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It's Rugby 5 00:00:32,853 --> 00:00:36,453 Speaker 1: Direct with Elliot Smith and Liam Napier, powered by News 6 00:00:36,533 --> 00:00:37,053 Speaker 1: Talks EDB. 7 00:00:37,373 --> 00:00:40,533 Speaker 3: Welcome into Rugby Direct, pad By Excess Solutions, taking you 8 00:00:40,693 --> 00:00:43,133 Speaker 3: Angel business to a higher level. 9 00:00:43,573 --> 00:00:45,733 Speaker 2: Alligant Smith with me Liam Napier. 10 00:00:46,053 --> 00:00:49,533 Speaker 3: We reconvene once again in the Rugby Direct studio with 11 00:00:49,693 --> 00:00:53,213 Speaker 3: the All Blacks retaining the bleaters Low for a twenty 12 00:00:54,013 --> 00:00:57,653 Speaker 3: third straight summer on the back of a thirty three 13 00:00:57,773 --> 00:01:00,253 Speaker 3: twenty four win over the Wilby's at Eden Parker will 14 00:01:00,253 --> 00:01:02,093 Speaker 3: get into that very shortly as well. We'll also wrap 15 00:01:02,173 --> 00:01:05,813 Speaker 3: up the Black Ferns World Cup campaign, but let's get 16 00:01:05,853 --> 00:01:09,533 Speaker 3: into bleeders Low first and foremost. Ligam your initial top 17 00:01:09,613 --> 00:01:14,013 Speaker 3: line reactions to the All Blacks shaking off the Wallabies. 18 00:01:13,613 --> 00:01:14,493 Speaker 2: At Eden park. 19 00:01:15,893 --> 00:01:18,693 Speaker 4: I think we largely got what we expected Elliott, the 20 00:01:19,173 --> 00:01:25,093 Speaker 4: bounce back, the response, but still questions lingering over this 21 00:01:25,173 --> 00:01:29,413 Speaker 4: All Black team after that performance. Some inconsistencies within that game, 22 00:01:29,493 --> 00:01:32,053 Speaker 4: blowing some big leads and I think we got what 23 00:01:32,133 --> 00:01:35,253 Speaker 4: we expected from the Wallabies as well, highly competitive, they 24 00:01:35,333 --> 00:01:37,853 Speaker 4: didn't go away. They've got a depth of character and 25 00:01:37,933 --> 00:01:42,093 Speaker 4: resilience that they haven't had before. So a pressure relieving 26 00:01:42,213 --> 00:01:44,093 Speaker 4: victory for the All Blacks, wasn't it coming off the 27 00:01:44,213 --> 00:01:46,893 Speaker 4: darkest day? Perhaps a bit of a shred of light 28 00:01:47,453 --> 00:01:49,653 Speaker 4: you bank the bledder is low, so the trophy cabinet's 29 00:01:49,693 --> 00:01:55,533 Speaker 4: not entirely bere But yeah, I think more evidence is 30 00:01:55,653 --> 00:01:58,813 Speaker 4: required before there's any form of conviction that we can 31 00:01:58,893 --> 00:02:01,813 Speaker 4: definitively say that this All Black team is progressing. 32 00:02:02,173 --> 00:02:02,373 Speaker 2: Yeah. 33 00:02:02,413 --> 00:02:05,173 Speaker 3: I think the consistency is the issue, and we weren't 34 00:02:05,173 --> 00:02:07,773 Speaker 3: going to answer that question on Saturday night at Eden 35 00:02:07,813 --> 00:02:11,133 Speaker 3: Park because for consistency you need to bank wins back 36 00:02:11,213 --> 00:02:13,413 Speaker 3: to back to back and we won't really be able 37 00:02:13,453 --> 00:02:17,253 Speaker 3: to judge that, or at least leave the current turned 38 00:02:17,293 --> 00:02:19,373 Speaker 3: a corner until probably the end of the season, if 39 00:02:19,373 --> 00:02:21,533 Speaker 3: indeed that is the case. So well, I think the 40 00:02:21,573 --> 00:02:23,773 Speaker 3: All Blacks did well though was Their attacking shape looked 41 00:02:23,813 --> 00:02:27,773 Speaker 3: a lot better against the Australians. They were able to 42 00:02:27,853 --> 00:02:30,173 Speaker 3: bend the line a little bit better, but most of 43 00:02:30,613 --> 00:02:33,133 Speaker 3: that came from the man wearing the number nine jersey 44 00:02:34,053 --> 00:02:36,813 Speaker 3: cam Reyguard. Now we've just got back from the airport 45 00:02:36,853 --> 00:02:39,413 Speaker 3: and heard from Jason Ryan who described him as phenomenal. 46 00:02:39,973 --> 00:02:42,973 Speaker 3: That performance last night. It showed what a difference he 47 00:02:43,053 --> 00:02:45,573 Speaker 3: can make to this All Blacks team. And to be honest, 48 00:02:45,973 --> 00:02:48,613 Speaker 3: head and shoulders, he is around the half back role 49 00:02:48,693 --> 00:02:50,733 Speaker 3: for this All Blacks team at the moment. He sparked 50 00:02:50,773 --> 00:02:53,133 Speaker 3: everything last night, or a lot of their attack at 51 00:02:53,173 --> 00:02:57,373 Speaker 3: the very least, his snipes around the ruck, his defense 52 00:02:57,733 --> 00:02:58,933 Speaker 3: is ball carrying. 53 00:02:59,373 --> 00:03:02,133 Speaker 2: It was just a sublime performance. It wasn't even perfect. 54 00:03:02,173 --> 00:03:02,693 Speaker 2: It wasn't you know. 55 00:03:02,773 --> 00:03:05,133 Speaker 3: He was a couple of errand box kicks. There was 56 00:03:06,093 --> 00:03:08,213 Speaker 3: a knock on at one point, but by and large 57 00:03:08,333 --> 00:03:10,853 Speaker 3: and he was the beating heart of that All Blacks attack. 58 00:03:11,133 --> 00:03:15,413 Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah, And I think we've become accustomed in years 59 00:03:15,493 --> 00:03:19,333 Speaker 4: gone by. Obviously Aaron Smith was superb, but he still 60 00:03:19,373 --> 00:03:21,973 Speaker 4: played in an era largely where Dan Carter was there, 61 00:03:22,013 --> 00:03:24,413 Speaker 4: where Richie McCall was there, and even in this era, 62 00:03:24,613 --> 00:03:28,093 Speaker 4: it's more about your artist severe type characters. In terms 63 00:03:28,133 --> 00:03:31,333 Speaker 4: of so you think about inspirational figures, it's largely been 64 00:03:31,413 --> 00:03:35,773 Speaker 4: first fives and loose forwards. Well, cam Reguard has to 65 00:03:35,853 --> 00:03:38,453 Speaker 4: be the most influential player in the All Black team, 66 00:03:38,533 --> 00:03:42,013 Speaker 4: and he's played thirteen tests yea, a handful home, a 67 00:03:42,133 --> 00:03:44,933 Speaker 4: handful of starts. But as you say, his hid and 68 00:03:44,973 --> 00:03:49,213 Speaker 4: shoulders above and just his size, like he says, running game, 69 00:03:49,293 --> 00:03:55,853 Speaker 4: his support lines, his boot. He not single handedly changed 70 00:03:56,333 --> 00:03:57,973 Speaker 4: the shape of that attack, but he just made a 71 00:03:58,053 --> 00:04:01,853 Speaker 4: massive difference because he holds those inside defenders. And it's 72 00:04:01,893 --> 00:04:04,853 Speaker 4: certainly the best that we've seen that All Black attack 73 00:04:04,933 --> 00:04:07,893 Speaker 4: this year. That they did have all the ball in 74 00:04:07,973 --> 00:04:11,093 Speaker 4: that film, they scored three tries in the first twenty 75 00:04:11,133 --> 00:04:14,253 Speaker 4: four minutes. They had a lot more space and freedom, 76 00:04:14,333 --> 00:04:16,853 Speaker 4: they played with width, they largely kept the ball in hand, 77 00:04:16,893 --> 00:04:19,533 Speaker 4: a lot less kicking I think than previous weeks. 78 00:04:19,573 --> 00:04:22,253 Speaker 5: But the set piece was much better. 79 00:04:23,013 --> 00:04:26,213 Speaker 4: It's not the same team the spring box to the Wallabies, 80 00:04:26,253 --> 00:04:28,893 Speaker 4: but the set piece wasn't vastly improved and the high 81 00:04:28,973 --> 00:04:34,933 Speaker 4: ballwork as well. So some big improvements, but yeah, some 82 00:04:35,093 --> 00:04:37,973 Speaker 4: big concerns I think. And the way they blew leads 83 00:04:38,453 --> 00:04:40,253 Speaker 4: and allowed the Wallabies to come back. 84 00:04:40,293 --> 00:04:43,053 Speaker 3: At twenty points to three up, the All Blacks should 85 00:04:43,173 --> 00:04:45,213 Speaker 3: kick on with it there, and they were up by 86 00:04:45,293 --> 00:04:48,013 Speaker 3: that margin at twenty four minutes. As you say, and 87 00:04:48,973 --> 00:04:51,933 Speaker 3: they didn't really and this is on the sniff test 88 00:04:52,053 --> 00:04:53,693 Speaker 3: rather than me having any stats to back it up, 89 00:04:53,693 --> 00:04:55,133 Speaker 3: but they didn't really see a lot of the ball 90 00:04:55,253 --> 00:04:57,373 Speaker 3: for the last fifteen minutes of that first spell and 91 00:04:57,453 --> 00:04:59,853 Speaker 3: Australia were able to get two tries out of it. 92 00:05:00,253 --> 00:05:03,253 Speaker 3: What concerns me the most is that interior defense inside 93 00:05:03,293 --> 00:05:07,373 Speaker 3: the twenty two when Australia able to build a little 94 00:05:07,373 --> 00:05:09,053 Speaker 3: bit of pressure and they did well, I thought, just 95 00:05:09,133 --> 00:05:11,293 Speaker 3: being able to gain a meet hero there and all 96 00:05:11,293 --> 00:05:13,093 Speaker 3: of a sudden they're in the twenty two and able 97 00:05:13,133 --> 00:05:14,973 Speaker 3: to snipe and able to put some pressure on the 98 00:05:15,053 --> 00:05:17,853 Speaker 3: All Blacks defense. So that's the worry for me is 99 00:05:17,893 --> 00:05:20,213 Speaker 3: that the defense from the All Blacks still isn't right. 100 00:05:20,253 --> 00:05:22,453 Speaker 3: They weren't able to squeeze the Wallabies, they weren't able 101 00:05:22,453 --> 00:05:25,173 Speaker 3: to get defensive winds down that area of the park 102 00:05:25,253 --> 00:05:27,533 Speaker 3: and when they got into the twenty two it was 103 00:05:27,733 --> 00:05:31,093 Speaker 3: all I don't say easy, but it was fairly straightforward 104 00:05:31,133 --> 00:05:32,813 Speaker 3: for the Wallabies to be able to get some points 105 00:05:32,853 --> 00:05:34,413 Speaker 3: when they went down that into the park. 106 00:05:34,733 --> 00:05:38,013 Speaker 4: Yeah, and similar they scored in similar ways. Australia were 107 00:05:38,133 --> 00:05:41,813 Speaker 4: very deliberate in their directness around the ruck they hammered 108 00:05:41,893 --> 00:05:46,293 Speaker 4: away there before sweeping wide, and that was clearly a 109 00:05:46,373 --> 00:05:50,133 Speaker 4: tactic that joshmat or Mike Cron or someone had seen. 110 00:05:50,933 --> 00:05:53,133 Speaker 4: They sucked in the All Blacks defenders and then they 111 00:05:53,213 --> 00:05:56,133 Speaker 4: went a little bit wider and there's effectively no one there. 112 00:05:56,613 --> 00:06:00,493 Speaker 4: It was all too easy when they did those get 113 00:06:00,573 --> 00:06:04,053 Speaker 4: that pay in the All Blacks twenty two. I don't 114 00:06:04,093 --> 00:06:06,773 Speaker 4: want to shine the light massively on the officials, but 115 00:06:06,853 --> 00:06:11,613 Speaker 4: I think it's worth touching on. The Italian referee was 116 00:06:11,693 --> 00:06:15,413 Speaker 4: a massive focal figure for the Wallabies in the second 117 00:06:15,773 --> 00:06:19,173 Speaker 4: Test in the British and Irish Lions in Melbourne, so 118 00:06:19,373 --> 00:06:22,093 Speaker 4: clearly there is a bit of anks to hang over 119 00:06:22,173 --> 00:06:24,293 Speaker 4: from that, but he blew twenty five penalties. He was 120 00:06:24,333 --> 00:06:26,453 Speaker 4: a massive influence and presence on this game. 121 00:06:26,933 --> 00:06:27,973 Speaker 5: For me both ways. 122 00:06:28,573 --> 00:06:31,573 Speaker 4: I'm looking at some of those rock penalties and decisions 123 00:06:31,613 --> 00:06:36,933 Speaker 4: and it's like wow, like what I think twenty five 124 00:06:36,973 --> 00:06:39,853 Speaker 4: penalties generally is too much. You need to take a 125 00:06:39,933 --> 00:06:43,893 Speaker 4: bit of a step back. But I do want to 126 00:06:43,893 --> 00:06:46,093 Speaker 4: make the point that that's not the reason that Australia loss. 127 00:06:46,173 --> 00:06:48,013 Speaker 4: Has been a lot of fallout from that across the 128 00:06:48,053 --> 00:06:50,813 Speaker 4: ditch around Harry Potter's yellow card. 129 00:06:50,853 --> 00:06:51,813 Speaker 5: I think the oblicks. 130 00:06:52,813 --> 00:06:55,733 Speaker 4: Sorry, the Wallabies conceded the last five or six penalties, 131 00:06:56,173 --> 00:06:58,253 Speaker 4: so a lot of anks around that. For me, that's 132 00:06:58,333 --> 00:07:01,213 Speaker 4: not reason the Wallabies los lost. Look at your start, 133 00:07:01,693 --> 00:07:06,693 Speaker 4: look at other factors of the game. But I don't 134 00:07:06,773 --> 00:07:10,133 Speaker 4: think he should be the referee should be getting such 135 00:07:10,213 --> 00:07:12,733 Speaker 4: big time test matches when he's not performing on that stage. 136 00:07:12,773 --> 00:07:14,213 Speaker 3: You know he's not and I don't. I think the 137 00:07:14,333 --> 00:07:16,453 Speaker 3: big issue with me in PRT is that he doesn't 138 00:07:16,453 --> 00:07:19,613 Speaker 3: seem to have a feel for the game, and that 139 00:07:19,893 --> 00:07:23,773 Speaker 3: is an intangible but twenty five penalties, regardless of the 140 00:07:23,773 --> 00:07:26,893 Speaker 3: amount of fringing, is too much and maybe he could 141 00:07:26,893 --> 00:07:29,053 Speaker 3: have gone to the card pocket a little bit earlier 142 00:07:29,133 --> 00:07:30,813 Speaker 3: to try and stuff some of that out, but he 143 00:07:30,933 --> 00:07:33,293 Speaker 3: just didn't seem to have a lock on how the 144 00:07:33,413 --> 00:07:36,813 Speaker 3: game was transpiring in front of him. And I felt 145 00:07:36,853 --> 00:07:38,973 Speaker 3: this on a number of occasions now when Party has 146 00:07:39,013 --> 00:07:41,933 Speaker 3: been refereeing, is that his first instinct is to blow 147 00:07:41,973 --> 00:07:44,733 Speaker 3: his whistle rather than allow the teams to play. And 148 00:07:46,173 --> 00:07:48,253 Speaker 3: I think he is one of a number of referees 149 00:07:48,453 --> 00:07:51,613 Speaker 3: that have been elevated above their station far too early 150 00:07:51,653 --> 00:07:54,413 Speaker 3: by World Rugby. It's a complicated game to referee at 151 00:07:54,413 --> 00:07:57,253 Speaker 3: the moment Rugby and we could all use the rule 152 00:07:57,333 --> 00:08:00,333 Speaker 3: book being you know, whittled down a little bit. But 153 00:08:01,373 --> 00:08:05,973 Speaker 3: it seems like a really northern hemisphere approach to bring 154 00:08:06,093 --> 00:08:09,293 Speaker 3: up these referees. And Nick Shekelly is another one who 155 00:08:09,333 --> 00:08:12,813 Speaker 3: I just do not think is at international standard. I 156 00:08:12,933 --> 00:08:14,693 Speaker 3: know he's got his fans up north, but to me, 157 00:08:14,853 --> 00:08:18,453 Speaker 3: Parti and Alma Shekelly, it's almost like World Rugby are 158 00:08:18,533 --> 00:08:20,413 Speaker 3: trying to tick a box and go We're helping out 159 00:08:20,773 --> 00:08:23,653 Speaker 3: George and Rugby by getting this refere on the world stage. Well, simply, 160 00:08:23,693 --> 00:08:25,013 Speaker 3: I don't think he's up to it, and I think 161 00:08:25,093 --> 00:08:27,213 Speaker 3: Party needs to take a step back. There are a 162 00:08:27,293 --> 00:08:30,413 Speaker 3: number of good referees around the globe. Luke Pearce seems 163 00:08:30,413 --> 00:08:31,853 Speaker 3: to have fallen off the face of the earth. I'm 164 00:08:31,893 --> 00:08:34,453 Speaker 3: not sure what that's about the English reef, so I 165 00:08:34,533 --> 00:08:36,973 Speaker 3: think Joel Jute needs to take a week step back. 166 00:08:37,133 --> 00:08:40,213 Speaker 3: There needs to be some sort of pathway change around that, 167 00:08:40,333 --> 00:08:42,813 Speaker 3: because there are too many referees being elevated too early. 168 00:08:43,333 --> 00:08:46,053 Speaker 3: Having said that, I agree with you that that wasn't 169 00:08:46,093 --> 00:08:49,133 Speaker 3: the referee the reason the Wallaby's lost last night thirty 170 00:08:49,173 --> 00:08:52,253 Speaker 3: six miss tackles to the All Blacks eleven James Economissing 171 00:08:52,333 --> 00:08:53,733 Speaker 3: touch on two occasions. 172 00:08:53,773 --> 00:08:55,613 Speaker 4: Three was it ye kick the ball out on the 173 00:08:55,653 --> 00:08:56,813 Speaker 4: fall from another restart. 174 00:08:57,213 --> 00:09:01,053 Speaker 3: That is the reason why the Wallabies lost last night, 175 00:09:01,133 --> 00:09:03,333 Speaker 3: and in fact, they weren't really able to play in 176 00:09:03,413 --> 00:09:05,733 Speaker 3: the areas of the ground that they wanted to often enough. 177 00:09:05,933 --> 00:09:08,093 Speaker 3: I thought they'll pin back in the All Blacks territory 178 00:09:08,133 --> 00:09:10,573 Speaker 3: for for long passages of the game. As I said before, 179 00:09:10,573 --> 00:09:12,253 Speaker 3: when they did get into the All Black staff, they 180 00:09:12,293 --> 00:09:14,613 Speaker 3: looked dangerous, but they just didn't play in the right 181 00:09:14,693 --> 00:09:17,493 Speaker 3: areas of the park and with the ball for long enough. 182 00:09:17,573 --> 00:09:20,533 Speaker 3: And you know, I saw a colleague, Sam Bruce of 183 00:09:20,693 --> 00:09:22,373 Speaker 3: ESPN who we had on the pod, well we're on 184 00:09:22,493 --> 00:09:24,893 Speaker 3: his pod last year suggesting he thought the Wallabies played 185 00:09:24,893 --> 00:09:26,453 Speaker 3: most of the rugby. I don't think they did. I 186 00:09:26,533 --> 00:09:28,573 Speaker 3: think the All Blacks played most of it. The Wallabies 187 00:09:28,933 --> 00:09:31,093 Speaker 3: took their chances when they had them, but I felt 188 00:09:31,093 --> 00:09:33,413 Speaker 3: like the All Blacks dictated things. And that goes back 189 00:09:33,453 --> 00:09:34,973 Speaker 3: to the fact when the All Blacks are twenty two 190 00:09:34,973 --> 00:09:37,453 Speaker 3: points to three up, they really should have kicked on 191 00:09:37,773 --> 00:09:39,813 Speaker 3: and being ruthless, and that was a word that came 192 00:09:39,853 --> 00:09:42,253 Speaker 3: out from Ardie Savia in the post match media conference 193 00:09:42,773 --> 00:09:44,373 Speaker 3: is they need to be ruthless. They need to be 194 00:09:44,573 --> 00:09:46,213 Speaker 3: when they're twenty points to three up, even if you 195 00:09:46,213 --> 00:09:47,733 Speaker 3: don't score any more points in the half, you get 196 00:09:47,773 --> 00:09:50,133 Speaker 3: some stops, you make some big tackles, you make those 197 00:09:50,173 --> 00:09:53,093 Speaker 3: moments and you go into the break at twenty points 198 00:09:53,133 --> 00:09:55,013 Speaker 3: to three or even twenty points eight or ten up 199 00:09:55,053 --> 00:09:57,293 Speaker 3: at a half time. Different game from that point. But 200 00:09:57,413 --> 00:10:00,173 Speaker 3: they are putting themselves under a little bit more pressian 201 00:10:00,173 --> 00:10:01,973 Speaker 3: They probably need to at the moment, the All. 202 00:10:01,893 --> 00:10:04,613 Speaker 4: Blacks they are and look, it's hard because there's a 203 00:10:04,653 --> 00:10:06,253 Speaker 4: lot of positives to take out of that game. We 204 00:10:06,373 --> 00:10:08,853 Speaker 4: touched on Cam Roy guard Cody tay Tylor was a 205 00:10:08,933 --> 00:10:11,493 Speaker 4: massive influence coming back. I thought Jordi Barrett probably had 206 00:10:11,493 --> 00:10:14,173 Speaker 4: his best test this year. Wallace to Tt and Will 207 00:10:14,253 --> 00:10:17,693 Speaker 4: Jordan were prominent with ball in hands. So the All 208 00:10:17,693 --> 00:10:21,173 Speaker 4: Blacks did a lot of things well. But then it's 209 00:10:21,253 --> 00:10:25,093 Speaker 4: just that lack of conviction, whether it's a mentality thing, 210 00:10:25,173 --> 00:10:27,413 Speaker 4: clocking off and allowing the Wallabies to come back and 211 00:10:27,733 --> 00:10:32,333 Speaker 4: get it within three points at halftime and not finding 212 00:10:32,373 --> 00:10:35,333 Speaker 4: a way through those momentum swings, not having a big 213 00:10:35,413 --> 00:10:39,293 Speaker 4: time player stand up and you can look for a 214 00:10:39,333 --> 00:10:42,933 Speaker 4: few excuses because there were a number of disruptions to 215 00:10:43,213 --> 00:10:45,333 Speaker 4: the All Blacks. They finished that game with Quinte Pyre 216 00:10:45,413 --> 00:10:49,453 Speaker 4: on the wing. Another positive was a bench Patrick Tuopolo 217 00:10:49,533 --> 00:10:55,293 Speaker 4: to Samasoni Takyajo and well Quinte Pie and Peter Lucky 218 00:10:55,373 --> 00:10:57,533 Speaker 4: I thought made a real impact when they came on. 219 00:10:58,293 --> 00:11:02,813 Speaker 4: But it's still patchy and that's what we've seen consistently 220 00:11:02,973 --> 00:11:05,933 Speaker 4: from this All Black team throughout this Rugby Championship and 221 00:11:06,053 --> 00:11:07,973 Speaker 4: even going back to last year. They finished the Raby 222 00:11:08,013 --> 00:11:11,893 Speaker 4: champions with a fifty percent record and that's where they're 223 00:11:11,893 --> 00:11:16,573 Speaker 4: potentially hitting now. So have they improved at all under 224 00:11:16,653 --> 00:11:20,293 Speaker 4: Robinson at this point, I don't think you could say they. 225 00:11:19,973 --> 00:11:20,893 Speaker 2: Could they No, No. 226 00:11:21,053 --> 00:11:23,773 Speaker 3: I think at the back end of last year, I 227 00:11:23,853 --> 00:11:26,133 Speaker 3: think there were signs. Yes, they lost to France, but 228 00:11:26,333 --> 00:11:29,893 Speaker 3: it felt like with that England win which was built 229 00:11:29,933 --> 00:11:32,493 Speaker 3: on some some real toughness and really not playing that 230 00:11:32,573 --> 00:11:35,133 Speaker 3: well but still emerging with the win Ireland, the best 231 00:11:35,173 --> 00:11:38,893 Speaker 3: test of the year dropped against France. You know, at 232 00:11:38,973 --> 00:11:41,773 Speaker 3: started to France and then a poor performance against Italy, 233 00:11:41,853 --> 00:11:43,613 Speaker 3: but it felt like they were making some shifts and 234 00:11:43,693 --> 00:11:46,733 Speaker 3: then obviously took a big steps backward against Argentina and 235 00:11:46,853 --> 00:11:49,013 Speaker 3: again that big loss against South Afy a couple of 236 00:11:49,053 --> 00:11:53,213 Speaker 3: weeks ago. So they're not stagnant necessarily. 237 00:11:52,773 --> 00:11:55,413 Speaker 4: But the body of work is not there to say, 238 00:11:56,333 --> 00:12:00,493 Speaker 4: here's the incremental improvements, here's the back to back performances, 239 00:12:00,573 --> 00:12:05,333 Speaker 4: here's the long instances within games or when they're under pressure, 240 00:12:05,373 --> 00:12:08,253 Speaker 4: they're responding that body of work is not there. 241 00:12:08,453 --> 00:12:08,813 Speaker 2: No, it's not. 242 00:12:08,933 --> 00:12:10,533 Speaker 3: And again when it got back to twenty six to 243 00:12:10,573 --> 00:12:12,973 Speaker 3: twenty four, it felt like, and look, everyone's got a 244 00:12:13,013 --> 00:12:15,133 Speaker 3: different perspective on how the game unfolds, but you kept 245 00:12:15,133 --> 00:12:17,693 Speaker 3: waiting for the All Blacks to crack that game open, 246 00:12:17,773 --> 00:12:19,733 Speaker 3: whether it was before half time and they're already up 247 00:12:19,733 --> 00:12:21,453 Speaker 3: twenty points to three, but just to put the foot 248 00:12:21,493 --> 00:12:24,613 Speaker 3: on the throat. Then again after halftime, you know, twenty 249 00:12:24,693 --> 00:12:26,333 Speaker 3: to seventeen after the break, Yes, I put a couple 250 00:12:26,333 --> 00:12:29,253 Speaker 3: of penalties on the board, but didn't feel really like 251 00:12:29,333 --> 00:12:32,573 Speaker 3: Australia had earned getting back to twenty six to twenty four. 252 00:12:32,573 --> 00:12:34,693 Speaker 3: I mean then the greatest respectcause it felt like the 253 00:12:34,733 --> 00:12:37,053 Speaker 3: All Blacks are playing most of the rugby. But therein 254 00:12:37,093 --> 00:12:39,053 Speaker 3: lies the problem is that the All Blacks have played 255 00:12:39,093 --> 00:12:41,253 Speaker 3: most of the rugby, but weren't getting their rewards and 256 00:12:41,333 --> 00:12:44,013 Speaker 3: that had the door open to Australia to potentially come 257 00:12:44,053 --> 00:12:44,893 Speaker 3: through and steal the game. 258 00:12:45,373 --> 00:12:48,093 Speaker 4: Yeah. One area Shirlia did well was disrupt the All 259 00:12:48,133 --> 00:12:57,013 Speaker 4: Blecks breakdown. Frase mcwright, Harry Wilson Hooper, Nick Frost. I 260 00:12:57,093 --> 00:13:00,373 Speaker 4: thought that the Wallabies full pack really disrupted and competed 261 00:13:00,413 --> 00:13:02,093 Speaker 4: well at the breakdown and that's where they actually got 262 00:13:02,133 --> 00:13:03,893 Speaker 4: a lot of pay. That's how they came back into 263 00:13:03,973 --> 00:13:05,893 Speaker 4: the game. So that'll be a massive area of focus. 264 00:13:06,693 --> 00:13:09,253 Speaker 4: The All Bleck's ball carrying was good at times, but 265 00:13:09,373 --> 00:13:11,373 Speaker 4: I thought they're cleaners, lacked a bit of urgency and 266 00:13:11,413 --> 00:13:14,693 Speaker 4: body heights. Ye, so I think Australia tick for them 267 00:13:15,133 --> 00:13:18,093 Speaker 4: won the area of the game. But by and large, 268 00:13:18,133 --> 00:13:20,813 Speaker 4: the All Blacks had a lot of a lot of territory, 269 00:13:20,853 --> 00:13:25,253 Speaker 4: a lot of front foot possession, and it's that ruthlessness 270 00:13:25,493 --> 00:13:28,253 Speaker 4: to put teams away when you have that dominance. And 271 00:13:28,333 --> 00:13:32,373 Speaker 4: we've seen teams throughout this Rugby Championship score points quickly 272 00:13:32,533 --> 00:13:34,253 Speaker 4: when they have that momentum, and the All Blecks did 273 00:13:34,333 --> 00:13:38,093 Speaker 4: that and patches, but then they buttoned off and it's 274 00:13:38,693 --> 00:13:43,853 Speaker 4: it's that area that of conviction, of ruthlessness that this 275 00:13:44,013 --> 00:13:47,333 Speaker 4: All Black team is yet to convince, and Artie Severe 276 00:13:47,333 --> 00:13:49,533 Speaker 4: spoke to that, I think very well postmatch he said, 277 00:13:50,373 --> 00:13:52,533 Speaker 4: you know, we need to be hard on ourselves. We 278 00:13:52,613 --> 00:13:56,573 Speaker 4: need to help hold ourselves accountable because effectively, what he's 279 00:13:56,613 --> 00:13:59,213 Speaker 4: saying is this isn't the benchmark. 280 00:13:59,333 --> 00:14:01,133 Speaker 5: We need to be better. We need to improve, and 281 00:14:01,213 --> 00:14:02,013 Speaker 5: that's very evident. 282 00:14:02,253 --> 00:14:02,533 Speaker 4: It is. 283 00:14:02,693 --> 00:14:05,933 Speaker 3: So you touched up before Bodenbartt goes off early in 284 00:14:06,013 --> 00:14:10,893 Speaker 3: the game. Relatively speaking, they also lose Ethan to Grootz 285 00:14:11,173 --> 00:14:13,893 Speaker 3: and then Caleb Clarke goes off injured. But in terms 286 00:14:13,933 --> 00:14:17,453 Speaker 3: of Boden Barrett, how much of an influence is his 287 00:14:17,693 --> 00:14:19,293 Speaker 3: loss because he's not going to be going to Perth. 288 00:14:20,013 --> 00:14:24,013 Speaker 3: Damien McKenzie, you would suspect will start at ten, but 289 00:14:24,493 --> 00:14:27,053 Speaker 3: as we look forward now it's a big loss for 290 00:14:27,093 --> 00:14:27,613 Speaker 3: the All Blacks. 291 00:14:27,613 --> 00:14:30,093 Speaker 2: But McKenzie, you know, no stranger to filling that ten jersey. 292 00:14:31,093 --> 00:14:33,133 Speaker 5: He's not, but he is this year. 293 00:14:33,453 --> 00:14:36,213 Speaker 4: He's a one test at ten in Hamilton when there 294 00:14:36,253 --> 00:14:38,693 Speaker 4: was a rafter changes and it didn't go very well. 295 00:14:40,573 --> 00:14:44,533 Speaker 4: I think McKenzie is a different player. He's an accomplished 296 00:14:44,573 --> 00:14:50,733 Speaker 4: ten certainly at tests at super rugby level. He guided 297 00:14:50,773 --> 00:14:53,133 Speaker 4: the All Blacks in their best performance of last year 298 00:14:53,413 --> 00:14:56,933 Speaker 4: against Ireland in Dublin, so I think he will take 299 00:14:56,933 --> 00:14:58,933 Speaker 4: a lot of confidence from that. He's the best goalkicker 300 00:14:59,053 --> 00:15:02,613 Speaker 4: by quite some distance, so that helps as well. He 301 00:15:03,453 --> 00:15:05,853 Speaker 4: I think he challenges the line, digs into the line 302 00:15:05,933 --> 00:15:09,173 Speaker 4: a lot more than Boden, so that could help their attack. 303 00:15:10,093 --> 00:15:11,453 Speaker 5: But I think he still has. 304 00:15:13,053 --> 00:15:16,733 Speaker 4: I don't know whether it's flightiness or a brain explosion, 305 00:15:16,773 --> 00:15:19,613 Speaker 4: but he has a mistake in them or a rash moment, 306 00:15:20,213 --> 00:15:23,733 Speaker 4: so that's a bit of a concern. And it did 307 00:15:23,773 --> 00:15:27,013 Speaker 4: feel like the All Blacks attack wasn't quite as sharp 308 00:15:27,373 --> 00:15:29,173 Speaker 4: when he went off, and I don't know whether other 309 00:15:29,253 --> 00:15:32,333 Speaker 4: factors are at play there potentially, but it is a 310 00:15:32,373 --> 00:15:35,053 Speaker 4: big opportunity for him because a bone better. 311 00:15:34,933 --> 00:15:36,493 Speaker 5: We don't know yet, has to have scans. 312 00:15:37,653 --> 00:15:41,173 Speaker 4: AC shoulder injuries without surgery can be anywhere from two 313 00:15:41,253 --> 00:15:43,973 Speaker 4: to twelve weeks, so who knows how long bon is 314 00:15:43,973 --> 00:15:47,053 Speaker 4: going to be sidelined. They haven't called in anyone for 315 00:15:47,413 --> 00:15:49,213 Speaker 4: Perth this week, and you think that's a bit of 316 00:15:49,253 --> 00:15:49,533 Speaker 4: a risk. 317 00:15:49,653 --> 00:15:52,533 Speaker 3: I think it's a big risk. Look, it's one flight 318 00:15:54,053 --> 00:15:55,613 Speaker 3: and you know it's what's seven and a half hours 319 00:15:55,653 --> 00:15:58,293 Speaker 3: to get there, but they've left here. We're recording this 320 00:15:58,413 --> 00:16:02,453 Speaker 3: on Sunday. They're not taking any cover. They'll train on Tuesday. 321 00:16:02,493 --> 00:16:06,013 Speaker 3: If Damian McKenzie rolls an ankle or does his knee 322 00:16:06,053 --> 00:16:08,733 Speaker 3: or what. You don't wish that on them, Robin Love 323 00:16:08,773 --> 00:16:12,933 Speaker 3: for that matter, then by that point you fly someone over, 324 00:16:13,613 --> 00:16:16,653 Speaker 3: it's probably first until they train, they probably don't even play. 325 00:16:17,373 --> 00:16:18,933 Speaker 3: I think it's a risk, not just to have an 326 00:16:18,933 --> 00:16:21,613 Speaker 3: extra body there. And yes, you know someone coming in 327 00:16:21,733 --> 00:16:24,733 Speaker 3: fresh and cold may not know the calls necessarily, but 328 00:16:25,173 --> 00:16:27,573 Speaker 3: surely they're better to have some ten cover because what 329 00:16:27,813 --> 00:16:32,413 Speaker 3: is the case if McKenzie goes down Rebon Love obviously starts, 330 00:16:33,133 --> 00:16:35,813 Speaker 3: But where does your teen cover come from the bench? 331 00:16:35,933 --> 00:16:38,373 Speaker 3: Do you look to Jordi Barrett who had one test 332 00:16:38,453 --> 00:16:42,373 Speaker 3: at ten and it's probably the next natural playmaker and 333 00:16:42,493 --> 00:16:45,773 Speaker 3: the team you know hasn't played ten and six years 334 00:16:45,813 --> 00:16:48,333 Speaker 3: and there was only a one off against Aamibia. You 335 00:16:48,493 --> 00:16:50,693 Speaker 3: look to a cam Roygard potentially to slide out to 336 00:16:50,773 --> 00:16:55,813 Speaker 3: ten with Christy and Ratama the I mean, it's worst 337 00:16:55,853 --> 00:16:59,293 Speaker 3: case scenario thinking, but I'm surprised that they haven't. You 338 00:16:59,573 --> 00:17:02,813 Speaker 3: handed Josh Jacob or someone a plane tick and see 339 00:17:02,853 --> 00:17:04,293 Speaker 3: come with us to Perth, even if they ended up 340 00:17:04,293 --> 00:17:06,493 Speaker 3: sitting in the stands for a week for the game. 341 00:17:06,533 --> 00:17:08,693 Speaker 4: Brother, Yeah, I think it's it is a resp because 342 00:17:09,573 --> 00:17:14,253 Speaker 4: every squad usually has three tens, three half backs, three hookers. 343 00:17:14,573 --> 00:17:19,213 Speaker 4: They very specialized positions. Del Blecks have called in Tavita 344 00:17:19,253 --> 00:17:22,333 Speaker 4: Mafialo as covered for Ethan the group. Now that's largely 345 00:17:22,413 --> 00:17:24,853 Speaker 4: for a posed scrummaging I think. And also Elie Norris 346 00:17:25,053 --> 00:17:27,973 Speaker 4: is back Andrew been listed as injured in recent weeks, 347 00:17:28,013 --> 00:17:32,573 Speaker 4: so maybe they're down on loose head props there. But yeah, 348 00:17:32,733 --> 00:17:34,973 Speaker 4: you wouldn't want to be going into attest a couple 349 00:17:35,013 --> 00:17:39,813 Speaker 4: of days out having flown someone over. You could argue 350 00:17:40,733 --> 00:17:44,293 Speaker 4: perhaps James O'Connor's performance was affected by flying all the 351 00:17:44,333 --> 00:17:48,333 Speaker 4: way from Europe arriving on the Monday. I don't know 352 00:17:48,373 --> 00:17:50,573 Speaker 4: where they're necessarily affected as kicking, but it is a 353 00:17:50,613 --> 00:17:54,293 Speaker 4: long way to travel and it is disruption, So yeah, 354 00:17:54,293 --> 00:17:56,653 Speaker 4: I don't know why they're not erring on the side 355 00:17:56,693 --> 00:17:59,773 Speaker 4: of caution and calling in in a Josh Jacob. 356 00:17:59,973 --> 00:18:02,333 Speaker 3: To provide Scott Barrett will be sis during the week 357 00:18:02,373 --> 00:18:04,493 Speaker 3: hat of Clark as well with an ankle indrets or him. 358 00:18:04,533 --> 00:18:07,493 Speaker 3: Golf will be assessed as well as the week goes on. 359 00:18:07,693 --> 00:18:10,973 Speaker 3: So if we look at this from an All Blacks 360 00:18:11,013 --> 00:18:13,493 Speaker 3: team perspective, they're going to have to replace McKinsey with 361 00:18:13,533 --> 00:18:17,053 Speaker 3: Barrett Sorry vice versa degree will be out and you'd 362 00:18:17,093 --> 00:18:19,293 Speaker 3: suspect this might be to Mighty Williams first start of 363 00:18:19,973 --> 00:18:24,013 Speaker 3: the season since he's come back. You see there being 364 00:18:24,053 --> 00:18:27,533 Speaker 3: too many other changes, you know, Barrett Vye injuries pinned 365 00:18:27,573 --> 00:18:28,573 Speaker 3: in Caleb Clark as well. 366 00:18:30,133 --> 00:18:34,893 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know whether Caleb Clark plays. I don't 367 00:18:34,893 --> 00:18:36,453 Speaker 4: know how bad it is. He told us at the 368 00:18:36,493 --> 00:18:39,333 Speaker 4: airport today is feeling a lot better than last night's 369 00:18:40,093 --> 00:18:43,573 Speaker 4: but it's the same ankle he reinjured, So maybe they're 370 00:18:43,573 --> 00:18:45,773 Speaker 4: weerr on the side of caution. I thought he was 371 00:18:45,853 --> 00:18:49,413 Speaker 4: really good and his power carries. He terrorized Harry Potter. 372 00:18:49,493 --> 00:18:54,613 Speaker 4: He was good in the air. If Caleb's out, there's 373 00:18:54,653 --> 00:18:59,053 Speaker 4: two options, really, isn't there, Lisa fining Anooku or Riko 374 00:18:59,053 --> 00:19:03,173 Speaker 4: Ohanney and I'd go Lester. I think Ricco's had his 375 00:19:03,293 --> 00:19:06,853 Speaker 4: chance and didn't take it, And I think we need 376 00:19:06,893 --> 00:19:11,293 Speaker 4: to see Lester and Lester's probably seen more as a midfielder. 377 00:19:11,493 --> 00:19:14,333 Speaker 4: He's spent basically two years in France playing midfield, so 378 00:19:14,493 --> 00:19:16,453 Speaker 4: maybe there's some concerns under the high ball. 379 00:19:16,933 --> 00:19:19,773 Speaker 5: But you think about bringing him off the wing. 380 00:19:19,933 --> 00:19:23,893 Speaker 4: He's a real power option and I don't think at 381 00:19:23,933 --> 00:19:26,013 Speaker 4: this stage you could replace Quinta Pyre off the bench. 382 00:19:26,253 --> 00:19:30,413 Speaker 4: He's been very good in his contributions, very direct, powerful carries. 383 00:19:30,373 --> 00:19:31,133 Speaker 5: Taking his chance. 384 00:19:31,213 --> 00:19:33,853 Speaker 4: So if you don't go Lester in the starting team, 385 00:19:33,933 --> 00:19:35,653 Speaker 4: I don't know if you can bring him onto the bench. 386 00:19:36,493 --> 00:19:41,533 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably a fair assumption. Billy Procter 387 00:19:41,613 --> 00:19:45,293 Speaker 3: at the center again, I thought it had a solid test, 388 00:19:45,453 --> 00:19:48,773 Speaker 3: considered a penalty, and it's probably found defensively lacking. A 389 00:19:48,853 --> 00:19:51,013 Speaker 3: couple of times it felt like Leroy Carter has sort 390 00:19:51,053 --> 00:19:53,053 Speaker 3: of made some of the spot tackles that you'd probably 391 00:19:53,133 --> 00:19:55,413 Speaker 3: expect Proctor to make them in terms of getting so 392 00:19:55,533 --> 00:20:00,093 Speaker 3: elity and a guitar to ground. But it seems like 393 00:20:00,173 --> 00:20:04,093 Speaker 3: they are going to persist with Billy Proctor because, without 394 00:20:05,013 --> 00:20:07,973 Speaker 3: speaking too deeply to the all Blacks on this, it 395 00:20:08,053 --> 00:20:10,173 Speaker 3: does feel like the more opportunities they give them, the 396 00:20:10,293 --> 00:20:12,533 Speaker 3: more they believe it will click and things will get 397 00:20:12,533 --> 00:20:14,653 Speaker 3: into place, and it might just be something that clicks 398 00:20:14,693 --> 00:20:16,893 Speaker 3: into gear and it's a you know, Eureka moment, he's 399 00:20:16,893 --> 00:20:17,093 Speaker 3: got it. 400 00:20:17,653 --> 00:20:23,053 Speaker 4: There was that one frustrating rock penalty unnecessary, and yeah, 401 00:20:23,053 --> 00:20:25,813 Speaker 4: a couple of distribution moments that went well for him, 402 00:20:25,853 --> 00:20:27,253 Speaker 4: but it's still not clicking. 403 00:20:27,613 --> 00:20:28,213 Speaker 5: But I agree. 404 00:20:28,293 --> 00:20:31,213 Speaker 4: I think they will stick with them, partly because they 405 00:20:31,253 --> 00:20:34,133 Speaker 4: are potentially going to have to make changes elsewhere. The 406 00:20:34,173 --> 00:20:36,973 Speaker 4: All Blacks were relatively confident that Scott Brott would return 407 00:20:37,093 --> 00:20:39,213 Speaker 4: next week, so maybe he comes straight in for two 408 00:20:39,253 --> 00:20:42,253 Speaker 4: per VI, but well, McKenzie coming in, potential change on 409 00:20:42,333 --> 00:20:44,693 Speaker 4: the on the left wing, change at loose heads. 410 00:20:44,853 --> 00:20:46,373 Speaker 5: You have to make some changes to the bench. 411 00:20:46,453 --> 00:20:48,333 Speaker 4: I don't think you want to be tinkering too much, 412 00:20:49,133 --> 00:20:54,173 Speaker 4: given how important it is to register successive wins. But 413 00:20:56,373 --> 00:20:58,613 Speaker 4: I think you could still say that that Billy hasn't 414 00:20:58,653 --> 00:21:02,613 Speaker 4: taken his chance. That was Bill Black's best attacking performance largely, 415 00:21:02,693 --> 00:21:05,493 Speaker 4: and he still didn't really shine. You look at the 416 00:21:05,573 --> 00:21:10,373 Speaker 4: way Quinn impacted things when he's come on Jordi Barrett's 417 00:21:10,853 --> 00:21:15,293 Speaker 4: match winning moment again, and we just haven't seen enough 418 00:21:15,333 --> 00:21:18,413 Speaker 4: of Billy, particularly on attack, I think, and just on 419 00:21:18,573 --> 00:21:22,333 Speaker 4: Leroy Carter I really like what he's done coming into 420 00:21:22,373 --> 00:21:27,373 Speaker 4: Test rugby. He doesn't look overwards and those two tackles 421 00:21:27,413 --> 00:21:32,333 Speaker 4: on sauy Lee and Iktl completely punching above his weights, 422 00:21:32,893 --> 00:21:36,693 Speaker 4: drawing on the seventh scene, and he's highly involved from 423 00:21:36,733 --> 00:21:39,853 Speaker 4: the wing. Goes looking for work, so does Sevu. But 424 00:21:39,973 --> 00:21:42,413 Speaker 4: Sevu's just really erratic. You don't know what he's doing. 425 00:21:42,733 --> 00:21:45,493 Speaker 4: I think Leroy overplayed his hand when he got held up. Yeah, 426 00:21:46,213 --> 00:21:48,093 Speaker 4: but he scored one. Try doing that, so I don't 427 00:21:48,093 --> 00:21:49,933 Speaker 4: think he could be too harsh on him having a crack. 428 00:21:50,733 --> 00:21:52,773 Speaker 4: But I like the fact he goes looking for work 429 00:21:54,453 --> 00:21:57,613 Speaker 4: and the All Blacks are compensating for his height by 430 00:21:57,693 --> 00:21:59,133 Speaker 4: using Jordi Barrett in the backfield. 431 00:21:59,173 --> 00:22:02,133 Speaker 5: I thought that that worked well. So I think he's 432 00:22:02,173 --> 00:22:03,013 Speaker 5: really taking his chance. 433 00:22:03,133 --> 00:22:05,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, if He've been very impressed by him on both 434 00:22:05,133 --> 00:22:07,133 Speaker 3: sides of the park, left wing, right wing, and you 435 00:22:07,213 --> 00:22:09,333 Speaker 3: know not every wing can play both sides, but he's 436 00:22:09,333 --> 00:22:12,893 Speaker 3: shown that he can, and yeah, I think he's surely 437 00:22:12,973 --> 00:22:14,653 Speaker 3: going to play the third letters line looks to be 438 00:22:14,773 --> 00:22:17,053 Speaker 3: a real keeper for the All Blacks. And it's all 439 00:22:17,053 --> 00:22:19,413 Speaker 3: about taking your opportunities. I mean, you think back morning 440 00:22:19,413 --> 00:22:22,333 Speaker 3: another were injured in that Eden Park game squad an 441 00:22:22,333 --> 00:22:24,933 Speaker 3: early try I went off a few moments later. He 442 00:22:25,013 --> 00:22:27,493 Speaker 3: wont be back this week and maybe interviewed two is 443 00:22:27,533 --> 00:22:31,133 Speaker 3: more his time frame. But you know, things can change 444 00:22:31,173 --> 00:22:34,293 Speaker 3: pretty quickly in the All Blacks environment. Just in terms 445 00:22:34,293 --> 00:22:36,333 Speaker 3: of that big picture in the Rugby Championship, the spring 446 00:22:36,413 --> 00:22:40,973 Speaker 3: Box overnight putting a real score on Argentina sixty seven 447 00:22:41,053 --> 00:22:44,853 Speaker 3: points to thirty. In terms of the overall standings, you know, 448 00:22:44,933 --> 00:22:47,853 Speaker 3: the boxer leading the way in the Rugby Championship by 449 00:22:47,973 --> 00:22:50,533 Speaker 3: just a point, but it is going to be potentially 450 00:22:50,933 --> 00:22:55,053 Speaker 3: decided who knows on points difference and in which case 451 00:22:55,133 --> 00:22:58,653 Speaker 3: the Springboks have got a massive head start there fifty 452 00:22:58,693 --> 00:23:01,613 Speaker 3: five plus too the All Blacks negative six, so you 453 00:23:01,653 --> 00:23:03,013 Speaker 3: know it's all to play for, and you know the 454 00:23:03,053 --> 00:23:05,853 Speaker 3: Warbies could come through and sneak it the next weekend. 455 00:23:06,453 --> 00:23:09,813 Speaker 3: Argentina out of the record, but it's going to go 456 00:23:09,933 --> 00:23:11,733 Speaker 3: probably down to the wire. It's twicking them to decide 457 00:23:11,733 --> 00:23:13,293 Speaker 3: this Rugby Championship next weekend. 458 00:23:13,613 --> 00:23:17,453 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know this definitively because I remember a 459 00:23:17,533 --> 00:23:20,853 Speaker 4: Rugby Championship I'd intended to test at Alice Park when 460 00:23:20,893 --> 00:23:22,773 Speaker 4: the Springbots had to score x amount of points to 461 00:23:22,813 --> 00:23:24,933 Speaker 4: win the Raby Championship. But somebody said today that this 462 00:23:25,093 --> 00:23:29,573 Speaker 4: is the tightest Raby Championship in history. It's certainly captivating 463 00:23:29,853 --> 00:23:31,333 Speaker 4: and it is going to come down to the wire. 464 00:23:32,493 --> 00:23:34,533 Speaker 4: I can't see the All Blacks going to Perth and 465 00:23:34,613 --> 00:23:37,533 Speaker 4: getting a bonus point win. I think it will be 466 00:23:38,133 --> 00:23:38,933 Speaker 4: plus three tries. 467 00:23:38,973 --> 00:23:40,973 Speaker 2: It is more difficult these days than I. 468 00:23:40,973 --> 00:23:42,493 Speaker 4: Think it's going to come down to a knife edge. 469 00:23:42,493 --> 00:23:44,173 Speaker 4: I think the Wallabies are going to improve. They're on 470 00:23:44,253 --> 00:23:47,813 Speaker 4: home soil. They get Will Skelton back, Rob Valentini and 471 00:23:47,893 --> 00:23:51,293 Speaker 4: potentially Tom Liner as well. I saw the called and 472 00:23:51,413 --> 00:23:55,573 Speaker 4: Josh Flick Fluke yep Fluke. I don't think he's a 473 00:23:55,653 --> 00:23:59,133 Speaker 4: big game changer. But maybe there's some injuries concerns in 474 00:23:59,173 --> 00:24:03,373 Speaker 4: their midfield. But they'll be stronger, particularly for having Skelton 475 00:24:03,453 --> 00:24:08,533 Speaker 4: back in that mix. So I'm nervous for the All 476 00:24:08,533 --> 00:24:11,093 Speaker 4: Blacks and Perth and I can't see them going there 477 00:24:11,133 --> 00:24:13,853 Speaker 4: and getting a bonus points. So it's certainly the box 478 00:24:13,933 --> 00:24:16,253 Speaker 4: Rugby Championship to lose. Yeah, And would that game being 479 00:24:16,333 --> 00:24:17,453 Speaker 4: at Twickenham. 480 00:24:17,573 --> 00:24:19,693 Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah. If it was in Argentina. If they're going 481 00:24:19,733 --> 00:24:22,013 Speaker 3: to Buenos Aires, then it might be a different story. 482 00:24:22,133 --> 00:24:25,573 Speaker 3: But let's see what Felippe countinpo me can magic up 483 00:24:25,693 --> 00:24:29,173 Speaker 3: when they go to London Town this week. Are all 484 00:24:29,413 --> 00:24:32,053 Speaker 3: to play for this weekend? Roll attack, quick break, come 485 00:24:32,133 --> 00:24:33,733 Speaker 3: back and wrap up the Black Ferns and their World 486 00:24:33,773 --> 00:24:35,653 Speaker 3: Cup campaign Here on Rugby Directs. 487 00:24:36,453 --> 00:24:40,493 Speaker 1: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fares. 488 00:24:43,173 --> 00:24:47,693 Speaker 3: Every try, try ten sixty sec, every tackle, Get up again. 489 00:24:50,973 --> 00:24:51,693 Speaker 2: Afore time. 490 00:24:51,773 --> 00:24:54,253 Speaker 5: It's Rugby direct talks me. 491 00:24:54,613 --> 00:24:57,813 Speaker 3: You're back with Rugby Directs and Black Ferns taking the 492 00:24:57,853 --> 00:25:01,653 Speaker 3: bronze medal at the Women's Rugby World Cup won by England, 493 00:25:01,693 --> 00:25:06,173 Speaker 3: who were the tournament favorites. So comfortably against England this 494 00:25:06,253 --> 00:25:09,093 Speaker 3: morning ra against Canada this morning thirty fe three thirteen, 495 00:25:09,773 --> 00:25:12,493 Speaker 3: the Black Funs beating France forty two to twenty six, 496 00:25:12,613 --> 00:25:14,693 Speaker 3: but game was kind of done when they leave thirty 497 00:25:14,773 --> 00:25:18,933 Speaker 3: nine to seven. Look, those third fourth playoffs are tough 498 00:25:19,013 --> 00:25:21,613 Speaker 3: games to play. No one wants to be playing them. 499 00:25:22,373 --> 00:25:26,133 Speaker 3: The Black Ferns pretty much did or you could ask 500 00:25:26,213 --> 00:25:28,293 Speaker 3: of them in terms of putting in a score. They 501 00:25:28,373 --> 00:25:30,293 Speaker 3: probably clicked off a little bit too early around the 502 00:25:30,333 --> 00:25:33,013 Speaker 3: hour mark and allowed France to get a wee sniff 503 00:25:33,053 --> 00:25:35,813 Speaker 3: and closer within thirteen or one stage. But I think 504 00:25:37,173 --> 00:25:41,093 Speaker 3: would you deem it a successful tournament liam on the 505 00:25:41,213 --> 00:25:43,413 Speaker 3: on the basis of what we've seen for the Black Fans. 506 00:25:43,533 --> 00:25:46,813 Speaker 5: No, No, I don't know. You can't they win in 507 00:25:46,853 --> 00:25:50,373 Speaker 5: as defending champions, and while that is. 508 00:25:52,213 --> 00:25:55,053 Speaker 4: Skewed, I think, you know, look, give them all the 509 00:25:55,133 --> 00:25:58,013 Speaker 4: credit they deserve for winning that final, but they were 510 00:25:58,613 --> 00:26:01,493 Speaker 4: up against a phenomenal English team who had been dominant 511 00:26:01,533 --> 00:26:05,573 Speaker 4: for or have been dominant for eight plus years, so 512 00:26:07,013 --> 00:26:08,973 Speaker 4: there's a bit of context around them in terms of 513 00:26:09,493 --> 00:26:13,013 Speaker 4: coming into this tournament. But I think you could have 514 00:26:13,133 --> 00:26:15,213 Speaker 4: deemed the tournament as success of the Black Ferns have 515 00:26:15,253 --> 00:26:19,493 Speaker 4: made the final, and I think what paints that more 516 00:26:19,533 --> 00:26:23,013 Speaker 4: starkly is the fact that Canada are largely still an 517 00:26:23,013 --> 00:26:26,413 Speaker 4: amateur program, and so for all the money and resource 518 00:26:26,453 --> 00:26:28,733 Speaker 4: that's been invested in the Black Ferns, I don't think 519 00:26:28,813 --> 00:26:33,333 Speaker 4: you've seen enough improvements from that team, and to lose 520 00:26:33,373 --> 00:26:34,493 Speaker 4: that semi final. 521 00:26:36,573 --> 00:26:38,653 Speaker 5: It is extremely disappointing. 522 00:26:38,733 --> 00:26:41,013 Speaker 4: Yes, great to bounce back and when the third and fourth, 523 00:26:41,293 --> 00:26:44,333 Speaker 4: but I don't deem this tournament a success, And I 524 00:26:44,373 --> 00:26:47,293 Speaker 4: think when it comes time for the review that we 525 00:26:47,293 --> 00:26:49,773 Speaker 4: be serious questions asked about why they didn't make their final. 526 00:26:50,253 --> 00:26:51,813 Speaker 2: I think there are a number of factors. 527 00:26:51,853 --> 00:26:53,693 Speaker 3: We did talk about a couple last week around where 528 00:26:53,693 --> 00:26:57,373 Speaker 3: the Super Rugby or pick is preparing players adequately, don't 529 00:26:57,413 --> 00:27:00,293 Speaker 3: have a huge amount of answers for that. England's pumping 530 00:27:00,333 --> 00:27:03,453 Speaker 3: a lot of money into their women's premiership and not 531 00:27:03,613 --> 00:27:06,133 Speaker 3: many other unions in the world are able to one 532 00:27:06,213 --> 00:27:08,653 Speaker 3: match that or to even have the interest in doing that, 533 00:27:09,613 --> 00:27:12,333 Speaker 3: and I think that creates is going to create some 534 00:27:12,413 --> 00:27:13,933 Speaker 3: issues over the next few years. And there's a lot 535 00:27:13,933 --> 00:27:17,053 Speaker 3: of candidate Canadian players at play in that English competition, 536 00:27:17,293 --> 00:27:19,853 Speaker 3: so while their own pathways are not great and the 537 00:27:19,893 --> 00:27:23,853 Speaker 3: funding's not there, that's playing top quality games against a 538 00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:27,693 Speaker 3: lot of English players and worldwide players. But England at 539 00:27:27,733 --> 00:27:30,613 Speaker 3: the moment are kind of dictating terms in women's rugby 540 00:27:30,693 --> 00:27:34,333 Speaker 3: and I don't see that changing or picky you know 541 00:27:34,453 --> 00:27:36,853 Speaker 3: link with Australia. Don't think that solves too many issues 542 00:27:37,453 --> 00:27:40,333 Speaker 3: around it. So you might get a few Black fans 543 00:27:40,413 --> 00:27:42,973 Speaker 3: going up and playing in that women's premiership on loan 544 00:27:43,133 --> 00:27:46,893 Speaker 3: or on sabbaticals, whatever it might be. But in terms 545 00:27:46,933 --> 00:27:50,293 Speaker 3: of just being battle hardened to be honest, I can 546 00:27:50,373 --> 00:27:53,933 Speaker 3: only see England getting better and better just because, as 547 00:27:53,973 --> 00:27:57,453 Speaker 3: I said, their pathways are so elites. They've got a 548 00:27:57,533 --> 00:28:00,733 Speaker 3: lot of money poured in from the financial mic that 549 00:28:00,813 --> 00:28:07,533 Speaker 3: they have and again interest level wise from you know, Australia, 550 00:28:08,413 --> 00:28:10,893 Speaker 3: other countries around the world don't think it's there for 551 00:28:10,933 --> 00:28:11,693 Speaker 3: the women's program. 552 00:28:12,133 --> 00:28:13,053 Speaker 5: No, I totally agree. 553 00:28:13,213 --> 00:28:18,053 Speaker 4: And yeah, that level of investments on the whole matters. 554 00:28:18,133 --> 00:28:20,613 Speaker 4: It hasn't matter for Canada, but I think they are 555 00:28:20,653 --> 00:28:23,253 Speaker 4: the exception to the rule and you've got to really 556 00:28:23,293 --> 00:28:24,733 Speaker 4: praise them for what they've done and. 557 00:28:26,213 --> 00:28:27,253 Speaker 5: To get to that stage. 558 00:28:27,333 --> 00:28:30,333 Speaker 4: But I agree, I think England will get better and 559 00:28:30,413 --> 00:28:36,253 Speaker 4: better because of depth, because they are fully professional and 560 00:28:36,693 --> 00:28:39,933 Speaker 4: everything that comes with that that you wrap around your squads. 561 00:28:40,093 --> 00:28:44,333 Speaker 4: So yeah, and also John Mitchell gets his first World 562 00:28:44,333 --> 00:28:44,733 Speaker 4: Cup title. 563 00:28:44,853 --> 00:28:47,053 Speaker 3: That's right, he had denied in two thousand and three 564 00:28:47,173 --> 00:28:49,373 Speaker 3: by stealing Wartlock. 565 00:28:50,813 --> 00:28:52,493 Speaker 2: Gets the chocolates this time again. 566 00:28:52,573 --> 00:28:54,533 Speaker 3: Maybe the second coming, what is the second coming perhaps 567 00:28:54,573 --> 00:28:57,373 Speaker 3: of John Mitchell, who knows what he's up to next. 568 00:28:57,413 --> 00:29:00,013 Speaker 3: You see Alan Bunting sticking around. I believe my understanding 569 00:29:00,093 --> 00:29:03,973 Speaker 3: is he's off contract with the Black Ferns. I'm not 570 00:29:04,013 --> 00:29:05,773 Speaker 3: sure whether he wants to seek or renewal or not. 571 00:29:06,093 --> 00:29:09,173 Speaker 3: But today he's some changes the coaching set up for 572 00:29:09,213 --> 00:29:09,533 Speaker 3: that team. 573 00:29:09,853 --> 00:29:11,333 Speaker 5: Yeah, potentially I think they might. 574 00:29:11,733 --> 00:29:17,893 Speaker 4: And the only hard thing is there's no obvious successor 575 00:29:17,973 --> 00:29:20,013 Speaker 4: that just stands out as the how. 576 00:29:19,973 --> 00:29:23,213 Speaker 2: Long is John Mitchell contracted for Eland rugby? Is time 577 00:29:23,253 --> 00:29:23,653 Speaker 2: to come home? 578 00:29:23,733 --> 00:29:24,493 Speaker 5: Can you afford him? 579 00:29:24,613 --> 00:29:25,293 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well that's it. 580 00:29:26,333 --> 00:29:29,893 Speaker 3: There's not really any standouts, especially if you look for 581 00:29:29,973 --> 00:29:34,533 Speaker 3: a specialist women's coach that has been coaching a women's environments. 582 00:29:34,533 --> 00:29:37,013 Speaker 3: You know, Willie Walker has done it with the Blues 583 00:29:37,013 --> 00:29:40,173 Speaker 3: women's side, Crystal Carl has left and gone overseas. From 584 00:29:40,213 --> 00:29:44,893 Speaker 3: the Chiefs, Whitney Hansen maybe potentially an option who's been 585 00:29:44,893 --> 00:29:49,573 Speaker 3: around Mutha Tu Blair Baxter coach Canterbury and Matter two 586 00:29:49,613 --> 00:29:51,853 Speaker 3: in their first Sea So it's not like there are 587 00:29:51,933 --> 00:29:54,093 Speaker 3: huge options from a New Zealand perspective standing up. But 588 00:29:54,133 --> 00:29:57,853 Speaker 3: whether there's anyone overseas you Canada's he coached all right, 589 00:29:58,733 --> 00:30:00,213 Speaker 3: you look to He's going to be fascinating for New 590 00:30:00,253 --> 00:30:03,533 Speaker 3: Zealand rugby. But I think this tournament has created a 591 00:30:03,613 --> 00:30:09,133 Speaker 3: lot of questions and it's been a successful tournament overall. 592 00:30:09,253 --> 00:30:12,853 Speaker 3: Full world rugby and the Women's World Cup, but I 593 00:30:12,973 --> 00:30:16,093 Speaker 3: feel this is the only market it could have been 594 00:30:16,173 --> 00:30:20,013 Speaker 3: successful in. New Zealand obviously embraced it in twenty twenty 595 00:30:20,093 --> 00:30:23,653 Speaker 3: two after that delay, but it's only in three stadiums 596 00:30:23,693 --> 00:30:26,493 Speaker 3: in the northern part of the country. As I've touched 597 00:30:26,533 --> 00:30:28,893 Speaker 3: on women's rugbies on the upwards traductory in the UK. 598 00:30:29,933 --> 00:30:32,373 Speaker 3: In Australia in four years time, will it be embraced 599 00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:32,973 Speaker 3: the same way? 600 00:30:33,293 --> 00:30:33,653 Speaker 2: Don't know. 601 00:30:34,173 --> 00:30:38,293 Speaker 4: Yeah, not sure that they got behind the woman's Football 602 00:30:38,293 --> 00:30:41,893 Speaker 4: World Cup in a big way, but football certainly has 603 00:30:41,933 --> 00:30:47,213 Speaker 4: a much bigger profile in Australia and it helps massively 604 00:30:47,293 --> 00:30:50,653 Speaker 4: when your national team is competitive, is going to progress, 605 00:30:51,293 --> 00:30:56,053 Speaker 4: has a profile and you could argue Rugby Australia's. 606 00:30:57,373 --> 00:31:00,893 Speaker 5: Investments or priority in their women's. 607 00:31:00,613 --> 00:31:04,253 Speaker 4: Games actually lagged in recent years rather than pumping them up. 608 00:31:04,413 --> 00:31:07,453 Speaker 4: So yeah, big test for the women's game and where 609 00:31:07,493 --> 00:31:09,613 Speaker 4: it stands to take outside of that market where it 610 00:31:09,733 --> 00:31:11,613 Speaker 4: is really really really well supported. 611 00:31:11,973 --> 00:31:14,813 Speaker 3: Indeed, right, that'll do us for rugby director thanks to 612 00:31:14,933 --> 00:31:17,893 Speaker 3: access solutions are taking you and your business to a 613 00:31:18,093 --> 00:31:20,973 Speaker 3: higher level. We will be back later in the week. 614 00:31:21,253 --> 00:31:23,733 Speaker 3: Eliam myself will be in Perth counting down to the 615 00:31:24,293 --> 00:31:28,733 Speaker 3: second leathers low cup test, looking forward to that and 616 00:31:29,013 --> 00:31:32,493 Speaker 3: maybe a schooner or so and seeing a couple of quakers. 617 00:31:32,613 --> 00:31:35,773 Speaker 5: Rude, not too absolutely. What's the Australian fish but a 618 00:31:35,853 --> 00:31:37,253 Speaker 5: barrow or something baron? 619 00:31:37,293 --> 00:31:39,453 Speaker 2: I don't know what though, Yeah, yeah, what's the Western 620 00:31:39,573 --> 00:31:41,173 Speaker 2: Australian beer of choice? 621 00:31:41,893 --> 00:31:44,733 Speaker 3: Don't know, We'll find out, We'll report back. Thanks as 622 00:31:44,733 --> 00:31:47,133 Speaker 3: always NPE, so thanks to last and Bars English. We 623 00:31:47,173 --> 00:31:48,933 Speaker 3: will see you next time on Rugby Directs. 624 00:31:53,093 --> 00:31:55,653 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks ed B listen live on 625 00:31:55,813 --> 00:31:58,733 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 626 00:31:58,813 --> 00:32:01,373 Speaker 1: you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio