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Speaker 1: We've got a five year suicide prevention plan from the

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Speaker 1: Mental Health Minister yesterday to tackle our stubbornly high suicide rates,

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Speaker 1: six crisis cafes and new suicide prevention community funded coming

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Speaker 1: by the end of the year. Doctor Helen Buckland is

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Speaker 1: a clinical psychologist with me this morning. Good morning, Hi Ryan,

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Speaker 1: Hi you good good, thank you. But I'm quite cynical

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Speaker 1: and I can't help but feel like I've heard this

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Speaker 1: all before and crisis cafes. Are we kidding?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: Is this actually going to make a difference.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm a cynic as well. I think there has

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Speaker 2: been you know, there's been a lot of thought and

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Speaker 2: I can see that there's a will to try and

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Speaker 2: improve with this plan. But in reality, it is not

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Speaker 2: a suicide prevention plan. It is a suicide response plan.

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Speaker 2: It's for people who are already suicidal, and there's no

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Speaker 2: reference to tackling the causes that lead people to becoming

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Speaker 2: suicidal in the first place, and I think that that's

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Speaker 2: where the focus of a prevention plan should be.

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Speaker 1: So this is the part where you talk about poverty

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Speaker 1: and you talk about cost of living and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, But also I think that we also need

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Speaker 2: to have a look at things like bullying in schools,

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Speaker 2: effective child protection services, and also so the impact of

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Speaker 2: social media on children. So I think that Minnesota, he

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Speaker 2: needs to go back to the drawing board and come

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Speaker 2: up with something a bit better than that's personally well.

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Speaker 1: They are looking at banning social media for kids. That's

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Speaker 1: got one thing, I suppose. But what about with poverty,

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Speaker 1: because this is always something that people and psychologists and

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Speaker 1: people in the field say, poverty is the problem, right,

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Speaker 1: what is it? Why do so many more men than

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Speaker 1: women in their life? If it's poverty.

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Speaker 2: I think some of the reasons around that are because

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Speaker 2: of the expectation that men are providers for their families,

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Speaker 2: and so some of these traditional gender roles that you

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Speaker 2: have around what men are meant to do and be

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Speaker 2: and in the face of actually being really difficult to

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Speaker 2: find jobs that are going to be covering the cost

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Speaker 2: of living and there are enough to take care of

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Speaker 2: your family, that is just devastating if one of your

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Speaker 2: primary ways of thinking about yourself is taking care of

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Speaker 2: your family. So we know that that's one of the issues.

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Speaker 2: And I think the other thing, especially for young men

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Speaker 2: who are leaving school and if school wasn't their favorite place,

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Speaker 2: and they're a little bit more hands on and want

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Speaker 2: to do practical things. What are their job prospects when

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Speaker 2: they leave? What kind of money are they going to

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Speaker 2: be earning when they leave so that they can go ahead,

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Speaker 2: leave school, get out into the world and have jobs

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Speaker 2: that are actually going to give them enough so that

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Speaker 2: they can feel confident about moving forward in their lives

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Speaker 2: with enough money in their back pocket to have a

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Speaker 2: night out with their friends and look of buying home

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Speaker 2: and having a family.

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Speaker 1: So, Helen, I had a look at the numbers this

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Speaker 1: morning from OECD. There are plenty of countries out there

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Speaker 1: with high poverty rates, higher poverty rates than us, but

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Speaker 1: lowest suicide rates. How do we explain that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the things that it comes

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Speaker 2: back to is about what children experience. In New Zealand

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Speaker 2: in terms of abuse, we have some of the worst

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Speaker 2: rates for family harm and exposure for children to abuse

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Speaker 2: in the home, and so I do think that we

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Speaker 2: need to go back to when people are young and

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Speaker 2: address those issues and alongside issues like poverty as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, really appreciate your time this morning, Helen. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for that. Doctor Helen Interesting, Doctor Helen Buckland,

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Speaker 1: clinical psychologist, on the government's plan for more.

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Speaker 2: From earlier edition with Ryan Bridge.

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