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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at B with d I Y gets

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Speaker 1: Unstuck Cool eighteen eight. The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: and Independent Building supplies the future of Kiwi building Today

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Speaker 2: B A house sizzle even when it's dark, even when

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Speaker 2: the grass is overgrown in the yard, and even when

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Speaker 3: Is too old to bar, and when you're sitting at

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Speaker 3: the table trying not to start house scissor.

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Speaker 4: Home even when we are then, even when you're there, houses.

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Speaker 3: A home given, when those ghost given, when you go

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Speaker 3: around from the ones you love your most scream does

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Speaker 3: broken pants, appeing in front of wor.

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Speaker 2: Locals lisball when they're gone.

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Speaker 5: And leaving their.

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Speaker 4: House even when wilban, even when you're in there alone.

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Speaker 6: Well, very very good morning, and a warm welcome to

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Speaker 6: you all to the Resident Builder on Sunday with me

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Speaker 6: Peter wolf Camp, The Resident Builder. An opportunity this morning

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Speaker 6: seized the day I think it is. If you've got

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Speaker 6: a question about building construction, the rules, the regulation, the

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Speaker 6: products that you might need, the contractors that you might

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Speaker 6: want to engage with, all of these things, we can

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Speaker 6: talk about on the show this morning. So we're here

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Speaker 6: to talk building. We're here to talk the practical stuff,

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Speaker 6: you know, the door that rattles in the wind, or

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Speaker 6: the wind that blows through the joinery. And if you're

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Speaker 6: sitting inside your house as the weather's finally stunning to

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Speaker 6: get cold, al Low, we had one of those hot,

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Speaker 6: sticky nights the other night where if you've closed the

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Speaker 6: curtains and you notice that there's this constant movement, it's

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Speaker 6: probably time to think. Ge I wonder if I added

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Speaker 6: some draft seals to those windows. Maybe it would stop

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Speaker 6: the cold air from filtering in. It would stop the

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Speaker 6: warm air that I'm going to create over the winter

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Speaker 6: from escaping out through the joinery. So there's that practical

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Speaker 6: stuff that we can talk about. There's also all of

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Speaker 6: the rules and regulations. I spent actually yesterday with the

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Speaker 6: New Zealand Institute of Building Surveys. They, as part of

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Speaker 6: their sort of continued professional development, attend a number of

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Speaker 6: training days. So one of those training days was yesterday

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Speaker 6: here in Auckland with a whole series of speakers and

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Speaker 6: bit surprised, delighted, but surprise at the same time. So

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Speaker 6: the head of building Compliance Well Building within mby David Hall,

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Speaker 6: was one of the keynote speakers yesterday, which was awesome,

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Speaker 6: and we were chatting a bit and he goes, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I was sent to the show the other day, so

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Speaker 6: you don't know who listens. I realized the other day

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Speaker 6: talking to one of my bosses here at newss Ebers

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Speaker 6: and during the week that they listen as well. I

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Speaker 6: kind of forget about that because I kind of approached

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Speaker 6: the show and go, I'm talking to you when you call,

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Speaker 6: and well, if other people are listening, I guess that's

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Speaker 6: just the nature of it. So anyway, let's get into it.

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Speaker 6: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?

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Speaker 6: Whyde you know? It's a it's a broad palette that

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Speaker 6: we can choose from. As I said about the practical,

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Speaker 6: about the theoretical, about the sometimes confusing range of choices

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Speaker 6: in the right situation. So how do you go about

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Speaker 6: making those decisions that discernment around what product to use

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Speaker 6: for which application? And then there is that whole thing

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Speaker 6: the other day for me as well. I went along

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Speaker 6: so a whole lot of distributors that have their products

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Speaker 6: the granny flat legislation. And it's fair to say the

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Speaker 6: which was interesting, and that was one of the seminars

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Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Actually, there's been a

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Speaker 6: that we might talk about, including seeing a blower door

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Speaker 6: and interesting to note in that instance, the blower door

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Speaker 6: Stark so uPVC Jowinery. Whole house had it, and you

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Speaker 6: know it's a critical part of getting a high performance

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Speaker 6: air tight dwelling is the quality of the joinery that

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Speaker 6: Brands the other day. Brands, which is the building research

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Speaker 6: So that's coming up next week as well. But later

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Speaker 6: on this morning, Bryce McDermott, our painting expert from Razine,

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Speaker 6: text questions as well. You can fire those through nine

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Speaker 6: But right now the lines are open. The number to call,

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Speaker 6: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Let's get into it. Keith,

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Speaker 6: good morning, Good morning, Pete. Greetings Pete.

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Speaker 7: I just wonder if you've got to had a little

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Speaker 7: job similar to mine. I've got my gable, a decromastic roof.

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Speaker 7: I've got gable and the facier the badge borders rotten,

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Speaker 7: put a scup quite high. I was going to put

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Speaker 7: I was wondering, if you've ever done a job like that,

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Speaker 7: or if not, I should work with the flashing. Would

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Speaker 7: I made a galvanized iron or a zinc or an

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Speaker 7: aluminium flashing?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Look, you know what I like about your idea is

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Speaker 6: that it's a really practical solution to the problem.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 6: So the problem is that obviously the barge board's rotting.

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Speaker 6: You know that there's a bit of decay. Getting them

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Speaker 6: process in terms of you have to strip the barge flashing,

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Speaker 6: You've got to pull the facier board off. Chances are

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Speaker 6: five er cent sheet for the safit that tucks into

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Speaker 6: make sure you don't break that. You've got to get

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Speaker 6: a new part, you know, that's the process right if

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Speaker 6: you want to to replace it, But what you're really

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Speaker 6: wanting to do is to ensure that that rot doesn't well,

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Speaker 6: it will continue even if you cover it. But you could,

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Speaker 6: like when you're up there doing the flashing, I would

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Speaker 6: treat that rot with a timber preservative. It's relatively easy

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Speaker 6: to do. But then it's a really straightforward solution to

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Speaker 6: go if I make a flashing that tucks up underneath

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Speaker 6: the barge flashing comes down loops underneath the bottom of

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Speaker 6: the barge board and then either has a drip edge

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Speaker 6: on it or a return, because what you don't want

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Speaker 6: to make sure that any moisture that hits it drains

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Speaker 6: drip edge of some description or return that means water

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Speaker 6: it won't track in there. But then yeah, do that.

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Speaker 6: You could even sort of pre paint it on the

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Speaker 6: ground and then install it, and it's a practical solution

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Speaker 6: to basically you know, it tidies it up, stops more

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Speaker 6: board sitting on top of the safe and potentially tracking

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Speaker 6: inside towards your framing, which is a much bigger problem.

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Speaker 7: Okay, so yeah, go for it. So would you use

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Speaker 7: gilvanized iron or zinc or element.

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Speaker 6: Basically if you're going to get them done well, Actually,

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Speaker 6: one option would be to go and ask someone to

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Speaker 6: make it out of color steel. Then it's already got

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Speaker 6: a color on it, right, and most people that do

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Speaker 6: flashings have got you know, they'll have coils of various colors,

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Speaker 6: more common ones. So you could have it done in

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Speaker 6: color steel, in which case when you put it up,

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Speaker 6: it's finished, right because it's already got a color on it.

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Speaker 6: So choose the color, get the flashing detailed, install it.

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Speaker 6: The junction at the top, that miter at the top,

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Speaker 6: that's kind of a critical junction. If you slide one

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Speaker 6: them together. So if you overlap that miter at the top,

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Speaker 6: so it's not a mister, it's actually a lapped joint.

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Speaker 6: That will help stop water getting in there as well.

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Speaker 7: Okay, great, thank you, thank you very much for help.

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Speaker 6: And be careful on scaffold.

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Speaker 7: Eighty five. I have to watch it.

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Speaker 6: That's fantastic. It's a practical, sensible solution to the issue.

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Speaker 1: Measure twice call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 10: Oh good morning, Pete.

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Speaker 6: Great, that's wrong.

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Speaker 10: Just like the promote here Wooden Boat Festival down at

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Speaker 6: To everybody, I am sorely tempted, I have to say,

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Speaker 10: And the event center that's there the events send the

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Speaker 6: down for that. That'll be awesome. Oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 6: Someone's asked me to repeat some of that flashing advice.

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Speaker 9: Put a lot of posts.

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Speaker 6: you know, various government departments. But of course they get

433
00:25:11,935 --> 00:25:15,175
Speaker 6: updated as well, so you've got things like you know

434
00:25:15,255 --> 00:25:18,455
Speaker 6: today it's mb looks after building and construction. So the

435
00:25:18,855 --> 00:25:22,975
Speaker 6: building sector, it used to be the building Industry Authority.

436
00:25:23,015 --> 00:25:26,335
Speaker 6: It used to be Department of Building and Housing and

437
00:25:26,375 --> 00:25:30,135
Speaker 6: so on. I guess there's standards New Zealand.

438
00:25:33,015 --> 00:25:37,855
Speaker 11: Well, in the early days there used to be stamped.

439
00:25:37,775 --> 00:25:39,895
Speaker 6: Every time, right, yes, yes.

440
00:25:40,335 --> 00:25:43,295
Speaker 11: But not anymore so, like a lot of things.

441
00:25:43,055 --> 00:25:47,735
Speaker 6: Are they not. So if you if you go down

442
00:25:47,815 --> 00:25:50,735
Speaker 6: to farmlands or wherever you happen to buy your posts

443
00:25:50,775 --> 00:25:54,735
Speaker 6: from these days, they wouldn't have an identifier on each

444
00:25:55,335 --> 00:25:58,255
Speaker 6: post saying this is this is who made it, and

445
00:25:58,615 --> 00:26:01,935
Speaker 6: then that there's also a way of tracking the preservative

446
00:26:01,975 --> 00:26:03,495
Speaker 6: process that might have gone into it.

447
00:26:04,175 --> 00:26:06,255
Speaker 11: I'm pretty sure there's not a burnt.

448
00:26:06,895 --> 00:26:09,255
Speaker 6: Right, Okay, yep.

449
00:26:10,215 --> 00:26:17,175
Speaker 11: That was the idea in the past to guarantee the

450
00:26:17,575 --> 00:26:21,855
Speaker 11: yeah and yeah.

451
00:26:21,895 --> 00:26:25,615
Speaker 6: So look, I kind of feel your pain in the

452
00:26:25,615 --> 00:26:28,615
Speaker 6: sense that earlier this year I spent a better part

453
00:26:28,615 --> 00:26:32,575
Speaker 6: of a day digging out rotten fence posts, just good

454
00:26:32,575 --> 00:26:36,695
Speaker 6: old fashioned three to two tantalized rough sword fence posts

455
00:26:36,695 --> 00:26:40,575
Speaker 6: in a residential fence that had been set in concrete,

456
00:26:40,735 --> 00:26:44,495
Speaker 6: so they'd all started to rot at the top. A

457
00:26:44,535 --> 00:26:46,695
Speaker 6: couple of them had snapped off. We'd prop the fence

458
00:26:46,775 --> 00:26:48,215
Speaker 6: up and it was like, right, I've got to do

459
00:26:48,255 --> 00:26:50,735
Speaker 6: something about it. So cut the panels out, take the

460
00:26:50,815 --> 00:26:53,375
Speaker 6: rotten piece out, then had to sort of break up

461
00:26:53,455 --> 00:26:55,655
Speaker 6: the concrete, dig our way down because I needed to

462
00:26:55,655 --> 00:26:58,775
Speaker 6: put the new posts in the exact location that the

463
00:26:58,815 --> 00:27:01,095
Speaker 6: old ones had been in because I wanted to reuse

464
00:27:01,135 --> 00:27:03,375
Speaker 6: the panels. So then you've got to dig down through

465
00:27:03,415 --> 00:27:07,815
Speaker 6: six hundred mili of concrete, get those out, and then

466
00:27:08,335 --> 00:27:12,215
Speaker 6: put a new post in. But that the tip there.

467
00:27:12,255 --> 00:27:14,255
Speaker 6: I know it doesn't apply to you because typically you're

468
00:27:15,015 --> 00:27:16,935
Speaker 6: if they were they all got in or were they

469
00:27:16,975 --> 00:27:20,255
Speaker 6: driven in the piles? Do you think are driven in right?

470
00:27:20,535 --> 00:27:22,695
Speaker 6: So getting them out? Can you get them out? Or

471
00:27:22,735 --> 00:27:24,295
Speaker 6: do you just put a new one in next to you?

472
00:27:24,375 --> 00:27:26,175
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, don't get me.

473
00:27:26,295 --> 00:27:28,775
Speaker 7: Well, it's not sure.

474
00:27:28,935 --> 00:27:29,975
Speaker 6: It's just the occasion of.

475
00:27:31,855 --> 00:27:33,135
Speaker 11: It'll clip one or something.

476
00:27:33,775 --> 00:27:37,015
Speaker 6: Look, I do wonder whether there was a time when

477
00:27:37,095 --> 00:27:41,095
Speaker 6: we tried different preservatives often in the hope that we

478
00:27:41,175 --> 00:27:43,975
Speaker 6: would find something that was a little bit more environmentally friendly.

479
00:27:44,335 --> 00:27:49,335
Speaker 6: So typically timber preservatives have been CCA, so copper chromium

480
00:27:49,455 --> 00:27:53,935
Speaker 6: arsenic and that worked. But of course people freak out

481
00:27:53,935 --> 00:27:55,415
Speaker 6: when you go, oh, I'm going to put lots of

482
00:27:55,495 --> 00:27:59,495
Speaker 6: arsenic into my timber. And then I know, again in

483
00:27:59,535 --> 00:28:03,295
Speaker 6: a residential construction. We tried things like Ali sop so

484
00:28:03,415 --> 00:28:08,255
Speaker 6: light organic solvent preservatives. That was pretty much useless because

485
00:28:09,455 --> 00:28:12,215
Speaker 6: last year I ended up ripping up my twenty year

486
00:28:12,255 --> 00:28:16,375
Speaker 6: old tongue and groove deck because all the ends had rotted. Yeah,

487
00:28:16,775 --> 00:28:18,975
Speaker 6: because that stuff doesn't work. So now that I've put

488
00:28:19,055 --> 00:28:24,615
Speaker 6: down new five tongue and groove, that's all H three

489
00:28:24,735 --> 00:28:27,495
Speaker 6: treated H three point two. Yeah, the.

490
00:28:29,415 --> 00:28:31,735
Speaker 11: Skill to be cheaper and cheaper and quaker.

491
00:28:32,255 --> 00:28:32,495
Speaker 7: Yeah.

492
00:28:32,575 --> 00:28:35,335
Speaker 6: I suppose in your situation with such a long line,

493
00:28:35,455 --> 00:28:38,655
Speaker 6: you'd just go through driving a new pile next to your,

494
00:28:38,735 --> 00:28:41,535
Speaker 6: close to the other one, attached the wires to that,

495
00:28:41,655 --> 00:28:43,255
Speaker 6: and just let the other one sit there. You wouldn't

496
00:28:43,255 --> 00:28:46,215
Speaker 6: even bother pulling it out, would you? No, Well, I

497
00:28:46,255 --> 00:28:47,615
Speaker 6: go through the effort of pulling it out.

498
00:28:48,255 --> 00:28:52,375
Speaker 11: Yeah, but you know it's a twenty dollars post. Yeah.

499
00:28:52,735 --> 00:28:57,295
Speaker 6: Hey, have you ever used the new plastic posts that

500
00:28:57,335 --> 00:28:58,455
Speaker 6: are out there, the safe post?

501
00:28:59,775 --> 00:29:02,615
Speaker 11: I've looked at them. Yeah, they look great.

502
00:29:02,815 --> 00:29:06,135
Speaker 6: Gotta be tempting, isn't it. I mean, you know that

503
00:29:06,135 --> 00:29:10,935
Speaker 6: the damn thing's never going to rot. Yeah, I know,

504
00:29:11,095 --> 00:29:14,255
Speaker 6: but I you know, if we know something about plastic,

505
00:29:14,295 --> 00:29:16,535
Speaker 6: the whole reason you know we're trying to move away

506
00:29:16,535 --> 00:29:19,015
Speaker 6: from it in a sense is because it doesn't it

507
00:29:19,175 --> 00:29:21,735
Speaker 6: lasts forever, right, so we put in landfill its there forever.

508
00:29:22,135 --> 00:29:24,015
Speaker 6: So you make it into a post, put it in

509
00:29:24,055 --> 00:29:27,135
Speaker 6: the ground. We're not going to be having conversation twenty

510
00:29:27,215 --> 00:29:30,935
Speaker 6: five years about the thing rotting, are we No?

511
00:29:30,935 --> 00:29:33,135
Speaker 11: No, no, But in a lot of cases.

512
00:29:33,815 --> 00:29:36,935
Speaker 6: Yeah, it doesn't stay there that long, and it's worth

513
00:29:36,935 --> 00:29:37,615
Speaker 6: looking at though.

514
00:29:38,495 --> 00:29:40,895
Speaker 11: Yeah, you've got to go into the post too.

515
00:29:40,815 --> 00:29:45,055
Speaker 6: You know, right, okay, yep, Yeah, it's not always practical,

516
00:29:45,135 --> 00:29:47,455
Speaker 6: but there's a place for it.

517
00:29:48,175 --> 00:29:51,855
Speaker 13: Yeah, sure, Yeah, absolutely hate lovely chatting with you.

518
00:29:52,575 --> 00:29:55,975
Speaker 6: Thanks all, best, take care and if I find out

519
00:29:56,015 --> 00:29:58,935
Speaker 6: any information about timber treatments. I think we have gone

520
00:29:58,975 --> 00:30:03,895
Speaker 6: through periods of time when different treatment processes were applied,

521
00:30:04,295 --> 00:30:06,335
Speaker 6: and I think it's fair to say not all of

522
00:30:06,375 --> 00:30:10,375
Speaker 6: them were successful. Is twenty five years reasonable for a post?

523
00:30:11,815 --> 00:30:13,735
Speaker 6: I guess when you pull out an old toutra one

524
00:30:13,735 --> 00:30:15,615
Speaker 6: that's been in the ground for one hundred years, you

525
00:30:15,695 --> 00:30:18,015
Speaker 6: go twenty five years. You're not even trying very hard.

526
00:30:18,055 --> 00:30:20,495
Speaker 6: But you know, I've pulled out plenty of toutra piles

527
00:30:20,615 --> 00:30:24,575
Speaker 6: underneath an old house and they look like a rotten tooth.

528
00:30:24,615 --> 00:30:27,695
Speaker 6: Basically you get a solid lump at the top and

529
00:30:27,735 --> 00:30:30,455
Speaker 6: then they just tape it down as the decay has

530
00:30:30,495 --> 00:30:33,295
Speaker 6: just eaten away, eaten away, eaten away at them. In fact,

531
00:30:33,295 --> 00:30:36,375
Speaker 6: I've got one in my gardener's little garden ornament flipped

532
00:30:36,455 --> 00:30:39,735
Speaker 6: upside down the Testament to the old days, right yoh?

533
00:30:39,975 --> 00:30:42,335
Speaker 6: Is it's just ticked over six forty. If you've got

534
00:30:42,335 --> 00:30:45,175
Speaker 6: a question of a building nature, feel free to call

535
00:30:45,255 --> 00:30:47,895
Speaker 6: O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number

536
00:30:47,895 --> 00:30:51,055
Speaker 6: to call? Some of the fencing things obviously touched a

537
00:30:51,135 --> 00:30:53,015
Speaker 6: nerve for people. How long ago did he put in

538
00:30:53,015 --> 00:30:56,175
Speaker 6: the twenty four point five kilometer fence? And about twenty

539
00:30:56,175 --> 00:30:59,135
Speaker 6: five years ago? Ask what type of post is used? Peak,

540
00:30:59,175 --> 00:31:02,015
Speaker 6: because that can have a huge impact. I'm guessing it's

541
00:31:02,055 --> 00:31:06,935
Speaker 6: a one twenty five SD, so small in diameter fence post,

542
00:31:07,615 --> 00:31:12,335
Speaker 6: probably pine treated, but the treatment hasn't lasted perhaps as

543
00:31:12,375 --> 00:31:14,375
Speaker 6: long as you would have liked. So is twenty five

544
00:31:14,415 --> 00:31:16,855
Speaker 6: years reasonable? Or would you expect more out of a

545
00:31:16,895 --> 00:31:19,535
Speaker 6: post of that diameter? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten,

546
00:31:19,615 --> 00:31:22,175
Speaker 6: Oh before I go, because I'll be back, don't worry

547
00:31:22,255 --> 00:31:25,295
Speaker 6: after the break. But just because we're talking fencing, thinking

548
00:31:25,295 --> 00:31:28,695
Speaker 6: about the job that I had. You know, basically the

549
00:31:28,695 --> 00:31:31,135
Speaker 6: broken posts. Then you've got to dig your way through

550
00:31:31,215 --> 00:31:32,975
Speaker 6: all of the concrete, kind of break it up a

551
00:31:33,015 --> 00:31:37,375
Speaker 6: little bit, dig out the concrete, dig out the rotten stump.

552
00:31:37,735 --> 00:31:40,055
Speaker 6: I reckon The biggest contributed to the fact that those

553
00:31:40,095 --> 00:31:42,935
Speaker 6: posts didn't last that long is the way in which

554
00:31:43,135 --> 00:31:47,775
Speaker 6: the people finish the concrete around the post. So put

555
00:31:47,775 --> 00:31:49,935
Speaker 6: the post on the ground, put some concrete around it,

556
00:31:50,255 --> 00:31:53,615
Speaker 6: make sure that you build the concrete up towards the

557
00:31:53,655 --> 00:31:57,015
Speaker 6: post with a little bit of runoff. These ones, they

558
00:31:57,055 --> 00:31:59,855
Speaker 6: had thrown the concrete and kind of, to be fair,

559
00:31:59,895 --> 00:32:01,815
Speaker 6: a bit rough, I think with the greatest respect of

560
00:32:01,855 --> 00:32:04,895
Speaker 6: the people that did it. So it wasn't even flat.

561
00:32:04,935 --> 00:32:08,135
Speaker 6: It was actually a slight hollow, so every time it rained,

562
00:32:08,215 --> 00:32:10,975
Speaker 6: water would sit on top of the concrete at the

563
00:32:10,975 --> 00:32:14,055
Speaker 6: base of the post. It didn't run off, and I

564
00:32:14,095 --> 00:32:16,735
Speaker 6: think that could contribute it to the failure. There you go,

565
00:32:17,855 --> 00:32:20,415
Speaker 6: So if you're doing concrete around a post, make sure

566
00:32:20,455 --> 00:32:23,295
Speaker 6: that it's you you finish it off with fall away

567
00:32:23,335 --> 00:32:26,535
Speaker 6: from the post. Hot tip from me at six forty one.

568
00:32:26,655 --> 00:32:30,895
Speaker 6: We'll be back after the break. Vexting what they forgot

569
00:32:30,935 --> 00:32:32,495
Speaker 6: to mention on that YouTube video.

570
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571
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Speaker 6: News TALKSB six forty five in the next hour, in

574
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Speaker 6: about forty five minutes time, we'll have Bryce McDermott, our

575
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Speaker 6: painting expert from Razine on the line. So if you've

576
00:32:52,495 --> 00:32:56,655
Speaker 6: got any specific painting questions, text them through now. We'll

577
00:32:56,655 --> 00:32:59,695
Speaker 6: have those lined up for Bryce at around seven thirty

578
00:32:59,735 --> 00:33:03,095
Speaker 6: this morning. So nine two nine two is ZBZB from

579
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Speaker 6: your mobile phone. If you've got any specific painting questions,

580
00:33:05,815 --> 00:33:08,735
Speaker 6: if you've got any specific questions around the granny flat,

581
00:33:08,775 --> 00:33:10,975
Speaker 6: and I'm starting to get a couple of texts, I'm

582
00:33:10,975 --> 00:33:13,255
Speaker 6: going to compile those and next week on the show,

583
00:33:13,255 --> 00:33:16,335
Speaker 6: we're going to be joined by Phil mcnarara, who's part

584
00:33:16,375 --> 00:33:21,095
Speaker 6: of the brand's team. Basically fills the person when I,

585
00:33:21,255 --> 00:33:24,215
Speaker 6: as a builder or tradesperson, you bring up brands and

586
00:33:24,255 --> 00:33:26,695
Speaker 6: go look, I need some advice on X y Z.

587
00:33:27,375 --> 00:33:29,695
Speaker 6: He's the person that answers the phone basically. So Phil's

588
00:33:29,735 --> 00:33:33,815
Speaker 6: going to join us next week. Brands are issuing a

589
00:33:33,895 --> 00:33:38,495
Speaker 6: bulletin which details all of the regulations a summary of

590
00:33:38,575 --> 00:33:43,015
Speaker 6: the regulations and the compliance for the Granny flat. The

591
00:33:43,095 --> 00:33:45,135
Speaker 6: first text that we got was can we come up

592
00:33:45,175 --> 00:33:47,575
Speaker 6: with a better name than Granny Flat? Well, there is

593
00:33:47,695 --> 00:33:50,495
Speaker 6: actually an official name for it, which is the simple

594
00:33:50,535 --> 00:33:54,535
Speaker 6: standalone dwellings that doesn't quite roll off the tongue like

595
00:33:54,575 --> 00:33:57,095
Speaker 6: Granni flats. But I agree with you. I think that

596
00:33:58,055 --> 00:34:03,295
Speaker 6: somehow that notion has stuck. It's a very good summary.

597
00:34:03,895 --> 00:34:06,895
Speaker 6: It's evocative in a sense, but it does feel like

598
00:34:06,935 --> 00:34:09,495
Speaker 6: it's kind of outdated, doesn't it. It's not what these

599
00:34:09,495 --> 00:34:13,935
Speaker 6: buildings are about in all cases anymore. So, yes, it

600
00:34:13,975 --> 00:34:15,655
Speaker 6: would be great if you can come up with a

601
00:34:15,695 --> 00:34:23,455
Speaker 6: snapping new phrase apart from the very functional phrase of

602
00:34:23,535 --> 00:34:26,455
Speaker 6: simple standalone dwellings. That would be awesome. Oh, eight hundred

603
00:34:26,535 --> 00:34:28,655
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty. Couple of other texts have come and

604
00:34:28,695 --> 00:34:33,695
Speaker 6: including some comments about, you know, the sadness around the

605
00:34:33,775 --> 00:34:38,095
Speaker 6: end of some investigative programs. Who might go and investigate

606
00:34:38,135 --> 00:34:42,015
Speaker 6: things like why didn't those posts last longer? Appreciate your comments, owen.

607
00:34:42,695 --> 00:34:46,055
Speaker 6: Another text, can you help me how frequently should you

608
00:34:46,135 --> 00:34:49,575
Speaker 6: treat cedar exterior boards and what do you need to

609
00:34:49,615 --> 00:34:52,375
Speaker 6: do to prep them for treatment? Finally, some of the

610
00:34:52,375 --> 00:34:54,175
Speaker 6: boards have a small crack at the bottom. Should I

611
00:34:54,215 --> 00:35:00,495
Speaker 6: address that in some way? I have to say it

612
00:35:00,615 --> 00:35:04,535
Speaker 6: drives me to despair sometimes to see and I as

613
00:35:04,575 --> 00:35:08,135
Speaker 6: an opening statement, I absolutely absolutely love cedar. I think

614
00:35:08,175 --> 00:35:12,015
Speaker 6: it's a fabulous timber. I think it's I've used it

615
00:35:12,055 --> 00:35:16,655
Speaker 6: for cladding and different purposes over many, many years. I

616
00:35:16,735 --> 00:35:19,375
Speaker 6: absolutely love it. But it does drive me to despair

617
00:35:19,495 --> 00:35:22,775
Speaker 6: when I see it being installed in situations where it's

618
00:35:22,815 --> 00:35:27,135
Speaker 6: going to be incredibly difficult nigh on im possible to

619
00:35:27,295 --> 00:35:29,935
Speaker 6: maintain it in the way that you need to in

620
00:35:30,055 --> 00:35:35,015
Speaker 6: order to keep it looking really good. And you know,

621
00:35:35,095 --> 00:35:38,815
Speaker 6: so you know, modern townhouse three stories high, not much

622
00:35:38,815 --> 00:35:41,135
Speaker 6: space to put up a ladder or a scaffold, and

623
00:35:41,175 --> 00:35:45,975
Speaker 6: then somebody clads the gable in cedar. And I again,

624
00:35:46,455 --> 00:35:49,975
Speaker 6: I really really love cedar, but it does require some

625
00:35:50,055 --> 00:35:56,055
Speaker 6: looking after, so you really need to if it's relatively new,

626
00:35:56,975 --> 00:36:01,375
Speaker 6: track it back through the supplier. The supplier will have

627
00:36:01,495 --> 00:36:04,975
Speaker 6: a maintenance schedule included, and that might be a number

628
00:36:04,975 --> 00:36:08,455
Speaker 6: of recommended products, and you might find when you read

629
00:36:08,495 --> 00:36:12,215
Speaker 6: the small print that failure to comply with the maintenance

630
00:36:12,255 --> 00:36:16,375
Speaker 6: schedule avoids any warranties on it. And in some cases,

631
00:36:16,415 --> 00:36:19,255
Speaker 6: the expectation might be that you're out there every eighteen

632
00:36:19,295 --> 00:36:22,215
Speaker 6: months applying a coat to it. And certainly if the

633
00:36:22,255 --> 00:36:25,415
Speaker 6: bottom of the boards are starting to crack, that's essentially

634
00:36:25,415 --> 00:36:29,495
Speaker 6: the timber drying out because it's lost its protective coating.

635
00:36:31,495 --> 00:36:34,735
Speaker 6: And at a certain point, and we've all seen them,

636
00:36:34,775 --> 00:36:37,255
Speaker 6: the boards get to such an extent where they're cupping

637
00:36:38,055 --> 00:36:41,815
Speaker 6: the lap that's there, including the weather groove that's in

638
00:36:41,895 --> 00:36:45,855
Speaker 6: between that helps prevent water being sucked along or capillary

639
00:36:45,855 --> 00:36:51,375
Speaker 6: action and entering the building envelope that's completely open. So

640
00:36:51,415 --> 00:36:53,775
Speaker 6: you've got some real problems there. But I think if

641
00:36:53,775 --> 00:36:57,695
Speaker 6: it's relatively new, the seedar that you're talking about, then

642
00:36:57,735 --> 00:37:00,935
Speaker 6: I would go back through the supplier to the manufacturer,

643
00:37:01,135 --> 00:37:05,455
Speaker 6: get the original warranty documents and then follow that advice.

644
00:37:05,535 --> 00:37:10,175
Speaker 6: But short answer is you probably have to do more

645
00:37:10,175 --> 00:37:14,575
Speaker 6: maintenance than you think. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

646
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Speaker 6: And there's a couple of places. Actually, I was, funnily enough,

647
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Speaker 6: I was driving the other day and there's a house

648
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Speaker 6: that I quite like in terms of it's a funky

649
00:37:22,455 --> 00:37:27,975
Speaker 6: architectural thing. Mixture of pladding types, including some seed which

650
00:37:28,015 --> 00:37:31,775
Speaker 6: they stained a presumacy that they stained basically black, and

651
00:37:31,855 --> 00:37:37,055
Speaker 6: I reckon would it be two years old? Maybe already

652
00:37:37,095 --> 00:37:40,375
Speaker 6: you can see that it's wearing off. And then depending

653
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Speaker 6: on where some parts are slightly covered protected by an eve,

654
00:37:43,935 --> 00:37:47,255
Speaker 6: other parts aren't. And you're seeing this real sort of

655
00:37:47,375 --> 00:37:50,495
Speaker 6: evidence of wear and tear on different parts of the building.

656
00:37:50,535 --> 00:37:52,895
Speaker 6: And I'm looking at that going you know, two years

657
00:37:52,975 --> 00:37:55,935
Speaker 6: and your coating is effectively starting to break down or

658
00:37:56,455 --> 00:37:58,975
Speaker 6: you know it's it's now requiring maintenance and if you

659
00:37:59,055 --> 00:38:01,055
Speaker 6: delay it, it's going to be a problem. Actually, there's

660
00:38:01,055 --> 00:38:03,575
Speaker 6: a big story about that this week online as well.

661
00:38:04,415 --> 00:38:11,615
Speaker 6: Ninety percent of New Zealand houses require maintenance. Yeah, no surprise,

662
00:38:11,735 --> 00:38:13,775
Speaker 6: is there to be fair anyone might dig into that story.

663
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Speaker 6: But later to six fifty, I'll take a break and

664
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Speaker 6: then we'll come back and chat with Mark.

665
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Speaker 1: Turning os into She'll be right the Resident Builder with

666
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Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcam and Independent Building Supplies the Future of Kiwi

667
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Speaker 1: Building Today Call eight hundred eighty News Talks there by a.

668
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Speaker 6: News Talks the'd B. I'm getting some interesting suggestions for

669
00:38:34,455 --> 00:38:40,815
Speaker 6: the the a better name than Granny flats Owen always

670
00:38:40,895 --> 00:38:44,015
Speaker 6: quick on the text sad neighbor as an SSA D

671
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Speaker 6: neighbor flats, so simple standalone dwelling s SA D neighbor

672
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Speaker 6: people are going to be upset when they start arriving.

673
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Speaker 6: I suspect, you know, we'll come to that in just

674
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Speaker 6: the moment. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number

675
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Speaker 6: mark greetings. Yeah A good things.

676
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Speaker 9: Yeah. Question.

677
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Speaker 14: We've got a concrete pettier. The house was built ten

678
00:39:08,095 --> 00:39:12,295
Speaker 14: years ago, structurally really good concrete vatio for the finish

679
00:39:12,295 --> 00:39:16,695
Speaker 14: on it's terrible. All blocks in horrible. So we're wanting

680
00:39:16,775 --> 00:39:21,455
Speaker 14: to obviously and improve that situation. And I wonder whether

681
00:39:21,495 --> 00:39:25,415
Speaker 14: we should put turn it into a timber deck or

682
00:39:25,935 --> 00:39:28,455
Speaker 14: to tile over the concrete.

683
00:39:29,215 --> 00:39:30,815
Speaker 6: Can I offer up another suggestion?

684
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

685
00:39:32,175 --> 00:39:32,455
Speaker 14: Sure.

686
00:39:33,655 --> 00:39:39,775
Speaker 6: There's a new product from Razine Construction called Microstone, which

687
00:39:40,015 --> 00:39:47,535
Speaker 6: is a it's a like eu athane adhesive based render

688
00:39:47,775 --> 00:39:50,935
Speaker 6: that you can apply and that's then traffickable and you

689
00:39:50,975 --> 00:39:53,975
Speaker 6: can color it to pretty much whatever color you want.

690
00:39:55,815 --> 00:39:57,415
Speaker 6: And the reason I know about that is that I

691
00:39:57,575 --> 00:40:00,615
Speaker 6: had a twenty year old concrete table that I made

692
00:40:00,615 --> 00:40:05,575
Speaker 6: myself years ago. The guys from Razine came round with

693
00:40:05,855 --> 00:40:09,135
Speaker 6: a mixed up this product, applied it over the top.

694
00:40:09,935 --> 00:40:11,895
Speaker 6: It adheres as a primer, and then you do two

695
00:40:11,975 --> 00:40:13,895
Speaker 6: coats and then you can put a sealer over it.

696
00:40:14,255 --> 00:40:16,055
Speaker 6: And I've done that and I was actually I was

697
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Speaker 6: looking at it the other day thinking, kroky, that was

698
00:40:18,215 --> 00:40:21,495
Speaker 6: a really good solution. They've also used it, for example

699
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Speaker 6: in their warehouse in Glenfield. Right, so in the showroom

700
00:40:26,415 --> 00:40:29,175
Speaker 6: when you come in again, pitted concrete floor looked pretty

701
00:40:29,215 --> 00:40:31,455
Speaker 6: miserable and all the rest of it in there for

702
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Speaker 6: a weekend. Apply a code of this microstone job done?

703
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Speaker 9: Oh wow?

704
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So have a look. Just go to the Razine

705
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Speaker 6: Construction website. We'll give them a call and ask about

706
00:40:42,415 --> 00:40:47,855
Speaker 6: the microstone. All right, all right, I mean there's other alternative,

707
00:40:47,935 --> 00:40:51,695
Speaker 6: but I think in your situation, that's a really straightforward, durable,

708
00:40:51,855 --> 00:40:56,695
Speaker 6: long lasting solution. Yeah, we'll do that, all right, have look,

709
00:40:57,255 --> 00:41:00,855
Speaker 6: Take care, all the best, mark take care. Yeah. Well,

710
00:41:00,895 --> 00:41:01,895
Speaker 6: actually did I help?

711
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Speaker 7: Yeah?

712
00:41:02,295 --> 00:41:04,215
Speaker 6: I did the prep and I did the sealer, but

713
00:41:04,255 --> 00:41:07,135
Speaker 6: then I left the actual application of the ren to

714
00:41:07,215 --> 00:41:09,495
Speaker 6: the professional. So fill and the guys came by and

715
00:41:09,655 --> 00:41:12,615
Speaker 6: sorted that out. Actually looks awesome, and it looks awesome

716
00:41:12,655 --> 00:41:14,295
Speaker 6: a year later, which is all you can ask for.

717
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Speaker 8: Right.

718
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Speaker 6: We're back after new Sport and Weather top of the

719
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Speaker 6: hour at seven helping you finish that fibe.

720
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Speaker 9: But it fixed.

721
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Speaker 1: You started the Resident Builder with Beeter Wolfcamp and Independent

722
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Speaker 1: Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today. Call eight

723
00:41:34,815 --> 00:41:37,055
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk ZB.

724
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Speaker 6: Well, very good morning, welcome back to the show. My

725
00:41:39,735 --> 00:41:42,335
Speaker 6: name's Pete wolf Camp, Resident Builder and this is the

726
00:41:42,335 --> 00:41:44,855
Speaker 6: Resident Builder on Sunday. That's the name of the show anyway.

727
00:41:45,455 --> 00:41:48,375
Speaker 6: And if you've got a question of a building nature,

728
00:41:48,495 --> 00:41:51,255
Speaker 6: you can join us now by phoning eight hundred eighty

729
00:41:51,335 --> 00:41:53,855
Speaker 6: ten eighty. You can text through as well, which is

730
00:41:53,935 --> 00:41:57,855
Speaker 6: nine two nine two zib from your mobile phone and

731
00:41:58,095 --> 00:42:00,415
Speaker 6: if you would like to see me an email, you're

732
00:42:00,415 --> 00:42:03,815
Speaker 6: more than welcome. It's Pete atnewstalksb dot co dot NZ.

733
00:42:04,455 --> 00:42:07,775
Speaker 6: Had a quick check during the about we we were

734
00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:11,095
Speaker 6: talking with Mark about he's got a concrete patio area

735
00:42:11,295 --> 00:42:15,775
Speaker 6: that's not looking great. Do you overlay it? Which are options?

736
00:42:16,255 --> 00:42:19,655
Speaker 6: Or I did suggest something that i'd used myself or

737
00:42:19,655 --> 00:42:24,295
Speaker 6: had applied at home, which is a microstone finish. So

738
00:42:24,335 --> 00:42:26,775
Speaker 6: if you go to the Razine Construction website and then

739
00:42:26,815 --> 00:42:31,135
Speaker 6: search for microsone, you'll find it there and it's on

740
00:42:31,175 --> 00:42:35,855
Speaker 6: the Rocko website as well. So razine microstone finishes is

741
00:42:35,855 --> 00:42:40,415
Speaker 6: what you're after, and yeah, super durable, so that'll work. Oh,

742
00:42:40,455 --> 00:42:42,855
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

743
00:42:42,895 --> 00:42:45,455
Speaker 6: We've talked about roofing, we've talked about flashings, we've talked

744
00:42:45,455 --> 00:42:48,535
Speaker 6: about I guess now one of the hard things is failures, right,

745
00:42:48,615 --> 00:42:51,535
Speaker 6: products not lasting as long as you hope that they would.

746
00:42:51,575 --> 00:42:55,335
Speaker 6: So the conversation about fence posts and perhaps the timber

747
00:42:55,375 --> 00:42:58,975
Speaker 6: preservative not protecting the post for as long as expected,

748
00:42:59,135 --> 00:43:01,535
Speaker 6: or is it reasonable to go Actually, if the fence

749
00:43:01,575 --> 00:43:04,415
Speaker 6: post starts to get a little bit rotten, a little

750
00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:08,175
Speaker 6: bit shaky after twenty five years, that's a reasonable time

751
00:43:08,295 --> 00:43:11,015
Speaker 6: for that to have lasted, given that it's sitting out

752
00:43:11,015 --> 00:43:14,655
Speaker 6: in the elements, it's embedded in the soil. In this instance,

753
00:43:14,695 --> 00:43:18,175
Speaker 6: it was in a farm situation where they're driven into

754
00:43:18,175 --> 00:43:23,575
Speaker 6: the ground. Would you expect them to last longer? We

755
00:43:23,615 --> 00:43:25,975
Speaker 6: can talk about that, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

756
00:43:26,015 --> 00:43:28,215
Speaker 6: We can talk about all things building in construction on

757
00:43:28,335 --> 00:43:32,175
Speaker 6: the show this morning coming up. This is kind of

758
00:43:32,175 --> 00:43:35,775
Speaker 6: a prompt for next week when I'm going to spend

759
00:43:35,775 --> 00:43:39,335
Speaker 6: some time with Phil mcmaharra from Brands. Brands have just

760
00:43:39,415 --> 00:43:44,695
Speaker 6: released a guidance around for want of a better phrase,

761
00:43:44,735 --> 00:43:46,375
Speaker 6: and it's the phrase that we're all using, but I'm

762
00:43:46,415 --> 00:43:49,095
Speaker 6: open to suggestions as to what might be a better name.

763
00:43:49,855 --> 00:43:52,015
Speaker 6: Is the whole thing around granny flats, right, This is

764
00:43:52,055 --> 00:43:54,735
Speaker 6: the legislation that allows you potentially to build up to

765
00:43:54,775 --> 00:43:59,215
Speaker 6: seventy square meters on an existing property, so that it

766
00:43:59,375 --> 00:44:01,135
Speaker 6: can't be on a new site. So that's one of

767
00:44:01,135 --> 00:44:07,215
Speaker 6: those caveats to the legislation. Anyway, Brands have really a guideline,

768
00:44:07,415 --> 00:44:12,215
Speaker 6: will be releasing one which will set out kind of

769
00:44:12,255 --> 00:44:14,015
Speaker 6: a summary of all of these things. So if you've

770
00:44:14,055 --> 00:44:16,735
Speaker 6: got any specific questions, the team that have put that

771
00:44:16,775 --> 00:44:20,215
Speaker 6: summary together, the Brands Bulletin will be available next Sunday

772
00:44:20,215 --> 00:44:21,975
Speaker 6: on the show, and I'm going to give them a

773
00:44:21,975 --> 00:44:26,255
Speaker 6: whole lot of questions to ask so or to answer rather, So,

774
00:44:26,295 --> 00:44:30,335
Speaker 6: if you've got any specific questions around the granny flats height,

775
00:44:30,775 --> 00:44:36,135
Speaker 6: type of materials, locations, connecting to services who can do

776
00:44:36,215 --> 00:44:38,935
Speaker 6: the work, et cetera, text them through. I'll compile those

777
00:44:39,015 --> 00:44:41,495
Speaker 6: and then that'll be the basis for our interview next week.

778
00:44:41,975 --> 00:44:45,695
Speaker 6: Speaking about texts, Bryce McDermott, our painting expert from Razine

779
00:44:45,775 --> 00:44:48,695
Speaker 6: will be around, will be available at about twenty minutes time.

780
00:44:49,215 --> 00:44:51,735
Speaker 6: So if you've got any specific painting questions, and I'm

781
00:44:51,735 --> 00:44:55,535
Speaker 6: getting some really good ones at the moment, then text

782
00:44:55,575 --> 00:44:58,335
Speaker 6: those through to nine to nine two and we'll ask

783
00:44:58,375 --> 00:45:01,895
Speaker 6: Bryce when he's with us in about twenty minutes time.

784
00:45:01,935 --> 00:45:05,175
Speaker 6: But right now, Nathan, have very good morning to you. Ye,

785
00:45:05,375 --> 00:45:07,335
Speaker 6: good morning things.

786
00:45:07,495 --> 00:45:13,855
Speaker 5: Yeah night in porticoling from fungar Ay. We live live

787
00:45:13,895 --> 00:45:17,935
Speaker 5: in this place for three years and a couple of

788
00:45:17,975 --> 00:45:22,135
Speaker 5: years ago we put new wood burner. Yes, and we

789
00:45:22,215 --> 00:45:26,775
Speaker 5: had the inspector to get uh this place never had

790
00:45:26,775 --> 00:45:29,975
Speaker 5: a call a compliance, so we got to expect yester

791
00:45:30,135 --> 00:45:35,375
Speaker 5: I he checked everything past or that's the second time

792
00:45:35,375 --> 00:45:39,815
Speaker 5: we're getting trying to get one. And he advised us

793
00:45:39,815 --> 00:45:45,095
Speaker 5: for the wood burner, the chimney, the flu pipe to

794
00:45:45,175 --> 00:45:50,015
Speaker 5: be swiped and advise us to get somebody to swip

795
00:45:50,055 --> 00:45:53,375
Speaker 5: it and give us condition of the of the wood burner.

796
00:45:54,815 --> 00:45:59,295
Speaker 5: And he's asking some things that I don't understand. We

797
00:45:59,375 --> 00:46:05,375
Speaker 5: have together. What's it called consent? And could the burner

798
00:46:05,455 --> 00:46:07,175
Speaker 5: been there for a three years?

799
00:46:08,495 --> 00:46:13,295
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can understand why it might be a little

800
00:46:13,295 --> 00:46:16,015
Speaker 6: bit frustrating for you, but it's it is quite clear

801
00:46:16,215 --> 00:46:20,695
Speaker 6: in the building legislation and building code that if you

802
00:46:20,815 --> 00:46:24,375
Speaker 6: install I guess it relates to risk. Right, So if

803
00:46:24,375 --> 00:46:27,415
Speaker 6: you were to put in a wood burner and it

804
00:46:27,495 --> 00:46:33,335
Speaker 6: was not put in correctly, the potential for risk loss

805
00:46:33,375 --> 00:46:36,215
Speaker 6: of life is quite high. Obviously you're lighting a fire

806
00:46:36,255 --> 00:46:40,655
Speaker 6: inside your house. Yes, So that's why typically if you're

807
00:46:40,695 --> 00:46:45,535
Speaker 6: installing or replacing a wood burner, you need a building

808
00:46:45,575 --> 00:46:49,975
Speaker 6: consent for that. So if you've installed one and you

809
00:46:50,015 --> 00:46:52,255
Speaker 6: didn't get a building consent for it at the time,

810
00:46:52,735 --> 00:46:57,975
Speaker 6: you'll need to prove that it's compliant with the building code.

811
00:46:58,495 --> 00:47:01,775
Speaker 6: So in your situation, I wonder whether the simplest thing

812
00:47:01,815 --> 00:47:04,095
Speaker 6: would be, given that you only had this new one

813
00:47:04,135 --> 00:47:06,415
Speaker 6: installed recently, is to go back to the person and

814
00:47:06,455 --> 00:47:10,135
Speaker 6: that installed it or the people that you bought it.

815
00:47:10,135 --> 00:47:13,935
Speaker 6: It's thirty years ago, okay Shivers, All right, then it

816
00:47:14,095 --> 00:47:17,935
Speaker 6: still needs to comply and and the burden of proof

817
00:47:18,295 --> 00:47:22,015
Speaker 6: is on you. So I wonder whether the council inspector

818
00:47:22,135 --> 00:47:27,535
Speaker 6: is asking you to prove that. Yeah, so you may

819
00:47:27,575 --> 00:47:31,535
Speaker 6: have to get someone an expert you know in fireplaces,

820
00:47:31,575 --> 00:47:37,295
Speaker 6: to come possibly even just replace the flu completely and

821
00:47:37,295 --> 00:47:40,215
Speaker 6: and then that if that's the kind of the last

822
00:47:40,215 --> 00:47:44,215
Speaker 6: thing on your list, it's it's like, just get it done,

823
00:47:44,455 --> 00:47:48,495
Speaker 6: because getting that CCC resolved is really really important.

824
00:47:48,935 --> 00:47:52,335
Speaker 5: Yeah, I understand you. Yeah, I like to thank you

825
00:47:52,455 --> 00:47:58,615
Speaker 5: very much for no trouble advice the scripers and good

826
00:47:58,695 --> 00:48:02,815
Speaker 5: you said meeting with them. Yeah, that's nothing wrong with it.

827
00:48:02,975 --> 00:48:06,295
Speaker 6: Excellent living here for thirty years.

828
00:48:06,495 --> 00:48:09,855
Speaker 5: Yeah, where the horrible weather never leak anywhere?

829
00:48:10,015 --> 00:48:15,095
Speaker 6: Yep, good, well, excellent. Oh well, I'm pleased because you

830
00:48:15,135 --> 00:48:17,575
Speaker 6: know that funny it was. It was a conversation I

831
00:48:17,615 --> 00:48:20,735
Speaker 6: had with a number of building surveys yesterday around you know,

832
00:48:20,815 --> 00:48:23,615
Speaker 6: sometimes things are done that are not exactly as per

833
00:48:23,655 --> 00:48:27,295
Speaker 6: the building or there they're not as per the plan,

834
00:48:27,455 --> 00:48:30,215
Speaker 6: but they work right. And then if they work and

835
00:48:30,255 --> 00:48:33,455
Speaker 6: they perform, i you know, a flashing detail or a

836
00:48:33,495 --> 00:48:36,815
Speaker 6: scriber that prevents water from getting into the building, then

837
00:48:37,615 --> 00:48:40,695
Speaker 6: later on you go, hey, lovely to chat with you,

838
00:48:40,775 --> 00:48:42,895
Speaker 6: Nathan and all the best with the fireplace, take care,

839
00:48:44,535 --> 00:48:48,575
Speaker 6: getting some good texts on the windows. All sorts of

840
00:48:48,615 --> 00:48:50,815
Speaker 6: painting questions, so we're going to look at those shortly.

841
00:48:52,135 --> 00:48:55,695
Speaker 6: This one's not really a painting question, so I'll answer that. Now, Hi,

842
00:48:55,735 --> 00:48:58,415
Speaker 6: I've got some dry rot on an inside window sill.

843
00:48:58,455 --> 00:49:01,095
Speaker 6: I've removed it and there's a deep hole. How can

844
00:49:01,135 --> 00:49:03,375
Speaker 6: I fill it correctly? The hole goes right through to

845
00:49:03,455 --> 00:49:09,215
Speaker 6: the corner board. Thanks from Marie, I'm going to assume

846
00:49:09,255 --> 00:49:11,895
Speaker 6: that the corner boards like the facing or something like that,

847
00:49:12,055 --> 00:49:17,255
Speaker 6: or the upright. If it's of that scale, you could

848
00:49:17,295 --> 00:49:21,415
Speaker 6: possibly put a piece of timber that's just slightly larger

849
00:49:21,455 --> 00:49:24,415
Speaker 6: than the hole, but we'll still fit in there. So

850
00:49:24,455 --> 00:49:27,135
Speaker 6: you sort of scoop it through and adhere that to

851
00:49:27,175 --> 00:49:29,895
Speaker 6: the underside of the hole and then put your filler

852
00:49:29,935 --> 00:49:34,375
Speaker 6: on top would be one option. It's going to say.

853
00:49:34,415 --> 00:49:37,495
Speaker 6: In some cases, I've seen people put foam and then

854
00:49:37,735 --> 00:49:40,815
Speaker 6: kind of bog over the top of that. But forget,

855
00:49:40,855 --> 00:49:43,055
Speaker 6: I said that that's a bit dodgy. Let's not go there.

856
00:49:43,175 --> 00:49:45,175
Speaker 6: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

857
00:49:45,175 --> 00:49:46,255
Speaker 6: call Richard. Good morning to.

858
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Speaker 15: You, Yes, good morning three on Wednesday. It's sort of

859
00:49:53,255 --> 00:49:59,055
Speaker 15: building question ratefully. The contract came in and replaced some

860
00:49:59,215 --> 00:50:04,095
Speaker 15: Lino and Karpa this vinyl planting. They stand of the

861
00:50:04,135 --> 00:50:07,535
Speaker 15: original flooring, which is chipboards about thirty years old, right,

862
00:50:07,735 --> 00:50:11,095
Speaker 15: and then they glued it straight onto that and now

863
00:50:12,335 --> 00:50:16,175
Speaker 15: a lot of the joins with the planks meet curling up.

864
00:50:16,895 --> 00:50:19,335
Speaker 15: I'm just wondering, should they have put down some kind

865
00:50:19,375 --> 00:50:21,055
Speaker 15: of board before they put that down.

866
00:50:20,935 --> 00:50:30,295
Speaker 6: Or serially, I'm thinking, so the laminate flooring that you

867
00:50:30,335 --> 00:50:33,135
Speaker 6: selected was designed to be glued down.

868
00:50:36,095 --> 00:50:41,375
Speaker 15: The experts somebody I won't mention the continent. Yeah, they

869
00:50:41,375 --> 00:50:44,335
Speaker 15: came in and quoted, and then they contract somebody to

870
00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:46,615
Speaker 15: come in and install it. And this is all these

871
00:50:46,655 --> 00:50:51,215
Speaker 15: guys that who was installed vinyl flooring, right, Yes, I

872
00:50:51,295 --> 00:50:54,215
Speaker 15: mean it's only small vinyl planks, you like about a meter,

873
00:50:54,335 --> 00:50:59,775
Speaker 15: buy two fifty or two hundred. Yes, so yeah, it

874
00:50:59,815 --> 00:51:01,855
Speaker 15: would have to be glued down because otherwise they just

875
00:51:02,415 --> 00:51:02,895
Speaker 15: lift up.

876
00:51:03,935 --> 00:51:04,135
Speaker 9: Yeah.

877
00:51:04,175 --> 00:51:08,135
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm just checking because I know that some flooring

878
00:51:08,175 --> 00:51:12,655
Speaker 6: systems can be either glued down or floating. Some are

879
00:51:12,655 --> 00:51:14,855
Speaker 6: designed to be just floating, some are designed to be

880
00:51:14,975 --> 00:51:17,655
Speaker 6: just glued down. So I suppose the first thing is

881
00:51:17,655 --> 00:51:20,735
Speaker 6: is that product it's meant to be glued down. And

882
00:51:21,375 --> 00:51:25,815
Speaker 6: so it's the butt join between the various boards that's lifting.

883
00:51:26,535 --> 00:51:29,535
Speaker 15: Yeah, at each where they meet, it's just popping up,

884
00:51:29,655 --> 00:51:30,215
Speaker 15: fueling up.

885
00:51:32,935 --> 00:51:35,895
Speaker 6: Look, obviously it's a failure, right, So it's on the

886
00:51:35,975 --> 00:51:41,215
Speaker 6: contractor or on the manufacturer. If it's manufacturer's issue, which

887
00:51:41,335 --> 00:51:44,535
Speaker 6: is unlikely, it'll be a contractor issue in terms of

888
00:51:45,015 --> 00:51:49,135
Speaker 6: not installing the product as per the manufacturer's guidance.

889
00:51:49,215 --> 00:51:49,415
Speaker 9: Right.

890
00:51:49,855 --> 00:51:52,575
Speaker 6: And I wonder and part of that might be to

891
00:51:52,655 --> 00:51:56,575
Speaker 6: do with the adhesion to the substrate. So if it's

892
00:51:56,615 --> 00:51:59,455
Speaker 6: old particle board and it had something else on it

893
00:51:59,815 --> 00:52:02,175
Speaker 6: and then they've got rid of that, then they've given

894
00:52:02,215 --> 00:52:04,495
Speaker 6: it a sand you know, maybe they were supposed to

895
00:52:04,535 --> 00:52:07,215
Speaker 6: do an adhesion primer, for example, rather than just the

896
00:52:07,535 --> 00:52:11,295
Speaker 6: adhesive on the top of it. That's possible. Possibly the

897
00:52:11,335 --> 00:52:14,855
Speaker 6: manufacturer does state you need to put a substraight down,

898
00:52:14,975 --> 00:52:17,175
Speaker 6: which if they haven't done that, then that's their problem

899
00:52:17,215 --> 00:52:20,695
Speaker 6: as well. Or the other thing might be that they've

900
00:52:20,735 --> 00:52:25,335
Speaker 6: actually joined the boards two tight together, in which case

901
00:52:25,375 --> 00:52:28,735
Speaker 6: there's not movement, and inevitably there'll be a little bit

902
00:52:28,735 --> 00:52:30,895
Speaker 6: of movement to that product, although not much in line,

903
00:52:30,935 --> 00:52:33,095
Speaker 6: not but it'll be enough just to put pressure on

904
00:52:33,135 --> 00:52:40,295
Speaker 6: the joint and pop the joint up. So there's a

905
00:52:40,295 --> 00:52:42,775
Speaker 6: couple of things. One is it's not your problem, it's

906
00:52:42,935 --> 00:52:46,215
Speaker 6: their problem, and they've got to own it because in

907
00:52:46,255 --> 00:52:49,175
Speaker 6: the end, they've got a product which works, and in

908
00:52:49,215 --> 00:52:51,295
Speaker 6: this instance they've put it down in such a way

909
00:52:51,295 --> 00:52:54,935
Speaker 6: that it doesn't work. And often when you're dealing with

910
00:52:54,975 --> 00:52:58,055
Speaker 6: contractors in this situation, they're trying to make it somebody

911
00:52:58,055 --> 00:53:03,655
Speaker 6: else's problem. It's nobody else's problem, bar theirs.

912
00:53:04,055 --> 00:53:07,575
Speaker 15: They late at Wednesday. I noticed it on Friday afternoon. Yeah,

913
00:53:07,495 --> 00:53:09,575
Speaker 15: went into the Ye.

914
00:53:10,095 --> 00:53:13,335
Speaker 6: No, it'll be an install problem. Might be humidity problem,

915
00:53:14,295 --> 00:53:16,055
Speaker 6: but it's going to be an install problem. It's going

916
00:53:16,095 --> 00:53:18,055
Speaker 6: to be their problem. And chances are they going to

917
00:53:18,055 --> 00:53:19,695
Speaker 6: be back ripping the whole thing out and redoing it.

918
00:53:20,255 --> 00:53:22,735
Speaker 15: Oh wow, Okay, nice suspect.

919
00:53:23,335 --> 00:53:25,815
Speaker 6: Yeah, but good luck. And you know, I'm always curious

920
00:53:25,855 --> 00:53:28,575
Speaker 6: how these things go, so let us know whether. Yeah,

921
00:53:28,615 --> 00:53:31,255
Speaker 6: because again what you hope for is like mistakes happen

922
00:53:31,295 --> 00:53:32,655
Speaker 6: in building as they.

923
00:53:32,575 --> 00:53:33,935
Speaker 15: Do in life.

924
00:53:34,415 --> 00:53:37,455
Speaker 6: The thing that's really really important for contractors is putting

925
00:53:37,495 --> 00:53:40,775
Speaker 6: it right, like you're not trying to fight with you

926
00:53:40,855 --> 00:53:43,335
Speaker 6: for ages, going it's not my problem and data da

927
00:53:43,375 --> 00:53:46,775
Speaker 6: da da, Just put it right. And just on that. Actually,

928
00:53:46,775 --> 00:53:48,975
Speaker 6: I was part of a discussion a little while ago

929
00:53:49,055 --> 00:53:51,495
Speaker 6: with again some people from brands, and it was a

930
00:53:51,535 --> 00:53:55,655
Speaker 6: satisfaction survey just very quickly. What was really fascinating is

931
00:53:56,095 --> 00:53:58,735
Speaker 6: they surveyed some people who had had work done, and

932
00:53:58,775 --> 00:54:01,015
Speaker 6: then they invited a select group to come through and

933
00:54:01,015 --> 00:54:05,455
Speaker 6: have a discussion, right, And what emerged was in the

934
00:54:06,335 --> 00:54:12,655
Speaker 6: satisfaction results were higher for clients that had experienced a defect,

935
00:54:12,735 --> 00:54:16,655
Speaker 6: let's say, but then the contractor had responded to it

936
00:54:16,735 --> 00:54:20,575
Speaker 6: and fixed it. They got a higher satisfaction level than

937
00:54:20,615 --> 00:54:23,935
Speaker 6: someone who, let's say, engagees a contractor. The work goes

938
00:54:23,975 --> 00:54:26,215
Speaker 6: off without a hitch, and they might give them a

939
00:54:26,495 --> 00:54:29,135
Speaker 6: six right out of ten. But if you had a

940
00:54:29,175 --> 00:54:32,295
Speaker 6: problem like with you and the contractor goes, Yep, that's

941
00:54:32,335 --> 00:54:34,535
Speaker 6: a problem, I'm really sorry about that. Will be there

942
00:54:34,735 --> 00:54:36,455
Speaker 6: as soon as we can to fix it, and we'll

943
00:54:36,455 --> 00:54:39,255
Speaker 6: fix it. Their satisfaction level might have been an eight,

944
00:54:40,095 --> 00:54:42,095
Speaker 6: So it's fixing it, dealing with it.

945
00:54:42,255 --> 00:54:42,455
Speaker 8: Yeah.

946
00:54:42,495 --> 00:54:46,055
Speaker 6: It's interesting though, isn't it from a behavior point of view?

947
00:54:47,495 --> 00:54:49,735
Speaker 6: So yeah, but let us know how you get on.

948
00:54:50,375 --> 00:54:52,895
Speaker 6: I will do all right, very much, appreciate it. Take care.

949
00:54:54,575 --> 00:54:58,335
Speaker 6: Mistakes happen, like building is all about. It's not all

950
00:54:58,375 --> 00:55:00,815
Speaker 6: about mistakes, but it's all about putting it right because

951
00:55:00,815 --> 00:55:03,135
Speaker 6: they do happen. Right, you build the only people who

952
00:55:03,175 --> 00:55:05,775
Speaker 6: don't make mistakes. Of those people that make nothing is

953
00:55:05,815 --> 00:55:11,015
Speaker 6: my editude. So when there's a mistake, fix it and

954
00:55:11,095 --> 00:55:13,935
Speaker 6: the satisfaction level goes up. It's a fascinating little piece

955
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Speaker 6: of research. Seven were going to take short break.

956
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Speaker 6: Got a really good text about replacing lights and what

961
00:55:36,815 --> 00:55:41,255
Speaker 6: work homeowners can do. Steve, what I'd suggest you do,

962
00:55:41,375 --> 00:55:43,455
Speaker 6: and that's exactly what I've just done, is go to

963
00:55:43,535 --> 00:55:47,815
Speaker 6: the work Safe website and you just type in homeown

964
00:55:47,895 --> 00:55:50,735
Speaker 6: or electrical. That brings up a whole series of guidances,

965
00:55:51,215 --> 00:55:55,055
Speaker 6: lots and lots of caveats at the beginning saying yes,

966
00:55:55,615 --> 00:55:58,895
Speaker 6: legally you're allowed as a homeowner to do a very

967
00:55:59,055 --> 00:56:02,215
Speaker 6: limited amount of work, but it stresses the fact that

968
00:56:02,575 --> 00:56:05,375
Speaker 6: you have to be very well not confident. Actually, we

969
00:56:05,375 --> 00:56:07,695
Speaker 6: don't want you to be confid We want you to

970
00:56:07,815 --> 00:56:11,375
Speaker 6: know that you are competent to do this work, that

971
00:56:11,455 --> 00:56:15,215
Speaker 6: you've got some experience in it, that you're not inadvertently

972
00:56:15,295 --> 00:56:18,895
Speaker 6: going to cause damage or injury to yourself or to

973
00:56:18,935 --> 00:56:21,255
Speaker 6: other people. So the guidance is there on the work

974
00:56:21,295 --> 00:56:24,175
Speaker 6: Safe page. In a nutshell, it seems that yes, you

975
00:56:24,255 --> 00:56:28,215
Speaker 6: can change the lights, but it's come to a whole

976
00:56:28,215 --> 00:56:29,815
Speaker 6: lot of caveat. It's a whole lot of warnings as

977
00:56:29,855 --> 00:56:32,895
Speaker 6: to why you shouldn't. But anyway, have a look at

978
00:56:32,895 --> 00:56:35,815
Speaker 6: the guidance. It's there on the work safe website. Lee,

979
00:56:35,895 --> 00:56:36,375
Speaker 6: good morning.

980
00:56:37,735 --> 00:56:41,855
Speaker 16: Hello, oh hello, hello, good one page, good idea. I've

981
00:56:41,975 --> 00:56:46,695
Speaker 16: got a well at least in twenty ten, I remodeled

982
00:56:46,695 --> 00:56:51,135
Speaker 16: my family bathroom all like for like that something actually

983
00:56:51,135 --> 00:56:54,015
Speaker 16: had one less strain at the time. The plumber and

984
00:56:54,055 --> 00:56:56,935
Speaker 16: the border both advised me in twenty ten that I

985
00:56:56,975 --> 00:57:03,415
Speaker 16: didn't need to consent. I put a shower over a

986
00:57:03,455 --> 00:57:07,495
Speaker 16: full bath with piled wolves around and light shower door.

987
00:57:09,335 --> 00:57:13,335
Speaker 16: The house is going up for sale, and when I

988
00:57:13,375 --> 00:57:17,815
Speaker 16: had agents throw the property, one crowd said nothing about

989
00:57:17,815 --> 00:57:20,935
Speaker 16: my bathroom, and the other asked if I'd got consent

990
00:57:21,015 --> 00:57:25,055
Speaker 16: for the bathroom. I advised no, because I didn't need it.

991
00:57:25,535 --> 00:57:28,175
Speaker 16: I have a waterproofing certificat I was told I didn't

992
00:57:28,215 --> 00:57:31,895
Speaker 16: need one, and they indicated because of the membrane and

993
00:57:31,975 --> 00:57:34,255
Speaker 16: the tiles on the floor in the wall that would

994
00:57:34,255 --> 00:57:38,815
Speaker 16: not be deemed consented anymore. So I'd ended a really

995
00:57:38,895 --> 00:57:43,415
Speaker 16: deep dive and phoned and researched, and everyone told me

996
00:57:43,455 --> 00:57:46,935
Speaker 16: it's a gray area. I was constantly told this, and

997
00:57:47,015 --> 00:57:51,815
Speaker 16: the council were more concerned regarding walk and fully child showers.

998
00:57:52,455 --> 00:57:57,175
Speaker 16: I engaged a building a spector who verbally consumed are

999
00:57:57,255 --> 00:57:59,775
Speaker 16: not require a consent. I would not have required a

1000
00:57:59,775 --> 00:58:05,055
Speaker 16: consent back then. However, he called prior to releasing the report,

1001
00:58:05,455 --> 00:58:07,695
Speaker 16: and he rene John what he had told me.

1002
00:58:08,295 --> 00:58:09,575
Speaker 8: He said that.

1003
00:58:10,295 --> 00:58:16,495
Speaker 16: A conference and at that conference they were talking about showers,

1004
00:58:16,655 --> 00:58:22,055
Speaker 16: and the council were getting sticky on file showers, previously

1005
00:58:22,215 --> 00:58:26,095
Speaker 16: sticky with fully filed walking showers, and now my tiles

1006
00:58:26,855 --> 00:58:30,535
Speaker 16: around shower over the bath was probably also in that category.

1007
00:58:31,975 --> 00:58:34,575
Speaker 12: His report was really positive.

1008
00:58:35,695 --> 00:58:40,175
Speaker 16: He confirmed that the tiled walls forming the clad into

1009
00:58:40,175 --> 00:58:43,015
Speaker 16: the shower over the bath, combined with the crowd grouting

1010
00:58:43,055 --> 00:58:45,855
Speaker 16: as a reasonable condition and looked to be well maintained.

1011
00:58:46,295 --> 00:58:48,855
Speaker 16: The rigid backing behind the tiles being packed out to

1012
00:58:48,975 --> 00:58:52,175
Speaker 16: enable the tiles to travel down over the front of

1013
00:58:52,255 --> 00:58:55,535
Speaker 16: the bath lips, forming an adequate cover for a drip

1014
00:58:55,655 --> 00:59:01,135
Speaker 16: edge He also ked that typically at the time of

1015
00:59:01,255 --> 00:59:04,335
Speaker 16: the tile installation of building consent was not obtained by

1016
00:59:04,375 --> 00:59:09,215
Speaker 16: the owner, which was and still is a requirement, and

1017
00:59:09,495 --> 00:59:11,815
Speaker 16: as a p S three was genuinely all that was

1018
00:59:11,855 --> 00:59:14,855
Speaker 16: required to get insurance cover in case the shower leaked.

1019
00:59:15,295 --> 00:59:18,695
Speaker 16: Due to the en Brand failure, in recent years, insurance

1020
00:59:18,735 --> 00:59:21,175
Speaker 16: companies have got tough frame. We're no longer covered tile

1021
00:59:21,295 --> 00:59:25,295
Speaker 16: showers based on a PS three only and must have

1022
00:59:25,335 --> 00:59:29,495
Speaker 16: a code of compliance from the local territorial authority.

1023
00:59:31,375 --> 00:59:33,415
Speaker 12: So my showers stood.

1024
00:59:33,095 --> 00:59:36,295
Speaker 16: The test of time, It's past its moisture testing, it's

1025
00:59:36,295 --> 00:59:39,135
Speaker 16: had three it's been tinted over the last ten years,

1026
00:59:39,135 --> 00:59:42,215
Speaker 16: and it has three little boys splashing around in that bathroom,

1027
00:59:42,295 --> 00:59:49,895
Speaker 16: no issues and all. So my question to you, well,

1028
00:59:49,895 --> 00:59:51,615
Speaker 16: it would appear that I have to go down the

1029
00:59:51,695 --> 00:59:57,975
Speaker 16: cr A track to make a sale sort of low easily.

1030
00:59:59,055 --> 01:00:02,015
Speaker 16: And my question to you is have you had any experience.

1031
01:00:02,415 --> 01:00:04,135
Speaker 16: I mean, I'm going to be frustrated with the cold

1032
01:00:04,175 --> 01:00:08,135
Speaker 16: saying and any idea of the time train, the cost,

1033
01:00:08,255 --> 01:00:10,375
Speaker 16: what I can expect. You know, I've got to have

1034
01:00:10,415 --> 01:00:13,255
Speaker 16: a meeting apparently to take All I've got is a

1035
01:00:13,295 --> 01:00:15,335
Speaker 16: waterproofing certificate which is.

1036
01:00:15,295 --> 01:00:19,215
Speaker 6: Good because it's often more than most people have, right,

1037
01:00:19,375 --> 01:00:23,095
Speaker 6: you know, so you're sort of on the right track

1038
01:00:23,935 --> 01:00:30,455
Speaker 6: because you've got some proof of compliance, right, And I

1039
01:00:30,575 --> 01:00:33,655
Speaker 6: share your frustration because if you look at you know

1040
01:00:33,815 --> 01:00:38,255
Speaker 6: where these things leak. Often it's actually around the floor,

1041
01:00:38,575 --> 01:00:44,415
Speaker 6: So level entry is the highest risk. Tiled a fully

1042
01:00:44,455 --> 01:00:50,255
Speaker 6: tiled enclosure, so walls and floor with a hob is risky,

1043
01:00:50,295 --> 01:00:55,175
Speaker 6: but less risky because of the hob. And then something

1044
01:00:55,175 --> 01:00:58,095
Speaker 6: with a pre formed shower base, whether that's a shower

1045
01:00:58,135 --> 01:01:01,255
Speaker 6: tray or on your instance, a bath with a lip

1046
01:01:01,695 --> 01:01:05,095
Speaker 6: that you can clearly bring the waterproofing over the top of.

1047
01:01:05,255 --> 01:01:08,815
Speaker 6: And a waterproof certificate, you know, a pears three from

1048
01:01:08,855 --> 01:01:12,135
Speaker 6: the waterproof or a statement from the waterproofer, you know,

1049
01:01:12,215 --> 01:01:15,935
Speaker 6: give some surety to everyone. And that's where I think

1050
01:01:16,055 --> 01:01:20,655
Speaker 6: his the inspector's first assessment is probably honest and real. Right,

1051
01:01:21,055 --> 01:01:23,415
Speaker 6: what's the risk here? If it was going to fail,

1052
01:01:23,495 --> 01:01:26,615
Speaker 6: it probably would have failed by now, right if it

1053
01:01:26,655 --> 01:01:29,735
Speaker 6: was done in twenty ten. So in a sense it's

1054
01:01:29,855 --> 01:01:35,735
Speaker 6: proved its compliance on a performance measure. Has it performed? Yes,

1055
01:01:35,775 --> 01:01:43,895
Speaker 6: it has because there's no evidence of leaking. So but

1056
01:01:44,215 --> 01:01:47,815
Speaker 6: I guess realism doesn't always work in the sense that

1057
01:01:48,295 --> 01:01:50,455
Speaker 6: you know there's not a problem. I could probably, listening

1058
01:01:50,455 --> 01:01:52,655
Speaker 6: to what you're saying, say no, there's not a problem.

1059
01:01:52,935 --> 01:01:57,575
Speaker 6: But because insurers and banks and so on are really

1060
01:01:57,615 --> 01:02:00,735
Speaker 6: really reluctant to loan on things that they consider risky,

1061
01:02:00,855 --> 01:02:03,655
Speaker 6: I something that maybe should have had a consent but

1062
01:02:03,735 --> 01:02:06,695
Speaker 6: doesn't have one, then that's where the problem is. There's

1063
01:02:06,735 --> 01:02:10,295
Speaker 6: two pathways. One is the certificate of acceptance, which I

1064
01:02:10,295 --> 01:02:13,655
Speaker 6: think you'd probably have reasonable grounds to get that, but

1065
01:02:13,775 --> 01:02:16,375
Speaker 6: you're going to get you're going to probably need someone

1066
01:02:16,535 --> 01:02:21,455
Speaker 6: like a building surveyor or a compliance specialist to undertake

1067
01:02:21,495 --> 01:02:23,855
Speaker 6: that work for you, So you're going to be up

1068
01:02:23,895 --> 01:02:25,935
Speaker 6: for a couple of thousand dollars by the time you

1069
01:02:25,975 --> 01:02:29,415
Speaker 6: go through that process. The other thing that's just popped

1070
01:02:29,455 --> 01:02:32,895
Speaker 6: up and landed on my desk this week for a

1071
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Speaker 6: project that's very similar to yours your situation, is a

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Speaker 6: letter of exemption, so essentially a statement seemingly issued by

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Speaker 6: counsel saying, you know, we regard the work as low

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Speaker 6: risk and therefore we're prepared to offer an exemption to

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Speaker 6: getting a building consent, which is I guess their way

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01:02:54,775 --> 01:02:57,895
Speaker 6: of saying, we don't know we're not telling you that

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01:02:57,935 --> 01:03:00,135
Speaker 6: it's okay, but we're telling you it was okay not

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Speaker 6: to get a consent at the time, which seems reasonable,

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01:03:04,935 --> 01:03:09,735
Speaker 6: So that might be another part way. It's on my

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01:03:09,895 --> 01:03:11,935
Speaker 6: to do list to figure out what that means for

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01:03:11,975 --> 01:03:14,695
Speaker 6: a client this week, so I'll try and mention it

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01:03:14,735 --> 01:03:18,975
Speaker 6: again next week on the show. But I think your

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01:03:18,975 --> 01:03:20,935
Speaker 6: next step, if you're going to sort of go and

1084
01:03:20,975 --> 01:03:24,175
Speaker 6: engage with counsel around the certificate of acceptance, you're going

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01:03:24,215 --> 01:03:29,015
Speaker 6: to need to seek advice from a compliance specialist. It's

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01:03:29,015 --> 01:03:35,015
Speaker 6: one of those things opportunity creates industry, so there are

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Speaker 6: a few people now working specifically in that space helping

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01:03:38,535 --> 01:03:41,695
Speaker 6: people like yourself to get to a compliance solution.

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Speaker 16: Can you suggest someone or.

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Speaker 6: I tell you what again? I'll pop you back and

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01:03:47,775 --> 01:03:49,335
Speaker 6: if you leave your details, I can put you in

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Speaker 6: touch with someone. Certainly. Just stay on the line. We'll

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01:03:53,055 --> 01:03:54,735
Speaker 6: be back in a moment. We're going to take short break.

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Speaker 6: We're going to get Bryce on the line. We're going

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Speaker 6: to knock out a whole bunch of painting questions for

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Speaker 6: you shortly, still time to send in your texts. Bryce McDermott,

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Speaker 6: our painting expert from razine with us straight after.

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Speaker 1: The break measure twice call once on eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty the resident builder with Peter wolf Camp and

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Speaker 1: Independent Building Supplies the future of can we building today?

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Speaker 6: News talks? There'd be news talks, there'd be And our

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01:04:21,215 --> 01:04:24,415
Speaker 6: painting expert Bryce McDermott is on the line. A very

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01:04:24,415 --> 01:04:26,135
Speaker 6: good morning to you, Bryce. How are you this morning?

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Speaker 9: Yeah? Good? Thanks, got the cat next to me pouring away.

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01:04:31,335 --> 01:04:35,695
Speaker 6: Yes, mine came in at about three forty five this morning,

1106
01:04:36,055 --> 01:04:39,015
Speaker 6: demanding attention and food and these sorts of things. Anyway,

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01:04:39,575 --> 01:04:45,815
Speaker 6: right yoh, now whether this changing and so suddenly we're thinking,

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01:04:46,935 --> 01:04:51,615
Speaker 6: you know, about painting in these conditions. So autumn days

1109
01:04:51,615 --> 01:04:53,855
Speaker 6: a little bit shorter, can get a little bit cooler,

1110
01:04:54,095 --> 01:04:57,495
Speaker 6: still quite warm for part of the day. What's the

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01:04:57,575 --> 01:04:59,455
Speaker 6: sort of thing that we really need to look for

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Speaker 6: if we're painting in these conditions?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, humidity is a big killer, you know, at

1114
01:05:05,615 --> 01:05:11,255
Speaker 9: all times. I keep harping on about time, but you know,

1115
01:05:11,735 --> 01:05:15,295
Speaker 9: look at reducing your painting times and maybe between ten

1116
01:05:15,335 --> 01:05:19,255
Speaker 9: o'clock and two o'clock, you know, just to allow the

1117
01:05:19,295 --> 01:05:24,615
Speaker 9: temperature to rise and to watch out for the due point,

1118
01:05:24,655 --> 01:05:26,935
Speaker 9: you know, that's another thing you can look for on

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01:05:26,975 --> 01:05:29,375
Speaker 9: your on your weather app on your phone as the

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Speaker 9: due point, which is a temperature that jew starts to

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01:05:33,655 --> 01:05:37,775
Speaker 9: form on surfaces and things like that. So that's always

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01:05:37,775 --> 01:05:40,535
Speaker 9: a good thing. So you just shorten your painting time.

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Speaker 9: If you're painting indoors, make sure you have a little

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Speaker 9: bit of through ventilation and if it's really super cold,

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01:05:49,335 --> 01:05:52,495
Speaker 9: you know, maybe introduce a dehumidifier or something like that,

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01:05:52,535 --> 01:05:55,575
Speaker 9: prove of another room and just let it gently pick

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01:05:55,655 --> 01:05:59,575
Speaker 9: over in another room. So you know, just just be

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Speaker 9: sensible about it and just watch your temperature and anti

1129
01:06:02,855 --> 01:06:06,255
Speaker 9: humidity and you know it's you know, it's not a race.

1130
01:06:06,455 --> 01:06:08,175
Speaker 9: You know, it'll get done eventually.

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01:06:09,815 --> 01:06:13,015
Speaker 6: Oh actually, just on that. I did send this through

1132
01:06:13,055 --> 01:06:15,935
Speaker 6: to Jay the other day. So made of mine just

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01:06:16,055 --> 01:06:19,375
Speaker 6: very quickly made of mine stripped back to bear timber,

1134
01:06:19,495 --> 01:06:24,615
Speaker 6: a Cawi window frame, right a sash, so knock the

1135
01:06:24,655 --> 01:06:27,455
Speaker 6: glass out, strip the all of the old paint off,

1136
01:06:28,295 --> 01:06:31,535
Speaker 6: gave it a code of primer, oil based primer. After

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01:06:31,575 --> 01:06:34,615
Speaker 6: about a day, it was still tacky. What do you

1138
01:06:34,615 --> 01:06:35,535
Speaker 6: think has happened there?

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01:06:38,495 --> 01:06:43,335
Speaker 9: Sometimes you know native timbers like teter Matti and things

1140
01:06:43,375 --> 01:06:49,775
Speaker 9: like that have I'm not exactly sure what happens to there,

1141
01:06:49,815 --> 01:06:53,815
Speaker 9: but oil based primers and things like that tend to

1142
01:06:54,135 --> 01:06:57,655
Speaker 9: not cure as well. So you know you should spot

1143
01:06:57,775 --> 01:07:00,295
Speaker 9: to quick drive for that sort of thing, and you'd

1144
01:07:00,295 --> 01:07:03,695
Speaker 9: be able to proceed quite happily. Okay, quick drive being

1145
01:07:03,735 --> 01:07:04,895
Speaker 9: in a collect primer.

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01:07:05,415 --> 01:07:08,655
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's awesome that, right, old, I'll mention that, tom. Right,

1147
01:07:08,895 --> 01:07:11,815
Speaker 6: let's rip into a couple of text Can I use

1148
01:07:12,055 --> 01:07:15,575
Speaker 6: water based roof paint on a rusted metal surface?

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01:07:18,375 --> 01:07:21,255
Speaker 9: Well you can, but you have to treat You have

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01:07:21,335 --> 01:07:26,615
Speaker 9: to treat the rust first, right, Yeah, we do have

1151
01:07:26,815 --> 01:07:29,935
Speaker 9: what we call a rust seiler now, which is a

1152
01:07:29,975 --> 01:07:32,335
Speaker 9: water born product that just converts the rust to a

1153
01:07:32,375 --> 01:07:36,735
Speaker 9: black material and then you can, mind you you've got

1154
01:07:36,735 --> 01:07:40,935
Speaker 9: to clean off all loosen and add a rusty material

1155
01:07:40,975 --> 01:07:44,335
Speaker 9: that you've got to on the first convert the rust.

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01:07:44,575 --> 01:07:48,975
Speaker 9: And then a galvanized iron primer or whether it be

1157
01:07:49,015 --> 01:07:53,215
Speaker 9: a gate or whatever it is that they're painting, a

1158
01:07:53,295 --> 01:07:57,895
Speaker 9: coat of GP primer or GALVEO one depending on right

1159
01:07:58,055 --> 01:08:01,895
Speaker 9: roofs or the gate, and then two coats of summit roof.

1160
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Speaker 6: Okay, brilliant, but yeah, just painting over rust is not

1161
01:08:06,935 --> 01:08:08,375
Speaker 6: a magic treatment is it.

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Speaker 9: No, No, you've got to actually remove all the loose materials,

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01:08:12,775 --> 01:08:13,935
Speaker 9: convert the rust.

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01:08:14,775 --> 01:08:19,495
Speaker 6: Right in the way you go now, similar thing. Someone's

1165
01:08:19,575 --> 01:08:21,615
Speaker 6: just checking in to make sure they're doing it right,

1166
01:08:21,615 --> 01:08:24,495
Speaker 6: and I think they are. So metal weather boards, metal

1167
01:08:24,575 --> 01:08:27,615
Speaker 6: pre painted weather boards. They're in very good condition. Wanting

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01:08:27,655 --> 01:08:30,735
Speaker 6: to do a repaint, so they've prepared and spot primed

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01:08:30,815 --> 01:08:34,495
Speaker 6: with some Razine Armor x GP solvent based primer two

1170
01:08:34,495 --> 01:08:38,015
Speaker 6: top coats of Sonics one oh one. I'm told by

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01:08:38,095 --> 01:08:40,455
Speaker 6: Razine this is the correct process. I don't need to

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Speaker 6: apply to completely prime every weather board. So I think

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01:08:46,175 --> 01:08:48,775
Speaker 6: he's right, isn't it? You know, tackle those areas where

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01:08:48,775 --> 01:08:50,375
Speaker 6: there might be a bit of rust or or it's

1175
01:08:50,615 --> 01:08:54,975
Speaker 6: it's come off. But if you're coating over a good coat,

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01:08:55,015 --> 01:08:57,055
Speaker 6: you don't necessarily need to reprime.

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Speaker 9: Everything, providing it's been painted before, right.

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Speaker 6: Yes, which in this one it has Okay.

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01:09:02,815 --> 01:09:05,015
Speaker 9: Yeah, everything's there, excellent.

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Speaker 6: Where are we going to ah now currently painting? Perhaps

1181
01:09:11,095 --> 01:09:13,415
Speaker 6: the roller was a bit dry and the paint has

1182
01:09:13,455 --> 01:09:18,055
Speaker 6: been pulled or dragged, leaving a slightly bobbly texture on

1183
01:09:18,095 --> 01:09:21,055
Speaker 6: the wall. Is there a way to fix that without

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01:09:21,135 --> 01:09:23,375
Speaker 6: standing it back? Thanks from Kyle.

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01:09:24,535 --> 01:09:29,735
Speaker 9: No, not really. What might have happened there is Well,

1186
01:09:29,775 --> 01:09:32,415
Speaker 9: there's a number of things wrong, type of roll of sleep,

1187
01:09:34,095 --> 01:09:37,935
Speaker 9: overworking it when it's starting to actually to dry. You know,

1188
01:09:38,015 --> 01:09:42,415
Speaker 9: it's been reasonably hot lately, and you know the surface

1189
01:09:42,495 --> 01:09:45,855
Speaker 9: can start to go off, and if you're overworking it,

1190
01:09:45,855 --> 01:09:51,495
Speaker 9: it'll texture it up quite quickly. Right, use a bit

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01:09:51,535 --> 01:09:54,655
Speaker 9: of hot weather cineer maybe just to give you a

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01:09:54,655 --> 01:09:58,815
Speaker 9: bit more working time. But no, there's no You've really

1193
01:09:58,855 --> 01:10:00,815
Speaker 9: got to send it's mood again, because if you just

1194
01:10:00,855 --> 01:10:03,895
Speaker 9: paint over it, you're just going to increase the texture.

1195
01:10:03,975 --> 01:10:06,255
Speaker 6: It'll just build on it so right, it'll build rather

1196
01:10:06,415 --> 01:10:09,015
Speaker 6: then you're kind of flatten it out by painting over

1197
01:10:09,055 --> 01:10:11,175
Speaker 6: it unfortunately.

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Speaker 9: Okay, and if it's water base paint, you know it

1199
01:10:14,095 --> 01:10:15,775
Speaker 9: will be a bit of a mission to try and

1200
01:10:15,855 --> 01:10:19,255
Speaker 9: sand it smooth because it does tend to give up

1201
01:10:19,255 --> 01:10:21,335
Speaker 9: the sandface for being a water war material.

1202
01:10:21,735 --> 01:10:26,615
Speaker 6: Yeah. Ouch, okay, but no, there's not a simple answer there,

1203
01:10:26,655 --> 01:10:27,055
Speaker 6: I think.

1204
01:10:28,255 --> 01:10:28,455
Speaker 8: Right.

1205
01:10:30,455 --> 01:10:34,295
Speaker 6: Twenty year old sectional garage door clad in horizontal seed,

1206
01:10:34,295 --> 01:10:37,615
Speaker 6: a tongue and groove stained in a sort of honey color.

1207
01:10:37,935 --> 01:10:40,495
Speaker 6: The surface is now in poor condition. It's flaking and

1208
01:10:40,535 --> 01:10:44,895
Speaker 6: it's worn out. The timbers sound. What options does Rezimee

1209
01:10:44,975 --> 01:10:48,375
Speaker 6: suggest sand back to re raw timber and re stain

1210
01:10:48,935 --> 01:10:51,775
Speaker 6: or could I sand to a firm surface and apply

1211
01:10:52,415 --> 01:10:55,815
Speaker 6: maybe a solid paint system over the top. So there's

1212
01:10:55,895 --> 01:10:58,175
Speaker 6: there's a couple of options, there isn't it. It's obviously

1213
01:10:58,655 --> 01:11:02,295
Speaker 6: maintenance has been delayed, the coating is broken down. You

1214
01:11:02,375 --> 01:11:06,855
Speaker 6: could reapply a stain, or if you want to actually

1215
01:11:06,895 --> 01:11:08,695
Speaker 6: give it a solid coat of paint, how would you

1216
01:11:08,735 --> 01:11:08,975
Speaker 6: do that?

1217
01:11:10,535 --> 01:11:14,455
Speaker 9: Okay, well, the first top in the stain is give

1218
01:11:14,495 --> 01:11:18,975
Speaker 9: it a good wash down with deckwash, just to remove

1219
01:11:19,015 --> 01:11:22,175
Speaker 9: all the old stain residue and add bits and pieces

1220
01:11:22,175 --> 01:11:25,695
Speaker 9: that might be there. You may want to give it

1221
01:11:25,895 --> 01:11:29,175
Speaker 9: a moss and mold treatment if the top half of

1222
01:11:29,215 --> 01:11:32,415
Speaker 9: the door, which doesn't get sun or wind and rain

1223
01:11:32,535 --> 01:11:35,055
Speaker 9: and stuff like that, has a bit of black mold

1224
01:11:35,095 --> 01:11:37,895
Speaker 9: on it or anything like that, So give it a

1225
01:11:37,935 --> 01:11:42,495
Speaker 9: good wash down and then you can reapply two coats

1226
01:11:42,495 --> 01:11:45,375
Speaker 9: of stain. Depends on the type of stain, and they

1227
01:11:45,415 --> 01:11:51,175
Speaker 9: probably don't know what stain it is because nobody keeps

1228
01:11:51,855 --> 01:11:54,455
Speaker 9: the buckets for any length of time. I wouldn't think.

1229
01:11:55,615 --> 01:11:58,335
Speaker 9: But if it's a normal stain, yes you can restain

1230
01:11:58,415 --> 01:12:01,535
Speaker 9: it if you're going to go dark, just don't expect

1231
01:12:01,535 --> 01:12:05,335
Speaker 9: it to cover in one go. You know, it's a

1232
01:12:05,375 --> 01:12:09,415
Speaker 9: long process to change the color of a door, right, yes,

1233
01:12:11,055 --> 01:12:14,975
Speaker 9: to paint it, you still washed your wass and mole

1234
01:12:15,055 --> 01:12:18,735
Speaker 9: and wash it downward timber and deck wash, and then

1235
01:12:18,775 --> 01:12:22,295
Speaker 9: apply a full coat of oil based wood driver, and

1236
01:12:22,335 --> 01:12:26,455
Speaker 9: then two coats of an acrylic over the top, probably

1237
01:12:26,495 --> 01:12:30,895
Speaker 9: something like lastcrilla or an amacrel because you know, being

1238
01:12:30,935 --> 01:12:33,415
Speaker 9: a sectional door, you don't want something to you know,

1239
01:12:33,975 --> 01:12:36,855
Speaker 9: normal a critical stick. If there's those you know, the

1240
01:12:36,935 --> 01:12:41,615
Speaker 9: sections meet as it folds down. Yes, yeah, so that

1241
01:12:41,655 --> 01:12:42,255
Speaker 9: would be the.

1242
01:12:42,215 --> 01:12:48,495
Speaker 6: Go okay, that makes sense. Now this is an interesting one.

1243
01:12:48,575 --> 01:12:50,775
Speaker 6: The heads of lots of stainless steel bolts on my

1244
01:12:50,815 --> 01:12:53,855
Speaker 6: wooden deck are rusting. I'd like to paint them what product?

1245
01:12:54,255 --> 01:12:57,375
Speaker 6: I mean? I know that that's counterintuitive, isn't it. It's

1246
01:12:57,415 --> 01:12:59,855
Speaker 6: stainless steel for a reason, But I have seen it

1247
01:12:59,935 --> 01:13:02,335
Speaker 6: rust so okay, So you've got a bit of stainless

1248
01:13:02,375 --> 01:13:05,975
Speaker 6: it's starting to rust and good old hot gussy. What

1249
01:13:06,015 --> 01:13:07,455
Speaker 6: would used to coat it?

1250
01:13:10,015 --> 01:13:13,615
Speaker 9: I would probably even use a three M scrubbing pad,

1251
01:13:13,695 --> 01:13:16,055
Speaker 9: you know, like the pots g and just get rid

1252
01:13:16,095 --> 01:13:18,135
Speaker 9: of that surface raft on the on the on the

1253
01:13:18,175 --> 01:13:23,415
Speaker 9: bolt right screws or whatever they are, and then spot

1254
01:13:23,455 --> 01:13:26,175
Speaker 9: prime them with a bit of GP prime and then

1255
01:13:27,375 --> 01:13:31,415
Speaker 9: and then repaint the debt. Yes, okay, that would put

1256
01:13:31,455 --> 01:13:33,055
Speaker 9: it to be the only option. I would think.

1257
01:13:33,215 --> 01:13:37,135
Speaker 6: Lots of people wanting to Yeah, I know, look, I

1258
01:13:37,175 --> 01:13:38,935
Speaker 6: have seen it. It's a weird old thing, but I

1259
01:13:38,975 --> 01:13:44,295
Speaker 6: have seen it. Lots of people wanting to paint steel today.

1260
01:13:44,575 --> 01:13:47,735
Speaker 6: So someone who's going to have their corrigid iron roof repainted,

1261
01:13:47,775 --> 01:13:50,255
Speaker 6: they're going to change the color. Can they also paint

1262
01:13:50,295 --> 01:13:53,295
Speaker 6: the spouting and the facia. Well, if it's metal, then

1263
01:13:53,575 --> 01:13:55,975
Speaker 6: yes you can. It'd be the same process, wouldn't it.

1264
01:13:56,855 --> 01:14:00,735
Speaker 9: Yeah, if it's I've seen color steel guttering, but also

1265
01:14:00,815 --> 01:14:05,415
Speaker 9: the facier is made of color steel as well. It

1266
01:14:05,415 --> 01:14:08,695
Speaker 9: can be done. You've got a product called pre coated

1267
01:14:08,695 --> 01:14:12,415
Speaker 9: steel primer that will quite happily do that. So, yeah,

1268
01:14:12,495 --> 01:14:14,335
Speaker 9: you can bring the roof color down and over the

1269
01:14:14,335 --> 01:14:17,215
Speaker 9: gutthering and onto the facer as well, providing its color steel.

1270
01:14:17,415 --> 01:14:20,655
Speaker 9: Right if it's if it's timber, yes, you know you

1271
01:14:20,735 --> 01:14:23,255
Speaker 9: might as well use the you know, the same product

1272
01:14:23,495 --> 01:14:27,295
Speaker 9: that you've done on the roof, but just primate appropriately.

1273
01:14:27,855 --> 01:14:31,935
Speaker 6: Okay, now this is this might be our last one.

1274
01:14:32,015 --> 01:14:35,295
Speaker 6: It's a it's a classic Pete A question for Bryce.

1275
01:14:35,335 --> 01:14:38,615
Speaker 6: I'm a woodworker. Most of my pieces I usually use

1276
01:14:39,975 --> 01:14:43,175
Speaker 6: like a buffed oil and wax. But I think they're

1277
01:14:43,215 --> 01:14:47,335
Speaker 6: wanting something that's a little bit more impermeable. They've used

1278
01:14:47,535 --> 01:14:50,775
Speaker 6: oil based polyurethanes in the past, but now they're thinking

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Speaker 6: about the razine water based eurothane, putting it on with

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Speaker 6: a speed brush. Can I can I get a sort

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Speaker 6: of saturn look in that?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 11: You can?

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Speaker 9: Even you can even get a flat.

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Speaker 6: Ah.

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Speaker 9: We've got a product called a quickly a natural which

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Speaker 9: is a dead flat, which a lot of people are

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Speaker 9: using on fireplace around. Yes, you're sarking and stuff like that,

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Speaker 9: you know, just to give it that natural dead flat look,

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Speaker 9: you know, which is quite popular. Probably not great for outside,

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Speaker 9: but you know, if we do have that option, and

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Speaker 9: we do have a satin finish and equal clear as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the durability, you know, I think sometimes the

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Speaker 6: assumption is the durability's not there in the in the

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Speaker 6: waterborne But my own experiences, I did a worktop, so

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Speaker 6: plywood worktop that I used as in my office for

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Speaker 6: years and years and years in Waterborne your thing, no

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Speaker 6: trouble at all, lasted, Yeah, incredibly well for a team

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Speaker 6: of twelve years. No trouble.

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Speaker 9: Yeah. I put in an old recycled fireplace, wooden fireplace

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Speaker 9: found in my place, and I sprayed that with this

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Speaker 9: sat water board and polyuria and the wood burner churns

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Speaker 9: out a lot of heat. Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Sure, but it's.

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Speaker 9: Surviving quite happily. And that was ten twenty years ago

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Speaker 9: that I did that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, brilliant, brilliant. Bryce is always an absolute pleasure. Thank

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Speaker 6: you very much for your time this morning and more

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Speaker 6: importantly your expertise, and we'll talk again.

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Speaker 9: So okay, take care.

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Speaker 6: Bryce, all the best. Thanks very much to Bryce for

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Speaker 6: joining us this morning. If you want good advice from

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Speaker 6: the people that know a lot about painting, pretty much

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Speaker 6: everything about painting, talk to your team at your Razine

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Speaker 6: color shop. It is seven forty eight here at news

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Speaker 6: Talk ZB back in a.

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Speaker 1: Moment beg thing what they forgot to mention on that

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Speaker 1: YouTube video the Resident Building with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent

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Speaker 1: Building Supplies the future of Kiwi Building Today Call OH

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty eight Youth Talk theb.

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Speaker 6: I love that little promo because it does talk about YouTube.

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you a little bit more about a little

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Speaker 6: little episode or project we're doing, which will be on YouTube.

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Speaker 6: Is on YouTube right now in just a moment, so

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Speaker 6: stand by for that. But first up, Mary, thanks for waiting.

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Speaker 6: A very good morning to you.

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Speaker 12: Very good morning to YouTube. Peter, thank you for the

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Speaker 12: great show.

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Speaker 6: So I'm still my pleasure.

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Speaker 12: Thank you for saving Sorry I was rushing because I

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Speaker 12: know time isn't the us go you Hey, I'm still

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Speaker 12: fixed up things from this pain to home handy man.

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Speaker 12: My front door, which in winter even now and again

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Speaker 12: gets rained on. It was sticking, and instead of going

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Speaker 12: down the horizontal sorry the vertical line, he went underneath

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Speaker 12: and planed it. And then after he went toy and

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Speaker 12: finished as where I have found holes and it's leaking

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Speaker 12: orange when water hits the door onto it leaks orange

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Speaker 12: shade onto the door step. This is one of many problems,

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Speaker 12: and he's very difficult to talk to. Should I fell

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Speaker 12: with wood for love, wait for it to dry and

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Speaker 12: then carefully painted, or should I fill it with storm

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Speaker 12: water resistance? Full of it you can use your bathrooms

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Speaker 12: and outside and things.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so the front door needed easing in order to

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01:18:41,775 --> 01:18:45,415
Speaker 6: it was binding somewhere. So someone's taken a planer playing

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Speaker 6: the bottom of the door off, which is not uncommon,

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Speaker 6: and then reinstalled the door, but didn't paint the bottom

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Speaker 6: of the door.

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Speaker 12: M hm, that's right, okay. And it's also got a

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Speaker 12: little holes in it about up to you without three

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Speaker 12: little holes up to the first knuckle of your baby

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Speaker 12: finger sort of thing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, okay, So there's probably a bit of rot

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Speaker 6: in the bottom of the door. That's what that's about.

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Speaker 6: I would have thought.

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Speaker 12: It feels like edges. It feels like edges, like sharp

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Speaker 12: rectangular edges. And I put a mirror there with a torch,

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Speaker 12: and that's what it looks like too, because I wondered,

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Speaker 12: you know, what could hold. So I think while it's

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Speaker 12: been playing some things, sorry, go ahead, I think while

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Speaker 12: it's been planed with some of the structure has been.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, potentially. Look, if you go through and playing

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Speaker 6: the underside of the door, you've obviously got the end

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Speaker 6: grain of the styles that come down, and then you've

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Speaker 6: got your planing with the grain of that bottom section

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Speaker 6: of the door. A couple of just a practical solution

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Speaker 6: someone's going to need to take the door off, pop

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Speaker 6: it onto a couple of sawhorses, sand the bottom of

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Speaker 6: it smooth, use some good quality epoxy filler of some

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Speaker 6: description to fill up any of those holes on the underside.

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Speaker 6: You may want to seal it first, then use a filler,

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Speaker 6: or use a filler and then paint over it, depending

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Speaker 6: on which system you're going to use. The other thing

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Speaker 6: is that before you actually before you take the door off,

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Speaker 6: check that there's a sufficient gap. Often we don't. It's

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Speaker 6: a it's an interesting sort of combination of two things

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Speaker 6: that you need. One is you need a gap that

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Speaker 6: allows water that might drain down the door not to

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Speaker 6: be sucked up inside that gap. So it needs to

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Speaker 6: be more than about four millimeters to ensure that a

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Speaker 6: rain drop surface tension on a rain drop doesn't stick

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Speaker 6: to the underside of the door or to window sash

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Speaker 6: and be sucked up inside. So but also you want

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Speaker 6: to make sure that the bottom of that is completely sealed.

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Speaker 6: So when when the doors in place, make sure that

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Speaker 6: the gap is around four millimeters. If it is, that's great,

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Speaker 6: take it off, sand it, you know, prep it, fill

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Speaker 6: it prime, then rehang the door. Because I think what's

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Speaker 6: happening is moisture is getting in there and it's draining

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Speaker 6: out some of the sap and that sort of thing,

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Speaker 6: and that's what you're seeing on the door sill. But

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Speaker 6: having the right size gap around join it, particularly we're

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Speaker 6: talking really timber joinery right, is really really important. And

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Speaker 6: I was looking at a house the other day with

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Speaker 6: a friend, opened the window and it had been raining

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Speaker 6: the day before, and because there was an insufficient gap

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Speaker 6: under the opening sash when I opened the window, the

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Speaker 6: water was still sitting there right. There wasn't enough fall

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Speaker 6: on the sill to let the water drain out, and

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Speaker 6: because there was an insufficient gap, the water was being

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Speaker 6: held there by the surface tension between the two surfaces.

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Speaker 6: So it's a really interesting little dynamic. But either way,

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Speaker 6: someone's going to have to take the door off, seal

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Speaker 6: the bottom, and then rehang the door, but make sure

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Speaker 6: the gap is right. So good luck with that, Mary.

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Speaker 6: We're going to talk to John after the break. I've

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Speaker 6: got a bunch of texts to try and catch up with,

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Speaker 6: and I will I'll tell you about my little YouTube

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Speaker 6: project straight after the break, which is the news top

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Speaker 6: of the hour at eight o'clock. Remember Red Climb passed

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Speaker 6: in an available to you to talk all things gardening

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Speaker 6: and the wonderful world of bugs from eight point thirty

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Speaker 6: as well back after the news.

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Speaker 1: Turning Oh's into She'll be right the resident builder with

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Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building supplies the future of Kiwi

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Speaker 1: building today Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News talksb.

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Speaker 6: Yeah A, News talks heb. It is six minutes after

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Speaker 6: eight on a Sunday morning, fifteenth of March. I's March,

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Speaker 6: isn't it. That's the whole brutus Julius Caesar. Think it's

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Speaker 6: also my nephew's birthday, so happy birthday. Heath Radio and

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Speaker 6: a couple of things on, including the Wooden Boat Festival.

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Speaker 6: And one of the organizers, one of the participants rang

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Speaker 6: earlier in the day after say it does look pretty

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Speaker 6: damn good down at Auckland, around the Viaduct Harbor, around

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Speaker 6: the Maritime Museum and then across at the Events center.

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Speaker 6: And I think there's a workshop that's open as well

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Speaker 6: for those people into the old wooden boats. So lot's

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Speaker 6: happening around if you've got a question of a building

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01:23:22,255 --> 01:23:24,935
Speaker 6: nature Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 6: that number to call. Actually a whole bunch of texts,

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Speaker 6: and I'm I'm not going to get to all of

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Speaker 6: them today. But one caller, Richard earlier on, was talking

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Speaker 6: about having lino planking laid, and then he's noticed that

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01:23:37,935 --> 01:23:40,615
Speaker 6: all of the butt joins basically where the ends of

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Speaker 6: the boards join, they've all peaked. They're all starting to rise.

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Speaker 6: Someone's text through peat that lamon. It will be an

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Speaker 6: expansion of the vinyl plank. It's supposed to be on

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Speaker 6: site for a few days to acclimatize the windows covered

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Speaker 6: until it's well set. Direct sunlight or heat will cause

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Speaker 6: this peaking. Yes, it is an install failure from Tommy,

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Speaker 6: so hopefully that helps. And yes, got a couple of

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Speaker 6: other text to get to in just a moment. Eight

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Speaker 6: minutes after eight the lines are open. We're talking building

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01:24:12,575 --> 01:24:15,295
Speaker 6: through to eight thirty. From eight thirty this morning, Red

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Speaker 6: Climb Past will be with us. So if you've got

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01:24:17,255 --> 01:24:19,895
Speaker 6: a question for ridd we will we will come to that.

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Speaker 6: At around eight thirty this morning. The lines are open.

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Speaker 6: The number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty John,

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Speaker 6: Good morning.

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Speaker 13: Good morning to your Peter like my prairie is roofe

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Speaker 13: slashing related, Yes, the eaves slashing which turns down into

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Speaker 13: the gutter. The width of the wall is nine meters,

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01:24:40,495 --> 01:24:44,215
Speaker 13: so I have two pieces of slashing to join in

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01:24:44,255 --> 01:24:47,295
Speaker 13: the middle life and fold up at the ends where

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Speaker 13: they meet the walls either side. I just wanted to

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Speaker 13: know what the overlap should be and the silicon and

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Speaker 13: rivets sufficiency to join that in the middle, and Y

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Speaker 13: send the fold up measurement either side.

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Speaker 6: Typically, if you do a lap of about one hundred

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Speaker 6: and fifty millimeters, so lapping those two pieces of flashing

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Speaker 6: over and then let's say you install the first one

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Speaker 6: and the next one's going to lap over one hundred

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Speaker 6: and fifty MILI do a bead of sealant where the

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Speaker 6: first part of the lap is so that you're covering

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Speaker 6: either side of the lap basically, so you'll have two

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Speaker 6: beads of sealant. Interestingly enough, I saw something the other

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Speaker 6: day around there is actually a sort of a guidance

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Speaker 6: or a requirement that when you seal two pieces of

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Speaker 6: metal or you overlap them, that you must apply the

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Speaker 6: sealant in such a way that it's visible on the join,

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Speaker 6: so you let's say you did a bead of sealant

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Speaker 6: ten millimeters inside. When you press those two surfaces together,

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Speaker 6: the sealant should extrude out of the junction so you

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Speaker 6: can see it someone. I saw something the other day

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Speaker 6: about someone getting picked up on that, because I suppose

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Speaker 6: without that, an inspector might never know whether you've applied

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Speaker 6: a bead of seilant behind it. And then basically rivets

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Speaker 6: at fifty milli centers will hold that together really nicely.

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Speaker 13: Just one row of river.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know that there's any real reason that

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Speaker 6: you would do two rows to pack up both sides

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01:26:34,015 --> 01:26:38,135
Speaker 6: because the lap that's covered or the end of the

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01:26:38,215 --> 01:26:43,215
Speaker 6: under flashing that's held in place by the top flashing,

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Speaker 6: so you know, fixing those two together doesn't make any

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Speaker 6: difference in terms of weather proofing, in terms of stopping

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Speaker 6: moisture from getting in there.

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Speaker 13: Okay, and the hem at the top of the yestation,

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Speaker 13: can you cut that off? No one, you know?

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Speaker 6: And it's a really interesting one. And I was I

1491
01:27:07,375 --> 01:27:10,895
Speaker 6: was actually doing some training modules not last week, the

1492
01:27:10,935 --> 01:27:14,975
Speaker 6: week before, and we were talking about exactly that. So

1493
01:27:15,015 --> 01:27:17,655
Speaker 6: it's quite common now for flashings to have a hem.

1494
01:27:18,215 --> 01:27:21,335
Speaker 6: And I said to the presenter actually, who happened to

1495
01:27:21,375 --> 01:27:24,015
Speaker 6: be from Brands, and I said, well, you know, in

1496
01:27:24,055 --> 01:27:27,615
Speaker 6: this instance, it was like a backflashing in an internal corner,

1497
01:27:28,055 --> 01:27:30,735
Speaker 6: and so the flashing might be fifty by fifty with

1498
01:27:30,855 --> 01:27:33,255
Speaker 6: a hem on it. And I said, look, to be fair,

1499
01:27:33,255 --> 01:27:35,255
Speaker 6: they're always in the way when it comes to doing

1500
01:27:35,335 --> 01:27:38,455
Speaker 6: a cladding, and so most a lot of contractors will

1501
01:27:38,495 --> 01:27:42,855
Speaker 6: just bang them flat right or cut them off. They're

1502
01:27:42,895 --> 01:27:46,655
Speaker 6: there to prevent moisture from tracking around. Now, I would say,

1503
01:27:46,695 --> 01:27:50,255
Speaker 6: if it's an e flashing with an upstand, if you're

1504
01:27:50,255 --> 01:27:53,655
Speaker 6: having them custom made, if you made the upstand higher

1505
01:27:53,695 --> 01:27:56,455
Speaker 6: than what you might require. So let's say it's reasonable

1506
01:27:56,495 --> 01:28:01,895
Speaker 6: to go, I'm going to leave fifty mili for my cladding.

1507
01:28:02,055 --> 01:28:04,775
Speaker 6: Then I'm going to want let's say another one hundred

1508
01:28:04,855 --> 01:28:08,055
Speaker 6: mili of cover water is not driven up and over

1509
01:28:08,095 --> 01:28:10,655
Speaker 6: the flashing, but instead of going one hundred mil I'm

1510
01:28:10,655 --> 01:28:13,335
Speaker 6: going to go one hundred and fifty milimeters. And maybe

1511
01:28:13,375 --> 01:28:17,455
Speaker 6: you're taping that to the building underlay or something like that,

1512
01:28:17,575 --> 01:28:20,055
Speaker 6: or you having the underlay flapping over the top of it.

1513
01:28:20,135 --> 01:28:23,935
Speaker 6: Then in all practicality it's unlikely that you need the

1514
01:28:24,015 --> 01:28:26,815
Speaker 6: hem there. But the hem is there for a reason,

1515
01:28:27,055 --> 01:28:30,095
Speaker 6: and cutting them off defeats the purpose of having them

1516
01:28:30,135 --> 01:28:31,055
Speaker 6: there in the first place.

1517
01:28:32,215 --> 01:28:36,135
Speaker 13: Okay, Yeah, and the tune up at the end as

1518
01:28:36,135 --> 01:28:37,455
Speaker 13: they buck up against the walls.

1519
01:28:39,255 --> 01:28:42,375
Speaker 6: Again, Depending on how that junction is detailed, you might

1520
01:28:42,495 --> 01:28:45,975
Speaker 6: end up either cutting the sheet on the let's say,

1521
01:28:46,015 --> 01:28:48,815
Speaker 6: on the flat surface and folding it around so you've

1522
01:28:48,815 --> 01:28:54,615
Speaker 6: got the full upstand, or you make the flashing longer

1523
01:28:54,735 --> 01:28:57,495
Speaker 6: and you put in a corner flashing first, so you

1524
01:28:57,535 --> 01:29:01,535
Speaker 6: put in a return flashing with a return and then

1525
01:29:01,575 --> 01:29:05,895
Speaker 6: you overlap that. So it's it's kind of whatever works,

1526
01:29:05,895 --> 01:29:09,095
Speaker 6: and that's situation. But obviously what you don't want is

1527
01:29:09,135 --> 01:29:13,415
Speaker 6: that you run the flashing into that corner and it

1528
01:29:13,535 --> 01:29:16,495
Speaker 6: just stops there. You need some sort of upstand to

1529
01:29:16,895 --> 01:29:18,255
Speaker 6: ensure that it remains we're the.

1530
01:29:18,295 --> 01:29:21,895
Speaker 13: Type right, Okay, when we're talking about the hens, I

1531
01:29:21,935 --> 01:29:26,855
Speaker 13: had trouble with the paper, the roof paper four oh

1532
01:29:26,895 --> 01:29:31,695
Speaker 13: five I was using, and where it hits that hemmet

1533
01:29:32,055 --> 01:29:35,375
Speaker 13: kind of drops down and creates a little lower point

1534
01:29:35,415 --> 01:29:40,455
Speaker 13: where the water could sit, you know, and it's it's

1535
01:29:40,495 --> 01:29:45,455
Speaker 13: got a small overhang on the eaves about one hundred mils.

1536
01:29:45,495 --> 01:29:50,295
Speaker 13: So I put another perline into oh yea to lift

1537
01:29:50,375 --> 01:29:54,775
Speaker 13: that up. Yes, and let's work to a degree. But

1538
01:29:54,775 --> 01:29:57,535
Speaker 13: it's very hard to pull a paper tight when when

1539
01:29:57,575 --> 01:29:59,975
Speaker 13: you're pulling it down over a metal flash.

1540
01:30:00,255 --> 01:30:02,015
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right there. Last, But because you've got no

1541
01:30:02,055 --> 01:30:03,895
Speaker 6: fixings right, it's not like you can put a staple

1542
01:30:03,935 --> 01:30:04,335
Speaker 6: through there.

1543
01:30:05,175 --> 01:30:08,015
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a.

1544
01:30:08,055 --> 01:30:10,615
Speaker 6: Bit fiddly, but I think you're on the right track

1545
01:30:10,615 --> 01:30:12,855
Speaker 6: and at least you're asking the right questions. And I

1546
01:30:12,855 --> 01:30:15,055
Speaker 6: don't mean to be patronizing, but that's really important to

1547
01:30:15,055 --> 01:30:16,135
Speaker 6: ask the right questions.

1548
01:30:16,855 --> 01:30:20,375
Speaker 13: Well, you can't find everything on YouTube, funnily enough.

1549
01:30:20,175 --> 01:30:22,055
Speaker 6: You can't. You might be right, but I might be

1550
01:30:22,055 --> 01:30:24,255
Speaker 6: able to help with that as well. Hey, lovely to

1551
01:30:24,295 --> 01:30:25,855
Speaker 6: chat with you. All the very best to you, John,

1552
01:30:26,095 --> 01:30:30,535
Speaker 6: take care all the best. By then, just talking about YouTube,

1553
01:30:31,095 --> 01:30:34,895
Speaker 6: I started a little exercise with the team at Retro

1554
01:30:35,015 --> 01:30:39,455
Speaker 6: dg so Betro Performance Glass, who do the double glazing units,

1555
01:30:39,535 --> 01:30:45,095
Speaker 6: kind of demystifying some things around double glazing and what

1556
01:30:45,215 --> 01:30:46,935
Speaker 6: it does, how you can use it, how you can

1557
01:30:46,975 --> 01:30:50,935
Speaker 6: maximize it, and if you search for to be fair,

1558
01:30:50,975 --> 01:30:54,375
Speaker 6: and I don't like searching for myself necessarily, but if

1559
01:30:54,415 --> 01:30:59,815
Speaker 6: you search for Peter Wolfcamp smarter glass, better living. You'll fine,

1560
01:30:59,895 --> 01:31:02,415
Speaker 6: It'll take you straight to the YouTube link, so and

1561
01:31:02,495 --> 01:31:04,455
Speaker 6: all of the information there, and then a couple of

1562
01:31:04,455 --> 01:31:06,295
Speaker 6: websites that you can look at as well to find

1563
01:31:06,295 --> 01:31:08,575
Speaker 6: a little bit more about double glazing. So that's a

1564
01:31:08,695 --> 01:31:10,655
Speaker 6: sort of an update. And there's some new blogs on

1565
01:31:10,655 --> 01:31:14,095
Speaker 6: my website as well, which is resident builder dot Co.

1566
01:31:14,295 --> 01:31:17,175
Speaker 6: Dot In said, right, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

1567
01:31:17,295 --> 01:31:22,375
Speaker 6: eighty is the number to call filled good morning to you. Sorry,

1568
01:31:22,455 --> 01:31:24,255
Speaker 6: yes there I am are you.

1569
01:31:24,695 --> 01:31:28,095
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, the crash went then, Yeah, I'd just like

1570
01:31:28,175 --> 01:31:30,615
Speaker 8: to talk about people trying to paint things that they

1571
01:31:30,655 --> 01:31:34,735
Speaker 8: get stuff coming through from underneath that like Matti and

1572
01:31:35,295 --> 01:31:38,935
Speaker 8: y Yeah, it was terrible. The oil just kept on

1573
01:31:38,975 --> 01:31:42,175
Speaker 8: coming through. They did have a special prime the fort once,

1574
01:31:42,255 --> 01:31:44,735
Speaker 8: but I don't know whether it's even available, but it

1575
01:31:44,855 --> 01:31:53,015
Speaker 8: was actually branded as Matti Matte'd primate, right, and we

1576
01:31:53,095 --> 01:31:55,455
Speaker 8: used to use it on where we had to do

1577
01:31:55,495 --> 01:31:58,815
Speaker 8: all our prime their own faces once before we got

1578
01:31:58,855 --> 01:32:01,695
Speaker 8: the you know, the long run from a jointed Pine.

1579
01:32:01,575 --> 01:32:06,175
Speaker 6: And would you have done the glaciers and Massie Yeah, yeah.

1580
01:32:06,415 --> 01:32:10,255
Speaker 8: Think anything you get yeah. Yeah. It was about the

1581
01:32:10,295 --> 01:32:15,255
Speaker 8: only clean timber roused between but that the the length

1582
01:32:15,335 --> 01:32:17,375
Speaker 8: started getting shorter and shorter.

1583
01:32:18,535 --> 01:32:20,215
Speaker 6: Because they ran out of tall trees.

1584
01:32:20,455 --> 01:32:23,495
Speaker 8: Yeah, and yeah, you would have to you'd have to

1585
01:32:23,535 --> 01:32:27,175
Speaker 8: mit all of these together and then try Yeah. Yeah,

1586
01:32:27,335 --> 01:32:29,775
Speaker 8: it was just part of building at much time. But

1587
01:32:29,895 --> 01:32:32,455
Speaker 8: going back a little bit further than me I was,

1588
01:32:33,015 --> 01:32:36,575
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm seventy eight now, but there's I was

1589
01:32:36,575 --> 01:32:38,975
Speaker 8: talking when I was quite a bit younger, and he

1590
01:32:39,095 --> 01:32:42,535
Speaker 8: was eighty then, and he worked on houses, new houses

1591
01:32:43,015 --> 01:32:46,895
Speaker 8: that were in his apprenticeship. They were very built in Newton. Going. Yes,

1592
01:32:47,895 --> 01:32:52,015
Speaker 8: you're probably going back to nineteen hundred, you know, nineteen hundreds. Yeah,

1593
01:32:52,055 --> 01:32:54,255
Speaker 8: And he said that he only I think he only

1594
01:32:54,295 --> 01:32:57,255
Speaker 8: said we saw at once they built a house out

1595
01:32:57,255 --> 01:33:04,175
Speaker 8: of twelve by one. Matt, I'll wear the bulls, And

1596
01:33:04,215 --> 01:33:06,015
Speaker 8: he said they had it all. And then the painters

1597
01:33:06,135 --> 01:33:08,895
Speaker 8: ride and the apprentice paint had to get out of

1598
01:33:08,895 --> 01:33:13,735
Speaker 8: all these big rocks of line out of there, out

1599
01:33:13,735 --> 01:33:15,855
Speaker 8: of there. I supposed to be a horse and cart

1600
01:33:15,935 --> 01:33:18,175
Speaker 8: in those days anyhow. And then he put it in

1601
01:33:18,175 --> 01:33:20,415
Speaker 8: the bucket. Then he poured kerosene on top of that,

1602
01:33:20,895 --> 01:33:22,655
Speaker 8: and he had to stand there with a stick and

1603
01:33:22,695 --> 01:33:25,735
Speaker 8: poke and stir and whatever until he made you know

1604
01:33:25,775 --> 01:33:26,255
Speaker 8: what he made.

1605
01:33:26,295 --> 01:33:30,535
Speaker 6: Don't you like a slurry? Or it's a preservative, isn't

1606
01:33:30,575 --> 01:33:36,695
Speaker 6: it whitewash? Whitewash, that's our white line and kerosene.

1607
01:33:37,175 --> 01:33:42,375
Speaker 8: Yeah, and remember of yeah, the stories used to read

1608
01:33:42,735 --> 01:33:46,775
Speaker 8: reader with younger about the old grandmother sent the sent

1609
01:33:46,895 --> 01:33:49,935
Speaker 8: this grandson out there to whitewash the fence all the time.

1610
01:33:49,975 --> 01:33:52,295
Speaker 8: And the idea was to preserve it and make it

1611
01:33:52,295 --> 01:33:56,455
Speaker 8: look nice and white pick of fence. And then before

1612
01:33:56,495 --> 01:33:59,615
Speaker 8: the days of you know, paint being readily available, there

1613
01:33:59,655 --> 01:34:01,735
Speaker 8: was a way to do it anyhow, I don't read,

1614
01:34:01,855 --> 01:34:06,935
Speaker 8: but they put then he said, they they went off

1615
01:34:06,975 --> 01:34:09,615
Speaker 8: and they painted the whole house for this whitewash, right,

1616
01:34:09,775 --> 01:34:11,455
Speaker 8: And then they went off and they left it. There

1617
01:34:11,535 --> 01:34:14,295
Speaker 8: must have been summertime. Then they came back about a

1618
01:34:14,295 --> 01:34:17,495
Speaker 8: week or more later, and then they dusted it off.

1619
01:34:17,615 --> 01:34:23,095
Speaker 8: We've all gone, you know, just the light line sitting

1620
01:34:23,135 --> 01:34:25,895
Speaker 8: on the top of it, and they dusted it with

1621
01:34:26,015 --> 01:34:29,055
Speaker 8: dust brushes all off, and then they painted it. And

1622
01:34:29,095 --> 01:34:31,935
Speaker 8: he said he drove past that place thirty years later

1623
01:34:33,375 --> 01:34:35,975
Speaker 8: and it was perfect today. It was they for this

1624
01:34:36,135 --> 01:34:40,215
Speaker 8: a off and they had so I think it might

1625
01:34:40,215 --> 01:34:43,135
Speaker 8: have been something might have got lost in the hand

1626
01:34:43,215 --> 01:34:43,575
Speaker 8: me down.

1627
01:34:44,615 --> 01:34:47,175
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure that sending the apprentice out with

1628
01:34:47,935 --> 01:34:50,935
Speaker 6: lumps of lime and a bucket of curro scenes.

1629
01:34:51,575 --> 01:34:58,135
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, Well the Woods continued to give trouble over

1630
01:34:58,175 --> 01:35:03,375
Speaker 8: the years, but on the sunny side, blessing them pulling off. Yes, yes,

1631
01:35:03,575 --> 01:35:06,495
Speaker 8: And and when he told me that story, I I

1632
01:35:07,135 --> 01:35:09,295
Speaker 8: thought that. Then when I thought about I thought of

1633
01:35:09,335 --> 01:35:12,735
Speaker 8: a Hackleberry friend going out there and whitewashing the defense

1634
01:35:12,815 --> 01:35:14,095
Speaker 8: all the time. You remember the books.

1635
01:35:14,215 --> 01:35:16,615
Speaker 6: I wonder where you can actually get lumps of lime,

1636
01:35:17,055 --> 01:35:19,215
Speaker 6: because part of me is thinking I might have a

1637
01:35:19,215 --> 01:35:24,175
Speaker 6: wee experiment with this if I got garden limeman kerosene

1638
01:35:24,215 --> 01:35:26,735
Speaker 6: and mix something up as long as it didn't explode

1639
01:35:26,735 --> 01:35:27,375
Speaker 6: in a shed.

1640
01:35:29,055 --> 01:35:33,255
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know about garden, but yeahs of red

1641
01:35:33,295 --> 01:35:36,575
Speaker 8: Veil Line Line quarry has gone now that that's a

1642
01:35:36,655 --> 01:35:39,855
Speaker 8: that's a rubbish stump. And there was there used to

1643
01:35:39,935 --> 01:35:46,415
Speaker 8: be Bayer's Red Veil. Actually at Red Veil, I think

1644
01:35:46,415 --> 01:35:48,855
Speaker 8: their quarry might be closed now. They owned the busses

1645
01:35:49,895 --> 01:35:53,655
Speaker 8: out that way now, And but there must be somewhere

1646
01:35:53,655 --> 01:35:54,695
Speaker 8: around that.

1647
01:35:55,055 --> 01:35:57,255
Speaker 6: You might have set me off. It's not like I

1648
01:35:57,295 --> 01:36:00,375
Speaker 6: need another distraction in my life. But I'm very, very

1649
01:36:00,495 --> 01:36:04,255
Speaker 6: tempted to do a little bit of sort of bush

1650
01:36:04,295 --> 01:36:07,735
Speaker 6: experimentation on that. That's that's fantastic, Hey Phil, I've got

1651
01:36:07,735 --> 01:36:09,975
Speaker 6: to run, But thank you very much for that story.

1652
01:36:10,255 --> 01:36:11,975
Speaker 6: I have to say that every now and then because

1653
01:36:11,975 --> 01:36:13,815
Speaker 6: I for a long time I spent a lot of

1654
01:36:13,895 --> 01:36:16,935
Speaker 6: time working on old houses, and I often thought it

1655
01:36:16,975 --> 01:36:23,575
Speaker 6: would be fascinating to replicate building one today. So hand

1656
01:36:23,575 --> 01:36:29,375
Speaker 6: tools only excuse me, potentially materials delivered to site, not

1657
01:36:29,495 --> 01:36:34,255
Speaker 6: on a not on a diesel or petrol truck, and

1658
01:36:34,295 --> 01:36:38,815
Speaker 6: then how long it would take to hand cut everything,

1659
01:36:39,095 --> 01:36:46,535
Speaker 6: hand nail everything. It could be a very slow television show,

1660
01:36:47,255 --> 01:36:50,575
Speaker 6: I'm thinking. But I don't know. Someone's got to have

1661
01:36:50,575 --> 01:36:53,375
Speaker 6: done it somewhere anyway. That's another thought for me. Right

1662
01:36:53,415 --> 01:36:56,615
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1663
01:36:56,775 --> 01:36:58,215
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1664
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1685
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Speaker 6: in terms of still So when we bought our house,

1686
01:38:20,295 --> 01:38:23,015
Speaker 6: I went out as a young fellaw and bought myself

1687
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1688
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Speaker 6: It's still the same one that I'm using today, So

1689
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Speaker 6: it's almost thirty years old. Works fine, but I had

1690
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1692
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1693
01:38:45,615 --> 01:38:47,775
Speaker 6: keeps breaking off. And I was just I tried all

1694
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1695
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1696
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Speaker 6: it's old. It's thirty years old, right, And I was

1698
01:38:58,215 --> 01:39:01,135
Speaker 6: wondering whether is it getting a little bit worn and

1699
01:39:01,215 --> 01:39:03,455
Speaker 6: sharp and that's why I'm breaking off the line anyway,

1700
01:39:03,695 --> 01:39:06,215
Speaker 6: When along to Still said, look, I've got this ancient

1701
01:39:06,495 --> 01:39:10,175
Speaker 6: thirty year old line trimmer of yours. Can you get

1702
01:39:10,175 --> 01:39:12,175
Speaker 6: me a new head for it? They went, yeah, leave

1703
01:39:12,175 --> 01:39:15,015
Speaker 6: it with us anyway. Replacement part arrived the other day,

1704
01:39:15,055 --> 01:39:17,015
Speaker 6: Thank you very much to the team. It normally i'll

1705
01:39:17,015 --> 01:39:20,535
Speaker 6: pop up to Albany, but there's a new one in Glenfield.

1706
01:39:20,655 --> 01:39:23,975
Speaker 6: Shot in there. The guy's got a new one for me.

1707
01:39:24,135 --> 01:39:29,295
Speaker 6: Put that on wonderful. So there you go. Thirty year

1708
01:39:29,335 --> 01:39:31,455
Speaker 6: old tram are still working well. Oh eight hundred and

1709
01:39:31,455 --> 01:39:33,855
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty. If you've got a question for Rudd.

1710
01:39:34,735 --> 01:39:36,735
Speaker 6: That'd be great because we're going to jump into the garden.

1711
01:39:37,015 --> 01:39:40,415
Speaker 6: I've got some fantastic the chat that we had with

1712
01:39:40,495 --> 01:39:45,295
Speaker 6: Phil about native timbers and coating them in particular, Mattie

1713
01:39:45,375 --> 01:39:47,935
Speaker 6: seems to be really hard to get a paint surface on.

1714
01:39:48,415 --> 01:39:51,215
Speaker 6: And he was talking about having a chat when he

1715
01:39:51,375 --> 01:39:53,855
Speaker 6: started his apprenticeship, which might have been if he's seventy

1716
01:39:53,895 --> 01:39:57,575
Speaker 6: eight now, better part of sixty years ago, with a

1717
01:39:57,695 --> 01:40:01,255
Speaker 6: guy who was in his eighties then, who was probably

1718
01:40:01,255 --> 01:40:03,495
Speaker 6: working on villas at the turn of the last century,

1719
01:40:03,735 --> 01:40:06,175
Speaker 6: and he described the situation where they get some lime

1720
01:40:06,375 --> 01:40:09,935
Speaker 6: and some kerosene that'd mix up essentially whitewash, apply that

1721
01:40:10,015 --> 01:40:12,295
Speaker 6: and then put their paint coating over the top. Anyway,

1722
01:40:12,295 --> 01:40:15,015
Speaker 6: a whole bunch of people have text through as well. Pete.

1723
01:40:15,135 --> 01:40:20,135
Speaker 6: I make a whitewash slurry with powdered hydrolyzed lime and

1724
01:40:20,295 --> 01:40:23,055
Speaker 6: salt and then painted on the old concrete water tank.

1725
01:40:23,295 --> 01:40:29,255
Speaker 6: Apparently there is still a lime quarry at Tiquity and Pete.

1726
01:40:29,295 --> 01:40:31,935
Speaker 6: All the old cottages on the coast of Ireland were

1727
01:40:31,975 --> 01:40:36,215
Speaker 6: lime washed for the harsh Atlantic winter weather. That would

1728
01:40:36,215 --> 01:40:39,135
Speaker 6: be over masonry, wouldn't it be over. You know. They

1729
01:40:39,215 --> 01:40:43,255
Speaker 6: were basically assembled out of rocks out of the fields,

1730
01:40:43,455 --> 01:40:45,415
Speaker 6: you know, as the farmer plowed and they had a

1731
01:40:45,495 --> 01:40:47,975
Speaker 6: rock and they put that aside. Then go, there's my

1732
01:40:48,055 --> 01:40:53,535
Speaker 6: extension all there. Fantastic right loving that. Oh, eight hundred

1733
01:40:53,535 --> 01:40:55,535
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty. If you would like to talk

1734
01:40:55,575 --> 01:40:58,015
Speaker 6: to Rude, that'd be great. Oh and before we jump

1735
01:40:58,055 --> 01:41:00,535
Speaker 6: into the garden. One of the things I got to

1736
01:41:00,855 --> 01:41:04,615
Speaker 6: this week was they call a midbuild open home, so

1737
01:41:06,175 --> 01:41:08,775
Speaker 6: was invited. Lots of people were to go up to

1738
01:41:08,815 --> 01:41:12,335
Speaker 6: a house that's being built just north of Auckland aiming

1739
01:41:12,375 --> 01:41:15,535
Speaker 6: for high performance, so they're going for home star rating

1740
01:41:15,535 --> 01:41:19,175
Speaker 6: that probably get to a passive rating. The walls actually

1741
01:41:19,175 --> 01:41:22,415
Speaker 6: the floor, walls and ceiling were all constructed using formants

1742
01:41:22,455 --> 01:41:27,975
Speaker 6: SIPs panels, so SIPs panels there. Joinery was all high

1743
01:41:28,055 --> 01:41:32,815
Speaker 6: performance UPDC from Starks. The ambience range from Stark and

1744
01:41:33,295 --> 01:41:34,895
Speaker 6: just before we arrived, I got up there a little

1745
01:41:34,895 --> 01:41:36,535
Speaker 6: bit early to have a chat with the owners and

1746
01:41:36,575 --> 01:41:40,895
Speaker 6: the builder and the architect Joe, and they were undertaking

1747
01:41:40,895 --> 01:41:43,895
Speaker 6: a blower door test, which is essentially the house is

1748
01:41:43,975 --> 01:41:48,415
Speaker 6: closed up, you seal any obvious penetrations and then you

1749
01:41:48,535 --> 01:41:52,215
Speaker 6: pressurize the house and you can measure how much airflow

1750
01:41:52,335 --> 01:41:55,335
Speaker 6: there is, whether it's leaking or gaining air and so

1751
01:41:55,335 --> 01:41:57,855
Speaker 6: on and so forth, and ideally you want to try

1752
01:41:57,895 --> 01:42:01,055
Speaker 6: and get that number down to about point four point

1753
01:42:01,175 --> 01:42:04,375
Speaker 6: six something like that air exchanges per hour in order

1754
01:42:04,415 --> 01:42:06,735
Speaker 6: to classify as high performance. They got down to about

1755
01:42:07,135 --> 01:42:10,095
Speaker 6: zero point one four I think was one of their reasons,

1756
01:42:10,135 --> 01:42:14,735
Speaker 6: which is amazing. But it also and watching the house

1757
01:42:14,775 --> 01:42:18,375
Speaker 6: get pressurized and watching the blower door test and action

1758
01:42:18,615 --> 01:42:21,695
Speaker 6: was really quite fascinating. But it did highlight for me

1759
01:42:21,775 --> 01:42:25,255
Speaker 6: the importance of good quality joinery and it was really

1760
01:42:25,255 --> 01:42:28,415
Speaker 6: amazing to see. And they had some sliders in that

1761
01:42:28,495 --> 01:42:30,895
Speaker 6: house as well, which can often be a bit challenging

1762
01:42:30,935 --> 01:42:33,895
Speaker 6: to get a good air seal. So even with the sliders,

1763
01:42:34,015 --> 01:42:38,375
Speaker 6: because they're using the the ambience range from Stark, they're

1764
01:42:38,375 --> 01:42:40,975
Speaker 6: getting really good performance. It was just a fascinating little

1765
01:42:40,975 --> 01:42:43,815
Speaker 6: insight into that day. It's good day. Actually, it was

1766
01:42:43,815 --> 01:42:46,215
Speaker 6: cool to see it. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1767
01:42:46,295 --> 01:42:49,855
Speaker 6: Let's jump into the garden. Climb past is standing by

1768
01:42:49,935 --> 01:42:52,775
Speaker 6: an eager as a beaver to get into the garden.

1769
01:42:52,935 --> 01:42:54,575
Speaker 6: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1770
01:42:54,655 --> 01:42:58,695
Speaker 1: The number to call where DIY gets unstuck.

1771
01:42:59,535 --> 01:43:01,815
Speaker 6: Call OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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01:43:01,735 --> 01:43:05,935
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