1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: Now, the Housing Minister has written to the Mayor of 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Auckland wanting to know which suburbs are going to be 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: see the most housing intensification. Chris Bishop produced Auckland's intensification 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: requirements in February, but it's unclear where exactly in the 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 1: city possible future development will have to be scaled back. 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: Mayor Wayne Brown's is preparing a map for the Minister 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: will be too expensive, so he's not going to do it. 8 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: And he's with us in studio, Wayne Hallo, why not 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: just do a map. 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: I'm the mayor of Auckland, okay, and we will decide 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: what Auckland does. Okay. Has been enough influence from down there. Personally, 12 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: I get on well with Bishop. That's not the problem 13 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: with the Bishop. Wayne. 14 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: You've got to stop playing with the microphone. I can't 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: even hear you. 16 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: Okay Again, you're the mayor of Auckland, okay, and we 17 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: want to decide what Auckland's like. That's what one hundred 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: and eighty thousand people vaded for me to do. Yeah, 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: and the Bishop's idea of intensification I agree with. We're 20 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 2: quite clear. We don't have a problem with each other. 21 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: He's having a problem with his nest vipus that he's 22 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: in Wellington. 23 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: With, Well, why not just do the maps and show 24 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: the ministers, show the MPs for Auckland. Even Auckland is 25 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: where the intensifications going. 26 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: First of all, right, at the moment the government are 27 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: saying darft things like we need a rates cap. You're 28 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: don't have to spend any money and a lot's supposed 29 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: to do. And so we're already doing what the law says, 30 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: which is get ready for two million house sites, which 31 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: isn't two million houses, it's too million potential house sites. 32 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: And we're going to intensify where it makes sense, where 33 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: we've got infrastructure and where we've got trains and buses 34 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: going through certain areas. Those are the sensible places and 35 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: that's where it will take place once we got going 36 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: on that there. That is what we are spending money. 37 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: And this costs a lot of money. We've got fifty 38 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: five people full time reading ten thousand submissions from the 39 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: public about the two million thing and the intensification. 40 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: And you've spent about is it thirteen million dollars. 41 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: Another three million since the Christmas doing those things, and 42 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: it's a very expensive millions go up straight away what 43 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 2: they suggested. And then then some of them are more 44 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: nervous act in New Zealand and National Party MPs of thinking, 45 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: oh my god, they're going to have multi story buildings 46 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: in our suburb. We're all those leafy green people, And 47 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 2: well that's what happens. This is the world's biggest suburb. 48 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 2: It's going to become a city. I live in a 49 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: multi story building. Lots of people do, and so it's 50 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: going to be in those sensible places. But the number 51 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: of two million came because we'd already had a medium 52 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: Density Residence thing MDRS that gave every house sight in 53 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: Auckland could get three three story buildings, whether you like 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: it or not. Stupid, So have you multiplied it? You 55 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: get two million, Why don't you just do the maps 56 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: because it's not that easy. It costs a lot of money. 57 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: And so this is just we've it's been thirteen million 58 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 2: and we haven't even got anywhere. 59 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: Ye But okay, so that they do, and fair enough 60 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: that you don't want to even that they do the 61 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: law change. How hard is it to pump out a map? 62 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: Well, it's not a button. If you press a button 63 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: in the council you're lucky to get a lift. That 64 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: is just some idiotcy that from some person who's living 65 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: on some other planet. 66 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: Your deputy messes you can just upscale. 67 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 2: Just upside is completely wrong on that. And she's worried 68 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: about the people in her suburb. A lot of the 69 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: people in her suburity actually want to build big, long apartments. 70 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: So you's gonna be careful there, because not everybody is 71 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: against us at all. A lot of people want things 72 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: this and so it's very expensive to do this, and 73 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: we would be expending all that money on the off 74 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: chance the twenty cabinet ministers, of whom ten don't even 75 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: live in Auckland would decide it's okay, well we're not 76 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: going to do that. We might do the first part 77 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: of his letter, which sees that this is the way 78 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: we would We'll be looking at the most popular bus 79 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: routes and the less popular bus routs, the most popular 80 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: trainers that the probably but we're not going to do 81 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: the work because it's going to cost a lot of money. 82 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: On the off chance that they may say yes, and 83 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: this is a ground that thinks they're going to put 84 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: a rates cap on me, forcing the lost mate that's 85 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 2: not coming. Just stop it right now, and we're not 86 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: forcing them. 87 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: To do wayne is to pass the law blind, aren't you. 88 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: They have no idea where the intensification in the city 89 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: will happen. So they passed the law and then they 90 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: might it might create. 91 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: It might happen to be where you live, mister Seymour, 92 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: and in fact I'll make sure it is. 93 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: So are you trying to screw mister Seymour? 94 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: No, No, he's trying to screw me and there's no 95 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: way that's going to happen. 96 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: But are you trying Is there something that you're trying 97 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: to do? Are you trying to screw the scrum for 98 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: them to make quite happy? 99 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of the council actually want 100 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: the maximum. This is to save the National Party thing. 101 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: Are you trying to screw the National Party? 102 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: No, I'm independent and I remember of any of them. 103 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: What I'm trying to do is not waste money. That 104 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: was a reason people voted for me. Don't do stuff 105 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: that may not be even value. So we could spend 106 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: millions of dollars and twenty people in Wellington ten of 107 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: food and don't even live here would say, oh, we 108 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: don't like that. That's got my true. 109 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: So when do we get the maps? Because surely, as 110 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: Auckland rate payers, we at least deserve to know what's 111 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: going to happen with the intensification. 112 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 2: You're going to have intensification in places where there is 113 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: all of the infrastructure and you are near a railway 114 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: station and a bus station, right, Okay, that's where it's 115 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: going to be. So if you're living in how don't 116 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: worry because I mean, we are the people who are 117 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: invested in these things. Are they not just stupid. 118 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: As you're saying it is. We can get doctor Chris Knox, 119 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: who works for the Herald and Wellington to pump out 120 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: one of these maps for us. So why can't you 121 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: people do it? 122 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 2: Well, I don't believe that's true anyhow, I know, doctor. 123 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: Shall we see the first but which is one of 124 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: our data guys pumps out the bat fist. You've got 125 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: to tell Auckland is like we have to be able 126 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: to look at a map. 127 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: It's this is do you know nothing about the reserve? 128 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: About you? How to get a resource consent? It goes 129 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: to independent commissioners. We've got we've all signed them up. 130 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: They're booked for the next eighteen months. They're going to 131 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: cost millions of dollars. They will go through this and 132 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: come up. There are ten thousand submissions in there now 133 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: and we've spent We've got fifty five people who've only 134 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: got through a third of them already. Now if we 135 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: change the rules now we have to go back to 136 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: those people, plus anybody else who thinks they've got another 137 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: something to say. So it is just completely ridiculous waste 138 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: of money. On the off chance that a group of 139 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: twenty people in Wellington, ten of whom don't live here, 140 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 2: none of whom have ever had a resource consent in 141 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 2: their life, well they will have the right to say 142 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 2: yes or no get lost and Aucklanders will find out 143 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: where these are eventually. And those people who've gotten interest 144 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: have put their their ten thousand written in great long 145 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: spiels and about this. It's very expensive. I don't waste money. 146 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: And those people weren't elected to make a decision about 147 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: Uckland and so, and they're all worried about being elected 148 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: later this year. Whether I don't care whether they're elected 149 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: later this year or not. Yeah, well I will my 150 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: and my counsel, we'll listen to orchanders. We will come 151 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: out with a sensible, rational system based on evidence. We've 152 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: got more of these things to come out this year 153 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: year only on the on the PC WAD and twenty 154 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: later this year we get control of Aalkland Transport. The 155 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: first thing we're going to do is a thirty year 156 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: transport plan, Oh lord, Wayne. And that is going to 157 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: be based on common sense and it's not going to 158 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: be based on roads of National Party significance, which are 159 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: there to get re elected. It'll be on the most 160 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: people get around the. 161 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 1: Don't tell me you're being fair on the National Party. 162 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: I look forward. I look forward Wayne, just a party. 163 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: I'm not against them any more than the others discussion. 164 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: They're all awful. Okay, we're going. 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