1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: The huddle with us this evening we have Phil GoF 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: former Labor Party minister and Auklamara and of course Marris 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: Williams and Auckland councilor former National minister. Hello you too, Yeah, 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 2: good ahead, Phil. What do you reckon is going on here? 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: Is it? Like Matthew suggested that there are some low 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: level talks that Trump is just pinning a lot of 9 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: hope on. 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 3: Yeah. 11 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 4: Frankly, we've learned from experience not to believe much of 12 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 4: what Donald Trump has said, you know, time and the game. 13 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 4: He's been proven absolutely wrong there. May I can't discount 14 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 4: that there may be low level talks, but clearly the 15 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 4: Iranian the people in control there aren't aren't part of 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 4: it at as a leadership group and aren't inclined to 17 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 4: compromise in any way. I mean, what Matthew was saying 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 4: was really interesting. This is this is a war with 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 4: no plan, no understanding of history. It's a war that's 20 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 4: got big costs and we're yet to see any any benefits, 21 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 4: only the costs. 22 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, does it sound to you, Morris, like he is 23 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: trying to get out of this. He's looking for a 24 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: way to get out of it. 25 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, but surely there's just one simple question the media 26 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: could just put straight to him, who are you talking to? 27 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 3: Because he keeps saying we're having talks and as you say, 28 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 3: it could be the guy that runs the burger bar 29 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: downtown Tehran? Who are you talking to? But he won't say. Well, 30 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: if he won't say my viewers, that means he's not 31 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: actually talking to anybody of any significance. 32 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: So what happens after five days? They're Morris, does he 33 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: just strike or does he not stp? 34 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: Well, heel's extend the deadline. If you follow Trump every 35 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 3: announcement he has ever made. Changes Again, there's a fifty 36 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 3: five percent tariff next week. No, it's now twelve, Now 37 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: seventy five, No, it's ten. You've just got to keep up. 38 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: I mean the markets that have never had so much exercise, 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: they're doing U turns as their big exos. So I 40 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: mean that the five days will come. Remember, if we 41 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: don't have it by Tuesday, we've got twenty forty eight hours. Okay, 42 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: we've had some chats with somebody who don't know it's 43 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: just insanity, in. 44 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: Which case Field, we could probably mark this as the 45 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: start of the wind down, can't we. 46 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 4: Well, he would like to get out of it a 47 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: bit like Bush did in Iraq and say mission accomplished, 48 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 4: but nobody'd believe him. You know, everybody can see that 49 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 4: because of asymmetrical warfare. You know, a small country, a 50 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 4: smaller country like a racket. It's not small. It's ninety 51 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 4: million people can hold off the world's greatest power, even 52 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 4: though you know it's been blasted to bits. But it's 53 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 4: hard to see anything positive coming. He's so bloody, volatile 54 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: and unstable. He could vomit or he could not. But 55 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 4: you won't know until it actually happened. He probably won't 56 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 4: know until the day that it happens. 57 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: But if you've ever heard of a breach of diplomacy, 58 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 3: sitting in front of the Japanese Prime minister and say, ah, 59 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: you have the bit keeping secrets and then he says, 60 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: you never told me about Pearl Harbor, well she could 61 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: have basically said yeah, because you weren't even born when 62 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 3: Pearl Harbor. 63 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 4: Just a small detail. 64 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: We could have gone up to the maternity hospital four 65 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 3: years later, and said, where's that little baby? Trump will 66 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 3: tell him? I mean, you never told He didn't even 67 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: say you didn't tell us. He said, you didn't tell me. 68 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 4: But the bizarre thing is he didn't tell anybody about 69 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 4: his war, but then suddenly he expects everybody to come 70 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 4: to his aid when he when he when he hits 71 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 4: the roadblock. 72 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: Phil can he though? I mean without regime change, nothing 73 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: has been accomplished, right, because unless you have regime change, 74 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: it just goes back to the way it. 75 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 4: Was, well worse actually, because you know, the guy whose father, 76 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 4: wife and kids were killed in it, who's now the 77 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 4: Supreme Leader, isn't going to be more flexible, more tolerant, 78 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 4: more looking for a compromise than his father was. I mean, 79 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: if anything, the new regime will be worse, more embittered, 80 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: more likely to launch terrorist strikes, you know, around the world. 81 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 4: So it's gone backwards on it. 82 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 3: Is he the Supreme leader? Is he the Supreme leader? 83 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: Because they once seen them? 84 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 4: And no, we don't know what he's sustained. But no, no, 85 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 4: we all presume they didn't elect the dead man. But 86 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: you know everything we know about the Sun. I mean 87 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: he's a bit like Trump actually, he's probably been making 88 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 4: money out of his father's corrupt regime, just as the 89 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 4: Trump kids are making money out of Trumps. It's a 90 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 4: ship world we're living in at to moment if you 91 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 4: look at it. 92 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: Hey, But on the other hand, we can always look 93 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: at the fact that we live in New Zealand. Therefore 94 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: we're lucky. 95 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only 96 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: truly global brand. 97 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the Huddle Morris Williamson, Phil Goff 98 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 2: now Morrison. Morris has been a fair bit of complaining 99 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,559 Speaker 2: today from people who miss out on the government's fuel 100 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: cost assistance pension as beneficiaries, people who use diesel and 101 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: so on. Do you like it? 102 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: Yes? 103 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 4: I do. 104 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: I like the idea that we're specifically targeting people that 105 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: are in work and they've got children. They are the 106 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 3: ones who will really forgot they If you're a beneficiary 107 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: and not really going to work, are you, that's by 108 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: definitely you're not at work. I really like it because 109 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: the idea of throwing around like what was it a 110 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 3: drunken sailor running up debt, having that headache for the 111 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: next five years to have to try and deal with. 112 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 3: I think it's been well targeted, well focused on us 113 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: for a specific time, and we're just going to keep 114 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 3: watching whether the petrol pumps dropped below three dollars what 115 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: is it? 116 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: Was it four weeks? 117 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: Four weeks? 118 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: Promstently? 119 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, Phil, what are you think consistent? 120 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, it's good for the one hundred and forty 121 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 4: thousand that get it. The fifty dollars will just about 122 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 4: cover the increase in petrol costs, depending on the circumstances 123 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 4: of each family. But you know, against one hundred and 124 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 4: forty thousand families that get it, there's nine hundred and 125 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 4: forty thousand people on National super Now they're not going 126 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 4: to work here, that's fair enough, but they are facing 127 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 4: all the other costs, such as the increase in food costs, 128 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 4: you know, four point five I think in the end 129 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 4: of February, So they won't feel too happy at it, 130 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 4: nor the four hundred thousand people that are on benefits. 131 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 4: You know, if you're a soul parent with a child, 132 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 4: you're getting thirty thousand a year, you know, it's going 133 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 4: to be pretty tough for you having to meet the 134 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 4: extra costs that you're facing, not only from fuel, but 135 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 4: the rise and inflation generally, so you can imagine that 136 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 4: while one hundred and forty thousand will think that that 137 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 4: might just cover the petrol, there's a whole lot of 138 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 4: other people out there that won't feel quite as happy 139 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,679 Speaker 4: about it. Now. Nicola Willis is in a rock between 140 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 4: a rock and a hard place. She's just had New 141 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 4: Zealand downgraded by Fitch to a negative watch because the 142 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 4: economy is going badly. She doesn't have money to splash 143 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 4: on it. She had to target it. But it won't 144 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 4: make people happy that are in probably greater need than 145 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 4: some of those that get it that won't be getting 146 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 4: anything at all, treading the need of. 147 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: A way, I think slightly differently to I think differently 148 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: that because both super annual I am a super inwit 149 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: and on benefits will all get quite a big increase 150 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: up on the thirty first of March. They are all 151 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 3: I think you know cpi'd or in fact they're actually 152 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: wage based in terms of superannuation lift. So there will 153 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: be a lift for super innuitants and there will be 154 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: a lift for beneficiaries coming almost at the same time 155 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: as this will happen. But I just think you've got 156 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: to really really target it at the people that it matters, 157 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: and I believe it's those that are in work, having 158 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: to get up every day and go to work and 159 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: have got kids to look after, and that I think 160 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: they get, you know, quite generous wage allowances. If they've 161 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 3: got to say three kids, I think it goes up 162 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: to about one hundred and twenty or thirty thousand dollars 163 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: they can earn. So I think it's really well targeted. 164 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: I like it feel Did you whistle a bit when 165 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: you heard Brooke van Velden say she was the youngest 166 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: cabinet minister in history. 167 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. I had that discussion with her when she came 168 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: through London and we both agree that I pipped it 169 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 4: to the post. I just on you today, did see 170 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 4: I Look, that's not a big deal to me. I 171 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 4: just turned thirty one when I became a cabinet minister. 172 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 4: Looking back on it was pretty young. But you know, 173 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: when you're thirty one, you think you know a whole 174 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 4: lot more than somebody that's fifty one. So you know 175 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 4: what I liked. What I lacked the knowledge and experience 176 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 4: I made up with confidence and energy. But yeah, yeah, no. 177 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: That's well for the record, you beat her by eight days. 178 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: The problem is Winston took too long. Now, Morris, I've 179 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: been dying to talk to you about this, okay, So 180 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: I raised this yesterday on the show. Ken Turner. Ken 181 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: Turner from Auckland Council has used AI and it's only 182 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: cost five thousand dollars to crunch the feedback the consultation 183 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: on the PC twenty one twenty, the density stuff. Is 184 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: he onto something? He is? Has he proved something? 185 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 4: Yeah? 186 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: Look, I think good recruit it to him. And I 187 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 3: think using modern techniques and tools is fantastic because there 188 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: are ten and a half thousand very detailed submission that's 189 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: a very big number. Council tell us that we're only 190 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: what did they say, They're thirty three percent through processing 191 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 3: them and it's already cost US four millialy. 192 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: Five people doing it. But is he getting enough? Like, 193 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: is he getting enough insight out of the data just 194 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: using the AI? 195 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? Look the way the way AI has worked, it's 196 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 3: broken down all submissions into various categories. Given your headline 197 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 3: stuff like sixty four percent of people oppose what PC 198 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 3: one twenty is proposing. Yeah, twenty eight percent say you 199 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 3: should amend it and five point eight percent only six 200 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 3: hundred and fourteen support it. But then it goes into 201 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: various themes about supporting character and amenity stuff or density 202 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: too high, or infrastructure capacity not enough. So it's actually 203 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: a phenomenal tool. I think it's something that in the 204 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: future we'll have to use a lot more role because 205 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: when you get ten and a half thousand and we 206 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: could do. 207 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: It, Morris, we don't need it in the future. We 208 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: could do it right now. If he's getting some value 209 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: at at five thousand dollars versus what's going to be 210 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: thirteen million, I'll take that any day. Lads, it's great 211 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: to talk to you. Thank you. We've settled at ken 212 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: Turners onto something we can fire the public servants now, 213 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: like at least a third of them. We've got the 214 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: AI Morris Williams and Phil Goffer huddles seven Away from six. 215 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 216 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: News Talks it B from four pm weekdays, or follow 217 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.