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Speaker 1: On the huddle with me this evening. We have two counselors,

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Speaker 1: in christ Church something.

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Speaker 2: What are you, Alie?

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Speaker 1: I don't really know anyyboard.

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Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like basically the same thing. Well, okay, Morris,

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Speaker 1: was it nervous laughter?

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Speaker 2: Was it? No? No? And look, quite frankly, any rate

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Speaker 2: rise of that sort of magnitude is embarrassing for them,

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Speaker 2: and they should have because here we've got an Orkham,

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Speaker 2: We've got a five point eight, people get five point out.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot up in the fifteens and the twenties,

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Speaker 2: of winners and losers. And I just feel for some

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Speaker 2: of those poor sods. You know, they're on fixed income.

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Speaker 2: Some people they live in a place that where it

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Speaker 2: just happens that they are on the higher end of it,

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Speaker 2: So I sit there every day pleading with counselors to say,

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Speaker 2: let's please not just keep spending money that just gets

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Speaker 2: adding a bill onto ratepayers, and at five point high

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Speaker 2: foot still high? Thirteen's disgraceful?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, Ali, did that sound nervous to you?

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Speaker 2: Do you know?

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Speaker 3: I think the mayor actually said, or what someone said.

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Speaker 3: They were not laughing about rate payers. It was the

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Speaker 3: irony of being asked if they'd been pushed back over

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Speaker 3: the rates. But the optics were awful, And I think

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Speaker 3: that's the point. If I was in a room with

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Speaker 3: a whole lot of colleagues and someone said, so, did

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Speaker 3: you get pushed back on thirteen point nine percent? I'd go,

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Speaker 3: are you kidding? But I wouldn't do that in a

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Speaker 3: public meeting, So you know, I think it's the context

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Speaker 3: could do that in a public meeting. It's a very somber,

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Speaker 3: as Morris said, it's a very serious, important issue. So

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Speaker 3: I think it's about appropriate appropriateness, and it wasn't appropriate.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what that? What it felt to me

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Speaker 1: like was if you really understood the devastating impact that

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Speaker 1: decisions they have to make, like potentially even selling their house,

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Speaker 1: you would have no reason to even nervously laught like

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Speaker 1: it would be far too grim to even crack a smile.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that they were able to suggest to

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Speaker 3: No, I think it's I think that's not right, Heather.

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Speaker 3: I think it was the context. It was the irony

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Speaker 3: of being asked if they've been pushed back. You know,

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Speaker 3: you say to someone, I'm trying to think of an

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Speaker 3: example that I might use.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I can't think. So you're getting old house your memory.

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Speaker 3: It's really terrible, you know. I mean that's a bad example. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think it's that they're out of touch,

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Speaker 3: but you certainly don't do that in the public arena.

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Speaker 3: And look, but I do think counselors are out of touch.

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Speaker 3: We need a GAP's rate. That's what I want in

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Speaker 2: Look, Heather, all I can tell you is I get

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Speaker 2: in calls from people in tears and saying we've lived here,

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Speaker 2: like in how I got Bucklan's by, just as they

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Speaker 2: get a lovely view of Harbor. I mean they're on

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Speaker 2: and that's it. And that's struggling like stink to keep

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Speaker 2: I only have been priced out of house and home.

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Speaker 2: And we've got to stop doing it because we're regularly

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Speaker 2: going to be a big, big bust up. You better

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Speaker 2: next few years, because we've got people open counselor who

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Speaker 2: I mean it's just madness. And so I really feel

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Speaker 2: for the poor ratepayers of the city, and I keep

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Speaker 2: saying at those meetings, let's stop spending money.

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Speaker 1: They could just stop spending money on things like two

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Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't got the numbers around the table, Morris.

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Speaker 3: What's your table made up of?

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Speaker 2: That's your problem, that is all. It's the problem in

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Speaker 2: local government see and central by thirty years off. You

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Speaker 2: just when you're a minister and you put paper together

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Speaker 2: and you get it done at cabinet, you don't even

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Speaker 2: worry about it because the votes are done down in

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Speaker 2: the House and you know you've got the whips and

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Speaker 2: the whips carry it was done. But you bring something

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Speaker 2: And on many occasions I think, oh, this will just

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Speaker 2: then there's others other this is innsible, stuff gets bold

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Speaker 2: and I keeps Jesus I can't read it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, listen, We're just going to take a quick

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Speaker 1: break because Morris, your line is dodgy as all hell,

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Speaker 1: and we'll come back shortly. Right, You're back with Morris

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Speaker 1: Williamson and Allie Jones, Ellie, what do you make of

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Speaker 3: I think it flies in the face of what a

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Speaker 3: lot of people are saying around local alcohol policy. See

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Speaker 3: certainly in christ Church we've managed to get one through

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Speaker 3: after not having much success the last time we tried it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have a problem with liquor stores closing a

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Speaker 3: think is confusing. But yeah, I would I'd think it

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Speaker 3: to be honest, I mean I think, you know, although

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Speaker 3: of alcohol as well, there's no point in closing alcohol

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Speaker 2: Morris, Well, I lived in California and you had big

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Speaker 2: billboards all up and down the road offering uber each

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Speaker 2: quite I thought that was quite interesting. Look, I would

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Speaker 2: so what I mean, I'm reasonably liberal on all these things,

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Speaker 2: and it's not the biggest I wouldn't thought it was

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Speaker 2: out now. I just think there's quite a lot of

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Speaker 2: harm from alcohol. Alcohol, in my views, like a toyota.

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Speaker 2: If you use it properly, it's good for you. You

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Speaker 1: No, No, fair enough, Hey listen, tell me Morris. We

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Speaker 1: Roe Cones is fair because it's only five percent of

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Speaker 1: the capital expenditure. Now you're on the board as five

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Speaker 2: I think that's a dreadful answer to say that that's

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Speaker 2: sixty three million, and I think it worked out. It's

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy one thousand a day. That is one

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy one thousand a day. Look, in the end,

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Speaker 2: we've tried, the Mayor's tried. He's really tried to say

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Speaker 2: a new policy state an on temper traffic management, which

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Speaker 2: if you had a commercial bone in your body, you'd

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Speaker 2: go straight to those big contracts you've got and say

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Speaker 2: to those people we'd like to renegotiate. Are going to

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Speaker 2: actually make it less onerous for you. So dropping how

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Speaker 2: the amount that we can save. You take fifty percent,

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Speaker 2: you could have drop back to the new risk based

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Speaker 2: system which was introduced by NZTA, which is the leader.

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Speaker 2: That's the government's one. We should be following the government.

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Speaker 2: We should be having all of the contracts new as

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Speaker 2: of now. Not I mean halfway through twenty twenty seven

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Speaker 2: the big contracts that are in place and say to

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Speaker 2: la jess. Out of this, you can get about three

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeap, fair enough. Do you like the idea of that, Alley.

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Speaker 3: you know, why do we keep spending this money? Why

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Speaker 3: within reason, it shouldn't be any different in government. But

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Speaker 3: infrastructure program to me encapsulates exactly what the problem is here.

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Speaker 3: This is like boiling a frog in hot water.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it.

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Speaker 3: Happens over years, over years, over years, and then you

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Speaker 2: Totally now Talli's Ali's absolutely correct. But let me tell

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Speaker 2: you one other thing is that it's not their money,

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Speaker 2: and that's what annoys me about it. You see, if

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Speaker 2: you'd take a totally different attitude to what you were doing.

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Speaker 2: And I was on the board of a private company

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Speaker 2: here in Auckland that was very successful, and everything was

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Speaker 2: about should we need to spend this money? Why are

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Speaker 2: It always has to be safety at reasonable cost, not

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Speaker 2: safety at any cost, because if you make at any cost,

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Speaker 2: you could turn the speed limit to five kilometers an

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Speaker 2: we'd be bankrupt within a week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah too. Right now, listen, Alie, can I just ask

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Speaker 1: you really quickly, do you have any theory as to

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Speaker 1: why it is that remarriages are down since the nineties.

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Speaker 1: You'll have it. You're a woman, you'll have a theory

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Speaker 1: on this marriage. So in the nineties, when when they

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Speaker 1: looked at the number of marriages happening across the country,

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Speaker 1: thirty three percent were people getting remarried, like you know,

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Speaker 1: the first marriage didn't work or the second and they

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Speaker 1: were on their third. Now it's only a quarter. And

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Speaker 1: my theory is is because as women we don't need

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Speaker 1: the men anymore, Like financially we're dependent so independent, so

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Speaker 1: we're tossing it up. We're going it's just too hard.

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Speaker 1: Had one. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right. Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I researched the documentary number of years ago called Married

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Speaker 3: Again and Again, and we found a woman who'd been

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Speaker 3: married eight times and she'd be married for two guys

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Speaker 3: twice than that.

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Speaker 2: So she was a cheam.

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Speaker 3: But not the reason you No, it wasn't who.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right, and I think the reason is

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Speaker 3: too that people have decided that they can live You

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Speaker 3: know much more frugally. That's that's how I feel. I'd

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Speaker 3: live in a bus if it meant that you didn't

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Speaker 3: have to marry again.

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Speaker 2: Okay, God of One of the lovely old sayings I

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Speaker 2: used to remember being said is that a woman who

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Speaker 2: remarries doesn't deserve to have lost her first husband.

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Speaker 1: Guys, it's lovely to chat to the pair of you. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: so many of us are getting in big trouble. Later on,

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