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Speaker 1: Follow this and our Wide Ranger podcasts now on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, are you great New Zealanders? And welcome to Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Afternoon's Full Show podcast number fifty eight.

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Speaker 3: Nice. You said you were going to do the homework

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Speaker 3: and you came through. You were counting fastidiously this morning,

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Speaker 3: one by one.

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Speaker 2: Yep, number fifty eight. Did you say the number fifty eight?

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Speaker 2: That's show tattoos. We've had show tattoos. God, we've just

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Speaker 2: been talking about tattoos. It's a spoiler for the end

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Speaker 2: of the show and another spoiler in the show when

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Speaker 2: we talk about tattoos. For some reason, it went downstairs immediately.

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Speaker 2: There was three genital tattoos and one hundreds of texts

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Speaker 2: for people that have had poll ups tattooed during colonoscopiece. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and what it wasn't where we thought the conversation was

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Speaker 2: going to go. No, yeah, but anyway, it was my

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Speaker 2: job to count up to fifty eight from now on.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to be the podcast counter? The official counter?

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Speaker 2: Can you remember that it's fifty night and tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I'm just writing down fifty nine right now. And I

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Speaker 3: suppose I've taken all that job. I can't get out of.

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Speaker 2: That because that means a lot. Because the fact that

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Speaker 2: we've done fifty eight Tattoos Got Tattoos podcasts.

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Speaker 3: That's coming up and about well it's very soon, Eiache

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Speaker 3: and you've got to love that too.

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Speaker 2: Just dropped the back of an hour of talking about tatoos.

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Speaker 2: So fifty eight that's a lot, a lot. When we

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Speaker 2: started the show, you know, I remember the night before,

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, boy boy, I've got to start doing

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Speaker 2: Talkbauck Radio tomorrow. And now I've done fifty eight full shows.

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Speaker 3: It was like kind of yused to.

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Speaker 2: So it's exciting to be counting them down because at

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Speaker 2: some point in the not too distant future, we'll be

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Speaker 2: doing one hundred shows and we'll do some kind of

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Speaker 2: one hundred show celebration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got to do something special for that one.

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Speaker 2: Because my last job on Breakfast and Radio HURARKI I

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Speaker 2: didn't even notice when I've done ten years, like the

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Speaker 3: Past goes there.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't until I was asked to come up here

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Speaker 2: other show, and it was eleven years and I was like, God,

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Speaker 2: damn it, we missed the ten year celebration. So on

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Speaker 2: the Matt and Tyler Afternoons, we're not going to miss

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Speaker 2: these these key moments like the one hundredth show and such.

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Speaker 3: And just quickly we're going to come up with a

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Speaker 3: pun of slash reward for the way, and we talked

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Speaker 3: about that. We still haven't figured that out. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'll keep track of the number of podcasts and we'll

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Speaker 3: figure out our reward and punishment system.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but great show today, Sit to down load and

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Speaker 2: follow and such, and I hope you enjoy Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoon's number fifty eight. Good taste, KIWI.

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Speaker 4: Talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoon with the Volvo

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Speaker 1: X ninety US talks.

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Speaker 3: Be good afternoon to you Thursday, Welcome into the show.

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Speaker 3: Seven past one.

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Speaker 2: About that Dame Lisa Carrington, Oh, incredible amount of amount

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Speaker 3: You just she's just an absolute beast. And I say

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Speaker 3: that with obviously a lot of love.

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Speaker 2: She must love it. Yeah, well yeah, I suppose. I mean,

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Speaker 2: can you love that kind of training? I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: basically that's such hard training. I wonder if you can

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Speaker 2: actually I guess you can enjoy it after it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just couldn't comp How many hours do you

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Speaker 3: the Olympics we talk the what like thirty hours of training?

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Speaker 2: Oh I don't know. Yeah, I've got no idea.

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Speaker 3: We get her on the show actually, yeah, we had her.

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Speaker 2: On the show last year and she didn't give us

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Speaker 3: But yeah, very humble person, but an absolute legend and

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Speaker 2: She's such a great New Zealander. Yeah, goat in the

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Speaker 2: boat love Dame Lisa Carrington. Big show today after three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be talking about tattoos. Yeah, that's right

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Speaker 2: about twenty years of tattoos in New Zealand at two

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Speaker 2: Hands Tattoo. How have tattoo stigmas changed in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago two thousand and five. A lot of

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Speaker 3: Well, that was one of his claims. The Stefan Spider

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Speaker 3: But sleeves were a big one. It wasn't too long

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Speaker 3: which is just not the case anymore. Quite trendy.

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Speaker 2: Now, well, I've got a mate who's a very successful

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think it's the tab Well could be

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Speaker 2: wrong because I was asking you before, as mytylo was saying,

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Speaker 2: And you said nahah. But would you not hire someone

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Speaker 2: seeing a neck tato was quite you know, it was

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Speaker 3: That's a great question, actually, because even now, if I

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Speaker 3: But that's going to be the chat after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: After two o'clock, when to call time on a toxic

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Speaker 3: sibling relationship? Great story in the Herald about times where

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Speaker 3: than that wrecked the relationship between siblings, and it certainly

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just can't see what my sisters could do

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Speaker 3: But if you've had a falling out with your sibling,

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Speaker 3: love to hear from you after two o'clock, because right

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Speaker 3: of the doomsday clock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. The doomsday clock, which symbolizes how close

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Speaker 2: So, but am I just being a Am I too positive?

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Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoon. Seventeen past one. Do we live

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Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number on four. Craig.

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Speaker 3: Greig, thank you very much for giving us a buzz mate.

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Speaker 3: All right, have a good afternoon. O eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: Putting a tough question to the newsmakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 10: The fossil fuel industry is increasingly worried about the attitude

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Speaker 10: of banks towards their industry resources Ministers. Of course Shane Jones,

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Speaker 10: as well as the banking sector has already got problems

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Speaker 10: with your government around margins and the commerce commissions that

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Speaker 11: Who bought this garbage to the table.

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Speaker 9: The banks themselves are writing letters threatening to dbank god

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Speaker 9: fearing regional businesses. They are not breaking any commercial financial

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Speaker 9: statutory law. What they are doing is offending the luxury

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Speaker 9: beliefs of these directors and executives, spouting about climate change

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Speaker 4: I've got every right to take them.

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Speaker 2: Off back tomorrow at six.

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Speaker 3: After Noon, Glenn, do you think the world is more

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Speaker 12: Different things may be worried us, but I think things

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Speaker 12: that you know, your children look to you as to

437
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Speaker 12: how you reacted to things. For instance, if their child

438
00:20:29,773 --> 00:20:34,053
Speaker 12: falls over and they skin their legs their knees, they'll

439
00:20:34,093 --> 00:20:36,853
Speaker 12: look to you. And if you start laughing, they're more

440
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Speaker 12: like letters sort of think, oh, well, that wasn't so bad.

441
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Speaker 12: But if you say, oh, darling, and they'll start to cry.

442
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Speaker 12: And I remember, I just think we've become a little

443
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Speaker 12: bit too protective. And believe me, I'm a big softy.

444
00:20:49,773 --> 00:20:52,013
Speaker 12: I'm not hard at all. But I just think it's

445
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Speaker 12: not preparing children for life the way we react to things. Now,

446
00:20:58,373 --> 00:21:01,973
Speaker 12: a while ago, there was an earthquake and it was

447
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Speaker 12: pretty near one of the local primary schools, and apparently

448
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Speaker 12: they sent two counselors to this primary school. It's sort

449
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Speaker 12: of country school, and for these primary school children who

450
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Speaker 12: were aged five to nine. Now, when I went to school.

451
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Speaker 12: I remember there was an earthquake. I know it's many

452
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Speaker 12: years ago, but there was an earthquake and we all

453
00:21:26,373 --> 00:21:29,293
Speaker 12: just thought this, you know, things moving around was quite fun.

454
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Speaker 12: I mean, we were taught what to do, but we

455
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Speaker 12: certainly weren't told lock down. And it's all right to

456
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Speaker 12: feel afraid. You know, this is normal. This is scary stuff.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 12: Children are resilient. And another incident was at intermediate school

459
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Speaker 12: when I mean tragic, but one of the students who

460
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Speaker 12: biked home in his lunch I was hit by a

461
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Speaker 12: train and killed. And we had a meeting and assembly

462
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Speaker 12: at lunch time and we were told about this, and

463
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Speaker 12: yes it was tragic, but children of that age they

464
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Speaker 12: react differently unless they're told that it's a dreadful dreadfulness.

465
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Speaker 12: We just went out and can you playing in the playground.

466
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Speaker 12: I'm not undermining the fact the child died at all,

467
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Speaker 12: but I just think we, you know, let them be children,

468
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Speaker 12: and don't it all seems so dire. I just think, yeah,

469
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Speaker 12: I really do think children learn from I think this

470
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Speaker 12: counseling stuff has got out of hand. I truly do.

471
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Speaker 12: It's part of growing up and your brain are just

472
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Speaker 12: as you develop and maturity to deal with things in

473
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Speaker 12: an appropriate way. But children shouldn't have to be talking

474
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Speaker 12: to counselors. That's my opinion anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting one with it. If you're if you're

476
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Speaker 2: a very if you're a parent that worries a lot

477
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Speaker 2: and is anxious about a lot of stuff, you are

478
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Speaker 2: likely to hand hand that over to your kids.

479
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Speaker 12: You will, and children will pick it up.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember my parents ever seem to worry about anything,

481
00:23:04,893 --> 00:23:07,693
Speaker 2: but I'm sure in other rooms they were worrying about me,

482
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Speaker 2: you know, but they never seemed to really hand there

483
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Speaker 2: onto me the worry that they had.

484
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Speaker 3: But yeah, did you ever sit down and watch the

485
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Speaker 3: news with your parents?

486
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Speaker 2: I used to always watch the news with my parents, and.

487
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Speaker 3: There was no comments there about the state of the world.

488
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Speaker 3: I just, you know, I'm looking back now.

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Speaker 2: I remember one where a jet was shot down. I

490
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Speaker 2: can't remember the exact news stories in the eighties, and

491
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Speaker 2: it was some kind of altercation between the Americans. And

492
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Speaker 2: I turned to my dad and I said, does that

493
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Speaker 2: mean there's going to be a nuclear war? And he goes,

494
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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: That's reassuring.

496
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Speaker 2: That was reasonably reassuring, But to be honest, I was

497
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Speaker 2: terrified of nuclear war right through my childhood because we

498
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Speaker 2: heard about it.

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Speaker 12: Okay, when you see how much different age group was

500
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Speaker 12: together that I'm actually in my seventies and so my

501
00:23:54,693 --> 00:23:58,253
Speaker 12: dad was a prisoner of war from the Second World War.

502
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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 12: And I think because of my dad's resilience, he had

504
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Speaker 12: a pretty tough time. But I think he taught me

505
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Speaker 12: one of the things that Funny enough, my mother said

506
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Speaker 12: to me when I said, how did dad survive what

507
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Speaker 12: they had to go through? And he's still you know,

508
00:24:15,173 --> 00:24:17,253
Speaker 12: he's got a sense of humor and he's son to

509
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Speaker 12: be with, And she said, because he didn't project forward.

510
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Speaker 12: He didn't use the imagination to think, you know, all

511
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Speaker 12: this could have happened, or that could happen. He just

512
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Speaker 12: got through each day. And I think that's a very

513
00:24:30,813 --> 00:24:34,493
Speaker 12: good lesson. You know, you could drive yourself crazy thinking

514
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Speaker 12: about the world today and the possibilities.

515
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Speaker 2: And they may not come true. You can worry about

516
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Speaker 2: it a whole lot of things that might may or

517
00:24:41,333 --> 00:24:43,333
Speaker 2: may not happen, and then you've wasted your time worrying

518
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Speaker 2: about something that may not happen. I've spent my whole

519
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Speaker 2: life worrying about nuclear war and it hasn't happened yet.

520
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Speaker 2: Might but I've wasted a lot of ours. I haven't

521
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Speaker 2: done anything to stop it.

522
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Speaker 12: Actually, that was one of the best lessons I learned

523
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Speaker 12: from a Dale Carnegie course that I did in my

524
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Speaker 12: twenties called how to Stop Wearing and Start Living. And

525
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Speaker 12: they suggested that you're write down a list of ten

526
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Speaker 12: things that are currently worrying you, and then in ten

527
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Speaker 12: years or maybe five, take that list down and see

528
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Speaker 12: how many of them have come to fruish.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a brilliant Yeah, brilliant exercise.

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Speaker 12: One of them may have done.

532
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Gleen, I can mention with with parents that have

533
00:25:21,573 --> 00:25:24,613
Speaker 2: been through a war, they would lock at peacetime, and

534
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Speaker 2: you know that the perspective you, the perspective you would

535
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Speaker 2: have had you would have after being in war, would

536
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Speaker 2: be quite something compared to what people worry about now.

537
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, thank you so much, very fortunate.

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Speaker 3: Yeahk Oh, one hundred and eighty, ten eighty is the

539
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Speaker 3: number to call. We'll take some more fune calls very shortly.

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Speaker 3: Is the end. Nine headlines with railing coming up?

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Speaker 13: You talk'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no

542
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Speaker 13: trouble with the Blue Bubble. Blood Service donor rules will

543
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Speaker 13: be changing next year, putting all donors under the same

544
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Speaker 13: regime and removing the three months stand down after six

545
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Speaker 13: for gay men. The Green say the Prime Minister US

546
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Speaker 13: clamped down on racist behavior from Cabinet ministers after comments

547
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Speaker 13: about immigrants by New Zealand firsts Winston Peters and Shane Jones.

548
00:26:17,173 --> 00:26:20,653
Speaker 13: Adanieda and Tine attacked with a hammer, is recovering from

549
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Speaker 13: emergency surgery after a road rage brawl. A teen's appeared

550
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Speaker 13: in the Youth Court charged with wounding with intent to

551
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Speaker 13: cause grievous bodily harm. A second has been bailed on

552
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Speaker 13: an assault charge. State Highway fifteen now Mangutarpare and all

553
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Speaker 13: Taika near Fargarde is reopening around two this afternoon following

554
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Speaker 13: an overnight police examination into the unexplained death of a motorcyclist.

555
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Speaker 13: Yesterday morning, a man's body was found in a creek

556
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Speaker 13: close to the highway. Police say his motorbike was found

557
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Speaker 13: on the side of the road. Deep Sekiai Deep seek

558
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Speaker 13: Ai answers controversial questions and then retracts its responses.

559
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Speaker 2: You can see more at Insid Herald. Premium.

560
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Speaker 13: Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we ask a question,

562
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Speaker 3: do you think the world is more dangerous now than

563
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Speaker 3: it's ever been on the back of the doomsday clock?

564
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know we could question the doomsday clock the

565
00:27:17,493 --> 00:27:20,533
Speaker 2: bulletin of the Atomic Scientists measure saying that we've moved

566
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Speaker 2: to eighty seven eighty nine seconds to midnight. And look,

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Speaker 2: but we're not talking about them, because you know, they've

568
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Speaker 2: got their very political organization and they're making statements in

569
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Speaker 2: whatever way. But it just sort of raises the question,

570
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Speaker 2: is this a terrifying time to live? Are we as

571
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Speaker 2: the N nine or as I feel it's actually quite

572
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Speaker 2: a good time to be alive.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

574
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Speaker 3: number to call. Get a bob, Hi, guys.

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Speaker 14: Yeah. My thoughts are that I'm almost eighty two years old,

576
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Speaker 14: and I've seen an awful lot of all this talk

577
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Speaker 14: and talk and talk and talk about what's going to happen.

578
00:28:03,173 --> 00:28:07,733
Speaker 14: Nobody knows what's going to happen. I spent most of

579
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Speaker 14: my life traveling around the world. I developed drilling tools

580
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Speaker 14: for the oil and gas drilling industry, and it was

581
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Speaker 14: up to me to market them and do live business.

582
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Speaker 14: And everybody's expecting everything to be wonderful. When the fun

583
00:28:28,013 --> 00:28:32,093
Speaker 14: comes up in the morning, that is the first day

584
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Speaker 14: of the rest of your life. Get up and enjoy

585
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Speaker 14: it and deal with the world as it comes to you.

586
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Speaker 3: It's nicely said, Bob. Did you always feel that way?

587
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Speaker 3: You mentioned you're eighty two. I take it you know

588
00:28:45,693 --> 00:28:48,813
Speaker 3: you had to go through a good chunk of your life,

589
00:28:48,933 --> 00:28:51,053
Speaker 3: probably pretty anxious about the state of the world before

590
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Speaker 3: you came to that philosophy.

591
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Speaker 14: Never felt anxious, so I was always full of ambition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there was a thing about that in

593
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Speaker 2: terms of just taking a moment, because you can lie

594
00:29:04,373 --> 00:29:07,773
Speaker 2: around worrying about everything, and people sometimes confuse worry with

595
00:29:07,853 --> 00:29:10,333
Speaker 2: actually doing something, because if you're worrying and you can

596
00:29:10,373 --> 00:29:15,253
Speaker 2: imagine every possible terrible scenario, but that isn't actually doing anything.

597
00:29:15,653 --> 00:29:18,253
Speaker 2: That's just spinning your mental wheels on a spot.

598
00:29:19,773 --> 00:29:21,773
Speaker 14: Think about that you're not going to be able to

599
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Speaker 14: change it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you definitely shouldn't worry about things

601
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Speaker 2: you can't change. If you're spending any time about something

602
00:29:27,933 --> 00:29:31,053
Speaker 2: that you aren't going to be able to influence. Then

603
00:29:31,173 --> 00:29:33,333
Speaker 2: then that is that is wasted time, isn't it. You know,

604
00:29:33,373 --> 00:29:36,653
Speaker 2: it's the serenity prayer, isn't it?

605
00:29:37,933 --> 00:29:44,133
Speaker 3: What you can't do anything, Give me the courage to

606
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Speaker 3: accept the things I cannot change. Something along those lines.

607
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Speaker 2: Yeah, God, grant me the serenity to accept the things

608
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Speaker 2: I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can,

609
00:29:52,973 --> 00:29:54,173
Speaker 2: and the wisdom to know the difference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good line. But like you know, the

611
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Speaker 3: war in Ukraine for example, and when that first started,

612
00:29:58,773 --> 00:30:00,693
Speaker 3: I got a little bit anxious about what's going to happen,

613
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Speaker 3: But then very i think hopefully very quickly realized there

614
00:30:03,933 --> 00:30:06,453
Speaker 3: is nothing I can do about that. There is absolutely

615
00:30:07,013 --> 00:30:10,733
Speaker 3: I'm not going to change the political landscape of the world.

616
00:30:10,973 --> 00:30:13,253
Speaker 3: So you've just got to get that out of your head.

617
00:30:13,333 --> 00:30:15,853
Speaker 3: That years it might not be a good situation. And

618
00:30:15,933 --> 00:30:17,613
Speaker 3: you feel for some of the people in Ukraine and

619
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Speaker 3: that situation, but you cannot do anything about it.

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Speaker 14: Well, think about like the kids in in Gaza. You

621
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Speaker 14: think the kids are suffering, ye, or.

622
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Speaker 2: You know, any time in the past, you know, like

623
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Speaker 2: people look back and say, you know, what was it?

624
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Speaker 2: You know, some dream time in the nineteen fifties depends

625
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Speaker 2: where you are, really and there were there were a

626
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Speaker 2: lot of problems there, a lot of things you had

627
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Speaker 2: to face back then. And of course people always bring

628
00:30:46,333 --> 00:30:48,933
Speaker 2: up five point thirty six, which is widely considered the

629
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Speaker 2: worst year in all human history, where in a slandic

630
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Speaker 2: volcano covered most of Europe and Asia and darkness for

631
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Speaker 2: a year and all the crops failed. And that was

632
00:30:58,733 --> 00:31:01,493
Speaker 2: after three hundred years since the Roman emperor had gone down.

633
00:31:01,773 --> 00:31:03,493
Speaker 2: Empire had gone down about two hundred year, so there's

634
00:31:03,493 --> 00:31:06,453
Speaker 2: anarchy right through that area as well. Then your crops fail,

635
00:31:06,773 --> 00:31:08,933
Speaker 2: and then on the back of that, because of the

636
00:31:09,013 --> 00:31:11,013
Speaker 2: disease caused by that, the black plague comes in.

637
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Speaker 3: Well, they are some real problems. They are real problems.

638
00:31:13,693 --> 00:31:16,453
Speaker 2: I'd rather have now than then, much rather be around

639
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Speaker 2: now than five point thirty six.

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Speaker 3: We've got timu how good. One hundred and eighty ten

641
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Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. It's eighteen to two

642
00:31:23,453 --> 00:31:25,693
Speaker 3: back very shortly, the.

643
00:31:25,813 --> 00:31:28,333
Speaker 4: Issues that affect you, and a bit of fun along

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Speaker 4: the way.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo X eighty innovation,

646
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Speaker 1: style and design, have it all youth talks said.

647
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Speaker 3: Be We've asked question, do you think the world is

648
00:31:38,853 --> 00:31:40,893
Speaker 3: more dangerous now than it's ever been? This is on

649
00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:45,093
Speaker 3: the back of the doomsday clock moving one second closer

650
00:31:45,293 --> 00:31:49,133
Speaker 3: to midnight, But it's more just in general, whether you

651
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Speaker 3: feel that today is more dangerous than ever And Matt,

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Speaker 3: you certainly are very happy to be alive in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't worry for my kids starving to death.

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Speaker 2: And famine used to be a thing that would hit,

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Speaker 2: you know, at least major famine would hit at least

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Speaker 2: every twenty years across most of the history of humanity.

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Speaker 2: But now we have a bigger problem with obesity than

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Speaker 2: we do with starvation exactly.

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Speaker 3: Peter, how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, I.

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Speaker 15: Really, I really think we do need to be a

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Speaker 15: bit worried because I mean, it's like when the Japan

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Speaker 15: when they made Corollas and Toyotas and Rara motorcycles and

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Speaker 15: we thought they were all junk. We don't think that

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Speaker 15: today because they're erasing those motorcycles that we're all driving,

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Speaker 15: Toyotas and even those cars they are getting made in China. Now, China,

668
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Speaker 15: China is a very very major concern now because what's

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Speaker 15: coming out of Australia.

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Speaker 6: Is coal, iron ore and it's all going to China.

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Speaker 15: And China is just making production of everything because they

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Speaker 15: are just burning coal and making electricity to build what

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Speaker 15: they want. They have just put in the water.

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Speaker 6: They have just put it in the water.

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Speaker 15: The fourth aircraft carrier. They have developed a new fighter aircraft.

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Speaker 15: And when that fourth aircraft carrier came out of the drydock,

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Speaker 15: they started building their fifth one. Now Donald Trump knows

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Speaker 15: all this because in America, if you're a CEO and

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Speaker 15: you want to keep on hanging on to you hundreds

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Speaker 15: of thousands, and they don't do that in China, then.

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Speaker 6: You take all your business.

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Speaker 15: You take all your business to China because I'll make

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Speaker 15: what you need, and that CEO he'll keep hold of

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Speaker 15: his salary. I mean, mate, it's and that's why I say.

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Speaker 15: And even Donald Trump, he's worried about China. He's worried

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Speaker 15: about trying a big time because they have got the

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Speaker 15: biggest military in the world. They've got more aircraft and

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Speaker 15: strategic fighting, so then they can really be in the battle.

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Speaker 15: And the thing is that everybody wants to have a

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00:34:14,133 --> 00:34:17,413
Speaker 15: look when you go and buy anything made in China,

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Speaker 15: made in China, a belt or anything, and it might say,

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00:34:22,573 --> 00:34:25,373
Speaker 15: you know, this is what it is, but you'll find

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Speaker 15: that there's a little tag down the bottom, made in China.

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Speaker 2: So, Peter, do you are you worried about China economically primarily?

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Speaker 2: And of course New Zealand incredibly dependent on China because

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Speaker 2: they're our biggest trading partner. But are you also worried

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Speaker 2: about China and New Zealand militarily?

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Speaker 6: Well, look put it this way. Put it this way.

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Speaker 15: China has got submarines, They have got heaps of military stuff.

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Speaker 6: If they submerged in the middle of Auckland.

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Speaker 15: And they sent down and they have already said they

702
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Speaker 15: want Thailand back, They've.

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Speaker 6: Already said that.

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Speaker 15: And I mean it's like Australia, like Albow has turned around.

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Speaker 15: He said, we'll give you guys over here in Indonesia,

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00:35:18,133 --> 00:35:22,213
Speaker 15: will give you six hundred million dollars to set up

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Speaker 15: an NRL team over here. Well, that's political. It's got

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Speaker 15: nothing to do. It has got nothing at all to

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00:35:30,893 --> 00:35:34,533
Speaker 15: do because Australian government's worried about it. They know we

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Speaker 15: have any New Zealand. If you think in New Zealand,

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Speaker 15: if you think in New Zealand. But China turns up

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Speaker 15: on the shore of New Zealand, you think that America

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Speaker 15: is going to come over and help you.

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Speaker 3: No, they're not, Peter. You're calling from Queensland and you

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Speaker 3: think a part of your huge concern over China and

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Speaker 3: we've got to think about that and be part of

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Speaker 3: the discussion, no doubt about that. But the fact that

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Speaker 3: you are in Australia and the information you get from

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Speaker 3: your media and the government heightens your fear in terms

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Speaker 3: of what the real situation is because clearly Australia has

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Speaker 3: had its add its barneys, small barneys with China in

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Speaker 3: the last couple of years.

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Speaker 6: We'll put it this way.

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Speaker 15: You know, Australia's got nothing to put on the table,

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00:36:21,253 --> 00:36:27,013
Speaker 15: but China has because it's like they've gone away and it's.

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00:36:26,933 --> 00:36:28,732
Speaker 6: Like, you know, have you ever heard of that old

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00:36:28,893 --> 00:36:33,293
Speaker 6: saying that the horse has bolted? And I mean everybody

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Speaker 6: you know, I mean.

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Speaker 15: They're the largest, they're the largest in the world now

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Speaker 15: of car manufacturers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're saying that just before Peter. But do

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Speaker 2: you think so We've got this text here that's come

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Speaker 2: through Peter on nineteen nine two. Worry is a misuse

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Speaker 2: of the imagination. So on a philosophical level, so you're

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Speaker 2: quite worried about about China, is there anything that you

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Speaker 2: can personally do about that? Or is that outside your

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Speaker 2: remit Because there's an argument that if we if we

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00:37:02,933 --> 00:37:06,692
Speaker 2: don't have so much time on this planet, so if

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00:37:06,773 --> 00:37:10,253
Speaker 2: we can't change the outcome of something personally, then we're

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Speaker 2: kind of spinning our wheels and making our life less

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Speaker 2: enjoyable and less fruitful by worrying about things outside our control.

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Speaker 15: If you know what I mean, Well, if you keep

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Speaker 15: on kicking the guts out of China, they're going to

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00:37:24,373 --> 00:37:27,773
Speaker 15: get pissed off and they're not going to play around

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Speaker 15: because they have got like I said here there before,

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Speaker 15: if they turn up on the doorstep there of New Zealand,

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Speaker 15: what's New Zealand got the fight?

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Speaker 2: But Peter is what can you do about it? Personally?

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Speaker 2: So I think there's two things. Is worry an action, right,

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Speaker 2: So if you can influence the outcome of what you're

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00:37:47,693 --> 00:37:50,053
Speaker 2: worried about, then that's one thing. But if you can't,

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00:37:50,733 --> 00:37:54,253
Speaker 2: if you spending your time worrying about something that you

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00:37:54,453 --> 00:37:57,573
Speaker 2: have no influence over it, all, that can make for

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00:37:57,973 --> 00:38:02,853
Speaker 2: a pretty a pretty uncomfortable. Well, the Buddhist will say,

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Speaker 2: a life of suffering.

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Speaker 6: We'll put it this way, right, put it this way.

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Speaker 15: China is bringing out right a bike that is a

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Speaker 15: six seven five triple. Now it's a copy of the Triumph, right. Okay,

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Speaker 15: Everything that China has bought out so far has been brilliant.

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00:38:21,653 --> 00:38:25,613
Speaker 15: I do that motorcycles, I get rings, I get pistons,

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Speaker 15: I get bearings, I get everything out of China, and

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Speaker 15: it is we're buggarall compared to if I go down

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Speaker 15: the road to Karlasaki or Yamaha, and everything that they've

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Speaker 15: seen me fits and it's brilliant. There's nothing wrong with it.

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Speaker 15: And a lot of those places are like Karlosaki, Yamaha,

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Speaker 15: and all of them are all getting China to make

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Speaker 15: their stuff now because.

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Speaker 2: We're we're thank you, Peter. I think I think we

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Speaker 2: get that. I think we get that point there that yeah,

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Speaker 2: China is a very I mean, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your call. We've got to move forward, But yeah,

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Speaker 2: we get it. With China's obviously the manufacturing is going

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Speaker 2: at a great rate. But I guess I was trying

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Speaker 2: to make this more philosophical point that unless You're going

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Speaker 2: to do something about it because.

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Speaker 3: Peter's very worried about China. We can hear that Peter

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Speaker 3: absolutely worried about China. But I think to your point Matters,

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Speaker 3: can Peter change that maybe maybe not, probably to the

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00:39:21,413 --> 00:39:23,853
Speaker 3: maybe not. And if that's the case, Peter, it's going

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00:39:23,933 --> 00:39:25,533
Speaker 3: to be all right, mate, you know, just live your life.

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00:39:25,613 --> 00:39:26,933
Speaker 3: You're suffering a bit there, mate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're going a bit philosophical here.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 3: Five to two. Great discussion because text here on nine

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Speaker 3: two nine two dumb argument.

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Speaker 2: The Glipoli troops couldn't influence world affairs, but they live

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Speaker 2: the nightmare. I think that you're misunderstanding what I'm saying here.

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Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say here is that worry about

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Speaker 2: what you can actually influence. So the Glipoli troops, even

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Speaker 2: though I'm may not have helped them. Could worry about

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Speaker 2: their gear, they could worry about their training, They could

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Speaker 2: think about what was ahead of them, rather than probably

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Speaker 2: sitting worrying about the wider global or any of the

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Speaker 2: other things they quorry about. Wouldn't have helped so much. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all I'm saying is you can waste your whole life

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Speaker 2: worrying about a whole lot of stuff. And as Glenn

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Speaker 2: said to us when she rang up, she's like, you

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Speaker 2: don't even know if that stuff's going to come true. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so if you can influence it, maybe you can worry

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Speaker 2: about it, but probably don't even worry about it. Do

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Speaker 2: something about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a message, good message. Thank you very much

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Speaker 3: for all your texts and phone calls. Right after two

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Speaker 3: have you got into an argument with your sibling to

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Speaker 3: the point where you no longer speak to each other?

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Speaker 3: Have you fallen out with your brother or sister? Love

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Speaker 3: to hear from you on O eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty. That text number, if you prefer, is nine

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Speaker 3: to nine two New Sport and where they're coming up.

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Speaker 3: Great to have your company as always you're listening to

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Speaker 3: matt and Tyler. Good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 3: Sex Fast Too, Welcome back into the show. I'm great

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Speaker 3: to have your company.

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Speaker 2: As always, I felt like I did quite get my

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Speaker 2: philosophical angle across, judging by the texts that have been

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Speaker 2: coming through in the rate from the last hour when

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Speaker 2: I was talking about worry. Yeah, And what I was

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Speaker 2: trying to say is that worrying is just a spinning

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Speaker 2: of the mental wheels. It's not doing anything.

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Speaker 4: Much.

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Speaker 2: Planning is this human superpower that built civilization and these

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Speaker 2: amazing cities and amazing things that all human beings have done.

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Speaker 2: So on a very basic level, you can sit in

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Speaker 2: your house and worry that the water is going to

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00:42:00,213 --> 00:42:02,133
Speaker 2: start coming through the walls and the paint's peeling off,

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00:42:02,413 --> 00:42:03,773
Speaker 2: or you can make a plan to paint it and

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00:42:03,853 --> 00:42:06,213
Speaker 2: go and paint it. And unless you're going to actually

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00:42:06,373 --> 00:42:08,292
Speaker 2: make a plan and going painted, you're not doing anything.

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Speaker 2: You're just spinning your mental wheels. And so you've got

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Speaker 2: people that are worrying about what's going to happen with China?

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Speaker 2: Are you doing anything about it? Are you?

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Speaker 5: Or are you?

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Speaker 2: As Peter was still buying stuff for his parts whilst

843
00:42:20,813 --> 00:42:22,813
Speaker 2: worrying about China, there's a text here from someone I've

844
00:42:22,853 --> 00:42:25,093
Speaker 2: made the ethical decision to stop buying from countries that

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Speaker 2: aren't democracies. So on a very small level, they're doing something.

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Speaker 2: It might not make a huge difference, but they are.

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Speaker 2: Actually they've had to worry and they've taken an action.

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Speaker 2: And if you just have the worry and don't take

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Speaker 2: any action, then you're not actually doing anything. You're just

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Speaker 2: living in your imagination. You're just rolling things around in

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Speaker 2: your head.

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Speaker 3: And as much as Peter was a good fellow, you've

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Speaker 3: got to say that text is probably got less suffering

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Speaker 3: in their lives than Peter, because I've taken a little

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Speaker 3: bit of action.

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00:42:52,173 --> 00:42:55,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, and on a less global scale. I always think

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Speaker 2: of the quote from Seneca, the famous philosopher and Roman statesman,

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00:43:00,653 --> 00:43:03,253
Speaker 2: a Roman states and he said the only safe harbor

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Speaker 2: in life's tossing troubled seas to refuse to be bothered

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Speaker 2: about the future, what the future will bring, and to

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Speaker 2: stand ready and confident squaring the breast to take without

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Speaker 2: skulking or flinching whatever future hurls at us. And what's

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00:43:16,093 --> 00:43:18,493
Speaker 2: that saying is, if you've got the power to live

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Speaker 2: right now, and you're you're dealing with what's now, then

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Speaker 2: you'll probably be able to deal with what comes your way.

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Speaker 2: And the very least you can just.

867
00:43:25,893 --> 00:43:28,573
Speaker 3: Stand unflinching, squaring the.

868
00:43:28,693 --> 00:43:30,813
Speaker 2: Chest towards the future, saying bring it on.

869
00:43:31,573 --> 00:43:34,333
Speaker 3: And he would know. Wasn't it Narro that told Seneca, Hey,

870
00:43:34,453 --> 00:43:36,732
Speaker 3: I just want you to injure life, and Senega's that, Yeah,

871
00:43:36,773 --> 00:43:37,533
Speaker 3: I can't change it.

872
00:43:37,693 --> 00:43:40,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, narrow, narrow, Yeah, it's not going to He was

873
00:43:40,973 --> 00:43:43,653
Speaker 2: a bad guy. Narrow. Seneca did have to take his

874
00:43:43,813 --> 00:43:45,533
Speaker 2: life at the hands of Nero, but you know, he

875
00:43:45,573 --> 00:43:47,652
Speaker 2: didn't spend his life worrying about it, and he didn't

876
00:43:47,653 --> 00:43:48,853
Speaker 2: get angry because he couldn't change it.

877
00:43:48,973 --> 00:43:51,093
Speaker 3: Great man, Yeah, fantastic place to leave it.

878
00:43:51,253 --> 00:43:51,413
Speaker 15: Right.

879
00:43:51,893 --> 00:43:55,573
Speaker 3: Let's have a chat about sibling rivalry even a little

880
00:43:55,613 --> 00:43:58,013
Speaker 3: bit further than that. A great story in the Herald

881
00:43:58,133 --> 00:44:02,653
Speaker 3: When to call time on a toxic sibling relationship, and

882
00:44:02,773 --> 00:44:05,533
Speaker 3: it detailed a couple of personal stories about siblings who

883
00:44:05,773 --> 00:44:10,293
Speaker 3: had got into an argument or something significant, fairly significant,

884
00:44:10,293 --> 00:44:13,652
Speaker 3: and happened, and they'd stopped talking with each other, which

885
00:44:13,773 --> 00:44:15,893
Speaker 3: is to me a heck of a thing to do

886
00:44:16,133 --> 00:44:19,253
Speaker 3: to a sibling. I am trying to think of what

887
00:44:19,693 --> 00:44:22,173
Speaker 3: may need to happen between me and my brother to

888
00:44:22,293 --> 00:44:25,533
Speaker 3: stop talking for a big length of time.

889
00:44:25,613 --> 00:44:27,013
Speaker 2: So you've got an elder and a younger brother.

890
00:44:27,133 --> 00:44:27,293
Speaker 16: Yep.

891
00:44:27,373 --> 00:44:30,453
Speaker 3: So Dylan's the oldest and Luke's the youngest by some Marginie,

892
00:44:30,533 --> 00:44:32,813
Speaker 3: she the difference between me and Dylan is about three years.

893
00:44:33,333 --> 00:44:37,613
Speaker 3: Luke is seven years younger than me, and me and

894
00:44:37,813 --> 00:44:39,893
Speaker 3: Dylan actually, now that I said that that, I can't

895
00:44:39,973 --> 00:44:41,933
Speaker 3: think of what the bar would be me and Dylan.

896
00:44:41,973 --> 00:44:44,773
Speaker 3: It was about five years ago during Mum's wedding to

897
00:44:45,013 --> 00:44:48,933
Speaker 3: her new polder, younger, older, older, yet older, And I

898
00:44:49,013 --> 00:44:51,013
Speaker 3: guess that is that sibling rivalry that me and Dylan

899
00:44:51,053 --> 00:44:53,732
Speaker 3: grew up and I was always the youngest, so him

900
00:44:53,813 --> 00:44:56,373
Speaker 3: being the oldest, always thought he knew knew better. But

901
00:44:56,893 --> 00:44:58,693
Speaker 3: I can't even remember what happened. But we had some

902
00:44:59,053 --> 00:45:02,933
Speaker 3: form of argument after Mum's wedding, which was freaking lame

903
00:45:02,973 --> 00:45:04,973
Speaker 3: in the first place. It's Mum's weekend. You know, she's

904
00:45:04,973 --> 00:45:07,533
Speaker 3: getting married to her new love. We got into an

905
00:45:07,613 --> 00:45:09,413
Speaker 3: argument and then we stopped speaking to each other for

906
00:45:09,413 --> 00:45:10,212
Speaker 3: about three months.

907
00:45:10,413 --> 00:45:10,853
Speaker 2: Juvenile.

908
00:45:11,053 --> 00:45:13,013
Speaker 3: It was juvenile, and there we both got to the

909
00:45:13,053 --> 00:45:15,293
Speaker 3: point is I think we both kind of message each

910
00:45:15,333 --> 00:45:17,053
Speaker 3: other at the same time and saying, why are we

911
00:45:17,133 --> 00:45:19,213
Speaker 3: doing this? This is stupid. We can't even remember what

912
00:45:19,253 --> 00:45:22,212
Speaker 3: the argument was about. Yes, let's grow up a little

913
00:45:22,213 --> 00:45:24,172
Speaker 3: bit and put it to side. We're brothers for goodness sake.

914
00:45:24,333 --> 00:45:30,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean outside violence or you know, horrific crimes.

915
00:45:31,413 --> 00:45:33,893
Speaker 2: I think you've got to it's got to be pretty

916
00:45:34,573 --> 00:45:37,653
Speaker 2: freaking major to not stick with your siblings.

917
00:45:37,773 --> 00:45:38,013
Speaker 6: Yeah.

918
00:45:38,333 --> 00:45:41,333
Speaker 2: I think that family is so important, and there comes

919
00:45:41,413 --> 00:45:43,613
Speaker 2: a time in your life when when family can sometimes

920
00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:46,373
Speaker 2: be all you've got. So if you've burnt your family

921
00:45:46,653 --> 00:45:49,733
Speaker 2: a family member out on some small thing and you

922
00:45:49,853 --> 00:45:51,933
Speaker 2: might need them in the future and they might need you.

923
00:45:52,173 --> 00:45:55,093
Speaker 2: I mean this situation here that that's coming off. When

924
00:45:55,253 --> 00:45:58,253
Speaker 2: when it's time to call on a toxic sibling relationship.

925
00:45:58,253 --> 00:46:00,453
Speaker 2: Whenever I heard the word toxic about anything on my alarm,

926
00:46:00,533 --> 00:46:01,413
Speaker 2: bells go off.

927
00:46:03,773 --> 00:46:05,733
Speaker 3: Excuse me choking on my coffee? There, it is a

928
00:46:05,773 --> 00:46:09,173
Speaker 3: mess of buzzword, isn't it toxic? Overused beverages.

929
00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:12,093
Speaker 2: I did the sisily thing and let her move in

930
00:46:12,253 --> 00:46:14,333
Speaker 2: with us for a while after her marriage imploded, but

931
00:46:14,493 --> 00:46:17,053
Speaker 2: later found out she was bad mouthing me and my

932
00:46:17,173 --> 00:46:20,413
Speaker 2: husband to mutual friends. Standing up to her just resulted

933
00:46:20,493 --> 00:46:23,773
Speaker 2: and roused when I unfriended her on Facebook after one

934
00:46:23,853 --> 00:46:26,773
Speaker 2: too many sneery responses to my post. She often tried

935
00:46:26,813 --> 00:46:29,373
Speaker 2: to turn my adult children against me, I realized just

936
00:46:29,533 --> 00:46:31,853
Speaker 2: just couldn't trust her. Enough was enough. I cut off

937
00:46:32,173 --> 00:46:35,693
Speaker 2: full contact. So im, I don't know about that.

938
00:46:35,893 --> 00:46:36,652
Speaker 3: It's a heck of a thing.

939
00:46:36,693 --> 00:46:39,652
Speaker 2: But I've got three lovely sisters. Yeah, I can't even

940
00:46:39,693 --> 00:46:42,373
Speaker 2: see them really causing me too many problems?

941
00:46:43,053 --> 00:46:46,853
Speaker 3: Isn't it with siblings though? Is there's few people I

942
00:46:46,973 --> 00:46:50,093
Speaker 3: think that genuinely love confrontation, right is. Maybe there are

943
00:46:50,173 --> 00:46:52,293
Speaker 3: some people out there that love it, but I think

944
00:46:52,493 --> 00:46:56,053
Speaker 3: most people don't really like to be screaming and yelling

945
00:46:56,093 --> 00:46:57,893
Speaker 3: at somebody else. But when it comes to siblings, I

946
00:46:58,013 --> 00:47:00,933
Speaker 3: think surely there's more of a chance to be more

947
00:47:00,973 --> 00:47:04,333
Speaker 3: honest with your sibling. Right So, in that scenario, which

948
00:47:04,533 --> 00:47:07,413
Speaker 3: is a terrible way to behave to your brother or sister,

949
00:47:07,813 --> 00:47:10,013
Speaker 3: would it not be easier in that stance if you're

950
00:47:10,093 --> 00:47:12,213
Speaker 3: that person on the receiving end to say, what are

951
00:47:12,253 --> 00:47:14,133
Speaker 3: you doing? Pull your frickin head and we're going to

952
00:47:14,213 --> 00:47:15,653
Speaker 3: have a barnie about this and get to that and

953
00:47:15,773 --> 00:47:17,933
Speaker 3: sort it out once and for all, rather than just

954
00:47:18,013 --> 00:47:20,172
Speaker 3: cutting off contact and saying I'm done with you for good.

955
00:47:20,733 --> 00:47:20,933
Speaker 6: Yeah.

956
00:47:21,133 --> 00:47:24,093
Speaker 2: I think there is a part of sibling hood where

957
00:47:24,213 --> 00:47:29,853
Speaker 2: you're like kittens and dogs and little tigers fighting each

958
00:47:29,893 --> 00:47:31,853
Speaker 2: other to get your strength up for society. And I

959
00:47:31,893 --> 00:47:33,933
Speaker 2: think they have done some studies just to find that. So,

960
00:47:34,213 --> 00:47:35,813
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of that niggle you have when

961
00:47:35,813 --> 00:47:38,613
Speaker 2: your kids is all about getting yourself ready for social

962
00:47:39,013 --> 00:47:41,173
Speaker 2: and the politics of actually being an adult. So I

963
00:47:41,213 --> 00:47:42,613
Speaker 2: think you know, when you're in the back seat and

964
00:47:42,813 --> 00:47:44,853
Speaker 2: you know, punching your sister in the arm so she

965
00:47:45,333 --> 00:47:47,933
Speaker 2: screams and tells you off to your mum, I think

966
00:47:47,973 --> 00:47:50,613
Speaker 2: that's kind of natural. But as you go into adulthood,

967
00:47:51,013 --> 00:47:53,173
Speaker 2: I think you've got it. You've got to do everything

968
00:47:53,293 --> 00:47:55,613
Speaker 2: you can to keep the family together. But you know,

969
00:47:55,853 --> 00:47:58,133
Speaker 2: I haven't experienced None of my sisters have ever done

970
00:47:58,133 --> 00:48:00,172
Speaker 2: any I don't think any of my sisters. I've got

971
00:48:00,213 --> 00:48:03,573
Speaker 2: three wonderful sisters, Catherine and Luis and Imogen, I don't

972
00:48:03,573 --> 00:48:06,213
Speaker 2: think either of them have done anything bad to me,

973
00:48:07,413 --> 00:48:09,333
Speaker 2: or maybe or they might say that you're so zoned

974
00:48:09,333 --> 00:48:11,853
Speaker 2: out that you don't even notice. They might have been

975
00:48:11,893 --> 00:48:13,693
Speaker 2: trying to slight me the whole time. I wudn't say it.

976
00:48:13,813 --> 00:48:17,373
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep these people anonymous, but family members,

977
00:48:17,413 --> 00:48:19,013
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to say how close they are

978
00:48:19,133 --> 00:48:21,933
Speaker 3: to me. But two family members that haven't spoken to

979
00:48:22,013 --> 00:48:23,853
Speaker 3: each other in sometime, and I've got to say, I

980
00:48:23,893 --> 00:48:26,413
Speaker 3: look at that and think, why, why, why why? And

981
00:48:26,533 --> 00:48:29,573
Speaker 3: maybe it's sometime they will start to talk to each

982
00:48:29,573 --> 00:48:33,093
Speaker 3: other again. But yeah, no, to me, I just can't see,

983
00:48:33,733 --> 00:48:35,973
Speaker 3: particularly because I know what the argument was about. I

984
00:48:36,133 --> 00:48:39,053
Speaker 3: can't understand why they can't just get over themselves and

985
00:48:39,173 --> 00:48:41,893
Speaker 3: have a chat. But I know, judging by the text

986
00:48:41,973 --> 00:48:43,293
Speaker 3: machine that it is fairly common.

987
00:48:43,453 --> 00:48:46,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. So if you

988
00:48:46,173 --> 00:48:48,533
Speaker 2: want to tell a story about the problems that you've

989
00:48:48,573 --> 00:48:51,172
Speaker 2: had with your siblings when it was one step too far,

990
00:48:52,133 --> 00:48:54,692
Speaker 2: or how you finally got over that problem with your

991
00:48:54,693 --> 00:48:57,933
Speaker 2: sibling and patched it back together, one hundred and eighty

992
00:48:57,973 --> 00:49:00,613
Speaker 2: ten eighty or nine two nine two is the text number.

993
00:49:01,133 --> 00:49:03,493
Speaker 3: It is fourteen past two back very shortly.

994
00:49:04,773 --> 00:49:09,733
Speaker 1: Wow, your new home of afternoon talk in Taylor Afternoons

995
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996
00:49:13,973 --> 00:49:16,933
Speaker 4: Call Oh, eight hundred eighty eight news Talk said, be.

997
00:49:18,533 --> 00:49:21,333
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. We've asked a question, when is it time

998
00:49:22,133 --> 00:49:25,453
Speaker 3: to call an end to a toxic sibling relationship? On

999
00:49:25,493 --> 00:49:28,133
Speaker 3: the bank of an article in the heralds some great

1000
00:49:28,173 --> 00:49:30,093
Speaker 3: texts coming through on nine two ninety two.

1001
00:49:30,493 --> 00:49:32,252
Speaker 2: Na, I think you're off on this one, Matt. Family

1002
00:49:32,333 --> 00:49:33,733
Speaker 2: or not, no one has the right to make your

1003
00:49:33,773 --> 00:49:36,173
Speaker 2: life harder. It probably doesn't always have to result in

1004
00:49:36,293 --> 00:49:39,293
Speaker 2: cutting off of your contact. But you owe a family

1005
00:49:39,373 --> 00:49:42,373
Speaker 2: member your sanity. Yeah, I mean, do you owe your

1006
00:49:42,453 --> 00:49:46,293
Speaker 2: family more than you owe a friend, because I kind

1007
00:49:46,333 --> 00:49:48,893
Speaker 2: of think you do. I'd agree, I think you owe

1008
00:49:49,333 --> 00:49:52,893
Speaker 2: I feel like within reason and look this, I don't

1009
00:49:52,893 --> 00:49:54,533
Speaker 2: really want to go into the realm of the terrible

1010
00:49:54,573 --> 00:49:56,773
Speaker 2: things that can happen in families, because we know that

1011
00:49:57,053 --> 00:49:59,453
Speaker 2: absolute horrors can happen in families, So I'm not really

1012
00:49:59,573 --> 00:50:02,253
Speaker 2: talking about that type of stuff. But I think you do.

1013
00:50:02,613 --> 00:50:06,493
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, Oh, your mother and father a debt because

1014
00:50:06,533 --> 00:50:08,133
Speaker 2: they've brought you into the world and they've made sech

1015
00:50:08,173 --> 00:50:09,773
Speaker 2: f sister bring you up for us. You would just

1016
00:50:09,813 --> 00:50:12,533
Speaker 2: be on the street, you know they have. They must

1017
00:50:12,533 --> 00:50:13,893
Speaker 2: have shown you some kind of love to get where

1018
00:50:13,933 --> 00:50:16,133
Speaker 2: you are. Yeah, but I think you do owe more

1019
00:50:16,173 --> 00:50:19,732
Speaker 2: to your family than you're than just your friends. Yeah,

1020
00:50:19,813 --> 00:50:22,253
Speaker 2: that's what I believe. But but I might be naive

1021
00:50:22,253 --> 00:50:22,652
Speaker 2: as I say.

1022
00:50:22,733 --> 00:50:24,333
Speaker 3: Well, I've always said I don't think i'd ever give

1023
00:50:24,413 --> 00:50:27,653
Speaker 3: up on a family member. But I also granted that

1024
00:50:27,813 --> 00:50:30,973
Speaker 3: I haven't been in a situation where something, you know,

1025
00:50:31,133 --> 00:50:32,853
Speaker 3: kind of major it's happened where I've had to make

1026
00:50:32,893 --> 00:50:33,493
Speaker 3: that choice.

1027
00:50:33,813 --> 00:50:36,293
Speaker 2: My mother and brother went to their grave without talking

1028
00:50:36,333 --> 00:50:39,533
Speaker 2: to each other over sixty years, and my two sisters

1029
00:50:39,573 --> 00:50:43,213
Speaker 2: haven't spoken to each other for thirty years. Wow. So

1030
00:50:43,453 --> 00:50:47,373
Speaker 2: that Eleanor from Huntley, that that family is feuding hard.

1031
00:50:47,613 --> 00:50:49,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, I keep those seats coming through on nine two

1032
00:50:49,933 --> 00:50:52,693
Speaker 3: nine two, Johnny, you reckon, You've got a doozy of

1033
00:50:52,733 --> 00:50:53,493
Speaker 3: a sibling story.

1034
00:50:55,533 --> 00:50:56,692
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

1035
00:50:56,733 --> 00:51:00,693
Speaker 17: Basically, my family broke up when I was three in

1036
00:51:00,773 --> 00:51:04,333
Speaker 17: the mid seventies. And the difference between my brothers is

1037
00:51:04,413 --> 00:51:06,013
Speaker 17: they were born in the early sixties and I was

1038
00:51:06,093 --> 00:51:12,373
Speaker 17: born in the early seventies, and they didn't come back

1039
00:51:12,413 --> 00:51:16,573
Speaker 17: into my life until my mother got to dementia and

1040
00:51:17,373 --> 00:51:18,893
Speaker 17: it was to get money and.

1041
00:51:18,933 --> 00:51:24,133
Speaker 5: Take over a house. And then my father died and.

1042
00:51:26,573 --> 00:51:30,813
Speaker 17: It even became an issue to get him cremated, and

1043
00:51:31,453 --> 00:51:36,373
Speaker 17: the behavior of my siblings has even gone to the

1044
00:51:36,413 --> 00:51:41,493
Speaker 17: point of trying to have my children removed, and all

1045
00:51:41,533 --> 00:51:47,973
Speaker 17: of this to gain lots of money. The behavior, of course,

1046
00:51:49,493 --> 00:51:55,213
Speaker 17: resulted in and even bigger separations. So I thought that

1047
00:51:55,293 --> 00:51:59,933
Speaker 17: we were coming back together to help mum and to

1048
00:52:00,573 --> 00:52:02,613
Speaker 17: get her house sold and do it up and all

1049
00:52:02,653 --> 00:52:04,493
Speaker 17: that sort of stuff, but it just became a money

1050
00:52:04,533 --> 00:52:10,413
Speaker 17: grab and they're living off the respect of that. The

1051
00:52:10,533 --> 00:52:13,133
Speaker 17: relationship that I was waiting for all those years that

1052
00:52:13,253 --> 00:52:16,813
Speaker 17: I thought, you know, that would happen, never.

1053
00:52:16,773 --> 00:52:21,893
Speaker 5: Came, and they've made it clear that they don't want

1054
00:52:21,893 --> 00:52:24,213
Speaker 5: anything to do with me or my kids.

1055
00:52:25,453 --> 00:52:27,933
Speaker 17: And I had to realize that, you know, I'd been

1056
00:52:28,413 --> 00:52:30,613
Speaker 17: monts to a father and wanting brothers and knowing that

1057
00:52:30,613 --> 00:52:32,373
Speaker 17: I had of family all my life, and it had

1058
00:52:32,453 --> 00:52:33,133
Speaker 17: affected me.

1059
00:52:34,773 --> 00:52:39,693
Speaker 5: And as a human being. So for me, my siblings

1060
00:52:41,613 --> 00:52:42,253
Speaker 5: have really.

1061
00:52:44,893 --> 00:52:51,533
Speaker 17: Prodressed anything good other than the dream, and that's disappointment

1062
00:52:52,133 --> 00:52:57,533
Speaker 17: and my own unique experience. I have met other people

1063
00:52:58,573 --> 00:52:59,693
Speaker 17: or the similar story.

1064
00:53:00,973 --> 00:53:01,453
Speaker 5: I think.

1065
00:53:03,053 --> 00:53:07,733
Speaker 17: The only good I can take from that relationship is

1066
00:53:07,813 --> 00:53:10,333
Speaker 17: that I know want not to install in white children.

1067
00:53:10,653 --> 00:53:14,213
Speaker 17: And luckily for me, my in law was.

1068
00:53:14,613 --> 00:53:17,253
Speaker 5: Really really good with a large funder with lod of

1069
00:53:17,333 --> 00:53:20,573
Speaker 5: love in it. So that's how to restore that.

1070
00:53:21,573 --> 00:53:23,453
Speaker 2: Sorry to hear about the situation with your siblings, and

1071
00:53:23,573 --> 00:53:26,253
Speaker 2: and that's that's great to hear about that that situation.

1072
00:53:26,453 --> 00:53:29,133
Speaker 2: But were you and so did you stay in your

1073
00:53:29,213 --> 00:53:32,693
Speaker 2: mother's life right up to the sort of dementia problem,

1074
00:53:33,333 --> 00:53:35,893
Speaker 2: whereas the other two brothers hadn't been around.

1075
00:53:36,813 --> 00:53:39,893
Speaker 5: The other three brothers hadn't been around, so yeah at all?

1076
00:53:42,973 --> 00:53:46,733
Speaker 2: And they did they acknowledge? Did they acknowledge that in

1077
00:53:46,853 --> 00:53:50,773
Speaker 2: the the negotiations around the house. They just heard that

1078
00:53:50,853 --> 00:53:52,333
Speaker 2: it was happening, and then came up and thought that

1079
00:53:52,413 --> 00:53:55,933
Speaker 2: they were owed a certain and owed something for the time.

1080
00:53:56,373 --> 00:53:59,493
Speaker 17: And one, yeah, one became a wealthare guardian and then

1081
00:53:59,573 --> 00:54:01,573
Speaker 17: paid the other himself a lot of money, and the

1082
00:54:01,653 --> 00:54:06,253
Speaker 17: other two and got all nasty and you know, made

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00:54:06,333 --> 00:54:08,013
Speaker 17: up of his lives and things. So all that kind

1084
00:54:08,013 --> 00:54:12,973
Speaker 17: of draft resulted from greed and irrespective of blood. And

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00:54:13,093 --> 00:54:15,493
Speaker 17: I come from Scottish and Irish heresies, and I thought,

1086
00:54:15,573 --> 00:54:20,613
Speaker 17: you know, we were pretty tight, but it's in terms

1087
00:54:20,653 --> 00:54:25,773
Speaker 17: of like our family history and you know, but it's interesting.

1088
00:54:25,813 --> 00:54:28,173
Speaker 17: I'm tired with my cousins that I am with my

1089
00:54:28,293 --> 00:54:30,733
Speaker 17: own brother and I don't really know my brothers, but

1090
00:54:30,773 --> 00:54:32,573
Speaker 17: I've known my cousins because I made a point to

1091
00:54:32,653 --> 00:54:35,373
Speaker 17: go and find my family when I was young, and

1092
00:54:36,013 --> 00:54:38,692
Speaker 17: now I've got time to actually get to know them.

1093
00:54:39,933 --> 00:54:46,093
Speaker 17: So yeah, cousins can be really really good people when

1094
00:54:46,133 --> 00:54:47,413
Speaker 17: you don't have brothers.

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00:54:48,533 --> 00:54:51,613
Speaker 2: Johnny, do you think so what I said before? Do

1096
00:54:51,733 --> 00:54:55,933
Speaker 2: you think that you tried hard harder with or you

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00:54:56,093 --> 00:55:00,013
Speaker 2: thought you should try harder with your brothers because they

1098
00:55:00,053 --> 00:55:03,093
Speaker 2: were your brothers, then you would say, for example, they

1099
00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:04,493
Speaker 2: were just friends.

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00:55:05,493 --> 00:55:10,133
Speaker 17: Absolutely, like the extra mile and and that's kind of

1101
00:55:10,653 --> 00:55:14,813
Speaker 17: my car and my my system of belief, So you know,

1102
00:55:15,173 --> 00:55:15,893
Speaker 17: that's where it's at.

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00:55:16,173 --> 00:55:18,573
Speaker 3: Do you still talk to them, Johnny, even if your

1104
00:55:18,613 --> 00:55:20,053
Speaker 3: relationship has been broken?

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00:55:21,293 --> 00:55:24,212
Speaker 17: Now I'm blocked and we're in court and the Supreme Court,

1106
00:55:24,573 --> 00:55:25,692
Speaker 17: so I can't say too much.

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00:55:25,773 --> 00:55:26,773
Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot going on.

1108
00:55:27,093 --> 00:55:29,613
Speaker 3: Have you have you forgiven? Have you forgiven them?

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00:55:30,613 --> 00:55:31,173
Speaker 6: Absolutely?

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00:55:31,373 --> 00:55:34,133
Speaker 17: There are any human and people will do wicked things

1111
00:55:34,213 --> 00:55:38,853
Speaker 17: and behave irrationally, especially if they've not worked hard to

1112
00:55:38,933 --> 00:55:41,373
Speaker 17: the point where they know how to actually deal with

1113
00:55:41,493 --> 00:55:44,053
Speaker 17: money and slight winning a lot of some people when

1114
00:55:44,053 --> 00:55:47,973
Speaker 17: a person died, and that's where you see some distinct behavior.

1115
00:55:48,093 --> 00:55:49,653
Speaker 5: So just soldier on.

1116
00:55:49,813 --> 00:55:54,253
Speaker 2: And it's really tragic. It's a really tragic part of

1117
00:55:54,493 --> 00:55:58,493
Speaker 2: the passing in a family that that a time that

1118
00:55:58,573 --> 00:56:01,093
Speaker 2: could you could come together around, you know, the passing

1119
00:56:01,133 --> 00:56:03,573
Speaker 2: of a parent, and then that becomes a point of

1120
00:56:04,213 --> 00:56:08,973
Speaker 2: contention around around the money. That's that's really tragic, and

1121
00:56:09,053 --> 00:56:13,053
Speaker 2: that's obviously caused so many problems over you know, probably

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00:56:13,053 --> 00:56:16,093
Speaker 2: the entire history of us having an economic system where

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00:56:16,173 --> 00:56:19,692
Speaker 2: money money went to you know, was divided up. So yeah,

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00:56:19,693 --> 00:56:21,493
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to hear about that. That, Johnny.

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00:56:22,413 --> 00:56:24,533
Speaker 17: Oh, that's all good, like common a positive frame of mind,

1126
00:56:25,053 --> 00:56:27,373
Speaker 17: and we have a lot to look forward to in

1127
00:56:27,413 --> 00:56:30,293
Speaker 17: our future. And you know, the doors always sort of

1128
00:56:30,333 --> 00:56:32,653
Speaker 17: open the jar because I'm not the one shutting it.

1129
00:56:33,453 --> 00:56:35,933
Speaker 17: So and I have got faith in the public trust

1130
00:56:35,933 --> 00:56:38,613
Speaker 17: system as well, so the people in my situation. You know,

1131
00:56:38,693 --> 00:56:41,133
Speaker 17: there's the public trust when people can't sort out their

1132
00:56:41,173 --> 00:56:44,573
Speaker 17: disputes and administering probate and stuff. But even with getting

1133
00:56:44,573 --> 00:56:47,573
Speaker 17: people cremated. My dad was just cremated this morning after

1134
00:56:47,693 --> 00:56:50,253
Speaker 17: being in a funeral home for more than two months

1135
00:56:50,973 --> 00:56:56,692
Speaker 17: while people have arguments. So it's incredible the links people

1136
00:56:56,733 --> 00:56:59,413
Speaker 17: will go to to be rotten, but it's also mating

1137
00:57:00,413 --> 00:57:02,413
Speaker 17: the goodness of the people at the funeral home and

1138
00:57:03,133 --> 00:57:05,853
Speaker 17: in the public trust to assist us in this situation.

1139
00:57:06,213 --> 00:57:08,253
Speaker 3: Johnny, thank you very much for giving us a buzz

1140
00:57:08,573 --> 00:57:10,853
Speaker 3: and and it sounds like you've been through the ringer,

1141
00:57:10,933 --> 00:57:13,413
Speaker 3: but your philosophy, I mean, we take our hat off

1142
00:57:13,453 --> 00:57:13,893
Speaker 3: to you mate.

1143
00:57:16,613 --> 00:57:18,173
Speaker 5: This story relevant to me.

1144
00:57:18,413 --> 00:57:21,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, ye, thanks Johnny hearing. I think you know Johnny's

1145
00:57:21,893 --> 00:57:24,573
Speaker 3: point there that the door's always open, and I think

1146
00:57:24,613 --> 00:57:26,493
Speaker 3: when I you never give up on family, there's never

1147
00:57:26,533 --> 00:57:28,773
Speaker 3: given up on family. Clearly, if the door's always open,

1148
00:57:28,853 --> 00:57:30,773
Speaker 3: doors brothers, if they want to come and have a

1149
00:57:30,893 --> 00:57:34,093
Speaker 3: chat and see if they can get through that, then

1150
00:57:34,173 --> 00:57:36,933
Speaker 3: that possibility still remains in Johnny's mind. And I think

1151
00:57:37,013 --> 00:57:39,093
Speaker 3: that's where I'd always be, that there's always if we

1152
00:57:39,173 --> 00:57:41,053
Speaker 3: have a falling out, there'd always be a possibility. I'd

1153
00:57:41,093 --> 00:57:42,253
Speaker 3: never give up on a family member.

1154
00:57:42,733 --> 00:57:45,093
Speaker 2: It's a funny situation though, what Johnny is saying there

1155
00:57:45,093 --> 00:57:47,333
Speaker 2: as you always imagine. You see other families and you think, oh,

1156
00:57:47,413 --> 00:57:50,213
Speaker 2: everyone's got this amazing. I've got this problem with my brothers,

1157
00:57:50,293 --> 00:57:53,453
Speaker 2: but look at all these families with this incredible relationship

1158
00:57:53,533 --> 00:57:55,933
Speaker 2: with their brothers. We're always looking around other families and

1159
00:57:56,013 --> 00:57:57,813
Speaker 2: comparing and as ours the perfect family?

1160
00:57:57,893 --> 00:57:58,253
Speaker 5: Is this right?

1161
00:57:58,253 --> 00:58:00,493
Speaker 2: If I've got the right relationship with my parents and

1162
00:58:00,613 --> 00:58:04,813
Speaker 2: my siblings, and really, I mean, you know, comparison to

1163
00:58:04,933 --> 00:58:05,253
Speaker 2: Thief of.

1164
00:58:05,293 --> 00:58:08,053
Speaker 3: Joy, Yeah, life is missy. Oh eight hundred ac ten

1165
00:58:08,133 --> 00:58:09,773
Speaker 3: as he loved to hear from you. If you've had

1166
00:58:09,773 --> 00:58:11,973
Speaker 3: a falling out with your sibling, what happened? Did you

1167
00:58:12,093 --> 00:58:14,613
Speaker 3: manage to make up? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1168
00:58:14,773 --> 00:58:16,813
Speaker 3: is the number to call. It's twenty six past two

1169
00:58:17,053 --> 00:58:19,253
Speaker 3: back very shortly here on News TALKSB.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

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00:58:27,413 --> 00:58:27,853
Speaker 1: ten eighty.

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00:58:27,933 --> 00:58:29,173
Speaker 4: On News Talk z EDB.

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00:58:32,813 --> 00:58:36,013
Speaker 3: News Talk zed B, we've asked the question when to

1174
00:58:36,093 --> 00:58:39,053
Speaker 3: call time on a toxic sibling relationship on the back

1175
00:58:39,173 --> 00:58:42,573
Speaker 3: of a story in the New Zealand Herald about various

1176
00:58:42,573 --> 00:58:46,173
Speaker 3: siblings who got into an argument for various reasons with

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00:58:46,373 --> 00:58:49,413
Speaker 3: their brother or sister and voided all contact.

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00:58:49,773 --> 00:58:52,973
Speaker 2: Yes, so someone here said, whoever chooses your topics as

1179
00:58:53,013 --> 00:58:55,773
Speaker 2: a very depressed and tortured soul, that would be me.

1180
00:58:56,773 --> 00:59:00,293
Speaker 2: That would be my apologies. But this one from Jody

1181
00:59:00,333 --> 00:59:02,053
Speaker 2: here TeX's come through. I haven't spoken to my old

1182
00:59:02,093 --> 00:59:04,813
Speaker 2: man in twenty five years. Very nasty old fella better

1183
00:59:04,893 --> 00:59:07,253
Speaker 2: off without him. When my partner I lost our child,

1184
00:59:07,333 --> 00:59:09,933
Speaker 2: he said it wasn't it was probably for the best.

1185
00:59:10,413 --> 00:59:13,693
Speaker 2: Always always doing nasty stuff. I mean, yeah, there's no

1186
00:59:13,813 --> 00:59:17,613
Speaker 2: doubt that people and families are capable of it. I mean,

1187
00:59:17,653 --> 00:59:20,533
Speaker 2: there's nasty people in the world, and those nasty people

1188
00:59:20,533 --> 00:59:24,093
Speaker 2: are from families. So it is a bit naive to

1189
00:59:24,133 --> 00:59:26,613
Speaker 2: say that you should always stick with your family, obviously,

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00:59:27,173 --> 00:59:29,533
Speaker 2: because there are some people where it's just you can't.

1191
00:59:29,653 --> 00:59:32,773
Speaker 2: But I guess I'm saying that you should tend towards

1192
00:59:32,773 --> 00:59:36,013
Speaker 2: sticking with your family because you know, after the break,

1193
00:59:36,013 --> 00:59:40,253
Speaker 2: I'll share a I'll share the results from this longest

1194
00:59:40,293 --> 00:59:42,693
Speaker 2: you know, or the longest study that's ever done on

1195
00:59:42,813 --> 00:59:45,093
Speaker 2: human happiness and how important family was to that.

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00:59:45,333 --> 00:59:47,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's an interesting text, and I know I

1197
00:59:47,973 --> 00:59:50,053
Speaker 3: can't comprehend what that would be like if my old

1198
00:59:50,133 --> 00:59:51,973
Speaker 3: man said that to me or mayven if we're in

1199
00:59:52,053 --> 00:59:56,533
Speaker 3: that situation. But I think if Dad was to say that,

1200
00:59:56,813 --> 01:00:00,653
Speaker 3: would I I'd be incredibly incredibly hurt. I don't know

1201
01:00:00,693 --> 01:00:03,853
Speaker 3: if I'd cut him off. I would forgive him, but

1202
01:00:03,973 --> 01:00:07,213
Speaker 3: he wouldn't be as much a part of our lives

1203
01:00:07,413 --> 01:00:09,013
Speaker 3: as he would have been. A few was a good person.

1204
01:00:09,093 --> 01:00:11,173
Speaker 2: But I've seen a good things of things that seen

1205
01:00:11,173 --> 01:00:13,533
Speaker 2: the things in family where people someone says something not

1206
01:00:13,653 --> 01:00:16,133
Speaker 2: quite right, they don't quite get the words right, and

1207
01:00:16,253 --> 01:00:19,813
Speaker 2: then that is taken a certain way because these are heightened,

1208
01:00:19,893 --> 01:00:24,293
Speaker 2: dramatic parts of life when when tragic things happen, and

1209
01:00:24,493 --> 01:00:26,253
Speaker 2: some you can just get the words slightly wrong, and

1210
01:00:26,293 --> 01:00:27,773
Speaker 2: then it goes down in history that you said that,

1211
01:00:27,893 --> 01:00:29,533
Speaker 2: and there's no coming back, there's no convincing them that

1212
01:00:29,573 --> 01:00:30,893
Speaker 2: you didn't say it. I'm not saying that's the case

1213
01:00:30,933 --> 01:00:35,253
Speaker 2: in that situation, but sometimes feuds are misunderstanding, so you

1214
01:00:35,293 --> 01:00:35,973
Speaker 2: can't understand that.

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01:00:36,173 --> 01:00:40,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, text number is nine two and nine two. We're

1216
01:00:40,573 --> 01:00:42,253
Speaker 3: late for the headlines, but we're going to get to

1217
01:00:42,333 --> 01:00:44,013
Speaker 3: some more of your cause as well. Oh eight hundred

1218
01:00:44,053 --> 01:00:47,533
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. It is being on two thirty

1219
01:00:47,613 --> 01:00:49,453
Speaker 3: listening to Matt and Tyler. Very good afternoon to you

1220
01:00:49,573 --> 01:00:51,133
Speaker 3: headlines with Raylene coming.

1221
01:00:51,013 --> 01:00:56,533
Speaker 13: Up you talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis,

1222
01:00:56,653 --> 01:00:59,973
Speaker 13: it's no trouble with a blue bubble fine. DA Police

1223
01:00:59,973 --> 01:01:03,893
Speaker 13: say they treating a motorcyclist death yesterday as a homicide

1224
01:01:04,333 --> 01:01:06,333
Speaker 13: and are asking for sightings, so if there's blue and

1225
01:01:06,413 --> 01:01:10,133
Speaker 13: silver road bike late choose day or early Wednesday. His

1226
01:01:10,293 --> 01:01:13,173
Speaker 13: body was discovered in a creek by State Highway fifteen.

1227
01:01:13,653 --> 01:01:17,533
Speaker 13: His bike was found on the road between Mangwatarpari and Ortaiker.

1228
01:01:18,613 --> 01:01:21,093
Speaker 13: A rule change from next year will allow gay men

1229
01:01:21,213 --> 01:01:24,413
Speaker 13: to donate blood, bringing them under the same rules and

1230
01:01:24,533 --> 01:01:28,693
Speaker 13: questions as all donors. A teen attacked where a hammer

1231
01:01:28,893 --> 01:01:32,293
Speaker 13: is recovering from surgery after a road rage brawl in

1232
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Speaker 13: Dunedin yesterday. A person's appeared in a youth court and

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01:01:35,733 --> 01:01:39,813
Speaker 13: other teens being bailed. The government's putting almost thirty million

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01:01:39,893 --> 01:01:44,213
Speaker 13: dollars into buying an MRI scanner and linear accelerator for

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01:01:44,333 --> 01:01:48,413
Speaker 13: Hawk's Bay Hospital, which will double CT scan capacity and

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01:01:48,573 --> 01:01:53,733
Speaker 13: improve radiology and cancer treatment. Auckland Deputy Mayor Desley Simpson

1237
01:01:53,813 --> 01:01:57,013
Speaker 13: says a new website labeled Desley for Mayor dot CO

1238
01:01:57,213 --> 01:02:00,013
Speaker 13: dot Nz was set up by her son as a

1239
01:02:00,053 --> 01:02:03,213
Speaker 13: bit of a laugh over Christmas. She hasn't decided whether

1240
01:02:03,293 --> 01:02:07,533
Speaker 13: to run for the city's top job. Ripples of backfilm

1241
01:02:07,653 --> 01:02:10,013
Speaker 13: Who's Moving Auckland CBD Officers.

1242
01:02:10,453 --> 01:02:12,693
Speaker 2: You can find out more at inzid Herald Premium.

1243
01:02:13,213 --> 01:02:14,813
Speaker 13: Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1244
01:02:14,893 --> 01:02:16,213
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, ray Lean.

1245
01:02:16,373 --> 01:02:19,053
Speaker 2: We're talking about when it's time to call time on

1246
01:02:19,533 --> 01:02:24,733
Speaker 2: toxic sibling relationships and Jerry, you've got a story to

1247
01:02:24,813 --> 01:02:25,333
Speaker 2: share with us.

1248
01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:27,813
Speaker 18: Oh yeah, it's just a quickie.

1249
01:02:28,893 --> 01:02:29,093
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1250
01:02:29,373 --> 01:02:33,573
Speaker 18: Years ago, it would have been My brother was going

1251
01:02:33,613 --> 01:02:35,133
Speaker 18: through a bit of a stage where he's been a

1252
01:02:35,333 --> 01:02:38,373
Speaker 18: bit of a dick and we were talking on the

1253
01:02:38,413 --> 01:02:41,573
Speaker 18: phone one day and yeah, I just had enough and

1254
01:02:41,653 --> 01:02:45,933
Speaker 18: I hung up on him. Three months later, he rings

1255
01:02:46,053 --> 01:02:48,453
Speaker 18: out of the blue and we just carried on as

1256
01:02:48,493 --> 01:02:51,453
Speaker 18: if nothing had happened. And it's been the same ever since.

1257
01:02:51,853 --> 01:02:53,333
Speaker 2: So how long was the gap? Sorry?

1258
01:02:54,213 --> 01:02:54,733
Speaker 18: Three months?

1259
01:02:54,813 --> 01:02:57,213
Speaker 2: Three months? Yeah, I mean that's that's a good that's

1260
01:02:57,253 --> 01:03:00,533
Speaker 2: a good calling off period, it is. Yeah, and you

1261
01:03:00,653 --> 01:03:04,013
Speaker 2: were you still chewing over the issue or it's just

1262
01:03:04,133 --> 01:03:05,253
Speaker 2: a disappeared.

1263
01:03:06,573 --> 01:03:11,613
Speaker 18: Well, I just wasn't going to be bothered with him. Yeah,

1264
01:03:11,813 --> 01:03:13,373
Speaker 18: Bluck said he was being a bit of a dick,

1265
01:03:13,453 --> 01:03:17,693
Speaker 18: so I couldn't be bothered. But when he rang me

1266
01:03:18,493 --> 01:03:21,053
Speaker 18: three months later, and yeah, we just carried on as

1267
01:03:21,053 --> 01:03:23,973
Speaker 18: if nothing happened, and it turned out he wasn't being

1268
01:03:24,013 --> 01:03:26,253
Speaker 18: a dick anymore, so it was fun.

1269
01:03:26,373 --> 01:03:28,813
Speaker 3: Yeah that's nice. I mean it can be, Jerry, isn't

1270
01:03:28,853 --> 01:03:33,013
Speaker 3: it when it's something's happened and you've avoided contact for

1271
01:03:33,133 --> 01:03:35,213
Speaker 3: in this case, three months. But sometimes when you go

1272
01:03:35,333 --> 01:03:39,253
Speaker 3: back to try and mend that relationship, it can spark

1273
01:03:39,373 --> 01:03:42,013
Speaker 3: things up again. When you go with all you know

1274
01:03:42,093 --> 01:03:44,733
Speaker 3: forgiveness and say, hey, look, brother, you were wrong in

1275
01:03:44,813 --> 01:03:47,173
Speaker 3: that scenario. You know you were, and boobal was sudden

1276
01:03:47,213 --> 01:03:49,213
Speaker 3: it flears up again. I wasn't in the wrong, you

1277
01:03:49,333 --> 01:03:51,573
Speaker 3: were in the wrong. I'm glad that didn't happen in

1278
01:03:51,613 --> 01:03:52,013
Speaker 3: your case.

1279
01:03:53,093 --> 01:03:56,453
Speaker 18: No, no, it would have eventually ended. There's just me

1280
01:03:56,573 --> 01:03:59,173
Speaker 18: and him, so it would have eventually ended. But I

1281
01:03:59,333 --> 01:04:02,373
Speaker 18: just couldn't be bothered with him. So yeah, but I

1282
01:04:02,653 --> 01:04:05,973
Speaker 18: but I didn't robust him when you know he made contact,

1283
01:04:06,293 --> 01:04:07,573
Speaker 18: So yeah, I.

1284
01:04:07,573 --> 01:04:10,133
Speaker 2: Will think so much if you call Jerry, appreciate that.

1285
01:04:10,173 --> 01:04:12,133
Speaker 2: And I'm glad that you and your brother are getting along.

1286
01:04:12,573 --> 01:04:14,733
Speaker 2: Apologizing is quite a good thing, isn't it. If you

1287
01:04:14,813 --> 01:04:18,053
Speaker 2: can I apologize to my younger brother, says this Texter.

1288
01:04:19,013 --> 01:04:21,973
Speaker 2: I apologize to my younger brother for being a jealous

1289
01:04:22,013 --> 01:04:25,173
Speaker 2: little sister, and the other day I'm twenty eight. There

1290
01:04:25,213 --> 01:04:26,973
Speaker 2: is strength of us never cut in contact.

1291
01:04:27,213 --> 01:04:31,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is something can apologizing, Absolutely big power in it.

1292
01:04:31,293 --> 01:04:34,733
Speaker 3: If you can see that even if you still thought

1293
01:04:34,773 --> 01:04:36,933
Speaker 3: you're on the right side of the argument, that the

1294
01:04:37,093 --> 01:04:39,773
Speaker 3: way that you approached it was a bit of a

1295
01:04:39,853 --> 01:04:42,453
Speaker 3: dick move, or you're a bit more aggressive, or you

1296
01:04:42,573 --> 01:04:45,293
Speaker 3: said something that you didn't really mean. I mean, there

1297
01:04:45,413 --> 01:04:47,213
Speaker 3: is a lot of power in saying, hey, I'm really

1298
01:04:47,333 --> 01:04:48,373
Speaker 3: sorry I was a dick.

1299
01:04:49,053 --> 01:04:52,053
Speaker 2: Well, there's yeah, absolutely, and there's definitely as I say,

1300
01:04:52,133 --> 01:04:54,213
Speaker 2: and a lot of these texts coming through, which isn't

1301
01:04:54,253 --> 01:04:55,773
Speaker 2: quite the focus of what we're talking about here, but

1302
01:04:55,813 --> 01:04:58,573
Speaker 2: where people have done and families have done truly evil things,

1303
01:04:58,653 --> 01:05:01,893
Speaker 2: because evil things are done by people that are in families.

1304
01:05:01,973 --> 01:05:05,893
Speaker 2: So there is obviously lines that cannot be crossed where

1305
01:05:05,933 --> 01:05:08,293
Speaker 2: you don't want to have anything to do with someone, right, certainly,

1306
01:05:08,573 --> 01:05:10,853
Speaker 2: but you've got to ask yourself when you're holding a grudge,

1307
01:05:11,013 --> 01:05:13,213
Speaker 2: you gotta go, is this worth it? Is it really

1308
01:05:13,333 --> 01:05:15,533
Speaker 2: worth it? Because you can hold a grudge on just

1309
01:05:15,573 --> 01:05:17,773
Speaker 2: a tiny little thing and it just burns and burns

1310
01:05:17,813 --> 01:05:21,173
Speaker 2: and burns. He goes, is the original sin worth the

1311
01:05:21,453 --> 01:05:24,693
Speaker 2: years and years of this grudge? Or is that just

1312
01:05:24,853 --> 01:05:27,253
Speaker 2: being born upon itself over and over over again?

1313
01:05:27,373 --> 01:05:27,573
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1314
01:05:27,853 --> 01:05:31,173
Speaker 2: And also you've got to put yourself just try steal,

1315
01:05:31,253 --> 01:05:36,373
Speaker 2: meaning the brother or sister's opinion right, what they might

1316
01:05:36,453 --> 01:05:39,333
Speaker 2: have seen from it, right, because maybe you are the dick.

1317
01:05:39,373 --> 01:05:41,093
Speaker 2: You've always got to ask the question, am I actually

1318
01:05:41,133 --> 01:05:43,773
Speaker 2: being the dick in this situation? Because someone's probably being

1319
01:05:43,813 --> 01:05:45,573
Speaker 2: the dick could love you and and.

1320
01:05:45,653 --> 01:05:48,533
Speaker 3: It can be both. Yeah, oh one hundred eighty ten eighty.

1321
01:05:48,653 --> 01:05:50,373
Speaker 3: If you've had a falling out with a family member

1322
01:05:50,493 --> 01:05:53,173
Speaker 3: or sibling, love to hear from you what happened and

1323
01:05:53,253 --> 01:05:54,253
Speaker 3: did you manage to make up?

1324
01:05:54,573 --> 01:05:57,053
Speaker 2: Growing up, my dad used to have this spiel about

1325
01:05:57,133 --> 01:05:59,893
Speaker 2: how you'll always have your brother, etc. You've got to

1326
01:05:59,933 --> 01:06:02,253
Speaker 2: be friends, says this textra a nineteen nine two screw that.

1327
01:06:02,813 --> 01:06:04,933
Speaker 2: We had an argument because my brother assumed he would

1328
01:06:04,973 --> 01:06:06,773
Speaker 2: be the best man at my wedding. This is a

1329
01:06:06,853 --> 01:06:09,373
Speaker 2: man I have nothing in common with, or barely talk

1330
01:06:09,493 --> 01:06:11,733
Speaker 2: to when he was told he wasn't he decided not

1331
01:06:11,813 --> 01:06:14,453
Speaker 2: to come. Friends are so much more important than family.

1332
01:06:15,253 --> 01:06:18,413
Speaker 2: You get to choose your friends. Yeah, okay, but I

1333
01:06:18,493 --> 01:06:20,893
Speaker 2: mean so that's really not worth an argument, is it.

1334
01:06:20,973 --> 01:06:22,493
Speaker 2: Growing up, my dad said we had to be friends.

1335
01:06:22,533 --> 01:06:25,053
Speaker 2: By bah. We had an argument because my brother assumed

1336
01:06:25,133 --> 01:06:27,533
Speaker 2: he would be best man at the wedding. This is

1337
01:06:27,573 --> 01:06:29,613
Speaker 2: a man I have nothing in common with. Well, you

1338
01:06:29,693 --> 01:06:31,053
Speaker 2: do have a common with that. You he's your brother

1339
01:06:31,133 --> 01:06:32,573
Speaker 2: and he wanted to be best man at your wedding.

1340
01:06:32,613 --> 01:06:34,453
Speaker 2: You could, you could, You could look at it that

1341
01:06:34,533 --> 01:06:36,493
Speaker 2: way and go, isn't it nice that my brother wanted

1342
01:06:36,493 --> 01:06:39,053
Speaker 2: to be best man at my wedding? Because you don't

1343
01:06:39,093 --> 01:06:40,853
Speaker 2: want to be best man at a wedding because because

1344
01:06:40,893 --> 01:06:42,733
Speaker 2: you hate the person. Yeah, you want to be best

1345
01:06:42,773 --> 01:06:45,173
Speaker 2: man at the wedding as a gesture you do not

1346
01:06:45,293 --> 01:06:47,773
Speaker 2: owed it. Yeah, but I don't know.

1347
01:06:47,853 --> 01:06:50,053
Speaker 3: It's a funny thing about grudges. And as you mentioned before,

1348
01:06:50,693 --> 01:06:54,693
Speaker 3: you know, grudges, is that causing you more suffering by

1349
01:06:54,773 --> 01:06:57,493
Speaker 3: holding that grudge versus the person that you're really angry with,

1350
01:06:57,653 --> 01:07:00,613
Speaker 3: even if you were in in the right. Oh, eight

1351
01:07:00,773 --> 01:07:03,213
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to talk

1352
01:07:03,293 --> 01:07:07,293
Speaker 3: to ring rather, I think we got Julian on the line. Actually,

1353
01:07:07,333 --> 01:07:08,893
Speaker 3: we're gonna have a quick break and we'll come back

1354
01:07:08,933 --> 01:07:11,533
Speaker 3: to Julian very shortly. It is twenty one to three.

1355
01:07:13,453 --> 01:07:16,893
Speaker 1: Mattie Tayler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on

1356
01:07:17,253 --> 01:07:21,173
Speaker 1: matt and Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety attention

1357
01:07:21,293 --> 01:07:23,893
Speaker 1: to detail and a commitment to comfort news talks.

1358
01:07:23,933 --> 01:07:26,773
Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoon eighteen to three.

1359
01:07:26,973 --> 01:07:29,293
Speaker 2: Boy, I'm just reading so many texts coming through on

1360
01:07:29,373 --> 01:07:32,013
Speaker 2: nine two nine two of these and depth stories about

1361
01:07:32,133 --> 01:07:35,893
Speaker 2: people's life. It's quite falling. Actually, I'm getting a little

1362
01:07:35,893 --> 01:07:36,613
Speaker 2: bit emotional, Tyler.

1363
01:07:36,693 --> 01:07:39,573
Speaker 3: There are some yeah, pretty powerful stories coming through. Keep

1364
01:07:39,613 --> 01:07:41,773
Speaker 3: them coming though. On nine two ninety two. Let's go

1365
01:07:41,853 --> 01:07:43,773
Speaker 3: to the phone, though, Julian, good afternoon to you.

1366
01:07:44,733 --> 01:07:46,493
Speaker 17: Good, let's say again, very good.

1367
01:07:46,613 --> 01:07:48,773
Speaker 3: So you had a bit of a breakdown in a

1368
01:07:48,853 --> 01:07:51,453
Speaker 3: sibling relationship, you could say that.

1369
01:07:51,653 --> 01:07:54,133
Speaker 19: Look, I'm a twin I was in business with my

1370
01:07:54,333 --> 01:07:59,173
Speaker 19: twin brother about thirty years ago. One day I just

1371
01:07:59,213 --> 01:08:01,893
Speaker 19: decided I didn't want to work with him anymore, and

1372
01:08:02,293 --> 01:08:05,613
Speaker 19: we sold the company. And he hasn't talked to me since.

1373
01:08:06,013 --> 01:08:09,853
Speaker 2: How long ago. Was that Julian years ago? Oh wow, right,

1374
01:08:10,133 --> 01:08:13,773
Speaker 2: so have you have you have you reached out to him?

1375
01:08:15,053 --> 01:08:17,173
Speaker 19: I did for the first couple of years, and it

1376
01:08:17,372 --> 01:08:19,412
Speaker 19: was totally ignored. And then I had a bit of

1377
01:08:19,452 --> 01:08:24,093
Speaker 19: a patient epiphany one day that I realized that it

1378
01:08:24,213 --> 01:08:27,293
Speaker 19: wasn't me that had a problem, it was him. If

1379
01:08:27,333 --> 01:08:29,973
Speaker 19: he didn't want to resolve it, it's fine, and he

1380
01:08:30,053 --> 01:08:33,052
Speaker 19: gave me, I would say a certain amount of closure.

1381
01:08:35,452 --> 01:08:36,133
Speaker 8: I Look, I.

1382
01:08:37,652 --> 01:08:39,812
Speaker 19: I always thought one day that we'll get back to

1383
01:08:39,853 --> 01:08:43,013
Speaker 19: it together. Even when my mother passed away last year,

1384
01:08:43,772 --> 01:08:47,412
Speaker 19: that never happened. But all I can say is, people, look,

1385
01:08:47,492 --> 01:08:49,612
Speaker 19: sometimes you do have to reach a point where you

1386
01:08:50,293 --> 01:08:52,772
Speaker 19: you've done enough to try to repair that. It's not

1387
01:08:52,893 --> 01:08:56,092
Speaker 19: going to do you any good try trying to carry

1388
01:08:56,173 --> 01:08:57,852
Speaker 19: on to repair it. You just have to let go.

1389
01:08:58,133 --> 01:09:00,572
Speaker 19: So that would be my only bit of advice.

1390
01:09:01,133 --> 01:09:04,093
Speaker 2: Can you see anything in his opinion? Was he just

1391
01:09:04,732 --> 01:09:08,492
Speaker 2: the business was important to him and he felt like

1392
01:09:08,612 --> 01:09:11,772
Speaker 2: you took something away from him by breaking up the business.

1393
01:09:11,812 --> 01:09:13,893
Speaker 2: Do you think that's what his problem is?

1394
01:09:14,732 --> 01:09:17,253
Speaker 19: Look, I can honestly say I have no idea because

1395
01:09:17,293 --> 01:09:20,852
Speaker 19: we never you know, once we decided to sell a company,

1396
01:09:21,572 --> 01:09:24,732
Speaker 19: netwook most probably sort of a couple of months to

1397
01:09:24,812 --> 01:09:27,572
Speaker 19: get all the finances sorted out, and even to the

1398
01:09:27,652 --> 01:09:30,053
Speaker 19: point when we went to see the accountant to sign

1399
01:09:30,093 --> 01:09:32,812
Speaker 19: the papers. I'm sure he thought that I was going

1400
01:09:32,893 --> 01:09:35,452
Speaker 19: to change my mind, but I never did, and I

1401
01:09:37,772 --> 01:09:41,133
Speaker 19: carried on. I ran what I think was a pretty

1402
01:09:41,173 --> 01:09:45,492
Speaker 19: successful business in the same line. But yeah, you know,

1403
01:09:45,612 --> 01:09:49,293
Speaker 19: he had issues, and I'm sure they went back. I mean,

1404
01:09:49,333 --> 01:09:52,213
Speaker 19: I learned afterwards they went back to our high school

1405
01:09:52,412 --> 01:09:57,293
Speaker 19: school days. I blame my parents to a certain extent

1406
01:09:57,372 --> 01:10:00,412
Speaker 19: because they let all this go on with They always

1407
01:10:00,492 --> 01:10:03,213
Speaker 19: wanted to sit on the fence with the two of

1408
01:10:03,333 --> 01:10:07,532
Speaker 19: us and not agree or disagree with anybody. And I

1409
01:10:07,612 --> 01:10:10,053
Speaker 19: guess that the only that made me when I, you know,

1410
01:10:10,213 --> 01:10:13,412
Speaker 19: with it with my kids. I always listened to their

1411
01:10:13,492 --> 01:10:15,972
Speaker 19: opinions and gave them my opinion of who.

1412
01:10:16,013 --> 01:10:17,012
Speaker 5: Was right and who was wrong.

1413
01:10:19,293 --> 01:10:24,972
Speaker 19: And I felt better for that of my experiences. But yeah, look,

1414
01:10:25,293 --> 01:10:27,213
Speaker 19: you know, it was it's very it was very sad.

1415
01:10:27,772 --> 01:10:31,813
Speaker 19: And as I say, you know, once I had realized

1416
01:10:31,853 --> 01:10:34,053
Speaker 19: that you know, he had the problem, not me, it

1417
01:10:34,213 --> 01:10:36,532
Speaker 19: made it made things a lot easier for me.

1418
01:10:36,772 --> 01:10:38,852
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for being really candid with us, Julian,

1419
01:10:38,933 --> 01:10:40,772
Speaker 3: did do you have other siblings or is it just

1420
01:10:40,893 --> 01:10:41,532
Speaker 3: you on your twin?

1421
01:10:42,452 --> 01:10:44,133
Speaker 19: No, just me and my twin. And I think, look,

1422
01:10:44,173 --> 01:10:46,812
Speaker 19: you know, people think I always think twins are very close,

1423
01:10:46,853 --> 01:10:50,213
Speaker 19: and I'm sure some are. We were very very close

1424
01:10:50,293 --> 01:10:52,133
Speaker 19: up until high school. And then you know, I think

1425
01:10:52,253 --> 01:10:54,172
Speaker 19: when in different directions.

1426
01:10:56,133 --> 01:10:58,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I suppose the reason I asked that, Julian,

1427
01:10:58,612 --> 01:11:02,013
Speaker 3: and you mentioned your parents before that that said on

1428
01:11:02,093 --> 01:11:04,532
Speaker 3: the fence as you as you said, there was no

1429
01:11:04,692 --> 01:11:09,092
Speaker 3: other mediator within the family to try and help meant

1430
01:11:09,492 --> 01:11:10,132
Speaker 3: what had happened?

1431
01:11:11,213 --> 01:11:14,133
Speaker 19: No, No, And look, you know, the issue was between

1432
01:11:14,412 --> 01:11:17,812
Speaker 19: me and him. I guess you know, you know, there

1433
01:11:17,893 --> 01:11:19,932
Speaker 19: was obviously with kids, there's a lot of a lot

1434
01:11:19,973 --> 01:11:23,852
Speaker 19: of history there, and we were the only two people

1435
01:11:23,893 --> 01:11:25,612
Speaker 19: that knew that sort of history. So it was really

1436
01:11:26,053 --> 01:11:28,412
Speaker 19: up to me and me and him to sort out.

1437
01:11:29,853 --> 01:11:31,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, what kind of twins are you?

1438
01:11:31,293 --> 01:11:31,412
Speaker 16: Are?

1439
01:11:31,412 --> 01:11:31,452
Speaker 13: You?

1440
01:11:31,532 --> 01:11:32,492
Speaker 2: Are you identical ones?

1441
01:11:32,572 --> 01:11:34,333
Speaker 19: This is just I'm just I was I was two

1442
01:11:34,372 --> 01:11:36,213
Speaker 19: hours I was two hours younger.

1443
01:11:36,492 --> 01:11:38,772
Speaker 2: Right, and you're identical yep?

1444
01:11:39,093 --> 01:11:39,892
Speaker 5: Wow in every way?

1445
01:11:40,053 --> 01:11:43,692
Speaker 2: Wow, identical tes wow. And and the end that has

1446
01:11:44,053 --> 01:11:45,652
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, like just you don't have to

1447
01:11:45,692 --> 01:11:48,093
Speaker 2: tell us anything you don't want to tell. But was

1448
01:11:48,213 --> 01:11:51,532
Speaker 2: he less successful after you split up in the business.

1449
01:11:53,853 --> 01:11:55,093
Speaker 5: I have no idea. I didn't.

1450
01:11:55,253 --> 01:11:58,133
Speaker 19: I didn't worry about that, to be honest. I mean,

1451
01:11:58,173 --> 01:12:01,293
Speaker 19: I guess with my my fault I was, you know,

1452
01:12:01,293 --> 01:12:04,213
Speaker 19: although we were identicals and I was I was slightly younger,

1453
01:12:04,812 --> 01:12:08,692
Speaker 19: I always felt that I empowered him to do the

1454
01:12:08,772 --> 01:12:11,652
Speaker 19: things that he did. So it was, you know, it

1455
01:12:11,772 --> 01:12:15,932
Speaker 19: was partly my fauledoman those those bitter feelings about parting

1456
01:12:16,492 --> 01:12:18,572
Speaker 19: had been building up for some time. It wasn't just

1457
01:12:18,652 --> 01:12:21,333
Speaker 19: something I woke up one day and decided. I was

1458
01:12:21,492 --> 01:12:24,132
Speaker 19: very lucky that I had the support of my wife

1459
01:12:25,333 --> 01:12:29,532
Speaker 19: because it was a huge decision to leave a very

1460
01:12:29,612 --> 01:12:31,932
Speaker 19: well established family business to go out on your own.

1461
01:12:32,053 --> 01:12:35,093
Speaker 19: But I always had her support and the you know,

1462
01:12:35,293 --> 01:12:40,132
Speaker 19: the the family support and Julia that served me helped Julian.

1463
01:12:40,213 --> 01:12:43,293
Speaker 2: If your identical twin brother reached out to you, now,

1464
01:12:43,452 --> 01:12:46,213
Speaker 2: would you would you welcome them with them with an

1465
01:12:46,253 --> 01:12:48,253
Speaker 2: open heart? Or has it been too long?

1466
01:12:49,532 --> 01:12:52,772
Speaker 19: Look at this, There's so much happened in that time. Look,

1467
01:12:52,812 --> 01:12:58,932
Speaker 19: I honestly, I don't know. I say no, but I yeah,

1468
01:12:58,973 --> 01:13:01,612
Speaker 19: I don't know. I mean, it's it's never going to happen.

1469
01:13:01,652 --> 01:13:04,213
Speaker 19: After thirty years, he's not going to turn around and

1470
01:13:04,812 --> 01:13:08,053
Speaker 19: want to discuss anything. But yeah, I don't know.

1471
01:13:08,412 --> 01:13:11,253
Speaker 2: I might, I might let you know what I might

1472
01:13:11,333 --> 01:13:14,372
Speaker 2: let you know if it does happen, Julian, I'd I'd

1473
01:13:14,452 --> 01:13:16,692
Speaker 2: love to know, because I don't know all the details

1474
01:13:16,732 --> 01:13:18,612
Speaker 2: about it, and we've only heard what you've said today.

1475
01:13:18,692 --> 01:13:21,052
Speaker 2: But I strongly want you guys to get back together,

1476
01:13:21,093 --> 01:13:25,053
Speaker 2: that definitely be friends again. I I'd love to see that,

1477
01:13:25,213 --> 01:13:26,972
Speaker 2: but of course I don't know all the details.

1478
01:13:27,933 --> 01:13:30,053
Speaker 19: Look, I'll tell you one other thing. When during that

1479
01:13:30,213 --> 01:13:33,852
Speaker 19: time when I was trying to reconnect, I was diagnosed

1480
01:13:33,893 --> 01:13:38,173
Speaker 19: with non hoskinsimp fhoma. There was very strong possibility that

1481
01:13:38,253 --> 01:13:40,452
Speaker 19: what I was going to have to have a bow

1482
01:13:40,532 --> 01:13:43,133
Speaker 19: male transplant, which would have meant that I would have

1483
01:13:43,333 --> 01:13:46,213
Speaker 19: ended up if he was willing with his DNA. Wow,

1484
01:13:47,372 --> 01:13:51,532
Speaker 19: And I really seriously thought, what do I really want

1485
01:13:52,492 --> 01:13:54,852
Speaker 19: to have this person that hates me that much in

1486
01:13:54,973 --> 01:13:55,612
Speaker 19: my body?

1487
01:13:56,372 --> 01:14:01,293
Speaker 2: Wow, That's that's a cinematic situation you've got right there.

1488
01:14:02,133 --> 01:14:04,133
Speaker 19: And look, it didn't it didn't come down to it, luckily,

1489
01:14:04,293 --> 01:14:09,293
Speaker 19: but there was that sort of possibility, and yeah, better

1490
01:14:09,412 --> 01:14:09,892
Speaker 19: history there.

1491
01:14:09,933 --> 01:14:11,852
Speaker 2: Gosh, yeah, my god, what a story.

1492
01:14:11,933 --> 01:14:13,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, Julian, thanks for being so frank with us.

1493
01:14:13,893 --> 01:14:17,333
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and absolutely absolutely one hundred get back to

1494
01:14:17,452 --> 01:14:21,333
Speaker 2: us if you're identical twin brother reaches out to you

1495
01:14:21,532 --> 01:14:27,173
Speaker 2: because I love only some closure as well, Julian, so

1496
01:14:27,253 --> 01:14:27,972
Speaker 2: much for you very much.

1497
01:14:28,572 --> 01:14:31,452
Speaker 3: Wow. So I know I've had some problems with my brothers,

1498
01:14:31,532 --> 01:14:34,412
Speaker 3: but you know that really puts things into perspective, doesn't it.

1499
01:14:34,772 --> 01:14:37,612
Speaker 2: For some reason, I'm quite quite affected they're there identical

1500
01:14:37,692 --> 01:14:40,652
Speaker 2: twins because you do you do see that from the outside.

1501
01:14:40,652 --> 01:14:43,293
Speaker 2: You think identical twins will just be close for their

1502
01:14:43,333 --> 01:14:46,492
Speaker 2: whole life. But it's interesting who's the older twin because

1503
01:14:46,532 --> 01:14:50,773
Speaker 2: my mum and her sister were twins, right, ye, not identical,

1504
01:14:51,213 --> 01:14:54,372
Speaker 2: but twins and ones like just a few minutes older

1505
01:14:54,652 --> 01:14:56,333
Speaker 2: my mum, and as a result, she was always the

1506
01:14:56,372 --> 01:14:59,452
Speaker 2: older sister. Yeah, even though it was only moments, because

1507
01:14:59,492 --> 01:15:01,412
Speaker 2: you've always told you came out first, so you become

1508
01:15:01,532 --> 01:15:03,852
Speaker 2: kind of the older twin even though it's seconds. Yeah.

1509
01:15:03,893 --> 01:15:05,812
Speaker 3: And that must have been particularly half of Julian, because

1510
01:15:05,812 --> 01:15:09,173
Speaker 3: you do hear that those twins have their connection wherever

1511
01:15:09,213 --> 01:15:10,812
Speaker 3: they are in the world, there's just that connection if

1512
01:15:10,853 --> 01:15:12,772
Speaker 3: you're a twin, whether that's straw or not. I'm not

1513
01:15:12,853 --> 01:15:14,253
Speaker 3: a twin, I don't know, but yeah.

1514
01:15:14,173 --> 01:15:16,253
Speaker 2: Well you think that you're asking me, is you think

1515
01:15:16,253 --> 01:15:17,932
Speaker 2: it's true that they've got a psychic connection?

1516
01:15:18,213 --> 01:15:18,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon?

1517
01:15:21,093 --> 01:15:23,412
Speaker 2: It's funny though, because you know that's not true. You

1518
01:15:23,532 --> 01:15:26,253
Speaker 2: know that twins. Twins don't have a psychic connection, but

1519
01:15:26,333 --> 01:15:28,653
Speaker 2: we all think they do. Yeah, we all imagine.

1520
01:15:28,333 --> 01:15:31,053
Speaker 3: Movies have lied to us. One hundred eighty ten eighty.

1521
01:15:31,213 --> 01:15:32,412
Speaker 2: That was a great story from Julian.

1522
01:15:33,093 --> 01:15:35,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1523
01:15:35,452 --> 01:15:36,852
Speaker 3: It is ten to three.

1524
01:15:38,452 --> 01:15:40,852
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1525
01:15:40,933 --> 01:15:44,173
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo

1526
01:15:44,532 --> 01:15:47,612
Speaker 1: xc N eighty Innovation, Style and Design, have it all

1527
01:15:47,853 --> 01:15:48,572
Speaker 1: News Talk.

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01:15:48,492 --> 01:15:53,173
Speaker 3: Said, be afternoon, Phil. Have you had a moment where

1529
01:15:53,253 --> 01:15:55,692
Speaker 3: you fell out with a sibling or other family member?

1530
01:15:57,492 --> 01:15:57,532
Speaker 4: No?

1531
01:15:57,812 --> 01:15:59,333
Speaker 15: No, okay, mate.

1532
01:16:00,652 --> 01:16:02,333
Speaker 5: And mess No.

1533
01:16:02,612 --> 01:16:05,412
Speaker 19: No, Unfortunately I haven't got any an idy child. But

1534
01:16:05,893 --> 01:16:07,572
Speaker 19: there's a couple of things I wanted to touch on.

1535
01:16:07,732 --> 01:16:10,532
Speaker 19: Onezo a bit different, but the same sort of thing.

1536
01:16:10,692 --> 01:16:16,492
Speaker 19: But yeah, Firstly, my mother had three brothers and she

1537
01:16:16,572 --> 01:16:18,772
Speaker 19: had a couple of issues with a couple of them,

1538
01:16:18,853 --> 01:16:20,852
Speaker 19: and we always used to go there and stay on

1539
01:16:20,893 --> 01:16:23,932
Speaker 19: holidays and that, and they were always glad to see

1540
01:16:23,973 --> 01:16:27,333
Speaker 19: her and they loved her. But she kind of got

1541
01:16:27,412 --> 01:16:30,133
Speaker 19: a few things, you know, issues in her mind with them,

1542
01:16:30,173 --> 01:16:31,572
Speaker 19: that sort of thing. And I always felt that it

1543
01:16:31,692 --> 01:16:34,892
Speaker 19: was such a shame, so sad because being an only

1544
01:16:35,053 --> 01:16:37,732
Speaker 19: child and these were my uncles. I used to look

1545
01:16:37,772 --> 01:16:39,692
Speaker 19: at it like, Gee, I wish I had brothers and

1546
01:16:39,772 --> 01:16:42,053
Speaker 19: sisters that loved me, you know, and we might have

1547
01:16:42,173 --> 01:16:44,492
Speaker 19: differences in that, but they're always glad to see her,

1548
01:16:45,652 --> 01:16:50,492
Speaker 19: and yeah, she I don't know how to say it,

1549
01:16:50,612 --> 01:16:53,932
Speaker 19: but sometimes couldn't see that, you know, But I could

1550
01:16:54,053 --> 01:16:56,293
Speaker 19: because I was sort of even though it was a

1551
01:16:56,973 --> 01:17:01,692
Speaker 19: son and a grand grandchild, I could see it from

1552
01:17:01,732 --> 01:17:04,732
Speaker 19: the outside of someone's perspective of looking in without brothers

1553
01:17:04,772 --> 01:17:07,412
Speaker 19: and sisters saying, Gee, they love you. Why can't you

1554
01:17:07,532 --> 01:17:09,213
Speaker 19: see it? And why are you so angry at them?

1555
01:17:09,253 --> 01:17:09,652
Speaker 19: At times?

1556
01:17:09,732 --> 01:17:12,133
Speaker 2: You know, I was just sort of saying that before

1557
01:17:12,572 --> 01:17:15,732
Speaker 2: everyone looks out other families and go wish mine was

1558
01:17:15,732 --> 01:17:17,852
Speaker 2: like that, there's something wrong with mine. I had three sisters,

1559
01:17:17,893 --> 01:17:20,053
Speaker 2: always wanted a brother. But then you talk to other

1560
01:17:20,093 --> 01:17:22,253
Speaker 2: people that had their brother and they had massive problems

1561
01:17:22,293 --> 01:17:24,572
Speaker 2: with their brothers. You don't have any brothers and sisters,

1562
01:17:24,612 --> 01:17:26,772
Speaker 2: so you think that people falling out of their brothers

1563
01:17:26,772 --> 01:17:29,252
Speaker 2: and sisters. You've got this opportunity to have this relationship

1564
01:17:29,293 --> 01:17:31,852
Speaker 2: that you don't, so you, for you, it must be like,

1565
01:17:31,933 --> 01:17:34,493
Speaker 2: come on, just get together. You've got this amazing opportunity.

1566
01:17:35,652 --> 01:17:35,812
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1567
01:17:35,933 --> 01:17:37,692
Speaker 19: Yeah, it is because for me a lot of times,

1568
01:17:37,772 --> 01:17:40,932
Speaker 19: like I'm fifty six now and both my parents are gone,

1569
01:17:41,452 --> 01:17:48,052
Speaker 19: and so for me, I always sort of the world

1570
01:17:48,093 --> 01:17:49,973
Speaker 19: can be a very lonely place at times, you know,

1571
01:17:50,053 --> 01:17:52,812
Speaker 19: and for me, like you say, like sometimes all you

1572
01:17:52,853 --> 01:17:55,372
Speaker 19: have is family to fall back on, you know, or

1573
01:17:55,692 --> 01:17:57,652
Speaker 19: be to support you. But the other thing I wanted

1574
01:17:57,652 --> 01:17:59,253
Speaker 19: to say, and that's why I think it's so sad too.

1575
01:18:00,013 --> 01:18:02,333
Speaker 19: And now the thing because I understand things happened, you know,

1576
01:18:02,452 --> 01:18:05,732
Speaker 19: we know you we're human beings, an emotional and that,

1577
01:18:05,853 --> 01:18:07,973
Speaker 19: and it's hard to control those at most sometimes. But

1578
01:18:08,812 --> 01:18:11,013
Speaker 19: the other thing, the slightly different thing was that I

1579
01:18:11,093 --> 01:18:14,053
Speaker 19: was wanting to say too, was that my grandfather was

1580
01:18:14,053 --> 01:18:16,532
Speaker 19: from Northern Ireland and I don't have no much history

1581
01:18:16,532 --> 01:18:18,253
Speaker 19: and he got killed and I was a baby and

1582
01:18:18,372 --> 01:18:20,133
Speaker 19: no one want to talk here, and no one sort

1583
01:18:20,173 --> 01:18:24,452
Speaker 19: of talked about about Granddad and his home in Northern Ireland,

1584
01:18:24,452 --> 01:18:26,093
Speaker 19: where he came from, what happened and why he left

1585
01:18:26,133 --> 01:18:28,692
Speaker 19: in that but he came out with her brother. So

1586
01:18:28,933 --> 01:18:32,253
Speaker 19: uncle Sam, who I was always told was my uncle

1587
01:18:32,293 --> 01:18:35,253
Speaker 19: and I was one of Granddad's brothers, and he lived

1588
01:18:35,253 --> 01:18:37,893
Speaker 19: in the same town for years and years as my

1589
01:18:38,053 --> 01:18:40,452
Speaker 19: father and my father got a set too, and the

1590
01:18:40,492 --> 01:18:44,293
Speaker 19: great distubborn, bloody Irish as they say, got a set

1591
01:18:44,372 --> 01:18:46,372
Speaker 19: to and a grudge against Sam and blame them for

1592
01:18:46,452 --> 01:18:49,293
Speaker 19: some kind of thing to do with the death of

1593
01:18:49,933 --> 01:18:51,973
Speaker 19: his mother. And he wanted to talk to him and

1594
01:18:52,412 --> 01:18:54,572
Speaker 19: for years and years, and he never took me around

1595
01:18:54,652 --> 01:18:57,372
Speaker 19: to see him. So I missed out. And Sam died,

1596
01:18:57,412 --> 01:18:59,412
Speaker 19: and funnily enough, the old man ended up going to

1597
01:18:59,492 --> 01:19:02,253
Speaker 19: his funeral after being in the same town for twenty

1598
01:19:02,372 --> 01:19:04,093
Speaker 19: years and never talking to him. Are going to see

1599
01:19:04,133 --> 01:19:05,972
Speaker 19: him or thirty years? This was just down in Gore,

1600
01:19:07,213 --> 01:19:10,652
Speaker 19: So I missed out. That denoyed me the opportunity to

1601
01:19:10,732 --> 01:19:13,372
Speaker 19: go around to see him, find out about Yeah, my

1602
01:19:13,492 --> 01:19:14,812
Speaker 19: grandfather and family and that.

1603
01:19:15,213 --> 01:19:17,333
Speaker 2: Well we've got to go now. Phil. Thank you so

1604
01:19:17,452 --> 01:19:18,812
Speaker 2: much for your story. But that's a good point, and

1605
01:19:18,933 --> 01:19:21,293
Speaker 2: you know your grudges mean that other peoples can miss

1606
01:19:21,333 --> 01:19:25,213
Speaker 2: out on family members as well. When we come back

1607
01:19:25,452 --> 01:19:28,452
Speaker 2: in a couple of minutes, I'll share the results of

1608
01:19:28,532 --> 01:19:32,333
Speaker 2: this eighty five year old Harvard study around family and grudges.

1609
01:19:32,532 --> 01:19:35,452
Speaker 3: Yeap, looking forward to that. It is four minutes to three,

1610
01:19:35,532 --> 01:19:38,652
Speaker 3: New Sport and weather on its way. Thank you very

1611
01:19:38,732 --> 01:19:41,492
Speaker 3: much as always for your company. Listening to Matt and Tyler.

1612
01:19:41,652 --> 01:20:11,532
Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you, talking with.

1613
01:20:11,652 --> 01:20:12,773
Speaker 4: You all afternoon.

1614
01:20:13,013 --> 01:20:16,692
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo X

1615
01:20:17,013 --> 01:20:17,932
Speaker 1: ninety News Talks.

1616
01:20:18,173 --> 01:20:22,133
Speaker 3: Be good afternoon, Welcome back to the show. Six past three.

1617
01:20:22,492 --> 01:20:25,732
Speaker 3: We've had for the past hour are pretty confronting but

1618
01:20:25,893 --> 01:20:30,773
Speaker 3: also a very good discussion about times that sibling relationships

1619
01:20:30,812 --> 01:20:34,412
Speaker 3: have broken down. And we had some pretty powerful texts

1620
01:20:34,452 --> 01:20:35,812
Speaker 3: came through on nine two nineteen.

1621
01:20:36,093 --> 01:20:37,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to move on, but before we did,

1622
01:20:38,093 --> 01:20:40,052
Speaker 2: people have gone to the effort. This hundreds of texts

1623
01:20:40,093 --> 01:20:42,652
Speaker 2: being sent through and people have gone to the effort.

1624
01:20:42,652 --> 01:20:44,492
Speaker 2: They're quite long text and I thought, come, we've got

1625
01:20:44,572 --> 01:20:46,372
Speaker 2: to read some of them out. Yeah, got it. We're

1626
01:20:46,612 --> 01:20:49,812
Speaker 2: too busy. Last it feels unfair if we don't read

1627
01:20:49,853 --> 01:20:50,572
Speaker 2: some of these out right.

1628
01:20:50,692 --> 01:20:53,013
Speaker 3: Absolutely my past hours. So let's get to some of

1629
01:20:53,053 --> 01:20:56,932
Speaker 3: them now. This one says my brother is a pastor.

1630
01:20:57,133 --> 01:20:59,093
Speaker 3: I smoke and drink and I ended up being the

1631
01:20:59,173 --> 01:21:01,972
Speaker 3: blank sheep of the family. Is my family said I'm

1632
01:21:02,013 --> 01:21:04,812
Speaker 3: a sinner. None of us will change, and we had

1633
01:21:04,893 --> 01:21:07,732
Speaker 3: many full fallouts over time. We get together and I

1634
01:21:07,772 --> 01:21:10,093
Speaker 3: don't say any think now about religion, and my brother

1635
01:21:10,173 --> 01:21:12,732
Speaker 3: doesn't say I'm a sinner. It is working, all right

1636
01:21:12,772 --> 01:21:15,532
Speaker 3: from Steve. That's tough.

1637
01:21:17,612 --> 01:21:22,572
Speaker 2: That's funny. Yeah, so that seems like there's a classic

1638
01:21:22,612 --> 01:21:24,133
Speaker 2: story that one isn't It certainly is.

1639
01:21:24,253 --> 01:21:25,612
Speaker 3: Yes, the family.

1640
01:21:25,933 --> 01:21:28,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, my brother made some stupid decisions that meant he

1641
01:21:28,893 --> 01:21:30,812
Speaker 2: ended up in jail, and after he got out he

1642
01:21:30,893 --> 01:21:33,732
Speaker 2: finally changed et cetera. But we had no contact for

1643
01:21:33,772 --> 01:21:35,692
Speaker 2: about four or five years. Now we get on fine.

1644
01:21:36,093 --> 01:21:38,452
Speaker 2: He has a young family and they love hanging out

1645
01:21:38,532 --> 01:21:39,013
Speaker 2: with each other.

1646
01:21:39,213 --> 01:21:39,732
Speaker 3: That's nice.

1647
01:21:40,652 --> 01:21:40,893
Speaker 5: There you go.

1648
01:21:40,973 --> 01:21:43,333
Speaker 2: It's a positive one. This one here jail.

1649
01:21:43,893 --> 01:21:46,213
Speaker 3: Kay, guys, I haven't spoken to my sister now for

1650
01:21:46,293 --> 01:21:48,852
Speaker 3: three years. When my mom died, her wishes were to

1651
01:21:48,893 --> 01:21:51,133
Speaker 3: be cremated and then have her ashes put in a

1652
01:21:51,173 --> 01:21:54,372
Speaker 3: box and buried under a tree in the cemetery. So

1653
01:21:54,652 --> 01:21:57,213
Speaker 3: what did my sisters do? She scattered them, which made

1654
01:21:57,293 --> 01:22:02,132
Speaker 3: me incredibly upset. Sisters, Ah, I prefer my friends from Marlene.

1655
01:22:02,412 --> 01:22:06,133
Speaker 2: That's a that's a bold move. So when my mom

1656
01:22:06,893 --> 01:22:09,532
Speaker 2: she wanted her, it's just put in a boxing and

1657
01:22:09,692 --> 01:22:11,852
Speaker 2: she's got Yeah. Okay, that's out of spite.

1658
01:22:11,973 --> 01:22:14,853
Speaker 3: That is Yeah, that's incredibly topic.

1659
01:22:14,572 --> 01:22:14,852
Speaker 2: Isn't it.

1660
01:22:15,133 --> 01:22:15,333
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1661
01:22:17,893 --> 01:22:19,452
Speaker 2: I was going to tell a story about someone that's

1662
01:22:19,452 --> 01:22:22,173
Speaker 2: asked me to commit a vengeful act on someone else

1663
01:22:22,293 --> 01:22:25,013
Speaker 2: with his eshes. He's sworn me I'm not going to

1664
01:22:25,053 --> 01:22:28,652
Speaker 2: give them the details actually, because yeah, ever.

1665
01:22:28,532 --> 01:22:29,173
Speaker 3: Think about that one.

1666
01:22:29,213 --> 01:22:32,053
Speaker 2: That sounds like I know someone, when they die, we're

1667
01:22:32,053 --> 01:22:33,732
Speaker 2: going to cremate him, and then I'm going to commit

1668
01:22:33,772 --> 01:22:39,892
Speaker 2: a vengeful act on someone else with the HI guys

1669
01:22:39,933 --> 01:22:43,892
Speaker 2: would love to call but bad reception. I think because

1670
01:22:43,933 --> 01:22:46,093
Speaker 2: you both appear to have wonderful families, it's hard for

1671
01:22:46,173 --> 01:22:48,092
Speaker 2: you to get your head around cutting them off. Tyler

1672
01:22:48,492 --> 01:22:50,572
Speaker 2: just made the point that his dad said it's for

1673
01:22:50,652 --> 01:22:52,972
Speaker 2: the best. He would be upset, but he couldn't cut

1674
01:22:53,053 --> 01:22:56,013
Speaker 2: him off. Tyler, what if your dad said such an

1675
01:22:56,173 --> 01:22:59,812
Speaker 2: insensitive thing constantly? Could you be patient enough to constantly

1676
01:22:59,853 --> 01:23:02,492
Speaker 2: forgive him, but I bet eventually you would snap and

1677
01:23:02,612 --> 01:23:05,412
Speaker 2: your life would be better without him. That's from Craig.

1678
01:23:05,612 --> 01:23:07,293
Speaker 2: I mean that that's true, that that is the elephant

1679
01:23:07,333 --> 01:23:09,532
Speaker 2: in the room for both of us commenting on this

1680
01:23:09,652 --> 01:23:12,052
Speaker 2: and going, well, I think you should patch it all together,

1681
01:23:12,173 --> 01:23:15,293
Speaker 2: and you can. And stuff is that we've both got good,

1682
01:23:15,652 --> 01:23:19,133
Speaker 2: you know, good relationships with their families, and we've been

1683
01:23:19,213 --> 01:23:22,253
Speaker 2: lucky in that regard. So me me saying I would

1684
01:23:22,293 --> 01:23:24,852
Speaker 2: never have a grudge with my sisters and never stopped

1685
01:23:24,853 --> 01:23:27,133
Speaker 2: talking to them as a testament to what great sisters

1686
01:23:27,173 --> 01:23:28,133
Speaker 2: I've got, which is pure luck.

1687
01:23:28,253 --> 01:23:28,412
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1688
01:23:28,452 --> 01:23:30,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, and easy for me to say as well, you're

1689
01:23:30,133 --> 01:23:30,732
Speaker 3: quite right.

1690
01:23:31,053 --> 01:23:34,532
Speaker 2: Or maybe they're great because I'm such a great brother. Hey, guys,

1691
01:23:34,572 --> 01:23:38,012
Speaker 2: I think before you grudge, I lost my best Hey guys,

1692
01:23:38,133 --> 01:23:40,492
Speaker 2: think before you grudge. I lost my best friends suddenly.

1693
01:23:41,173 --> 01:23:44,492
Speaker 2: One year ago. I lost my best friend suddenly, brother

1694
01:23:44,612 --> 01:23:47,532
Speaker 2: one year ago. I'm absolutely devastated. I thank god we

1695
01:23:47,692 --> 01:23:50,093
Speaker 2: never had one argument. He was fifty eight and I'm

1696
01:23:50,093 --> 01:23:52,572
Speaker 2: in my sixties. That's Kathy. Yeah, I mean, that's the

1697
01:23:52,612 --> 01:23:54,253
Speaker 2: other thing with a grudge is you don't know what's

1698
01:23:54,293 --> 01:23:55,692
Speaker 2: going to happen in the next You've got to make

1699
01:23:55,732 --> 01:23:59,012
Speaker 2: sure that their grudge is worth it, because you can't

1700
01:23:59,093 --> 01:24:00,852
Speaker 2: you can't really do much about it once they've gone.

1701
01:24:01,013 --> 01:24:01,213
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1702
01:24:01,372 --> 01:24:04,892
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Now you mentioned before the news when it comes

1703
01:24:04,933 --> 01:24:07,972
Speaker 3: to grudges, there was a particular study that was done

1704
01:24:08,013 --> 01:24:09,572
Speaker 3: on the effects of holding a groach.

1705
01:24:10,133 --> 01:24:15,372
Speaker 2: Well, this study is it's the longest study that's ever

1706
01:24:15,452 --> 01:24:17,372
Speaker 2: been done on human happiness. It was an eighty five

1707
01:24:17,492 --> 01:24:21,133
Speaker 2: year old, eighty five year Harvard study, and so it

1708
01:24:21,253 --> 01:24:25,772
Speaker 2: found one thousand young people in Boston and followed them

1709
01:24:25,772 --> 01:24:31,693
Speaker 2: for their entire life eighty five years. And it was originally, interestingly,

1710
01:24:31,732 --> 01:24:35,452
Speaker 2: it was originally commissioned by a department store that wanted

1711
01:24:35,492 --> 01:24:38,213
Speaker 2: to find out if happiness made better employees. But they

1712
01:24:38,333 --> 01:24:40,772
Speaker 2: was taken on by Harvard University and it was kept

1713
01:24:40,853 --> 01:24:44,293
Speaker 2: going eighty one years. And the psychiatrist that ran it

1714
01:24:44,333 --> 01:24:48,893
Speaker 2: as a guy called Robert Walmdanger, and he ran it

1715
01:24:48,933 --> 01:24:50,173
Speaker 2: for some of it. There'd been a few others, but

1716
01:24:50,213 --> 01:24:52,532
Speaker 2: it went for so long. But in the end, after

1717
01:24:52,612 --> 01:24:57,013
Speaker 2: all of the happiness everything, they summed up exactly what

1718
01:24:57,173 --> 01:25:00,692
Speaker 2: the difference between happiness and a lack of happiness in

1719
01:25:00,812 --> 01:25:04,213
Speaker 2: life was. After eighty five years and all the different things.

1720
01:25:04,253 --> 01:25:09,732
Speaker 2: And this is a quote from from Robert Waldinger. Contrary

1721
01:25:09,732 --> 01:25:13,053
Speaker 2: to what you might think, it's not career achievement, money, exercise,

1722
01:25:13,213 --> 01:25:15,892
Speaker 2: or a healthy diet. The most consistent finding we've learned

1723
01:25:15,973 --> 01:25:20,053
Speaker 2: through eighty five years of study is positive relationships up

1724
01:25:20,213 --> 01:25:24,732
Speaker 2: keep us happier, healthier, and help us live longer. Period.

1725
01:25:25,213 --> 01:25:29,852
Speaker 2: And his advice was get over grudges. Yeah, so after

1726
01:25:29,933 --> 01:25:32,972
Speaker 2: an eighty five year study, he found that the people

1727
01:25:33,013 --> 01:25:35,013
Speaker 2: that keept grudges were less happy, and the people that

1728
01:25:35,053 --> 01:25:37,412
Speaker 2: got over them were happier on the whole. And obviously

1729
01:25:37,412 --> 01:25:39,772
Speaker 2: there's ones you can't go. There's terrible things people do.

1730
01:25:40,173 --> 01:25:43,452
Speaker 2: But if you can tend towards getting overgrudges and patching

1731
01:25:43,532 --> 01:25:46,652
Speaker 2: up relationships with people, be their friends and family, then

1732
01:25:47,013 --> 01:25:49,133
Speaker 2: you have a happier and healthier life. That's a great

1733
01:25:49,372 --> 01:25:50,772
Speaker 2: according to an eighty five year study.

1734
01:25:50,893 --> 01:25:53,612
Speaker 3: Yep, that's a great way to end that. Right after

1735
01:25:54,093 --> 01:25:56,532
Speaker 3: we play some messages, we won't have a chat about

1736
01:25:56,692 --> 01:26:00,213
Speaker 3: tattoos and whether they are still to be in New Zealand.

1737
01:26:00,253 --> 01:26:03,492
Speaker 3: If you've got tattoos yourself, I've.

1738
01:26:03,372 --> 01:26:04,293
Speaker 2: Got some sweet tats.

1739
01:26:04,412 --> 01:26:06,293
Speaker 3: You do have some sweet test how many tattoos? Have

1740
01:26:06,333 --> 01:26:09,892
Speaker 3: you got all up five? I can see two of them.

1741
01:26:09,893 --> 01:26:10,692
Speaker 3: Where are the other three?

1742
01:26:11,572 --> 01:26:13,133
Speaker 2: You can see two of them. It's just one here.

1743
01:26:13,333 --> 01:26:15,772
Speaker 2: I've got this dinosaur with the getto Blaster. That's a

1744
01:26:15,772 --> 01:26:16,892
Speaker 2: pretty cool tat That is.

1745
01:26:16,893 --> 01:26:18,452
Speaker 3: A great story behind me.

1746
01:26:18,492 --> 01:26:21,133
Speaker 2: That actually might be the worst tattoo that anyone in

1747
01:26:21,213 --> 01:26:23,213
Speaker 2: the entire world has. That tattoo I've got on my

1748
01:26:23,572 --> 01:26:25,612
Speaker 2: on my left shoulder of a dinosaur or the getto Blaster?

1749
01:26:25,692 --> 01:26:27,093
Speaker 3: What does that say on the coat of arms? It's

1750
01:26:27,093 --> 01:26:28,013
Speaker 3: almost like a coat of arms?

1751
01:26:28,053 --> 01:26:29,732
Speaker 2: But has it got some sort of it says Matt

1752
01:26:29,812 --> 01:26:30,812
Speaker 2: Heath is the greatest?

1753
01:26:30,973 --> 01:26:31,213
Speaker 17: Does it?

1754
01:26:31,333 --> 01:26:31,692
Speaker 3: Hex thing?

1755
01:26:31,853 --> 01:26:33,652
Speaker 5: Yeah? It might be.

1756
01:26:34,532 --> 01:26:36,612
Speaker 2: It's the worst ttoever. It's not even factually true.

1757
01:26:37,093 --> 01:26:38,333
Speaker 3: Well what's the story behind that?

1758
01:26:38,812 --> 01:26:40,893
Speaker 2: Well, it's just at one point in my life I

1759
01:26:40,933 --> 01:26:44,093
Speaker 2: thought a dinosaur or the getto Blaster would be a

1760
01:26:44,093 --> 01:26:46,692
Speaker 2: cool thing to get tattooed on me, and then I

1761
01:26:46,812 --> 01:26:48,652
Speaker 2: changed the message on it. At one point it used

1762
01:26:48,692 --> 01:26:51,013
Speaker 2: to say something else. And on this the arm I've

1763
01:26:51,013 --> 01:26:53,612
Speaker 2: got like a I mean, I can go on, but

1764
01:26:53,893 --> 01:26:55,333
Speaker 2: this is just a sailing ship.

1765
01:26:55,572 --> 01:26:56,692
Speaker 3: There's very popeye, isn't it.

1766
01:26:56,812 --> 01:26:57,012
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1767
01:26:57,173 --> 01:27:00,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love your style, mate, that's great, But.

1768
01:27:01,093 --> 01:27:04,732
Speaker 2: Anyway, tattoos are they are they still to taboo after

1769
01:27:04,853 --> 01:27:08,133
Speaker 2: this this, this, this article today Tyler.

1770
01:27:07,973 --> 01:27:10,652
Speaker 3: Well, this particular guy, he's the founder of two Hands

1771
01:27:10,732 --> 01:27:15,253
Speaker 3: Tattoo Studio. His name is Stefan and Spider Sinclair and

1772
01:27:15,452 --> 01:27:18,092
Speaker 3: he reckons we are one of the most tattooed nations

1773
01:27:18,253 --> 01:27:21,452
Speaker 3: on the planet. But certainly in the past twenty thirty,

1774
01:27:21,532 --> 01:27:24,612
Speaker 3: forty to fifty years there has been some taboo around tattoos.

1775
01:27:24,652 --> 01:27:28,333
Speaker 3: He reckons Stefan that most of those taboos have gone

1776
01:27:28,412 --> 01:27:31,692
Speaker 3: by the wayside, But I would argue there are some

1777
01:27:32,093 --> 01:27:36,172
Speaker 3: tattoos that would still raise eyebrows. Neck tattoos, for example,

1778
01:27:36,572 --> 01:27:39,652
Speaker 3: even if those nick tattoos have no relation to any

1779
01:27:39,692 --> 01:27:43,173
Speaker 3: sort of gang activity or any sort of nefarious activity,

1780
01:27:43,452 --> 01:27:45,612
Speaker 3: I would still raise my eyebrows a little bit if

1781
01:27:45,652 --> 01:27:47,932
Speaker 3: I came across someone with a nick tattoo, I would

1782
01:27:47,973 --> 01:27:49,973
Speaker 3: want to know the story behind it. But part of

1783
01:27:50,013 --> 01:27:54,372
Speaker 3: me would still question, Hey, whether that is somewhat nefarious

1784
01:27:54,692 --> 01:27:56,652
Speaker 3: or whether that is just the trend of today.

1785
01:27:57,053 --> 01:28:00,173
Speaker 2: It's a bold move. Certainly is because you don't know.

1786
01:28:00,333 --> 01:28:01,933
Speaker 2: You're saying that this is what you're going to be

1787
01:28:02,013 --> 01:28:03,213
Speaker 2: for the rest of your life. I mean, you can

1788
01:28:03,293 --> 01:28:07,133
Speaker 2: get them laser removed. But I'm sure there are people

1789
01:28:07,612 --> 01:28:12,133
Speaker 2: And even if if look, even if you wouldn't think

1790
01:28:12,213 --> 01:28:14,692
Speaker 2: that you would be judgmental of a tattoo, you might

1791
01:28:14,772 --> 01:28:16,852
Speaker 2: be hiring someone and you might just look at that

1792
01:28:17,013 --> 01:28:19,892
Speaker 2: neck tattoo and go wow, that's a pretty extreme thing

1793
01:28:19,933 --> 01:28:21,852
Speaker 2: to do. I wonder if that person thinks about the

1794
01:28:21,893 --> 01:28:24,973
Speaker 2: future enough. Yeah, you know, whilst you're not actually judging them,

1795
01:28:25,093 --> 01:28:26,492
Speaker 2: you might you might think about that.

1796
01:28:26,812 --> 01:28:29,732
Speaker 3: Because we all love shortcuts, right when you first meet someone,

1797
01:28:29,893 --> 01:28:33,652
Speaker 3: you've got the subconscious shortcuts that we all make. And

1798
01:28:33,812 --> 01:28:35,932
Speaker 3: I reckon there'd still be for a lot of people

1799
01:28:36,013 --> 01:28:39,612
Speaker 3: that subconscious thing when they see a tattoo, particularly neck tattoo,

1800
01:28:40,173 --> 01:28:42,572
Speaker 3: instantly they would think that person's got a bit of

1801
01:28:42,652 --> 01:28:45,173
Speaker 3: a bit of a past on them. Yeah, but am

1802
01:28:45,213 --> 01:28:45,572
Speaker 3: I wrong?

1803
01:28:45,853 --> 01:28:50,532
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know. Is there still a tattoo taboo

1804
01:28:51,333 --> 01:28:54,053
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty or nine two nine two,

1805
01:28:54,492 --> 01:28:56,772
Speaker 2: Or if you've got your a tattoo that you regret,

1806
01:28:57,452 --> 01:28:59,612
Speaker 2: then would love to hear from you too. And if

1807
01:28:59,652 --> 01:29:02,972
Speaker 2: you've got an intense tattoo that the world can see

1808
01:29:03,013 --> 01:29:04,612
Speaker 2: that you don't regret, we'd also love to hear from you.

1809
01:29:04,732 --> 01:29:04,852
Speaker 4: Yep.

1810
01:29:04,893 --> 01:29:07,412
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1811
01:29:07,572 --> 01:29:10,213
Speaker 3: It is a quarter past three. You're listening to matt

1812
01:29:10,293 --> 01:29:14,453
Speaker 3: entirely good afternoon news talks. Thereb we're talking about tattoos

1813
01:29:14,452 --> 01:29:17,612
Speaker 3: in New Zealand society. Oh and we've been delivered some

1814
01:29:17,772 --> 01:29:22,052
Speaker 3: beautiful healthy treats. There's a lot of sillad on that sandwich.

1815
01:29:22,372 --> 01:29:25,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's not How.

1816
01:29:25,532 --> 01:29:26,972
Speaker 3: Much do we want to say here about what's being

1817
01:29:26,973 --> 01:29:27,452
Speaker 3: delivered here?

1818
01:29:28,893 --> 01:29:31,053
Speaker 2: Does my current diaxon, you know, like I'm trying to

1819
01:29:31,093 --> 01:29:34,412
Speaker 2: get healthy? Does that include sausage rolls, um min spies?

1820
01:29:34,492 --> 01:29:34,932
Speaker 2: I think it does.

1821
01:29:36,933 --> 01:29:39,293
Speaker 3: Let's go to it all right, back to tattoos. We've

1822
01:29:39,293 --> 01:29:43,093
Speaker 3: asked the question is there still taboo around tattoos in

1823
01:29:43,173 --> 01:29:46,652
Speaker 3: New Zealand, particularly around the neck and heads. There's the

1824
01:29:46,812 --> 01:29:51,452
Speaker 3: founder of two Hands Tattoo Studio, Steph Spider Sinclair, and

1825
01:29:51,612 --> 01:29:54,132
Speaker 3: he reckons New Zealand is one of the most tattooed

1826
01:29:54,333 --> 01:29:56,372
Speaker 3: nations in the planet. So love to hear from you.

1827
01:29:56,853 --> 01:29:59,213
Speaker 3: If you've had a tattoo you regret, or if you're

1828
01:29:59,293 --> 01:30:01,293
Speaker 3: heavily tattooed yourself, what was the appeal for.

1829
01:30:01,293 --> 01:30:03,173
Speaker 2: You I'm professional for you to be eating on the

1830
01:30:03,173 --> 01:30:03,812
Speaker 2: air trailer.

1831
01:30:04,253 --> 01:30:07,772
Speaker 3: How's how's that beautiful healthy salad that you're chewing into.

1832
01:30:08,013 --> 01:30:09,612
Speaker 2: I'm just be very careful not to split anything on

1833
01:30:09,652 --> 01:30:13,733
Speaker 2: the floor with with the Godfather back with my costing.

1834
01:30:13,452 --> 01:30:15,412
Speaker 3: Heat, he won't be happy. This was a clean studio.

1835
01:30:15,612 --> 01:30:17,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's right that that New Zealand's one

1836
01:30:17,652 --> 01:30:19,492
Speaker 2: of the most tattooed places in the world. You go overseas,

1837
01:30:19,772 --> 01:30:23,133
Speaker 2: but so many tattoos in New Zealand. But also we

1838
01:30:23,213 --> 01:30:25,932
Speaker 2: walk around and sing singlets a lot more than other people.

1839
01:30:26,013 --> 01:30:28,253
Speaker 2: I mean, if you go to Paris, everyone's wearing a

1840
01:30:28,452 --> 01:30:30,732
Speaker 2: fancy suit, you know, so you don't see that kind

1841
01:30:30,732 --> 01:30:31,052
Speaker 2: of stuff.

1842
01:30:31,412 --> 01:30:33,452
Speaker 3: It was a long time ago since I've been in Thailand,

1843
01:30:33,532 --> 01:30:35,133
Speaker 3: but a lot of Russians in Thailand they love a

1844
01:30:35,173 --> 01:30:39,213
Speaker 3: good tattoo. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, eight ten eighty

1845
01:30:39,293 --> 01:30:40,852
Speaker 3: is a number to call. Get a cameron.

1846
01:30:41,973 --> 01:30:43,532
Speaker 11: Hey, how's it going, leads good?

1847
01:30:43,692 --> 01:30:45,973
Speaker 3: Now you have got a lot of tats.

1848
01:30:46,772 --> 01:30:50,173
Speaker 11: Yeah yeah, pretty far of my body at this point.

1849
01:30:50,893 --> 01:30:53,612
Speaker 11: Not much on the face, a little bit, my whole

1850
01:30:53,692 --> 01:30:58,612
Speaker 11: head's done, my hands, arms full, upper body, back, front, Yeah,

1851
01:30:58,973 --> 01:31:01,253
Speaker 11: a few spaces on on the legs, a few spaces

1852
01:31:01,293 --> 01:31:04,133
Speaker 11: on the face, but I probably won't go there, you know.

1853
01:31:04,612 --> 01:31:10,133
Speaker 2: Did you have you ever worried that that might employment options?

1854
01:31:11,812 --> 01:31:15,732
Speaker 11: Yeah, definitely a concern, but funnily enough, I've probably been

1855
01:31:15,853 --> 01:31:20,972
Speaker 11: more successful with since I've had the tattoos then before

1856
01:31:20,973 --> 01:31:23,372
Speaker 11: I had them. So I'm in a pretty high paying

1857
01:31:23,492 --> 01:31:28,093
Speaker 11: job doing really well. No financial employment issues, So yeah,

1858
01:31:28,173 --> 01:31:31,293
Speaker 11: I have a worry, but it hasn't been an issue.

1859
01:31:31,812 --> 01:31:34,893
Speaker 2: So did you get your job through a job interviews?

1860
01:31:35,133 --> 01:31:39,532
Speaker 2: So you sat down with your potential bloet and did

1861
01:31:39,572 --> 01:31:42,213
Speaker 2: you see their eyes creeping around your tattoos at all?

1862
01:31:43,692 --> 01:31:44,253
Speaker 11: A little bit?

1863
01:31:44,452 --> 01:31:44,652
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1864
01:31:44,732 --> 01:31:46,772
Speaker 11: But I mean as long as you have the skills

1865
01:31:46,812 --> 01:31:49,213
Speaker 11: and you know what you're doing, I don't think it's

1866
01:31:49,253 --> 01:31:49,692
Speaker 11: an issue.

1867
01:31:49,933 --> 01:31:50,133
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1868
01:31:50,293 --> 01:31:55,333
Speaker 3: Do you ever find people looking at you? Maybe slightly strangely, Cameron?

1869
01:31:55,372 --> 01:31:58,293
Speaker 3: And your daily life because you've got so many tattoos,

1870
01:31:58,452 --> 01:32:00,933
Speaker 3: you'd admit you would be quite unique. And even in

1871
01:32:01,013 --> 01:32:03,692
Speaker 3: New Zealand, do you find a few side glances when

1872
01:32:03,732 --> 01:32:05,412
Speaker 3: you're just going about your daily life?

1873
01:32:07,053 --> 01:32:07,572
Speaker 6: Very rarely?

1874
01:32:07,973 --> 01:32:10,612
Speaker 11: Usually you know old lady at a supermarket or something

1875
01:32:10,692 --> 01:32:14,372
Speaker 11: like that, but generally no, not really A do.

1876
01:32:14,372 --> 01:32:16,613
Speaker 2: You mind if I ask how old you are, Cameron.

1877
01:32:17,293 --> 01:32:20,293
Speaker 11: I'm thirty two, thirty two, so you've probably.

1878
01:32:20,053 --> 01:32:24,333
Speaker 2: Lived your whole life in an era where tattoos are

1879
01:32:24,772 --> 01:32:29,253
Speaker 2: more acceptable. I guess correct, because if say you were

1880
01:32:29,333 --> 01:32:33,413
Speaker 2: around I think in the in the eighties in nineties,

1881
01:32:33,853 --> 01:32:39,213
Speaker 2: potentially not so much. I mean tato is, yeah, because

1882
01:32:39,253 --> 01:32:41,133
Speaker 2: I imagine it would have been a major problem having

1883
01:32:41,173 --> 01:32:43,413
Speaker 2: the amount of tattoos you had in terms of employment,

1884
01:32:43,532 --> 01:32:45,333
Speaker 2: if it was even in the early two thousands.

1885
01:32:46,492 --> 01:32:49,412
Speaker 11: Yeah, I would agree. But look, you know, I just

1886
01:32:49,492 --> 01:32:52,412
Speaker 11: see it no different to dyeing your hair or putting

1887
01:32:52,492 --> 01:32:55,412
Speaker 11: on makeup, you know, putting paintings.

1888
01:32:55,053 --> 01:32:55,612
Speaker 6: On your walls.

1889
01:32:55,692 --> 01:32:59,772
Speaker 11: It's just art and self expression, you know that. So

1890
01:33:00,253 --> 01:33:02,372
Speaker 11: I don't think there's any issue with getting tattoos.

1891
01:33:03,133 --> 01:33:03,532
Speaker 3: Do you mind?

1892
01:33:03,692 --> 01:33:04,052
Speaker 6: Obviously?

1893
01:33:04,213 --> 01:33:06,532
Speaker 3: Do you mind talking about the reasons behind tattoos? Where

1894
01:33:06,612 --> 01:33:08,013
Speaker 3: your tattoos when people ask you?

1895
01:33:10,412 --> 01:33:11,852
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean it's a bit of a bit of

1896
01:33:11,893 --> 01:33:14,213
Speaker 11: a funny one. I don't really have heaps that have

1897
01:33:14,973 --> 01:33:18,012
Speaker 11: backstory or meaning, but it's just art to me. And yeah,

1898
01:33:18,013 --> 01:33:19,652
Speaker 11: but I don't mind talking about them at all. And

1899
01:33:20,253 --> 01:33:22,892
Speaker 11: now I've got a lot of friends that are tattoo artists,

1900
01:33:23,013 --> 01:33:26,572
Speaker 11: and so I'm around that culture quite a lot. I'm

1901
01:33:26,652 --> 01:33:27,532
Speaker 11: kind of used to it now.

1902
01:33:28,053 --> 01:33:30,692
Speaker 2: You got any regrets anyone's that you don't like anymore?

1903
01:33:32,333 --> 01:33:35,053
Speaker 11: No, no, not really. Every time I get a new

1904
01:33:35,173 --> 01:33:37,893
Speaker 11: big piece, like something on going up the side of

1905
01:33:37,973 --> 01:33:39,612
Speaker 11: my neck or when I got my head done there,

1906
01:33:39,893 --> 01:33:44,093
Speaker 11: there's a sort of initial regret for a day or two, like, oh, no,

1907
01:33:44,492 --> 01:33:46,892
Speaker 11: I have I taken a step too far this time?

1908
01:33:46,973 --> 01:33:51,012
Speaker 11: But once the mirror becomes familiar again, it's all good,

1909
01:33:51,173 --> 01:33:51,333
Speaker 11: you know.

1910
01:33:51,853 --> 01:33:53,772
Speaker 3: And how much do you reckon it's cost you a camera?

1911
01:33:54,853 --> 01:33:55,013
Speaker 15: Oh?

1912
01:33:56,053 --> 01:33:58,093
Speaker 11: Probably coming up to thirty thirty k.

1913
01:33:59,173 --> 01:34:00,652
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, i'd say so wow.

1914
01:34:01,173 --> 01:34:02,692
Speaker 2: And have you got a partner?

1915
01:34:03,732 --> 01:34:03,892
Speaker 5: Yes?

1916
01:34:03,973 --> 01:34:04,133
Speaker 14: I do?

1917
01:34:04,812 --> 01:34:07,812
Speaker 2: And does she enjoy your tattoos?

1918
01:34:09,253 --> 01:34:09,732
Speaker 5: I'd hope.

1919
01:34:09,772 --> 01:34:13,133
Speaker 11: So she's got quite a few tattoos.

1920
01:34:12,692 --> 01:34:15,293
Speaker 2: As well, so she's never saying, oh, come on, no,

1921
01:34:15,772 --> 01:34:17,333
Speaker 2: I want to I want that was a real. That

1922
01:34:17,452 --> 01:34:19,053
Speaker 2: was a real my favorite part of you. And now

1923
01:34:19,093 --> 01:34:20,652
Speaker 2: it's got to now it's got a picture on it.

1924
01:34:21,532 --> 01:34:22,452
Speaker 6: No, no, not quite.

1925
01:34:22,532 --> 01:34:24,973
Speaker 11: But I do have a nine month old little boy now,

1926
01:34:25,133 --> 01:34:28,333
Speaker 11: so sometimes, you know, carrying him around, I feel like

1927
01:34:28,452 --> 01:34:31,732
Speaker 11: I'm getting different looks, you know, through the daycare centers

1928
01:34:31,732 --> 01:34:35,293
Speaker 11: and whatnot. So that's maybe a little and inty bit

1929
01:34:35,372 --> 01:34:36,852
Speaker 11: of you know, side eye there.

1930
01:34:36,973 --> 01:34:39,093
Speaker 2: But have you have you thought about what age you

1931
01:34:39,253 --> 01:34:43,092
Speaker 2: would be okay with your your son getting tattooed.

1932
01:34:44,772 --> 01:34:46,333
Speaker 11: I haven't put a whole lot of thought into it,

1933
01:34:46,412 --> 01:34:49,093
Speaker 11: but I just you know, he can do whatever he wants.

1934
01:34:49,333 --> 01:34:50,652
Speaker 11: If he's into it, go for.

1935
01:34:50,732 --> 01:34:51,093
Speaker 9: It, you know.

1936
01:34:51,333 --> 01:34:54,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be pretty pretty tough for you to come

1937
01:34:54,253 --> 01:34:55,412
Speaker 2: down hard and forget.

1938
01:34:55,893 --> 01:34:58,213
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right, I mean hold off to you know,

1939
01:34:58,333 --> 01:35:00,973
Speaker 11: what you want to do. But whatever age that is

1940
01:35:01,053 --> 01:35:02,532
Speaker 11: for that person, all good.

1941
01:35:02,812 --> 01:35:03,012
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1942
01:35:03,093 --> 01:35:05,133
Speaker 2: And would you because I hear this quite a bat

1943
01:35:05,532 --> 01:35:08,612
Speaker 2: and you know, I've got not very many tattoos, nothing

1944
01:35:08,732 --> 01:35:12,173
Speaker 2: like you. But there's something about it that's quite addictive

1945
01:35:12,973 --> 01:35:15,492
Speaker 2: where you start thinking about having another one. There's something

1946
01:35:15,652 --> 01:35:19,093
Speaker 2: kind of about the way it feels. It's the pain

1947
01:35:19,173 --> 01:35:21,253
Speaker 2: of it. There's something that makes me want to have more.

1948
01:35:22,133 --> 01:35:22,732
Speaker 2: Do you do you get that?

1949
01:35:22,933 --> 01:35:23,412
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah?

1950
01:35:23,933 --> 01:35:24,133
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1951
01:35:24,253 --> 01:35:26,612
Speaker 11: At the start. Now I'm gone the opposite way. I've

1952
01:35:26,652 --> 01:35:29,293
Speaker 11: had a bit of a handful. It's getting Sora and

1953
01:35:29,412 --> 01:35:31,812
Speaker 11: Sora and I go, oh god, am I still doing

1954
01:35:31,893 --> 01:35:32,532
Speaker 11: this to myself?

1955
01:35:32,652 --> 01:35:32,812
Speaker 4: You know?

1956
01:35:33,013 --> 01:35:35,372
Speaker 11: But the end result is still worth it.

1957
01:35:35,612 --> 01:35:39,772
Speaker 3: Where was the most painful part to get the tattoo camera, the.

1958
01:35:40,293 --> 01:35:45,652
Speaker 11: Sort of above your belly button stomach carrier was bad, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1959
01:35:46,213 --> 01:35:49,812
Speaker 11: head obviously was pretty bad. Yeah, but I think anywhere

1960
01:35:49,853 --> 01:35:52,812
Speaker 11: where you've got you know, organs that don't want to

1961
01:35:52,812 --> 01:35:54,972
Speaker 11: be hurt around the spine and stuff.

1962
01:35:55,013 --> 01:35:55,173
Speaker 4: You know.

1963
01:35:55,492 --> 01:35:57,412
Speaker 11: Yeah, your body's saying stop that now.

1964
01:35:57,692 --> 01:36:02,932
Speaker 2: So generally, Cameron, no regrets. No, no, no regrets, Mate,

1965
01:36:03,412 --> 01:36:04,892
Speaker 2: ninety percent of your body no regrets.

1966
01:36:05,013 --> 01:36:05,333
Speaker 17: Love it.

1967
01:36:06,853 --> 01:36:09,612
Speaker 2: Calling Cameron, Appreciate it.

1968
01:36:09,812 --> 01:36:12,452
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

1969
01:36:12,532 --> 01:36:15,732
Speaker 3: call if you've had a tattoo recently. Love to hear

1970
01:36:15,772 --> 01:36:17,772
Speaker 3: from you, and if you've got one that you regret,

1971
01:36:18,412 --> 01:36:18,572
Speaker 3: and have.

1972
01:36:18,572 --> 01:36:21,053
Speaker 2: We got anyone out there with one hundred percent tattoos and.

1973
01:36:21,133 --> 01:36:23,213
Speaker 3: Can you beat Cameron? Oh eight one hundred and eighty

1974
01:36:23,213 --> 01:36:25,492
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. Twenty five past three,

1975
01:36:25,732 --> 01:36:26,612
Speaker 3: you're listening to Matt and.

1976
01:36:26,612 --> 01:36:34,972
Speaker 1: Tyler Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons, call OH eight hundred

1977
01:36:35,053 --> 01:36:37,492
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News TALGSB.

1978
01:36:37,692 --> 01:36:40,333
Speaker 3: News Talks B. It is twenty seven past three and

1979
01:36:40,372 --> 01:36:43,732
Speaker 3: we're talking about tattoos. Are they still taboo in New Zealand?

1980
01:36:43,772 --> 01:36:45,053
Speaker 3: This is on the Bank of a story in The

1981
01:36:45,133 --> 01:36:50,053
Speaker 3: Herald and Viva from Two Hands tattoo parlor owner Stefan Sinclair,

1982
01:36:50,333 --> 01:36:52,732
Speaker 3: who says we're one of the most tattooed nations on

1983
01:36:52,812 --> 01:36:57,213
Speaker 3: the planets. Tim, you've got a tatoo, gentlemen.

1984
01:36:57,333 --> 01:37:00,012
Speaker 16: Yeah, ka, mate, I've actually got a I've got a couple,

1985
01:37:00,133 --> 01:37:02,213
Speaker 16: and I think it's an each to your own fine

1986
01:37:02,253 --> 01:37:08,652
Speaker 16: of situation. Really, I compliment people on this tattoo esus

1987
01:37:08,973 --> 01:37:12,253
Speaker 16: if they're to my liking. If they're not, I don't

1988
01:37:12,253 --> 01:37:15,692
Speaker 16: shay anything, you know, why do that.

1989
01:37:15,933 --> 01:37:18,333
Speaker 2: It'll be confrontational, just after someone on the street and go,

1990
01:37:18,452 --> 01:37:20,133
Speaker 2: I don't like your tattoos, mate, that would be there

1991
01:37:20,133 --> 01:37:23,692
Speaker 2: would be a lot. So we're about worry about your tattoos, Tim,

1992
01:37:23,812 --> 01:37:26,732
Speaker 2: Are they can are they? Are they what's what's the

1993
01:37:26,732 --> 01:37:28,572
Speaker 2: word I'm looking for? Are they readily available?

1994
01:37:28,612 --> 01:37:28,812
Speaker 11: When you.

1995
01:37:30,372 --> 01:37:30,812
Speaker 2: They can see?

1996
01:37:30,812 --> 01:37:36,893
Speaker 16: It'd be very concealed, you know. I really choose not

1997
01:37:37,013 --> 01:37:41,093
Speaker 16: to share them with anyone, and I couldn't because you're

1998
01:37:41,133 --> 01:37:47,133
Speaker 16: about even feed into my clacker. After a colonoscopy. What so,

1999
01:37:48,293 --> 01:37:51,452
Speaker 16: after a colonoscopy, I had a couple of polyps removed

2000
01:37:51,492 --> 01:37:55,492
Speaker 16: each time to too polyps removed and they mark the

2001
01:37:55,572 --> 01:37:56,572
Speaker 16: site with a tattoo.

2002
01:37:57,492 --> 01:37:58,492
Speaker 3: I don't know they can do that.

2003
01:37:58,772 --> 01:38:01,572
Speaker 2: Is this is this like is this a medical it?

2004
01:38:01,652 --> 01:38:03,412
Speaker 2: Was it a medical procedure or was it?

2005
01:38:03,853 --> 01:38:07,572
Speaker 16: It's not a It wasn't it wasn't it wasn't recreation.

2006
01:38:08,532 --> 01:38:13,133
Speaker 16: You that right, No, it's definitely miracles a colonoscopy. And

2007
01:38:13,492 --> 01:38:17,093
Speaker 16: they they did tell me prior that they if they

2008
01:38:17,173 --> 01:38:18,532
Speaker 16: found anything, they would.

2009
01:38:18,452 --> 01:38:20,293
Speaker 6: You give it to Mark?

2010
01:38:20,692 --> 01:38:22,932
Speaker 2: Was it a love hat? I love mom?

2011
01:38:23,133 --> 01:38:27,772
Speaker 16: Or well I asked for a screaming eagle one year?

2012
01:38:28,333 --> 01:38:31,133
Speaker 16: Probably not so they had heard it all before that,

2013
01:38:31,293 --> 01:38:35,333
Speaker 16: he had. Yeah, Jacob, but you got to you gotta

2014
01:38:35,412 --> 01:38:37,613
Speaker 16: go for it because you're off your head on profofile

2015
01:38:37,732 --> 01:38:40,533
Speaker 16: or whatever it's anyway, and you funny.

2016
01:38:40,372 --> 01:38:43,772
Speaker 2: Or I do I enjoyed because of the drugs they

2017
01:38:43,812 --> 01:38:46,652
Speaker 2: gave me. Was yeah, you're so right. Yeah, you think

2018
01:38:46,652 --> 01:38:48,652
Speaker 2: you're the funniest person in the entire world. And they've

2019
01:38:48,692 --> 01:38:50,972
Speaker 2: done You're the tenth person they've done today that thinks

2020
01:38:51,013 --> 01:38:51,812
Speaker 2: of the funniest person.

2021
01:38:51,812 --> 01:38:52,893
Speaker 3: I'm suddenly looking forward to that.

2022
01:38:55,173 --> 01:38:57,532
Speaker 2: So so that that that those tedoo are they the

2023
01:38:57,612 --> 01:39:01,492
Speaker 2: only tatoos you've got the ones that, to.

2024
01:39:01,532 --> 01:39:05,372
Speaker 16: Be honest, I wouldn't been not for me on the outside,

2025
01:39:05,772 --> 01:39:09,253
Speaker 16: but I'm fond of my intern wise patoos.

2026
01:39:09,333 --> 01:39:12,652
Speaker 6: I know, I know they're there, and it.

2027
01:39:12,732 --> 01:39:16,212
Speaker 16: Gives me a gives me a warm glow sometimes literally.

2028
01:39:16,372 --> 01:39:18,293
Speaker 2: But yeah, oh well, hey, thank you so much for

2029
01:39:18,333 --> 01:39:20,013
Speaker 2: your cool term that those aren't going to affect you.

2030
01:39:20,492 --> 01:39:23,532
Speaker 2: You and a job interview, and that's it's very intimate.

2031
01:39:24,293 --> 01:39:27,772
Speaker 16: I would hope they wouldn't affect me at all at

2032
01:39:27,812 --> 01:39:31,253
Speaker 16: any time. Yeah, otherwise it's going to be a bad day.

2033
01:39:31,333 --> 01:39:36,452
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, thank you very much to appreciate that.

2034
01:39:36,612 --> 01:39:38,372
Speaker 3: I try not to be surprised in the land of

2035
01:39:38,452 --> 01:39:41,572
Speaker 3: talk back, but wow, that I was not expecting. That's

2036
01:39:41,612 --> 01:39:44,452
Speaker 3: sort of cool, trying to chat about tattoos that I like.

2037
01:39:44,973 --> 01:39:48,013
Speaker 2: Very the lead there. Hey, guys, my daughter, who's in

2038
01:39:48,093 --> 01:39:50,412
Speaker 2: her thirties now has many tattoos. As a mother, it

2039
01:39:50,492 --> 01:39:54,412
Speaker 2: was heartbreaking thinking of that perfect baby I gave birth to.

2040
01:39:54,532 --> 01:39:58,652
Speaker 2: It made me sad. Yeah, I can see that. I mean,

2041
01:39:59,133 --> 01:40:00,572
Speaker 2: my mother didn't talk to me for a week when

2042
01:40:00,572 --> 01:40:05,492
Speaker 2: I knocked my teeth out during some kind of stupid incident, because.

2043
01:40:05,253 --> 01:40:08,052
Speaker 3: She would have been very proud of your teeth, beautiful teeth.

2044
01:40:08,053 --> 01:40:09,933
Speaker 2: I A I got them knocked out. So you know,

2045
01:40:10,333 --> 01:40:12,692
Speaker 2: parents have a very different view of their child because

2046
01:40:12,853 --> 01:40:16,692
Speaker 2: you put so much effort and time and keeping them

2047
01:40:16,933 --> 01:40:19,333
Speaker 2: safe and looking after them and worrying about every rash

2048
01:40:19,412 --> 01:40:20,893
Speaker 2: they get and all that kind of stuff.

2049
01:40:20,732 --> 01:40:23,732
Speaker 3: Created this beautiful thing that is perfect in every way. Yeah,

2050
01:40:23,812 --> 01:40:25,412
Speaker 3: and you're just worried that maybe.

2051
01:40:25,253 --> 01:40:27,692
Speaker 2: And then they cover it in a I don't know,

2052
01:40:28,213 --> 01:40:30,333
Speaker 2: a massive dinosaur. The ghetto blast.

2053
01:40:31,293 --> 01:40:33,093
Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

2054
01:40:33,213 --> 01:40:36,092
Speaker 3: number to call love to hear from you about your tattoos.

2055
01:40:36,173 --> 01:40:37,892
Speaker 3: It is twenty nine to four.

2056
01:40:41,173 --> 01:40:44,692
Speaker 13: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

2057
01:40:44,772 --> 01:40:47,892
Speaker 13: no trouble with a blue bubble fine ar day. Police

2058
01:40:47,933 --> 01:40:51,452
Speaker 13: say the death of a motorbike rider yesterday is a homicide.

2059
01:40:51,853 --> 01:40:54,333
Speaker 13: They're asking for sighting so if it's blue and silver

2060
01:40:54,812 --> 01:40:58,692
Speaker 13: bike on State Highway fifteen between Mango Taipari and or

2061
01:40:58,812 --> 01:41:02,492
Speaker 13: Taker on Tuesday night or early Wednesday. He was found

2062
01:41:02,572 --> 01:41:04,973
Speaker 13: dead in the Northland Creek and his bike and a

2063
01:41:05,053 --> 01:41:09,333
Speaker 13: nearby lay by the Children's Minister has cas reviews of

2064
01:41:09,572 --> 01:41:13,653
Speaker 13: ung Tamariki contracts to stop the cancelation of the Bernado's

2065
01:41:13,933 --> 01:41:18,293
Speaker 13: eight hundred What's up hotline for under twelves. Rang Tamariki

2066
01:41:18,333 --> 01:41:23,772
Speaker 13: has been canceling contracts following a government directive to find savings. Meanwhile,

2067
01:41:23,812 --> 01:41:27,333
Speaker 13: the Housing Minister says it's good news kanga Ura will

2068
01:41:27,452 --> 01:41:31,652
Speaker 13: reopen tenders to let Kiwi will carpet suppliers try for

2069
01:41:31,732 --> 01:41:35,612
Speaker 13: the state housing contract. Organizers of the new cut price

2070
01:41:35,692 --> 01:41:39,372
Speaker 13: school lunch initiative so though, having a few early snags

2071
01:41:39,452 --> 01:41:42,692
Speaker 13: with delays and deliveries and feedback will be crucial to

2072
01:41:42,812 --> 01:41:46,973
Speaker 13: making things better for art collectors on how it and

2073
01:41:47,093 --> 01:41:49,692
Speaker 13: riches their lives and how to form a collection.

2074
01:41:50,173 --> 01:41:52,252
Speaker 2: You can see the story at Viva Premium.

2075
01:41:52,772 --> 01:41:54,813
Speaker 13: Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

2076
01:41:56,173 --> 01:41:58,812
Speaker 3: Thank you very much Raillen having a great discussion about

2077
01:41:58,933 --> 01:42:01,013
Speaker 3: tattoos on the back of a story in the New

2078
01:42:01,093 --> 01:42:04,133
Speaker 3: Zealand Herald saying that we are one of the most

2079
01:42:04,213 --> 01:42:07,612
Speaker 3: tattooed nations in the world. Love to hear from you

2080
01:42:07,692 --> 01:42:10,412
Speaker 3: if you've got a tattoo, particularly one that you regretted

2081
01:42:10,492 --> 01:42:12,372
Speaker 3: later in life. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty

2082
01:42:12,492 --> 01:42:16,652
Speaker 3: is the number to call. Roger, How are you good dranks?

2083
01:42:17,293 --> 01:42:17,452
Speaker 9: Now?

2084
01:42:18,213 --> 01:42:20,252
Speaker 3: You want to have a chat about a friend's tattoo

2085
01:42:21,333 --> 01:42:25,452
Speaker 3: that was done under they were anibre added at the time.

2086
01:42:26,452 --> 01:42:28,973
Speaker 20: Well, that's part of the story. The first part of

2087
01:42:29,053 --> 01:42:32,173
Speaker 20: the story is how I got to see it with

2088
01:42:32,253 --> 01:42:34,492
Speaker 20: a quick glance. But every lady in the room was

2089
01:42:34,532 --> 01:42:41,173
Speaker 20: absolutely fascinated. Okay, well, background, he's an ex British Navy,

2090
01:42:41,732 --> 01:42:45,173
Speaker 20: one of the original hard bastards, and he's got tattoos

2091
01:42:45,253 --> 01:42:48,772
Speaker 20: all over his chest, arms, shoulders, all the usual places.

2092
01:42:50,812 --> 01:42:54,812
Speaker 20: We both wandered into a bar and bat'm Indonesia for

2093
01:42:55,293 --> 01:42:56,972
Speaker 20: a bit of a meal and a couple of drinks,

2094
01:42:57,133 --> 01:42:59,572
Speaker 20: and the ladies who were fascinated with a couple of

2095
01:42:59,612 --> 01:43:03,253
Speaker 20: his tattoos. So he's unbuttoned a shirt and he's showing

2096
01:43:03,333 --> 01:43:06,293
Speaker 20: them and a bit of a discussion going on. Then

2097
01:43:06,333 --> 01:43:08,652
Speaker 20: one of them goes along, you got in where where

2098
01:43:08,652 --> 01:43:11,253
Speaker 20: haven't you got tattoos? And he goes nowhere, I've got

2099
01:43:11,333 --> 01:43:15,572
Speaker 20: tattoos everywhere. And I'm like, hey, what made And then

2100
01:43:15,612 --> 01:43:18,252
Speaker 20: he basically quietly told me where he's got a tattoo?

2101
01:43:18,293 --> 01:43:21,452
Speaker 20: And I'm like, you are not you You're not kidding,

2102
01:43:21,532 --> 01:43:24,652
Speaker 20: are you. His name is Jock, and you think of

2103
01:43:24,692 --> 01:43:27,612
Speaker 20: a body part that rains rhymes with jock, and you

2104
01:43:27,772 --> 01:43:33,333
Speaker 20: know where he had his name tattooed, so yeah, man

2105
01:43:33,412 --> 01:43:34,012
Speaker 20: as old fella.

2106
01:43:34,452 --> 01:43:40,932
Speaker 16: Wow, well that's the next part of the story.

2107
01:43:40,973 --> 01:43:43,333
Speaker 20: Anyway, we told them managed the rest of the bar,

2108
01:43:43,893 --> 01:43:47,972
Speaker 20: and she went no way, no way. So me, being

2109
01:43:48,253 --> 01:43:50,852
Speaker 20: an opportunist, I says two bears each if he's got

2110
01:43:50,893 --> 01:43:53,572
Speaker 20: a tattoo, where he says he's got a tattoo, because

2111
01:43:53,572 --> 01:43:56,572
Speaker 20: I know he's not shy, and she goes, you're on

2112
01:43:57,133 --> 01:43:59,692
Speaker 20: so night job, get it out, and so he stood up,

2113
01:43:59,893 --> 01:44:00,892
Speaker 20: flopped it out on the bar.

2114
01:44:03,452 --> 01:44:03,652
Speaker 16: Yep.

2115
01:44:03,732 --> 01:44:06,333
Speaker 20: So it's not something I normally look at on other guys,

2116
01:44:06,372 --> 01:44:11,893
Speaker 20: but hey, ance, yep, Hurt's got jock written there, and

2117
01:44:12,372 --> 01:44:14,812
Speaker 20: the managerress and every other lady in the bar just

2118
01:44:14,893 --> 01:44:19,213
Speaker 20: had to have a look. Okay, a couple of three beers.

2119
01:44:19,253 --> 01:44:21,532
Speaker 20: I asked him how the hell and why the hell,

2120
01:44:21,612 --> 01:44:24,732
Speaker 20: and he goes, there was a ten pound bet when

2121
01:44:24,772 --> 01:44:29,133
Speaker 20: I was tested in Hong Kong and the Navy. He

2122
01:44:29,213 --> 01:44:31,013
Speaker 20: goes ten pound bet and goes, yeah, it cost me

2123
01:44:31,053 --> 01:44:34,093
Speaker 20: fifty quid to get it and I won ten pound.

2124
01:44:34,133 --> 01:44:35,652
Speaker 20: He says it was a bet and I was drunk,

2125
01:44:35,853 --> 01:44:38,212
Speaker 20: so that it doesn't make too much sense afterwards.

2126
01:44:38,293 --> 01:44:40,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just as well.

2127
01:44:40,572 --> 01:44:42,492
Speaker 20: It was just as well, it was only three letters

2128
01:44:42,532 --> 01:44:45,333
Speaker 20: because it hurt like hell, well.

2129
01:44:45,213 --> 01:44:46,892
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Roger.

2130
01:44:48,772 --> 01:44:51,412
Speaker 3: I mean, look, granted he was inebriated and they had

2131
01:44:51,452 --> 01:44:53,492
Speaker 3: a massive hit of steam on them, but you've got

2132
01:44:53,532 --> 01:44:55,852
Speaker 3: a feel for the tattoo artist in that scenario, surely.

2133
01:44:55,933 --> 01:44:58,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you know if you're going into two

2134
01:44:58,492 --> 01:45:02,612
Speaker 2: hands tattoo with Stephan Sinclair, Steffan Spider Sinclair who started

2135
01:45:02,652 --> 01:45:04,333
Speaker 2: the story so in the New Zealand's the most tatooed

2136
01:45:04,333 --> 01:45:06,093
Speaker 2: country in the world, I'm pretty sure you can't go

2137
01:45:06,173 --> 01:45:08,253
Speaker 2: and get that part of you out and he'll right, Jock.

2138
01:45:08,652 --> 01:45:11,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a job every tedto arts would absolutely hatefuln't it.

2139
01:45:12,293 --> 01:45:14,093
Speaker 3: I One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

2140
01:45:14,093 --> 01:45:14,812
Speaker 3: to call, Vivian.

2141
01:45:14,893 --> 01:45:17,293
Speaker 21: How are you not too bad?

2142
01:45:17,412 --> 01:45:17,652
Speaker 16: Thank you?

2143
01:45:19,333 --> 01:45:20,812
Speaker 3: So you've got a couple of tattoos.

2144
01:45:22,372 --> 01:45:25,812
Speaker 22: Yeah, I was thinking about what us guys were saying.

2145
01:45:25,853 --> 01:45:28,093
Speaker 22: It's all right when you get these tattos when you're

2146
01:45:28,133 --> 01:45:30,013
Speaker 22: in your younger days, but then when you're add a

2147
01:45:30,053 --> 01:45:32,572
Speaker 22: few years on, they don't look exactly the same as

2148
01:45:32,612 --> 01:45:33,293
Speaker 22: what they used.

2149
01:45:33,133 --> 01:45:33,612
Speaker 3: To look like.

2150
01:45:35,213 --> 01:45:38,092
Speaker 22: Hence, I've got two little birdies that were on tattooed

2151
01:45:38,133 --> 01:45:42,093
Speaker 22: on my bum and now they look like dodos, and

2152
01:45:42,572 --> 01:45:45,293
Speaker 22: I had a lovely little rose on my chest what

2153
01:45:45,452 --> 01:45:49,412
Speaker 22: they now looked like a drooping rose. But when I

2154
01:45:49,532 --> 01:45:52,172
Speaker 22: did I was thirty when I got my first tatto,

2155
01:45:52,692 --> 01:45:55,652
Speaker 22: and that was not too bad. I quite enjoyed it.

2156
01:45:55,853 --> 01:45:58,572
Speaker 22: It was better than gain to the dentist. But the

2157
01:45:58,692 --> 01:46:02,572
Speaker 22: second one I got five years later on my back side,

2158
01:46:02,893 --> 01:46:07,132
Speaker 22: and I actually painted when they were doing the outline,

2159
01:46:07,173 --> 01:46:10,013
Speaker 22: and I actually went out for about twenty minutes and

2160
01:46:10,093 --> 01:46:13,372
Speaker 22: they had to feed me with pat the tigue with

2161
01:46:13,492 --> 01:46:17,052
Speaker 22: heats of sugar and horro bar. But to get it finished,

2162
01:46:17,213 --> 01:46:19,173
Speaker 22: I had to go to my doctors and ask him

2163
01:46:19,253 --> 01:46:20,933
Speaker 22: to put a jab and me bum and numb it

2164
01:46:21,013 --> 01:46:22,293
Speaker 22: so I could go and get the rest of the

2165
01:46:22,333 --> 01:46:25,932
Speaker 22: tattoo finished. Do I regret having that one done?

2166
01:46:26,013 --> 01:46:26,213
Speaker 9: Yes?

2167
01:46:26,253 --> 01:46:26,452
Speaker 13: I do?

2168
01:46:27,213 --> 01:46:28,452
Speaker 3: Ye are?

2169
01:46:28,492 --> 01:46:28,652
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2170
01:46:28,652 --> 01:46:30,333
Speaker 3: Are you a bit gutted they didn't just keep going

2171
01:46:30,372 --> 01:46:32,133
Speaker 3: when you fainted because they could have just finished it

2172
01:46:32,213 --> 01:46:33,253
Speaker 3: there when you were passed out?

2173
01:46:34,372 --> 01:46:37,692
Speaker 22: No, they couldn't know what's too not in.

2174
01:46:37,732 --> 01:46:38,333
Speaker 23: A good state?

2175
01:46:38,652 --> 01:46:42,293
Speaker 3: Okay, No? No, yeah, it's a wise yeah. And so

2176
01:46:42,452 --> 01:46:45,732
Speaker 3: do you any of those tatooes you regret vivianna, is

2177
01:46:45,772 --> 01:46:48,253
Speaker 3: there is regret the right word, or you're still very

2178
01:46:48,293 --> 01:46:49,253
Speaker 3: happy that you got them done?

2179
01:46:50,612 --> 01:46:53,093
Speaker 22: Well, it's like I said, they looked really good when

2180
01:46:53,173 --> 01:46:56,692
Speaker 22: I was younger and I was played with them. But

2181
01:46:56,893 --> 01:47:00,333
Speaker 22: now that I've added another thirty years on, my booths

2182
01:47:00,412 --> 01:47:04,973
Speaker 22: looked like dodos and roses faded and it looked like

2183
01:47:05,093 --> 01:47:07,133
Speaker 22: a wilting rose. Now it's sort of drup.

2184
01:47:07,492 --> 01:47:09,372
Speaker 2: Well, unless you don't have to show them to people

2185
01:47:09,572 --> 01:47:10,892
Speaker 2: like that, sounds like they're concealed.

2186
01:47:11,412 --> 01:47:15,213
Speaker 22: So they look really good in the beginning, but as

2187
01:47:15,293 --> 01:47:19,692
Speaker 22: you age, you skin changing. Yeah, yep, you know when

2188
01:47:19,732 --> 01:47:23,852
Speaker 22: you're saying that, you know these guys what the kind

2189
01:47:23,853 --> 01:47:25,253
Speaker 22: of look like when they get older?

2190
01:47:25,692 --> 01:47:25,892
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2191
01:47:25,973 --> 01:47:26,213
Speaker 3: Thank you?

2192
01:47:26,213 --> 01:47:28,572
Speaker 2: If you call Vivian yeah, well I mean that, I

2193
01:47:28,652 --> 01:47:30,133
Speaker 2: mean you could argue about that every part of you,

2194
01:47:30,333 --> 01:47:31,772
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, every part of you.

2195
01:47:32,853 --> 01:47:33,772
Speaker 3: We're all going to droop.

2196
01:47:33,812 --> 01:47:36,852
Speaker 2: Whether or not you could argue that whatever you've got

2197
01:47:36,893 --> 01:47:38,812
Speaker 2: when you're twenty might not look as good when you're ready.

2198
01:47:39,452 --> 01:47:42,173
Speaker 3: Speak for yourself, mate, Well, you know right now, I've.

2199
01:47:42,013 --> 01:47:45,572
Speaker 2: Got beautiful per petrel muscles, you do, Yeah, that they

2200
01:47:45,652 --> 01:47:46,492
Speaker 2: might droop. You never know.

2201
01:47:47,093 --> 01:47:49,612
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

2202
01:47:50,492 --> 01:47:52,812
Speaker 3: Oh nice ticks tier after Roger's story he can't spell

2203
01:47:52,893 --> 01:47:54,972
Speaker 3: jockeys four leaders not three. Yeah, well that was part

2204
01:47:55,013 --> 01:47:55,452
Speaker 3: of the problem.

2205
01:47:57,053 --> 01:47:59,532
Speaker 2: You're thinking that, Yeah, yeah, we might have been ripped

2206
01:47:59,532 --> 01:48:00,253
Speaker 2: off one letter there.

2207
01:48:00,532 --> 01:48:02,572
Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the tixt number. It is

2208
01:48:02,853 --> 01:48:03,612
Speaker 3: nineteen to four.

2209
01:48:05,612 --> 01:48:09,133
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eighty eight Matt

2210
01:48:09,213 --> 01:48:13,093
Speaker 1: and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety ticking every

2211
01:48:13,173 --> 01:48:14,893
Speaker 1: box a seamless experience.

2212
01:48:14,933 --> 01:48:16,492
Speaker 4: Awaits news talk said, be.

2213
01:48:19,173 --> 01:48:22,293
Speaker 3: News talks, be good afternoon. T You're sixteen to four

2214
01:48:22,333 --> 01:48:24,572
Speaker 3: and we're talking about tattoos in New Zealand on the

2215
01:48:24,612 --> 01:48:26,652
Speaker 3: back of a great story in the Herald, and it

2216
01:48:26,732 --> 01:48:30,932
Speaker 3: quoted the Two Hands Tattoo Studio owner steph Anstenclair, who

2217
01:48:31,013 --> 01:48:33,732
Speaker 3: says we are one of the most tattooed nations in

2218
01:48:33,812 --> 01:48:35,772
Speaker 3: the world. What do you think, O eight hundred and

2219
01:48:35,772 --> 01:48:39,213
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty Steve, you used to have a tattoo shop.

2220
01:48:41,772 --> 01:48:47,053
Speaker 3: Get a Steve Steve, Steve, Steve, Steve.

2221
01:48:48,492 --> 01:48:49,812
Speaker 2: Steve having a pettic of chips.

2222
01:48:49,893 --> 01:48:52,412
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, he's seeing some sort of mull. It

2223
01:48:52,452 --> 01:48:53,972
Speaker 3: sounds like a carousel on the background.

2224
01:48:54,372 --> 01:48:55,572
Speaker 2: This is a butt dial from Steve.

2225
01:48:55,692 --> 01:48:56,972
Speaker 3: Maybe this is his tattoo shop.

2226
01:48:57,412 --> 01:48:59,213
Speaker 2: We'll give one last Steve and then we'll go to

2227
01:48:59,253 --> 01:49:00,772
Speaker 2: the next caller, Steve.

2228
01:49:05,492 --> 01:49:06,812
Speaker 3: Yep, we might come back to Stee.

2229
01:49:06,933 --> 01:49:07,452
Speaker 2: You talk to Steve.

2230
01:49:07,572 --> 01:49:09,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. Get a peak?

2231
01:49:11,293 --> 01:49:12,213
Speaker 24: Yeah, how you doing?

2232
01:49:12,492 --> 01:49:12,772
Speaker 6: God?

2233
01:49:13,532 --> 01:49:15,652
Speaker 3: Now you you get a few tattoos yourself?

2234
01:49:15,692 --> 01:49:15,932
Speaker 5: Peak?

2235
01:49:17,253 --> 01:49:19,893
Speaker 24: No, I got no tattoos, but I just want to

2236
01:49:20,372 --> 01:49:23,652
Speaker 24: give you an experience I had when I was playing

2237
01:49:23,853 --> 01:49:29,932
Speaker 24: rugby over in oz and we all showered pretty well.

2238
01:49:29,973 --> 01:49:32,852
Speaker 24: On the same show, a couple of us guys asked

2239
01:49:32,933 --> 01:49:37,452
Speaker 24: a soother guy, why has he got a tattoo of

2240
01:49:37,572 --> 01:49:44,133
Speaker 24: a fish on these private parksquish and and he says, well,

2241
01:49:44,213 --> 01:49:46,812
Speaker 24: let's just for the girls who eat meat on who

2242
01:49:46,893 --> 01:49:48,613
Speaker 24: don't eat meat on Fridays.

2243
01:49:49,213 --> 01:49:54,732
Speaker 2: All right, all right, you have a good one, Peter,

2244
01:49:54,812 --> 01:49:57,093
Speaker 2: thank you for your call. We appreciate it. So we're

2245
01:49:57,093 --> 01:50:00,772
Speaker 2: talking about tato So far we've had we've we've been

2246
01:50:00,853 --> 01:50:05,572
Speaker 2: in we've had two downstairs tatos, one functional, and we've

2247
01:50:05,652 --> 01:50:08,253
Speaker 2: had a colonnast to be tatoo.

2248
01:50:08,452 --> 01:50:10,972
Speaker 3: All right, so maybe we should make tatoos too again?

2249
01:50:12,093 --> 01:50:15,372
Speaker 3: Should we go to ann Let's get come on and

2250
01:50:15,572 --> 01:50:16,253
Speaker 3: bring us back to.

2251
01:50:16,492 --> 01:50:18,532
Speaker 6: Uh, I'll try the beauty line.

2252
01:50:19,173 --> 01:50:24,173
Speaker 3: A boy, are you very good?

2253
01:50:24,293 --> 01:50:24,452
Speaker 6: Good?

2254
01:50:24,492 --> 01:50:26,053
Speaker 2: You're going to keep it away from private parts and

2255
01:50:26,732 --> 01:50:27,812
Speaker 2: turn keep it clean?

2256
01:50:28,213 --> 01:50:33,772
Speaker 23: Well who does that, honestly on nationwide radio. But it's

2257
01:50:34,013 --> 01:50:36,692
Speaker 23: not good for us old people. What have we become

2258
01:50:36,772 --> 01:50:41,133
Speaker 23: in two little straight lines above my ardles seven years

2259
01:50:41,492 --> 01:50:45,173
Speaker 23: and those tattooed on because I'm officially impaired, can't see

2260
01:50:45,293 --> 01:50:49,253
Speaker 23: my face. So here we are. I just pleased this

2261
01:50:49,452 --> 01:50:52,492
Speaker 23: last leave us long because I always worked in age

2262
01:50:52,572 --> 01:50:55,772
Speaker 23: care and those that have come from Singapore and have

2263
01:50:56,372 --> 01:50:59,893
Speaker 23: head eye line. At last, that poor lady with the

2264
01:50:59,933 --> 01:51:03,532
Speaker 23: wiltered rose and my friend I know, had a little

2265
01:51:03,612 --> 01:51:05,892
Speaker 23: devil put on her boot brings you first had at

2266
01:51:05,893 --> 01:51:09,652
Speaker 23: first baby beautiful, Well you can imagine it now it's

2267
01:51:09,732 --> 01:51:12,173
Speaker 23: like those balloons that all blew up when she had babies,

2268
01:51:12,532 --> 01:51:14,053
Speaker 23: trued up to find it.

2269
01:51:16,253 --> 01:51:16,532
Speaker 3: Money.

2270
01:51:16,532 --> 01:51:19,013
Speaker 2: Well seen, So hang on a minute. We're okay. Now

2271
01:51:19,053 --> 01:51:19,652
Speaker 2: we're on boobs.

2272
01:51:20,372 --> 01:51:22,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, you promised us you'll be cleaner.

2273
01:51:23,133 --> 01:51:27,012
Speaker 23: This is what we call infantrail feeding. This is where

2274
01:51:27,053 --> 01:51:28,812
Speaker 23: we get our food like that.

2275
01:51:28,973 --> 01:51:31,333
Speaker 2: That is very true, isn't that? They do have a function.

2276
01:51:31,732 --> 01:51:33,933
Speaker 23: So while people are jack and she said, are you

2277
01:51:34,093 --> 01:51:40,692
Speaker 23: the devil otherwise the off Yeah, yeah, but the proud, lovely,

2278
01:51:40,812 --> 01:51:44,173
Speaker 23: lovely soul and down the stones are coined and there's

2279
01:51:44,213 --> 01:51:48,133
Speaker 23: those people's My sister lived in Singapore nineteen ninety nine.

2280
01:51:48,173 --> 01:51:51,932
Speaker 23: Groups would defense she had her eyebrows done and eyeliner. Yeah,

2281
01:51:52,013 --> 01:51:56,093
Speaker 23: still immaculate, all right to be called.

2282
01:51:56,133 --> 01:51:59,612
Speaker 2: And yeah, so cosmetic tattooing, I know Michael Jackson was

2283
01:51:59,652 --> 01:52:01,492
Speaker 2: famous for having that. So you can get your eyebrows

2284
01:52:01,532 --> 01:52:02,893
Speaker 2: ttoo tattooed.

2285
01:52:02,492 --> 01:52:03,732
Speaker 3: On very common these days.

2286
01:52:03,973 --> 01:52:05,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's kind of different whi we're

2287
01:52:05,652 --> 01:52:08,173
Speaker 2: talking about, isn't it. We're talking about, you know, the

2288
01:52:08,452 --> 01:52:10,333
Speaker 2: go from Two Tans and said we're most tattooed people

2289
01:52:10,372 --> 01:52:15,652
Speaker 2: in the world. Art art art tattoos, Sweet tats. Go

2290
01:52:15,772 --> 01:52:18,973
Speaker 2: to an old person's home and see the tattoos as

2291
01:52:19,013 --> 01:52:24,133
Speaker 2: this text says, sorry, my machine's just gone and disappeared.

2292
01:52:24,812 --> 01:52:28,892
Speaker 2: Fellos tats or old hat clear skins be the future soon. John, Well,

2293
01:52:28,933 --> 01:52:31,892
Speaker 2: that's interesting because Ozzi Osborne famously said, if you want

2294
01:52:31,933 --> 01:52:35,333
Speaker 2: to be an individual, don't get a tattoo. Everyone's got

2295
01:52:35,372 --> 01:52:36,052
Speaker 2: one these days.

2296
01:52:36,333 --> 01:52:37,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, which is true.

2297
01:52:37,412 --> 01:52:40,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're more individual than me. Tyler with you tattoos.

2298
01:52:40,732 --> 01:52:43,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the reason I don't have tattoos, Well, maybe

2299
01:52:43,572 --> 01:52:45,572
Speaker 3: initially it was because of the cost of tattoos, Like

2300
01:52:45,652 --> 01:52:48,532
Speaker 3: what expensive things, right, And if I was going to

2301
01:52:48,532 --> 01:52:50,692
Speaker 3: spend four hundred bucks on a tattoo, d farberver to

2302
01:52:50,772 --> 01:52:53,133
Speaker 3: spend that on a night out with my mates when

2303
01:52:53,133 --> 01:52:56,293
Speaker 3: I was a student. But also I just there was,

2304
01:52:56,652 --> 01:52:58,253
Speaker 3: you know, nothing that really happened in my life that

2305
01:52:58,333 --> 01:53:00,013
Speaker 3: I thought I am going to get a tattoo to

2306
01:53:00,093 --> 01:53:02,732
Speaker 3: mark that occasion. But I think more and more people

2307
01:53:02,772 --> 01:53:04,572
Speaker 3: aren't doing it for that reason, right, They're doing it

2308
01:53:04,692 --> 01:53:08,173
Speaker 3: generally because they think it looks like art rather than

2309
01:53:08,492 --> 01:53:10,053
Speaker 3: momentous occasion in their life.

2310
01:53:10,173 --> 01:53:10,293
Speaker 6: Well.

2311
01:53:10,372 --> 01:53:12,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also, as this Texas says on nine two

2312
01:53:12,853 --> 01:53:14,972
Speaker 2: nine two, I agree, matt tattoos are addictive. I only

2313
01:53:15,013 --> 01:53:17,652
Speaker 2: have one, but I'm looking for the next one. Sweden

2314
01:53:17,772 --> 01:53:24,772
Speaker 2: is also a heavily tattooed nation. Sorry, right when I

2315
01:53:24,893 --> 01:53:27,852
Speaker 2: was young, only only my uncle's head tattoos. Call me old,

2316
01:53:27,933 --> 01:53:29,772
Speaker 2: but I am concerned for the young girls and all

2317
01:53:29,812 --> 01:53:32,333
Speaker 2: their markings, or they still love them in twenty years

2318
01:53:32,372 --> 01:53:34,492
Speaker 2: when they're forty. You know, when they're forty, you can

2319
01:53:34,532 --> 01:53:36,932
Speaker 2: still be sweet airs of the tatoo. Yeah, don't worry

2320
01:53:36,933 --> 01:53:37,213
Speaker 2: about that.

2321
01:53:37,652 --> 01:53:39,772
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

2322
01:53:39,772 --> 01:53:41,852
Speaker 3: to call. We'll take a few more phone calls very shortly.

2323
01:53:41,893 --> 01:53:43,173
Speaker 3: It is eleven to four.

2324
01:53:44,812 --> 01:53:48,173
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

2325
01:53:48,532 --> 01:53:52,132
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo

2326
01:53:52,452 --> 01:53:55,612
Speaker 1: XC ninety attention to detail and a commitment to comfort.

2327
01:53:55,732 --> 01:53:59,013
Speaker 1: News Dogs dead b on News Dogs, EDB.

2328
01:54:00,013 --> 01:54:02,372
Speaker 3: So I'm in good afternoon to you. You're fifty two

2329
01:54:02,452 --> 01:54:04,412
Speaker 3: and you are thinking about getting your first tattoo.

2330
01:54:05,412 --> 01:54:09,492
Speaker 7: Yeap, yeap, never had a tato couldn't think of anything

2331
01:54:09,652 --> 01:54:11,732
Speaker 7: that I would put on there, but maybe a pattern

2332
01:54:11,812 --> 01:54:14,253
Speaker 7: or a bit of art. But yeah, obviously fifty toe.

2333
01:54:14,333 --> 01:54:15,092
Speaker 4: Thing about anyone?

2334
01:54:15,173 --> 01:54:18,892
Speaker 7: Now, my kids tell me, tell me I'm a MPC anyway,

2335
01:54:19,173 --> 01:54:22,692
Speaker 7: So yeah, something about putt everyone on. They obviously aren't

2336
01:54:22,772 --> 01:54:24,132
Speaker 7: cold anymore.

2337
01:54:24,812 --> 01:54:27,253
Speaker 2: What they think you're what? You're a non playing character?

2338
01:54:28,133 --> 01:54:29,293
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's yeah, that's the.

2339
01:54:32,213 --> 01:54:34,012
Speaker 2: Sometimes we all feel like I'm playing characters.

2340
01:54:34,053 --> 01:54:37,413
Speaker 3: I feel like an MPC sometimes, yeah, yeah, yeah, so

2341
01:54:37,573 --> 01:54:38,213
Speaker 3: that's what I am.

2342
01:54:38,253 --> 01:54:38,852
Speaker 15: In your lives?

2343
01:54:39,013 --> 01:54:44,733
Speaker 3: Just what do you think in againing Simon? If you

2344
01:54:44,812 --> 01:54:45,373
Speaker 3: had some thoughts?

2345
01:54:46,253 --> 01:54:49,972
Speaker 7: Oh, just something on shoulder or something like that. Yeah,

2346
01:54:50,413 --> 01:54:53,733
Speaker 7: probably I'd probably go full sleep actually, but yeah, I

2347
01:54:53,853 --> 01:54:56,293
Speaker 7: was brave enough. My wife likes them, and I said, oh, well,

2348
01:54:56,333 --> 01:54:59,533
Speaker 7: you know at the sage. Anything to keep her happy,

2349
01:54:59,653 --> 01:55:00,812
Speaker 7: I do, yeh, I've.

2350
01:55:01,453 --> 01:55:05,493
Speaker 2: Otherwise, why not just going to tattoo store and there'll

2351
01:55:05,493 --> 01:55:08,253
Speaker 2: be some pictures on the wall. Yeah, I like, yeah,

2352
01:55:08,453 --> 01:55:12,733
Speaker 2: snake wrapped around you, some some snake and grass and roses.

2353
01:55:12,733 --> 01:55:13,493
Speaker 2: I don't know a skull.

2354
01:55:13,573 --> 01:55:15,613
Speaker 3: I don't love your style, tho. I'll just go in

2355
01:55:15,693 --> 01:55:17,013
Speaker 3: there and say what's popular, give me that.

2356
01:55:18,093 --> 01:55:18,333
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2357
01:55:18,453 --> 01:55:20,293
Speaker 7: Yeah, well I live on a farm side and a

2358
01:55:20,333 --> 01:55:20,852
Speaker 7: couple of sheep.

2359
01:55:23,453 --> 01:55:25,373
Speaker 2: Just take your arm in and say, go for your life. Boys,

2360
01:55:25,493 --> 01:55:28,493
Speaker 2: just do what you want. What if you if if

2361
01:55:28,573 --> 01:55:30,293
Speaker 2: you've always wanted to do and no one's asked for,

2362
01:55:30,493 --> 01:55:33,733
Speaker 2: just do it to me. Yeah, character.

2363
01:55:35,293 --> 01:55:35,613
Speaker 6: Nobody.

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01:55:35,812 --> 01:55:38,453
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've got nothing to lose, ye, love Simon.

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01:55:38,573 --> 01:55:40,493
Speaker 2: Thank you for your call. Simon. Keep us updated and

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01:55:40,573 --> 01:55:41,173
Speaker 2: how that goes.

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01:55:42,453 --> 01:55:45,932
Speaker 3: Craig get a mate, Oh no, we just lost Craig.

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01:55:47,973 --> 01:55:48,213
Speaker 5: Craig.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, guys, interesting discussion. I actually quite enjoyed the fact

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01:55:53,653 --> 01:55:56,852
Speaker 21: your producer first of all, asked me where was the tattoo.

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01:55:58,253 --> 01:56:02,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, producer, there's been, there's been. Out of all that

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01:56:02,333 --> 01:56:04,053
Speaker 2: the calls of this hour, four of them have been

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01:56:04,173 --> 01:56:05,812
Speaker 2: and basically in people's private parts.

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Speaker 21: So you know, yeah, yeah, I totally get it. No,

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Speaker 21: I understood where he's going from. You don't have tattoos.

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Speaker 21: My dad had a lot of tattoos, so I don't

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01:56:15,653 --> 01:56:17,493
Speaker 21: have tat that was kind of like, you know, I

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01:56:17,613 --> 01:56:20,693
Speaker 21: couldn't really see this and what just wasn't me. But

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01:56:21,373 --> 01:56:23,453
Speaker 21: I was working in the outback of all the years ago,

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01:56:23,653 --> 01:56:25,852
Speaker 21: and through an old fellow like you know, pretty much

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01:56:25,853 --> 01:56:29,733
Speaker 21: an old wagman if you like, you know, dirty jeans

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01:56:29,812 --> 01:56:33,093
Speaker 21: and ripped shirt and backpack on and bare feet walking

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01:56:33,173 --> 01:56:37,253
Speaker 21: down the road in the middle of nowhere, and picked

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01:56:37,333 --> 01:56:40,012
Speaker 21: him up and ended up spending three for days traveling

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01:56:40,053 --> 01:56:41,812
Speaker 21: with him because he was going through his w a

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01:56:42,173 --> 01:56:44,973
Speaker 21: and we're sitting by the fire and he and I

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01:56:45,053 --> 01:56:47,173
Speaker 21: had a look at his feet and these were feet

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01:56:47,253 --> 01:56:47,772
Speaker 21: that were.

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Speaker 5: Mate.

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01:56:49,933 --> 01:56:51,533
Speaker 21: They were they were like boots, if you know what

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01:56:51,573 --> 01:56:55,573
Speaker 21: I mean. And on on his feet, on his left

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01:56:55,613 --> 01:56:58,772
Speaker 21: foot was I'm tired And on his right foot.

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01:56:58,653 --> 01:56:59,413
Speaker 15: Was me too.

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01:57:01,293 --> 01:57:01,533
Speaker 5: Deep.

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01:57:04,173 --> 01:57:05,653
Speaker 2: I described that as a waste of time.

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01:57:07,213 --> 01:57:09,653
Speaker 3: I saw that though that would get a good luck too.

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01:57:10,772 --> 01:57:11,852
Speaker 21: It's just maybe Craig.

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01:57:14,893 --> 01:57:15,173
Speaker 5: He was.

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01:57:15,973 --> 01:57:19,053
Speaker 21: You can imagine his feet going, hey, I'm tired. Any

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01:57:19,053 --> 01:57:20,173
Speaker 21: other one going to.

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01:57:21,933 --> 01:57:23,972
Speaker 2: Thank you so much? Craig. So we asked the question

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01:57:24,733 --> 01:57:27,053
Speaker 2: are we the most tattooed country in the world at

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01:57:27,093 --> 01:57:29,733
Speaker 2: the start of the show, and it seems that we

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01:57:29,853 --> 01:57:33,493
Speaker 2: are the most genital and back passage tattooed country.

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01:57:33,613 --> 01:57:35,252
Speaker 3: We love the smart tattoos apparently.

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01:57:35,493 --> 01:57:38,573
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, judging judging by most of the calls today.

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01:57:38,373 --> 01:57:40,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, great day today. Thank you again for all

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01:57:40,453 --> 01:57:43,373
Speaker 3: your phone calls, texts and correspondence. Will do it all

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01:57:43,413 --> 01:57:44,413
Speaker 3: again tomorrow Friday.

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01:57:44,453 --> 01:57:48,932
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, Yeah, Friday, we'll announce the Met and Tyler afternoons

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01:57:48,973 --> 01:57:50,772
Speaker 2: New Zealand of the week. But until then, give a

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01:57:50,853 --> 01:57:51,373
Speaker 2: taste a Kiwi

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