaker 3: places seem to be showing the same thing. That is,

780
00:42:03,533 --> 00:42:06,053
Speaker 3: adults are reading a lot less, children are reading a

781
00:42:06,093 --> 00:42:09,493
Speaker 3: lot less, and teenagers are certainly reading very small. Children

782
00:42:09,493 --> 00:42:11,692
Speaker 3: are being read to less, and many are not being

783
00:42:11,733 --> 00:42:15,293
Speaker 3: read to at all. So the figures produced in this

784
00:42:15,413 --> 00:42:18,453
Speaker 3: report by the Economists show in America the share of

785
00:42:18,493 --> 00:42:21,053
Speaker 3: people who read for pleasure that's fallen by two fifths

786
00:42:21,093 --> 00:42:23,973
Speaker 3: in just twenty years, and the UK is even worth

787
00:42:24,133 --> 00:42:27,373
Speaker 3: I worse. I find this stat astonishing. Have found forty

788
00:42:27,373 --> 00:42:29,293
Speaker 3: percent of those in the UK had not read or

789
00:42:29,333 --> 00:42:32,373
Speaker 3: listened to any books any books in the whole of

790
00:42:32,413 --> 00:42:36,613
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four forty percent. That is a crazy stat here.

791
00:42:37,453 --> 00:42:40,453
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm reading all the time. Reading is fantastic.

792
00:42:41,333 --> 00:42:42,693
Speaker 4: I love reading. But this.

793
00:42:44,493 --> 00:42:48,173
Speaker 2: Article in The Economists suggests that this declining reading is

794
00:42:48,213 --> 00:42:53,133
Speaker 2: making our politics dumber, and it talks about politics coming

795
00:42:53,133 --> 00:42:56,133
Speaker 2: from TikTok, and what a problem that is, because if

796
00:42:56,173 --> 00:42:59,213
Speaker 2: people are getting things explained in sixty seconds or in

797
00:42:59,253 --> 00:43:02,773
Speaker 2: a tweet, then they're probably not getting the nuance or

798
00:43:02,813 --> 00:43:05,652
Speaker 2: both sides of the subject, and very easy for manipulation

799
00:43:05,733 --> 00:43:11,453
Speaker 2: emotional a motion norm manipulation in sixty per second clips

800
00:43:11,933 --> 00:43:14,973
Speaker 2: on YouTube? But mean I mean in YouTube's another one.

801
00:43:14,973 --> 00:43:17,173
Speaker 2: I mean people don't watch anything over eight minutes on YouTube.

802
00:43:17,173 --> 00:43:19,533
Speaker 3: Well, the shorts they are taking off, aren't they in

803
00:43:19,613 --> 00:43:21,333
Speaker 3: terms of and I think the shorts are they designed

804
00:43:21,333 --> 00:43:22,373
Speaker 3: to be under a minute?

805
00:43:22,773 --> 00:43:23,013
Speaker 4: Yeah?

806
00:43:23,053 --> 00:43:23,773
Speaker 3: I believe they are.

807
00:43:23,853 --> 00:43:26,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, the shorts were designed to compete with TikTok as

808
00:43:26,493 --> 00:43:29,333
Speaker 2: well reels with Instagram, so addictive and as we've talked

809
00:43:29,333 --> 00:43:31,613
Speaker 2: about on the show before that, you know, spending time

810
00:43:31,653 --> 00:43:35,212
Speaker 2: on reels, TikTok or YouTube shorts.

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00:43:34,973 --> 00:43:38,333
Speaker 4: Is basically a raising your brain. Yeah, basically you're making yourself.

812
00:43:38,093 --> 00:43:40,373
Speaker 2: Dumber and more miserable as you doom scroll through that

813
00:43:40,453 --> 00:43:43,293
Speaker 2: absolute rubbish. So are you finding it harder to sit

814
00:43:43,373 --> 00:43:46,213
Speaker 2: down and read a book or to sit down and

815
00:43:46,253 --> 00:43:50,693
Speaker 2: read long form articles that go through all the issues

816
00:43:50,693 --> 00:43:55,093
Speaker 2: on a given topic. There's a decades long research that

817
00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:58,133
Speaker 2: has found that the average person's attention span for a

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00:43:58,213 --> 00:43:58,973
Speaker 2: single screen.

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00:43:59,933 --> 00:44:00,853
Speaker 4: So that's how they do it.

820
00:44:01,213 --> 00:44:02,813
Speaker 2: There's a way that they test it and how long

821
00:44:02,853 --> 00:44:04,493
Speaker 2: people can do it they don't know they're being tested for.

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00:44:04,533 --> 00:44:07,453
Speaker 2: It is down to forty seven seconds by the start

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00:44:07,453 --> 00:44:10,133
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three. That's down from two point five

824
00:44:10,533 --> 00:44:13,212
Speaker 2: minutes in two thousand and four. So you can only

825
00:44:13,253 --> 00:44:17,013
Speaker 2: assume between twenty twenty three and now that the average

826
00:44:17,013 --> 00:44:18,933
Speaker 2: attentions fan has slipped.

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00:44:19,573 --> 00:44:21,293
Speaker 4: So we've got to the point where.

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00:44:22,533 --> 00:44:25,013
Speaker 2: Doom scrolling through one minute videos is going to become

829
00:44:25,053 --> 00:44:25,853
Speaker 2: too much for people.

830
00:44:27,013 --> 00:44:28,653
Speaker 3: I mean, you get to a point where TikTok is

831
00:44:28,693 --> 00:44:29,173
Speaker 3: too much.

832
00:44:29,253 --> 00:44:32,373
Speaker 2: Well you see this when you you know, people can't

833
00:44:32,413 --> 00:44:35,293
Speaker 2: even watch a feature film anymore. People can't sit and

834
00:44:35,373 --> 00:44:38,133
Speaker 2: watch a feature film or without double screening it and

835
00:44:38,133 --> 00:44:38,973
Speaker 2: getting on their phones.

836
00:44:39,613 --> 00:44:42,292
Speaker 4: So good luck trying to read a novel. And yet

837
00:44:42,293 --> 00:44:43,293
Speaker 4: some of the most.

838
00:44:43,693 --> 00:44:48,493
Speaker 2: Meaningful experiences in your life come from reading novels or

839
00:44:48,853 --> 00:44:53,053
Speaker 2: long form nonfiction books. Absolutely life change in getting to

840
00:44:53,053 --> 00:44:55,252
Speaker 2: know a subject or know the characters in a book.

841
00:44:55,293 --> 00:44:57,212
Speaker 2: And one of the great reasons, one of the reasons

842
00:44:57,253 --> 00:44:59,252
Speaker 2: why reading is so good for your brain is because

843
00:44:59,293 --> 00:45:00,733
Speaker 2: you not only have to read, but you have to

844
00:45:00,773 --> 00:45:04,533
Speaker 2: imagine and comprehend everything that's happening in the book. So

845
00:45:04,613 --> 00:45:07,893
Speaker 2: it gauges your brain in a way that watching things

846
00:45:07,933 --> 00:45:10,293
Speaker 2: just does. I mean, you go into a vegetative state

847
00:45:10,333 --> 00:45:13,293
Speaker 2: where you've just got stuff coming in as opposed to

848
00:45:13,413 --> 00:45:13,933
Speaker 2: the way.

849
00:45:13,733 --> 00:45:15,293
Speaker 4: That you have to process it with a book. So

850
00:45:15,493 --> 00:45:17,253
Speaker 4: it's a massive disaster for.

851
00:45:17,213 --> 00:45:22,813
Speaker 2: The intelligence levels of our country if people do not

852
00:45:22,893 --> 00:45:24,973
Speaker 2: have the attention span to read anymore.

853
00:45:24,693 --> 00:45:27,613
Speaker 3: The theater of the mind. Absolutely, But I've got to say, mate,

854
00:45:27,613 --> 00:45:29,413
Speaker 3: so when you go to bed, you've got your reading

855
00:45:29,453 --> 00:45:31,533
Speaker 3: time to you and your partner Tracy, you both have

856
00:45:31,653 --> 00:45:34,413
Speaker 3: dedicated reading time or do you set out space for

857
00:45:34,453 --> 00:45:35,893
Speaker 3: it or you just pick up a book whenever you

858
00:45:35,893 --> 00:45:38,693
Speaker 3: get a at a spare time and we'll read wherever.

859
00:45:38,853 --> 00:45:40,573
Speaker 3: I mean you have scared. Do you have scheduled times?

860
00:45:40,613 --> 00:45:42,853
Speaker 3: Will you say, right, this is my reading time because

861
00:45:42,893 --> 00:45:44,133
Speaker 3: I relect before bed.

862
00:45:45,053 --> 00:45:47,333
Speaker 2: I read before bed, But I read if I wake

863
00:45:47,413 --> 00:45:48,773
Speaker 2: up in the middle of the night, and if I

864
00:45:48,813 --> 00:45:51,093
Speaker 2: get a second to read, I get so excited. I

865
00:45:51,133 --> 00:45:54,453
Speaker 2: grab my kindle and I sit down and read.

866
00:45:54,493 --> 00:45:55,253
Speaker 4: I just love reading.

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Speaker 2: I think I've got a learning problem where I'm I

868
00:45:58,773 --> 00:46:02,573
Speaker 2: just have an insatiable desire to read and ingest information.

869
00:46:02,693 --> 00:46:05,013
Speaker 4: That's a good problem to have, Well maybe, oh, I

870
00:46:05,053 --> 00:46:07,053
Speaker 4: mean it just means that you repeat that boring information

871
00:46:07,093 --> 00:46:09,213
Speaker 4: to people constantly and bore the crap out of your kids.

872
00:46:09,253 --> 00:46:11,812
Speaker 3: Do you ever get distracted though while you're reading, is there?

873
00:46:11,973 --> 00:46:13,333
Speaker 3: You know you might? You might read a couple of

874
00:46:13,813 --> 00:46:16,373
Speaker 3: chapters and you think, I wonder what's happening on social media?

875
00:46:17,053 --> 00:46:19,413
Speaker 2: Or you're reading and then U realis you've been reading

876
00:46:19,453 --> 00:46:21,293
Speaker 2: for a chapter and you've been thinking about something else

877
00:46:21,333 --> 00:46:23,333
Speaker 2: at the same time. Yeah, and so you've been running

878
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Speaker 2: two parts of your brain. This is really interesting. I've

879
00:46:27,453 --> 00:46:30,573
Speaker 2: just gone back to relief teaching since this text in

880
00:46:30,653 --> 00:46:32,853
Speaker 2: New Zealand primary schools after ten years out of teaching.

881
00:46:32,893 --> 00:46:35,172
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, the difference in the attention spans of kids

882
00:46:35,253 --> 00:46:39,413
Speaker 2: is quite frankly astonishing. Attention spans seem much much shorter now,

883
00:46:39,493 --> 00:46:42,333
Speaker 2: and therefore literacy and math activities need to be short, sharper,

884
00:46:42,333 --> 00:46:45,013
Speaker 2: and completed in around half the time I was used

885
00:46:45,053 --> 00:46:48,652
Speaker 2: to teaching a decade ago. Physical activities are necessarily many

886
00:46:48,653 --> 00:46:51,453
Speaker 2: more times during the day to keep the kids on track. Also,

887
00:46:51,493 --> 00:46:55,413
Speaker 2: attention to detail edges, spelling, punctuation, et cetera is generally

888
00:46:55,533 --> 00:46:58,213
Speaker 2: much less important to the kids. It feels like something

889
00:46:58,293 --> 00:47:01,293
Speaker 2: very important has changed in the school environments regards a

890
00:47:01,373 --> 00:47:02,333
Speaker 2: returning teacher.

891
00:47:02,533 --> 00:47:05,613
Speaker 3: That is frightening, and this article was so mentions a

892
00:47:05,653 --> 00:47:11,053
Speaker 3: professor and university professor Bate So he used to teach

893
00:47:11,493 --> 00:47:14,453
Speaker 3: their students will get them to read Bleak House ten

894
00:47:14,533 --> 00:47:16,893
Speaker 3: years ago, but he said to this article he would

895
00:47:16,973 --> 00:47:19,773
Speaker 3: not attempt it today, partly because of constant pressure from

896
00:47:19,893 --> 00:47:23,453
Speaker 3: university deans to assign less and less reading, and partly

897
00:47:23,493 --> 00:47:27,573
Speaker 3: because the university students simply won't read it. A multiple

898
00:47:27,653 --> 00:47:30,813
Speaker 3: surve as young people describe reading as boring and mature.

899
00:47:31,413 --> 00:47:32,212
Speaker 3: How sad is that?

900
00:47:32,373 --> 00:47:36,292
Speaker 2: I mean it's probably been a subject as old as time.

901
00:47:36,413 --> 00:47:39,893
Speaker 2: I mean when I was doing English at university, the

902
00:47:40,253 --> 00:47:42,173
Speaker 2: amount of books we had to read was pretty punishing.

903
00:47:42,213 --> 00:47:42,293
Speaker 18: You know.

904
00:47:42,333 --> 00:47:44,893
Speaker 4: I often turn up tutories not having read the books.

905
00:47:45,093 --> 00:47:46,013
Speaker 3: I bet it with authors.

906
00:47:46,533 --> 00:47:48,373
Speaker 4: What are they call it? The cheap books?

907
00:47:48,573 --> 00:47:48,812
Speaker 17: Yeah?

908
00:47:48,813 --> 00:47:49,413
Speaker 3: That's right?

909
00:47:49,573 --> 00:47:49,812
Speaker 7: Yeah?

910
00:47:49,893 --> 00:47:50,573
Speaker 3: Yeah?

911
00:47:50,573 --> 00:47:50,732
Speaker 9: Oh.

912
00:47:50,733 --> 00:47:53,533
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty eighty is the number to call. What

913
00:47:53,573 --> 00:47:55,493
Speaker 3: does reading look like in your house? Do you still

914
00:47:55,493 --> 00:47:57,652
Speaker 3: make it a priority to read to your children? Or

915
00:47:57,693 --> 00:47:59,933
Speaker 3: did you when they were growing up love to hear

916
00:47:59,973 --> 00:48:03,413
Speaker 3: from you? And do you think this decline in reading

917
00:48:03,533 --> 00:48:05,373
Speaker 3: is making us all a little bit stupid?

918
00:48:06,013 --> 00:48:08,292
Speaker 2: But I will say Bleak House is a fantastic book.

919
00:48:08,453 --> 00:48:11,173
Speaker 2: I mean it may have been written in mid eighteen eighteen,

920
00:48:11,453 --> 00:48:14,173
Speaker 2: eighteen fifty three. I think it was written. But Bleak

921
00:48:14,213 --> 00:48:17,373
Speaker 2: House is just such a great look into just the

922
00:48:17,453 --> 00:48:22,853
Speaker 2: ridiculousness of bureaucracy that that is. So it makes sense today. Yeah,

923
00:48:22,973 --> 00:48:25,733
Speaker 2: when you read that block, it's like you're describing, you know,

924
00:48:25,773 --> 00:48:28,252
Speaker 2: the punishing red tape that exists today.

925
00:48:28,293 --> 00:48:30,172
Speaker 3: I'll put it on my list. Oh eight hundred eighty

926
00:48:30,213 --> 00:48:32,533
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. It is fourteen

927
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Speaker 3: past two. You're listening to Matt and Tyler Beck very shortly.

928
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Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

929
00:48:40,053 --> 00:48:43,333
Speaker 1: afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty us.

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Speaker 12: Talk said, be.

931
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Speaker 3: For a good afternoon to you. We are talking about reading.

932
00:48:47,813 --> 00:48:50,213
Speaker 3: It's on the decline around the world and all ages,

933
00:48:50,333 --> 00:48:53,573
Speaker 3: all genders. So what does reading look like in your household? Oh,

934
00:48:53,573 --> 00:48:55,533
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

935
00:48:55,893 --> 00:48:59,692
Speaker 3: Some good text coming from nine two ninety two as well.

936
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Speaker 2: Since machines have stolen our attention spans, it's probably good

937
00:49:02,533 --> 00:49:04,333
Speaker 2: that they're going to take over driving as well.

938
00:49:06,173 --> 00:49:07,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good care.

939
00:49:07,453 --> 00:49:09,773
Speaker 2: This is why I listen to long form podcast direct

940
00:49:09,773 --> 00:49:14,733
Speaker 2: from the politicians or unbiased podcasts yeah, I mean, that's

941
00:49:14,813 --> 00:49:16,973
Speaker 2: that's true. That is an interesting pushback on it. So

942
00:49:17,173 --> 00:49:19,973
Speaker 2: we're talking about these shrinking attention spans and now it's

943
00:49:19,973 --> 00:49:23,733
Speaker 2: blow forty five seconds, and yet long form podcasts are.

944
00:49:24,173 --> 00:49:25,453
Speaker 4: Exploding taking off.

945
00:49:25,613 --> 00:49:25,813
Speaker 7: Yeah.

946
00:49:25,893 --> 00:49:28,773
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that is an interesting flip on that, isn't it.

947
00:49:28,853 --> 00:49:29,013
Speaker 8: Yeah?

948
00:49:29,053 --> 00:49:31,573
Speaker 3: I mean Joe Rogan and The Diary of the CEO

949
00:49:31,773 --> 00:49:33,893
Speaker 3: number one around the world, millions and millions of listeners,

950
00:49:33,893 --> 00:49:37,213
Speaker 3: and they're about two hours long. Oh, one hundred and

951
00:49:37,213 --> 00:49:41,253
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Alwen? How

952
00:49:41,293 --> 00:49:41,613
Speaker 3: are you?

953
00:49:42,693 --> 00:49:44,293
Speaker 7: Hey? Are you doing good? Thanks to you? Very good

954
00:49:44,733 --> 00:49:48,293
Speaker 7: but disconcerting to come on after a pool well end,

955
00:49:48,413 --> 00:49:49,813
Speaker 7: but I'll do my best.

956
00:49:50,213 --> 00:49:53,172
Speaker 4: It's good stuff. Yeah, we'll send you that. Yeah, we'll

957
00:49:53,173 --> 00:49:53,692
Speaker 4: send you something.

958
00:49:54,893 --> 00:49:55,053
Speaker 7: Now.

959
00:49:55,053 --> 00:49:56,853
Speaker 3: You're a good man to chat to one because you've

960
00:49:56,853 --> 00:49:59,613
Speaker 3: been in education for some time and you she wrote

961
00:49:59,613 --> 00:50:01,533
Speaker 3: a book about reading to your kids, is that right?

962
00:50:02,533 --> 00:50:06,652
Speaker 7: Well, it's a it's more a booklet. And you know,

963
00:50:07,853 --> 00:50:10,212
Speaker 7: when I when I was growing up, my family were

964
00:50:10,453 --> 00:50:13,692
Speaker 7: pretty poor and I cannot recall having more than one

965
00:50:13,733 --> 00:50:17,493
Speaker 7: or two books. And then I sort of as got

966
00:50:18,013 --> 00:50:22,133
Speaker 7: my late teens, I came across a family who were

967
00:50:22,173 --> 00:50:24,893
Speaker 7: real role models for me. And one of the things

968
00:50:24,973 --> 00:50:27,493
Speaker 7: that I learned from them was to sit on the

969
00:50:27,533 --> 00:50:31,172
Speaker 7: couch and read my kids every night. Now, that was

970
00:50:31,533 --> 00:50:35,013
Speaker 7: probably from when they were two to when they were fourteen,

971
00:50:36,093 --> 00:50:40,453
Speaker 7: and they've all done The three of them have done

972
00:50:40,573 --> 00:50:42,893
Speaker 7: extremely well academically, and I would have liked to have

973
00:50:42,973 --> 00:50:46,333
Speaker 7: thought that that was because of the genetics that I provided.

974
00:50:47,933 --> 00:50:50,413
Speaker 7: But they were sitting around one day and someone said

975
00:50:50,453 --> 00:50:52,773
Speaker 7: to them, how come you guys do well? And my daughter,

976
00:50:52,853 --> 00:50:57,133
Speaker 7: the youngest one has now got a really good PhD.

977
00:50:57,333 --> 00:50:59,773
Speaker 7: She said, well, you know, the only thing dad ever

978
00:50:59,893 --> 00:51:03,013
Speaker 7: did right when we were growing up was his head

979
00:51:03,053 --> 00:51:06,733
Speaker 7: on the couch and read to us. And you know,

980
00:51:06,773 --> 00:51:13,173
Speaker 7: it's got slightly, but it's true. And so there's some

981
00:51:13,213 --> 00:51:18,373
Speaker 7: of the things that you've talked about already. We tend

982
00:51:18,413 --> 00:51:21,413
Speaker 7: to think of reading as something as a skill, like

983
00:51:21,493 --> 00:51:24,293
Speaker 7: you learn to ride a bike, but the reason that

984
00:51:24,333 --> 00:51:26,253
Speaker 7: you learn to ride a bike is to go cycling.

985
00:51:27,053 --> 00:51:31,293
Speaker 7: And reading as a skill is a good thing to have,

986
00:51:31,813 --> 00:51:33,813
Speaker 7: but actually the only reason you should have it is

987
00:51:33,853 --> 00:51:38,373
Speaker 7: so that you read. Now, I would think that approximately

988
00:51:38,373 --> 00:51:40,573
Speaker 7: one hundred percent of parents in New Zealand want their

989
00:51:40,653 --> 00:51:45,093
Speaker 7: children to do well. It's school to sit and to

990
00:51:45,493 --> 00:51:48,093
Speaker 7: read to them, and even from an early age, you

991
00:51:48,133 --> 00:51:53,213
Speaker 7: read it their cognitive level, not their skill level, because

992
00:51:53,293 --> 00:51:56,173
Speaker 7: kids can understand the story long before they can access

993
00:51:56,173 --> 00:52:02,813
Speaker 7: it themselves. So I was a very young father and

994
00:52:03,173 --> 00:52:06,893
Speaker 7: well by modern standards. So that's probably about twenty five

995
00:52:06,893 --> 00:52:09,213
Speaker 7: where my first son was born. And when he was

996
00:52:10,293 --> 00:52:12,652
Speaker 7: just before three, we'd finished a book and I said,

997
00:52:12,773 --> 00:52:15,773
Speaker 7: don't use another one, and he came back with the

998
00:52:15,813 --> 00:52:22,453
Speaker 7: Lord of the Rings. And I really struggled. You know,

999
00:52:22,453 --> 00:52:25,253
Speaker 7: I'm not sure, but I'll tell you what. If you

1000
00:52:25,573 --> 00:52:27,652
Speaker 7: can tell me what happened the day before, I'll keep

1001
00:52:27,653 --> 00:52:34,053
Speaker 7: reading it. So eight months later we finished and no

1002
00:52:34,533 --> 00:52:36,533
Speaker 7: sort of thing. And of course then two years later

1003
00:52:36,573 --> 00:52:40,533
Speaker 7: his little brother wanted it read. Two years later sister

1004
00:52:40,573 --> 00:52:43,293
Speaker 7: wanted it read. So I read it out thered three times.

1005
00:52:45,213 --> 00:52:47,493
Speaker 7: The worst thing about that was when Peter Jackson did

1006
00:52:47,493 --> 00:52:51,813
Speaker 7: the movie. My kids were evid fans and came back

1007
00:52:51,853 --> 00:52:53,333
Speaker 7: to me and said, why did you pronounce all the

1008
00:52:53,413 --> 00:52:53,893
Speaker 7: names wrong?

1009
00:52:55,853 --> 00:52:56,213
Speaker 3: Mistake?

1010
00:52:56,373 --> 00:52:58,413
Speaker 2: Well, I tell you the other thing that weren't reading

1011
00:52:58,493 --> 00:53:02,053
Speaker 2: because I read heavily to my kids, read the Hobbit,

1012
00:53:02,493 --> 00:53:04,133
Speaker 2: didn't do The Lord of the Rings, but read all

1013
00:53:04,133 --> 00:53:05,893
Speaker 2: the Harry Potters.

1014
00:53:05,493 --> 00:53:08,173
Speaker 4: All the all the ral dows heaps.

1015
00:53:08,493 --> 00:53:10,133
Speaker 2: But but you know what would happen is I'd going

1016
00:53:10,173 --> 00:53:13,133
Speaker 2: to read to my kids and then wake up four

1017
00:53:13,133 --> 00:53:13,893
Speaker 2: hours later.

1018
00:53:13,693 --> 00:53:16,933
Speaker 4: And I'll be sleep on the side of the bed

1019
00:53:17,173 --> 00:53:22,013
Speaker 4: and There'll be asleep. I was like, what happened? So

1020
00:53:22,013 --> 00:53:23,413
Speaker 4: it was more not getting through.

1021
00:53:24,373 --> 00:53:28,172
Speaker 7: But you're sitting these te kids on accounts you talk

1022
00:53:28,253 --> 00:53:32,933
Speaker 7: about stuff. It's just the most brilliant time. Yeah, And

1023
00:53:33,373 --> 00:53:37,013
Speaker 7: I think you know, if if you choose to have

1024
00:53:37,053 --> 00:53:41,053
Speaker 7: a child, and obviously it's something accidentally, but let's say

1025
00:53:41,053 --> 00:53:45,093
Speaker 7: that's a choice, then you want to do the best.

1026
00:53:45,333 --> 00:53:50,212
Speaker 7: And I think your topic is amazing because pretty much

1027
00:53:50,293 --> 00:53:52,893
Speaker 7: the very best thing you can do academically for your

1028
00:53:52,973 --> 00:53:55,493
Speaker 7: children and in terms of their brain development is to

1029
00:53:55,533 --> 00:53:59,093
Speaker 7: read to them and then encourage them to read, and

1030
00:53:59,133 --> 00:54:02,213
Speaker 7: they learn all sorts of things about characters. You know,

1031
00:54:02,333 --> 00:54:07,213
Speaker 7: Tom Sawyer too, obviously, the Hobbits to whoever. And in

1032
00:54:07,253 --> 00:54:11,013
Speaker 7: that little book that I well, i'll get it republished

1033
00:54:11,013 --> 00:54:14,733
Speaker 7: this year, I think, but it has a list of

1034
00:54:14,773 --> 00:54:16,973
Speaker 7: books that you can't go wrong with.

1035
00:54:18,053 --> 00:54:19,812
Speaker 2: Now, what do you say to people that are coming

1036
00:54:19,853 --> 00:54:22,573
Speaker 2: through saying, well, you're reading on your phone and there's

1037
00:54:22,613 --> 00:54:24,413
Speaker 2: lots of reading now, In fact that some people saying

1038
00:54:24,413 --> 00:54:27,573
Speaker 2: I always have the subtitles on when I'm watching Netflix,

1039
00:54:27,853 --> 00:54:31,093
Speaker 2: I'm reading as I watch. You know, what is it

1040
00:54:31,133 --> 00:54:34,773
Speaker 2: about reading a book that is more important than just

1041
00:54:35,013 --> 00:54:39,133
Speaker 2: reading off your phone or reading social media posts, etc.

1042
00:54:40,253 --> 00:54:43,453
Speaker 7: Yeah. I think one of the really big things is

1043
00:54:44,173 --> 00:54:49,053
Speaker 7: is the idea of a genuine narrative. So great movies.

1044
00:54:48,853 --> 00:54:49,573
Speaker 17: Fit as well.

1045
00:54:50,133 --> 00:54:52,093
Speaker 7: You know. I love the Last of the Maicons and

1046
00:54:52,133 --> 00:54:55,693
Speaker 7: my kids adoored it. But in all sorts of movies.

1047
00:54:55,733 --> 00:54:59,133
Speaker 7: So it's that thing where you sit and maybe it

1048
00:54:59,173 --> 00:55:02,813
Speaker 7: takes two hours to get through something and you have

1049
00:55:02,853 --> 00:55:05,093
Speaker 7: to pay attention and you get used to sitting there

1050
00:55:05,093 --> 00:55:07,733
Speaker 7: and that sort of thing. But sometimes you read a

1051
00:55:07,733 --> 00:55:10,853
Speaker 7: book like I don't want to go kind of too far,

1052
00:55:10,933 --> 00:55:14,133
Speaker 7: but I loved reading War and Peace. I haven't been

1053
00:55:14,173 --> 00:55:16,373
Speaker 7: able to read it twice because it's it's heavy.

1054
00:55:17,933 --> 00:55:19,973
Speaker 4: Did you when I read War and Peace?

1055
00:55:20,013 --> 00:55:22,413
Speaker 2: I just got totally confused because the names change all

1056
00:55:22,413 --> 00:55:23,133
Speaker 2: the way through the book.

1057
00:55:23,533 --> 00:55:27,453
Speaker 7: That's that's a huge part of it. Probably as so

1058
00:55:27,573 --> 00:55:29,692
Speaker 7: many pages to kind of go who's that kind? I

1059
00:55:29,693 --> 00:55:33,133
Speaker 7: have to keep going back with the court. But boy,

1060
00:55:33,173 --> 00:55:34,973
Speaker 7: at the end of the book, you just go how,

1061
00:55:35,133 --> 00:55:37,053
Speaker 7: the same with the same with Tolkien, you know, The

1062
00:55:37,053 --> 00:55:40,013
Speaker 7: Lord of the Rings. How on earth does a human

1063
00:55:40,093 --> 00:55:47,013
Speaker 7: being create a story like this? And your your view

1064
00:55:47,093 --> 00:55:53,413
Speaker 7: of humanity is elevated, And that's that's really important. I

1065
00:55:53,453 --> 00:55:56,333
Speaker 7: think Isabella Len, you know, writing out of South America,

1066
00:55:56,813 --> 00:56:00,293
Speaker 7: some of her books, you just go, how on the

1067
00:56:00,293 --> 00:56:04,013
Speaker 7: next one? Write knowledgeably and it makes you feel good

1068
00:56:04,013 --> 00:56:04,933
Speaker 7: about being a human.

1069
00:56:05,133 --> 00:56:08,293
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, just that excitement that you'd instilled in sure

1070
00:56:08,373 --> 00:56:10,093
Speaker 3: ldren if you read to them on a regular basis.

1071
00:56:10,093 --> 00:56:12,293
Speaker 3: But that excitement of going home to get back into

1072
00:56:12,333 --> 00:56:13,973
Speaker 3: the book because you're right in the middle of it

1073
00:56:14,213 --> 00:56:18,172
Speaker 3: and you're completely in that world and you cannot wait

1074
00:56:18,213 --> 00:56:21,333
Speaker 3: to start the next chapter again, that's a phenomenal feeling.

1075
00:56:21,413 --> 00:56:23,453
Speaker 3: It's a lovely feeling you get. I get far more

1076
00:56:23,493 --> 00:56:24,853
Speaker 3: from that than I ever get from movies.

1077
00:56:24,853 --> 00:56:25,613
Speaker 4: And I love movies.

1078
00:56:26,373 --> 00:56:28,253
Speaker 3: But I wonder if some you know, some kids with

1079
00:56:28,333 --> 00:56:30,213
Speaker 3: the decline of reading and missing out on that feeling.

1080
00:56:31,293 --> 00:56:34,692
Speaker 7: Yeah, and they don't need to look. I taught I

1081
00:56:34,693 --> 00:56:36,413
Speaker 7: taught it tudo. I've always how much from boys Saint

1082
00:56:36,453 --> 00:56:39,692
Speaker 7: Authbets and then I sort of started three schools. Even

1083
00:56:39,733 --> 00:56:43,813
Speaker 7: though I was teaching economics, accounting, business. I were always

1084
00:56:43,893 --> 00:56:47,773
Speaker 7: in science. I would always read to just ten minutes

1085
00:56:48,613 --> 00:56:52,613
Speaker 7: and we read Hitchhiker's Guy the g We read Dogs

1086
00:56:52,653 --> 00:56:56,053
Speaker 7: by an orth called George McDonald. Russias Lewis said was

1087
00:56:56,133 --> 00:56:59,893
Speaker 7: his master, and they would get to class early to

1088
00:56:59,933 --> 00:57:03,773
Speaker 7: get to that story. And I mean some authors are

1089
00:57:04,093 --> 00:57:07,013
Speaker 7: really annoying. I mean Tolkien and The Lord of the

1090
00:57:07,093 --> 00:57:10,373
Speaker 7: Rings were in you know, significant part of it. He

1091
00:57:10,493 --> 00:57:14,653
Speaker 7: had three narratives going at once and you'd finished one chapter,

1092
00:57:15,213 --> 00:57:17,093
Speaker 7: want to know what's going to happen next, and he

1093
00:57:17,213 --> 00:57:20,933
Speaker 7: changed you to the other narrative and you go, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 7: no no no. I know a couple who read Or

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00:57:25,533 --> 00:57:28,253
Speaker 7: and Peace together because one like the warpart and the

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00:57:28,293 --> 00:57:32,453
Speaker 7: other like the peace part, and they would separate them

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00:57:32,973 --> 00:57:36,493
Speaker 7: update each other. I mean yeah, I mean, I look,

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Speaker 7: I would just encourage every every parent to read it,

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Speaker 7: because even if they're not great readers themselves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh yeah, it's been great chatting with you. We're

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00:57:48,333 --> 00:57:51,053
Speaker 3: going to play some messages, but let us know when

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Speaker 3: you redo the pamphlet. We'd love to get back in

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00:57:54,133 --> 00:57:56,013
Speaker 3: touch and see where people can find there. But great

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00:57:56,013 --> 00:57:57,813
Speaker 3: to chat with you. Oh one hundred and eighty ten

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00:57:57,853 --> 00:57:59,493
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. What has reading look

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00:57:59,573 --> 00:58:01,893
Speaker 3: like in your household? It is twenty five past.

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Speaker 1: Two Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons, Oh, eight hundred

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00:58:09,413 --> 00:58:11,573
Speaker 1: eighty eighty on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Twenty eight past two. We're talking about the decline of

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00:58:13,773 --> 00:58:16,053
Speaker 3: reading across the board. So what does it look like

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00:58:16,093 --> 00:58:18,133
Speaker 3: in your household of one hundred eighty ten Eightyes, and

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00:58:18,133 --> 00:58:18,693
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go out.

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00:58:18,693 --> 00:58:20,373
Speaker 2: There's an article in The Economist saying that we are

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00:58:20,373 --> 00:58:24,573
Speaker 2: getting dumber because we're not reading, and that's sus feedback loop,

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00:58:24,693 --> 00:58:26,373
Speaker 2: because the dumber will get the harder we find it

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Speaker 2: to read.

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Speaker 4: Rob, welcome the show.

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Speaker 12: Yes, how are you very good?

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00:58:33,133 --> 00:58:33,293
Speaker 19: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I'm not so good. I've got a bit of a cold,

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Speaker 8: but at least I've got a first milking off of

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00:58:37,293 --> 00:58:39,613
Speaker 8: the year, so it's a good time to relatively good

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Speaker 8: time to have a cold.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep. That is success, mate. So what's your take

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Speaker 3: about reading?

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Speaker 19: About reading?

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00:58:45,293 --> 00:58:48,133
Speaker 8: I think it's been the emphasized unfortunately. I think the

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00:58:48,173 --> 00:58:53,213
Speaker 8: obsession of technology, especially at primary school level and now

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Speaker 8: so we disparage there's no effort to me to get

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00:58:56,493 --> 00:58:59,773
Speaker 8: young people to read newspapers, and yet it's very rewarding,

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00:58:59,853 --> 00:59:02,933
Speaker 8: especially with memory retention. You know, I've just been for

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00:59:03,013 --> 00:59:05,693
Speaker 8: the past that I've been reading sort of the weekend

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00:59:05,773 --> 00:59:08,093
Speaker 8: here and a few of the rural publications, and you know,

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Speaker 8: it's and then there's often there were memory prase of

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Speaker 8: what you've read.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my dad used to read the newspaper from them,

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Speaker 4: from cover to cover.

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Speaker 8: I used to do back sort of when there was

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00:59:21,813 --> 00:59:24,253
Speaker 8: the hell was a bit more quality than it is now.

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Speaker 8: We're get in fat when it come in from the

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00:59:28,013 --> 00:59:29,733
Speaker 8: in for lunchtime. It was a bit of a contest

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00:59:29,773 --> 00:59:32,093
Speaker 8: to see who could who would read the Herald first.

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00:59:32,693 --> 00:59:36,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rob, we're just giving us some some echo from

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00:59:36,453 --> 00:59:39,893
Speaker 3: your phone there, but hopefully that will come right. We

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00:59:39,933 --> 00:59:41,853
Speaker 3: won't come back to you, but thank you very much, Rob.

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Speaker 3: And that is a big thing, you know, as you say,

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00:59:43,973 --> 00:59:45,693
Speaker 3: your old man reading it cover to cover and he'd

1148
00:59:45,693 --> 00:59:47,813
Speaker 3: have his time, right. It evers week coffee and say, kids,

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00:59:47,893 --> 00:59:50,653
Speaker 3: leave me alone, I'm reading the newspaper and every single path.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's telling that now when you go

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00:59:52,173 --> 00:59:54,733
Speaker 2: to a you know, online, it tells you how long

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00:59:54,773 --> 00:59:56,693
Speaker 2: the article is, like it's a warning, don't worry this

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00:59:56,773 --> 01:00:00,653
Speaker 2: is only four minutes this article, and it's like, come on,

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01:00:01,253 --> 01:00:04,213
Speaker 2: just read it doesn't matter how long it is. You

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01:00:04,333 --> 01:00:06,933
Speaker 2: that Lane knew that you're not willing to embark on

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01:00:06,973 --> 01:00:08,733
Speaker 2: an article if you noticed that it's too long.

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01:00:08,813 --> 01:00:10,013
Speaker 3: How long have I got? I've got three and a

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01:00:10,013 --> 01:00:12,253
Speaker 3: half minutes. No, so I'm not reading that. One oh

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01:00:12,253 --> 01:00:14,453
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: How much reading are you doing in your household? Is

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01:00:17,053 --> 01:00:19,573
Speaker 3: it still a priority to read to your kids? Love

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Speaker 3: to hear from you, And what are you reading?

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01:00:21,253 --> 01:00:23,773
Speaker 2: I have an intelligent, wealthy uncle, but he almost takes

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01:00:23,813 --> 01:00:25,893
Speaker 2: pride in the saying he hasn't read a.

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Speaker 4: Book since high school. I'm like, don't tell anyone that

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01:00:28,573 --> 01:00:29,213
Speaker 4: that's embarrassing.

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01:00:29,333 --> 01:00:30,133
Speaker 3: That is embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: I've quite a few people in my life that go,

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Speaker 4: never read a book, Never read a book.

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Speaker 3: Is it something to be proud of? It's kind of

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01:00:36,053 --> 01:00:36,773
Speaker 3: a weird flex.

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Speaker 2: Well, they are the kind of person where you go, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you never read a book.

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Speaker 4: You never read a book, buddy love, Yeah, but you've

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01:00:44,573 --> 01:00:45,173
Speaker 4: never read a book.

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Speaker 3: Headlight's coming up.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, And we are talking about reading.

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Speaker 3: An article in the Economist is the decline of reading

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01:02:12,933 --> 01:02:16,333
Speaker 3: making us a dumber and politics dumber? And it appears

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01:02:16,333 --> 01:02:18,533
Speaker 3: according to this article, absolutely it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it refers to that article to bleak House,

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01:02:22,573 --> 01:02:25,813
Speaker 2: the eighteen fifty three novel by Charles Dickens, and this

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01:02:25,933 --> 01:02:28,733
Speaker 2: Texas says, I do way more audible when driving. Does

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01:02:28,733 --> 01:02:31,453
Speaker 2: that count the same as reading? That's from Katrina in Southland.

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01:02:31,853 --> 01:02:33,653
Speaker 2: That's an interesting one. I do a lot of listen

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01:02:33,693 --> 01:02:36,013
Speaker 2: to audible as well, and it's a different experience, but

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01:02:36,253 --> 01:02:38,453
Speaker 2: I think it is. It is great for you. But

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01:02:38,733 --> 01:02:40,693
Speaker 2: you've got to remember with those Charles Dickens books that

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01:02:40,693 --> 01:02:42,853
Speaker 2: they're referring, they were written to be read out in

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01:02:42,893 --> 01:02:44,893
Speaker 2: pubs and bars. So when a new part, when a

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01:02:44,893 --> 01:02:47,133
Speaker 2: new part of the book came out, it'd be advertised

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01:02:47,133 --> 01:02:49,573
Speaker 2: all over town that they were going to be read

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Speaker 2: in this bar tonight. So Charles Dickens actually wrote those

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01:02:52,373 --> 01:02:54,693
Speaker 2: books to be read out loud, perfect for audible, so

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Speaker 2: that'd be great.

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Speaker 4: Readers.

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Speaker 2: People's job would be to read books and bars and

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01:02:58,213 --> 01:03:01,333
Speaker 2: people would pack in to hear the latest few chapters

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Speaker 2: from Charles Dickens. They're back, so yeah, that's what they

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01:03:04,653 --> 01:03:06,533
Speaker 2: were meant to be done, how they were meant to

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Speaker 2: be done.

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Speaker 4: Jeremy, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 19: Thanks sad. How are we?

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01:03:12,413 --> 01:03:12,613
Speaker 7: Yeah?

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01:03:12,733 --> 01:03:13,133
Speaker 3: Very good?

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Speaker 19: Good? Good? Are you? Good? Job? Great topic. You've guilted

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Speaker 19: me and going home and reading to the kids, So job,

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01:03:21,133 --> 01:03:24,653
Speaker 19: well played, well played. I've been sucked in for the

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01:03:24,733 --> 01:03:27,173
Speaker 19: last couple of years into the old social media doom

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01:03:27,173 --> 01:03:30,613
Speaker 19: scrolling as you call it, and just recently I've had

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Speaker 19: to go back and do some study for work and man,

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Speaker 19: I say read probably in the last couple of years, Man,

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Speaker 19: I really struggled to getting back to study and reading,

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Speaker 19: you know, even sort of the lightest content. I'm concentrate.

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Speaker 19: I'd just found my attention spanner is so short, and

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Speaker 19: I put it down to literally just losing concentration because

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01:03:53,253 --> 01:03:56,333
Speaker 19: of doom scrolling social media. I've not really had to

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01:03:56,333 --> 01:03:58,773
Speaker 19: put my mind to anything for any long periods of time.

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Speaker 19: So that's what I've put it down. And I've really

1241
01:04:01,693 --> 01:04:03,933
Speaker 19: struggled to get back into that study here now, but

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Speaker 19: man a hard work.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, as they say, and you're one. Scientists say

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01:04:07,333 --> 01:04:10,933
Speaker 2: that your brain is you know, like a muscle. So

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01:04:10,973 --> 01:04:13,173
Speaker 2: any part of it that you don't use, you know,

1246
01:04:13,213 --> 01:04:16,173
Speaker 2: the resources move away from it. So if you just

1247
01:04:16,253 --> 01:04:18,533
Speaker 2: doom strolling for a long period of time, that's what

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01:04:18,573 --> 01:04:21,413
Speaker 2: your brain puts us resources to and shuts down your

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01:04:21,413 --> 01:04:24,493
Speaker 2: ability to do basic basic maths. I mean, you know

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01:04:24,493 --> 01:04:27,253
Speaker 2: a lot of people are texting through about how they

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01:04:27,253 --> 01:04:28,173
Speaker 2: don't remember.

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01:04:27,853 --> 01:04:29,053
Speaker 4: Any phone numbers anymore.

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01:04:29,333 --> 01:04:31,453
Speaker 2: I mean, so parts of our memory of being shut

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01:04:31,453 --> 01:04:34,453
Speaker 2: down because we don't don't use them.

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Speaker 19: Yeah. I used to read to our first kid. Unfortunately

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Speaker 19: that they can kids probably just put time and all that.

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Speaker 7: Kind of stuff.

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Speaker 19: He doesn't get anywhere near he has read to as much.

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Speaker 19: And I've noticed that, you know, just think there. I

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01:04:45,973 --> 01:04:47,693
Speaker 19: remember when our first kid went to school, he was

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Speaker 19: doing all of his ABC's, you know, counting up to

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01:04:51,373 --> 01:04:54,893
Speaker 19: forty or thirsty or whatever it was, and really switched

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Speaker 19: on our second kid, who has we've read nowhere near

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Speaker 19: as we're still read to him, but nowhere near as

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01:04:59,053 --> 01:05:00,973
Speaker 19: much as what we did with the first kid, and

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01:05:02,093 --> 01:05:05,853
Speaker 19: his level was nowhere near what our first wil was

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Speaker 19: when he went to school. So I definitely put it

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Speaker 19: down to just that extra bit of time you can

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Speaker 19: spend with your kids and reading so that it's going

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Speaker 19: to make such a wortle of difference.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, school as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is a work in progress, though, wasn't a

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Speaker 3: Jeremy like you. I've tried to get back into reading

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01:05:22,573 --> 01:05:24,053
Speaker 3: and trying to read a book at the moment. It's

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01:05:24,053 --> 01:05:26,493
Speaker 3: a great book, but quite heavy. Man's Search for Meaning.

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Speaker 3: It's called by Victor Frankel. But I find myself reading

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Speaker 3: maybe half a page, and then I'll pick up my

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01:05:31,813 --> 01:05:33,533
Speaker 3: phone and just see what's going on in the world,

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01:05:33,773 --> 01:05:36,013
Speaker 3: and then look at myself with self loathing and say, what.

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Speaker 4: Do you doing?

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Speaker 3: Get back to reading, Tyler. But it's just a process.

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01:05:39,213 --> 01:05:41,733
Speaker 3: I've got to just keep retraining the brain to say,

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01:05:41,813 --> 01:05:44,053
Speaker 3: pay attention. You used to be good at reading.

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01:05:44,053 --> 01:05:46,013
Speaker 4: You can be on you on the analogue book or

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01:05:46,013 --> 01:05:47,053
Speaker 4: you're on a kindle.

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01:05:47,253 --> 01:05:49,333
Speaker 3: On a kindle, so that probably doesn't help. I need

1287
01:05:49,333 --> 01:05:50,173
Speaker 3: to get on the old analog.

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01:05:50,213 --> 01:05:51,253
Speaker 4: I don't think the kendle's good.

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01:05:51,893 --> 01:05:53,973
Speaker 2: I mean reading on your phone or your iPad's a

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01:05:53,973 --> 01:05:57,213
Speaker 2: problem with notifications pop up and you get dragged away

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01:05:57,213 --> 01:05:59,413
Speaker 2: from it. Yeah, Hey, thanks so much for call Jeremy.

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01:05:59,453 --> 01:06:00,653
Speaker 2: You get back to reading to your kids.

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01:06:00,653 --> 01:06:00,973
Speaker 4: Good on you.

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01:06:01,093 --> 01:06:02,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, job done on that one.

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01:06:02,973 --> 01:06:07,173
Speaker 2: Hey, of course we're getting dumber, says as Stiff with smartphones.

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01:06:07,213 --> 01:06:09,213
Speaker 2: We don't remember numbers, We don't do maths in our

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01:06:09,253 --> 01:06:12,373
Speaker 2: heads anymore. Our writing is poor because we type now

1298
01:06:12,413 --> 01:06:15,373
Speaker 2: we use AI talk to text and don't even type much.

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01:06:15,413 --> 01:06:18,173
Speaker 2: Skills going down the drain. We read to our kids

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01:06:18,213 --> 01:06:21,373
Speaker 2: every night. Kids love it. Library is free. I don't

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01:06:21,373 --> 01:06:23,893
Speaker 2: read much except for at work on news because I

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01:06:24,013 --> 01:06:27,213
Speaker 2: get too antisocial and won't stop a good book.

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01:06:27,333 --> 01:06:29,333
Speaker 4: Lowell, that's good on you. But how about this from John?

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01:06:29,813 --> 01:06:31,653
Speaker 2: Hi John here, I just want to say, I'm a

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01:06:31,693 --> 01:06:36,893
Speaker 2: wealthy tradesman taking risk in life. Never ever have I

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01:06:36,933 --> 01:06:39,533
Speaker 2: read a book in my life. I'm now retired, I'm

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Speaker 2: a multi millionaire. Then you go, good on you, John.

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Speaker 3: Is that down to the lack of yeah, reading books

1309
01:06:46,213 --> 01:06:47,213
Speaker 3: or just your own determination.

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01:06:47,293 --> 01:06:49,453
Speaker 2: If you're a successful trader, you have to know a lot.

1311
01:06:49,733 --> 01:06:53,133
Speaker 2: So there's different ways you're learning things and engaging your brain. Yeah,

1312
01:06:53,173 --> 01:06:55,573
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of knowledge coming in. Yeah, you

1313
01:06:55,613 --> 01:06:57,693
Speaker 2: know exactly. I mean, you're not just John's not just

1314
01:06:57,693 --> 01:07:02,773
Speaker 2: sitting around doom stole, strolling political clips on TikTok, having

1315
01:07:02,773 --> 01:07:06,893
Speaker 2: his brain erased and whatever message put into his head

1316
01:07:07,333 --> 01:07:08,333
Speaker 2: that serves the algorithm.

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01:07:08,413 --> 01:07:09,573
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a nuance there.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh, e one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1320
01:07:12,133 --> 01:07:14,253
Speaker 3: to call. What is reading look like in your household

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01:07:14,253 --> 01:07:16,533
Speaker 3: at the moment? Are you making a concidered effort to

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01:07:16,533 --> 01:07:18,133
Speaker 3: do more or read to your kids? Love to hear

1323
01:07:18,133 --> 01:07:21,653
Speaker 3: from you? It is twenty to three your home.

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01:07:21,413 --> 01:07:25,653
Speaker 1: Of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, Oh,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk.

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Speaker 3: ZEDB, News Talks EDB. We are talking about the love

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Speaker 3: of reading. It seems well, it actually is on the decline.

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01:07:34,893 --> 01:07:40,053
Speaker 3: Multiple studies show adults, children, teenagers, genders across age groups

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Speaker 3: are reading less and less and less. Would love to

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Speaker 3: hear what happens in your household.

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Speaker 2: I honestly think that every generation is slightly dumber and

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01:07:46,093 --> 01:07:48,293
Speaker 2: softer than the one before. I'm middle aged and my

1333
01:07:48,333 --> 01:07:50,813
Speaker 2: old man is a tougher bugger than me, But criky,

1334
01:07:50,853 --> 01:07:53,653
Speaker 2: this young generation is soft and have no resilience. You

1335
01:07:53,733 --> 01:07:56,493
Speaker 2: have to tiptoe around them. It is interesting though, in

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01:07:56,533 --> 01:07:59,453
Speaker 2: this article and the economists that does talk about, you know,

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01:07:59,933 --> 01:08:03,813
Speaker 2: people complaining about kids not reading right back, and it

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01:08:03,813 --> 01:08:05,293
Speaker 2: goes right back to Charles seconds time.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:08:05,893 --> 01:08:08,453
Speaker 4: People, you know, right through history people have complaining about

1341
01:08:08,453 --> 01:08:10,653
Speaker 4: the generation behind them being too soft and not knowing

1342
01:08:10,773 --> 01:08:11,173
Speaker 4: enough reading.

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01:08:11,213 --> 01:08:13,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, tale as old as time. Oh, eight hundred and

1344
01:08:13,613 --> 01:08:15,293
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you

1345
01:08:15,293 --> 01:08:16,773
Speaker 3: want to send a tax Nine two nine two is

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01:08:16,813 --> 01:08:17,173
Speaker 3: the number.

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01:08:17,452 --> 01:08:20,572
Speaker 4: So welcome to the show. You're an avid reader.

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01:08:21,333 --> 01:08:24,572
Speaker 20: I'm an absolute avid reader. I've actually created a business

1349
01:08:24,572 --> 01:08:28,692
Speaker 20: out of reading. It came when I after a twenty

1350
01:08:28,732 --> 01:08:31,732
Speaker 20: five year bookselling career, what else could I do? And

1351
01:08:31,772 --> 01:08:34,012
Speaker 20: I've seen my fifth you know, in my mid fifties

1352
01:08:34,013 --> 01:08:36,093
Speaker 20: at the time, and what else could I do? So

1353
01:08:36,133 --> 01:08:39,293
Speaker 20: I have created and crafted a business out of reading.

1354
01:08:39,532 --> 01:08:40,372
Speaker 21: And I just love them.

1355
01:08:40,452 --> 01:08:45,572
Speaker 20: We're avid readers. We my husband and I read to

1356
01:08:45,612 --> 01:08:48,732
Speaker 20: our children funnily enough, and they had the choice of

1357
01:08:48,812 --> 01:08:51,733
Speaker 20: any book in the bookstore. But they got to teenageers

1358
01:08:51,772 --> 01:08:54,333
Speaker 20: and they that was how they rebelled. They said, well,

1359
01:08:54,412 --> 01:08:58,492
Speaker 20: mom and dad, we're not going to read anymore. So yeah,

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01:08:58,572 --> 01:09:00,133
Speaker 20: but they've come back round to us.

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01:09:00,213 --> 01:09:02,692
Speaker 2: That what happens, doesn't they rebel, but then they come

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01:09:02,732 --> 01:09:03,932
Speaker 2: background to it, come back.

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01:09:03,853 --> 01:09:06,893
Speaker 20: Ground to it exactly. That's right. And of course we

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01:09:07,093 --> 01:09:11,412
Speaker 20: were always gifting books and things that. Interestingly, I think

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01:09:11,572 --> 01:09:17,972
Speaker 20: male male readers prefer non fiction. So yeah, so that's

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01:09:18,013 --> 01:09:22,693
Speaker 20: a different It tend to like fiction, and my specialty

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01:09:22,853 --> 01:09:25,452
Speaker 20: is for books for book clubs.

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Speaker 7: So I just love it.

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Speaker 20: So it's great. In fact, if my husband says there's

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Speaker 20: something on Netflix and a bit, you know, you want

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01:09:33,333 --> 01:09:36,852
Speaker 20: to binge it, binge watch it. So we don't even

1372
01:09:36,893 --> 01:09:40,253
Speaker 20: wait for ads of these days or wait for the

1373
01:09:40,293 --> 01:09:43,932
Speaker 20: next episode. It cuts across from reading time.

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Speaker 7: So love that.

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Speaker 3: So what are the big books for the book clubs now?

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Speaker 3: Is this still the old classics or is there some modern.

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Speaker 20: No, we always there's wonderful, the new and the shiny

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01:09:57,093 --> 01:10:00,412
Speaker 20: as they call them. We've got and we've got fabulous

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01:10:00,452 --> 01:10:03,932
Speaker 20: authors within New Zealand, and we've got a growing crime

1380
01:10:04,492 --> 01:10:07,492
Speaker 20: crime fiction genre. And one of the biggest books at

1381
01:10:07,532 --> 01:10:11,412
Speaker 20: the moment is Place by Zoe Rankin. So and I

1382
01:10:11,452 --> 01:10:14,812
Speaker 20: was reading the last few chapters on a plane coming

1383
01:10:14,853 --> 01:10:18,372
Speaker 20: into land, and I couldn't turn the pages quick enough.

1384
01:10:18,853 --> 01:10:21,812
Speaker 20: And I've read we landed here, that we landed yet,

1385
01:10:21,893 --> 01:10:28,813
Speaker 20: So no, a real variety, a lot of historical fiction dramas.

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Speaker 20: You learn so much when you read. You learn about

1387
01:10:34,333 --> 01:10:38,372
Speaker 20: you know, I learned recently about the guy Ford landier

1388
01:10:38,572 --> 01:10:42,412
Speaker 20: in South America. I had no idea that Henry Ford

1389
01:10:42,532 --> 01:10:46,292
Speaker 20: had a had a searched for rubber in South America,

1390
01:10:46,492 --> 01:10:49,412
Speaker 20: and you know, to to have a more reliable source

1391
01:10:49,452 --> 01:10:52,892
Speaker 20: for his for his cars and tires. And you learn

1392
01:10:53,013 --> 01:10:55,652
Speaker 20: so much when you read. And so the book clubs

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01:10:55,692 --> 01:10:59,293
Speaker 20: are are such a wide variety. Not so much for

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01:10:59,412 --> 01:11:04,572
Speaker 20: classics these days, although we never dismissed them. And I

1395
01:11:04,973 --> 01:11:07,772
Speaker 20: mix up my reading from the older the book the

1396
01:11:07,812 --> 01:11:11,732
Speaker 20: better times. There's some really great thinkers out there. And

1397
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Speaker 20: you know, I think the classics still have a place,

1398
01:11:16,013 --> 01:11:18,092
Speaker 20: still have a place in curriculum as well.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I've good on your suit. I thanks you call.

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Speaker 4: This is interesting.

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Speaker 2: I'm a seventeen year old currently in year thirteen, and

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01:11:24,532 --> 01:11:27,093
Speaker 2: I've noticed such a difference in my cognitive abilities now

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01:11:27,173 --> 01:11:29,372
Speaker 2: versus when I was reading heaps as a kid. I

1404
01:11:29,412 --> 01:11:31,293
Speaker 2: hate the fact that I can't focus on a book

1405
01:11:31,372 --> 01:11:32,932
Speaker 2: for long enough to read properly.

1406
01:11:33,293 --> 01:11:35,772
Speaker 4: And I really notice it in class. That is interesting.

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01:11:35,853 --> 01:11:40,173
Speaker 2: So that is a seventeen year old noticing their cognitive decline,

1408
01:11:40,692 --> 01:11:44,093
Speaker 2: you know. And as my kids always say, you know,

1409
01:11:44,133 --> 01:11:47,892
Speaker 2: they call the reels and TikTok brain rot And a

1410
01:11:47,933 --> 01:11:50,812
Speaker 2: lot of young people, you know, people in their teens now,

1411
01:11:51,612 --> 01:11:53,532
Speaker 2: are seeing it. They know what it's doing to them.

1412
01:11:53,812 --> 01:11:56,253
Speaker 2: That's self awareness that they know it's rotting their brain.

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Speaker 3: But I think, you know, certainly for my case, it's

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01:11:59,893 --> 01:12:02,253
Speaker 3: quite hard to You've got to put the concerted effort

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01:12:02,333 --> 01:12:06,772
Speaker 3: into not being distracted and keep that focus on whatever

1416
01:12:06,812 --> 01:12:08,973
Speaker 3: you're watching or whatever you're reading. So it does a

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01:12:09,053 --> 01:12:11,132
Speaker 3: work and a progress and that's where that howth loathing

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Speaker 3: comes from. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: a number to call, Paul.

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Speaker 4: Are you there?

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Speaker 8: There?

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Speaker 6: You go?

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Speaker 4: Very good? Thanks mate.

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Speaker 6: Hey, my son had a real problem with reading when

1425
01:12:24,452 --> 01:12:28,692
Speaker 6: he was little, and tried to get them interested in reading.

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01:12:28,853 --> 01:12:32,052
Speaker 6: Finally I ended up picking up the Harry Potter stories

1427
01:12:32,692 --> 01:12:38,732
Speaker 6: and in place, and then he'd want to know what

1428
01:12:38,812 --> 01:12:41,372
Speaker 6: was going on, so he would rely on and then

1429
01:12:41,572 --> 01:12:43,372
Speaker 6: come running out of the lounge and tell me what

1430
01:12:43,532 --> 01:12:45,053
Speaker 6: happened or whatever. The case may be.

1431
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Speaker 4: That's awesome.

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Speaker 6: He's twenty eight now, he's at a computer science and

1433
01:12:50,293 --> 01:12:52,892
Speaker 6: mathematics degree and he's in Melbourne making a fortune.

1434
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, how good?

1435
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:12:55,372 --> 01:12:57,093
Speaker 3: I mean those Harry Potter books, I know they get

1437
01:12:57,093 --> 01:12:58,892
Speaker 3: a bit of stick for US millennials, but they are

1438
01:12:58,893 --> 01:13:00,892
Speaker 3: a great read. They are a fantastic read.

1439
01:13:01,013 --> 01:13:02,372
Speaker 4: Well, well, that changed that that.

1440
01:13:02,812 --> 01:13:04,452
Speaker 2: I mean, we just need someone to write as good

1441
01:13:04,452 --> 01:13:07,333
Speaker 2: a series as or as what's the word for it,

1442
01:13:07,572 --> 01:13:09,772
Speaker 2: a series that is as well loved as Harry Potter again,

1443
01:13:09,853 --> 01:13:13,772
Speaker 2: because that changed reading, because you know, before there was

1444
01:13:13,812 --> 01:13:16,732
Speaker 2: problems with people reading before Harry Potter, but then you know,

1445
01:13:16,812 --> 01:13:20,932
Speaker 2: your generation, the millennials just got feverish for Harry Potter

1446
01:13:20,973 --> 01:13:22,133
Speaker 2: and everyone got back into reading.

1447
01:13:22,253 --> 01:13:22,452
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1448
01:13:22,893 --> 01:13:24,692
Speaker 4: I mean, I remember when the last Harry Potter book

1449
01:13:24,732 --> 01:13:25,013
Speaker 4: came out.

1450
01:13:25,053 --> 01:13:26,932
Speaker 2: I was in Canada and I was about to get

1451
01:13:26,933 --> 01:13:30,612
Speaker 2: on to a flight to another country, and I knew

1452
01:13:30,612 --> 01:13:34,173
Speaker 2: that the last Deathly Hallow's book was coming out, The

1453
01:13:34,173 --> 01:13:36,412
Speaker 2: Deathly Hallows, the final one, and so I had to

1454
01:13:36,412 --> 01:13:38,253
Speaker 2: time it to get to the airport to buy the

1455
01:13:38,253 --> 01:13:40,972
Speaker 2: book before I got on the plane to read because

1456
01:13:40,973 --> 01:13:42,973
Speaker 2: I was so excited. There's huge piles but because I

1457
01:13:43,013 --> 01:13:45,572
Speaker 2: was in Montreal, I didn't check which one I bought,

1458
01:13:45,572 --> 01:13:47,213
Speaker 2: and I bought the French version of it. So I

1459
01:13:47,253 --> 01:13:50,412
Speaker 2: got on my plane for the longest flight incredibly excited

1460
01:13:50,452 --> 01:13:52,372
Speaker 2: and opened up and realized, I've read the French.

1461
01:13:52,532 --> 01:13:54,932
Speaker 3: Try French. That's so good.

1462
01:13:55,213 --> 01:13:58,772
Speaker 2: But they were absolutely huge. So is that what's needed?

1463
01:13:58,893 --> 01:14:02,733
Speaker 2: Just someone to write books that capture the imagination?

1464
01:14:03,452 --> 01:14:05,293
Speaker 3: Was it fair to say she stood on the shoulders

1465
01:14:05,293 --> 01:14:08,893
Speaker 3: of absolute literary giants like Rod Dahe and Charles Dickens

1466
01:14:09,253 --> 01:14:13,092
Speaker 3: very similar style of storytelling, wasn't it? I mean Charles

1467
01:14:13,133 --> 01:14:15,852
Speaker 3: Dickens with Oliver Twist and then Rod Dahe with James

1468
01:14:15,853 --> 01:14:18,412
Speaker 3: and the Giant Peach and all his beautiful writing.

1469
01:14:18,213 --> 01:14:20,173
Speaker 2: Well as interesting as have you ever listened to the

1470
01:14:20,213 --> 01:14:21,692
Speaker 2: podcast The Rest Is History?

1471
01:14:21,933 --> 01:14:25,892
Speaker 4: Yes, that they go into that. And what influenced JK.

1472
01:14:26,053 --> 01:14:27,732
Speaker 2: Rowling and writing The Harry Potter Box and a lot

1473
01:14:27,772 --> 01:14:31,173
Speaker 2: of it was the nineteen eighty the eighteen eighty seven

1474
01:14:31,452 --> 01:14:35,093
Speaker 2: Thomas Hughes Tom Brown School Days box, right, so very

1475
01:14:35,173 --> 01:14:37,652
Speaker 2: very heavily influenced by that. So she kind of basically

1476
01:14:37,732 --> 01:14:41,732
Speaker 2: took this old British trope of going to a boarding

1477
01:14:41,772 --> 01:14:43,412
Speaker 2: school and the bullies and all that kind of stuff

1478
01:14:43,412 --> 01:14:45,293
Speaker 2: and added magic to it. Yeah, and that was that

1479
01:14:45,333 --> 01:14:46,172
Speaker 2: was a brilliant approach.

1480
01:14:46,293 --> 01:14:48,572
Speaker 3: How good? Oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is the

1481
01:14:48,652 --> 01:14:51,173
Speaker 3: number to call? It is ten to three back in a.

1482
01:14:51,173 --> 01:14:54,532
Speaker 1: Month, the issues that affect you and a bit of

1483
01:14:54,572 --> 01:14:57,933
Speaker 1: fun along the way, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

1484
01:14:58,093 --> 01:14:59,293
Speaker 1: News Talk ZBB.

1485
01:15:00,893 --> 01:15:04,133
Speaker 3: News Talks THEREB it is seven to three. Few texts

1486
01:15:04,133 --> 01:15:05,612
Speaker 3: coming through on nineteen ninety two?

1487
01:15:05,812 --> 01:15:08,492
Speaker 4: Did you refer to Roald Dahl as rod D?

1488
01:15:08,732 --> 01:15:13,412
Speaker 3: I might have exident that's the old Southern extent rolled dal.

1489
01:15:14,213 --> 01:15:17,013
Speaker 4: Roll though, yeah, rolled though, No, No, there's no D.

1490
01:15:17,293 --> 01:15:19,653
Speaker 3: I'm making it worse. I'm making it worse.

1491
01:15:20,253 --> 01:15:23,933
Speaker 4: Rolled R and there is rolled? Yes, are there was

1492
01:15:23,973 --> 01:15:24,692
Speaker 4: a D? Sorry?

1493
01:15:24,893 --> 01:15:26,852
Speaker 2: Great, right, but you kind of run it on so

1494
01:15:26,853 --> 01:15:29,452
Speaker 2: it's rolled because there's two d's. It goes R O

1495
01:15:29,652 --> 01:15:34,253
Speaker 2: A L D D H L roll not rod Dale.

1496
01:15:35,053 --> 01:15:37,372
Speaker 3: Listen and I apologize to all the road dal.

1497
01:15:37,853 --> 01:15:40,213
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, I watched a short YouTube a doco a

1498
01:15:40,253 --> 01:15:42,213
Speaker 2: few years ago, and it got me back into reading.

1499
01:15:42,253 --> 01:15:44,732
Speaker 2: It was about how quickly you can read with only

1500
01:15:44,772 --> 01:15:47,772
Speaker 2: a little time. Fifteen hundred words takes about eight eightish

1501
01:15:47,772 --> 01:15:50,852
Speaker 2: minutes for most people. Average three hundred page book has

1502
01:15:50,933 --> 01:15:55,173
Speaker 2: eight eighty thousand words. That works out to be seven

1503
01:15:55,452 --> 01:15:57,492
Speaker 2: hours to read the book half an hour a day,

1504
01:15:57,572 --> 01:16:00,732
Speaker 2: and you've read a book in fourteen days.

1505
01:16:01,213 --> 01:16:03,053
Speaker 4: Lots of in there.

1506
01:16:03,253 --> 01:16:04,892
Speaker 3: Sorry, that's right, I see, we don't mind it. We

1507
01:16:04,893 --> 01:16:06,053
Speaker 3: don't mind some isshes in there.

1508
01:16:06,173 --> 01:16:06,772
Speaker 4: It's just good.

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01:16:06,893 --> 01:16:11,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, seven half hours year, right, Roddy, you're a big reader.

1510
01:16:11,412 --> 01:16:14,293
Speaker 17: Good good, he yeah, yeah, Look, I'm an avid reader.

1511
01:16:14,692 --> 01:16:17,012
Speaker 17: I've read since I was a kid, and I couldn't

1512
01:16:17,053 --> 01:16:19,093
Speaker 17: live without books and boys reading when I was in

1513
01:16:19,173 --> 01:16:22,532
Speaker 17: the second hand collectible book trade for years, and so

1514
01:16:22,692 --> 01:16:26,132
Speaker 17: that was really great. Yet DIBs on lots of stuff,

1515
01:16:26,572 --> 01:16:29,652
Speaker 17: and I think it's it's a shame. Yeah. And I

1516
01:16:29,732 --> 01:16:35,253
Speaker 17: noticed it regarding this sort of kids that aren't reading,

1517
01:16:35,293 --> 01:16:39,812
Speaker 17: that their imaginations aren't being developed and they're not seeing

1518
01:16:39,973 --> 01:16:43,133
Speaker 17: concepts and learning things. And I say it were like

1519
01:16:43,173 --> 01:16:49,372
Speaker 17: my daughter, like the old the boy he's in his

1520
01:16:49,452 --> 01:16:53,412
Speaker 17: teens now, but he doesn't read, whereas his sister who

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Speaker 17: is now free, and she's already I mean, right from

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01:16:56,492 --> 01:16:59,333
Speaker 17: the get go, they've encouraged they read to her and

1523
01:16:59,372 --> 01:17:01,572
Speaker 17: get her books, and so do I and it's a

1524
01:17:01,612 --> 01:17:06,452
Speaker 17: different thing because it's very important, you know. And yeah,

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01:17:06,492 --> 01:17:10,333
Speaker 17: I've always got I preferred reading to watching you know,

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01:17:10,452 --> 01:17:14,732
Speaker 17: Netflix or anything like that. Really, you know, it's and

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01:17:14,812 --> 01:17:18,933
Speaker 17: I've read just you know, vast variety of books, you know,

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01:17:18,973 --> 01:17:24,012
Speaker 17: whether it's fiction or non fiction, even yours many crazy

1529
01:17:24,333 --> 01:17:27,572
Speaker 17: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know what I mean,

1530
01:17:27,612 --> 01:17:30,692
Speaker 17: it's it's a real joy to read.

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01:17:31,412 --> 01:17:35,173
Speaker 2: Do you find with all the social media and and

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01:17:35,452 --> 01:17:37,812
Speaker 2: you know the device in your product that you're finding

1533
01:17:37,812 --> 01:17:40,293
Speaker 2: out the devices that you have in your product.

1534
01:17:40,732 --> 01:17:42,012
Speaker 4: God, I can't even speak.

1535
01:17:42,053 --> 01:17:45,573
Speaker 2: I can't believe I could write a book the access

1536
01:17:45,652 --> 01:17:49,173
Speaker 2: to digital content and devices and such as lowering your

1537
01:17:49,213 --> 01:17:52,012
Speaker 2: ability to read, because I was interviewing in neuroscientists actually

1538
01:17:52,013 --> 01:17:53,972
Speaker 2: for my book, and he struggled to read.

1539
01:17:54,013 --> 01:17:54,213
Speaker 4: Now.

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01:17:55,452 --> 01:17:58,532
Speaker 17: I was even at Unity Books in do the Old

1541
01:17:58,532 --> 01:18:02,492
Speaker 17: Town today to pick up a book you know it's yeah, yeah, yeah,

1542
01:18:03,013 --> 01:18:08,973
Speaker 17: I'd ordered it Energy Follows. It's Willie Nelson's Behind the Side.

1543
01:18:08,973 --> 01:18:11,492
Speaker 17: And you know, I've always dealt with the bricks and

1544
01:18:11,572 --> 01:18:13,892
Speaker 17: mortar shop because I know some of the staff there

1545
01:18:13,893 --> 01:18:16,692
Speaker 17: for years from working at book festivals and things like that.

1546
01:18:17,812 --> 01:18:19,812
Speaker 17: So I like to take a journey in and have

1547
01:18:19,812 --> 01:18:21,452
Speaker 17: a look on you and I'll tell you what the.

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01:18:21,412 --> 01:18:22,133
Speaker 7: Shop was full.

1549
01:18:22,452 --> 01:18:25,333
Speaker 17: Yeah, well look at you all different shapes and sizes

1550
01:18:25,452 --> 01:18:26,412
Speaker 17: and ages.

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01:18:26,572 --> 01:18:27,213
Speaker 3: Love that right?

1552
01:18:27,333 --> 01:18:29,492
Speaker 17: I think it's a great, great subject.

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01:18:29,173 --> 01:18:31,372
Speaker 3: Certainly as Yes, thank you mate, thank you, you're a

1554
01:18:31,412 --> 01:18:33,412
Speaker 3: good man. All right, We're going to carry this on

1555
01:18:33,532 --> 01:18:36,053
Speaker 3: after three o'clock because so many people want to have

1556
01:18:36,093 --> 01:18:38,053
Speaker 3: a chat about it reading. What does it look like

1557
01:18:38,093 --> 01:18:40,093
Speaker 3: in your household? Are you still reading to your kids?

1558
01:18:40,173 --> 01:18:41,652
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you. Oh, eight, one hundred and

1559
01:18:41,692 --> 01:18:43,933
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you

1560
01:18:43,933 --> 01:18:46,052
Speaker 3: want to send a tea. You're more than welcome. Nineteen

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01:18:46,173 --> 01:18:46,492
Speaker 3: ninety two.

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01:18:47,053 --> 01:18:49,213
Speaker 4: Are you getting dumber because you've stopped reading?

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01:18:56,293 --> 01:19:00,813
Speaker 1: Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk It's Mattie

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01:19:00,853 --> 01:19:04,773
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk sebby.

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01:19:05,492 --> 01:19:08,852
Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. Yeah, welcome back into the show. Loving

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01:19:08,893 --> 01:19:11,932
Speaker 3: this discussion of seven past three and we have been

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01:19:11,973 --> 01:19:15,612
Speaker 3: talking about reading. A great article and the economists and

1568
01:19:15,652 --> 01:19:18,333
Speaker 3: it asks the question is the decline of reading making

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01:19:18,372 --> 01:19:21,052
Speaker 3: politics done? And the answer is yes, is people read less,

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01:19:21,293 --> 01:19:24,492
Speaker 3: they think less clearly. But it goes on to give

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01:19:24,612 --> 01:19:27,612
Speaker 3: some pretty disturbing numbers in terms of the number of

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01:19:27,692 --> 01:19:30,293
Speaker 3: people reading less and less. So in America the share

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01:19:30,293 --> 01:19:32,293
Speaker 3: of people who read for pleasure that's fallen by two

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01:19:32,293 --> 01:19:35,732
Speaker 3: fifths and twenty years. And in England the uk A

1575
01:19:35,853 --> 01:19:38,892
Speaker 3: poll found that forty percent of Britain's had not read

1576
01:19:39,013 --> 01:19:41,572
Speaker 3: or listened to any book in the last year.

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01:19:41,692 --> 01:19:43,612
Speaker 2: What I like about this article and the economists is

1578
01:19:43,893 --> 01:19:46,892
Speaker 2: it's talking about reading and shortened attention spans and stuff,

1579
01:19:46,933 --> 01:19:49,133
Speaker 2: and it's a very long and detailed article, so they

1580
01:19:49,492 --> 01:19:52,053
Speaker 2: you know, they're true to what they believe that it's

1581
01:19:52,093 --> 01:19:55,133
Speaker 2: a very deep and long article. It's fantastic. It goes

1582
01:19:55,133 --> 01:19:59,452
Speaker 2: into Charles Dickens and such. But as are saying before,

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01:20:00,093 --> 01:20:04,012
Speaker 2: research has shown the average person's attention span has gone

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01:20:04,612 --> 01:20:08,892
Speaker 2: from two point five minutes in twenty in two thousand

1585
01:20:08,893 --> 01:20:12,932
Speaker 2: and four down to this is twenty twenty three forty

1586
01:20:12,933 --> 01:20:13,652
Speaker 2: seven seconds.

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01:20:13,732 --> 01:20:14,973
Speaker 4: So I can only imagine.

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01:20:14,612 --> 01:20:17,652
Speaker 2: It's fallen off a cliff more since then with all

1589
01:20:17,692 --> 01:20:19,932
Speaker 2: the doom scrolling that goes on.

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01:20:20,133 --> 01:20:22,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're taking your calls O eight one hundred

1591
01:20:22,333 --> 01:20:24,133
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty and if you want to send

1592
01:20:24,133 --> 01:20:26,093
Speaker 3: a teach more than welcome. Nine to ninety two, what

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01:20:26,133 --> 01:20:28,253
Speaker 3: does reading look like in your household? Are you trying

1594
01:20:28,253 --> 01:20:30,692
Speaker 3: to make you concerted if it as an adult or

1595
01:20:30,732 --> 01:20:33,813
Speaker 3: with your kids in your household to read more physical books.

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01:20:33,612 --> 01:20:37,092
Speaker 2: And it has consequences people reading less. According to this article,

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01:20:37,133 --> 01:20:41,012
Speaker 2: it's saying that declining reading is making politics dumber, and

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01:20:41,372 --> 01:20:46,412
Speaker 2: people getting their politics from TikTok and reels and YouTube

1599
01:20:46,452 --> 01:20:49,372
Speaker 2: shorts is making people dumber because you only get a

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01:20:49,532 --> 01:20:54,173
Speaker 2: very small it's like a nut McNugget of information as

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01:20:54,173 --> 01:20:57,092
Speaker 2: opposed to the banquet you can get if you read

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01:20:57,293 --> 01:20:59,253
Speaker 2: a long form article or a book on it and

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01:20:59,293 --> 01:21:01,692
Speaker 2: actually might have an informed opinion. You know, if you

1604
01:21:02,053 --> 01:21:05,133
Speaker 2: all your friends that have the craziest political views and

1605
01:21:05,452 --> 01:21:09,253
Speaker 2: they're the most emotional and loud about them, guarantee.

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01:21:08,853 --> 01:21:10,652
Speaker 4: If you scratch the surface, they're getting them from TikTok.

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01:21:10,692 --> 01:21:12,932
Speaker 3: Oh, I've seen them. I've got a few friends like that. Yeah,

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01:21:12,973 --> 01:21:14,572
Speaker 3: and it is you know, they've gone deep down the

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01:21:14,652 --> 01:21:18,452
Speaker 3: rabbit hole into this little TikTok world of forty second

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01:21:18,532 --> 01:21:23,692
Speaker 3: soundbites focused on a specific small part of whatever politics

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01:21:23,692 --> 01:21:24,612
Speaker 3: they kind of leaned to it.

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01:21:24,612 --> 01:21:26,412
Speaker 4: And it gets worse and worse because every.

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01:21:26,213 --> 01:21:31,372
Speaker 2: Single article, every single issue has gray area and nuance,

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01:21:31,933 --> 01:21:33,932
Speaker 2: But you don't see that. You just the algorithm will

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01:21:33,933 --> 01:21:35,532
Speaker 2: just feed you what you want and you just get

1616
01:21:35,692 --> 01:21:38,812
Speaker 2: absolutely water boarded with the same opinion until you go

1617
01:21:38,933 --> 01:21:42,973
Speaker 2: absolutely mental. And at the same time, it's lowering your

1618
01:21:42,973 --> 01:21:46,253
Speaker 2: attention span, so you have the inability to read longer

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01:21:46,293 --> 01:21:47,092
Speaker 2: form articles.

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01:21:47,253 --> 01:21:49,132
Speaker 3: Yeah, to go searching for other sources.

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01:21:49,692 --> 01:21:51,532
Speaker 2: So the very people that need to read this article

1622
01:21:51,532 --> 01:21:53,093
Speaker 2: in the economists would see that it's going to take

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01:21:53,093 --> 01:21:54,772
Speaker 2: you about twelve minutes to read, and they'd run for

1624
01:21:54,812 --> 01:21:56,812
Speaker 2: the absolutely, run for the hills.

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01:21:56,973 --> 01:21:59,652
Speaker 3: High level trolling. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty

1626
01:21:59,772 --> 01:22:00,812
Speaker 3: is the number to cool.

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01:22:01,133 --> 01:22:03,613
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, I'm an avid reader, and so are my teenagers.

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01:22:03,612 --> 01:22:05,372
Speaker 2: We turn the Wi Fi off in the evening so

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01:22:05,452 --> 01:22:08,132
Speaker 2: that reading art, et cetera are the most interesting activities

1630
01:22:08,133 --> 01:22:10,412
Speaker 2: on I remember a teacher telling me that if your

1631
01:22:10,492 --> 01:22:15,612
Speaker 2: child reads, they will passively and effortlessly learn spelling, punctuation, grammar,

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01:22:15,652 --> 01:22:20,052
Speaker 2: and easy say construction. These skills aren't necessarily taught anymore,

1633
01:22:20,133 --> 01:22:22,652
Speaker 2: but a student will struggle without them.

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01:22:22,732 --> 01:22:26,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, good text, Emma, how are you this afternoon?

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01:22:26,812 --> 01:22:27,012
Speaker 21: Hi?

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01:22:27,173 --> 01:22:27,412
Speaker 17: Good?

1637
01:22:27,452 --> 01:22:28,492
Speaker 21: Thanks? How are you going?

1638
01:22:28,652 --> 01:22:29,133
Speaker 4: Very good?

1639
01:22:29,213 --> 01:22:32,133
Speaker 3: So you've got a son in year eight. Is that correct, No,

1640
01:22:32,253 --> 01:22:33,133
Speaker 3: he's in the nine.

1641
01:22:33,213 --> 01:22:34,852
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, but he yeah.

1642
01:22:34,893 --> 01:22:36,572
Speaker 21: And when he was in the year seven and eight,

1643
01:22:36,853 --> 01:22:40,213
Speaker 21: he was at a school here in Wellington called Wellesley College,

1644
01:22:40,253 --> 01:22:43,612
Speaker 21: which is a boys' school, and they really encourage boys

1645
01:22:43,652 --> 01:22:46,852
Speaker 21: to be boys, right, So they'd go up before school,

1646
01:22:46,853 --> 01:22:49,372
Speaker 21: they'd be playing football, and they'd be playing tennis and

1647
01:22:49,452 --> 01:22:52,412
Speaker 21: rugby and morning tea and afternoon tea and they'd be

1648
01:22:52,412 --> 01:22:55,492
Speaker 21: covered in mud. And then then that his teacher, who

1649
01:22:55,572 --> 01:22:59,572
Speaker 21: was a male, would get them into the classroom and say, okay, boys,

1650
01:22:59,572 --> 01:23:02,492
Speaker 21: settle down, get out your book and read for ten minutes.

1651
01:23:03,213 --> 01:23:05,412
Speaker 21: And he'd get his chair out at the front of

1652
01:23:05,452 --> 01:23:08,012
Speaker 21: the classroom and he would role model a New Zealand

1653
01:23:08,013 --> 01:23:13,133
Speaker 21: male sorry, reading his fiction book or nonfiction book, so

1654
01:23:13,213 --> 01:23:15,532
Speaker 21: the boys could see a New Zealand male reading and

1655
01:23:16,213 --> 01:23:19,692
Speaker 21: normalize it. And you know, these boys turned through so

1656
01:23:19,732 --> 01:23:22,492
Speaker 21: many books think here, and I just thought it was

1657
01:23:22,532 --> 01:23:25,572
Speaker 21: a really unique and very cool approach to get boys

1658
01:23:25,572 --> 01:23:26,132
Speaker 21: into reading.

1659
01:23:26,412 --> 01:23:29,013
Speaker 2: I think once you get over that initial hurdle and

1660
01:23:29,053 --> 01:23:31,293
Speaker 2: it sounds like this is what this teacher was doing.

1661
01:23:31,333 --> 01:23:33,812
Speaker 2: Once you get over and you get into reading, it's

1662
01:23:33,853 --> 01:23:37,133
Speaker 2: not a chore, it's an absolute joy. But you just

1663
01:23:37,133 --> 01:23:40,012
Speaker 2: have to get over that hurdle. So what a great

1664
01:23:40,053 --> 01:23:42,253
Speaker 2: New Zealand that man was for doing that.

1665
01:23:42,933 --> 01:23:45,652
Speaker 21: I was very calming, very calming for them, right.

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01:23:46,013 --> 01:23:46,653
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1667
01:23:46,732 --> 01:23:50,692
Speaker 2: I remember when I wasn's at school and we had

1668
01:23:50,692 --> 01:23:55,612
Speaker 2: this reading session and I was reading Spike Milligan's William

1669
01:23:55,652 --> 01:23:57,812
Speaker 2: McGonagall The Truth at Last and it was so funny

1670
01:23:58,093 --> 01:24:00,532
Speaker 2: that I couldn't stop laughing. And then I got kicked

1671
01:24:00,532 --> 01:24:01,532
Speaker 2: out of the class.

1672
01:24:03,133 --> 01:24:04,412
Speaker 3: Having too much reading.

1673
01:24:04,652 --> 01:24:08,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the teacher kept going laugh again, Matthew,

1674
01:24:08,853 --> 01:24:12,013
Speaker 2: and you're out, as she said, he yeah, you're out, and.

1675
01:24:12,173 --> 01:24:14,253
Speaker 3: Quite look at himself would have loved that, mate.

1676
01:24:14,253 --> 01:24:15,892
Speaker 4: I tried to read it without laughing. I couldn't.

1677
01:24:15,933 --> 01:24:18,052
Speaker 2: I think I spat on the on the book. Anyway,

1678
01:24:18,933 --> 01:24:21,412
Speaker 2: it's a fantastic thing. Good, good, good on that teacher, Emma.

1679
01:24:22,412 --> 01:24:26,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, or just quickly before you shoot off, What what

1680
01:24:26,093 --> 01:24:27,812
Speaker 3: sort of books he is your boy into?

1681
01:24:27,812 --> 01:24:28,012
Speaker 7: Now?

1682
01:24:28,133 --> 01:24:28,333
Speaker 23: Is he?

1683
01:24:28,492 --> 01:24:31,012
Speaker 3: Is he sort of a cross non fiction fiction?

1684
01:24:31,772 --> 01:24:34,692
Speaker 21: Yeah, he's actually really into nonfiction. So he's read sort

1685
01:24:34,692 --> 01:24:38,133
Speaker 21: of all the Sportshang biographies and autobiographies. He's reading a

1686
01:24:38,173 --> 01:24:41,932
Speaker 21: book about Apple at the moment called Apple and China.

1687
01:24:42,253 --> 01:24:45,892
Speaker 21: So yeah, no, he's really into nonfiction. He didn't get

1688
01:24:45,933 --> 01:24:48,213
Speaker 21: into the fantasy that a lot of the boys get into.

1689
01:24:48,612 --> 01:24:52,852
Speaker 21: So in my Middle one he he seems to like

1690
01:24:52,893 --> 01:24:55,173
Speaker 21: nonfiction as well. So you've just got to find whatever,

1691
01:24:56,173 --> 01:24:58,893
Speaker 21: you know, whatever they're into, and just keep feeding.

1692
01:24:58,652 --> 01:24:59,053
Speaker 8: It to them.

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01:24:59,333 --> 01:25:00,492
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:24:59,772 --> 01:25:02,812
Speaker 3: Good, what a great teacher, I'll tell you.

1695
01:25:02,853 --> 01:25:05,652
Speaker 2: I was talking about how Harry Potter blew up and

1696
01:25:05,772 --> 01:25:07,933
Speaker 2: everyone was reading. But there's been other things that What

1697
01:25:08,013 --> 01:25:09,293
Speaker 2: about the Fifty Shades of Gray.

1698
01:25:09,492 --> 01:25:10,532
Speaker 4: Yep, that was situation.

1699
01:25:10,732 --> 01:25:14,293
Speaker 3: Now Twilight that went people in gaga for Twilight Boys.

1700
01:25:13,973 --> 01:25:14,532
Speaker 4: Harry Potter.

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01:25:14,853 --> 01:25:18,052
Speaker 2: I was talking as I said, Harry Potter, and Howard

1702
01:25:18,412 --> 01:25:22,092
Speaker 2: got a millennials reading like yourself, Tyler love it absolutely

1703
01:25:22,133 --> 01:25:24,492
Speaker 2: blew up boys. Harry Potter is based on Star Wars,

1704
01:25:24,492 --> 01:25:27,092
Speaker 2: often sent to his aunt and uncle. Father like father

1705
01:25:27,253 --> 01:25:30,212
Speaker 2: figure rescues him who actually dropped him there as a baby.

1706
01:25:30,572 --> 01:25:33,412
Speaker 2: A scruffy best friend has a love interest with a

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01:25:33,532 --> 01:25:36,293
Speaker 2: leading lady, all happening in a strange world of magic.

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01:25:36,333 --> 01:25:37,852
Speaker 4: Blair Well, it's.

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01:25:37,652 --> 01:25:40,213
Speaker 2: Interesting people would argue that they're all There's a fantastic

1710
01:25:40,213 --> 01:25:43,692
Speaker 2: book written in about nineteen fifty called The Hero with

1711
01:25:43,732 --> 01:25:46,772
Speaker 2: a Thousand Faces. It's written by Joseph Campbell, and it

1712
01:25:46,812 --> 01:25:48,772
Speaker 2: points out that we have the same stories over and

1713
01:25:48,812 --> 01:25:52,612
Speaker 2: again that we love. And Star Wars is kind of

1714
01:25:52,652 --> 01:25:54,652
Speaker 2: the same story as Harry Potter, but so is the

1715
01:25:54,652 --> 01:25:58,973
Speaker 2: Odyssey the Iliad. Then there's even if you look at

1716
01:25:59,013 --> 01:26:02,092
Speaker 2: the Life of Buddha yep and the story of Moses,

1717
01:26:02,213 --> 01:26:05,212
Speaker 2: the Life of Jesus, they're all kind of very similar stories.

1718
01:26:05,293 --> 01:26:08,213
Speaker 4: King Arthur and the Quest for the Holy Grail, BeO Wolf, Moby,

1719
01:26:08,612 --> 01:26:09,372
Speaker 4: the Lord of the Rings.

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01:26:09,492 --> 01:26:13,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, the hero's journey is a very famous literary trope,

1721
01:26:14,013 --> 01:26:14,372
Speaker 3: isn't it.

1722
01:26:14,412 --> 01:26:14,492
Speaker 8: So?

1723
01:26:14,532 --> 01:26:17,613
Speaker 2: Star Wars, Harry Potter, The Matrix, the Hunger Games, Moana,

1724
01:26:18,133 --> 01:26:20,333
Speaker 2: the Lion Came, just to name a few, are kind

1725
01:26:20,372 --> 01:26:21,972
Speaker 2: of that same story.

1726
01:26:22,013 --> 01:26:23,132
Speaker 4: Because we love that story.

1727
01:26:23,213 --> 01:26:25,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it starts off what they call for adventure,

1728
01:26:25,612 --> 01:26:28,253
Speaker 3: and you usually get a character that doesn't have any

1729
01:26:28,333 --> 01:26:31,772
Speaker 3: parents anymore. Then they find some supernatural help along the way.

1730
01:26:32,053 --> 01:26:35,212
Speaker 2: They find out that they're special and important. Yes, when

1731
01:26:35,293 --> 01:26:38,093
Speaker 2: they have nothing at the start and the start of

1732
01:26:38,133 --> 01:26:41,133
Speaker 2: Act one, they're downtrodden, and then they find out they're

1733
01:26:41,173 --> 01:26:45,012
Speaker 2: special and important as they're called into into you know,

1734
01:26:45,532 --> 01:26:47,052
Speaker 2: the call to adventure comes.

1735
01:26:47,133 --> 01:26:48,972
Speaker 3: There's something that speaks to me about the hero's journey.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call if you can't get through. Keep trying. We've

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Speaker 3: got full boards at the moment, and we've got plenty

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Speaker 3: of texts to get to as well.

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Speaker 2: Michelle say, sometimes I wish I had a shorter attention span,

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Speaker 2: especially at three in the morning when I can't put

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Speaker 2: the book down. So Michelle is at a different end

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Speaker 2: of the spectrum than a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, caught pass three back in the moth seventeen past three.

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Speaker 3: We are talking about an article in the Economists which

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Speaker 3: speaks on the decline of reading, and it is happening

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01:27:15,612 --> 01:27:18,053
Speaker 3: across the board and across ages, so we can hear

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Speaker 3: from you. Do you still have a love of reading

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Speaker 3: or are you getting back into it? At one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: Just on the topic of the hero with a thousand faces,

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Speaker 2: you've got to say the Dune story is also very

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01:27:27,452 --> 01:27:30,692
Speaker 2: similar to Harry Potter and Star Wars. Yeah, very satisfying. Yes,

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Speaker 2: very satisfying. My sons go to Parme North Boys High School.

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01:27:34,412 --> 01:27:38,052
Speaker 2: The whole school has to do SSR Sustain Silent Reading

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Speaker 2: every day after lunch for fifteen minutes, eighteen hundred boys

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Speaker 2: go to the school rector as an English teacher and

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Speaker 2: fosters the boys to enjoy reading. That is a great thing,

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01:27:45,652 --> 01:27:48,133
Speaker 2: How bloody good from Parme North Boys High School.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to you guys.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Esa, Hi, guys, I've been concerned for a while,

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Speaker 4: quite a while, how much time my teenage daughter fourteen

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Speaker 4: spins on screen time. However, she's top of the class

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Speaker 4: in English, spelling, etc. Put on the girl.

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Speaker 2: And here's a bit of pushback on this. I hate reading.

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Speaker 2: I never read for pleasure and I don't plan to.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think reading is everything. I've completed to agree,

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Speaker 2: and we'll read for information when I have to. But

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Speaker 2: there are lots of other ways of learning nowadays, such

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Speaker 2: as listening to podcasts, watching interviews, listening to Newstalks, z'b

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Speaker 2: loll and learning through doing. Some people learn and take

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Speaker 2: lots from reading, others get nothing out of it. So

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Speaker 2: I think it's great we have so many different ways

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Speaker 2: of taking an information right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of this is in this article.

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Speaker 2: Is about reading to your kids as and you know,

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Speaker 2: I think listening to an audiobook or listening to a

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01:28:38,853 --> 01:28:42,132
Speaker 2: long form podcast or listening to mattin t afternoons on Newstalks.

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Speaker 4: They'd be a great for your brain.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely brain listening to this show. Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just your brain is growing right now just by

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Speaker 4: listening to us.

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01:28:50,253 --> 01:28:52,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're lucky. Things right. We've got the phone calls

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Speaker 3: backed up if you can't get through. Oh, eight hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Andrea.

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Speaker 4: You read to your children every night?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 22: I did.

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Speaker 18: They're a bit older mouse. But I just had this

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Speaker 18: great story because I read to both my kids every night,

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Speaker 18: my husband and I did. And my daughter recently had

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Speaker 18: her topes out at twenty and she was really really

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01:29:15,013 --> 01:29:17,732
Speaker 18: sick in recovery, and I just laid down my herd

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Speaker 18: for this for the two or three nights and reread

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Speaker 18: all the.

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Speaker 6: Books that we read the kids.

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Speaker 18: And it was just so cool because there was three

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Speaker 18: memories and it was really it was just really soothing

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Speaker 18: for her.

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Speaker 6: And I just think there's just so.

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Speaker 18: Much in those kids books, so many messages, and there's

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Speaker 18: so many great memories that you can make.

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Speaker 4: So what are the highlights? What are her favorites and

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01:29:36,692 --> 01:29:37,293
Speaker 4: your favorites?

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Speaker 7: Andrea, well, we love the Giraffe counts.

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Speaker 18: And I don't know if the Gruffalo like some of

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Speaker 18: the book stories.

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Speaker 4: I like that you read the Gruffalo. It's a very

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Speaker 4: simple story, I.

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Speaker 18: Know, but there's so good there's such good messages. But

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Speaker 18: for us it was just really powerful.

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Speaker 6: And both my kids are.

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Speaker 18: Readers and both at university that just managed to I

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Speaker 18: think it helps them just to be able to retain information.

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Speaker 18: I just think it's just so vital and it's such

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Speaker 18: a great connection as the care of Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And are they all avid readers now, not just

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Speaker 3: with the Gruffalo but other books?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 3: Is that carried on for them into edelhood Yep?

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Speaker 6: They both don't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, love it. Andrea, thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: giving us a call. Have a good afternoon. I eight

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Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

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Speaker 4: Is nobby knees and turned out toes and a poisonous

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Speaker 4: wart on the end of his nose.

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Speaker 3: That brings me some memories? Right it is twenty one

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Speaker 3: past three oh eight one hundred and eighty ten. Acy,

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Speaker 3: what does reading look like? And your household? He is

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Speaker 3: still reading to your kids? Love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons. Call Oh eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB Very.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. It is twenty four past three.

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Speaker 3: Some great texts coming through. This one's a nice one,

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Speaker 3: ghetto fellers. I haven't finished a book since fifth form.

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Speaker 3: I hate reading, but I did pick up a wee

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Speaker 3: book last year for me Fiji holiday called A Life

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01:31:08,532 --> 01:31:11,013
Speaker 3: Is Punishing. Even kept reading it after I got back

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Speaker 3: from holiday. Cheers from making Spokey Doki Spokey dokey.

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Speaker 4: So that's a listening to an old podcasts to do

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Speaker 4: called the bespoke Daily Podcast. Yeah, but it makes it

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Speaker 4: and then the listeners were called Bespokey dokey, So it's

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Speaker 4: great to have a bespokey dokey coming over to the

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Speaker 4: mattin Tyler Afternoon Show. My son fifteen bought War and

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Speaker 4: Peace last week at a second hand book store. Wow,

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Speaker 4: fifteen year old reading War and Peace. I'll tell you

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Speaker 4: with that book, get out of pen and paper because

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01:31:38,133 --> 01:31:40,133
Speaker 4: the names change all the way through it. That was

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Speaker 4: right at the edge of my abilities to comprehend a

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01:31:43,612 --> 01:31:46,572
Speaker 4: book where we go.

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Speaker 2: I totally with us, Hey, guys, there's one book which

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Speaker 2: I believe should be compulsory reading for every young person,

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Speaker 2: Shackleton's Journey, or one of several variants of the story.

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01:31:55,093 --> 01:31:58,652
Speaker 2: It is surely one of the greatest stories, truly of courage,

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01:31:58,652 --> 01:32:02,812
Speaker 2: survival and so inspirational. That's Colin and Nelson. I totally

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01:32:02,853 --> 01:32:06,892
Speaker 2: agree everyone should read Shackleton's story. And you know, as

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Speaker 2: I said a few months ago, I'm building Shackleton's Boat

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Speaker 2: the endurance at the moment, but just that story, the

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Speaker 2: Shackleton story, anyway that you can digest it. I think

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Speaker 2: it might be the greatest story of all time.

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Speaker 3: In terms of a survival story.

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Speaker 4: It's just incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to actually read that book book. From

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Speaker 3: what I know of the story, it is amazing. Those

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Speaker 3: guys made it out alive. What absolute great human beings.

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Speaker 2: I've just started reading a book called Stolen Focus, Why

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Speaker 2: you Can't Pay Attention. It's the first book I've read

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Speaker 2: in the number of years, but thought social media and

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01:32:37,532 --> 01:32:39,772
Speaker 2: TV is taking over, and it is a great read.

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Speaker 2: As to the reasons why we are struggling to focus

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Speaker 2: and pay attention. That's an interesting one that you will

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Speaker 2: you need the attention to read the book to tell

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Speaker 2: you that you don't have the attention to read a book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's some attention inception right there.

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Speaker 4: We love reading in our household.

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Speaker 2: My husband and I both enjoy reading and made it

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Speaker 2: a part of our normal life with our four kids.

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Speaker 2: Always a book before bed or a snuggle on the

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Speaker 2: couch while we read.

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Speaker 4: A story together.

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Speaker 2: They've grown their own love for books, and it's absolutely

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Speaker 2: awesome how much they learn through reading, as well as

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01:33:08,933 --> 01:33:12,133
Speaker 2: allowing the imagination to grow through reading stories. We love

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Speaker 2: movies and programs as well, but there was nothing quite

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Speaker 2: like a book that's from Lydia.

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Speaker 3: Nice nicely said Lydia, Mike, here were you this afternoon?

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Speaker 22: Yes, cure guys, I'm a dyslexia consultant and I just

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Speaker 22: wanted to put the case on it. Reading is an

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Speaker 22: amazing thing and we should all be encouraged to do it.

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Speaker 22: But there is a group of New Zealanders, about half

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Speaker 22: a million of them maybe more, for whom the act

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Speaker 22: of reading is incredibly difficult, and they often have to

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Speaker 22: read the same passage three or four times to understand it,

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Speaker 22: and then maybe another three or four times to remember it,

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Speaker 22: and by that time they've often tired of the task.

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Speaker 22: It uses a lot more bandwidth for reading for those

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Speaker 22: people than it does for normal folk. And I just

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Speaker 22: really wanted to make the case for those people because

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Speaker 22: they're getting a very hard time in.

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Speaker 6: New Zealand right now.

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Speaker 4: I am well, good on you, Mike. A lot of

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Speaker 4: dyslexics have gone on to be great authors, though, haven't

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Speaker 4: They might like the IGUTHA. Christie was one of them,

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Speaker 4: I believe.

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Speaker 22: And Winston Churchill was another one, Jane Austen. These people

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Speaker 22: have got great imaginations and great minds, but oftentimes they

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Speaker 22: get other people to correct their spelling mistakes and.

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Speaker 6: Sort of finish off the script.

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Speaker 22: Mark Twain is another one was known to be dyslexic, so,

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Speaker 22: and you're one hundred percent right about that. But some

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Speaker 22: people find reading very easy and relaxing to do. Other

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Speaker 22: people find it incredibly difficult and tiring to do. And

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Speaker 22: those are the kind of people that aren't even likely

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Speaker 22: to pick up a novel and read it. And certainly

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Speaker 22: the idea of reading war Piece to those people when

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Speaker 22: they're complete that another hathema. Although they may enjoy it

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Speaker 22: if somebody else will read it to them.

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Speaker 4: Well, what do you think it is?

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Speaker 2: About the dyslexic brain, if that's the best way to

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Speaker 2: describe it, that leads to such creative outcomes, you know,

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Speaker 2: despite the obstacles, because you know, famously Stephen Spielberg, one

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01:35:28,772 --> 01:35:33,772
Speaker 2: of the most creative people ever is dyslexic. So is

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Speaker 2: there there's some part of how the brain works when

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01:35:37,333 --> 01:35:39,173
Speaker 2: you're dyslexic that leads to creativity.

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Speaker 22: Yes, yes, there is. There is a definite link between

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Speaker 22: dyslexia and creativity. And brain that causes difficulties with reading, writing,

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Speaker 22: and spelling often bestows on those other people the creative

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Speaker 22: talents they have. So they're often often have powerful three

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Speaker 22: D skills and visual and spatial skills. They're often creative

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Speaker 22: and innovative. They're often people that see pattern and connections

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Speaker 22: that others don't see. And here's the thing that I

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Speaker 22: think is quite.

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Speaker 24: The funniest thing about it. We know that many dyslexic

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Speaker 24: people have a great bullshit detection beata, telling of people lie.

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Speaker 3: Or not interesting. It's like a superpower, Mike sounds like.

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Speaker 24: So that's that's I thought. Since you're talking about literacy

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Speaker 24: and it is an important issue that you should keep

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Speaker 24: that in mind as well.

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Speaker 2: That's great and Guy Ritchie's another one that the movie

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Speaker 2: director who's dyslexic but has been incredibly successful.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if part of it as well is.

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Speaker 2: That you you know, you have these struggles, so you

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Speaker 2: know you're drawn to it in a way, but also

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Speaker 2: you have to use your imagination to get round things.

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Speaker 2: I can kind of see how how that that? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that what's the way to say, dyslexia that challenge can

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Speaker 2: actually grow other parts of your brain not very much.

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Speaker 22: So, And we don't fully understand all of all of

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Speaker 22: the explanation as to why the creative the dyslexic brain

1950
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Speaker 22: is so creative that it is it often is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Mike.

1952
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you do great work, Thank you very much. Just seven.

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01:37:23,213 --> 01:37:26,253
Speaker 3: Look at another couple of writers, very famous writers with

1954
01:37:26,333 --> 01:37:30,652
Speaker 3: disex year as well. If Scott Fitzgerald, the great Gadsby, Yeah,

1955
01:37:30,692 --> 01:37:34,812
Speaker 3: great book, Editha Christie several of her very fantastic and

1956
01:37:34,853 --> 01:37:38,892
Speaker 3: famous books rolled though he was another one, Octavia Butler.

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01:37:38,933 --> 01:37:40,092
Speaker 3: The list goes on so clearly.

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01:37:40,173 --> 01:37:43,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what about reading the comments on Instagram?

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01:37:43,612 --> 01:37:46,972
Speaker 4: Does that count as reading? I don't know. I think

1960
01:37:47,013 --> 01:37:49,772
Speaker 4: I think the comments on Instagram probably less.

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Speaker 12: So.

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01:37:49,933 --> 01:37:52,612
Speaker 2: I mean, the comments on Reddit are full brain rot,

1963
01:37:52,732 --> 01:37:54,452
Speaker 2: So if you're doing your reading on Reddit, then you

1964
01:37:54,452 --> 01:37:58,253
Speaker 2: are clearly becoming dumber. Yeah, but I think reading in

1965
01:37:58,293 --> 01:38:02,253
Speaker 2: general is better than just watching. TikTok is the worst.

1966
01:38:02,772 --> 01:38:06,093
Speaker 2: I think we can all agree that TikTok is basically erasing.

1967
01:38:05,692 --> 01:38:09,652
Speaker 4: Your brain at a time you're not even reading.

1968
01:38:10,933 --> 01:38:13,173
Speaker 2: So the comments on Instagram, although you know, sometimes you're

1969
01:38:13,213 --> 01:38:15,572
Speaker 2: reading comments on Instagram and they're just so smart and

1970
01:38:15,612 --> 01:38:17,412
Speaker 2: clever and read it used to be amazing. Read it

1971
01:38:17,492 --> 01:38:19,412
Speaker 2: used to be the best of social media. But as

1972
01:38:19,452 --> 01:38:25,013
Speaker 2: things tend when it comes to technology and these platforms,

1973
01:38:25,213 --> 01:38:27,412
Speaker 2: the one that starts off the best always becomes the worst.

1974
01:38:27,452 --> 01:38:30,252
Speaker 2: I think Reader is now descended into.

1975
01:38:30,093 --> 01:38:34,173
Speaker 3: Just the pits of absolute brain rot in shitification. Yeah,

1976
01:38:34,173 --> 01:38:36,532
Speaker 3: and as pure as form. We are going to carry

1977
01:38:36,532 --> 01:38:39,732
Speaker 3: this on because we've got full phone lines and so

1978
01:38:39,772 --> 01:38:41,852
Speaker 3: many ticks to get through. But if you can't get through,

1979
01:38:41,933 --> 01:38:43,692
Speaker 3: keep trying. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1980
01:38:43,692 --> 01:38:46,932
Speaker 3: the number to call headlines with Wendy coming up, then

1981
01:38:47,013 --> 01:38:48,213
Speaker 3: we will take more of your calls.

1982
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Speaker 12: Jus talk said.

1983
01:38:51,572 --> 01:38:54,253
Speaker 15: The headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's no trouble with

1984
01:38:54,333 --> 01:38:58,813
Speaker 15: the Blue Bubble ordering. A Tamadiki says circumstances are unprecedented

1985
01:38:58,973 --> 01:39:03,053
Speaker 15: as they care for fugitive Tom Phillips's three children. Our

1986
01:39:03,133 --> 01:39:05,933
Speaker 15: teenagers being charged with murder after the death of a

1987
01:39:05,973 --> 01:39:09,892
Speaker 15: fifteen year old earlier this year. Ya Carrodia was fatally

1988
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Speaker 15: stamped in Napier in May. Police aren't ruling out of

1989
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Speaker 15: further charges. Duned And police are appealing for the public's

1990
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Speaker 15: help after a person died when a motorcycle and car

1991
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Speaker 15: collided on State Highway I near Mosgill last Thursday. They

1992
01:39:23,772 --> 01:39:26,052
Speaker 15: want to hear from motorists traveling on the road around

1993
01:39:26,053 --> 01:39:29,093
Speaker 15: one thirty pm that day and anyone who saw at

1994
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Speaker 15: orange Suzuki Swift or a white and black motorcycle around

1995
01:39:33,053 --> 01:39:37,452
Speaker 15: that time. Democrats in Congress have released a lude note

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Speaker 15: alleging signed by US President Donald Trump and sent to

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Speaker 15: Jeffrey Epstein for his fiftieth birthday. Work is underway to

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Speaker 15: reduce the Avalanche Resk in Milford Sound. The road connection

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01:39:48,812 --> 01:39:51,572
Speaker 15: to one of New Zealand's top tourist attractions from Tiano

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01:39:51,732 --> 01:39:54,852
Speaker 15: to the Sound, has faced several closures in recent days

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01:39:55,053 --> 01:39:58,492
Speaker 15: due to snow and avalanche risk and the whole ad

2002
01:39:58,732 --> 01:40:02,612
Speaker 15: is a disgrace. Key complaints upheld over burnt out in

2003
01:40:02,772 --> 01:40:06,573
Speaker 15: Tina from Turner's ad. Find out more at enzt Herald Premium.

2004
01:40:06,692 --> 01:40:07,892
Speaker 15: Now back to Mattin Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we're talking about reading.

2006
01:40:10,492 --> 01:40:13,852
Speaker 3: Great article in the Economist highlights the decline of reading

2007
01:40:13,853 --> 01:40:17,813
Speaker 3: across the board, all ages and all genders and all demographics,

2008
01:40:17,973 --> 01:40:22,093
Speaker 3: and highlights how concerning that is. The headline is, is

2009
01:40:22,133 --> 01:40:24,812
Speaker 3: the decline of reading making politics dumber? Their answer to that,

2010
01:40:24,853 --> 01:40:28,532
Speaker 3: according to multiple surveys and experts, is yes. As people

2011
01:40:28,572 --> 01:40:30,973
Speaker 3: read less, they think less, clearly. So what are you

2012
01:40:30,973 --> 01:40:32,772
Speaker 3: doing in your household when it comes to reading? Oh eight,

2013
01:40:32,732 --> 01:40:38,013
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty, Well, well we've got

2014
01:40:38,053 --> 01:40:39,652
Speaker 3: just Cinder on the line with the.

2015
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Speaker 4: Owners and working again. There it goes get age Cinder, Hi,

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01:40:45,053 --> 01:40:45,532
Speaker 4: how are you?

2017
01:40:46,732 --> 01:40:49,452
Speaker 24: I'm good? Thank you. I was just listening to your

2018
01:40:49,572 --> 01:40:53,532
Speaker 24: talk show. It's brilliant. And when it comes to reading,

2019
01:40:54,173 --> 01:40:57,212
Speaker 24: we have a family that's a book lover. So everywhere

2020
01:40:57,213 --> 01:41:01,532
Speaker 24: in the house all I'm creating is bookshelves.

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01:41:01,612 --> 01:41:05,572
Speaker 3: Fantastic. So has it been a renewed love of reading

2022
01:41:05,612 --> 01:41:07,452
Speaker 3: in the house in recent times for you just in it.

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01:41:08,532 --> 01:41:11,093
Speaker 24: Yes, it's I have always been a reader. I got

2024
01:41:11,093 --> 01:41:12,652
Speaker 24: it from my mom. She used to read a lot

2025
01:41:12,692 --> 01:41:16,452
Speaker 24: when we were kids, and then but recently my partner also,

2026
01:41:16,492 --> 01:41:18,812
Speaker 24: he started reading when he saw me and my daughter

2027
01:41:18,853 --> 01:41:22,692
Speaker 24: reading all the time. But for me it has come

2028
01:41:22,772 --> 01:41:25,133
Speaker 24: it has become a bit of a challenge. Now, what

2029
01:41:25,173 --> 01:41:27,612
Speaker 24: happened is five years back, I had a I went

2030
01:41:27,652 --> 01:41:30,732
Speaker 24: for a morning walk and I fell down. And I

2031
01:41:30,853 --> 01:41:33,452
Speaker 24: wonder if you aware of something called as scripts. It's

2032
01:41:33,452 --> 01:41:40,692
Speaker 24: called a CRPS. It's called a conflict regional pain syndrome. Right,

2033
01:41:43,372 --> 01:41:45,932
Speaker 24: it is something Third November is a day to watch out.

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01:41:46,173 --> 01:41:49,253
Speaker 24: We support CRIPS on third November around the world. And

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Speaker 24: it's a very rare kind of a thing that happens.

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Speaker 24: And I can't read anymore because my nerve plays up

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01:41:55,333 --> 01:41:59,933
Speaker 24: and my eye twitches. I have now moved to audiobooks.

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01:42:00,133 --> 01:42:02,172
Speaker 4: Oh yes, yeah, yeah.

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01:42:01,973 --> 01:42:05,652
Speaker 24: So this is something which is actually keeping me saying

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01:42:05,652 --> 01:42:08,013
Speaker 24: I should say, because I have always read so many

2041
01:42:08,093 --> 01:42:10,732
Speaker 24: bookooks and then all of a sudden life change where

2042
01:42:10,772 --> 01:42:13,613
Speaker 24: I can't even read a paragraph with concentration.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, Because when we were talking about decreased attention span,

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01:42:18,692 --> 01:42:21,213
Speaker 4: but this has been forced upon you. It's it's a

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01:42:21,293 --> 01:42:23,053
Speaker 4: very different, different thing, isn't it.

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01:42:23,372 --> 01:42:25,853
Speaker 24: Yeah, it's due to our injury.

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01:42:25,812 --> 01:42:26,052
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: But then thankfully with we say technology comes with goods

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01:42:31,133 --> 01:42:33,572
Speaker 24: and bad. This is something positive that has happened, that

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01:42:33,652 --> 01:42:38,333
Speaker 24: there are audiobooks that are available and recently I am reading,

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01:42:38,612 --> 01:42:41,213
Speaker 24: I'm listening. I should say I still use the word reading,

2052
01:42:41,253 --> 01:42:44,213
Speaker 24: because that's how a book is supposed to be read.

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01:42:45,093 --> 01:42:48,253
Speaker 24: I'm listening to Shoe Dog, Shoot Dog.

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01:42:48,452 --> 01:42:52,133
Speaker 4: Oh, shoe Dog. Okay, yeah, I think I've heard about.

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01:42:51,853 --> 01:42:57,572
Speaker 3: Shoe Dog, the shoes we know, the man the book

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01:42:57,572 --> 01:42:58,572
Speaker 3: about Noisy Nike.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, it's amazing and more the way it has been narrated,

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Speaker 24: Because I thought reading is one thing, but when someone

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01:43:07,692 --> 01:43:11,412
Speaker 24: is narrating on the audiobooks, people who are reading there,

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01:43:11,893 --> 01:43:15,452
Speaker 24: they have art of reading. And who the way they

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01:43:15,492 --> 01:43:16,212
Speaker 24: read the books?

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01:43:16,772 --> 01:43:17,532
Speaker 3: Who narrates it?

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01:43:17,612 --> 01:43:17,892
Speaker 7: Do you know?

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01:43:18,013 --> 01:43:19,612
Speaker 3: Is it Phil Knight himself.

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01:43:19,293 --> 01:43:22,892
Speaker 24: Or is it no, not him? I guess, but I

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01:43:22,933 --> 01:43:26,772
Speaker 24: haven't because I can't read. You see, I I didn't

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01:43:26,772 --> 01:43:29,453
Speaker 24: know homework on it. But the way it has been narrated.

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Speaker 24: I have fallen in love with word and I would

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01:43:31,893 --> 01:43:36,412
Speaker 24: like to travel more and see the things. Yeah, so

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Speaker 24: it's just changing my life. I am more focused on

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01:43:39,093 --> 01:43:44,133
Speaker 24: it and it's amazing thing to read. But over the years,

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01:43:44,572 --> 01:43:47,293
Speaker 24: I wonder if this is something that people should You know,

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01:43:47,333 --> 01:43:49,372
Speaker 24: how we have lost the art of writing when the

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01:43:49,452 --> 01:43:52,333
Speaker 24: letters are going, emails and phone calls have taken place

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01:43:52,412 --> 01:43:57,173
Speaker 24: in the people are losing that. But it's at home.

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01:43:57,213 --> 01:44:00,412
Speaker 24: We need to encourage your kids. So every time we

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01:44:00,532 --> 01:44:02,812
Speaker 24: go out, I still buy books which I am not

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01:44:02,933 --> 01:44:05,173
Speaker 24: able to read, and then I put them on the

2079
01:44:05,213 --> 01:44:08,612
Speaker 24: table and leave it for my family to pick them

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01:44:08,692 --> 01:44:11,293
Speaker 24: up and decide what they want to read next from there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how lovely. Yeah, good on you. And you're right.

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01:44:14,492 --> 01:44:16,612
Speaker 3: I mean the world of audio books for you know,

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01:44:16,853 --> 01:44:19,093
Speaker 3: someone like yourself that needs them to stall. You've got

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01:44:19,093 --> 01:44:21,732
Speaker 3: that love of reading, but sadly you can't read anymore.

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01:44:21,933 --> 01:44:24,412
Speaker 3: But I love audio books, I mean because I so accessible.

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01:44:24,452 --> 01:44:26,852
Speaker 3: When I'm driving in the car, it stuck in traffic,

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01:44:27,253 --> 01:44:29,012
Speaker 3: if I'm going for a week walk with the dog,

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01:44:29,333 --> 01:44:31,692
Speaker 3: it is. Yeah, just make some way more excitible.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.

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01:44:32,133 --> 01:44:35,012
Speaker 2: There's this if you if you like Stephen king Box,

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01:44:35,053 --> 01:44:37,732
Speaker 2: with which I happen to like, there's most of the

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01:44:37,732 --> 01:44:40,173
Speaker 2: books recently been read by this actor called Will Patton.

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01:44:40,652 --> 01:44:42,732
Speaker 2: So he read The Outsider that I've just listened to,

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01:44:43,013 --> 01:44:45,652
Speaker 2: and if it bleeds as well. And he's just he's

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01:44:45,772 --> 01:44:48,732
Speaker 2: an actor. You'll have seen him in so many movies

2096
01:44:49,173 --> 01:44:51,692
Speaker 2: over the years. But he also reads Stephen King's books

2097
01:44:52,333 --> 01:44:55,532
Speaker 2: and his reading is just so good of the books

2098
01:44:55,652 --> 01:44:59,293
Speaker 2: that that that draws you in just getting this really

2099
01:44:59,372 --> 01:45:02,652
Speaker 2: great actor to read these Stephen King box It's it's

2100
01:45:02,692 --> 01:45:05,452
Speaker 2: mind blowing how good he is and it's fantastic. So

2101
01:45:05,692 --> 01:45:08,253
Speaker 2: if you like Stephen King, I totally recommend The Outside

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01:45:08,812 --> 01:45:10,013
Speaker 2: which is one I just listened to.

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01:45:11,133 --> 01:45:13,372
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you very much, just and I've just

2104
01:45:13,372 --> 01:45:15,772
Speaker 3: looked up there act as you say, he's in so

2105
01:45:15,772 --> 01:45:19,132
Speaker 3: many things gone in sixty seconds, and I remember his voice.

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01:45:19,173 --> 01:45:20,892
Speaker 4: He's got a hell of a voice there. It does.

2107
01:45:21,213 --> 01:45:23,772
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, my son is special needs and nonverbal. I

2108
01:45:23,812 --> 01:45:26,132
Speaker 2: read to him in the evening when he has a child,

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01:45:26,532 --> 01:45:28,972
Speaker 2: when he was a child. He still is pretty much nonverbal,

2110
01:45:29,013 --> 01:45:31,253
Speaker 2: but gosh can he write and is a good speller,

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01:45:32,013 --> 01:45:33,133
Speaker 2: probably better than his mom.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, love that. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: the number to call. What is reading look like for you?

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01:45:38,853 --> 01:45:40,532
Speaker 3: Or in your household at the moment, have you made

2115
01:45:40,572 --> 01:45:42,133
Speaker 3: a considered effort to get back into it.

2116
01:45:42,293 --> 01:45:44,013
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what not a lot of people are.

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01:45:44,293 --> 01:45:46,973
Speaker 2: Because initially I said, put out the call, do you

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01:45:46,973 --> 01:45:51,172
Speaker 2: feel yourself getting dumber? Because I interviewed the neuroscientist Sam Harris,

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01:45:51,532 --> 01:45:54,293
Speaker 2: and he was saying that he struggles to read a book, right,

2120
01:45:54,333 --> 01:45:56,772
Speaker 2: even though he's a neuroscientist, does this and read so

2121
01:45:56,853 --> 01:45:58,612
Speaker 2: much in his life, written a bunch of books. But

2122
01:45:58,732 --> 01:46:01,852
Speaker 2: very smart man, but he thinks that his attention span

2123
01:46:01,893 --> 01:46:08,293
Speaker 2: has been diminished so much by you know, digital device

2124
01:46:08,532 --> 01:46:12,333
Speaker 2: and stuff that he now, even this incredibly smart man

2125
01:46:12,372 --> 01:46:14,093
Speaker 2: finds it really hard to sit down and read.

2126
01:46:14,213 --> 01:46:17,013
Speaker 3: That makes me feel slightly better off. Sam Harris is

2127
01:46:17,053 --> 01:46:19,772
Speaker 3: having problems with it, then that is good for me. Right, Oh,

2128
01:46:19,853 --> 01:46:22,093
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2129
01:46:22,133 --> 01:46:24,652
Speaker 3: We'll take a few more calls on this. It is

2130
01:46:24,772 --> 01:46:25,572
Speaker 3: eighteen to four.

2131
01:46:26,572 --> 01:46:28,972
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and if it have fun

2132
01:46:29,013 --> 01:46:32,932
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks,

2133
01:46:32,933 --> 01:46:33,293
Speaker 1: they'd be.

2134
01:46:34,173 --> 01:46:37,492
Speaker 3: It is sixteen to four. Chris, very good afternoon to you.

2135
01:46:38,772 --> 01:46:41,732
Speaker 3: How you doing very good reading? Are you getting back

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01:46:41,732 --> 01:46:42,932
Speaker 3: into it. Have you always loved it?

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01:46:44,812 --> 01:46:48,692
Speaker 23: Well, it's a funny story. When I started school at

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01:46:48,692 --> 01:46:50,933
Speaker 23: the end of the first day. I only found this

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01:46:51,053 --> 01:46:52,732
Speaker 23: out when the teacher left. But at the end of

2140
01:46:52,732 --> 01:46:54,652
Speaker 23: the first day I went up to her balling the

2141
01:46:54,692 --> 01:46:56,532
Speaker 23: eyes out, and she said, what's wrong? And I said,

2142
01:46:56,572 --> 01:47:00,812
Speaker 23: you haven't taught me to read. So that was on

2143
01:47:00,893 --> 01:47:03,213
Speaker 23: day one. And yeah, by the time I was sort

2144
01:47:03,253 --> 01:47:07,652
Speaker 23: of keen, I was reading Robinson Crusoe and Robert Louis

2145
01:47:07,652 --> 01:47:10,653
Speaker 23: Stephenson and Mark Twain and the likes.

2146
01:47:11,732 --> 01:47:14,133
Speaker 3: So how did you transition so on day one? And

2147
01:47:14,213 --> 01:47:16,333
Speaker 3: yet you've got a bit upset with the teacher because

2148
01:47:16,372 --> 01:47:18,572
Speaker 3: you didn't taught you to read. Did you just take

2149
01:47:18,612 --> 01:47:24,092
Speaker 3: it upon yourself to figure it out?

2150
01:47:24,572 --> 01:47:25,532
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not sure.

2151
01:47:25,532 --> 01:47:28,133
Speaker 23: I can't remember. I mean, I guess I was taughtive here.

2152
01:47:28,173 --> 01:47:31,133
Speaker 23: But yeah, I was an avid reader from as long

2153
01:47:31,173 --> 01:47:34,052
Speaker 23: as I can remember, so I was always reading books

2154
01:47:34,053 --> 01:47:38,612
Speaker 23: at night when I was supposed to be asleep. So yeah,

2155
01:47:38,692 --> 01:47:41,692
Speaker 23: I don't I don't read so much these days though, And.

2156
01:47:41,612 --> 01:47:43,053
Speaker 3: Why don't you read so much these days?

2157
01:47:43,133 --> 01:47:43,452
Speaker 17: Chris?

2158
01:47:45,492 --> 01:47:47,572
Speaker 23: Probably just I don't know, lazy.

2159
01:47:47,652 --> 01:47:49,013
Speaker 7: I guess you.

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Speaker 4: Don't think that your attention attention span has been decreased

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Speaker 4: by technology, as this Economist article.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I didn't write a book a couple

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Speaker 23: of years ago, but yeah, that was sort of as

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Speaker 23: much as I've done on the way reading and.

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Speaker 4: Lately called and what was it on? Chris?

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Speaker 23: Uh, it's called Screeching Possums and Sleepy Sticks, and.

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Speaker 4: It's basically great name.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, it's I spend a lot of time in the

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Speaker 23: bush trapping possums and I have I have a dog,

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Speaker 23: and it's basically the story is written through her eyes.

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Speaker 23: That's it's not it's everything. Everything in the book happened.

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Speaker 23: It's back to I just tried to put a sort

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Speaker 23: of amusing spin on it.

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Speaker 4: So love it.

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Speaker 3: I've just had a look at it and you can

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Speaker 3: still get it from Rod and Rifle.

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Speaker 17: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Screeching Possums and Sleepy Sticks, The Adventures of Rose Riddle,

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Speaker 3: a Harry bush Dog.

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Speaker 23: That's the one.

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Speaker 4: I love it. And so what's what's your full name?

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Speaker 4: What's Chris who Riddle?

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Speaker 19: All right?

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Speaker 4: Double look that book up. Well, Yeah, thank you so

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Speaker 4: much for you called Chris good Man.

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Speaker 2: One of my sons hated reading and his high school

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01:49:06,893 --> 01:49:10,253
Speaker 2: English teacher wrote in his he acts as those reading.

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Speaker 4: Causes some physical pain. I've seen this.

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Speaker 2: And as as an adult, he discovered Andy McNair books

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Speaker 2: about the essays and he started reading. He just needed

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Speaker 2: to find a subject that interested him. He now reads

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Speaker 2: to his own kids every day. My primary school teacher

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Speaker 2: used to read a chapter of the line Watching the

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Speaker 2: Wardrobe to us every day and we absolutely loved it.

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Speaker 4: It's a fantastic book, that cs Lewis book.

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Speaker 8: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Certainly he is re witty. If I said that quickly, yes, hey,

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Speaker 3: how are you.

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Speaker 25: Hi, I'm good, thank you, And this is about reading

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Speaker 25: the book. I'm not a very good book addict.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 25: We have a three year old granddaughter yep, and she

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Speaker 25: played if she comes to our house place for ten minutes,

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Speaker 25: and then immediately she looks at my husband she calls

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Speaker 25: him Tata, Tata, can we read a book now? And

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Speaker 25: we thought, you know, once in a while she'll do this. No,

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Speaker 25: every time she comes, she wants books to be read.

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Speaker 25: She's just three years old. You see, she can't read yet,

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Speaker 25: but she recognizes upper case, lower casey you know, alphabets, everything,

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Speaker 25: and it's it's amazing. One day when I went to

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Speaker 25: their house. There is a book about a labin, ninety

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Speaker 25: five pages, one book somebody had gifted her, and she said, Grandma,

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Speaker 25: can you read this Nanama to me? I said, yes,

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Speaker 25: I'll read it. And I said, Michia, this is ninety

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Speaker 25: five pages. Yes, you read it.

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Speaker 24: You won't believe.

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Speaker 21: She sat in my lap in the.

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Speaker 25: Sixty fifty page and I said, I lost patience, Misha,

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Speaker 25: can we do something else?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? Wow, beautiful, it's amazing.

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Speaker 25: Is that how she loves books?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really cool. A smart gran sixty five pages

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Speaker 4: is pretty good.

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Speaker 2: So we've been talking about books and how people are

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Speaker 2: struggling to read them now and they're the plummeting attention

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Speaker 2: span and what this means for the dumbing down of

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Speaker 2: society and people's ability to understand complex political situations. And

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Speaker 2: Tony here says, it's because the visual presentation does the

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Speaker 2: work for you, whereas in reading, your mind does the visualizing.

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Speaker 2: It's doing its own creative work. I mean, that's been

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Speaker 2: showing over and again in studies that reading is so

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Speaker 2: good for your brain because there's so much more involved.

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Speaker 4: Yep, you have to read it.

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Speaker 2: Comprehend it, imagine it as opposed is to sitting like

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Speaker 2: an absolute vegetable loser, slumped over with your head shoulders hunched,

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01:51:50,692 --> 01:51:53,293
Speaker 2: just doom, scrolling through tiptop brain rot.

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Speaker 4: I mean, of course reading a book is better than that.

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01:51:56,333 --> 01:51:59,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely right. We've got to play some messages, but

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Speaker 3: we'll get to a few more of your takes on

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Speaker 3: nine two nine two. It is ten to four.

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Speaker 4: Boys.

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Speaker 2: If you think digital devices are dumbing us down, just

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01:52:08,572 --> 01:52:10,612
Speaker 2: imagine what AI is doing to us. I mean, that

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01:52:10,732 --> 01:52:14,492
Speaker 2: is a whole level of concern that people aren't even

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Speaker 2: doing the basics. I mean, we were talking the other

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Speaker 2: day about how the loss of cash has badly decreased

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01:52:20,772 --> 01:52:25,652
Speaker 2: people's ability to calculate simple, simple equations because they don't

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Speaker 2: even put out change anymore. AI is araising people's ability

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Speaker 2: to think, even even a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It is terrifying. Right, it is ten to four beg

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Speaker 3: Very shortly, you're listening to Matt and Tyler the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything

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01:52:41,492 --> 01:52:45,492
Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

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Speaker 3: Be it's seven and four, Viv. We're pretty short on time,

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Speaker 3: but we wanted to hear your story. Good afternoon, Good afternoon, guys.

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Speaker 26: Hey listen, I'm a teacher in a secondary school English

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Speaker 26: and I have got year nine and ten and eleven

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01:53:02,013 --> 01:53:06,253
Speaker 26: year old eleven students and they love listening to me

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Speaker 26: actually read the novel. Are we doing all these novel studies?

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Speaker 26: And they will actually say, oh can we can we

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Speaker 26: have you reach withsmaths please and they just put the

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Speaker 26: heads on the decks and they just love it.

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Speaker 4: So what kind of box a you're reading to them,

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Speaker 4: viv Oh.

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Speaker 22: We're doing things like reading things like.

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Speaker 26: Murduh, the play Murder, but also things like Trash, a

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Speaker 26: novel which is set in the Philippines, and also a

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01:53:38,933 --> 01:53:42,372
Speaker 26: really cool short story called Sniper, which was about the

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Speaker 26: troubles in Ireland, and really really amazing stuff.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like you're surcing some quite you know, you're

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Speaker 4: not going for the obvious ones. You're sourcing some pretty

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Speaker 4: interesting stuff there.

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Speaker 26: Oh No, absolutely another novel called Kurda Tower which is

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Speaker 26: really fantastic, which is a New Zealand novel and these

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Speaker 26: kids just adore it.

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Speaker 4: Good on, how awesome?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what a great teacher are you are? And that's

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Speaker 3: fantastic to hear that. They they still love to be

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Speaker 3: read too at high school.

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Speaker 2: Well, after all that, there are a lot of people

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01:54:14,452 --> 01:54:16,772
Speaker 2: that seems to be reading. But this article and the

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Speaker 2: economists points out, if you stop reading, you get dumber,

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01:54:22,253 --> 01:54:24,532
Speaker 2: and the more people that stop reading, the dumber and

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01:54:24,612 --> 01:54:28,133
Speaker 2: dumber we're going to get as a society. And then

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01:54:28,452 --> 01:54:30,892
Speaker 2: it's getting to the point where people can't understand politics

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01:54:30,933 --> 01:54:33,093
Speaker 2: at all. And as I've been saying for the last

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Speaker 2: two hours, if you're getting your politics off TikTok or

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01:54:35,333 --> 01:54:37,892
Speaker 2: by doom scrolling, you're not actually getting any politics at all.

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01:54:37,893 --> 01:54:38,893
Speaker 4: You're being manipulated.

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01:54:38,973 --> 01:54:39,133
Speaker 8: Yep.

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01:54:39,213 --> 01:54:41,293
Speaker 3: Stop there, get a book, go down to the library,

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01:54:41,333 --> 01:54:42,373
Speaker 3: turn this around.

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01:54:42,293 --> 01:54:44,653
Speaker 4: Read all sides of the issue if you possibly can,

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01:54:44,733 --> 01:54:47,533
Speaker 4: even though it's painful, once you get over that threshold

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Speaker 4: of trying to read a bit more and a bit

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Speaker 4: longer than it becomes enjoyable.

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Speaker 24: Yep.

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01:54:52,333 --> 01:54:56,213
Speaker 4: Otherwise you just doom to slowly erase your brain over time.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 4: All right, Thank you so much for listening over the

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Speaker 4: last three to four hours of Matt and Tyler Afternoons.

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Speaker 2: The full show podcast will be up any minute now

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Speaker 2: if you miss anything. Their powerful Heather dupless Ellen is

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Speaker 2: up next, but right now, Tyler, Why am I playing

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Speaker 2: this song my good friend grambling on.

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01:55:17,413 --> 01:55:19,613
Speaker 3: I actually have no idea. You're making this harder and harder?

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Speaker 8: Is it?

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01:55:20,013 --> 01:55:22,453
Speaker 3: Because and I had to look at the lyrics because

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Speaker 3: they mentioned Mordor and Gollum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure if rock Plant had even read

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01:55:27,133 --> 01:55:29,213
Speaker 2: the box, but because he says, twas in the darkest

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01:55:29,253 --> 01:55:32,052
Speaker 2: depths of Mortar, I met a girl so fair, but Gollum,

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Speaker 2: the evil one, crept up and slipped away with her.

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Speaker 4: It didn't really happen in the books, but Lord of

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01:55:37,013 --> 01:55:40,173
Speaker 4: the Rings fantastic books. If you want to read something great,

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Speaker 4: read those.

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Speaker 3: Yeap, love it nicely done.

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Speaker 4: That is us for today. Yeah, until tomorrow, where you

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Speaker 4: are and whatever you're doing, give him a taste of

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Speaker 4: key we from asked Love you is See you tomorrow

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Speaker 4: for another edition of Matt and Tyler Afternoon's.

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Speaker 17: On CP.

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01:56:05,013 --> 01:56:05,892
Speaker 22: Matt Tyler.

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