WEBVTT - Leighton Smith Podcast #261 - October 23rd 2024 - Judge Anthony Willy 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from news talks it B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:16.373 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:16.773 --> 0:00:19.813 It's time for all the attitude, all the opinion, all 0:00:19.853 --> 0:00:22.493 the information, all the debates. 0:00:21.973 --> 0:00:24.293 Of theists, Now. 0:00:24.293 --> 0:00:27.373 The Leyton Smith podcast Coward by news. 0:00:27.173 --> 0:00:27.733 Talks it B. 0:00:28.213 --> 0:00:30.933 Welcome to podcasts two hundred and sixty one for October 0:00:30.973 --> 0:00:34.693 twenty three, twenty twenty four. Last week I read a 0:00:34.693 --> 0:00:38.853 couple of essays that were published in close proximity time wise, 0:00:38.893 --> 0:00:43.573 I mean, in different journals. One was by retired judge 0:00:43.613 --> 0:00:47.813 Anthony Willie, the second by Jeffrey Tucker from Brownstone Institute, 0:00:48.213 --> 0:00:51.133 and both were very good, and it occurred that they 0:00:51.173 --> 0:00:54.653 coupled well together. I did think of having both authors, 0:00:54.693 --> 0:00:58.053 but elected to stick with Judge Willie. He was the 0:00:58.373 --> 0:01:02.053 longer commentary anyway, by five pages or so. Now that 0:01:02.133 --> 0:01:04.973 decision was fortunate because Tony and I talked with ease 0:01:05.373 --> 0:01:08.773 for fifty minutes and could have gone on for another fifty. 0:01:08.773 --> 0:01:12.613 As he pointed out to me afterward, these two articles 0:01:12.733 --> 0:01:15.733 sink well together, and for me it's an example of 0:01:15.773 --> 0:01:18.573 what I was pointing out or trying to I think 0:01:18.693 --> 0:01:21.893 last week in the last podcast, which has to do 0:01:22.053 --> 0:01:26.133 with the increasing number of people who were writing voluminously 0:01:26.253 --> 0:01:30.773 in some cases and making a living well some are anyway, 0:01:31.213 --> 0:01:33.253 unless I forget that I've complained on more than one 0:01:33.253 --> 0:01:35.853 occasion about how much there is out there and how 0:01:35.853 --> 0:01:38.533 hard it is to get on top of it with 0:01:38.653 --> 0:01:42.413 so much choice. But I can think of worse now 0:01:44.693 --> 0:01:49.133 before we talk with Tony Willie two weeks today, fourteen 0:01:49.213 --> 0:01:51.293 days from now, and we'll be sitting in front of 0:01:51.293 --> 0:01:54.573 the TV watching the future of the world unfold. And 0:01:54.613 --> 0:01:56.933 I remember clearly when I was winding up the radio 0:01:56.973 --> 0:02:01.853 program at midday on election Day twenty sixteen, everyone around 0:02:01.853 --> 0:02:04.693 me was convinced that the Clinton woman would be the 0:02:04.733 --> 0:02:08.893 next president. My reaction was, don't get to two excited. 0:02:09.533 --> 0:02:14.373 It's not over, and Trump will win, I think, and 0:02:14.413 --> 0:02:18.693 the rest is history, and history is about to repeat itself. 0:02:19.253 --> 0:02:22.253 I think. In fact, at this point I have little 0:02:22.293 --> 0:02:24.893 to no doubt that it will be the case. But wait, 0:02:25.733 --> 0:02:29.253 Trump was supposed to win in twenty twenty, but the 0:02:29.373 --> 0:02:33.693 numbers for Biden swelled as the night wore on, and 0:02:33.773 --> 0:02:37.253 in some states, even breaking their own rules, closed down 0:02:38.053 --> 0:02:41.333 counting for the night for one reason or another, and 0:02:41.453 --> 0:02:44.653 the staff like a burst water Maine and the staff 0:02:44.693 --> 0:02:47.813 which wasn't affecting anything, and the staff was sent home. 0:02:48.453 --> 0:02:52.693 The votes for Biden magically appeared and he won the 0:02:52.693 --> 0:02:57.173 biggest vote count in history. Amazing. Now could that happen 0:02:57.213 --> 0:03:02.533 again for Kambala Harris? I don't think so. But when 0:03:02.573 --> 0:03:07.693 it comes to rearranging reality, the Democrats are second to none. 0:03:07.853 --> 0:03:10.493 So while anything can happen over the next two weeks, 0:03:10.893 --> 0:03:13.853 I'll declare a second term for Trump and I won't 0:03:13.893 --> 0:03:17.373 be surprised if it's a big margin, and I want 0:03:17.413 --> 0:03:20.733 to throw the word landslide in. I'll think about it 0:03:21.533 --> 0:03:23.133 and at the back end of the podcast to be 0:03:23.133 --> 0:03:26.173 a little more on the election and a bit of 0:03:26.213 --> 0:03:31.413 information with regard to aspects of the American Constitution and 0:03:31.453 --> 0:03:34.213 how better to understand it, because it's not easy actually 0:03:34.813 --> 0:03:46.133 to understand, as though in a moment Anthony Willie. 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Takes directed and if 0:04:31.733 --> 0:04:45.693 symptoms persist, see your health professional. Farmer Broker Auckland Layton Smith. 0:04:47.293 --> 0:04:49.973 There was an advertisement when I was young, when you're 0:04:49.973 --> 0:04:52.893 on a good thing, stick to it. Retired judge Anthony 0:04:52.893 --> 0:04:56.973 Willie has guested on this podcast on numerous occasions. Why 0:04:57.533 --> 0:05:00.413 because when you're on a good thing, stick to it. 0:05:01.133 --> 0:05:02.813 And it's great to welcome you back, Anthony. 0:05:03.853 --> 0:05:04.813 Thank you. Leighton. 0:05:05.413 --> 0:05:08.933 So your most recent column, your most recent contra to 0:05:09.013 --> 0:05:12.533 the Discussion of things, almost knocked me out. Its length 0:05:12.653 --> 0:05:16.973 was superb. Everything that you said in it was applicable 0:05:16.973 --> 0:05:21.213 to what's going on and where it's headed. And my 0:05:21.333 --> 0:05:23.373 guess is that a lot of people will want a 0:05:23.413 --> 0:05:26.453 copy of this to refer to and to refer others 0:05:26.493 --> 0:05:29.773 to because it is on target called blowing in the 0:05:29.813 --> 0:05:33.613 wind Sir Elton John's beautiful lyrics aptly described the parlous 0:05:33.773 --> 0:05:38.813 position of the fragile candle of enlightenment and reason as 0:05:38.853 --> 0:05:42.653 it exists in today's world. Both are increasingly assailed by 0:05:42.693 --> 0:05:47.693 the winds of dogma, ignorance, and deliberate misinformation. What triggered 0:05:47.733 --> 0:05:51.093 you to put pen to paper or fingers to the keyboard. 0:05:51.933 --> 0:05:57.013 Well, curiously enough, it was the anniversary of the death 0:05:57.093 --> 0:06:01.333 of Princess Diana, which doesn't have anything much such relevant, 0:06:01.453 --> 0:06:07.213 except that it brought to mind Elton John's lyrics. And 0:06:07.293 --> 0:06:10.533 I was going to write thing about the text of 0:06:11.013 --> 0:06:13.773 what I did right, and I thought that that was 0:06:13.813 --> 0:06:19.213 a rap description of what's happening to all of the 0:06:19.213 --> 0:06:24.173 benefits of the enlightenment that we've for so long taken 0:06:24.213 --> 0:06:24.813 for granted. 0:06:24.933 --> 0:06:27.493 Well, I'd like to work our way through this through 0:06:27.493 --> 0:06:31.013 this article as closely as possible and at whatever speed 0:06:31.093 --> 0:06:35.253 you choose to deliver. But you start off essentially by 0:06:35.293 --> 0:06:40.333 pointing out that there is an insidious phenomenon invading society. 0:06:40.773 --> 0:06:44.493 What is it? Well, we've taken for granted for so long. 0:06:44.613 --> 0:06:49.893 Now the benefits that we acquired from this flowering of 0:06:50.693 --> 0:06:55.653 thought which occurred in the principle the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. 0:06:55.653 --> 0:06:59.573 And we've sat back and assumed that life will always 0:06:59.613 --> 0:07:03.733 be like that and our position is secure. But it's 0:07:03.773 --> 0:07:09.173 not so. We're surrounded with a growing tender see full 0:07:09.213 --> 0:07:14.013 of the old Marxist doctrines to take hold and doing 0:07:14.093 --> 0:07:18.533 so very successfully. And of course they're the antithesis of 0:07:18.773 --> 0:07:22.773 our way of life, which is based on all those 0:07:22.813 --> 0:07:27.893 things I mentioned in the article free speech, the rule 0:07:27.933 --> 0:07:32.253 of law, democracy, and so on. And it's something that's 0:07:33.173 --> 0:07:38.373 really of concern. We don't seem to be grasping that 0:07:39.213 --> 0:07:44.893 this is occurring in so many different facets of our society. 0:07:45.773 --> 0:07:49.773 But of course we had the classic example of the 0:07:49.813 --> 0:07:54.373 previous three years of the so called Labor Government, in 0:07:54.413 --> 0:07:59.053 which the Marxist philosophy was alive and well, led of 0:07:59.093 --> 0:08:03.573 course by somebody who wasn't about Marxist and had been 0:08:04.373 --> 0:08:09.733 the world president of a Marxist society. But we don't 0:08:09.773 --> 0:08:14.093 seem to really be alert to just how dangerous this 0:08:14.373 --> 0:08:15.933 is and what is happening. 0:08:16.493 --> 0:08:20.693 What is it that's preventing the continuation of not just 0:08:20.733 --> 0:08:24.733 the practice but the teaching of the advantages and what 0:08:26.893 --> 0:08:34.453 we are discussing actually delivers to society, to individuals, to organizations. 0:08:35.933 --> 0:08:38.133 It all really comes, I suppose, under the heading of 0:08:38.213 --> 0:08:41.013 one word freedom. 0:08:41.213 --> 0:08:51.413 Yes, yes, and really that sums up what is happening, 0:08:51.413 --> 0:08:54.533 and it's the loss of freedom. And I give a 0:08:54.573 --> 0:08:58.773 few examples in my article in no particular order. But 0:08:59.213 --> 0:09:05.013 if you begin by subverting education so that children at 0:09:05.053 --> 0:09:10.333 school only learn what this part killer group in society 0:09:10.453 --> 0:09:15.053 want them to learn, and if they are told that 0:09:15.093 --> 0:09:19.333 their history is irrelevant and that where they came from 0:09:19.533 --> 0:09:27.253 is in New Zealand anyway is essentially bad m then 0:09:27.973 --> 0:09:32.413 it starts very early and it's almost impossible to displace 0:09:33.413 --> 0:09:37.773 some of this teaching as children grow up, because we 0:09:37.893 --> 0:09:42.213 all know the old Jesuit mantra, give us the child 0:09:42.293 --> 0:09:46.453 till there's seven, and I'll give you the man. And 0:09:46.493 --> 0:09:49.853 that's what's happening in education, or had been happening under 0:09:49.893 --> 0:09:58.653 the previous government. Fortunately that is now being rectified significantly 0:09:58.853 --> 0:10:03.373 by the present government, but it's going to take a 0:10:03.453 --> 0:10:07.213 very long time. And there is now a whole generation 0:10:07.773 --> 0:10:12.013 of young people who have been taught this stuff and 0:10:12.453 --> 0:10:15.693 believe it, and the story goes on. I mean we 0:10:15.733 --> 0:10:22.053 saw it during COVID, how medicine was politicized. Without going 0:10:22.093 --> 0:10:28.733 into detail, the so called pulput of truth dictated what 0:10:28.813 --> 0:10:31.773 we would do with our lives. We would be locked 0:10:31.853 --> 0:10:36.053 up and we would have to have if injections of 0:10:36.053 --> 0:10:41.013 a substance if we wanted to continue to live a 0:10:41.133 --> 0:10:46.213 relatively normal life and so on. And that's harks back 0:10:46.253 --> 0:10:51.253 to what you were saying about Ashley Bloomfield and the 0:10:51.493 --> 0:11:00.733 who and this sinister proposition that medicine is no longer 0:11:01.333 --> 0:11:05.893 the curing of the sick, it is now part of 0:11:05.933 --> 0:11:11.253 the national secure see complex which governs our lives. 0:11:11.613 --> 0:11:13.853 Well, I was going to leave that till later, but 0:11:13.973 --> 0:11:18.093 seeing that you've you've raised it. The article that that 0:11:18.093 --> 0:11:21.733 that that came from was by Rob McCulloch. It was 0:11:21.733 --> 0:11:26.893 on the podcast about six weeks ago. And is Sir 0:11:27.013 --> 0:11:30.733 Ashley Bloomfield arguing in the New Zealand Medical Journal that 0:11:30.853 --> 0:11:33.973 this nation should be turned into a police state for 0:11:34.053 --> 0:11:40.693 the next in brackets inevitable Rose bragget pandemic And I mean, 0:11:40.773 --> 0:11:43.773 let's ask us a question. But the direction that the 0:11:43.853 --> 0:11:48.853 article takes is is very obvious. Yes, and this this 0:11:48.893 --> 0:11:52.453 is a. I can only put it this way. This 0:11:52.533 --> 0:11:56.573 is an individual that caused chaos as far as I'm concerned, 0:11:56.573 --> 0:11:59.853 in this in this country, or contributed to it greatly, 0:12:00.653 --> 0:12:06.133 and has for whatever reason been awarded the Knighthood for it, 0:12:06.213 --> 0:12:09.653 and then gone on to greater height of the World 0:12:09.813 --> 0:12:15.653 Health organization and is now attempting to expand what he 0:12:15.733 --> 0:12:17.733 first achieved here. Would that be. 0:12:17.693 --> 0:12:26.413 Careers, absolutely, and it wasn't really apparent from his public utterances. 0:12:26.733 --> 0:12:29.853 But looking back we know what was behind all this, 0:12:30.733 --> 0:12:35.933 and that was, as I just mentioned, utilizing what turned 0:12:35.933 --> 0:12:42.573 out to be a relatively unharmful German if you like, 0:12:42.773 --> 0:12:46.533 or whatever, measured in terms of the number of people 0:12:46.613 --> 0:12:52.293 who died, which were very few. Indeed, that was used 0:12:52.333 --> 0:12:59.533 as a front for closing down New Zealand society. It 0:12:58.813 --> 0:13:04.293 has never happened in the history of this country that 0:13:04.453 --> 0:13:09.893 people were locked up in their houses for their own good, 0:13:10.373 --> 0:13:14.373 the people had to take medicine for their own good 0:13:15.013 --> 0:13:18.333 and so on. And to think that that is now 0:13:18.413 --> 0:13:27.413 becoming a derigue in these international organizations is indeed very worrying. 0:13:27.453 --> 0:13:29.933 And of course the Americans have just said, no, we're 0:13:29.973 --> 0:13:33.373 not having a bar of that. We'll determine our own 0:13:33.773 --> 0:13:38.013 health policies. Thank you, But I'm not sure what our 0:13:38.053 --> 0:13:41.413 governments do about it. They haven't said yet. 0:13:42.213 --> 0:13:48.613 No, I suspect they're being blown in the direction that 0:13:48.613 --> 0:13:54.213 the Bloomfield would desire. And well, I hope I'm wrong, 0:13:54.253 --> 0:13:56.493 but I think I'm right. Anyway, let me go back 0:13:56.533 --> 0:13:59.413 to just to a bit of history, because this is 0:13:59.493 --> 0:14:03.933 part of what you were saying is affected kids. You're 0:14:04.013 --> 0:14:09.653 right after having listed the flowering of free thought and 0:14:09.733 --> 0:14:14.813 curiosity otherwise known as the Enlightenment, and listed all those 0:14:14.853 --> 0:14:18.973 things philosophy, law, democracy, medicine, education, freedom of expression, music, 0:14:19.013 --> 0:14:23.213 economics and technology, etc. All of which are underpinned by 0:14:24.013 --> 0:14:29.293 unhindered rational thought. That was the social contract Captain Hobson 0:14:29.973 --> 0:14:33.133 brought to these shows in eighteen forty. It remained the 0:14:33.133 --> 0:14:37.173 social norm since, but is now as much under threat 0:14:37.253 --> 0:14:39.813 here as it is throughout the Western world. The threats 0:14:39.813 --> 0:14:43.173 are numerous and growing, and they assail enlightened thought and 0:14:43.293 --> 0:14:47.293 practice on all sides. It begins with the degradation of 0:14:47.373 --> 0:14:51.493 our shared history. Do you think that those who are 0:14:51.533 --> 0:14:56.253 pushing the shared history are aware of what they're doing. 0:14:57.453 --> 0:15:06.213 Absolutely, they're aware that, to quote day Cart that I think, 0:15:06.253 --> 0:15:13.053 therefore I am, which was probably the mantra that was 0:15:13.053 --> 0:15:18.213 at the heart of the Enlightenment, because he said I think, 0:15:19.053 --> 0:15:24.093 therefore I am. Not what do I read therefore I am? 0:15:24.213 --> 0:15:28.173 Or not what do I listen to other people telling me? 0:15:28.773 --> 0:15:35.893 Therefore I am? He promoted rational thought, and that is 0:15:35.973 --> 0:15:41.773 the one strength that those who would upset and destabilize 0:15:42.213 --> 0:15:45.533 our way of life have to counter. For as long 0:15:45.573 --> 0:15:49.133 as people are free to think rather than just listen 0:15:49.173 --> 0:15:52.973 to what other people tell them, then they're going to 0:15:52.973 --> 0:15:58.893 get nowhere, These people who would break so much damage 0:15:58.933 --> 0:16:05.573 on society. So they do they begin by attacking the Enlightenment. 0:16:06.213 --> 0:16:12.013 Indeed, just talking about there was a well known philosopher 0:16:12.853 --> 0:16:18.453 I believe who wrote a book called I Drink Therefore 0:16:18.493 --> 0:16:23.413 I Am. It was a book on wine, of course, 0:16:23.853 --> 0:16:26.493 So you cover that by saying it's now fashionable at 0:16:26.493 --> 0:16:29.293 all levels of society to denigrate this process as the 0:16:29.333 --> 0:16:33.053 product of whiteness and the oppression which accompanied it. And 0:16:33.093 --> 0:16:35.893 you say, the Marxists are well aware of this crucial 0:16:35.933 --> 0:16:39.213 fact as they seek to replace history with lies which 0:16:39.253 --> 0:16:42.333 benefit the growth of the state to the detriment of 0:16:42.413 --> 0:16:47.333 the individual. Are we being across the board too easily 0:16:47.373 --> 0:16:52.013 seduced to comply with, to comply and even vote for 0:16:52.773 --> 0:16:53.373 this approach. 0:16:54.333 --> 0:16:58.213 Well, well, I think we have been, because we must 0:16:58.253 --> 0:17:02.373 be among the most complacent societies on the planet really 0:17:02.853 --> 0:17:07.573 when you look back to think of the strengths of 0:17:07.613 --> 0:17:11.973 our society and the things we came to rely on, 0:17:12.293 --> 0:17:16.813 our democracy and the rule of law and education and 0:17:16.853 --> 0:17:19.733 all that sort of stuff, and we just assumed that 0:17:19.813 --> 0:17:23.853 would go on forever. And when it was attacked as 0:17:23.853 --> 0:17:26.413 it was in the last three years of the so 0:17:26.573 --> 0:17:31.493 called Labor government, nobody seemed to well, very few people 0:17:31.973 --> 0:17:40.173 seem to notice, and that encouraged those who would replace 0:17:40.253 --> 0:17:44.973 it with something else to continue with the work. I 0:17:45.013 --> 0:17:49.093 don't think it's going to go on. I'm confident that 0:17:49.213 --> 0:17:56.293 with the new coalition government that we will reverse this, 0:17:56.573 --> 0:18:01.733 but it's going to take time and it's not going to. 0:18:01.733 --> 0:18:05.493 Be easy correct, and it will be thought, I believe 0:18:06.373 --> 0:18:10.173 by those in the education system who have had a 0:18:10.213 --> 0:18:12.773 contribution to driving it absolutely. 0:18:13.853 --> 0:18:17.373 But I've got a lot of confidence in the present 0:18:19.013 --> 0:18:25.373 Minister of Education and her deputy, yes David Seymour, that 0:18:26.693 --> 0:18:29.373 they will do they will do this. I'm quite confident. 0:18:29.453 --> 0:18:31.733 He's my legal member and I've never met her or 0:18:31.773 --> 0:18:34.813 spoken to her. It's probably time we got around you. 0:18:36.573 --> 0:18:41.213 So we covered the education. Then you hit on politicized 0:18:41.253 --> 0:18:46.293 medicine wherever possible, by introducing racial considerations into the availability 0:18:46.333 --> 0:18:49.693 of treatment and by supplanting the independence of the medical 0:18:49.693 --> 0:18:55.173 profession to best manage their patients by substituting state intervention. 0:18:56.893 --> 0:19:00.013 Can I just relate to you a little example. My doctor, 0:19:00.373 --> 0:19:04.133 my own doctor, rang me a few months ago, and 0:19:04.213 --> 0:19:06.773 he was distraught, and I wondered, what the hell is wrong? 0:19:07.573 --> 0:19:09.573 And it turned out that he'd just been dealing with 0:19:10.573 --> 0:19:16.773 the department because of an aged patient of his, a 0:19:16.813 --> 0:19:24.013 woman who needed certain assistance. But she didn't qualify on 0:19:24.093 --> 0:19:28.893 the age front, because if you were Marie, you were 0:19:29.053 --> 0:19:32.813 entitled to it in your fifties. She was seventy two, 0:19:32.933 --> 0:19:36.293 I believe, and she wasn't entitled to it. And he 0:19:37.333 --> 0:19:41.213 rang me, and really all he wanted to do was 0:19:41.373 --> 0:19:44.253 just talk to somebody and get it off his chest. 0:19:45.493 --> 0:19:49.733 And I saw, or heard, rather the desperation in his voice, 0:19:50.333 --> 0:19:53.413 which was which ran a parallel with what I've been 0:19:53.413 --> 0:19:57.013 told by other doctors, but not quite so emotionally as this, 0:19:57.093 --> 0:20:00.293 because there was nothing that he could do for the 0:20:00.333 --> 0:20:06.453 woman without the Health Department's contribution. Yes, so there we 0:20:06.493 --> 0:20:10.853 are politiciz medicine. Have you have you got anything else 0:20:10.893 --> 0:20:13.293 in mind besides what we went through in COVID. 0:20:14.613 --> 0:20:21.773 Well, yes, the push towards rationing medicine on the basis 0:20:21.813 --> 0:20:26.213 of ethnicity, now that is a essentially a political notion 0:20:27.013 --> 0:20:32.373 because it divides society and you divide and rule. That 0:20:32.573 --> 0:20:36.973 became the norm under the previous government. And indeed you 0:20:37.053 --> 0:20:41.813 ticked a box where you went along declaring what you're 0:20:42.293 --> 0:20:47.893 whether or not you had married ethnicity, and unfortunately that 0:20:48.093 --> 0:20:51.333 is still alive. And well, I mean, one is these 0:20:52.453 --> 0:20:56.653 stories of just recently on this week, I heard of 0:20:56.653 --> 0:20:59.893 a woman who went along to a surgery and the 0:20:59.933 --> 0:21:04.213 first question was what is your ethnicity? I can't, for 0:21:04.373 --> 0:21:08.853 the life of me now understand why any any doctor 0:21:09.333 --> 0:21:13.013 or nurse would be remotely interested in that, because the 0:21:13.053 --> 0:21:17.773 government has made it abundantly clear that that is no 0:21:17.853 --> 0:21:23.253 longer a relevant consideration. But it gives an indication of 0:21:23.373 --> 0:21:27.213 just how deep seated these things became, bearing in mind 0:21:27.653 --> 0:21:31.613 after only three years of indoctrination. 0:21:32.693 --> 0:21:37.813 Indeed, moving on to the seeking to destabilize the legal systems, 0:21:37.853 --> 0:21:40.733 as you feel, of course for most of your life. 0:21:41.293 --> 0:21:44.053 Is it and we've discussed it before, but is it 0:21:44.493 --> 0:21:49.053 better now, worse now, or still much in the same place. 0:21:49.493 --> 0:21:53.813 Well, latent, it's hard to know how to describe this now, 0:21:53.853 --> 0:21:58.973 but except to say it's incomparably worse. I suppose you 0:21:59.053 --> 0:22:06.453 saw Murial Newman. She conducts these poles. At the end 0:22:06.573 --> 0:22:09.573 of her series of article was on any given week, 0:22:09.653 --> 0:22:13.093 and one of them, one of the questions was have 0:22:13.173 --> 0:22:21.453 you any confidence in the judiciary? Ninety eight percent of 0:22:21.493 --> 0:22:24.573 the respondent said no, they have no confidence now in 0:22:24.613 --> 0:22:29.253 the judiciary. I mean that is a truly appalling statistic, 0:22:29.453 --> 0:22:35.253 because unless people believe that when things go wrong and 0:22:35.293 --> 0:22:37.733 they need to invoke the law, they can go along 0:22:37.813 --> 0:22:45.253 to a court and have a hearing before an impartial tribunal, 0:22:46.493 --> 0:22:50.293 well that opens the way to anarchy. Really, so people 0:22:50.293 --> 0:22:53.373 would instead of going along a court, will make their 0:22:53.413 --> 0:22:57.173 own arrangements. And we're back with you two and all 0:22:57.213 --> 0:23:07.733 that goes with that. This destabilization is now very apparent 0:23:09.013 --> 0:23:16.253 in the universities, in the law societies, and on the judiciary, 0:23:16.973 --> 0:23:26.373 and we have this concerted push to introduce notions of 0:23:27.413 --> 0:23:33.373 spiritual beliefs into the law called tea care, whatever that means, 0:23:33.413 --> 0:23:35.333 because if you look at the dictionary you'll get at 0:23:35.413 --> 0:23:40.813 least a dozen different meanings, so that the law which 0:23:40.893 --> 0:23:45.173 the judges then are expected to administer will no longer 0:23:45.213 --> 0:23:49.973 be knowable in advanced it will no longer be certain, 0:23:50.853 --> 0:23:55.573 and it will no longer be applicable to everybody who 0:23:55.653 --> 0:24:01.493 appears before them. Now that's something which of course goes 0:24:02.613 --> 0:24:05.093 in one ear and out the other for most people 0:24:05.133 --> 0:24:07.293 as they get on with their lives, you can't blame 0:24:07.373 --> 0:24:12.813 them until they want to invoke the law. And if 0:24:12.853 --> 0:24:19.533 this continues unchecked, we are going to be in serious 0:24:19.613 --> 0:24:24.093 trouble with that pillar of our way of life, that 0:24:24.293 --> 0:24:32.853 is the legal system and ry. I think there's every 0:24:32.893 --> 0:24:39.213 indication at the moment that the present Attorney General is 0:24:41.053 --> 0:24:49.173 deeply conscious of this, and my hope is that she 0:24:49.533 --> 0:24:54.693 will do all she can to ensure that the sort 0:24:54.733 --> 0:24:59.053 of people who are pointed to the judiciary at all 0:24:59.173 --> 0:25:04.933 levels are not subject to these temptations of imposing their 0:25:05.053 --> 0:25:13.693 own private thoughts and moras on the public. But it's 0:25:14.093 --> 0:25:17.493 a long process because these people are there for they 0:25:17.493 --> 0:25:20.693 could be there for twenty years, and that in that 0:25:21.893 --> 0:25:25.733 time can do a lot of damage. And that is 0:25:25.933 --> 0:25:28.533 why to preserve sorry to go on, but that is 0:25:28.933 --> 0:25:33.533 why to preserve the integrity of the legal system. We 0:25:33.613 --> 0:25:39.933 need legislation which will make it abundantly clear that tribal 0:25:40.013 --> 0:25:45.053 practices are not part of the common law of New Zealand. 0:25:46.253 --> 0:25:52.693 And that will stop certain members of our judiciary at 0:25:52.733 --> 0:26:00.373 the highest levels. It's one of your previous interviewees expanded upon. 0:26:01.013 --> 0:26:04.373 It'll stop this business of Oh, I think it would 0:26:04.373 --> 0:26:09.213 be a good idea if we gave try or society 0:26:09.253 --> 0:26:12.133 a bit of a leg up by introducing teaking are 0:26:12.133 --> 0:26:19.293 into the common law. It can't happen. If it does, 0:26:19.573 --> 0:26:21.893 we will not have a legal system. 0:26:22.453 --> 0:26:24.133 Well, if you don't have a legal system, you've got 0:26:24.213 --> 0:26:29.693 chaos exactly. Can you give me a warning, you know, 0:26:29.933 --> 0:26:31.853 enough time to sell the house and bolt. 0:26:35.813 --> 0:26:36.213 Yeah. 0:26:36.293 --> 0:26:41.173 Well actually, actually, just looking at looking at your article, 0:26:43.133 --> 0:26:47.053 you finish up on the legal system with the socialists. 0:26:47.853 --> 0:26:51.333 It's an outcome necessary if existing social norms are to 0:26:51.373 --> 0:26:55.293 be destroyed, is your final sentence. And then I turned 0:26:55.293 --> 0:27:00.533 the page and read introduce chaos into the sovereign Parliament. 0:27:01.973 --> 0:27:08.933 Yes, well, Winston Peters has been drawing it tension to 0:27:09.013 --> 0:27:14.933 this recently. I mean for most people. They took again, 0:27:15.053 --> 0:27:18.813 they took their parliament for granted. They assume that it 0:27:18.853 --> 0:27:26.293 would be a place of relatively rational debate, where the 0:27:26.453 --> 0:27:34.133 members attempted to rely upon facts, and that they preserve 0:27:34.293 --> 0:27:38.453 the dignity of the place. I mean to look at 0:27:37.893 --> 0:27:44.813 a parliament on television now, it's so embarrassing. As Winston 0:27:44.893 --> 0:27:50.733 points out, people make no attempt to dressed respectfully. That's 0:27:51.253 --> 0:27:56.453 showing some respect for the institution they're in. They shout 0:27:56.493 --> 0:27:57.373 each other down. 0:27:58.933 --> 0:28:01.413 That's not unusual though on a global basis. 0:28:01.693 --> 0:28:06.733 No it's not, But it's big gaining impetus since the 0:28:07.773 --> 0:28:10.573 last elect or the previous election. 0:28:11.093 --> 0:28:14.333 For anybody who's not following it like you you are 0:28:15.373 --> 0:28:20.293 and watching parliament on a regular basis, has the abuse 0:28:20.413 --> 0:28:23.853 become more savage, Yes. 0:28:23.773 --> 0:28:26.173 It has, But it's become more irrational too. 0:28:26.813 --> 0:28:28.573 Well, they go hand in hand on it. 0:28:28.933 --> 0:28:33.253 Yeah, yeah, And that's the worry again. It's the flight 0:28:33.333 --> 0:28:36.573 of reason, and once that goes out the window, once 0:28:36.653 --> 0:28:41.253 people stop relying on rational thought, well we all know 0:28:41.293 --> 0:28:42.173 where it will end up. 0:28:42.773 --> 0:28:45.293 Well, the flight of reason is a is a wonderful 0:28:45.413 --> 0:28:49.693 little quote and it's applicable on a number of fronts. 0:28:51.453 --> 0:28:54.533 Subverting the common language. And this is an easy one, 0:28:54.573 --> 0:28:56.973 and it's the shortest one of the points that you 0:28:57.053 --> 0:28:59.893 go into for I think obvious reasons, because it's steering 0:28:59.893 --> 0:29:02.773 you in the face no matter where or what you do. 0:29:03.853 --> 0:29:10.653 Well, Yes, we have enjoyed the English language as our 0:29:10.773 --> 0:29:13.973 common language. Now that's just an accident of history. There's 0:29:14.053 --> 0:29:23.493 nothing particularly necessary or good about that, but it just 0:29:23.533 --> 0:29:28.973 so happens. We've got it, and for the last one 0:29:29.053 --> 0:29:32.933 hundred and forty odd years it's been our common language. 0:29:33.093 --> 0:29:40.693 But within the last ten years there's been this movement 0:29:40.893 --> 0:29:47.533 towards inventing a new language by using marry words to 0:29:47.693 --> 0:29:54.173 describe concepts which were utterly outside of their experience at 0:29:54.173 --> 0:30:01.773 the time their language was being developed. Now that's not 0:30:01.813 --> 0:30:06.453 to say that their language shouldn't be preserved by all means. 0:30:06.493 --> 0:30:10.693 It must be preserved, but you don't take it and 0:30:10.733 --> 0:30:19.733 then bastardize another language with words that have cannot have 0:30:19.853 --> 0:30:23.773 had any meaning at the time these particular words were 0:30:24.253 --> 0:30:27.893 first thought up. And as I think I've said to 0:30:27.893 --> 0:30:32.813 you before, my favorite is moto car m o t 0:30:33.013 --> 0:30:39.773 o ka. Now that that just illustrates the sort of 0:30:39.773 --> 0:30:43.013 thing that's going on, and to walk into a coffee 0:30:43.053 --> 0:30:51.253 shop and see a sign outside which says kof ee 0:30:52.253 --> 0:30:56.613 and in brackets underneath a noun and underneath that coffee. 0:30:57.013 --> 0:30:59.973 I mean, it's just silly, really, and it's demeaning to 0:31:00.093 --> 0:31:04.453 the Mari language, which should be kept intact for those 0:31:04.533 --> 0:31:08.613 who want to learn it as it as it was 0:31:08.613 --> 0:31:12.493 in speaking, if they wish. But however it's happening. 0:31:13.173 --> 0:31:22.013